Recent Changes for "Bistro 33/Talk" - Davis Wikihttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/TalkRecent Changes of the page "Bistro 33/Talk" on Davis Wiki.en-us Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2013-04-25 00:20:45StevenDaubertFunny how you talk about someone IRL and later that day run into them on the wik <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 12: </td> <td> Line 12: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + Yeah that is what I though but the add said nothing of it so I figured that would be on top of what is being asked for the brand/cookbooks/equipment ~SD</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2013-04-24 19:05:03KevinWanindentured servitude? <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 10: </td> <td> Line 10: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + When you buy a business, you're usually buying the remaining years on the lease. It wouldn't be a wise investment purchasing a business that had no building. I also doubt you could purchase "the cooks, bakers, and staff"... I mean, I'm sure they'd love to keep their job, but they're probably free to work wherever they want. --kw</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2013-04-24 17:51:44StevenDaubertlive djs <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 9: </td> <td> Line 9: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> I honestly didn't think of LP when I was bandying over spots but it does totally fit the bill, I don't know why I didn't think of that. This is just the business for sale and not the lease. They do bread baking at LP and do make tons of food from scratch... ~SD </td> <td> <span>+</span> I honestly didn't think of LP when I was bandying over spots but it does totally fit the bill, I don't know why I didn't think of that. This is just the business for sale and not the lease. They do bread baking at LP and do make tons of food from scratch<span>&nbsp;and they have live DJ's</span>... ~SD </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2013-04-24 17:51:10StevenDaubertoh yeah <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 8: </td> <td> Line 8: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + I honestly didn't think of LP when I was bandying over spots but it does totally fit the bill, I don't know why I didn't think of that. This is just the business for sale and not the lease. They do bread baking at LP and do make tons of food from scratch... ~SD</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2013-04-24 13:11:00CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 7: </td> <td> Line 7: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Ah, I think hankim might be right. The emphasis on desserts suggests LP. <span>M</span>aybe the new owner(s) will nicer! --cp </td> <td> <span>+</span> Ah, I think hankim might be right. The emphasis on desserts suggests LP. <span>Plus I am not sure if B33 meals are from scratch; I am a little doubtful. If it is LP, m</span>aybe the new owner(s) will nicer! --cp </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2013-04-24 13:09:47CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + Ah, I think hankim might be right. The emphasis on desserts suggests LP. Maybe the new owner(s) will nicer! --cp</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2013-04-24 12:49:56hankimBetter word since it includes remodeling and such. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 5: </td> <td> Line 5: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Worked there last weekend, heard nothing about this. Also, don't think there are open mic nights and pretty sure the owner <span>paid</span> a lot more than a million dollars on the place. I think it sounds more like Little Prague, especially since they mentioned bakers. --["Users/hankim"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> Worked there last weekend, heard nothing about this. Also, don't think there are open mic nights and pretty sure the owner <span>spent</span> a lot more than a million dollars on the place. I think it sounds more like Little Prague, especially since they mentioned bakers. --["Users/hankim"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2013-04-24 12:47:51hankim <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 5: </td> <td> Line 5: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Worked there last weekend, heard nothing about this. Also, don't think there are open mic nights and pretty sure the owner paid a lot more than a million dollars on the place. I think it sounds more like Little Prague. --["Users/hankim"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> Worked there last weekend, heard nothing about this. Also, don't think there are open mic nights and pretty sure the owner paid a lot more than a million dollars on the place. I think it sounds more like Little Prague<span>, especially since they mentioned bakers</span>. --["Users/hankim"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2013-04-24 12:47:11hankim <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 4: </td> <td> Line 4: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + Worked there last weekend, heard nothing about this. Also, don't think there are open mic nights and pretty sure the owner paid a lot more than a million dollars on the place. I think it sounds more like Little Prague. --["Users/hankim"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2013-04-24 10:17:38StevenDaubertFor sale? <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- deleted</span> </td> <td> <span>+ This page is for discussing the contents of ["Bistro 33"].<br> + <br> + http://sacramento.craigslist.org/bfs/3746993229.html &lt;-- Hi DW, can you think of a restaurant downtown that fits this bill better than the beast? ["Daubert"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2011-05-20 12:13:28TomGarbersonPage deleted (Resolved... and helped the page out quite a bit :)) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- This page is for ["Talk Pages" discussing] the contents of ["Bistro 33"].<br> - <br> - == How to improve the page ==<br> - The page's main text is actually very very small considering the number of reviews people have written.<br> - <br> - == How to improve the reviews readability ==<br> - I'm moving most of the reviews to this page, so that it can be cleaned up. I think that some of it has gotten out of hand. The reviews should tell people what to expect at the restaurant - good or bad, and maybe encourage the restaurant to keep it up or improve. I'm wondering how long reviews should stay on the page, especially for a new restaurant that is working kinks out. Including a fights that occur in the restaurant could be taken as pro or con - either adding to the excitement of an evening out in Davis or thought to ruin the diner's experience.<br> - <br> - Some ideas:<br> - * There's a lot of reviews. Move ''well written'' ones to the top of each section (positive/negative).<br> - * group together some similar reviews ("bad drinks")/etc?<br> - * While clustering reviews by Pro/Mixed/Con is somewhat helpful, it makes it far more difficult to read just the most recent reviews. Being able to get an idea of whether a restaurant is improving or declining over time is important.<br> - * This makes sense. How do we improve the readability of so many comments in this case?<br> - * What about color coding negatives red, positives green, and leaving mixed reviews black or something? Makes it more difficult for the commenter unless some sort of macro is created that allows commenters to assign a positive or negative rating with a single click. Anyway, the color coding retains the historical timeline, allows the commenter to assign his/her own spin and still makes it easy for the reader to quickly differentiate between positive/negative reviews. --["Users/AlphaDog"]<br> - <br> - ------<br> - ''2006-02-01 22:02:26'' [[nbsp]] I am really confused as to why there's a menu rather than a link to one; maybe if one had prices... --["Users/JaimeRaba"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ deleted</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2008-09-07 13:40:45JasonAllerlink fixes, countdown on AlphaDog... 4 left <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 14: </td> <td> Line 14: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * What about color coding negatives red, positives green, and leaving mixed reviews black or something? Makes it more difficult for the commenter unless some sort of macro is created that allows commenters to assign a positive or negative rating with a single click. Anyway, the color coding retains the historical timeline, allows the commenter to assign his/her own spin and still makes it easy for the reader to quickly differentiate between positive/negative reviews. --["AlphaDog"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * What about color coding negatives red, positives green, and leaving mixed reviews black or something? Makes it more difficult for the commenter unless some sort of macro is created that allows commenters to assign a positive or negative rating with a single click. Anyway, the color coding retains the historical timeline, allows the commenter to assign his/her own spin and still makes it easy for the reader to quickly differentiate between positive/negative reviews. --["<span>Users/</span>AlphaDog"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2006-02-01 22:02:26'' [[nbsp]] I am really confused as to why there's a menu rather than a link to one; maybe if one had prices... --["JaimeRaba"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2006-02-01 22:02:26'' [[nbsp]] I am really confused as to why there's a menu rather than a link to one; maybe if one had prices... --["<span>Users/</span>JaimeRaba"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2008-08-25 11:23:31PhilipNeustromfixed it <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 18: </td> <td> Line 18: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - == Menu note ==<br> - <br> - Hello,<br> - <br> - My name is Roman Canepa and I am an Assistant Manager at Bistro 33 Davis. I was made aware by a customer that the link on our page on the Davis Wiki sends you to a pdf of our old menu. Or menu changed some months ago. Every so often this causes us problems with customers who are angry because they believe that they are being overcharged or angry because they are trying to order a menu item that we no longer carry. I would greatly appreciated if you could update these links. You can find the updated menus if you go to www.sro-inc.com and go to the Bistro 33 Davis link.<br> - <br> - Thank you,<br> - <br> - Roman Canepa<br> - Assistant Manager<br> - Bistro 33 Davis</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2008-08-24 21:31:00PhilipNeustrom <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 20: </td> <td> Line 20: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- {{{</span> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 30: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- }}}</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2008-08-24 21:30:36PhilipNeustromemail i got - pasted here b/c i'm busy right now - anyone wanan replace? <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 18: </td> <td> Line 18: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + == Menu note ==<br> + {{{<br> + Hello,<br> + <br> + My name is Roman Canepa and I am an Assistant Manager at Bistro 33 Davis. I was made aware by a customer that the link on our page on the Davis Wiki sends you to a pdf of our old menu. Or menu changed some months ago. Every so often this causes us problems with customers who are angry because they believe that they are being overcharged or angry because they are trying to order a menu item that we no longer carry. I would greatly appreciated if you could update these links. You can find the updated menus if you go to www.sro-inc.com and go to the Bistro 33 Davis link.<br> + <br> + Thank you,<br> + <br> + Roman Canepa<br> + Assistant Manager<br> + Bistro 33 Davis<br> + }}}</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2007-02-28 22:06:27CraigBrozinskyone more <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 15: </td> <td> Line 15: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + ------<br> + ''2006-02-01 22:02:26'' [[nbsp]] I am really confused as to why there's a menu rather than a link to one; maybe if one had prices... --["JaimeRaba"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2007-02-28 21:09:21CraigBrozinskyremoved info that's now found elsewhere <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 15: </td> <td> Line 15: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - == Pro reviews ==<br> - <br> - I was taken to this restaurant today by my coworkers (it's my birthday). I had a delicious vegetable gratin (no stinting with the butter HERE). A friend had the crabcakes, another friend had the blue cheese salad. We were all very happy. It was cool enough to sit outside and the outdoor pavilion area is really nice, spacious, lively. It felt like being in the south of France, bulldozers and everything. Good prices too. Lucky we got there when we did; it filled up at lunch, both indoors and out. Looks like a grownup bar, though we didn't try it. -["AlisonKent"]<br> - <br> - -------<br> - ''2005-09-04 12:27:35'' [[nbsp]] I tried this place on friday night and loved it. Its just what Davis needed. I'm tired of the boring scene and a nice outdoor restaurant with a trendy bar is so refreshing. God, I miss living in a big city. I tried the puget sound and it was great. My martini's were also well made although a little pricey ($5.50) Of course this place still has its cons: A little overpriced for Davis and the service needs improvement. I for one am looking forward to going here a lot more in the fall --["KarthikRam"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-09-16 20:35:41'' This place is amazing. In good and bad ways. I finally had a chance to check it out, and wow! It's huge and is very ambitious. They seem to have relatively few bartenders per capita, and I think this causes quite a few of the problems described above. I also hear that their bouncers are from a private security firm in Sacramento, but my source was a guy in line, waiting to get in last night. I was expecting a much gaudier interior based on some of the descriptions above, but I'd say it worked overall. It's similar to other nice restaurants in Davis. And not to too much dull the impact of the comment immediately above this one, but sometimes one employee at a certain place can cause problems-- but this is pretty typical of any place with alcohol involved, especially among people overwhelmed by a crowd. Oh well. I think it adds something to Davis that is quite positive, and will only get better as its staff become more attuned to their jobs. Plus, judging it now is a little premature, as it obviously won't be THAT slammed with people once it stops being "the new place in town." Oh, and the food till midnight (W-Sat) is a big plus! --["JaimeRaba"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-09-06 03:54:24'' [[nbsp]] I work here, so my opinions are pretty biased. Service wise I think we improve every day as we get used to the space we have and how best to utilize it. I think generally the staff and service is great although I can admit it can have weak links (as with anything else). Ask to be seated in my section and I'll take care of you. My recommendations from what I've eaten: Shrimp Cigars, Pancetta Prawns, Uncle Bum's Jerked Ribs (GREAT for a carnivore), Any salad with Citrus Shallot Dressing, Kung Pau Schrimp Pizza, Any Panini, Fettucini with Seared Prawns (the Memou sauce sounds simple but was the most surprisingly delicious, what kick!), Bistro Meatloaf, Sage &amp; Prosciutto Roasted Chicken, Espresso Pate, Daily Gelato, and lastly Smiley Fries (they are really oddly amazing) --["AlvinTsao"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-09-28 09:38:13'' [[nbsp]] Not sure what everyone is complaining about. My girlfriend and I visited yesterday for my birthday and had a great time. I will say the service was a little slow, but they were not rude and were apologetic when we had to ask 3 times for bread after it was offered. I&amp;#8217;m sure this is due to the fact they have been open for just over a month and will improve with time. We both eat and drank for less than $80 (including 15% tip) and when we usually go out to celebrate its more like $150. We shared the fries as a starter and had the crispy polenta and meatloaf(lamb and pork sausage; no beef) Everything tasted great. We had 4 glasses of wine and one beer. I didn&amp;#8217;t think the drinks were overpriced; $4.50 for a microbrew on tap, not bad. When I go out to eat my expectations of the food quality are pretty high. I get really upset if I have to pay for something that I could have made better at home. We will defiantly be back a few more time before we grow tired of the same options. --["AjBerge"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-10-01 01:22:19'' [[nbsp]] Enjoyable Californian Cuisine. I have visited Bistro 33 twice. The first time I visited was actually on their test run a couple days before their real opening. On that day I came with two girlfriends and our 3 kids. The servers were nice, though extremely busy with an influx of customers that I don't think they were expecting. I ordered a wood-fired pizza and a glass of Zinfandel. One of my girlfriends ordered the steak sandwich which they ate with gusto. Our kids had chicken tenders, fries, etc. I found the experience fun and enjoyable. The staff was also quite nice to our kids (this doesn't always happen at fine restuarants.) The second time we visited was with my husband and daughter. I had a delicious house salad and crabcakes. My husband enjoyed the french onion soup and cesar salad. As far as what they need to improve on: I would recommend a seasonal menu or at least a different menu for lunch and dinner. I also thought *some* of the food prices were high. It was $12.95 for two small crabcakes. --["SherryOneal"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-10-02 14:17:33'' [[nbsp]] Had lunch with my girlfriend today at about noon. There were a few too many servers standing around in the corner, but our server (Hollie) was great! I was a little worried coming in, due to some reviews above. It may possibly have been we beat most the lunch crowd. It didn't start filling up until 1ish, when we were leaving. We got the Kennebec Fries, two sandwiches (Puget Sound and the Gorge), and Creme Brulee as a desert - the food was great! Sandwiches were a little smaller then I'd hope for, but with the fries and desert we were full for only about $30. I was surprised that they didn't have a desert menu printed yet.<br> - <br> - * ''2005-10-03 12:51:32'' [[nbsp]] I was probably one of the servers standing around. The time before you get sat is awful because you just sit there feeling useless, there's always food to be delivered but there's only so much food until we get a full house. Hollie IS great. I'm not sure if dessert menus are ever going to be printed to be honest with you. Some of the servers prefer we didn't, some prefer that we do, it's really management's call. Three of our eight desserts change on a near daily basis, so maybe that's why we haven't printed them. Glad to see a greater # of positive reviews now. Just at an employee level I think we've let some loose ends go and have worked out some (but not all) of our kinks. If you want a quiet dinner on a weekend though, I'm not sure if that's possible unless you sit outside on the patio, after around nine we start the metamorphic process of turning into a loud, college bar. The weekend patio/indoor people alway seem happiest. --["AlvinTsao"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-11-17 08:37:15'' The waiter was nice when he found out it was my birthday (from my license). Gave us a free chocolate pate desert, lil candle and all, it was yummy. --["EdwinSaada"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-10-18 22:44:24'' [[nbsp]] I work at another restaurant, and I find the service pretty good. I usually sit at the bar. The food is excellent in my opinion. I like the burger and the paninis, and good clam chowder as well. As for service issues, any new place will have them. Give it a couple months before judging.<br> - <br> - One thing that struck me as odd--a friend and I sat at the bar the very first night Bistro was open and weren't carded. We are both 25, and certainly look close enough to card. In fact I haven't ever been carded in the half dozen or so times I've been there. Alvin, it may be too late if what I hear is true, but tell your mgmt to crack down on checking IDs!!! The ABC has very little tolerance for lazy ID checking. --["JeffSpeckles"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2006-01-19 19:45:03'' [[nbsp]] I was recently in Bistro33 Davis and I have to say that your manager Dave was awesome! He knows what he's doing and made our simple lunch a great experience. The food was not bad, so I'd say if we came back it would only be because of the service Dave showed us. He is an asset to the restaurant and would be to any restaurant! --["TeriJones"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2006-05-12 17:46:22'' [[nbsp]] No place is perfect, but this restaurant is as good as it gets in Davis, imho, the right blend of quality of food, ambiance, presentation, location, and price. I've gone there for dinner about a half-dozen times and each time I'm glad I chose that over some of the other choices in Davis. If I were to design a restaurant it would end up being just like this. The only thing I would change is some of the outside decor and furniture. --["HughToppe"]<br> - <br> - == Mixed ==<br> - <br> - ''2005-09-08 16:30:00'' [[nbsp]] I went to Bistro 33 last Thursday. We were told there would be a 25 minute wait (which turned out to be 100% accurate) before getting our table, so we sat at the rather ample bar. First off, the decor in this place attempts to be ultra modern, but ends up being a bit tedious. The fire columns surrounding the bar are superfluous, but fun to watch. Bar service was prompt and friendly despite how busy it was. Full Sail Pale Ale and Rogue Dead Guy Ale on tap are always welcome by belly, taboot. I didn't order any mixed drinks, so I can't comment on that. After exactly 25 minutes (really!) we were seated outside, thankfully. Inside it seemed hectic and boisterous, but outside the tables were sparsely placed and the atmosphere was more calm. Service was sufficient to keep me happy, but the beer and wine helped with that as well. : ) I believe we ended up getting 3 bread baskets, and there weren't any funny looks from the waitstaff as a result. I can't stand when there's any reticence on a waiter's part when you order extra bread. What is it for, decoration? Anyway, I ordered the Nicoise salmon salad, which I enjoyed thoroughly. The salmon was perfectly cooked and rather moist. The girl I was eating with ordered the meatloaf. I will admit, I've never liked meatloaf, but this was pretty damn tasty, very tender and well spiced. I don't think it was all beef. Some moist mystery meat (pork?) was likely used a filler. We ordered desert, but I don't remember eating it, so no comment. Overall, this place has its issues, but that is to be expected with a new restaurant that is often inundated with people. I will most certainly go back, and will try again to sit outside. Recommended, but YMMV...--["MarcRehfuss"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-09-08 21:21:58'' [[nbsp]] I agree with other commentators that the service sucks. With that many people running around why didn't we get water within 5 mins of sitting down? Why did our appetizer arrive after the salads? I enjoyed the peach catsup with the fries as an appetizer. Also enjoyed the "Puget Sound" panini, although this is not a diet dish (very heavy on the creamy cheese). I would try this restaurant again although I think it would be better to sit outside. --["SamanthaGrant"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-10-02 15:14:11'' [[nbsp]] I went there yesterday with my dad and sister. I thought the food was good but it was overpriced. I thought that I would get my money worth, but I didnt. I paid 19 dollars for the salmon dish and it was small. I'll give Bistro another try if I go there again. --["SimonFung"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2006-01-13 14:53:18'' [[nbsp]] I think they have the best burger in town, but the rest of the food is hit and miss and the service is never what you could call good. The bar is surprisingly clueless: they serve Guinness in an iced glass and don't know that you're supposed to garnish a gin &amp; tonic with a lime. --["ToNils"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2006-01-13 14:53:18'' [[nbsp]] I think they have the best burger in town, but the rest of the food is hit and miss and the service is never what you could call good. The bar is surprisingly clueless: they serve Guinness in an iced glass and don't know that you're supposed to garnish a gin &amp; tonic with a lime. --["ToNils"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-10-16 12:11:12'' [[nbsp]] their drinks are heavily watered down during bar nights, but the guys are hott. I WISH the waitress had spit in our soup...would've made it less salty, at least. --["ApolloStumpy"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-12-29 09:19:50'' [[nbsp]] I visited a server friend of mine at Bistro 33 the other night. I see what people mean about trendy atmosphere, but it wasn't you know, a 5 star restaurant or anything. I sat at the bar and drank a martini, which was pretty good. The bartender was nice and not too attentive (yet still attentive enough). I chatted it up with a girl next to me. She said she liked to come to the bar at Bistro 33 because the people were a bit more professional than the other establishments around Davis. The only food I ordered was fries. I agree with whoever said they were just like In-n-Out fries. I was a tiny-bit disappointed at how fast they came considering they were just damned fries. But, they were decently tasty, and they came with blue-cheese, vinegar and house sauce to dip them in, which was pretty grand. --["SaulSugarman"]<br> - * Do you mean they came too fast, or that they didn't come quickly enough? Your comment is unclear... --["DomenicSantangelo"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-12-25 15:54:28'' [[nbsp]] The Bistro Clam chowder was flavorful and outperformed the Clear Clam Chowder, which had a hearty celery and vegetable flavor but no detectable seafood flavor. The fries were dead-ringers for thin ["In-N-Out"] fries. They went well with the blue cheese dressing, but were overpowered by the malt vinegar and overshadowed by the peach ketchup. The crab and artichoke dip was generous on the crab, and worth the cost. The Crispy Polenta really hit the spot, and offered a combination of savory mushrooms, bitter greens, fontina cheese, and a great crunch. Finally, the creme brulee was well made and enjoyed by the rest of my party, but I enjoyed the cobbler more. I've eaten dinner here three times, and there's been a problem with the service every single time. They've brough out the entrees at different times, brought entrees we didn't even order, brought our appetizers after our entrees, and brought the fries without the side dips. --["CraigBrozinsky"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2006-4-30'' [[nbsp]] I went a few weeks ago with my mother who wanted to sample some Davis cuisine. It took quite a while to be seated but once in the seating area we were served very quickly. Unfortunatly the music was really loud, and the screens were playing sports which was pretty distracting. After mixing up our order with someone elses, we were finally served our meals. The food was great!! Which made up for the rest of the problems. However, the food was a little pricey for how much you got, and it took about 20 minutes for the waiter to get back to us with our check. (i think he took a break) I'd go there again, to see if maybe the service has improved, before writing off this restaurant. -- ["SydneySwartz"]<br> - <br> - == Con Reviews ==<br> - <br> - ''Crappy, rude service.'' They sat 7 of us at a booth that really only fit 6. When we asked for an extra chair, was was really confused at to why the manager gave us hard time and was rude, and furthermore walks around with a pissy look on his face and has no interpersonal skills. Food was decent, when and if we got it. Everyone's food came to the table at different times. They forgot to bring us drinks, and the drinks that were served to us were the wrong ones. The restaurant is so "Chic" it is gaudy, including sparly tiles, stupid looking tapestries on the ceiling, and silly flames behind the bar. Shame they did this to a historic building, it should have been renovated in a more conservative manner-I'm surprised the historical society permitted it. I would definitely not recommend going there, at least until they stop acting like they are doing YOU a big favor.--["StevenJinks"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-09-12 14:37:45'' [[nbsp]] Our waitress was incredibly spacey and ditzy (perhaps she was new?), forgetting to bring us things like more water or ketchup, and screwing up one of our partys' orders. I ordered the coconut prawns, which were pretty tasty, but not at $2 a freaking prawn. The dish was just under $10 and I got five prawns, which left me hungry and angry. Drinks were also quite expensive, but no more so than other fancy establishments (i.e. Cheesecake Factory, Outback, etc). I probably wouldn't go here again unless someone else were paying. --["MargieHalloran"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-09-16 17:10:02'' [[nbsp]] Saturday Night... stopped off for a drink and to sample Davis' new addition... heralded as "classy"; I have nothing to say but trashy. I was rudely yelled at by the bar tender, only to hear from the crowd next to me that he had been acting like an "ass" all night... as if the three feet separating us had somehow been transformed into the grand canyon... did I hear him correctly...? I think the "bistro" had gone to his head... when I answered back equally as loud he threatened me with having me thrown out... this is davis, not LA... and the secret service bouncers outside needed to report back to the white house... this UC Davis, not USC. I stayed long enough to stiff him and fight through the mass of underage drinkers. I'm all for a new bar/restaurant downtown... but no one appreciates an overpriced "ass". --["AustinMerrill"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-09-18 19:17:07'' [[nbsp]] If you want wood-oven, gourmet pizza, this is ''not'' the place to go. My friends and I ordered three types of pizza: BBQ chicken, mushroom, and pepperoni/sausage. Aside from the pizzas' quality (sparse and mediocre toppings) and quantity (only eight inches) being incommensurate with the price ($9.95), the service was inattentive. If only Davis had an [http://www.ilvicino.com/ilvicino/index.asp Il Vicino]! --["ZacharyNorwood"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-09-22 00:53:42'' [[nbsp]] I've gone to Bistro 33 twice. The 1st time was for lunch and the food was overpriced and some food was disagreeable. I agree with the previous review regarding their 2 chowders and their service was slow but reasonable. I gave them a 2nd chance for a snack at 11 PM. Although the kitchen is open till midnight, the bouncers were out in force and were rude and demanded ID. I know that's their job but I told them off the bat that I only wanted dinner but they demanded ID regardless during their power trip. After dealing with the asses at the gate, I stood at the hostess station but didn't see a greeter and left soon afterward. I wouldn't mind if the service was like this at a club but if the restaurant's kitchen is still open, I expect to be treated as a customer who simply wants food. I was insulted to be treated like a criminal by the bouncers and ignored by the staff. I'm never going back. --["LiRic"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-10-02 10:54:57'' [[nbsp]] The food was pretty good, but there was hardly enough of it. My entree was a grand total of FIVE ravioli. Five! So my boyfriend and I actually ended up getting three entrees, and we were still hungry afterwards. The atmosphere was so-so. If you want a nice night out, go to Soga's or the Mustard Seed. They have better food, more food, and a nicer atmosphere. --["AndreaStewart"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-10-16 18:04:39'' [[nbsp]] ''Decent food, but not always worth the price.'' I went to Bistro 33 for my first time at lunch today. I ordered the crab cakes and the Puget Sound panini. Both were delicious. However, the prices leave something to be desired. The panini wasn't too expensive for what I got, but the crab cakes? I ordered them to split with another person. At $12.95, we figured we'd get a decent amount of crab cakes and we got two. TWO. The crab cakes were good, but not worth over $6 per cake. Service was so-so. Our server was absent for long periods of time and sometimes missed things we'd ask for, but not too horrible. --["RachelPeters"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-10-18'' [[nbsp]] I wrote a comment about how one of the waitresses was rude to a group of my frineds who happened to be leaving when I arrived one evening. My friends got their food paid for that night. On another occasion, I was assigned to the same woman's section, and she told me she had spit in our food. I notice that my discussion of this event is missing from this page, possibly because I did not list my name. Because there are several other comments by people who do not use their name, I kindly request that this note be left up, as it discusses the restaurant and is relevant. Unfortunately, none of the comments on this site can be verified, or shown to be untrue. But if we are to leave one up, we should leave them all. --["DisgustedDiner"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-12-05 19:13:50'' [[nbsp]] I had the Pudget Sound panini and it was devoid of any vegetables and that made the sandwich taste starchy, so I put the side salad on top of it. Overall, better sandwiches at Delta or the Nugget for a fraction of the price. As for the atmosphere, it's bleh to me, but I'm not into the cute-dressing-up-ness. Also, the outside decor reminded me of SF's Holocaust Memorial, not to relate the two at such a shallow level. --["ShayneErw"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-12-12 12:56:19'' [[nbsp]] Very Bad service, not very good food... The food was partialy OK mostly not good (for example the onion soup or the mushroom reviouly) the pizza got to the table cold and was heated in the microwave in 10 second. The wine was opened served into a dirty glass then pour to everyone without even the option to taste (she actually move the wine from the lipstick makred glass to a different one and left it to us !!!) and then the kids menu came with chicken fingers with 3 smily fies and then when we asked for addition (3!!, who's child will have enough) we were charged for it. The hair in the creme broule was a simbolic ending for a place that doesn't worth it, and defintly doesn't worth 30 mintues wait for a table --["GilCo"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-12-12 18:02:09'' [[nbsp]] I wonder if the management of Bistro 33 reads this page? Most of these problems would be SO easy to fix, and customers would be much happier. So much potential at this very nice location with a pleasant (although perhaps slightly overpriced) menu. I also one time, ordered a menu item that was completely innacurate in its description. Just little stupid things like that need to be overcome, if they're going to be as excellent as they potentially could be. --["JaimeRaba"]<br> - * I know for a fact that the management does read this page on occassion. Regarding the error on our menu, if you could be more specific, I could look into it. However, I do know that we have re-printed our menus once already (within the first month if I can remember accurately) to make them more accurate, but perhaps that needs to be done again? Also, I don't know if it's directly because of this page, but we've made a few changed to how we serve our customers, and other minor changes like printing out dessert/children's menus. Even if it may not seem like it always to the customers, we're constantly learning how to better serve our customers, and from my perspective it seems as though for the large part, we're succeeding (of course not always, mistakes are unfortunately human). Bistro doesn't have a microwave on its premises. --["AlvinTsao"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-12-18 22:01:50'' [[nbsp]] The bouncers here are complete assholes. They make the guests feel unwelcome. --["HenWeigh"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-12-19 08:37:34'' [[nbsp]] I was a little disappointed by the quality of the service, the salted cheesecake, the fries and the artichoke dip. None of them were high quality. --["JackHaskel"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-12-19 13:53:15'' [[nbsp]] went there Friday 12/16- will probably never go again. When we came in at 5:30 we were told it would be a 30 min wait, it ended up being 50 mins. The hostess apologized and was really friendly though. Then we were seated in a booth but we had 6 people ( 4 adults+2 kids). Because the bar is too close to the boothes, we kept getting elbowed by everyone who would walk by...We were given kids menus but the server didn't give the kids the drinks and fries that were supposed to come with the meal-we asked and she had to look at the menu to make sure that they were really supposed to get drinks but said the fries were a typo and they hadn't taken it off the menus yet. She gave us the fries anyway. For the money one pays, this is definitly not worth it. It was way too loud, cramped, and overpriced. Just not worth it overall. --["MyaBrn"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2006-04-30 13:39:02'' [[nbsp]] The girl who seated us seemed like Bistro was the last place she wanted to be, and I saw why. The waitress asked my friend and I whether anyone had taken care of us and she did, but then a different waitress brought the food out to us. After she took our orders, she forgot to remove the menus. The same one spilled glasses of Bloody Mary's on the patrons behind us, and she went around asking who had ordered the vegetable frittata. A waiter placed s&amp;p shakers on all the tables while we waited for our food (they should've been there when we sat down). The Northwest Scramble was tasty and very filling, but was not at all seasoned. I asked for some butter and the waitress who brought the food out (a blonde with a long ponytail) replied, "It's already on the bread." WOW. If I want more butter, gimme more butter, dammit! I wonder what she would've said if I'd asked for jam. My friend was impressed that they even had sourdough bread. The potatoes were very bland. At least our water glasses were topped off when they emptied, but if that goes to show how long we had to wait for the food. Considering how much we paid and that it's a "bistro", I would've expected much better service. Brunch would've been a total disaster if I didn't have good company. --["JennaChan"]<br> - <br> - <br> - [[Comments(Opinions and Reviews)]]<br> - <br> - --&gt;[[Include(IntegrateComments)]]&lt;--<br> - ------<br> - ''2005-09-25 00:43:52'' [[nbsp]] So I heard that one of the investors got tazered and the manager got fired because of an incident last week. Apparently the investor's bimbo girlfriend got upset when the investor was talking to anthoer girl, and broke a candle over his head. Someone called the cops, who showed up and tried to break up the fight. The investor got all up in the cop's faces, and tried to put one of the cops in a headlock. The investor was arrested, and put in the back of the cop car, at which point, the bimbo he was with, went around to the other side of the cop car and let him out and he started running down the street. The cops the tazered him and took him to jail. The next day, the cops met with the manager, who came to the meeting drunk. The cops said, ok, fine we'll just take your liquor liscence. And Bistro 33 fired the manager as recompense for the incident. --["ArlenAbraham"]<br> - * OK. Can we please keep comments that aren't about food or service off this page? Or at least place create a page for it elsewhere? This was such an exaggeration based on a shred of truth. Negative comments are valid, but libel/slander is not. I think it'd be bad form for me to make these changes, but if one of our great wiki gnomes could either start a page up for these rumors or just delete it like the comment people had problems with before I would be much obliged. I'm a server now, come sit in my section and I'll make sure everything runs smoothly for you. --["AlvinTsao"]<br> - * So, what actually happened? --["EdwinSaada"]<br> - * I promise to tell all that I know as soon as we can get another page to put it in, kind of like what the wiki community did for the Sigma Chi page. I don't care if there are negative comments on this page regarding food/service, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if there's another place to address rumors that'd be great. I also think this is true of the Sam's Mediterranean page. Unless there's hard proof and it concerns the actual dining experience it should go somewhere else. --["AlvinTsao"]<br> - * I heard it from a reliable source, and I'm going to stand by my hilarious story. You said ''"This was such an exaggeration based on a shred of truth."'' Do you know what actually happend? I've heard the same story from two reliable sources. - ["arlenabraham" arlen]<br> - ------<br> - ''2005-11-20 21:40:23'' [[nbsp]] So I just came back from this restaurant. Note that I only had about 75 dollars in my bank account at the time, so every penny means the world to me. But I went to this restaurant for a one year anniversary. The food was alright, and the service was nice. But when I came back home to check my available balance, I found out that I was overcharged. What the hell!!! So I thought I tipped quite generously, but I was ripped off of a very precious 2 dollars. 2 dollars could have paid for a very cheap meal the next day, but oh no... this restaurant took away the money I needed for survival. I am not returning ever again. It's only two dollars, but it's the principle of it all. --["KimYee"]<br> - * Check again in 3 days. That's a standard credit-card procedure with many restaurants, you'll only notice if you check online. A lot of places run the bill + 20% or something like that through the machine when they first scan it just to make sure it will go through (not be denied). They then later run the right amount and the charge is removed. Usually takes a couple business days before it finalizes for online statements. --["EdwinSaada"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2005-12-19 09:01:18'' [[nbsp]] I still have yet to go to this place to eat, but I have a friend who works as a server there. She says that when Bistro opened, a lot of the servers were green (did not have like, much to any experience serving) and that is what resulted in "a lot of bad reviews on the Davis Wiki." She's not a wikiholic, so I guess someone is talking about the fact that so many Davis residents are displeased with the quality of the service. I also heard (and right now, this is just a rumor until someone confirms it) that someone injured themselves very badly on the concrete patio on a bar night; effectively killing Bistro as a happening bar spot in Davis. --["SaulSugarman"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-01-20 00:52:31'' [[nbsp]] I was there tonight and I thought it was a nice experience. My only gripe was that the waitress was a bit slow. The first thing I noticed on the menu was how the prices seemed to form a gaussian around $9, which is a reasonable price for a dinner meal. I wonder what people would consider to be a good price for, say, a "Butternut Squash and Green Apple Soup"? I'm guessing some people want fancy food on the same pricing scheme as a Wendy's dollar menu. To which, I say, "Okay, there's a Wendy's on W. Cowell St. See ya." --["JesseSingh"]<br> - * Food cost at a restaurant is usually 25-30% of the menu price. A "serving" is 8 oz of soup. Math: If a butternut costs $2 ($0.89-1.19/lb), green apples cost $1/ea and you use three of them, and chicken broth costs $2/qt, then ingredient cost for 8 servings = $(2+3+2+2), or $1.13/serving--if you ignore the volume contributed by the squash and apples. $9 worth of ingredients probably yields at least 12 servings, at $0.75 each. Soup should be on the menu for $5 at most, but does go on the dollar menu for base costs. I've never eaten at Bistro 33 so this formula is pure speculation, but I hope my point is clear. --["JudithTruman"]<br> - * I can see the point you're trying to make, but I think your formula is waaay oversimplified. It completely fails to take into account numerous other important factors of eating in a restaurant. You aren't just paying for the meal when you sit down in a restaurant, you're paying a small part of the employees' salaries, the power bill, the water bill, the probably enormous property taxes, the general ambience, etc. And , of course, they're not selling food at cost, they're making a little profit as well. All those things add to the price. So I still don't know what people expect to pay at Bistro 33, except I do know that I showed up there on a Thursday night, and the place was packed. --["JesseSingh"]<br> - * I've responded to this site as an employee of Bistro 33, but I'm replying to this post as just another guy. As someone who really likes to cook, I know how expensive making certain things (like Cioppino for instance) can be. Now I'm sure our butternut/apple soup is no where as expensive as cioppino but there are a lot of ingredients that I can guess (I don't know for sure at this moment) that's in our soup (onions, creme fraiche, etc) that you aren't accounting for. I've made a lot of dinners for my friends where the final bill was 30-40 bucks more than I expected because of the more "insignificant" ingredients. But of course not all of it is based on the food itself as Singh pointed out. Besides..Bistro making a profit keeps me working.<br> - --["AlvinTsao"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-02-01 22:02:26'' [[nbsp]] I am really confused as to why there's a menu rather than a link to one; maybe if one had prices... --["JaimeRaba"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-02-03 03:59:59'' [[nbsp]] I'm continually amused at people's restaurant reviews where the author begins by saying something to the effect of: "The food was pricey." Guess what, you're eating at a restaurant. They can charge whatever they want. I've eaten at plenty of "pricey" restaurants, and surprise-surprise, the food usually isn't as shitty as what you would find in a 'cheap' place, like a Burger King or some other dump. Judith: I'd like to try some of the drugs you're on, because I'd have a blast oversimplifying how much to charge patrons for a cup of soup. --["JohnNapier"]<br> - * I've attended lectures/taken exams on food costing, the formulaic approach to determining menu prices for restaurants. My medications have nothing to do with this discourse. If you'd like to borrow my rose-colored glasses, that's a different story. --["JudithTruman" JT]<br> - <br> - I will dampen your blast, John, with an explanation:<br> - <br> - Food Costing begins with a few facts about wholesale prices of each raw ingredient, and then calculates the cost of the prepared product. Each food item on the inventory list has a waste% so that restaurants can order enough raw product to cover their prepared product needs. Five pounds of raw potatoes will not yield five pounds of peeled potatoes, so if you need 5lbs peeled potatoes, you've got to order 6-7 lbs potatoes, depending on potato size. Things like fluid milk or dry pasta have no waste associated with their use for inventory purposes. Restaurants aim for Cost of Food to be 25-30% of the menu price, modified to account for regional norms and to eliminate numbers that look way-off-scale compared to the rest of the menu. For example, if oranges cost $X/lb, and yield Y oz/juice per pound of oranges, then the juice costs $X per Y oz, and will be on the menu for 3-4 times that price, which may be more than a customer would expect to pay for a glass of orange juice. At that point, a restaurant may decide that frozen oj from concentrate is good enough, and will keep costs down. Other fruit juices on the menu would probably be listed at the same price as the orange juice. If grape costs $1, people might pay $3 for orange, but probably not be willing to pay $14 for fresh pineapple juice. As Jesse said above, the other 65-70% of the cost is for labor wages, overhead (rent/utilities), depreciation of equipment, taxes, furniture/decorations (pretty stuff costs more), and other business expenses, plus profit. I understand that the restaurant industry considers 5% net profit to be very good. --["JudithTruman" JT]<br> - <br> - * Thanks for the explanation on food costing, Judith, and I apologize for sounding like an asshole in my previous post. The truth is, I'm something of an asshole offline, so don't take it personally. Certainly, costing is a convoluted process that involves many inputs and considerations of alternatives, but determining how much you are actually able to get out of the consumer is entirely up to the market, as far as I'm concerned. Restaurants are able to stay in business by pricing their inventory and service with the market. When the market demand is high, you ask for the moon, like everyone else. Why? Because you have constraints like a limited amount of seating, service times, costs associated with serving patrons, etc., etc. Why charge lower prices than necessary when the business is going gangbusters and you have a large number of patrons flocking to the restaurant? Especially when your business is relatively new and popular, like the case with the Bistro. Charging high enough prices to skim off demand that is willing to pay those prices (enough only such that your business is still slightly below capacity) is a shrewd business move, so long as the patrons come back and encourage more business. If Bistro is doing that, successfully, then good for them. --["JohnNapier"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-02-03 06:34:47'' [[nbsp]] are you a retard? People complain when food is pricey and isn't good enough to match the price. --["ApolloStumpy"]<br> - * Who is this directed at? --["JudithTruman" JT]<br> - * Cute little smartass insult, Apollo. How exactly do you determine if the quality is matching the price? It's a popular restaurant, so certainly some people think it is worth the price, despite your opinion. How do you know what the price 'should' hypothetically be, anyway? Are you a respected professional restaurant reviewer, labor union foreman, property appraiser, accounting consultant, and food costing specialist, all rolled into one? Newsflash: things like 'good' and 'tastes good' are subjective bullshit opinions that are as often agreed upon as disagreed upon. Furthermore, eating in a quasi-good restaurant is routinely more expensive than making your own food, unless you live in a region (i.e. Manhattan) with a limited number of accessable bulk-priced grocery stores or all you eat is shit in McDonalds. So, your fantasy of what the price 'should be' is likely diluted with what you know about the actual cost of the ingredients involved in concocting a similar meal. But, I guess I'll go back to trying to bite my own ear now, because I'm retarded. --["JohnNapier"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-02-06 12:51:01'' [[nbsp]] After reading all of the above, I had the opportunity to check this place out for myself. On a Saturday night, the wait time was about 40 minutes. We managed to get a spot at a bar table quickly and were able to order food from there. We ordered the fries appetizer, I had a steak sandwich, and my companions tried the meatloaf and the fettucini with seared prawns. The wait staff was friendly, as was our waiter. The appetizer arrived at the same time as our dinner, which was odd, and somewhat disappointing. But the fries were very good -- they looked like in-and-out fries, but tasted much better. The ranch/blue cheese dip for them was particularily good. My steak sandwich was excellent, although it came with shoestring potatos that were so skinny it was like trying to eat a bunch of toothpicks. They were tasty, but it took way too much effort to gather all of them up in a manageable way. My companions said the meatloaf and fettucini were both excellent. Overall, dinner cost about $55 for the three of us (after tax/tip), and that's drinking mostly water. A tad on the pricy side for the size of the portions you get, but the food was very good. I would go back. --["AlexPomeranz"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-02-06 16:19:45'' [[nbsp]] I've been here several times and always liked it, but about 3 weeks ago we had a pretty crappy experience. Went there for some drinks and appetizers, everything was fine (though I do not recommend the black raspberry cooler, tasted horrible imo, but hey, it happens when you order randomly). But some server walking by dropped a cup, and the contents splashed over two of our party members. It wasn't much, but him and someone else scurried over with napkins, and kept saying "its not much" or "not too bad, sorry". It did take them a few minutes to wipe clean her jacket from the chair, and her back as well. Our friend next to her got splashed as well but he wasn't lucky enough to get a wipe down. I understand accidents happen, but I thought it was pretty lame they just tried to hide/clean it up asap with napkins and downplay it. I was hoping he'd comp us some drinks or an appetizer to make up for it. But I didn't want to make a big deal out of it and kill the group mood. --["EdwinSaada"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-02-08 23:18:28'' [[nbsp]] Happy Hour? How about Sour Hour? After debating the merits of every bar's Happy Hour, my friends and I decided to try Bistro's because it seemed like a fairly good deal for the environment. Needless to say, it was NOT Happy Hour although we got there circa 5:20PM and Wiki says that Bistro's Happy Hour ends at 6PM. The drinks were full priced and horrible. Three drinks were ordered: A Cran/Vodka, a Seabreeze and a Bloody Mary. The Cran/Vodka was watered down, the Seabreeze was made incorrectly and the Bloody Mary was HORRIBLE--too much celery flavor and pepper. The bartender was not at all friendly and didn't ask how the Bloody Mary should be made. Granted, I could have said a few modifications however I was curious to see what the "standard" BM would be at Bistro. Along with a celery stalk, I was given an olive and a wedge of lime. The lime was old and the skin was brown--ewww! Overall, presentation was too much. So much for Bistro! =( --["KarlaFung"] How did they make the Seabreeze wrong, out of curiosity?<br> - --Well, I didn't taste it, but my friend who got it said that they mixed up the juice. Maybe he thought "Bay Breeze"? Either way, 3 people were quite unhappy with drinks that they usually get.<br> - <br> - Went here for Valentine's recently. Decor is comfortable and nice, and atomsphere is very chill. There are some big flat panel tvs near the bar for sports, but a quieter atmoshphere for couples and the like is available in the front courtyard and the rear of the restaurant. Service is good with little wait time for reservations (we were 10 minutes late for ours). We ordered the bleu cheese/vinegar/peach ketchup fries for appetizer, roasted salmon and mushroom ravioli for entree, and cheesecake for dessert. All of them tasted pretty good, although the portions were quite small for the price (except the cheesecake, which was probably enough for 3 people). Cost a total of 50 bucks. Good for any occasion, if you have the money to spare. --["ArnoldLau"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-03-05 08:14:32'' [[nbsp]] Excellent service; my brother-in-law phone-ordered a gift certificate for us for Christmas. A staff member was concerned that the mail would be too slow, so he hand-delivered the gift certificate to our house. Staff members are always friendly and some have even remembered our previous orders. --["JenThornton"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-03-15 21:24:30'' [[nbsp]] Pancetta prawns is the best. I liked the burger as well. The place looks really nice but the food isn't that great and is overpriced. For breakfast I reccomend the waffle or french toast byt not the crab omelette they barely give you any crab. Service is iffy they're good sometimes and bad sometimes. --["JessicaFu"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-03-25 08:45:41'' [[nbsp]] Went there with my boyfriend on a rainy day and wasn't terribly impressed. Our waiter was attentive, but kind of odd in general. When telling us the soup of the day he started with "I know this isn't very exciting, but our soup of the day is....". I mean, c'mon, you just don't do that. Also, the table we had was kind of squeezed in the corner in a very odd shape. We kept accidentally kicking each other because of the narrowness. The portions were indeed small, but I'm okay with that as long as the food is quality. Honestly though, this food wasn't anything to write home about. I had the meatloaf, which was decent, and Luke had the steak sandwich, which he couldn't even eat. Our appetizers(chips and dip, toasted cheese ravioli) were pretty good. I liked the citrus flair in the salsa and guacomole. --["JillWeinstein"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-03-29 14:51:26'' [[nbsp]] I've been there once. Some of the food portions are decent for the price charged, while other portions are too small (otherwise known as overpriced). That probably wouldn't have bothered us too much had we not noticed the 18% gratuity added for groups of six or more (surprise, surpirse, we had exactly six people). Also, our server was very eager to recommend some dinner (I forgot what it was) at least five times. She also seemed insistent on taking our plates the minute we seemed to have finished our food, even if we truely hadn't. Overall, I'd like to see the service be a little slower, a little friendlier to serve the interests of the customers -- not those of the establishment. The food, however, was pretty good. I would go there again for sure, but not very frequently. --["TusharRawat"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-04-10 20:37:47'' [[nbsp]] After seeing the bad reviews this place got, I was hesitent to try it, yet did end up going with many chaps from my dorm for a friend's birthday. The food was way to expensive, and even charged us 10$ for bringing out a prebought cake. Positively, the Shrimp Cigars were uber good - at least with the colored (plum?) sauce. If I go back, I'll probably order that again. The Salmon sandwich was way too small and poor tasting. At least it came with more mini french fries than I could eat. I'd go back if they make their prices more reasonable, probably. --["JosephBleckman"]<br> - <br> - ------<br> - On Wednesday evening a group of four girlfriends and I went to the Bistro for a friend's birthday with dinner reservations at 6:15. Arriving on time, the hostess told us there would be a 10-15 minute wait for a table outside; it took 25 minutes while a large party of 10+ and a party of 2 (all of whom arrived after us) were seated. Once at our table our waitress got us our drinks and took our order, however ONE AND A HALF hours later (at 7:45) after making 2 inquiries with a hostess who ignored us, we were told our dinner would be out immediately along with the manager per our request. When the salads, sandwiches, and my small appetizer of fries finally arrive along with the manager (Kurt) we explain how rude it was to have such a long wait for seating, attention, and food at 6pm on a Wednesday. Unapologetically he cuts my friend off with, "I don't get it? What are you trying to say?" What my party and I were trying to communicate was that we have never been treated so poorly in any other establishment in Davis and we deserved no such treatment; we will be pursing this matter through the proper channels. ''So therefore I would like to warn all readers that this second rate, poor excuse for a restaurant does not deserve your business, the management was rude, the service inept and I hope no one else will have to suffer such treatment. Stay Away!'' --["LisaBeth"]<br> - <br> - I am a server at Bistro 33 and was working during the incident Ms. Beth has described. While I regret she did not enjoy her dining experience at Bistro, it seems a bit trifling that she has gone out of her way to leave out several key details in her comment, which I wish to clarify. To begin, when Ms. Beth's party arrived at Bistro we had our VIP table (overlooking the bar) prepared and we were ready to seat them immediately. However, upon arrival, her party requested a table on our patio, something that wasn't immediately available for them due to parties already dining on the patio and reservations which had specifically requested tables on the patio (which would also explain why two other parties, both with reservations and pre-made requests for patio tables, were seated). Furthermore, Ms. Beth's party was able to, and in fact did, wait at the bar where they enjoyed cocktails and the service of our bar staff until their table was ready. There is no dispute that, through absolutely no fault of the people mentioned (hostess, server, and manager) there was a slight delay in the delivery of food. Firstly, however, besides notifying the pertinent server of the inquiry, which was done twice, the hostess is obligated to remain at her station and has done nothing in her career at Bistro to suggest she would ignore a patron.<br> - <br> - Next, I have never dined in a restaurant where you could start counting the time it took to receive a meal from the moment you are scheduled to walk in the door. After deducting time for a short wait, a trip to the bar, and the formalities of being greeted by the server, the actual wait time was far shorter for the 1 ½ hours quoted. I would also like to point out the inconsistency in times mentioned (6:15 and then 6), as well as the fact that the management obviously has no control over the weather and its ability to draw an unusually large Wednesday night crowd. Finally, Kurt is well known by staff and patrons alike as a very gracious and helpful manager. He did, in fact, communicate with the party to try and understand the problem (it was, after all, the first he’d heard of it), offer an apology for the unusual, but in my personal opinion not unbearable, wait time, and proceed to discount the party's entire bill to $0. In conclusion, I would like to sincerely apologize that, in what is becoming a far less frequent occurrence at Bistro, mistakes are made. However, I happen to know that the staff on the night in question, and Kurt specifically, went out of their way to accommodate the party’s requests and did everything possible to rectify the situation that ensued, including comping the whole meal, and to no avail. It was unfortunate but completely out of the staff’s control. A mistake was made (unfortunately they are human) and we did out best to fix it, bottom line. I find it hard to believe anyone could feel that one mistake, coupled with a short wait due only to the party’s seating preference, could justify such a vicious attack on Bistro in such an unjustified and uncalled for way. Having worked at several restaurants in Davis, I dare you to find one where mistakes aren’t made. ["Drew Kyler"]<br> - <br> - <br> - First and foremost I would like to say I am pleased to know that employees from the establishments in the area read this website and try to account for the opinions posted on this site. However, Mr. Kyler’s account of the evening was faulty and blatantly false in many points. Although, I am sure Mr. Kyler was at the restaurant the evening in question he was neither at my table, nor present during the inquiries with the hostesses, waitress nor with Kurt. To begin, this was the first time any of our party had been to the Bistro 33 and when we made reservations we were never offered or told that patio seating was even an option, thus when we arrived we did make a change. Second, although the manager Kurt may be gracious and helpful to others he was everything but so to our party. After speaking twice to the waitress and hostesses, Kurt came to our table and offered no apology (a fact to which I have four people attesting to) and where Mr. Kyler was not present. My party and I were willing to stay had we been offered an explanation or an apology from management, but our final decision to leave was based solely on the fact that we were treated rudely by Kurt. Kurt did not go out of his way to accommodate us; again he offered no apology, cut us off during our explanation, failed to see our point (I quote verbatim, “I don’t get it? What are you trying to say?”) and offered us no compensation what so ever. He never offered us to compensate the price of our meal as Mr. Kyler states, because had he done so we would have stayed due to the fact that is was a friend’s birthday dinner. Finally, although I understand that due to the reasonably warm weather that day a restaurant like the Bistro might experience an influx of patrons wanting to sit on the patio, but waiting till 7:45 pm (the time my party finally received our food before leaving) for two sandwiches, two salads and an order of fries is ridiculous.<br> - <br> - Our request for good service, or in this case any service, is neither unreasonable nor unjustified and the comments I made were neither vicious nor uncalled for, they are honest and just. I stand by my opinion, and while I appreciate Mr. Kyler’s attention to this matter and his general apology, I maintain that the service was poor and that we were treated unfairly. In all fairness, I do concede two points; 1) the reservations were in fact made for 6:15 pm, I was told 6 pm so that was my mistake (however the wait time was 25 minutes not 10-15 as we were told), 2) the waitress did apologize, but offered us no explanation, or compensation and did leave our party unattended for an hour until we sought her attention (which was when we asked to speak to the management). Having worked in restaurants and in customer service in and outside of Davis I can also understand that mistakes are made, however my point is that I have never experienced bad service of this magnitude (between the hostesses, waitress and management) and I would like to keep others from having their evening ruined by poor service. At this point nothing short of an apology from the management would rectify this situation or change my opinion of this restaurant, however based on recent history I will not hold my breath.<br> - <br> - Finally, someone else is as horrified by the poor service and even poorer management as I have been. As I stated above, this place borders on the need to call the health department. I also find it offensive that the employees who read these pages spend so much time attacking the patrons instead of listening to their comments and taking them to heart. I cannot wait until someone else takes this place over, or they lose their lease, or they go under because people start to boycott. I look forward to when the NEXT restaurant opens in this fabulous location. -''DisgustedDiner''<br> - <br> - I am extremely curious as to what gives you the notion our restaurant "borders on the need to call the health department"? That comment is so extremely erroneous it voids most of the author’s credibility. Do they work for the health department? Are they familiar with local health codes? Also, when was the last time a patron was allowed in the kitchen (the area the health department inspects)? Furthermore, part of our kitchen and our entire bar are in plain view of diners and obviously well maintained. Next, I began commenting on this forum for the sole purpose of clarifying misunderstandings in different posts. I have not, nor would I, attacked a patron through this forum. Finally, the Bistro concept has been around for 11 years with huge popularity, major growth, and there will be no NEXT restaurant because we're not going anywhere. --DrewKyler<br> - <br> - I think if you decide to change your reservation when you get there and request a different table with a large party, you've forfeited your right to a quick table. If you were in a hurry you should have taken the available table. She said 15 minutes and it took 25? Boo hoo. If you've worked in a restaurant then you know all too well it's not an exact science. People camp at tables. Likewise, IF your entire bill was comped you have no right to complain about the service, in my opinion. Free food and drinks for a bunch of people, but you had to wait for it? Boo hoo. Please take a step back and realize how spoiled rotten you must be to complain about such treatment. --JeffSpeckles, NOT an employee of Bistro<br> - <br> - ------<br> - ''2006-04-20 10:20:41'' [[nbsp]] I've eaten at Bistro 33 numerous times and have experienced both extremely good, mediocre and irritating. The service seems to be better with smaller groups and more can go wrong with larger ones. The most enjoyable meal that I had there was when my husband and I ate there one evening. The service was excellent, we were seated after a comfortable waiting period, we weren't rushed and the food we ordered was very good. I experienced mediocre when I went there with a small group (8 people) from work at 5:30 pm. There really aren't tables that accomodate a larger group like that. I experienced irritating when I went there with my family for my father's birthday. Parts of the family were seated separately by mistake an we each waited an hour for each other to arrive. This happened even though we told the hostess that we were there for a party. As I think that the majority of the mistakes are made relative to the size of the group, perhaps restaurant management could assign someone to handle the groups --["SharlaDaly"]<br> - * Did you call ahead and make reservations? --["TusharRawat"]<br> - <br> - * Yes, for both of the the groups. No, for the dinner with just my husband. - ["SharlaDaly"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-04-25 10:24:59'' [[nbsp]] i haven't eaten here but I can attest that the Trivia Pub Quiz is really fun, as is the Quiz Mistress. --["RohiniJasavala"]<br> - <br> - ------<br> - 04/28/2006 I have eaten at Bistro many times and am a frequent patron of the bar. I think the service is on the whole good and mistakes are made during busy times. The food is fine for the price, the staff accomodating but what irks me are the patrons who think they are in a glitzy restaurant. Its Davis and though decorated better than most Davis restaurants its still a intermediate if not high low priced place to dine. People that go there have some serious issues if they expect a sommelier and college wait staff kissing their buttocks. But you already knew that, didn't you? --''Jonathan Nasca''<br> - ------<br> - I also have eaten at Bistro 33 and their sister restaurant 33rd St Bistro numerous times. While sometimes I have noticed a delay in food delivery, or water refills, I have always left satisfied and full. Every time anybody walks through those doors, they walk under a big sign that says "Bistro 33". What is a bistro, I ask myself, well according to Webster's dictionary, it is,"a small or unpretentious restaurant." Ok. They didn't get the small part down. For those of you non-UC types, unpretentious is,"free from ostentation, elegance, or affectation : MODEST ." Mmmmmm. Not fine dining. Maybe the owners should have NOT made it so appealing to look at, and dumbed down the menu to please the Davis crowd and give them what they expect. Or maybe the Davis crowd should resist from complaining, not wallow in arrogance and ignorance, and take the Bistro for what is is... A BISTRO! Not fine dining. It's in the name for Christ's sake! Where do you all go for fine dinning, France? I feel comfortable wearing flip-flops and a tube top sitting anywhere inside or out, and I don't get any snooty looks, except from the patrons. -''MollyEvans''<br> - <br> - * Cheers to that! -- DrewKyler<br> - * That still doesn't explain/justify the bad customer service that Bistro 33 is providing. I'm pretty sure us Davis folks don't see the place as "fine dining." PattyLouieJunior<br> - <br> - ------<br> - Wow, people are really passionate about this place! My friends and I have eaten here a couple of times. The food is fine (breakfast both times), but the service was extremely poor. Some waiters/waitresses were working very hard, but some were not, ours included (OK, to be fair she may have been working hard, but nowhere in sight). An hour after finishing our meal, someone (a hostess? I'm not sure) finally got our bill to us, then proceeded to stand over us while we figured out the bill. That was an hour with no coffee or water refills, our finished breakfast plates in front of us. Having a staff member stand over us, chomping her gum, was not a good way to end our meal. I really usually don't complain about this stuff, but a simple "sorry it took us so long" goes a long way! By the way, we all prefer the Riverside Clubhouse in Sacramento, which is owned by the same group - better food, better service.<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-05-13 23:48:21'' [[nbsp]] This place sucks. Yes, I know they have a nice place. It looks hip and all. However, the serice sucks. I went here and ordered a glass of Merlot. I had to wait 5 minutes because they ran out of wine glasses. I waited patiently. Finally, I got my glass of wine. I swirled it and noticed that there was lipstick mark on the glass (totally disgusting...how clean is this place???). I told the bar tender that my glass is dirty. What did he do? He pours my wine in a new glass. I thought that was rude and showed lack of training and hygiene. I asked him that he should really pour me a new wine from the bottle. He smirks and then pours me half a glass of wine. Folks, this place looks nice but it's tacky and dirty. If you decide to go to this place, be mindful of how clean your food and drinks are. A friendly warning. --["JerDiaz"]<br> - <br> - Obviously you will always have the high maintenance types that find something wrong with their dining experience no matter what, but in all honesty, my first and last experience at this place was pretty bad. Here's my list: 1. Long wait, but understandable considering the "popularity" 2. Tiniest table I have ever sat at, nearly rubbing elbows with the couple seated next to us. 3. Sat with our menus down (I thought this was the international "we're ready to order" signal) for an unusually long time waiting to have our orders taken. 4. Worse mojito I have ever had. 5. Gave us two tiny pieces of bread and never even offered to give us more. When we asked, we were given a "look" and given one more tiny piece. 6. Even longer wait for food, arrived luke warm. Would have asked for the food to be warmed up, but after being treated so poorly by the server, didn't see the need. 7. Ridiculously small portions for the price. If it's supposed to be all cute and quaint like a bistro, offer some goddamned prices to match! 8. Even after all this, I still ordered a dessert which was okay, but in no way "made up" for the main course. 9. All in all we ordered over $60 of food and drink between the two of us and were still treated horribly the whole time. I even gave the 15% tip because I'm not an asshole like the server was to us. With that one condescending, evil look and the rest of the experience, I decided just to never come back and to tell as many people as possible about how aweful it was. If you love poor service and ridiculous price/portion ratio, you'll love Bistro 33. Sorry management, these were my honest experiences. ["TylerFelix"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-06-13 14:11:00'' [[nbsp]] My boyfriend and I ate here a few months ago. We ended up ordering three entrees (including one labeled as "large"), and we were still super hungry afterwards. The portions are small. The food itself isn't bad, nothing to write home about, but not terrible. For the portion size, I felt it was expensive. The atmosphere is nice, service was good, and we'll probably try it again, just not when we're so hungry. --["AndreaStewart"]<br> - <br> - I wanted to comment that I think it is strange that an employee thinks that the Health Department is only concerned with the kitchen. As if there would be no Health Code violation for, say, a waitress spitting in a customer's food unless the event took place there. FYI DrewKyler, the Health Department is concerned with the cleanliness of an entire restaurant. And as for your comment about your "not going anywhere".... from the looks of things... pity.<br> - <br> - <br> - What's a pity is longing for the restaurant to close when it is obviously a very popular place for breakfast, lunch, dinner and social events like college night, dancing the bar and Pub Quiz. It reminds me of Menken's definition of puritanism "the haunting feeling that someone , somewhere might be happy," read that as if you don't like the place don't go I will be much happier not having to see, dine with or be in the same 100 square foot zone as people of your ilk. In defense of Mr. Kyler, arguably one of the best servers in Davis, it is obvious that he was not mentioning the kitchen in any exclusionary sense of the disjunct in question , it is obvious to him , me and everyone besides yourself that the rest of the restaurant is exposed and is clean such that it did not warrant consideration by the Health Departments as it speaks for itself. -Jonathan Nasca<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-07-26 14:20:12'' [[nbsp]] I went there last week for a few drinks with a friend. We paid the tab with a credit card and left a 4 dollar tip. The next day my friend happened to look at the receipt and there was a $10 gratiuity charge along with the $4 tip she left. We bought three drinks in all. I dont know if this has happened to anyone else, but please leave a comment if it has. --["JamesSchwab"]<br> - * ''Are you sure the $10 wasn't a [http://www.faqfarm.com/Q/Why_would_a_restaurant_put_a_temporary_charge_on_your_credit_card authorizing charge]? They show up, especially on your internet statement, but if you look carefully, you'll notice that they don't actually apply against your available balance. They also disappear about two days or so later (sometimes a few days). They are how restaurants (and other service places) can run your card and then add a tip later without having to ask for your card again. It's a standard credit card thing (or debit card used as a credit card). Confusing, sometimes upsetting, but utterly standard and it has nothing to do with a scam or anything underhanded.'' -- ["JabberWokky" jw]<br> - * ''As an interesting side note, it could be worse. Some colleges do an authorization charge on [http://www.gdn.edu/admissions/Tuition/guidelines.asp tuition]. Could you image the heart attack when it looks like you've been charged twice for your classes for a few days?'' -- ["JabberWokky" jw]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2006-08-22 13:11:38PhilipNeustromRevert to version 10 (editor removed all negative reviews. need effort to work as whole). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2005-10-01 01:22:19'' [[nbsp]] Enjoyable Californian Cuisine. I have visited Bistro 33 twice. The first time I visited was actually on their test run a couple days before their real opening. On that day I came with two girlfriends and our 3 kids. The servers were nice, though extremely busy with an influx of customers that I don't think they were expecting. I ordered a wood-fired pizza and a glass of Zinfandel. One of my girlfriends ordered the steak sandwich which they ate with gusto. Our kids had chicken tenders, fries, etc. I found the experience fun and enjoyable. The staff was also quite nice to our kids (this doesn't always happen at fine restuarants.) The second time we visited was with my husband and daughter. I had a delicious house salad and crabcakes. My husband enjoyed the french onion soup<br> - <br> - I really wanted to like this place. --<br> - But after four or five visits I have come to the conclusion that Bistro 33 problems with service, food quality, pricing and just rhe general attitude and feel of the dining experience sis a failure of managemnt. Yes the service is bad, but it is management's job to ensure that ALL staff are trained to enhance the customer experience, not detract from it.<br> - There is no excuse for a waiter not knowing what gins they offer, much less not be able to pronounce them. Where's the training? There is no excuse for the sparkling wine on the menu not to be chilled and ready to serve. Who's running the bar? Likewise, limp spinich salads, salmon dishes -lukewarm and swimming in butter and enedible, no excuse. Where's the quality control? Who's overseeing this operation?<br> - Everyone can have a bad night, even whole establishments have times when everything goes wrong for some reason. That's not what we're dealing with here. This is a total breakdown of management. The times I have visited the staff, for the most part, seem to want to serve well, but they just haven't been trained in the proper way to do so. So give'em a little bit of a break.<br> - Finally a word about pricing. For one, they are a little high for the quality of food delivered. Two, pricing can be opportunistic (ex: charging an extra dollar when ordering a martini "up" is outlandish. That is not a special request. That's what a Martini is. Where's my savings for you not having to use ice?) This place is not worth the waste of an otherwise good evening. It's just too frustrating. Fortunatly, there are other, better places to eat in Davis -- I really wanted to like this place.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ''2005-10-01 01:22:19'' [[nbsp]] Enjoyable Californian Cuisine. I have visited Bistro 33 twice. The first time I visited was actually on their test run a couple days before their real opening. On that day I came with two girlfriends and our 3 kids. The servers were nice, though extremely busy with an influx of customers that I don't think they were expecting. I ordered a wood-fired pizza and a glass of Zinfandel. One of my girlfriends ordered the steak sandwich which they ate with gusto. Our kids had chicken tenders, fries, etc. I found the experience fun and enjoyable. The staff was also quite nice to our kids (this doesn't always happen at fine restuarants.) The second time we visited was with my husband and daughter. I had a delicious house salad and crabcakes. My husband enjoyed the french onion soup and cesar salad. As far as what they need to improve on: I would recommend a seasonal menu or at least a different menu for lunch and dinner. I also thought *some* of the food prices were high. It was $12.95 for two small crabcakes. --["SherryOneal"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-10-02 14:17:33'' [[nbsp]] Had lunch with my girlfriend today at about noon. There were a few too many servers standing around in the corner, but our server (Hollie) was great! I was a little worried coming in, due to some reviews above. It may possibly have been we beat most the lunch crowd. It didn't start filling up until 1ish, when we were leaving. We got the Kennebec Fries, two sandwiches (Puget Sound and the Gorge), and Creme Brulee as a desert - the food was great! Sandwiches were a little smaller then I'd hope for, but with the fries and desert we were full for only about $30. I was surprised that they didn't have a desert menu printed yet.<br> + <br> + * ''2005-10-03 12:51:32'' [[nbsp]] I was probably one of the servers standing around. The time before you get sat is awful because you just sit there feeling useless, there's always food to be delivered but there's only so much food until we get a full house. Hollie IS great. I'm not sure if dessert menus are ever going to be printed to be honest with you. Some of the servers prefer we didn't, some prefer that we do, it's really management's call. Three of our eight desserts change on a near daily basis, so maybe that's why we haven't printed them. Glad to see a greater # of positive reviews now. Just at an employee level I think we've let some loose ends go and have worked out some (but not all) of our kinks. If you want a quiet dinner on a weekend though, I'm not sure if that's possible unless you sit outside on the patio, after around nine we start the metamorphic process of turning into a loud, college bar. The weekend patio/indoor people alway seem happiest. --["AlvinTsao"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-11-17 08:37:15'' The waiter was nice when he found out it was my birthday (from my license). Gave us a free chocolate pate desert, lil candle and all, it was yummy. --["EdwinSaada"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-10-18 22:44:24'' [[nbsp]] I work at another restaurant, and I find the service pretty good. I usually sit at the bar. The food is excellent in my opinion. I like the burger and the paninis, and good clam chowder as well. As for service issues, any new place will have them. Give it a couple months before judging.<br> + <br> + One thing that struck me as odd--a friend and I sat at the bar the very first night Bistro was open and weren't carded. We are both 25, and certainly look close enough to card. In fact I haven't ever been carded in the half dozen or so times I've been there. Alvin, it may be too late if what I hear is true, but tell your mgmt to crack down on checking IDs!!! The ABC has very little tolerance for lazy ID checking. --["JeffSpeckles"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2006-01-19 19:45:03'' [[nbsp]] I was recently in Bistro33 Davis and I have to say that your manager Dave was awesome! He knows what he's doing and made our simple lunch a great experience. The food was not bad, so I'd say if we came back it would only be because of the service Dave showed us. He is an asset to the restaurant and would be to any restaurant! --["TeriJones"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2006-05-12 17:46:22'' [[nbsp]] No place is perfect, but this restaurant is as good as it gets in Davis, imho, the right blend of quality of food, ambiance, presentation, location, and price. I've gone there for dinner about a half-dozen times and each time I'm glad I chose that over some of the other choices in Davis. If I were to design a restaurant it would end up being just like this. The only thing I would change is some of the outside decor and furniture. --["HughToppe"]<br> + <br> + == Mixed ==<br> + <br> + ''2005-09-08 16:30:00'' [[nbsp]] I went to Bistro 33 last Thursday. We were told there would be a 25 minute wait (which turned out to be 100% accurate) before getting our table, so we sat at the rather ample bar. First off, the decor in this place attempts to be ultra modern, but ends up being a bit tedious. The fire columns surrounding the bar are superfluous, but fun to watch. Bar service was prompt and friendly despite how busy it was. Full Sail Pale Ale and Rogue Dead Guy Ale on tap are always welcome by belly, taboot. I didn't order any mixed drinks, so I can't comment on that. After exactly 25 minutes (really!) we were seated outside, thankfully. Inside it seemed hectic and boisterous, but outside the tables were sparsely placed and the atmosphere was more calm. Service was sufficient to keep me happy, but the beer and wine helped with that as well. : ) I believe we ended up getting 3 bread baskets, and there weren't any funny looks from the waitstaff as a result. I can't stand when there's any reticence on a waiter's part when you order extra bread. What is it for, decoration? Anyway, I ordered the Nicoise salmon salad, which I enjoyed thoroughly. The salmon was perfectly cooked and rather moist. The girl I was eating with ordered the meatloaf. I will admit, I've never liked meatloaf, but this was pretty damn tasty, very tender and well spiced. I don't think it was all beef. Some moist mystery meat (pork?) was likely used a filler. We ordered desert, but I don't remember eating it, so no comment. Overall, this place has its issues, but that is to be expected with a new restaurant that is often inundated with people. I will most certainly go back, and will try again to sit outside. Recommended, but YMMV...--["MarcRehfuss"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-09-08 21:21:58'' [[nbsp]] I agree with other commentators that the service sucks. With that many people running around why didn't we get water within 5 mins of sitting down? Why did our appetizer arrive after the salads? I enjoyed the peach catsup with the fries as an appetizer. Also enjoyed the "Puget Sound" panini, although this is not a diet dish (very heavy on the creamy cheese). I would try this restaurant again although I think it would be better to sit outside. --["SamanthaGrant"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-10-02 15:14:11'' [[nbsp]] I went there yesterday with my dad and sister. I thought the food was good but it was overpriced. I thought that I would get my money worth, but I didnt. I paid 19 dollars for the salmon dish and it was small. I'll give Bistro another try if I go there again. --["SimonFung"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2006-01-13 14:53:18'' [[nbsp]] I think they have the best burger in town, but the rest of the food is hit and miss and the service is never what you could call good. The bar is surprisingly clueless: they serve Guinness in an iced glass and don't know that you're supposed to garnish a gin &amp; tonic with a lime. --["ToNils"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2006-01-13 14:53:18'' [[nbsp]] I think they have the best burger in town, but the rest of the food is hit and miss and the service is never what you could call good. The bar is surprisingly clueless: they serve Guinness in an iced glass and don't know that you're supposed to garnish a gin &amp; tonic with a lime. --["ToNils"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-10-16 12:11:12'' [[nbsp]] their drinks are heavily watered down during bar nights, but the guys are hott. I WISH the waitress had spit in our soup...would've made it less salty, at least. --["ApolloStumpy"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-12-29 09:19:50'' [[nbsp]] I visited a server friend of mine at Bistro 33 the other night. I see what people mean about trendy atmosphere, but it wasn't you know, a 5 star restaurant or anything. I sat at the bar and drank a martini, which was pretty good. The bartender was nice and not too attentive (yet still attentive enough). I chatted it up with a girl next to me. She said she liked to come to the bar at Bistro 33 because the people were a bit more professional than the other establishments around Davis. The only food I ordered was fries. I agree with whoever said they were just like In-n-Out fries. I was a tiny-bit disappointed at how fast they came considering they were just damned fries. But, they were decently tasty, and they came with blue-cheese, vinegar and house sauce to dip them in, which was pretty grand. --["SaulSugarman"]<br> + * Do you mean they came too fast, or that they didn't come quickly enough? Your comment is unclear... --["DomenicSantangelo"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-12-25 15:54:28'' [[nbsp]] The Bistro Clam chowder was flavorful and outperformed the Clear Clam Chowder, which had a hearty celery and vegetable flavor but no detectable seafood flavor. The fries were dead-ringers for thin ["In-N-Out"] fries. They went well with the blue cheese dressing, but were overpowered by the malt vinegar and overshadowed by the peach ketchup. The crab and artichoke dip was generous on the crab, and worth the cost. The Crispy Polenta really hit the spot, and offered a combination of savory mushrooms, bitter greens, fontina cheese, and a great crunch. Finally, the creme brulee was well made and enjoyed by the rest of my party, but I enjoyed the cobbler more. I've eaten dinner here three times, and there's been a problem with the service every single time. They've brough out the entrees at different times, brought entrees we didn't even order, brought our appetizers after our entrees, and brought the fries without the side dips. --["CraigBrozinsky"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2006-4-30'' [[nbsp]] I went a few weeks ago with my mother who wanted to sample some Davis cuisine. It took quite a while to be seated but once in the seating area we were served very quickly. Unfortunatly the music was really loud, and the screens were playing sports which was pretty distracting. After mixing up our order with someone elses, we were finally served our meals. The food was great!! Which made up for the rest of the problems. However, the food was a little pricey for how much you got, and it took about 20 minutes for the waiter to get back to us with our check. (i think he took a break) I'd go there again, to see if maybe the service has improved, before writing off this restaurant. -- ["SydneySwartz"]<br> + <br> + == Con Reviews ==<br> + <br> + ''Crappy, rude service.'' They sat 7 of us at a booth that really only fit 6. When we asked for an extra chair, was was really confused at to why the manager gave us hard time and was rude, and furthermore walks around with a pissy look on his face and has no interpersonal skills. Food was decent, when and if we got it. Everyone's food came to the table at different times. They forgot to bring us drinks, and the drinks that were served to us were the wrong ones. The restaurant is so "Chic" it is gaudy, including sparly tiles, stupid looking tapestries on the ceiling, and silly flames behind the bar. Shame they did this to a historic building, it should have been renovated in a more conservative manner-I'm surprised the historical society permitted it. I would definitely not recommend going there, at least until they stop acting like they are doing YOU a big favor.--["StevenJinks"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-09-12 14:37:45'' [[nbsp]] Our waitress was incredibly spacey and ditzy (perhaps she was new?), forgetting to bring us things like more water or ketchup, and screwing up one of our partys' orders. I ordered the coconut prawns, which were pretty tasty, but not at $2 a freaking prawn. The dish was just under $10 and I got five prawns, which left me hungry and angry. Drinks were also quite expensive, but no more so than other fancy establishments (i.e. Cheesecake Factory, Outback, etc). I probably wouldn't go here again unless someone else were paying. --["MargieHalloran"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-09-16 17:10:02'' [[nbsp]] Saturday Night... stopped off for a drink and to sample Davis' new addition... heralded as "classy"; I have nothing to say but trashy. I was rudely yelled at by the bar tender, only to hear from the crowd next to me that he had been acting like an "ass" all night... as if the three feet separating us had somehow been transformed into the grand canyon... did I hear him correctly...? I think the "bistro" had gone to his head... when I answered back equally as loud he threatened me with having me thrown out... this is davis, not LA... and the secret service bouncers outside needed to report back to the white house... this UC Davis, not USC. I stayed long enough to stiff him and fight through the mass of underage drinkers. I'm all for a new bar/restaurant downtown... but no one appreciates an overpriced "ass". --["AustinMerrill"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-09-18 19:17:07'' [[nbsp]] If you want wood-oven, gourmet pizza, this is ''not'' the place to go. My friends and I ordered three types of pizza: BBQ chicken, mushroom, and pepperoni/sausage. Aside from the pizzas' quality (sparse and mediocre toppings) and quantity (only eight inches) being incommensurate with the price ($9.95), the service was inattentive. If only Davis had an [http://www.ilvicino.com/ilvicino/index.asp Il Vicino]! --["ZacharyNorwood"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-09-22 00:53:42'' [[nbsp]] I've gone to Bistro 33 twice. The 1st time was for lunch and the food was overpriced and some food was disagreeable. I agree with the previous review regarding their 2 chowders and their service was slow but reasonable. I gave them a 2nd chance for a snack at 11 PM. Although the kitchen is open till midnight, the bouncers were out in force and were rude and demanded ID. I know that's their job but I told them off the bat that I only wanted dinner but they demanded ID regardless during their power trip. After dealing with the asses at the gate, I stood at the hostess station but didn't see a greeter and left soon afterward. I wouldn't mind if the service was like this at a club but if the restaurant's kitchen is still open, I expect to be treated as a customer who simply wants food. I was insulted to be treated like a criminal by the bouncers and ignored by the staff. I'm never going back. --["LiRic"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-10-02 10:54:57'' [[nbsp]] The food was pretty good, but there was hardly enough of it. My entree was a grand total of FIVE ravioli. Five! So my boyfriend and I actually ended up getting three entrees, and we were still hungry afterwards. The atmosphere was so-so. If you want a nice night out, go to Soga's or the Mustard Seed. They have better food, more food, and a nicer atmosphere. --["AndreaStewart"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-10-16 18:04:39'' [[nbsp]] ''Decent food, but not always worth the price.'' I went to Bistro 33 for my first time at lunch today. I ordered the crab cakes and the Puget Sound panini. Both were delicious. However, the prices leave something to be desired. The panini wasn't too expensive for what I got, but the crab cakes? I ordered them to split with another person. At $12.95, we figured we'd get a decent amount of crab cakes and we got two. TWO. The crab cakes were good, but not worth over $6 per cake. Service was so-so. Our server was absent for long periods of time and sometimes missed things we'd ask for, but not too horrible. --["RachelPeters"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-10-18'' [[nbsp]] I wrote a comment about how one of the waitresses was rude to a group of my frineds who happened to be leaving when I arrived one evening. My friends got their food paid for that night. On another occasion, I was assigned to the same woman's section, and she told me she had spit in our food. I notice that my discussion of this event is missing from this page, possibly because I did not list my name. Because there are several other comments by people who do not use their name, I kindly request that this note be left up, as it discusses the restaurant and is relevant. Unfortunately, none of the comments on this site can be verified, or shown to be untrue. But if we are to leave one up, we should leave them all. --["DisgustedDiner"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-12-05 19:13:50'' [[nbsp]] I had the Pudget Sound panini and it was devoid of any vegetables and that made the sandwich taste starchy, so I put the side salad on top of it. Overall, better sandwiches at Delta or the Nugget for a fraction of the price. As for the atmosphere, it's bleh to me, but I'm not into the cute-dressing-up-ness. Also, the outside decor reminded me of SF's Holocaust Memorial, not to relate the two at such a shallow level. --["ShayneErw"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-12-12 12:56:19'' [[nbsp]] Very Bad service, not very good food... The food was partialy OK mostly not good (for example the onion soup or the mushroom reviouly) the pizza got to the table cold and was heated in the microwave in 10 second. The wine was opened served into a dirty glass then pour to everyone without even the option to taste (she actually move the wine from the lipstick makred glass to a different one and left it to us !!!) and then the kids menu came with chicken fingers with 3 smily fies and then when we asked for addition (3!!, who's child will have enough) we were charged for it. The hair in the creme broule was a simbolic ending for a place that doesn't worth it, and defintly doesn't worth 30 mintues wait for a table --["GilCo"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-12-12 18:02:09'' [[nbsp]] I wonder if the management of Bistro 33 reads this page? Most of these problems would be SO easy to fix, and customers would be much happier. So much potential at this very nice location with a pleasant (although perhaps slightly overpriced) menu. I also one time, ordered a menu item that was completely innacurate in its description. Just little stupid things like that need to be overcome, if they're going to be as excellent as they potentially could be. --["JaimeRaba"]<br> + * I know for a fact that the management does read this page on occassion. Regarding the error on our menu, if you could be more specific, I could look into it. However, I do know that we have re-printed our menus once already (within the first month if I can remember accurately) to make them more accurate, but perhaps that needs to be done again? Also, I don't know if it's directly because of this page, but we've made a few changed to how we serve our customers, and other minor changes like printing out dessert/children's menus. Even if it may not seem like it always to the customers, we're constantly learning how to better serve our customers, and from my perspective it seems as though for the large part, we're succeeding (of course not always, mistakes are unfortunately human). Bistro doesn't have a microwave on its premises. --["AlvinTsao"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-12-18 22:01:50'' [[nbsp]] The bouncers here are complete assholes. They make the guests feel unwelcome. --["HenWeigh"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-12-19 08:37:34'' [[nbsp]] I was a little disappointed by the quality of the service, the salted cheesecake, the fries and the artichoke dip. None of them were high quality. --["JackHaskel"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2005-12-19 13:53:15'' [[nbsp]] went there Friday 12/16- will probably never go again. When we came in at 5:30 we were told it would be a 30 min wait, it ended up being 50 mins. The hostess apologized and was really friendly though. Then we were seated in a booth but we had 6 people ( 4 adults+2 kids). Because the bar is too close to the boothes, we kept getting elbowed by everyone who would walk by...We were given kids menus but the server didn't give the kids the drinks and fries that were supposed to come with the meal-we asked and she had to look at the menu to make sure that they were really supposed to get drinks but said the fries were a typo and they hadn't taken it off the menus yet. She gave us the fries anyway. For the money one pays, this is definitly not worth it. It was way too loud, cramped, and overpriced. Just not worth it overall. --["MyaBrn"]<br> + -------<br> + ''2006-04-30 13:39:02'' [[nbsp]] The girl who seated us seemed like Bistro was the last place she wanted to be, and I saw why. The waitress asked my friend and I whether anyone had taken care of us and she did, but then a different waitress brought the food out to us. After she took our orders, she forgot to remove the menus. The same one spilled glasses of Bloody Mary's on the patrons behind us, and she went around asking who had ordered the vegetable frittata. A waiter placed s&amp;p shakers on all the tables while we waited for our food (they should've been there when we sat down). The Northwest Scramble was tasty and very filling, but was not at all seasoned. I asked for some butter and the waitress who brought the food out (a blonde with a long ponytail) replied, "It's already on the bread." WOW. If I want more butter, gimme more butter, dammit! I wonder what she would've said if I'd asked for jam. My friend was impressed that they even had sourdough bread. The potatoes were very bland. At least our water glasses were topped off when they emptied, but if that goes to show how long we had to wait for the food. Considering how much we paid and that it's a "bistro", I would've expected much better service. Brunch would've been a total disaster if I didn't have good company. --["JennaChan"]<br> + <br> + <br> + [[Comments(Opinions and Reviews)]]<br> + <br> + --&gt;[[Include(IntegrateComments)]]&lt;--<br> + ------<br> + ''2005-09-25 00:43:52'' [[nbsp]] So I heard that one of the investors got tazered and the manager got fired because of an incident last week. Apparently the investor's bimbo girlfriend got upset when the investor was talking to anthoer girl, and broke a candle over his head. Someone called the cops, who showed up and tried to break up the fight. The investor got all up in the cop's faces, and tried to put one of the cops in a headlock. The investor was arrested, and put in the back of the cop car, at which point, the bimbo he was with, went around to the other side of the cop car and let him out and he started running down the street. The cops the tazered him and took him to jail. The next day, the cops met with the manager, who came to the meeting drunk. The cops said, ok, fine we'll just take your liquor liscence. And Bistro 33 fired the manager as recompense for the incident. --["ArlenAbraham"]<br> + * OK. Can we please keep comments that aren't about food or service off this page? Or at least place create a page for it elsewhere? This was such an exaggeration based on a shred of truth. Negative comments are valid, but libel/slander is not. I think it'd be bad form for me to make these changes, but if one of our great wiki gnomes could either start a page up for these rumors or just delete it like the comment people had problems with before I would be much obliged. I'm a server now, come sit in my section and I'll make sure everything runs smoothly for you. --["AlvinTsao"]<br> + * So, what actually happened? --["EdwinSaada"]<br> + * I promise to tell all that I know as soon as we can get another page to put it in, kind of like what the wiki community did for the Sigma Chi page. I don't care if there are negative comments on this page regarding food/service, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if there's another place to address rumors that'd be great. I also think this is true of the Sam's Mediterranean page. Unless there's hard proof and it concerns the actual dining experience it should go somewhere else. --["AlvinTsao"]<br> + * I heard it from a reliable source, and I'm going to stand by my hilarious story. You said ''"This was such an exaggeration based on a shred of truth."'' Do you know what actually happend? I've heard the same story from two reliable sources. - ["arlenabraham" arlen]<br> + ------<br> + ''2005-11-20 21:40:23'' [[nbsp]] So I just came back from this restaurant. Note that I only had about 75 dollars in my bank account at the time, so every penny means the world to me. But I went to this restaurant for a one year anniversary. The food was alright, and the service was nice. But when I came back home to check my available balance, I found out that I was overcharged. What the hell!!! So I thought I tipped quite generously, but I was ripped off of a very precious 2 dollars. 2 dollars could have paid for a very cheap meal the next day, but oh no... this restaurant took away the money I needed for survival. I am not returning ever again. It's only two dollars, but it's the principle of it all. --["KimYee"]<br> + * Check again in 3 days. That's a standard credit-card procedure with many restaurants, you'll only notice if you check online. A lot of places run the bill + 20% or something like that through the machine when they first scan it just to make sure it will go through (not be denied). They then later run the right amount and the charge is removed. Usually takes a couple business days before it finalizes for online statements. --["EdwinSaada"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2005-12-19 09:01:18'' [[nbsp]] I still have yet to go to this place to eat, but I have a friend who works as a server there. She says that when Bistro opened, a lot of the servers were green (did not have like, much to any experience serving) and that is what resulted in "a lot of bad reviews on the Davis Wiki." She's not a wikiholic, so I guess someone is talking about the fact that so many Davis residents are displeased with the quality of the service. I also heard (and right now, this is just a rumor until someone confirms it) that someone injured themselves very badly on the concrete patio on a bar night; effectively killing Bistro as a happening bar spot in Davis. --["SaulSugarman"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-01-20 00:52:31'' [[nbsp]] I was there tonight and I thought it was a nice experience. My only gripe was that the waitress was a bit slow. The first thing I noticed on the menu was how the prices seemed to form a gaussian around $9, which is a reasonable price for a dinner meal. I wonder what people would consider to be a good price for, say, a "Butternut Squash and Green Apple Soup"? I'm guessing some people want fancy food on the same pricing scheme as a Wendy's dollar menu. To which, I say, "Okay, there's a Wendy's on W. Cowell St. See ya." --["JesseSingh"]<br> + * Food cost at a restaurant is usually 25-30% of the menu price. A "serving" is 8 oz of soup. Math: If a butternut costs $2 ($0.89-1.19/lb), green apples cost $1/ea and you use three of them, and chicken broth costs $2/qt, then ingredient cost for 8 servings = $(2+3+2+2), or $1.13/serving--if you ignore the volume contributed by the squash and apples. $9 worth of ingredients probably yields at least 12 servings, at $0.75 each. Soup should be on the menu for $5 at most, but does go on the dollar menu for base costs. I've never eaten at Bistro 33 so this formula is pure speculation, but I hope my point is clear. --["JudithTruman"]<br> + * I can see the point you're trying to make, but I think your formula is waaay oversimplified. It completely fails to take into account numerous other important factors of eating in a restaurant. You aren't just paying for the meal when you sit down in a restaurant, you're paying a small part of the employees' salaries, the power bill, the water bill, the probably enormous property taxes, the general ambience, etc. And , of course, they're not selling food at cost, they're making a little profit as well. All those things add to the price. So I still don't know what people expect to pay at Bistro 33, except I do know that I showed up there on a Thursday night, and the place was packed. --["JesseSingh"]<br> + * I've responded to this site as an employee of Bistro 33, but I'm replying to this post as just another guy. As someone who really likes to cook, I know how expensive making certain things (like Cioppino for instance) can be. Now I'm sure our butternut/apple soup is no where as expensive as cioppino but there are a lot of ingredients that I can guess (I don't know for sure at this moment) that's in our soup (onions, creme fraiche, etc) that you aren't accounting for. I've made a lot of dinners for my friends where the final bill was 30-40 bucks more than I expected because of the more "insignificant" ingredients. But of course not all of it is based on the food itself as Singh pointed out. Besides..Bistro making a profit keeps me working.<br> + --["AlvinTsao"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-02-01 22:02:26'' [[nbsp]] I am really confused as to why there's a menu rather than a link to one; maybe if one had prices... --["JaimeRaba"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-02-03 03:59:59'' [[nbsp]] I'm continually amused at people's restaurant reviews where the author begins by saying something to the effect of: "The food was pricey." Guess what, you're eating at a restaurant. They can charge whatever they want. I've eaten at plenty of "pricey" restaurants, and surprise-surprise, the food usually isn't as shitty as what you would find in a 'cheap' place, like a Burger King or some other dump. Judith: I'd like to try some of the drugs you're on, because I'd have a blast oversimplifying how much to charge patrons for a cup of soup. --["JohnNapier"]<br> + * I've attended lectures/taken exams on food costing, the formulaic approach to determining menu prices for restaurants. My medications have nothing to do with this discourse. If you'd like to borrow my rose-colored glasses, that's a different story. --["JudithTruman" JT]<br> + <br> + I will dampen your blast, John, with an explanation:<br> + <br> + Food Costing begins with a few facts about wholesale prices of each raw ingredient, and then calculates the cost of the prepared product. Each food item on the inventory list has a waste% so that restaurants can order enough raw product to cover their prepared product needs. Five pounds of raw potatoes will not yield five pounds of peeled potatoes, so if you need 5lbs peeled potatoes, you've got to order 6-7 lbs potatoes, depending on potato size. Things like fluid milk or dry pasta have no waste associated with their use for inventory purposes. Restaurants aim for Cost of Food to be 25-30% of the menu price, modified to account for regional norms and to eliminate numbers that look way-off-scale compared to the rest of the menu. For example, if oranges cost $X/lb, and yield Y oz/juice per pound of oranges, then the juice costs $X per Y oz, and will be on the menu for 3-4 times that price, which may be more than a customer would expect to pay for a glass of orange juice. At that point, a restaurant may decide that frozen oj from concentrate is good enough, and will keep costs down. Other fruit juices on the menu would probably be listed at the same price as the orange juice. If grape costs $1, people might pay $3 for orange, but probably not be willing to pay $14 for fresh pineapple juice. As Jesse said above, the other 65-70% of the cost is for labor wages, overhead (rent/utilities), depreciation of equipment, taxes, furniture/decorations (pretty stuff costs more), and other business expenses, plus profit. I understand that the restaurant industry considers 5% net profit to be very good. --["JudithTruman" JT]<br> + <br> + * Thanks for the explanation on food costing, Judith, and I apologize for sounding like an asshole in my previous post. The truth is, I'm something of an asshole offline, so don't take it personally. Certainly, costing is a convoluted process that involves many inputs and considerations of alternatives, but determining how much you are actually able to get out of the consumer is entirely up to the market, as far as I'm concerned. Restaurants are able to stay in business by pricing their inventory and service with the market. When the market demand is high, you ask for the moon, like everyone else. Why? Because you have constraints like a limited amount of seating, service times, costs associated with serving patrons, etc., etc. Why charge lower prices than necessary when the business is going gangbusters and you have a large number of patrons flocking to the restaurant? Especially when your business is relatively new and popular, like the case with the Bistro. Charging high enough prices to skim off demand that is willing to pay those prices (enough only such that your business is still slightly below capacity) is a shrewd business move, so long as the patrons come back and encourage more business. If Bistro is doing that, successfully, then good for them. --["JohnNapier"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-02-03 06:34:47'' [[nbsp]] are you a retard? People complain when food is pricey and isn't good enough to match the price. --["ApolloStumpy"]<br> + * Who is this directed at? --["JudithTruman" JT]<br> + * Cute little smartass insult, Apollo. How exactly do you determine if the quality is matching the price? It's a popular restaurant, so certainly some people think it is worth the price, despite your opinion. How do you know what the price 'should' hypothetically be, anyway? Are you a respected professional restaurant reviewer, labor union foreman, property appraiser, accounting consultant, and food costing specialist, all rolled into one? Newsflash: things like 'good' and 'tastes good' are subjective bullshit opinions that are as often agreed upon as disagreed upon. Furthermore, eating in a quasi-good restaurant is routinely more expensive than making your own food, unless you live in a region (i.e. Manhattan) with a limited number of accessable bulk-priced grocery stores or all you eat is shit in McDonalds. So, your fantasy of what the price 'should be' is likely diluted with what you know about the actual cost of the ingredients involved in concocting a similar meal. But, I guess I'll go back to trying to bite my own ear now, because I'm retarded. --["JohnNapier"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-02-06 12:51:01'' [[nbsp]] After reading all of the above, I had the opportunity to check this place out for myself. On a Saturday night, the wait time was about 40 minutes. We managed to get a spot at a bar table quickly and were able to order food from there. We ordered the fries appetizer, I had a steak sandwich, and my companions tried the meatloaf and the fettucini with seared prawns. The wait staff was friendly, as was our waiter. The appetizer arrived at the same time as our dinner, which was odd, and somewhat disappointing. But the fries were very good -- they looked like in-and-out fries, but tasted much better. The ranch/blue cheese dip for them was particularily good. My steak sandwich was excellent, although it came with shoestring potatos that were so skinny it was like trying to eat a bunch of toothpicks. They were tasty, but it took way too much effort to gather all of them up in a manageable way. My companions said the meatloaf and fettucini were both excellent. Overall, dinner cost about $55 for the three of us (after tax/tip), and that's drinking mostly water. A tad on the pricy side for the size of the portions you get, but the food was very good. I would go back. --["AlexPomeranz"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-02-06 16:19:45'' [[nbsp]] I've been here several times and always liked it, but about 3 weeks ago we had a pretty crappy experience. Went there for some drinks and appetizers, everything was fine (though I do not recommend the black raspberry cooler, tasted horrible imo, but hey, it happens when you order randomly). But some server walking by dropped a cup, and the contents splashed over two of our party members. It wasn't much, but him and someone else scurried over with napkins, and kept saying "its not much" or "not too bad, sorry". It did take them a few minutes to wipe clean her jacket from the chair, and her back as well. Our friend next to her got splashed as well but he wasn't lucky enough to get a wipe down. I understand accidents happen, but I thought it was pretty lame they just tried to hide/clean it up asap with napkins and downplay it. I was hoping he'd comp us some drinks or an appetizer to make up for it. But I didn't want to make a big deal out of it and kill the group mood. --["EdwinSaada"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-02-08 23:18:28'' [[nbsp]] Happy Hour? How about Sour Hour? After debating the merits of every bar's Happy Hour, my friends and I decided to try Bistro's because it seemed like a fairly good deal for the environment. Needless to say, it was NOT Happy Hour although we got there circa 5:20PM and Wiki says that Bistro's Happy Hour ends at 6PM. The drinks were full priced and horrible. Three drinks were ordered: A Cran/Vodka, a Seabreeze and a Bloody Mary. The Cran/Vodka was watered down, the Seabreeze was made incorrectly and the Bloody Mary was HORRIBLE--too much celery flavor and pepper. The bartender was not at all friendly and didn't ask how the Bloody Mary should be made. Granted, I could have said a few modifications however I was curious to see what the "standard" BM would be at Bistro. Along with a celery stalk, I was given an olive and a wedge of lime. The lime was old and the skin was brown--ewww! Overall, presentation was too much. So much for Bistro! =( --["KarlaFung"] How did they make the Seabreeze wrong, out of curiosity?<br> + --Well, I didn't taste it, but my friend who got it said that they mixed up the juice. Maybe he thought "Bay Breeze"? Either way, 3 people were quite unhappy with drinks that they usually get.<br> + <br> + Went here for Valentine's recently. Decor is comfortable and nice, and atomsphere is very chill. There are some big flat panel tvs near the bar for sports, but a quieter atmoshphere for couples and the like is available in the front courtyard and the rear of the restaurant. Service is good with little wait time for reservations (we were 10 minutes late for ours). We ordered the bleu cheese/vinegar/peach ketchup fries for appetizer, roasted salmon and mushroom ravioli for entree, and cheesecake for dessert. All of them tasted pretty good, although the portions were quite small for the price (except the cheesecake, which was probably enough for 3 people). Cost a total of 50 bucks. Good for any occasion, if you have the money to spare. --["ArnoldLau"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-03-05 08:14:32'' [[nbsp]] Excellent service; my brother-in-law phone-ordered a gift certificate for us for Christmas. A staff member was concerned that the mail would be too slow, so he hand-delivered the gift certificate to our house. Staff members are always friendly and some have even remembered our previous orders. --["JenThornton"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-03-15 21:24:30'' [[nbsp]] Pancetta prawns is the best. I liked the burger as well. The place looks really nice but the food isn't that great and is overpriced. For breakfast I reccomend the waffle or french toast byt not the crab omelette they barely give you any crab. Service is iffy they're good sometimes and bad sometimes. --["JessicaFu"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-03-25 08:45:41'' [[nbsp]] Went there with my boyfriend on a rainy day and wasn't terribly impressed. Our waiter was attentive, but kind of odd in general. When telling us the soup of the day he started with "I know this isn't very exciting, but our soup of the day is....". I mean, c'mon, you just don't do that. Also, the table we had was kind of squeezed in the corner in a very odd shape. We kept accidentally kicking each other because of the narrowness. The portions were indeed small, but I'm okay with that as long as the food is quality. Honestly though, this food wasn't anything to write home about. I had the meatloaf, which was decent, and Luke had the steak sandwich, which he couldn't even eat. Our appetizers(chips and dip, toasted cheese ravioli) were pretty good. I liked the citrus flair in the salsa and guacomole. --["JillWeinstein"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-03-29 14:51:26'' [[nbsp]] I've been there once. Some of the food portions are decent for the price charged, while other portions are too small (otherwise known as overpriced). That probably wouldn't have bothered us too much had we not noticed the 18% gratuity added for groups of six or more (surprise, surpirse, we had exactly six people). Also, our server was very eager to recommend some dinner (I forgot what it was) at least five times. She also seemed insistent on taking our plates the minute we seemed to have finished our food, even if we truely hadn't. Overall, I'd like to see the service be a little slower, a little friendlier to serve the interests of the customers -- not those of the establishment. The food, however, was pretty good. I would go there again for sure, but not very frequently. --["TusharRawat"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-04-10 20:37:47'' [[nbsp]] After seeing the bad reviews this place got, I was hesitent to try it, yet did end up going with many chaps from my dorm for a friend's birthday. The food was way to expensive, and even charged us 10$ for bringing out a prebought cake. Positively, the Shrimp Cigars were uber good - at least with the colored (plum?) sauce. If I go back, I'll probably order that again. The Salmon sandwich was way too small and poor tasting. At least it came with more mini french fries than I could eat. I'd go back if they make their prices more reasonable, probably. --["JosephBleckman"]<br> + <br> + ------<br> + On Wednesday evening a group of four girlfriends and I went to the Bistro for a friend's birthday with dinner reservations at 6:15. Arriving on time, the hostess told us there would be a 10-15 minute wait for a table outside; it took 25 minutes while a large party of 10+ and a party of 2 (all of whom arrived after us) were seated. Once at our table our waitress got us our drinks and took our order, however ONE AND A HALF hours later (at 7:45) after making 2 inquiries with a hostess who ignored us, we were told our dinner would be out immediately along with the manager per our request. When the salads, sandwiches, and my small appetizer of fries finally arrive along with the manager (Kurt) we explain how rude it was to have such a long wait for seating, attention, and food at 6pm on a Wednesday. Unapologetically he cuts my friend off with, "I don't get it? What are you trying to say?" What my party and I were trying to communicate was that we have never been treated so poorly in any other establishment in Davis and we deserved no such treatment; we will be pursing this matter through the proper channels. ''So therefore I would like to warn all readers that this second rate, poor excuse for a restaurant does not deserve your business, the management was rude, the service inept and I hope no one else will have to suffer such treatment. Stay Away!'' --["LisaBeth"]<br> + <br> + I am a server at Bistro 33 and was working during the incident Ms. Beth has described. While I regret she did not enjoy her dining experience at Bistro, it seems a bit trifling that she has gone out of her way to leave out several key details in her comment, which I wish to clarify. To begin, when Ms. Beth's party arrived at Bistro we had our VIP table (overlooking the bar) prepared and we were ready to seat them immediately. However, upon arrival, her party requested a table on our patio, something that wasn't immediately available for them due to parties already dining on the patio and reservations which had specifically requested tables on the patio (which would also explain why two other parties, both with reservations and pre-made requests for patio tables, were seated). Furthermore, Ms. Beth's party was able to, and in fact did, wait at the bar where they enjoyed cocktails and the service of our bar staff until their table was ready. There is no dispute that, through absolutely no fault of the people mentioned (hostess, server, and manager) there was a slight delay in the delivery of food. Firstly, however, besides notifying the pertinent server of the inquiry, which was done twice, the hostess is obligated to remain at her station and has done nothing in her career at Bistro to suggest she would ignore a patron.<br> + <br> + Next, I have never dined in a restaurant where you could start counting the time it took to receive a meal from the moment you are scheduled to walk in the door. After deducting time for a short wait, a trip to the bar, and the formalities of being greeted by the server, the actual wait time was far shorter for the 1 ½ hours quoted. I would also like to point out the inconsistency in times mentioned (6:15 and then 6), as well as the fact that the management obviously has no control over the weather and its ability to draw an unusually large Wednesday night crowd. Finally, Kurt is well known by staff and patrons alike as a very gracious and helpful manager. He did, in fact, communicate with the party to try and understand the problem (it was, after all, the first he’d heard of it), offer an apology for the unusual, but in my personal opinion not unbearable, wait time, and proceed to discount the party's entire bill to $0. In conclusion, I would like to sincerely apologize that, in what is becoming a far less frequent occurrence at Bistro, mistakes are made. However, I happen to know that the staff on the night in question, and Kurt specifically, went out of their way to accommodate the party’s requests and did everything possible to rectify the situation that ensued, including comping the whole meal, and to no avail. It was unfortunate but completely out of the staff’s control. A mistake was made (unfortunately they are human) and we did out best to fix it, bottom line. I find it hard to believe anyone could feel that one mistake, coupled with a short wait due only to the party’s seating preference, could justify such a vicious attack on Bistro in such an unjustified and uncalled for way. Having worked at several restaurants in Davis, I dare you to find one where mistakes aren’t made. ["Drew Kyler"]<br> + <br> + <br> + First and foremost I would like to say I am pleased to know that employees from the establishments in the area read this website and try to account for the opinions posted on this site. However, Mr. Kyler’s account of the evening was faulty and blatantly false in many points. Although, I am sure Mr. Kyler was at the restaurant the evening in question he was neither at my table, nor present during the inquiries with the hostesses, waitress nor with Kurt. To begin, this was the first time any of our party had been to the Bistro 33 and when we made reservations we were never offered or told that patio seating was even an option, thus when we arrived we did make a change. Second, although the manager Kurt may be gracious and helpful to others he was everything but so to our party. After speaking twice to the waitress and hostesses, Kurt came to our table and offered no apology (a fact to which I have four people attesting to) and where Mr. Kyler was not present. My party and I were willing to stay had we been offered an explanation or an apology from management, but our final decision to leave was based solely on the fact that we were treated rudely by Kurt. Kurt did not go out of his way to accommodate us; again he offered no apology, cut us off during our explanation, failed to see our point (I quote verbatim, “I don’t get it? What are you trying to say?”) and offered us no compensation what so ever. He never offered us to compensate the price of our meal as Mr. Kyler states, because had he done so we would have stayed due to the fact that is was a friend’s birthday dinner. Finally, although I understand that due to the reasonably warm weather that day a restaurant like the Bistro might experience an influx of patrons wanting to sit on the patio, but waiting till 7:45 pm (the time my party finally received our food before leaving) for two sandwiches, two salads and an order of fries is ridiculous.<br> + <br> + Our request for good service, or in this case any service, is neither unreasonable nor unjustified and the comments I made were neither vicious nor uncalled for, they are honest and just. I stand by my opinion, and while I appreciate Mr. Kyler’s attention to this matter and his general apology, I maintain that the service was poor and that we were treated unfairly. In all fairness, I do concede two points; 1) the reservations were in fact made for 6:15 pm, I was told 6 pm so that was my mistake (however the wait time was 25 minutes not 10-15 as we were told), 2) the waitress did apologize, but offered us no explanation, or compensation and did leave our party unattended for an hour until we sought her attention (which was when we asked to speak to the management). Having worked in restaurants and in customer service in and outside of Davis I can also understand that mistakes are made, however my point is that I have never experienced bad service of this magnitude (between the hostesses, waitress and management) and I would like to keep others from having their evening ruined by poor service. At this point nothing short of an apology from the management would rectify this situation or change my opinion of this restaurant, however based on recent history I will not hold my breath.<br> + <br> + Finally, someone else is as horrified by the poor service and even poorer management as I have been. As I stated above, this place borders on the need to call the health department. I also find it offensive that the employees who read these pages spend so much time attacking the patrons instead of listening to their comments and taking them to heart. I cannot wait until someone else takes this place over, or they lose their lease, or they go under because people start to boycott. I look forward to when the NEXT restaurant opens in this fabulous location. -''DisgustedDiner''<br> + <br> + I am extremely curious as to what gives you the notion our restaurant "borders on the need to call the health department"? That comment is so extremely erroneous it voids most of the author’s credibility. Do they work for the health department? Are they familiar with local health codes? Also, when was the last time a patron was allowed in the kitchen (the area the health department inspects)? Furthermore, part of our kitchen and our entire bar are in plain view of diners and obviously well maintained. Next, I began commenting on this forum for the sole purpose of clarifying misunderstandings in different posts. I have not, nor would I, attacked a patron through this forum. Finally, the Bistro concept has been around for 11 years with huge popularity, major growth, and there will be no NEXT restaurant because we're not going anywhere. --DrewKyler<br> + <br> + I think if you decide to change your reservation when you get there and request a different table with a large party, you've forfeited your right to a quick table. If you were in a hurry you should have taken the available table. She said 15 minutes and it took 25? Boo hoo. If you've worked in a restaurant then you know all too well it's not an exact science. People camp at tables. Likewise, IF your entire bill was comped you have no right to complain about the service, in my opinion. Free food and drinks for a bunch of people, but you had to wait for it? Boo hoo. Please take a step back and realize how spoiled rotten you must be to complain about such treatment. --JeffSpeckles, NOT an employee of Bistro<br> + <br> + ------<br> + ''2006-04-20 10:20:41'' [[nbsp]] I've eaten at Bistro 33 numerous times and have experienced both extremely good, mediocre and irritating. The service seems to be better with smaller groups and more can go wrong with larger ones. The most enjoyable meal that I had there was when my husband and I ate there one evening. The service was excellent, we were seated after a comfortable waiting period, we weren't rushed and the food we ordered was very good. I experienced mediocre when I went there with a small group (8 people) from work at 5:30 pm. There really aren't tables that accomodate a larger group like that. I experienced irritating when I went there with my family for my father's birthday. Parts of the family were seated separately by mistake an we each waited an hour for each other to arrive. This happened even though we told the hostess that we were there for a party. As I think that the majority of the mistakes are made relative to the size of the group, perhaps restaurant management could assign someone to handle the groups --["SharlaDaly"]<br> + * Did you call ahead and make reservations? --["TusharRawat"]<br> + <br> + * Yes, for both of the the groups. No, for the dinner with just my husband. - ["SharlaDaly"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-04-25 10:24:59'' [[nbsp]] i haven't eaten here but I can attest that the Trivia Pub Quiz is really fun, as is the Quiz Mistress. --["RohiniJasavala"]<br> + <br> + ------<br> + 04/28/2006 I have eaten at Bistro many times and am a frequent patron of the bar. I think the service is on the whole good and mistakes are made during busy times. The food is fine for the price, the staff accomodating but what irks me are the patrons who think they are in a glitzy restaurant. Its Davis and though decorated better than most Davis restaurants its still a intermediate if not high low priced place to dine. People that go there have some serious issues if they expect a sommelier and college wait staff kissing their buttocks. But you already knew that, didn't you? --''Jonathan Nasca''<br> + ------<br> + I also have eaten at Bistro 33 and their sister restaurant 33rd St Bistro numerous times. While sometimes I have noticed a delay in food delivery, or water refills, I have always left satisfied and full. Every time anybody walks through those doors, they walk under a big sign that says "Bistro 33". What is a bistro, I ask myself, well according to Webster's dictionary, it is,"a small or unpretentious restaurant." Ok. They didn't get the small part down. For those of you non-UC types, unpretentious is,"free from ostentation, elegance, or affectation : MODEST ." Mmmmmm. Not fine dining. Maybe the owners should have NOT made it so appealing to look at, and dumbed down the menu to please the Davis crowd and give them what they expect. Or maybe the Davis crowd should resist from complaining, not wallow in arrogance and ignorance, and take the Bistro for what is is... A BISTRO! Not fine dining. It's in the name for Christ's sake! Where do you all go for fine dinning, France? I feel comfortable wearing flip-flops and a tube top sitting anywhere inside or out, and I don't get any snooty looks, except from the patrons. -''MollyEvans''<br> + <br> + * Cheers to that! -- DrewKyler<br> + * That still doesn't explain/justify the bad customer service that Bistro 33 is providing. I'm pretty sure us Davis folks don't see the place as "fine dining." PattyLouieJunior<br> + <br> + ------<br> + Wow, people are really passionate about this place! My friends and I have eaten here a couple of times. The food is fine (breakfast both times), but the service was extremely poor. Some waiters/waitresses were working very hard, but some were not, ours included (OK, to be fair she may have been working hard, but nowhere in sight). An hour after finishing our meal, someone (a hostess? I'm not sure) finally got our bill to us, then proceeded to stand over us while we figured out the bill. That was an hour with no coffee or water refills, our finished breakfast plates in front of us. Having a staff member stand over us, chomping her gum, was not a good way to end our meal. I really usually don't complain about this stuff, but a simple "sorry it took us so long" goes a long way! By the way, we all prefer the Riverside Clubhouse in Sacramento, which is owned by the same group - better food, better service.<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-05-13 23:48:21'' [[nbsp]] This place sucks. Yes, I know they have a nice place. It looks hip and all. However, the serice sucks. I went here and ordered a glass of Merlot. I had to wait 5 minutes because they ran out of wine glasses. I waited patiently. Finally, I got my glass of wine. I swirled it and noticed that there was lipstick mark on the glass (totally disgusting...how clean is this place???). I told the bar tender that my glass is dirty. What did he do? He pours my wine in a new glass. I thought that was rude and showed lack of training and hygiene. I asked him that he should really pour me a new wine from the bottle. He smirks and then pours me half a glass of wine. Folks, this place looks nice but it's tacky and dirty. If you decide to go to this place, be mindful of how clean your food and drinks are. A friendly warning. --["JerDiaz"]<br> + <br> + Obviously you will always have the high maintenance types that find something wrong with their dining experience no matter what, but in all honesty, my first and last experience at this place was pretty bad. Here's my list: 1. Long wait, but understandable considering the "popularity" 2. Tiniest table I have ever sat at, nearly rubbing elbows with the couple seated next to us. 3. Sat with our menus down (I thought this was the international "we're ready to order" signal) for an unusually long time waiting to have our orders taken. 4. Worse mojito I have ever had. 5. Gave us two tiny pieces of bread and never even offered to give us more. When we asked, we were given a "look" and given one more tiny piece. 6. Even longer wait for food, arrived luke warm. Would have asked for the food to be warmed up, but after being treated so poorly by the server, didn't see the need. 7. Ridiculously small portions for the price. If it's supposed to be all cute and quaint like a bistro, offer some goddamned prices to match! 8. Even after all this, I still ordered a dessert which was okay, but in no way "made up" for the main course. 9. All in all we ordered over $60 of food and drink between the two of us and were still treated horribly the whole time. I even gave the 15% tip because I'm not an asshole like the server was to us. With that one condescending, evil look and the rest of the experience, I decided just to never come back and to tell as many people as possible about how aweful it was. If you love poor service and ridiculous price/portion ratio, you'll love Bistro 33. Sorry management, these were my honest experiences. ["TylerFelix"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-06-13 14:11:00'' [[nbsp]] My boyfriend and I ate here a few months ago. We ended up ordering three entrees (including one labeled as "large"), and we were still super hungry afterwards. The portions are small. The food itself isn't bad, nothing to write home about, but not terrible. For the portion size, I felt it was expensive. The atmosphere is nice, service was good, and we'll probably try it again, just not when we're so hungry. --["AndreaStewart"]<br> + <br> + I wanted to comment that I think it is strange that an employee thinks that the Health Department is only concerned with the kitchen. As if there would be no Health Code violation for, say, a waitress spitting in a customer's food unless the event took place there. FYI DrewKyler, the Health Department is concerned with the cleanliness of an entire restaurant. And as for your comment about your "not going anywhere".... from the looks of things... pity.<br> + <br> + <br> + What's a pity is longing for the restaurant to close when it is obviously a very popular place for breakfast, lunch, dinner and social events like college night, dancing the bar and Pub Quiz. It reminds me of Menken's definition of puritanism "the haunting feeling that someone , somewhere might be happy," read that as if you don't like the place don't go I will be much happier not having to see, dine with or be in the same 100 square foot zone as people of your ilk. In defense of Mr. Kyler, arguably one of the best servers in Davis, it is obvious that he was not mentioning the kitchen in any exclusionary sense of the disjunct in question , it is obvious to him , me and everyone besides yourself that the rest of the restaurant is exposed and is clean such that it did not warrant consideration by the Health Departments as it speaks for itself. -Jonathan Nasca<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-07-26 14:20:12'' [[nbsp]] I went there last week for a few drinks with a friend. We paid the tab with a credit card and left a 4 dollar tip. The next day my friend happened to look at the receipt and there was a $10 gratiuity charge along with the $4 tip she left. We bought three drinks in all. I dont know if this has happened to anyone else, but please leave a comment if it has. --["JamesSchwab"]<br> + * ''Are you sure the $10 wasn't a [http://www.faqfarm.com/Q/Why_would_a_restaurant_put_a_temporary_charge_on_your_credit_card authorizing charge]? They show up, especially on your internet statement, but if you look carefully, you'll notice that they don't actually apply against your available balance. They also disappear about two days or so later (sometimes a few days). They are how restaurants (and other service places) can run your card and then add a tip later without having to ask for your card again. It's a standard credit card thing (or debit card used as a credit card). Confusing, sometimes upsetting, but utterly standard and it has nothing to do with a scam or anything underhanded.'' -- ["JabberWokky" jw]<br> + * ''As an interesting side note, it could be worse. Some colleges do an authorization charge on [http://www.gdn.edu/admissions/Tuition/guidelines.asp tuition]. Could you image the heart attack when it looks like you've been charged twice for your classes for a few days?'' -- ["JabberWokky" jw]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2006-08-22 11:38:12JimStran <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2005-10-01 01:22:19'' [[nbsp]] Enjoyable Californian Cuisine. I have visited Bistro 33 twice. The first time I visited was actually on their test run a couple days before their real opening. On that day I came with two girlfriends and our 3 kids. The servers were nice, though extremely busy with an influx of customers that I don't think they were expecting. I ordered a wood-fired pizza and a glass of Zinfandel. One of my girlfriends ordered the steak sandwich which they ate with gusto. Our kids had chicken tenders, fries, etc. I found the experience fun and enjoyable. The staff was also quite nice to our kids (this doesn't always happen at fine restuarants.) The second time we visited was with my husband and daughter. I had a delicious house salad and crabcakes. My husband enjoyed the french onion soup<span>&nbsp;and cesar salad. As far as what they need to improve on: I would recommend a seasonal menu or at least a different menu for lunch and dinner. I also thought *some* of the food prices were high. It was $12.95 for two small crabcakes. --["SherryOneal"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-10-02 14:17:33'' [[nbsp]] Had lunch with my girlfriend today at about noon. There were a few too many servers standing around in the corner, but our server (Hollie) was great! I was a little worried coming in, due to some reviews above. It may possibly have been we beat most the lunch crowd. It didn't start filling up until 1ish, when we were leaving. We got the Kennebec Fries, two sandwiches (Puget Sound and the Gorge), and Creme Brulee as a desert - the food was great! Sandwiches were a little smaller then I'd hope for, but with the fries and desert we were full for only about $30. I was surprised that they didn't have a desert menu printed yet.</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2005-10-01 01:22:19'' [[nbsp]] Enjoyable Californian Cuisine. I have visited Bistro 33 twice. The first time I visited was actually on their test run a couple days before their real opening. On that day I came with two girlfriends and our 3 kids. The servers were nice, though extremely busy with an influx of customers that I don't think they were expecting. I ordered a wood-fired pizza and a glass of Zinfandel. One of my girlfriends ordered the steak sandwich which they ate with gusto. Our kids had chicken tenders, fries, etc. I found the experience fun and enjoyable. The staff was also quite nice to our kids (this doesn't always happen at fine restuarants.) The second time we visited was with my husband and daughter. I had a delicious house salad and crabcakes. My husband enjoyed the french onion soup </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 33: </td> <td> Line 31: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * ''2005-10-03 12:51:32'' [[nbsp]] I was probably one of the servers standing around. The time before you get sat is awful because you just sit there feeling useless, there's always food to be delivered but there's only so much food until we get a full house. Hollie IS great. I'm not sure if dessert menus are ever going to be printed to be honest with you. Some of the servers prefer we didn't, some prefer that we do, it's really management's call. Three of our eight desserts change on a near daily basis, so maybe that's why we haven't printed them. Glad to see a greater # of positive reviews now. Just at an employee level I think we've let some loose ends go and have worked out some (but not all) of our kinks. If you want a quiet dinner on a weekend though, I'm not sure if that's possible unless you sit outside on the patio, after around nine we start the metamorphic process of turning into a loud, college bar. The weekend patio/indoor people alway seem happiest. --["AlvinTsao"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-11-17 08:37:15'' The waiter was nice when he found out it was my birthday (from my license). Gave us a free chocolate pate desert, lil candle and all, it was yummy. --["EdwinSaada"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-10-18 22:44:24'' [[nbsp]] I work at another restaurant, and I find the service pretty good. I usually sit at the bar. The food is excellent in my opinion. I like the burger and the paninis, and good clam chowder as well. As for service issues, any new place will have them. Give it a couple months before judging.<br> - <br> - One thing that struck me as odd--a friend and I sat at the bar the very first night Bistro was open and weren't carded. We are both 25, and certainly look close enough to card. In fact I haven't ever been carded in the half dozen or so times I've been there. Alvin, it may be too late if what I hear is true, but tell your mgmt to crack down on checking IDs!!! The ABC has very little tolerance for lazy ID checking. --["JeffSpeckles"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2006-01-19 19:45:03'' [[nbsp]] I was recently in Bistro33 Davis and I have to say that your manager Dave was awesome! He knows what he's doing and made our simple lunch a great experience. The food was not bad, so I'd say if we came back it would only be because of the service Dave showed us. He is an asset to the restaurant and would be to any restaurant! --["TeriJones"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2006-05-12 17:46:22'' [[nbsp]] No place is perfect, but this restaurant is as good as it gets in Davis, imho, the right blend of quality of food, ambiance, presentation, location, and price. I've gone there for dinner about a half-dozen times and each time I'm glad I chose that over some of the other choices in Davis. If I were to design a restaurant it would end up being just like this. The only thing I would change is some of the outside decor and furniture. --["HughToppe"]<br> - <br> - == Mixed ==<br> - <br> - ''2005-09-08 16:30:00'' [[nbsp]] I went to Bistro 33 last Thursday. We were told there would be a 25 minute wait (which turned out to be 100% accurate) before getting our table, so we sat at the rather ample bar. First off, the decor in this place attempts to be ultra modern, but ends up being a bit tedious. The fire columns surrounding the bar are superfluous, but fun to watch. Bar service was prompt and friendly despite how busy it was. Full Sail Pale Ale and Rogue Dead Guy Ale on tap are always welcome by belly, taboot. I didn't order any mixed drinks, so I can't comment on that. After exactly 25 minutes (really!) we were seated outside, thankfully. Inside it seemed hectic and boisterous, but outside the tables were sparsely placed and the atmosphere was more calm. Service was sufficient to keep me happy, but the beer and wine helped with that as well. : ) I believe we ended up getting 3 bread baskets, and there weren't any funny looks from the waitstaff as a result. I can't stand when there's any reticence on a waiter's part when you order extra bread. What is it for, decoration? Anyway, I ordered the Nicoise salmon salad, which I enjoyed thoroughly. The salmon was perfectly cooked and rather moist. The girl I was eating with ordered the meatloaf. I will admit, I've never liked meatloaf, but this was pretty damn tasty, very tender and well spiced. I don't think it was all beef. Some moist mystery meat (pork?) was likely used a filler. We ordered desert, but I don't remember eating it, so no comment. Overall, this place has its issues, but that is to be expected with a new restaurant that is often inundated with people. I will most certainly go back, and will try again to sit outside. Recommended, but YMMV...--["MarcRehfuss"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-09-08 21:21:58'' [[nbsp]] I agree with other commentators that the service sucks. With that many people running around why didn't we get water within 5 mins of sitting down? Why did our appetizer arrive after the salads? I enjoyed the peach catsup with the fries as an appetizer. Also enjoyed the "Puget Sound" panini, although this is not a diet dish (very heavy on the creamy cheese). I would try this restaurant again although I think it would be better to sit outside. --["SamanthaGrant"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-10-02 15:14:11'' [[nbsp]] I went there yesterday with my dad and sister. I thought the food was good but it was overpriced. I thought that I would get my money worth, but I didnt. I paid 19 dollars for the salmon dish and it was small. I'll give Bistro another try if I go there again. --["SimonFung"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2006-01-13 14:53:18'' [[nbsp]] I think they have the best burger in town, but the rest of the food is hit and miss and the service is never what you could call good. The bar is surprisingly clueless: they serve Guinness in an iced glass and don't know that you're supposed to garnish a gin &amp; tonic with a lime. --["ToNils"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2006-01-13 14:53:18'' [[nbsp]] I think they have the best burger in town, but the rest of the food is hit and miss and the service is never what you could call good. The bar is surprisingly clueless: they serve Guinness in an iced glass and don't know that you're supposed to garnish a gin &amp; tonic with a lime. --["ToNils"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-10-16 12:11:12'' [[nbsp]] their drinks are heavily watered down during bar nights, but the guys are hott. I WISH the waitress had spit in our soup...would've made it less salty, at least. --["ApolloStumpy"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-12-29 09:19:50'' [[nbsp]] I visited a server friend of mine at Bistro 33 the other night. I see what people mean about trendy atmosphere, but it wasn't you know, a 5 star restaurant or anything. I sat at the bar and drank a martini, which was pretty good. The bartender was nice and not too attentive (yet still attentive enough). I chatted it up with a girl next to me. She said she liked to come to the bar at Bistro 33 because the people were a bit more professional than the other establishments around Davis. The only food I ordered was fries. I agree with whoever said they were just like In-n-Out fries. I was a tiny-bit disappointed at how fast they came considering they were just damned fries. But, they were decently tasty, and they came with blue-cheese, vinegar and house sauce to dip them in, which was pretty grand. --["SaulSugarman"]<br> - * Do you mean they came too fast, or that they didn't come quickly enough? Your comment is unclear... --["DomenicSantangelo"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-12-25 15:54:28'' [[nbsp]] The Bistro Clam chowder was flavorful and outperformed the Clear Clam Chowder, which had a hearty celery and vegetable flavor but no detectable seafood flavor. The fries were dead-ringers for thin ["In-N-Out"] fries. They went well with the blue cheese dressing, but were overpowered by the malt vinegar and overshadowed by the peach ketchup. The crab and artichoke dip was generous on the crab, and worth the cost. The Crispy Polenta really hit the spot, and offered a combination of savory mushrooms, bitter greens, fontina cheese, and a great crunch. Finally, the creme brulee was well made and enjoyed by the rest of my party, but I enjoyed the cobbler more. I've eaten dinner here three times, and there's been a problem with the service every single time. They've brough out the entrees at different times, brought entrees we didn't even order, brought our appetizers after our entrees, and brought the fries without the side dips. --["CraigBrozinsky"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2006-4-30'' [[nbsp]] I went a few weeks ago with my mother who wanted to sample some Davis cuisine. It took quite a while to be seated but once in the seating area we were served very quickly. Unfortunatly the music was really loud, and the screens were playing sports which was pretty distracting. After mixing up our order with someone elses, we were finally served our meals. The food was great!! Which made up for the rest of the problems. However, the food was a little pricey for how much you got, and it took about 20 minutes for the waiter to get back to us with our check. (i think he took a break) I'd go there again, to see if maybe the service has improved, before writing off this restaurant. -- ["SydneySwartz"]<br> - <br> - == Con Reviews ==<br> - <br> - ''Crappy, rude service.'' They sat 7 of us at a booth that really only fit 6. When we asked for an extra chair, was was really confused at to why the manager gave us hard time and was rude, and furthermore walks around with a pissy look on his face and has no interpersonal skills. Food was decent, when and if we got it. Everyone's food came to the table at different times. They forgot to bring us drinks, and the drinks that were served to us were the wrong ones. The restaurant is so "Chic" it is gaudy, including sparly tiles, stupid looking tapestries on the ceiling, and silly flames behind the bar. Shame they did this to a historic building, it should have been renovated in a more conservative manner-I'm surprised the historical society permitted it. I would definitely not recommend going there, at least until they stop acting like they are doing YOU a big favor.--["StevenJinks"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-09-12 14:37:45'' [[nbsp]] Our waitress was incredibly spacey and ditzy (perhaps she was new?), forgetting to bring us things like more water or ketchup, and screwing up one of our partys' orders. I ordered the coconut prawns, which were pretty tasty, but not at $2 a freaking prawn. The dish was just under $10 and I got five prawns, which left me hungry and angry. Drinks were also quite expensive, but no more so than other fancy establishments (i.e. Cheesecake Factory, Outback, etc). I probably wouldn't go here again unless someone else were paying. --["MargieHalloran"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-09-16 17:10:02'' [[nbsp]] Saturday Night... stopped off for a drink and to sample Davis' new addition... heralded as "classy"; I have nothing to say but trashy. I was rudely yelled at by the bar tender, only to hear from the crowd next to me that he had been acting like an "ass" all night... as if the three feet separating us had somehow been transformed into the grand canyon... did I hear him correctly...? I think the "bistro" had gone to his head... when I answered back equally as loud he threatened me with having me thrown out... this is davis, not LA... and the secret service bouncers outside needed to report back to the white house... this UC Davis, not USC. I stayed long enough to stiff him and fight through the mass of underage drinkers. I'm all for a new bar/restaurant downtown... but no one appreciates an overpriced "ass". --["AustinMerrill"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-09-18 19:17:07'' [[nbsp]] If you want wood-oven, gourmet pizza, this is ''not'' the place to go. My friends and I ordered three types of pizza: BBQ chicken, mushroom, and pepperoni/sausage. Aside from the pizzas' quality (sparse and mediocre toppings) and quantity (only eight inches) being incommensurate with the price ($9.95), the service was inattentive. If only Davis had an [http://www.ilvicino.com/ilvicino/index.asp Il Vicino]! --["ZacharyNorwood"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-09-22 00:53:42'' [[nbsp]] I've gone to Bistro 33 twice. The 1st time was for lunch and the food was overpriced and some food was disagreeable. I agree with the previous review regarding their 2 chowders and their service was slow but reasonable. I gave them a 2nd chance for a snack at 11 PM. Although the kitchen is open till midnight, the bouncers were out in force and were rude and demanded ID. I know that's their job but I told them off the bat that I only wanted dinner but they demanded ID regardless during their power trip. After dealing with the asses at the gate, I stood at the hostess station but didn't see a greeter and left soon afterward. I wouldn't mind if the service was like this at a club but if the restaurant's kitchen is still open, I expect to be treated as a customer who simply wants food. I was insulted to be treated like a criminal by the bouncers and ignored by the staff. I'm never going back. --["LiRic"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-10-02 10:54:57'' [[nbsp]] The food was pretty good, but there was hardly enough of it. My entree was a grand total of FIVE ravioli. Five! So my boyfriend and I actually ended up getting three entrees, and we were still hungry afterwards. The atmosphere was so-so. If you want a nice night out, go to Soga's or the Mustard Seed. They have better food, more food, and a nicer atmosphere. --["AndreaStewart"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-10-16 18:04:39'' [[nbsp]] ''Decent food, but not always worth the price.'' I went to Bistro 33 for my first time at lunch today. I ordered the crab cakes and the Puget Sound panini. Both were delicious. However, the prices leave something to be desired. The panini wasn't too expensive for what I got, but the crab cakes? I ordered them to split with another person. At $12.95, we figured we'd get a decent amount of crab cakes and we got two. TWO. The crab cakes were good, but not worth over $6 per cake. Service was so-so. Our server was absent for long periods of time and sometimes missed things we'd ask for, but not too horrible. --["RachelPeters"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-10-18'' [[nbsp]] I wrote a comment about how one of the waitresses was rude to a group of my frineds who happened to be leaving when I arrived one evening. My friends got their food paid for that night. On another occasion, I was assigned to the same woman's section, and she told me she had spit in our food. I notice that my discussion of this event is missing from this page, possibly because I did not list my name. Because there are several other comments by people who do not use their name, I kindly request that this note be left up, as it discusses the restaurant and is relevant. Unfortunately, none of the comments on this site can be verified, or shown to be untrue. But if we are to leave one up, we should leave them all. --["DisgustedDiner"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-12-05 19:13:50'' [[nbsp]] I had the Pudget Sound panini and it was devoid of any vegetables and that made the sandwich taste starchy, so I put the side salad on top of it. Overall, better sandwiches at Delta or the Nugget for a fraction of the price. As for the atmosphere, it's bleh to me, but I'm not into the cute-dressing-up-ness. Also, the outside decor reminded me of SF's Holocaust Memorial, not to relate the two at such a shallow level. --["ShayneErw"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-12-12 12:56:19'' [[nbsp]] Very Bad service, not very good food... The food was partialy OK mostly not good (for example the onion soup or the mushroom reviouly) the pizza got to the table cold and was heated in the microwave in 10 second. The wine was opened served into a dirty glass then pour to everyone without even the option to taste (she actually move the wine from the lipstick makred glass to a different one and left it to us !!!) and then the kids menu came with chicken fingers with 3 smily fies and then when we asked for addition (3!!, who's child will have enough) we were charged for it. The hair in the creme broule was a simbolic ending for a place that doesn't worth it, and defintly doesn't worth 30 mintues wait for a table --["GilCo"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-12-12 18:02:09'' [[nbsp]] I wonder if the management of Bistro 33 reads this page? Most of these problems would be SO easy to fix, and customers would be much happier. So much potential at this very nice location with a pleasant (although perhaps slightly overpriced) menu. I also one time, ordered a menu item that was completely innacurate in its description. Just little stupid things like that need to be overcome, if they're going to be as excellent as they potentially could be. --["JaimeRaba"]<br> - * I know for a fact that the management does read this page on occassion. Regarding the error on our menu, if you could be more specific, I could look into it. However, I do know that we have re-printed our menus once already (within the first month if I can remember accurately) to make them more accurate, but perhaps that needs to be done again? Also, I don't know if it's directly because of this page, but we've made a few changed to how we serve our customers, and other minor changes like printing out dessert/children's menus. Even if it may not seem like it always to the customers, we're constantly learning how to better serve our customers, and from my perspective it seems as though for the large part, we're succeeding (of course not always, mistakes are unfortunately human). Bistro doesn't have a microwave on its premises. --["AlvinTsao"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-12-18 22:01:50'' [[nbsp]] The bouncers here are complete assholes. They make the guests feel unwelcome. --["HenWeigh"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-12-19 08:37:34'' [[nbsp]] I was a little disappointed by the quality of the service, the salted cheesecake, the fries and the artichoke dip. None of them were high quality. --["JackHaskel"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2005-12-19 13:53:15'' [[nbsp]] went there Friday 12/16- will probably never go again. When we came in at 5:30 we were told it would be a 30 min wait, it ended up being 50 mins. The hostess apologized and was really friendly though. Then we were seated in a booth but we had 6 people ( 4 adults+2 kids). Because the bar is too close to the boothes, we kept getting elbowed by everyone who would walk by...We were given kids menus but the server didn't give the kids the drinks and fries that were supposed to come with the meal-we asked and she had to look at the menu to make sure that they were really supposed to get drinks but said the fries were a typo and they hadn't taken it off the menus yet. She gave us the fries anyway. For the money one pays, this is definitly not worth it. It was way too loud, cramped, and overpriced. Just not worth it overall. --["MyaBrn"]<br> - -------<br> - ''2006-04-30 13:39:02'' [[nbsp]] The girl who seated us seemed like Bistro was the last place she wanted to be, and I saw why. The waitress asked my friend and I whether anyone had taken care of us and she did, but then a different waitress brought the food out to us. After she took our orders, she forgot to remove the menus. The same one spilled glasses of Bloody Mary's on the patrons behind us, and she went around asking who had ordered the vegetable frittata. A waiter placed s&amp;p shakers on all the tables while we waited for our food (they should've been there when we sat down). The Northwest Scramble was tasty and very filling, but was not at all seasoned. I asked for some butter and the waitress who brought the food out (a blonde with a long ponytail) replied, "It's already on the bread." WOW. If I want more butter, gimme more butter, dammit! I wonder what she would've said if I'd asked for jam. My friend was impressed that they even had sourdough bread. The potatoes were very bland. At least our water glasses were topped off when they emptied, but if that goes to show how long we had to wait for the food. Considering how much we paid and that it's a "bistro", I would've expected much better service. Brunch would've been a total disaster if I didn't have good company. --["JennaChan"]<br> - <br> - <br> - [[Comments(Opinions and Reviews)]]<br> - <br> - --&gt;[[Include(IntegrateComments)]]&lt;--<br> - ------<br> - ''2005-09-25 00:43:52'' [[nbsp]] So I heard that one of the investors got tazered and the manager got fired because of an incident last week. Apparently the investor's bimbo girlfriend got upset when the investor was talking to anthoer girl, and broke a candle over his head. Someone called the cops, who showed up and tried to break up the fight. The investor got all up in the cop's faces, and tried to put one of the cops in a headlock. The investor was arrested, and put in the back of the cop car, at which point, the bimbo he was with, went around to the other side of the cop car and let him out and he started running down the street. The cops the tazered him and took him to jail. The next day, the cops met with the manager, who came to the meeting drunk. The cops said, ok, fine we'll just take your liquor liscence. And Bistro 33 fired the manager as recompense for the incident. --["ArlenAbraham"]<br> - * OK. Can we please keep comments that aren't about food or service off this page? Or at least place create a page for it elsewhere? This was such an exaggeration based on a shred of truth. Negative comments are valid, but libel/slander is not. I think it'd be bad form for me to make these changes, but if one of our great wiki gnomes could either start a page up for these rumors or just delete it like the comment people had problems with before I would be much obliged. I'm a server now, come sit in my section and I'll make sure everything runs smoothly for you. --["AlvinTsao"]<br> - * So, what actually happened? --["EdwinSaada"]<br> - * I promise to tell all that I know as soon as we can get another page to put it in, kind of like what the wiki community did for the Sigma Chi page. I don't care if there are negative comments on this page regarding food/service, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if there's another place to address rumors that'd be great. I also think this is true of the Sam's Mediterranean page. Unless there's hard proof and it concerns the actual dining experience it should go somewhere else. --["AlvinTsao"]<br> - * I heard it from a reliable source, and I'm going to stand by my hilarious story. You said ''"This was such an exaggeration based on a shred of truth."'' Do you know what actually happend? I've heard the same story from two reliable sources. - ["arlenabraham" arlen]<br> - ------<br> - ''2005-11-20 21:40:23'' [[nbsp]] So I just came back from this restaurant. Note that I only had about 75 dollars in my bank account at the time, so every penny means the world to me. But I went to this restaurant for a one year anniversary. The food was alright, and the service was nice. But when I came back home to check my available balance, I found out that I was overcharged. What the hell!!! So I thought I tipped quite generously, but I was ripped off of a very precious 2 dollars. 2 dollars could have paid for a very cheap meal the next day, but oh no... this restaurant took away the money I needed for survival. I am not returning ever again. It's only two dollars, but it's the principle of it all. --["KimYee"]<br> - * Check again in 3 days. That's a standard credit-card procedure with many restaurants, you'll only notice if you check online. A lot of places run the bill + 20% or something like that through the machine when they first scan it just to make sure it will go through (not be denied). They then later run the right amount and the charge is removed. Usually takes a couple business days before it finalizes for online statements. --["EdwinSaada"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2005-12-19 09:01:18'' [[nbsp]] I still have yet to go to this place to eat, but I have a friend who works as a server there. She says that when Bistro opened, a lot of the servers were green (did not have like, much to any experience serving) and that is what resulted in "a lot of bad reviews on the Davis Wiki." She's not a wikiholic, so I guess someone is talking about the fact that so many Davis residents are displeased with the quality of the service. I also heard (and right now, this is just a rumor until someone confirms it) that someone injured themselves very badly on the concrete patio on a bar night; effectively killing Bistro as a happening bar spot in Davis. --["SaulSugarman"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-01-20 00:52:31'' [[nbsp]] I was there tonight and I thought it was a nice experience. My only gripe was that the waitress was a bit slow. The first thing I noticed on the menu was how the prices seemed to form a gaussian around $9, which is a reasonable price for a dinner meal. I wonder what people would consider to be a good price for, say, a "Butternut Squash and Green Apple Soup"? I'm guessing some people want fancy food on the same pricing scheme as a Wendy's dollar menu. To which, I say, "Okay, there's a Wendy's on W. Cowell St. See ya." --["JesseSingh"]<br> - * Food cost at a restaurant is usually 25-30% of the menu price. A "serving" is 8 oz of soup. Math: If a butternut costs $2 ($0.89-1.19/lb), green apples cost $1/ea and you use three of them, and chicken broth costs $2/qt, then ingredient cost for 8 servings = $(2+3+2+2), or $1.13/serving--if you ignore the volume contributed by the squash and apples. $9 worth of ingredients probably yields at least 12 servings, at $0.75 each. Soup should be on the menu for $5 at most, but does go on the dollar menu for base costs. I've never eaten at Bistro 33 so this formula is pure speculation, but I hope my point is clear. --["JudithTruman"]<br> - * I can see the point you're trying to make, but I think your formula is waaay oversimplified. It completely fails to take into account numerous other important factors of eating in a restaurant. You aren't just paying for the meal when you sit down in a restaurant, you're paying a small part of the employees' salaries, the power bill, the water bill, the probably enormous property taxes, the general ambience, etc. And , of course, they're not selling food at cost, they're making a little profit as well. All those things add to the price. So I still don't know what people expect to pay at Bistro 33, except I do know that I showed up there on a Thursday night, and the place was packed. --["JesseSingh"]<br> - * I've responded to this site as an employee of Bistro 33, but I'm replying to this post as just another guy. As someone who really likes to cook, I know how expensive making certain things (like Cioppino for instance) can be. Now I'm sure our butternut/apple soup is no where as expensive as cioppino but there are a lot of ingredients that I can guess (I don't know for sure at this moment) that's in our soup (onions, creme fraiche, etc) that you aren't accounting for. I've made a lot of dinners for my friends where the final bill was 30-40 bucks more than I expected because of the more "insignificant" ingredients. But of course not all of it is based on the food itself as Singh pointed out. Besides..Bistro making a profit keeps me working.<br> - --["AlvinTsao"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-02-01 22:02:26'' [[nbsp]] I am really confused as to why there's a menu rather than a link to one; maybe if one had prices... --["JaimeRaba"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-02-03 03:59:59'' [[nbsp]] I'm continually amused at people's restaurant reviews where the author begins by saying something to the effect of: "The food was pricey." Guess what, you're eating at a restaurant. They can charge whatever they want. I've eaten at plenty of "pricey" restaurants, and surprise-surprise, the food usually isn't as shitty as what you would find in a 'cheap' place, like a Burger King or some other dump. Judith: I'd like to try some of the drugs you're on, because I'd have a blast oversimplifying how much to charge patrons for a cup of soup. --["JohnNapier"]<br> - * I've attended lectures/taken exams on food costing, the formulaic approach to determining menu prices for restaurants. My medications have nothing to do with this discourse. If you'd like to borrow my rose-colored glasses, that's a different story. --["JudithTruman" JT]<br> - <br> - I will dampen your blast, John, with an explanation:<br> - <br> - Food Costing begins with a few facts about wholesale prices of each raw ingredient, and then calculates the cost of the prepared product. Each food item on the inventory list has a waste% so that restaurants can order enough raw product to cover their prepared product needs. Five pounds of raw potatoes will not yield five pounds of peeled potatoes, so if you need 5lbs peeled potatoes, you've got to order 6-7 lbs potatoes, depending on potato size. Things like fluid milk or dry pasta have no waste associated with their use for inventory purposes. Restaurants aim for Cost of Food to be 25-30% of the menu price, modified to account for regional norms and to eliminate numbers that look way-off-scale compared to the rest of the menu. For example, if oranges cost $X/lb, and yield Y oz/juice per pound of oranges, then the juice costs $X per Y oz, and will be on the menu for 3-4 times that price, which may be more than a customer would expect to pay for a glass of orange juice. At that point, a restaurant may decide that frozen oj from concentrate is good enough, and will keep costs down. Other fruit juices on the menu would probably be listed at the same price as the orange juice. If grape costs $1, people might pay $3 for orange, but probably not be willing to pay $14 for fresh pineapple juice. As Jesse said above, the other 65-70% of the cost is for labor wages, overhead (rent/utilities), depreciation of equipment, taxes, furniture/decorations (pretty stuff costs more), and other business expenses, plus profit. I understand that the restaurant industry considers 5% net profit to be very good. --["JudithTruman" JT]<br> - <br> - * Thanks for the explanation on food costing, Judith, and I apologize for sounding like an asshole in my previous post. The truth is, I'm something of an asshole offline, so don't take it personally. Certainly, costing is a convoluted process that involves many inputs and considerations of alternatives, but determining how much you are actually able to get out of the consumer is entirely up to the market, as far as I'm concerned. Restaurants are able to stay in business by pricing their inventory and service with the market. When the market demand is high, you ask for the moon, like everyone else. Why? Because you have constraints like a limited amount of seating, service times, costs associated with serving patrons, etc., etc. Why charge lower prices than necessary when the business is going gangbusters and you have a large number of patrons flocking to the restaurant? Especially when your business is relatively new and popular, like the case with the Bistro. Charging high enough prices to skim off demand that is willing to pay those prices (enough only such that your business is still slightly below capacity) is a shrewd business move, so long as the patrons come back and encourage more business. If Bistro is doing that, successfully, then good for them. --["JohnNapier"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-02-03 06:34:47'' [[nbsp]] are you a retard? People complain when food is pricey and isn't good enough to match the price. --["ApolloStumpy"]<br> - * Who is this directed at? --["JudithTruman" JT]<br> - * Cute little smartass insult, Apollo. How exactly do you determine if the quality is matching the price? It's a popular restaurant, so certainly some people think it is worth the price, despite your opinion. How do you know what the price 'should' hypothetically be, anyway? Are you a respected professional restaurant reviewer, labor union foreman, property appraiser, accounting consultant, and food costing specialist, all rolled into one? Newsflash: things like 'good' and 'tastes good' are subjective bullshit opinions that are as often agreed upon as disagreed upon. Furthermore, eating in a quasi-good restaurant is routinely more expensive than making your own food, unless you live in a region (i.e. Manhattan) with a limited number of accessable bulk-priced grocery stores or all you eat is shit in McDonalds. So, your fantasy of what the price 'should be' is likely diluted with what you know about the actual cost of the ingredients involved in concocting a similar meal. But, I guess I'll go back to trying to bite my own ear now, because I'm retarded. --["JohnNapier"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-02-06 12:51:01'' [[nbsp]] After reading all of the above, I had the opportunity to check this place out for myself. On a Saturday night, the wait time was about 40 minutes. We managed to get a spot at a bar table quickly and were able to order food from there. We ordered the fries appetizer, I had a steak sandwich, and my companions tried the meatloaf and the fettucini with seared prawns. The wait staff was friendly, as was our waiter. The appetizer arrived at the same time as our dinner, which was odd, and somewhat disappointing. But the fries were very good -- they looked like in-and-out fries, but tasted much better. The ranch/blue cheese dip for them was particularily good. My steak sandwich was excellent, although it came with shoestring potatos that were so skinny it was like trying to eat a bunch of toothpicks. They were tasty, but it took way too much effort to gather all of them up in a manageable way. My companions said the meatloaf and fettucini were both excellent. Overall, dinner cost about $55 for the three of us (after tax/tip), and that's drinking mostly water. A tad on the pricy side for the size of the portions you get, but the food was very good. I would go back. --["AlexPomeranz"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-02-06 16:19:45'' [[nbsp]] I've been here several times and always liked it, but about 3 weeks ago we had a pretty crappy experience. Went there for some drinks and appetizers, everything was fine (though I do not recommend the black raspberry cooler, tasted horrible imo, but hey, it happens when you order randomly). But some server walking by dropped a cup, and the contents splashed over two of our party members. It wasn't much, but him and someone else scurried over with napkins, and kept saying "its not much" or "not too bad, sorry". It did take them a few minutes to wipe clean her jacket from the chair, and her back as well. Our friend next to her got splashed as well but he wasn't lucky enough to get a wipe down. I understand accidents happen, but I thought it was pretty lame they just tried to hide/clean it up asap with napkins and downplay it. I was hoping he'd comp us some drinks or an appetizer to make up for it. But I didn't want to make a big deal out of it and kill the group mood. --["EdwinSaada"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-02-08 23:18:28'' [[nbsp]] Happy Hour? How about Sour Hour? After debating the merits of every bar's Happy Hour, my friends and I decided to try Bistro's because it seemed like a fairly good deal for the environment. Needless to say, it was NOT Happy Hour although we got there circa 5:20PM and Wiki says that Bistro's Happy Hour ends at 6PM. The drinks were full priced and horrible. Three drinks were ordered: A Cran/Vodka, a Seabreeze and a Bloody Mary. The Cran/Vodka was watered down, the Seabreeze was made incorrectly and the Bloody Mary was HORRIBLE--too much celery flavor and pepper. The bartender was not at all friendly and didn't ask how the Bloody Mary should be made. Granted, I could have said a few modifications however I was curious to see what the "standard" BM would be at Bistro. Along with a celery stalk, I was given an olive and a wedge of lime. The lime was old and the skin was brown--ewww! Overall, presentation was too much. So much for Bistro! =( --["KarlaFung"] How did they make the Seabreeze wrong, out of curiosity?<br> - --Well, I didn't taste it, but my friend who got it said that they mixed up the juice. Maybe he thought "Bay Breeze"? Either way, 3 people were quite unhappy with drinks that they usually get.<br> - <br> - Went here for Valentine's recently. Decor is comfortable and nice, and atomsphere is very chill. There are some big flat panel tvs near the bar for sports, but a quieter atmoshphere for couples and the like is available in the front courtyard and the rear of the restaurant. Service is good with little wait time for reservations (we were 10 minutes late for ours). We ordered the bleu cheese/vinegar/peach ketchup fries for appetizer, roasted salmon and mushroom ravioli for entree, and cheesecake for dessert. All of them tasted pretty good, although the portions were quite small for the price (except the cheesecake, which was probably enough for 3 people). Cost a total of 50 bucks. Good for any occasion, if you have the money to spare. --["ArnoldLau"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-03-05 08:14:32'' [[nbsp]] Excellent service; my brother-in-law phone-ordered a gift certificate for us for Christmas. A staff member was concerned that the mail would be too slow, so he hand-delivered the gift certificate to our house. Staff members are always friendly and some have even remembered our previous orders. --["JenThornton"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-03-15 21:24:30'' [[nbsp]] Pancetta prawns is the best. I liked the burger as well. The place looks really nice but the food isn't that great and is overpriced. For breakfast I reccomend the waffle or french toast byt not the crab omelette they barely give you any crab. Service is iffy they're good sometimes and bad sometimes. --["JessicaFu"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-03-25 08:45:41'' [[nbsp]] Went there with my boyfriend on a rainy day and wasn't terribly impressed. Our waiter was attentive, but kind of odd in general. When telling us the soup of the day he started with "I know this isn't very exciting, but our soup of the day is....". I mean, c'mon, you just don't do that. Also, the table we had was kind of squeezed in the corner in a very odd shape. We kept accidentally kicking each other because of the narrowness. The portions were indeed small, but I'm okay with that as long as the food is quality. Honestly though, this food wasn't anything to write home about. I had the meatloaf, which was decent, and Luke had the steak sandwich, which he couldn't even eat. Our appetizers(chips and dip, toasted cheese ravioli) were pretty good. I liked the citrus flair in the salsa and guacomole. --["JillWeinstein"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-03-29 14:51:26'' [[nbsp]] I've been there once. Some of the food portions are decent for the price charged, while other portions are too small (otherwise known as overpriced). That probably wouldn't have bothered us too much had we not noticed the 18% gratuity added for groups of six or more (surprise, surpirse, we had exactly six people). Also, our server was very eager to recommend some dinner (I forgot what it was) at least five times. She also seemed insistent on taking our plates the minute we seemed to have finished our food, even if we truely hadn't. Overall, I'd like to see the service be a little slower, a little friendlier to serve the interests of the customers -- not those of the establishment. The food, however, was pretty good. I would go there again for sure, but not very frequently. --["TusharRawat"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-04-10 20:37:47'' [[nbsp]] After seeing the bad reviews this place got, I was hesitent to try it, yet did end up going with many chaps from my dorm for a friend's birthday. The food was way to expensive, and even charged us 10$ for bringing out a prebought cake. Positively, the Shrimp Cigars were uber good - at least with the colored (plum?) sauce. If I go back, I'll probably order that again. The Salmon sandwich was way too small and poor tasting. At least it came with more mini french fries than I could eat. I'd go back if they make their prices more reasonable, probably. --["JosephBleckman"]<br> - <br> - ------<br> - On Wednesday evening a group of four girlfriends and I went to the Bistro for a friend's birthday with dinner reservations at 6:15. Arriving on time, the hostess told us there would be a 10-15 minute wait for a table outside; it took 25 minutes while a large party of 10+ and a party of 2 (all of whom arrived after us) were seated. Once at our table our waitress got us our drinks and took our order, however ONE AND A HALF hours later (at 7:45) after making 2 inquiries with a hostess who ignored us, we were told our dinner would be out immediately along with the manager per our request. When the salads, sandwiches, and my small appetizer of fries finally arrive along with the manager (Kurt) we explain how rude it was to have such a long wait for seating, attention, and food at 6pm on a Wednesday. Unapologetically he cuts my friend off with, "I don't get it? What are you trying to say?" What my party and I were trying to communicate was that we have never been treated so poorly in any other establishment in Davis and we deserved no such treatment; we will be pursing this matter through the proper channels. ''So therefore I would like to warn all readers that this second rate, poor excuse for a restaurant does not deserve your business, the management was rude, the service inept and I hope no one else will have to suffer such treatment. Stay Away!'' --["LisaBeth"]<br> - <br> - I am a server at Bistro 33 and was working during the incident Ms. Beth has described. While I regret she did not enjoy her dining experience at Bistro, it seems a bit trifling that she has gone out of her way to leave out several key details in her comment, which I wish to clarify. To begin, when Ms. Beth's party arrived at Bistro we had our VIP table (overlooking the bar) prepared and we were ready to seat them immediately. However, upon arrival, her party requested a table on our patio, something that wasn't immediately available for them due to parties already dining on the patio and reservations which had specifically requested tables on the patio (which would also explain why two other parties, both with reservations and pre-made requests for patio tables, were seated). Furthermore, Ms. Beth's party was able to, and in fact did, wait at the bar where they enjoyed cocktails and the service of our bar staff until their table was ready. There is no dispute that, through absolutely no fault of the people mentioned (hostess, server, and manager) there was a slight delay in the delivery of food. Firstly, however, besides notifying the pertinent server of the inquiry, which was done twice, the hostess is obligated to remain at her station and has done nothing in her career at Bistro to suggest she would ignore a patron.<br> - <br> - Next, I have never dined in a restaurant where you could start counting the time it took to receive a meal from the moment you are scheduled to walk in the door. After deducting time for a short wait, a trip to the bar, and the formalities of being greeted by the server, the actual wait time was far shorter for the 1 ½ hours quoted. I would also like to point out the inconsistency in times mentioned (6:15 and then 6), as well as the fact that the management obviously has no control over the weather and its ability to draw an unusually large Wednesday night crowd. Finally, Kurt is well known by staff and patrons alike as a very gracious and helpful manager. He did, in fact, communicate with the party to try and understand the problem (it was, after all, the first he’d heard of it), offer an apology for the unusual, but in my personal opinion not unbearable, wait time, and proceed to discount the party's entire bill to $0. In conclusion, I would like to sincerely apologize that, in what is becoming a far less frequent occurrence at Bistro, mistakes are made. However, I happen to know that the staff on the night in question, and Kurt specifically, went out of their way to accommodate the party’s requests and did everything possible to rectify the situation that ensued, including comping the whole meal, and to no avail. It was unfortunate but completely out of the staff’s control. A mistake was made (unfortunately they are human) and we did out best to fix it, bottom line. I find it hard to believe anyone could feel that one mistake, coupled with a short wait due only to the party’s seating preference, could justify such a vicious attack on Bistro in such an unjustified and uncalled for way. Having worked at several restaurants in Davis, I dare you to find one where mistakes aren’t made. ["Drew Kyler"]<br> - <br> - <br> - First and foremost I would like to say I am pleased to know that employees from the establishments in the area read this website and try to account for the opinions posted on this site. However, Mr. Kyler’s account of the evening was faulty and blatantly false in many points. Although, I am sure Mr. Kyler was at the restaurant the evening in question he was neither at my table, nor present during the inquiries with the hostesses, waitress nor with Kurt. To begin, this was the first time any of our party had been to the Bistro 33 and when we made reservations we were never offered or told that patio seating was even an option, thus when we arrived we did make a change. Second, although the manager Kurt may be gracious and helpful to others he was everything but so to our party. After speaking twice to the waitress and hostesses, Kurt came to our table and offered no apology (a fact to which I have four people attesting to) and where Mr. Kyler was not present. My party and I were willing to stay had we been offered an explanation or an apology from management, but our final decision to leave was based solely on the fact that we were treated rudely by Kurt. Kurt did not go out of his way to accommodate us; again he offered no apology, cut us off during our explanation, failed to see our point (I quote verbatim, “I don’t get it? What are you trying to say?”) and offered us no compensation what so ever. He never offered us to compensate the price of our meal as Mr. Kyler states, because had he done so we would have stayed due to the fact that is was a friend’s birthday dinner. Finally, although I understand that due to the reasonably warm weather that day a restaurant like the Bistro might experience an influx of patrons wanting to sit on the patio, but waiting till 7:45 pm (the time my party finally received our food before leaving) for two sandwiches, two salads and an order of fries is ridiculous.<br> - <br> - Our request for good service, or in this case any service, is neither unreasonable nor unjustified and the comments I made were neither vicious nor uncalled for, they are honest and just. I stand by my opinion, and while I appreciate Mr. Kyler’s attention to this matter and his general apology, I maintain that the service was poor and that we were treated unfairly. In all fairness, I do concede two points; 1) the reservations were in fact made for 6:15 pm, I was told 6 pm so that was my mistake (however the wait time was 25 minutes not 10-15 as we were told), 2) the waitress did apologize, but offered us no explanation, or compensation and did leave our party unattended for an hour until we sought her attention (which was when we asked to speak to the management). Having worked in restaurants and in customer service in and outside of Davis I can also understand that mistakes are made, however my point is that I have never experienced bad service of this magnitude (between the hostesses, waitress and management) and I would like to keep others from having their evening ruined by poor service. At this point nothing short of an apology from the management would rectify this situation or change my opinion of this restaurant, however based on recent history I will not hold my breath.<br> - <br> - Finally, someone else is as horrified by the poor service and even poorer management as I have been. As I stated above, this place borders on the need to call the health department. I also find it offensive that the employees who read these pages spend so much time attacking the patrons instead of listening to their comments and taking them to heart. I cannot wait until someone else takes this place over, or they lose their lease, or they go under because people start to boycott. I look forward to when the NEXT restaurant opens in this fabulous location. -''DisgustedDiner''<br> - <br> - I am extremely curious as to what gives you the notion our restaurant "borders on the need to call the health department"? That comment is so extremely erroneous it voids most of the author’s credibility. Do they work for the health department? Are they familiar with local health codes? Also, when was the last time a patron was allowed in the kitchen (the area the health department inspects)? Furthermore, part of our kitchen and our entire bar are in plain view of diners and obviously well maintained. Next, I began commenting on this forum for the sole purpose of clarifying misunderstandings in different posts. I have not, nor would I, attacked a patron through this forum. Finally, the Bistro concept has been around for 11 years with huge popularity, major growth, and there will be no NEXT restaurant because we're not going anywhere. --DrewKyler<br> - <br> - I think if you decide to change your reservation when you get there and request a different table with a large party, you've forfeited your right to a quick table. If you were in a hurry you should have taken the available table. She said 15 minutes and it took 25? Boo hoo. If you've worked in a restaurant then you know all too well it's not an exact science. People camp at tables. Likewise, IF your entire bill was comped you have no right to complain about the service, in my opinion. Free food and drinks for a bunch of people, but you had to wait for it? Boo hoo. Please take a step back and realize how spoiled rotten you must be to complain about such treatment. --JeffSpeckles, NOT an employee of Bistro<br> - <br> - ------<br> - ''2006-04-20 10:20:41'' [[nbsp]] I've eaten at Bistro 33 numerous times and have experienced both extremely good, mediocre and irritating. The service seems to be better with smaller groups and more can go wrong with larger ones. The most enjoyable meal that I had there was when my husband and I ate there one evening. The service was excellent, we were seated after a comfortable waiting period, we weren't rushed and the food we ordered was very good. I experienced mediocre when I went there with a small group (8 people) from work at 5:30 pm. There really aren't tables that accomodate a larger group like that. I experienced irritating when I went there with my family for my father's birthday. Parts of the family were seated separately by mistake an we each waited an hour for each other to arrive. This happened even though we told the hostess that we were there for a party. As I think that the majority of the mistakes are made relative to the size of the group, perhaps restaurant management could assign someone to handle the groups --["SharlaDaly"]<br> - * Did you call ahead and make reservations? --["TusharRawat"]<br> - <br> - * Yes, for both of the the groups. No, for the dinner with just my husband. - ["SharlaDaly"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-04-25 10:24:59'' [[nbsp]] i haven't eaten here but I can attest that the Trivia Pub Quiz is really fun, as is the Quiz Mistress. --["RohiniJasavala"]<br> - <br> - ------<br> - 04/28/2006 I have eaten at Bistro many times and am a frequent patron of the bar. I think the service is on the whole good and mistakes are made during busy times. The food is fine for the price, the staff accomodating but what irks me are the patrons who think they are in a glitzy restaurant. Its Davis and though decorated better than most Davis restaurants its still a intermediate if not high low priced place to dine. People that go there have some serious issues if they expect a sommelier and college wait staff kissing their buttocks. But you already knew that, didn't you? --''Jonathan Nasca''<br> - ------<br> - I also have eaten at Bistro 33 and their sister restaurant 33rd St Bistro numerous times. While sometimes I have noticed a delay in food delivery, or water refills, I have always left satisfied and full. Every time anybody walks through those doors, they walk under a big sign that says "Bistro 33". What is a bistro, I ask myself, well according to Webster's dictionary, it is,"a small or unpretentious restaurant." Ok. They didn't get the small part down. For those of you non-UC types, unpretentious is,"free from ostentation, elegance, or affectation : MODEST ." Mmmmmm. Not fine dining. Maybe the owners should have NOT made it so appealing to look at, and dumbed down the menu to please the Davis crowd and give them what they expect. Or maybe the Davis crowd should resist from complaining, not wallow in arrogance and ignorance, and take the Bistro for what is is... A BISTRO! Not fine dining. It's in the name for Christ's sake! Where do you all go for fine dinning, France? I feel comfortable wearing flip-flops and a tube top sitting anywhere inside or out, and I don't get any snooty looks, except from the patrons. -''MollyEvans''<br> - <br> - * Cheers to that! -- DrewKyler<br> - * That still doesn't explain/justify the bad customer service that Bistro 33 is providing. I'm pretty sure us Davis folks don't see the place as "fine dining." PattyLouieJunior<br> - <br> - ------<br> - Wow, people are really passionate about this place! My friends and I have eaten here a couple of times. The food is fine (breakfast both times), but the service was extremely poor. Some waiters/waitresses were working very hard, but some were not, ours included (OK, to be fair she may have been working hard, but nowhere in sight). An hour after finishing our meal, someone (a hostess? I'm not sure) finally got our bill to us, then proceeded to stand over us while we figured out the bill. That was an hour with no coffee or water refills, our finished breakfast plates in front of us. Having a staff member stand over us, chomping her gum, was not a good way to end our meal. I really usually don't complain about this stuff, but a simple "sorry it took us so long" goes a long way! By the way, we all prefer the Riverside Clubhouse in Sacramento, which is owned by the same group - better food, better service.<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-05-13 23:48:21'' [[nbsp]] This place sucks. Yes, I know they have a nice place. It looks hip and all. However, the serice sucks. I went here and ordered a glass of Merlot. I had to wait 5 minutes because they ran out of wine glasses. I waited patiently. Finally, I got my glass of wine. I swirled it and noticed that there was lipstick mark on the glass (totally disgusting...how clean is this place???). I told the bar tender that my glass is dirty. What did he do? He pours my wine in a new glass. I thought that was rude and showed lack of training and hygiene. I asked him that he should really pour me a new wine from the bottle. He smirks and then pours me half a glass of wine. Folks, this place looks nice but it's tacky and dirty. If you decide to go to this place, be mindful of how clean your food and drinks are. A friendly warning. --["JerDiaz"]<br> - <br> - Obviously you will always have the high maintenance types that find something wrong with their dining experience no matter what, but in all honesty, my first and last experience at this place was pretty bad. Here's my list: 1. Long wait, but understandable considering the "popularity" 2. Tiniest table I have ever sat at, nearly rubbing elbows with the couple seated next to us. 3. Sat with our menus down (I thought this was the international "we're ready to order" signal) for an unusually long time waiting to have our orders taken. 4. Worse mojito I have ever had. 5. Gave us two tiny pieces of bread and never even offered to give us more. When we asked, we were given a "look" and given one more tiny piece. 6. Even longer wait for food, arrived luke warm. Would have asked for the food to be warmed up, but after being treated so poorly by the server, didn't see the need. 7. Ridiculously small portions for the price. If it's supposed to be all cute and quaint like a bistro, offer some goddamned prices to match! 8. Even after all this, I still ordered a dessert which was okay, but in no way "made up" for the main course. 9. All in all we ordered over $60 of food and drink between the two of us and were still treated horribly the whole time. I even gave the 15% tip because I'm not an asshole like the server was to us. With that one condescending, evil look and the rest of the experience, I decided just to never come back and to tell as many people as possible about how aweful it was. If you love poor service and ridiculous price/portion ratio, you'll love Bistro 33. Sorry management, these were my honest experiences. ["TylerFelix"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-06-13 14:11:00'' [[nbsp]] My boyfriend and I ate here a few months ago. We ended up ordering three entrees (including one labeled as "large"), and we were still super hungry afterwards. The portions are small. The food itself isn't bad, nothing to write home about, but not terrible. For the portion size, I felt it was expensive. The atmosphere is nice, service was good, and we'll probably try it again, just not when we're so hungry. --["AndreaStewart"]<br> - <br> - I wanted to comment that I think it is strange that an employee thinks that the Health Department is only concerned with the kitchen. As if there would be no Health Code violation for, say, a waitress spitting in a customer's food unless the event took place there. FYI DrewKyler, the Health Department is concerned with the cleanliness of an entire restaurant. And as for your comment about your "not going anywhere".... from the looks of things... pity.<br> - <br> - <br> - What's a pity is longing for the restaurant to close when it is obviously a very popular place for breakfast, lunch, dinner and social events like college night, dancing the bar and Pub Quiz. It reminds me of Menken's definition of puritanism "the haunting feeling that someone , somewhere might be happy," read that as if you don't like the place don't go I will be much happier not having to see, dine with or be in the same 100 square foot zone as people of your ilk. In defense of Mr. Kyler, arguably one of the best servers in Davis, it is obvious that he was not mentioning the kitchen in any exclusionary sense of the disjunct in question , it is obvious to him , me and everyone besides yourself that the rest of the restaurant is exposed and is clean such that it did not warrant consideration by the Health Departments as it speaks for itself. -Jonathan Nasca<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-07-26 14:20:12'' [[nbsp]] I went there last week for a few drinks with a friend. We paid the tab with a credit card and left a 4 dollar tip. The next day my friend happened to look at the receipt and there was a $10 gratiuity charge along with the $4 tip she left. We bought three drinks in all. I dont know if this has happened to anyone else, but please leave a comment if it has. --["JamesSchwab"]<br> - * ''Are you sure the $10 wasn't a [http://www.faqfarm.com/Q/Why_would_a_restaurant_put_a_temporary_charge_on_your_credit_card authorizing charge]? They show up, especially on your internet statement, but if you look carefully, you'll notice that they don't actually apply against your available balance. They also disappear about two days or so later (sometimes a few days). They are how restaurants (and other service places) can run your card and then add a tip later without having to ask for your card again. It's a standard credit card thing (or debit card used as a credit card). Confusing, sometimes upsetting, but utterly standard and it has nothing to do with a scam or anything underhanded.'' -- ["JabberWokky" jw]<br> - * ''As an interesting side note, it could be worse. Some colleges do an authorization charge on [http://www.gdn.edu/admissions/Tuition/guidelines.asp tuition]. Could you image the heart attack when it looks like you've been charged twice for your classes for a few days?'' -- ["JabberWokky" jw]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ I really wanted to like this place. --<br> + But after four or five visits I have come to the conclusion that Bistro 33 problems with service, food quality, pricing and just rhe general attitude and feel of the dining experience sis a failure of managemnt. Yes the service is bad, but it is management's job to ensure that ALL staff are trained to enhance the customer experience, not detract from it.<br> + There is no excuse for a waiter not knowing what gins they offer, much less not be able to pronounce them. Where's the training? There is no excuse for the sparkling wine on the menu not to be chilled and ready to serve. Who's running the bar? Likewise, limp spinich salads, salmon dishes -lukewarm and swimming in butter and enedible, no excuse. Where's the quality control? Who's overseeing this operation?<br> + Everyone can have a bad night, even whole establishments have times when everything goes wrong for some reason. That's not what we're dealing with here. This is a total breakdown of management. The times I have visited the staff, for the most part, seem to want to serve well, but they just haven't been trained in the proper way to do so. So give'em a little bit of a break.<br> + Finally a word about pricing. For one, they are a little high for the quality of food delivered. Two, pricing can be opportunistic (ex: charging an extra dollar when ordering a martini "up" is outlandish. That is not a special request. That's what a Martini is. Where's my savings for you not having to use ice?) This place is not worth the waste of an otherwise good evening. It's just too frustrating. Fortunatly, there are other, better places to eat in Davis -- I really wanted to like this place.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2006-08-20 15:27:31JasonAller <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> This page is for discussing the contents of ["Bistro 33"]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> This page is for <span>["Talk Pages" </span>discussing<span>]</span> the contents of ["Bistro 33"]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2006-08-17 07:25:11AlphaDog+org idea <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 14: </td> <td> Line 14: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * What about color coding negatives red, positives green, and leaving mixed reviews black or something? Makes it more difficult for the commenter unless some sort of macro is created that allows commenters to assign a positive or negative rating with a single click. Anyway, the color coding retains the historical timeline, allows the commenter to assign his/her own spin and still makes it easy for the reader to quickly differentiate between positive/negative reviews. --["AlphaDog"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2006-07-31 17:48:02PhilipNeustrom <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 13: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * This makes sense. How do we improve the readability of so many comments in this case?</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2006-07-31 17:46:10PhilipNeustrom <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 4: </td> <td> Line 4: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The page's main text is actually very very small considering the number of reviews people have written.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;Things that might be good to add to main section: 33rd St Bistro in sacramento is owned by the same people, the date this place opened, and some other basic facts....</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> The page's main text is actually very very small considering the number of reviews people have written. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2006-07-31 17:45:17PhilipNeustromsuggestions for main text <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 2: </td> <td> Line 2: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + == How to improve the page ==<br> + The page's main text is actually very very small considering the number of reviews people have written. 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Arriving on time, the hostess told us there would be a 10-15 minute wait for a table outside; it took 25 minutes while a large party of 10+ and a party of 2 (all of whom arrived after us) were seated. Once at our table our waitress got us our drinks and took our order, however ONE AND A HALF hours later (at 7:45) after making 2 inquiries with a hostess who ignored us, we were told our dinner would be out immediately along with the manager per our request. When the salads, sandwiches, and my small appetizer of fries finally arrive along with the manager (Kurt) we explain how rude it was to have such a long wait for seating, attention, and food at 6pm on a Wednesday. Unapologetically he cuts my friend off with, "I don't get it? What are you trying to say?" What my party and I were trying to communicate was that we have never been treated so poorly in any other establishment in Davis and we deserved no such treatment; we will be pursing this matter through the proper channels. ''So therefore I would like to warn all readers that this second rate, poor excuse for a restaurant does not deserve your business, the management was rude, the service inept and I hope no one else will have to suffer such treatment. S<span>T</span>A<span>Y AWAY.</span>'' --["LisaBeth"]<br> <span>-</span> <br> <span>- * ''WHAT MS. BETH FORGOT TO MENTION:''</span> I am a server at Bistro 33 and was working during the incident Ms. Beth has described. While I regret she did not enjoy her dining experience at Bistro, it seems a bit trifling that she has gone out of her way to leave out several key details in her comment, which I wish to clarify. To begin, when Ms. Beth's party arrived at Bistro we had our VIP table (overlooking the bar) prepared and we were ready to seat them immediately. However, upon arrival, her party requested a table on our patio, something that wasn't immediately available for them due to parties already dining on the patio and reservations which had specifically requested tables on the patio (which would also explain why two other parties, both with reservations and pre-made requests for patio tables, were seated). Furthermore, Ms. Beth's party was able to, and in fact did, wait at the bar where they enjoyed cocktails and the service of our bar staff until their table was ready. There is no dispute that, through absolutely no fault of the people mentioned (hostess, server, and manager) there was a slight delay in the delivery of food. Firstly, however, besides notifying the pertinent server of the inquiry, which was done twice, the hostess is obligated to remain at her station and has done nothing in her career at Bistro to suggest she would ignore a patron. Next, I have never dined in a restaurant where you could start counting the time it took to receive a meal from the moment you are scheduled to walk in the door. After deducting time for a short wait, a trip to the bar, and the formalities of being greeted by the server, the actual wait time was far shorter for the 1 ½ hours quoted. I would also like to point out the inconsistency in times mentioned (6:15 and then 6), as well as the fact that the management obviously has no control over the weather and its ability to draw an unusually large Wednesday night crowd. Finally, Kurt is well known by staff and patrons alike as a very gracious and helpful manager. He did, in fact, communicate with the party to try and understand the problem (it was, after all, the first he<span>’</span>d heard of it), offer an apology for the unusual, but in my personal opinion not unbearable, wait time, and proceed to discount the party's entire bill to $0. In conclusion, I would like to sincerely apologize that, in what is becoming a far less frequent occurrence at Bistro, mistakes are made. However, I happen to know that the staff on the night in question, and Kurt specifically, went out of their way to accommodate the party<span>’</span>s requests and did everything possible to rectify the situation that ensued, including comping the whole meal, and to no avail. It was unfortunate but completely out of the staff<span>’</span>s control. A mistake was made (unfortunately they are human) and we did out best to fix it, bottom line. I find it hard to believe anyone could feel that one mistake, coupled with a short wait due only to the party<span>’</span>s seating preference, could justify such a vicious attack on Bistro in such an unjustified and uncalled for way. Having worked at several restaurants in Davis, I dare you to find one where mistakes aren<span>’</span>t made. ["Drew Kyler"]<br> <span>- * Than</span>k<span>s for the response</span>, <span>Drew</span>. <span>The wiki would definitely benefit from more business-side feedback, especially on user comments. heh, this exchange reminded me of Paul Harvey's "and now you know the rest of the story." ["CraigBrozinsky"]<br> - <br> - * Not affiliated with the restaurant or the wiki, just a "citizen editor" that has taken it upon himself to tone down the font above post by LisaBeth from acres of CAPITALIZED bold-face screaming down to something that is not a poke in the eye. LisaBeth can rant and rave all she wants, and use whatever language. But I draw the line at attempts to gain attention through visual technique. Her words are no more and no less valuable than any others on this page, and therefore should compete for your attention on the usual merits of ideas, logic, sentence construction and grammar, and not on the wiki equivalent of the HTML BLIN</span>K<span>&nbsp;tag. In order not to single her out, I have also made changes to other posts, such as the one above by DrewKyler. In the unending pursuit of civilized discourse, I remain, yr humble servant, H. Toppe ["HughToppe"]<br> - <br> - <br> - [[BR]]''WHAT MR.KYLER FAILED TO ACCOUNT FOR'': First and foremost I would like to say I am pleased to know that employees from the establishments in the area read this website and try to account for the opinions posted on this site. However, Mr. Kyler’</span>s account of the evening was faulty and blatantly false in many points. Although, I am sure Mr. Kyler was at the restaurant the evening in question he was neither at my table, nor present during the inquiries with the hostesses, waitress nor with Kurt. To begin, this was the first time any of our party had been to the Bistro 33 and when we made reservations we were never offered or told that patio seating was even an option, thus when we arrived we did make a change. Second, although the manager Kurt may be gracious and helpful to others he was everything but so to our party. After speaking twice to the waitress and hostesses, Kurt came to our table and offered no apology (a fact to which I have four people attesting to) and where Mr. Kyler was not present. My party and I were willing to stay had we been offered an explanation or an apology from management, but our final decision to leave was based solely on the fact that we were treated rudely by Kurt. Kurt did not go out of his way to accommodate us; again he offered no apology, cut us off during our explanation, failed to see our point (I quote verbatim, <span>“</span>I don<span>’</span>t get it? What are you trying to say?<span>”</span>) and offered us no compensation what so ever. He never offered us to compensate the price of our meal as Mr. Kyler states, because had he done so we would have stayed due to the fact that is was a friend<span>’</span>s birthday dinner. Finally, although I understand that due to the reasonably warm weather that day a restaurant like the Bistro might experience an influx of patrons wanting to sit on the patio, but waiting till 7:45 pm (the time my party finally received our food before leaving) for two sandwiches, two salads and an order of fries is ridiculous. Our request for good service, or in this case any service, is neither unreasonable nor unjustified and the comments I made were neither vicious nor uncalled for, they are honest and just. I stand by my opinion, and while I appreciate Mr. Kyler<span>’</span>s attention to this matter and his general apology, I maintain that the service was poor and that we were treated unfairly. In all fairness, I do concede two points; 1) the reservations were in fact made for 6:15 pm, I was told 6 pm so that was my mistake (however the wait time was 25 minutes not 10-15 as we were told), 2) the waitress did apologize, but offered us no explanation, or compensation and did leave our party unattended for an hour until we sought her attention (which was when we asked to speak to the management). Having worked in restaurants and in customer service in and outside of Davis I can also understand that mistakes are made, however my point is that I have never experienced bad service of this magnitude (between the hostesses, waitress and management) and I would like to keep others from having their evening ruined by poor service. At this point nothing short of an apology from the management would rectify this situation or change my opinion of this restaurant, however based on recent history I will not hold my breath.<br> <span>- * I'm confused. Did you actually pay your bill on the night in question?? -- DrewKyler</span><br> <span>- *</span> Finally, someone else is as horrified by the poor service and even poorer management as I have been. As I stated above, this place borders on the need to call the health department. I also find it offensive that the employees who read these pages spend so much time attacking the patrons instead of listening to their comments and taking them to heart. I cannot wait until someone else takes this place over, or they lose their lease, or they go under because people start to boycott. I look forward to when the NEXT restaurant opens in this fabulous location. -''DisgustedDiner''<br> <span>- * ''It should be noted that DrewKyler deleted the above comment by DisgustedDiner, obfuscating the edit with a replacement by his "I'm confused..." comment, either intentionally or unintentionally.'' -- ["JabberWokky" jw]</span><br> <span>- * I would like to point out that if I did, in fact, delete the disgusteddiner comment it was completely accidental and I apologize. However, since it has been brought to my attention I would like to respond to the disgusting comment and its author. Firstly,</span> I am extremely curious as to what gives you the notion our restaurant "borders on the need to call the health department"? That comment is so extremely erroneous it voids most of the author<span>’</span>s credibility. Do they work for the health department? Are they familiar with local health codes? Also, when was the last time a patron was allowed in the kitchen (the area the health department inspects)? Furthermore, part of our kitchen and our entire bar are in plain view of diners and obviously well maintained. Next, I began commenting on this forum for the sole purpose of clarifying misunderstandings in different posts. I have not, nor would I, attacked a patron through this forum. Finally, the Bistro concept has been around for 11 years with huge popularity, major growth, and there will be no NEXT restaurant because we're not going anywhere. --<span>&nbsp;</span>DrewKyler<br> <span>-</span> <br> <span>-</span> I think if you decide to change your reservation when you get there and request a different table with a large party, you've forfeited your right to a quick table. If you were in a hurry you should have taken the available table. She said 15 minutes and it took 25? Boo hoo. If you've worked in a restaurant then you know all too well it's not an exact science. People camp at tables. Likewise, IF your entire bill was comped you have no right to complain about the service, in my opinion. Free food and drinks for a bunch of people, but you had to wait for it? Boo hoo. Please take a step back and realize how spoiled rotten you must be to complain about such treatment. --JeffSpeckles, NOT an employee of Bistro<span>--</span> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> +</span> ------<br> <span>+</span> On Wednesday evening a group of four girlfriends and I went to the Bistro for a friend's birthday with dinner reservations at 6:15. Arriving on time, the hostess told us there would be a 10-15 minute wait for a table outside; it took 25 minutes while a large party of 10+ and a party of 2 (all of whom arrived after us) were seated. Once at our table our waitress got us our drinks and took our order, however ONE AND A HALF hours later (at 7:45) after making 2 inquiries with a hostess who ignored us, we were told our dinner would be out immediately along with the manager per our request. When the salads, sandwiches, and my small appetizer of fries finally arrive along with the manager (Kurt) we explain how rude it was to have such a long wait for seating, attention, and food at 6pm on a Wednesday. Unapologetically he cuts my friend off with, "I don't get it? What are you trying to say?" What my party and I were trying to communicate was that we have never been treated so poorly in any other establishment in Davis and we deserved no such treatment; we will be pursing this matter through the proper channels. ''So therefore I would like to warn all readers that this second rate, poor excuse for a restaurant does not deserve your business, the management was rude, the service inept and I hope no one else will have to suffer such treatment. S<span>tay </span>A<span>way!</span>'' --["LisaBeth"]<br> <span>+</span> <br> <span>+ </span> I am a server at Bistro 33 and was working during the incident Ms. Beth has described. While I regret she did not enjoy her dining experience at Bistro, it seems a bit trifling that she has gone out of her way to leave out several key details in her comment, which I wish to clarify. To begin, when Ms. Beth's party arrived at Bistro we had our VIP table (overlooking the bar) prepared and we were ready to seat them immediately. However, upon arrival, her party requested a table on our patio, something that wasn't immediately available for them due to parties already dining on the patio and reservations which had specifically requested tables on the patio (which would also explain why two other parties, both with reservations and pre-made requests for patio tables, were seated). Furthermore, Ms. Beth's party was able to, and in fact did, wait at the bar where they enjoyed cocktails and the service of our bar staff until their table was ready. There is no dispute that, through absolutely no fault of the people mentioned (hostess, server, and manager) there was a slight delay in the delivery of food. Firstly, however, besides notifying the pertinent server of the inquiry, which was done twice, the hostess is obligated to remain at her station and has done nothing in her career at Bistro to suggest she would ignore a patron.<span><br> + <br> + </span> Next, I have never dined in a restaurant where you could start counting the time it took to receive a meal from the moment you are scheduled to walk in the door. After deducting time for a short wait, a trip to the bar, and the formalities of being greeted by the server, the actual wait time was far shorter for the 1 ½ hours quoted. I would also like to point out the inconsistency in times mentioned (6:15 and then 6), as well as the fact that the management obviously has no control over the weather and its ability to draw an unusually large Wednesday night crowd. Finally, Kurt is well known by staff and patrons alike as a very gracious and helpful manager. He did, in fact, communicate with the party to try and understand the problem (it was, after all, the first he<span>’</span>d heard of it), offer an apology for the unusual, but in my personal opinion not unbearable, wait time, and proceed to discount the party's entire bill to $0. In conclusion, I would like to sincerely apologize that, in what is becoming a far less frequent occurrence at Bistro, mistakes are made. However, I happen to know that the staff on the night in question, and Kurt specifically, went out of their way to accommodate the party<span>’</span>s requests and did everything possible to rectify the situation that ensued, including comping the whole meal, and to no avail. It was unfortunate but completely out of the staff<span>’</span>s control. A mistake was made (unfortunately they are human) and we did out best to fix it, bottom line. I find it hard to believe anyone could feel that one mistake, coupled with a short wait due only to the party<span>’</span>s seating preference, could justify such a vicious attack on Bistro in such an unjustified and uncalled for way. Having worked at several restaurants in Davis, I dare you to find one where mistakes aren<span>’</span>t made. ["Drew Kyler"]<br> <span>+ <br> + <br> + First and foremost I would li</span>k<span>e to say I am pleased to know that employees from the establishments in the area read this website and try to account for the opinions posted on this site. However</span>, <span>Mr</span>. K<span>yler’</span>s account of the evening was faulty and blatantly false in many points. Although, I am sure Mr. Kyler was at the restaurant the evening in question he was neither at my table, nor present during the inquiries with the hostesses, waitress nor with Kurt. To begin, this was the first time any of our party had been to the Bistro 33 and when we made reservations we were never offered or told that patio seating was even an option, thus when we arrived we did make a change. Second, although the manager Kurt may be gracious and helpful to others he was everything but so to our party. After speaking twice to the waitress and hostesses, Kurt came to our table and offered no apology (a fact to which I have four people attesting to) and where Mr. Kyler was not present. My party and I were willing to stay had we been offered an explanation or an apology from management, but our final decision to leave was based solely on the fact that we were treated rudely by Kurt. Kurt did not go out of his way to accommodate us; again he offered no apology, cut us off during our explanation, failed to see our point (I quote verbatim, <span>“</span>I don<span>’</span>t get it? What are you trying to say?<span>”</span>) and offered us no compensation what so ever. He never offered us to compensate the price of our meal as Mr. Kyler states, because had he done so we would have stayed due to the fact that is was a friend<span>’</span>s birthday dinner. Finally, although I understand that due to the reasonably warm weather that day a restaurant like the Bistro might experience an influx of patrons wanting to sit on the patio, but waiting till 7:45 pm (the time my party finally received our food before leaving) for two sandwiches, two salads and an order of fries is ridiculous.<span><br> + <br> + </span> Our request for good service, or in this case any service, is neither unreasonable nor unjustified and the comments I made were neither vicious nor uncalled for, they are honest and just. I stand by my opinion, and while I appreciate Mr. Kyler<span>’</span>s attention to this matter and his general apology, I maintain that the service was poor and that we were treated unfairly. In all fairness, I do concede two points; 1) the reservations were in fact made for 6:15 pm, I was told 6 pm so that was my mistake (however the wait time was 25 minutes not 10-15 as we were told), 2) the waitress did apologize, but offered us no explanation, or compensation and did leave our party unattended for an hour until we sought her attention (which was when we asked to speak to the management). Having worked in restaurants and in customer service in and outside of Davis I can also understand that mistakes are made, however my point is that I have never experienced bad service of this magnitude (between the hostesses, waitress and management) and I would like to keep others from having their evening ruined by poor service. At this point nothing short of an apology from the management would rectify this situation or change my opinion of this restaurant, however based on recent history I will not hold my breath.<br> <span>+ </span><br> <span>+ </span> Finally, someone else is as horrified by the poor service and even poorer management as I have been. As I stated above, this place borders on the need to call the health department. I also find it offensive that the employees who read these pages spend so much time attacking the patrons instead of listening to their comments and taking them to heart. I cannot wait until someone else takes this place over, or they lose their lease, or they go under because people start to boycott. I look forward to when the NEXT restaurant opens in this fabulous location. -''DisgustedDiner''<br> <span>+ </span><br> <span>+ </span> I am extremely curious as to what gives you the notion our restaurant "borders on the need to call the health department"? That comment is so extremely erroneous it voids most of the author<span>’</span>s credibility. Do they work for the health department? Are they familiar with local health codes? Also, when was the last time a patron was allowed in the kitchen (the area the health department inspects)? Furthermore, part of our kitchen and our entire bar are in plain view of diners and obviously well maintained. Next, I began commenting on this forum for the sole purpose of clarifying misunderstandings in different posts. I have not, nor would I, attacked a patron through this forum. Finally, the Bistro concept has been around for 11 years with huge popularity, major growth, and there will be no NEXT restaurant because we're not going anywhere. --DrewKyler<br> <span>+</span> <br> <span>+</span> I think if you decide to change your reservation when you get there and request a different table with a large party, you've forfeited your right to a quick table. If you were in a hurry you should have taken the available table. She said 15 minutes and it took 25? Boo hoo. If you've worked in a restaurant then you know all too well it's not an exact science. People camp at tables. Likewise, IF your entire bill was comped you have no right to complain about the service, in my opinion. Free food and drinks for a bunch of people, but you had to wait for it? Boo hoo. Please take a step back and realize how spoiled rotten you must be to complain about such treatment. --JeffSpeckles, NOT an employee of Bistro<span><br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2006-07-31 14:39:19MattCzarnowski <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 9: </td> <td> Line 9: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ * While clustering reviews by Pro/Mixed/Con is somewhat helpful, it makes it far more difficult to read just the most recent reviews. Being able to get an idea of whether a restaurant is improving or declining over time is important.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2006-07-30 15:28:54PhilipNeustrom <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 5: </td> <td> Line 5: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + Some ideas:<br> + * There's a lot of reviews. Move ''well written'' ones to the top of each section (positive/negative).<br> + * group together some similar reviews ("bad drinks")/etc?</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2006-07-30 15:25:36PhilipNeustromminor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 3: </td> <td> Line 3: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ == How to improve the reviews readability ==</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 5: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ---------</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Bistro 33/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Bistro_33/Talk2006-07-30 14:53:14SharlaDalyCreated in effort to get help in cleaning it up and returning to main page. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Bistro 33/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ This page is for discussing the contents of ["Bistro 33"].<br> + <br> + I'm moving most of the reviews to this page, so that it can be cleaned up. I think that some of it has gotten out of hand. The reviews should tell people what to expect at the restaurant - good or bad, and maybe encourage the restaurant to keep it up or improve. I'm wondering how long reviews should stay on the page, especially for a new restaurant that is working kinks out. Including a fights that occur in the restaurant could be taken as pro or con - either adding to the excitement of an evening out in Davis or thought to ruin the diner's experience.<br> + <br> + '''Pro reviews'''<br> + <br> + I was taken to this restaurant today by my coworkers (it's my birthday). I had a delicious vegetable gratin (no stinting with the butter HERE). A friend had the crabcakes, another friend had the blue cheese salad. We were all very happy. It was cool enough to sit outside and the outdoor pavilion area is really nice, spacious, lively. It felt like being in the south of France, bulldozers and everything. Good prices too. Lucky we got there when we did; it filled up at lunch, both indoors and out. Looks like a grownup bar, though we didn't try it. -["AlisonKent"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-09-04 12:27:35'' [[nbsp]] I tried this place on friday night and loved it. Its just what Davis needed. I'm tired of the boring scene and a nice outdoor restaurant with a trendy bar is so refreshing. God, I miss living in a big city. I tried the puget sound and it was great. My martini's were also well made although a little pricey ($5.50) Of course this place still has its cons: A little overpriced for Davis and the service needs improvement. I for one am looking forward to going here a lot more in the fall --["KarthikRam"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-09-16 20:35:41'' This place is amazing. In good and bad ways. I finally had a chance to check it out, and wow! It's huge and is very ambitious. They seem to have relatively few bartenders per capita, and I think this causes quite a few of the problems described above. I also hear that their bouncers are from a private security firm in Sacramento, but my source was a guy in line, waiting to get in last night. I was expecting a much gaudier interior based on some of the descriptions above, but I'd say it worked overall. It's similar to other nice restaurants in Davis. And not to too much dull the impact of the comment immediately above this one, but sometimes one employee at a certain place can cause problems-- but this is pretty typical of any place with alcohol involved, especially among people overwhelmed by a crowd. Oh well. I think it adds something to Davis that is quite positive, and will only get better as its staff become more attuned to their jobs. Plus, judging it now is a little premature, as it obviously won't be THAT slammed with people once it stops being "the new place in town." Oh, and the food till midnight (W-Sat) is a big plus! --["JaimeRaba"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-09-06 03:54:24'' [[nbsp]] I work here, so my opinions are pretty biased. Service wise I think we improve every day as we get used to the space we have and how best to utilize it. I think generally the staff and service is great although I can admit it can have weak links (as with anything else). Ask to be seated in my section and I'll take care of you. My recommendations from what I've eaten: Shrimp Cigars, Pancetta Prawns, Uncle Bum's Jerked Ribs (GREAT for a carnivore), Any salad with Citrus Shallot Dressing, Kung Pau Schrimp Pizza, Any Panini, Fettucini with Seared Prawns (the Memou sauce sounds simple but was the most surprisingly delicious, what kick!), Bistro Meatloaf, Sage &amp; Prosciutto Roasted Chicken, Espresso Pate, Daily Gelato, and lastly Smiley Fries (they are really oddly amazing) --["AlvinTsao"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-09-28 09:38:13'' [[nbsp]] Not sure what everyone is complaining about. My girlfriend and I visited yesterday for my birthday and had a great time. I will say the service was a little slow, but they were not rude and were apologetic when we had to ask 3 times for bread after it was offered. I&amp;#8217;m sure this is due to the fact they have been open for just over a month and will improve with time. We both eat and drank for less than $80 (including 15% tip) and when we usually go out to celebrate its more like $150. We shared the fries as a starter and had the crispy polenta and meatloaf(lamb and pork sausage; no beef) Everything tasted great. We had 4 glasses of wine and one beer. I didn&amp;#8217;t think the drinks were overpriced; $4.50 for a microbrew on tap, not bad. When I go out to eat my expectations of the food quality are pretty high. I get really upset if I have to pay for something that I could have made better at home. We will defiantly be back a few more time before we grow tired of the same options. --["AjBerge"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-10-01 01:22:19'' [[nbsp]] Enjoyable Californian Cuisine. I have visited Bistro 33 twice. The first time I visited was actually on their test run a couple days before their real opening. On that day I came with two girlfriends and our 3 kids. The servers were nice, though extremely busy with an influx of customers that I don't think they were expecting. I ordered a wood-fired pizza and a glass of Zinfandel. One of my girlfriends ordered the steak sandwich which they ate with gusto. Our kids had chicken tenders, fries, etc. I found the experience fun and enjoyable. The staff was also quite nice to our kids (this doesn't always happen at fine restuarants.) The second time we visited was with my husband and daughter. I had a delicious house salad and crabcakes. My husband enjoyed the french onion soup and cesar salad. As far as what they need to improve on: I would recommend a seasonal menu or at least a different menu for lunch and dinner. I also thought *some* of the food prices were high. It was $12.95 for two small crabcakes. --["SherryOneal"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-10-02 14:17:33'' [[nbsp]] Had lunch with my girlfriend today at about noon. There were a few too many servers standing around in the corner, but our server (Hollie) was great! I was a little worried coming in, due to some reviews above. It may possibly have been we beat most the lunch crowd. It didn't start filling up until 1ish, when we were leaving. We got the Kennebec Fries, two sandwiches (Puget Sound and the Gorge), and Creme Brulee as a desert - the food was great! Sandwiches were a little smaller then I'd hope for, but with the fries and desert we were full for only about $30. I was surprised that they didn't have a desert menu printed yet.<br> + <br> + * ''2005-10-03 12:51:32'' [[nbsp]] I was probably one of the servers standing around. The time before you get sat is awful because you just sit there feeling useless, there's always food to be delivered but there's only so much food until we get a full house. Hollie IS great. I'm not sure if dessert menus are ever going to be printed to be honest with you. Some of the servers prefer we didn't, some prefer that we do, it's really management's call. Three of our eight desserts change on a near daily basis, so maybe that's why we haven't printed them. Glad to see a greater # of positive reviews now. Just at an employee level I think we've let some loose ends go and have worked out some (but not all) of our kinks. If you want a quiet dinner on a weekend though, I'm not sure if that's possible unless you sit outside on the patio, after around nine we start the metamorphic process of turning into a loud, college bar. The weekend patio/indoor people alway seem happiest. --["AlvinTsao"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-11-17 08:37:15'' The waiter was nice when he found out it was my birthday (from my license). Gave us a free chocolate pate desert, lil candle and all, it was yummy. --["EdwinSaada"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-10-18 22:44:24'' [[nbsp]] I work at another restaurant, and I find the service pretty good. I usually sit at the bar. The food is excellent in my opinion. I like the burger and the paninis, and good clam chowder as well. As for service issues, any new place will have them. Give it a couple months before judging.<br> + <br> + One thing that struck me as odd--a friend and I sat at the bar the very first night Bistro was open and weren't carded. We are both 25, and certainly look close enough to card. In fact I haven't ever been carded in the half dozen or so times I've been there. Alvin, it may be too late if what I hear is true, but tell your mgmt to crack down on checking IDs!!! The ABC has very little tolerance for lazy ID checking. --["JeffSpeckles"]<br> + <br> + ''2006-01-19 19:45:03'' [[nbsp]] I was recently in Bistro33 Davis and I have to say that your manager Dave was awesome! He knows what he's doing and made our simple lunch a great experience. The food was not bad, so I'd say if we came back it would only be because of the service Dave showed us. He is an asset to the restaurant and would be to any restaurant! --["TeriJones"]<br> + <br> + <br> + ''2006-05-12 17:46:22'' [[nbsp]] No place is perfect, but this restaurant is as good as it gets in Davis, imho, the right blend of quality of food, ambiance, presentation, location, and price. I've gone there for dinner about a half-dozen times and each time I'm glad I chose that over some of the other choices in Davis. If I were to design a restaurant it would end up being just like this. The only thing I would change is some of the outside decor and furniture. --["HughToppe"]<br> + <br> + <br> + '''Mixed'''<br> + <br> + ''2005-09-08 16:30:00'' [[nbsp]] I went to Bistro 33 last Thursday. We were told there would be a 25 minute wait (which turned out to be 100% accurate) before getting our table, so we sat at the rather ample bar. First off, the decor in this place attempts to be ultra modern, but ends up being a bit tedious. The fire columns surrounding the bar are superfluous, but fun to watch. Bar service was prompt and friendly despite how busy it was. Full Sail Pale Ale and Rogue Dead Guy Ale on tap are always welcome by belly, taboot. I didn't order any mixed drinks, so I can't comment on that. After exactly 25 minutes (really!) we were seated outside, thankfully. Inside it seemed hectic and boisterous, but outside the tables were sparsely placed and the atmosphere was more calm. Service was sufficient to keep me happy, but the beer and wine helped with that as well. : ) I believe we ended up getting 3 bread baskets, and there weren't any funny looks from the waitstaff as a result. I can't stand when there's any reticence on a waiter's part when you order extra bread. What is it for, decoration? Anyway, I ordered the Nicoise salmon salad, which I enjoyed thoroughly. The salmon was perfectly cooked and rather moist. The girl I was eating with ordered the meatloaf. I will admit, I've never liked meatloaf, but this was pretty damn tasty, very tender and well spiced. I don't think it was all beef. Some moist mystery meat (pork?) was likely used a filler. We ordered desert, but I don't remember eating it, so no comment. Overall, this place has its issues, but that is to be expected with a new restaurant that is often inundated with people. I will most certainly go back, and will try again to sit outside. Recommended, but YMMV...--["MarcRehfuss"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-09-08 21:21:58'' [[nbsp]] I agree with other commentators that the service sucks. With that many people running around why didn't we get water within 5 mins of sitting down? Why did our appetizer arrive after the salads? I enjoyed the peach catsup with the fries as an appetizer. Also enjoyed the "Puget Sound" panini, although this is not a diet dish (very heavy on the creamy cheese). I would try this restaurant again although I think it would be better to sit outside. --["SamanthaGrant"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-10-02 15:14:11'' [[nbsp]] I went there yesterday with my dad and sister. I thought the food was good but it was overpriced. I thought that I would get my money worth, but I didnt. I paid 19 dollars for the salmon dish and it was small. I'll give Bistro another try if I go there again. --["SimonFung"]<br> + <br> + ''2006-01-13 14:53:18'' [[nbsp]] I think they have the best burger in town, but the rest of the food is hit and miss and the service is never what you could call good. The bar is surprisingly clueless: they serve Guinness in an iced glass and don't know that you're supposed to garnish a gin &amp; tonic with a lime. --["ToNils"]<br> + <br> + ''2006-01-13 14:53:18'' [[nbsp]] I think they have the best burger in town, but the rest of the food is hit and miss and the service is never what you could call good. The bar is surprisingly clueless: they serve Guinness in an iced glass and don't know that you're supposed to garnish a gin &amp; tonic with a lime. --["ToNils"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-10-16 12:11:12'' [[nbsp]] their drinks are heavily watered down during bar nights, but the guys are hott. I WISH the waitress had spit in our soup...would've made it less salty, at least. --["ApolloStumpy"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-12-29 09:19:50'' [[nbsp]] I visited a server friend of mine at Bistro 33 the other night. I see what people mean about trendy atmosphere, but it wasn't you know, a 5 star restaurant or anything. I sat at the bar and drank a martini, which was pretty good. The bartender was nice and not too attentive (yet still attentive enough). I chatted it up with a girl next to me. She said she liked to come to the bar at Bistro 33 because the people were a bit more professional than the other establishments around Davis. The only food I ordered was fries. I agree with whoever said they were just like In-n-Out fries. I was a tiny-bit disappointed at how fast they came considering they were just damned fries. But, they were decently tasty, and they came with blue-cheese, vinegar and house sauce to dip them in, which was pretty grand. --["SaulSugarman"]<br> + * Do you mean they came too fast, or that they didn't come quickly enough? Your comment is unclear... --["DomenicSantangelo"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-12-25 15:54:28'' [[nbsp]] The Bistro Clam chowder was flavorful and outperformed the Clear Clam Chowder, which had a hearty celery and vegetable flavor but no detectable seafood flavor. The fries were dead-ringers for thin ["In-N-Out"] fries. They went well with the blue cheese dressing, but were overpowered by the malt vinegar and overshadowed by the peach ketchup. The crab and artichoke dip was generous on the crab, and worth the cost. The Crispy Polenta really hit the spot, and offered a combination of savory mushrooms, bitter greens, fontina cheese, and a great crunch. Finally, the creme brulee was well made and enjoyed by the rest of my party, but I enjoyed the cobbler more. I've eaten dinner here three times, and there's been a problem with the service every single time. They've brough out the entrees at different times, brought entrees we didn't even order, brought our appetizers after our entrees, and brought the fries without the side dips. --["CraigBrozinsky"]<br> + <br> + ''2006-4-30'' [[nbsp]] I went a few weeks ago with my mother who wanted to sample some Davis cuisine. It took quite a while to be seated but once in the seating area we were served very quickly. Unfortunatly the music was really loud, and the screens were playing sports which was pretty distracting. After mixing up our order with someone elses, we were finally served our meals. The food was great!! Which made up for the rest of the problems. However, the food was a little pricey for how much you got, and it took about 20 minutes for the waiter to get back to us with our check. (i think he took a break) I'd go there again, to see if maybe the service has improved, before writing off this restaurant. -- ["SydneySwartz"]<br> + <br> + '''Con'''<br> + <br> + <br> + ''Crappy, rude service.'' They sat 7 of us at a booth that really only fit 6. When we asked for an extra chair, was was really confused at to why the manager gave us hard time and was rude, and furthermore walks around with a pissy look on his face and has no interpersonal skills. Food was decent, when and if we got it. Everyone's food came to the table at different times. They forgot to bring us drinks, and the drinks that were served to us were the wrong ones. The restaurant is so "Chic" it is gaudy, including sparly tiles, stupid looking tapestries on the ceiling, and silly flames behind the bar. Shame they did this to a historic building, it should have been renovated in a more conservative manner-I'm surprised the historical society permitted it. I would definitely not recommend going there, at least until they stop acting like they are doing YOU a big favor.--["StevenJinks"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-09-12 14:37:45'' [[nbsp]] Our waitress was incredibly spacey and ditzy (perhaps she was new?), forgetting to bring us things like more water or ketchup, and screwing up one of our partys' orders. I ordered the coconut prawns, which were pretty tasty, but not at $2 a freaking prawn. The dish was just under $10 and I got five prawns, which left me hungry and angry. Drinks were also quite expensive, but no more so than other fancy establishments (i.e. Cheesecake Factory, Outback, etc). I probably wouldn't go here again unless someone else were paying. --["MargieHalloran"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-09-16 17:10:02'' [[nbsp]] Saturday Night... stopped off for a drink and to sample Davis' new addition... heralded as "classy"; I have nothing to say but trashy. I was rudely yelled at by the bar tender, only to hear from the crowd next to me that he had been acting like an "ass" all night... as if the three feet separating us had somehow been transformed into the grand canyon... did I hear him correctly...? I think the "bistro" had gone to his head... when I answered back equally as loud he threatened me with having me thrown out... this is davis, not LA... and the secret service bouncers outside needed to report back to the white house... this UC Davis, not USC. I stayed long enough to stiff him and fight through the mass of underage drinkers. I'm all for a new bar/restaurant downtown... but no one appreciates an overpriced "ass". --["AustinMerrill"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-09-18 19:17:07'' [[nbsp]] If you want wood-oven, gourmet pizza, this is ''not'' the place to go. My friends and I ordered three types of pizza: BBQ chicken, mushroom, and pepperoni/sausage. Aside from the pizzas' quality (sparse and mediocre toppings) and quantity (only eight inches) being incommensurate with the price ($9.95), the service was inattentive. If only Davis had an [http://www.ilvicino.com/ilvicino/index.asp Il Vicino]! --["ZacharyNorwood"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-09-22 00:53:42'' [[nbsp]] I've gone to Bistro 33 twice. The 1st time was for lunch and the food was overpriced and some food was disagreeable. I agree with the previous review regarding their 2 chowders and their service was slow but reasonable. I gave them a 2nd chance for a snack at 11 PM. Although the kitchen is open till midnight, the bouncers were out in force and were rude and demanded ID. I know that's their job but I told them off the bat that I only wanted dinner but they demanded ID regardless during their power trip. After dealing with the asses at the gate, I stood at the hostess station but didn't see a greeter and left soon afterward. I wouldn't mind if the service was like this at a club but if the restaurant's kitchen is still open, I expect to be treated as a customer who simply wants food. I was insulted to be treated like a criminal by the bouncers and ignored by the staff. I'm never going back. --["LiRic"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-10-02 10:54:57'' [[nbsp]] The food was pretty good, but there was hardly enough of it. My entree was a grand total of FIVE ravioli. Five! So my boyfriend and I actually ended up getting three entrees, and we were still hungry afterwards. The atmosphere was so-so. If you want a nice night out, go to Soga's or the Mustard Seed. They have better food, more food, and a nicer atmosphere. --["AndreaStewart"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-10-16 18:04:39'' [[nbsp]] ''Decent food, but not always worth the price.'' I went to Bistro 33 for my first time at lunch today. I ordered the crab cakes and the Puget Sound panini. Both were delicious. However, the prices leave something to be desired. The panini wasn't too expensive for what I got, but the crab cakes? I ordered them to split with another person. At $12.95, we figured we'd get a decent amount of crab cakes and we got two. TWO. The crab cakes were good, but not worth over $6 per cake. Service was so-so. Our server was absent for long periods of time and sometimes missed things we'd ask for, but not too horrible. --["RachelPeters"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-10-18'' [[nbsp]] I wrote a comment about how one of the waitresses was rude to a group of my frineds who happened to be leaving when I arrived one evening. My friends got their food paid for that night. On another occasion, I was assigned to the same woman's section, and she told me she had spit in our food. I notice that my discussion of this event is missing from this page, possibly because I did not list my name. Because there are several other comments by people who do not use their name, I kindly request that this note be left up, as it discusses the restaurant and is relevant. Unfortunately, none of the comments on this site can be verified, or shown to be untrue. But if we are to leave one up, we should leave them all. --["DisgustedDiner"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-12-05 19:13:50'' [[nbsp]] I had the Pudget Sound panini and it was devoid of any vegetables and that made the sandwich taste starchy, so I put the side salad on top of it. Overall, better sandwiches at Delta or the Nugget for a fraction of the price. As for the atmosphere, it's bleh to me, but I'm not into the cute-dressing-up-ness. Also, the outside decor reminded me of SF's Holocaust Memorial, not to relate the two at such a shallow level. --["ShayneErw"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-12-12 12:56:19'' [[nbsp]] Very Bad service, not very good food... The food was partialy OK mostly not good (for example the onion soup or the mushroom reviouly) the pizza got to the table cold and was heated in the microwave in 10 second. The wine was opened served into a dirty glass then pour to everyone without even the option to taste (she actually move the wine from the lipstick makred glass to a different one and left it to us !!!) and then the kids menu came with chicken fingers with 3 smily fies and then when we asked for addition (3!!, who's child will have enough) we were charged for it. The hair in the creme broule was a simbolic ending for a place that doesn't worth it, and defintly doesn't worth 30 mintues wait for a table --["GilCo"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-12-12 18:02:09'' [[nbsp]] I wonder if the management of Bistro 33 reads this page? Most of these problems would be SO easy to fix, and customers would be much happier. So much potential at this very nice location with a pleasant (although perhaps slightly overpriced) menu. I also one time, ordered a menu item that was completely innacurate in its description. Just little stupid things like that need to be overcome, if they're going to be as excellent as they potentially could be. --["JaimeRaba"]<br> + * I know for a fact that the management does read this page on occassion. Regarding the error on our menu, if you could be more specific, I could look into it. However, I do know that we have re-printed our menus once already (within the first month if I can remember accurately) to make them more accurate, but perhaps that needs to be done again? Also, I don't know if it's directly because of this page, but we've made a few changed to how we serve our customers, and other minor changes like printing out dessert/children's menus. Even if it may not seem like it always to the customers, we're constantly learning how to better serve our customers, and from my perspective it seems as though for the large part, we're succeeding (of course not always, mistakes are unfortunately human). Bistro doesn't have a microwave on its premises. --["AlvinTsao"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-12-18 22:01:50'' [[nbsp]] The bouncers here are complete assholes. They make the guests feel unwelcome. --["HenWeigh"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-12-19 08:37:34'' [[nbsp]] I was a little disappointed by the quality of the service, the salted cheesecake, the fries and the artichoke dip. None of them were high quality. --["JackHaskel"]<br> + <br> + ''2005-12-19 13:53:15'' [[nbsp]] went there Friday 12/16- will probably never go again. When we came in at 5:30 we were told it would be a 30 min wait, it ended up being 50 mins. The hostess apologized and was really friendly though. Then we were seated in a booth but we had 6 people ( 4 adults+2 kids). Because the bar is too close to the boothes, we kept getting elbowed by everyone who would walk by...We were given kids menus but the server didn't give the kids the drinks and fries that were supposed to come with the meal-we asked and she had to look at the menu to make sure that they were really supposed to get drinks but said the fries were a typo and they hadn't taken it off the menus yet. She gave us the fries anyway. For the money one pays, this is definitly not worth it. It was way too loud, cramped, and overpriced. Just not worth it overall. --["MyaBrn"]<br> + <br> + ''2006-04-30 13:39:02'' [[nbsp]] The girl who seated us seemed like Bistro was the last place she wanted to be, and I saw why. The waitress asked my friend and I whether anyone had taken care of us and she did, but then a different waitress brought the food out to us. After she took our orders, she forgot to remove the menus. The same one spilled glasses of Bloody Mary's on the patrons behind us, and she went around asking who had ordered the vegetable frittata. A waiter placed s&amp;p shakers on all the tables while we waited for our food (they should've been there when we sat down). The Northwest Scramble was tasty and very filling, but was not at all seasoned. I asked for some butter and the waitress who brought the food out (a blonde with a long ponytail) replied, "It's already on the bread." WOW. If I want more butter, gimme more butter, dammit! I wonder what she would've said if I'd asked for jam. My friend was impressed that they even had sourdough bread. The potatoes were very bland. At least our water glasses were topped off when they emptied, but if that goes to show how long we had to wait for the food. Considering how much we paid and that it's a "bistro", I would've expected much better service. Brunch would've been a total disaster if I didn't have good company. --["JennaChan"]<br> + <br> + <br> + [[Comments(Opinions and Reviews)]]<br> + <br> + --&gt;[[Include(IntegrateComments)]]&lt;--<br> + ------<br> + ''2005-09-25 00:43:52'' [[nbsp]] So I heard that one of the investors got tazered and the manager got fired because of an incident last week. Apparently the investor's bimbo girlfriend got upset when the investor was talking to anthoer girl, and broke a candle over his head. Someone called the cops, who showed up and tried to break up the fight. The investor got all up in the cop's faces, and tried to put one of the cops in a headlock. The investor was arrested, and put in the back of the cop car, at which point, the bimbo he was with, went around to the other side of the cop car and let him out and he started running down the street. The cops the tazered him and took him to jail. The next day, the cops met with the manager, who came to the meeting drunk. The cops said, ok, fine we'll just take your liquor liscence. And Bistro 33 fired the manager as recompense for the incident. --["ArlenAbraham"]<br> + * OK. Can we please keep comments that aren't about food or service off this page? Or at least place create a page for it elsewhere? This was such an exaggeration based on a shred of truth. Negative comments are valid, but libel/slander is not. I think it'd be bad form for me to make these changes, but if one of our great wiki gnomes could either start a page up for these rumors or just delete it like the comment people had problems with before I would be much obliged. I'm a server now, come sit in my section and I'll make sure everything runs smoothly for you. --["AlvinTsao"]<br> + * So, what actually happened? --["EdwinSaada"]<br> + * I promise to tell all that I know as soon as we can get another page to put it in, kind of like what the wiki community did for the Sigma Chi page. I don't care if there are negative comments on this page regarding food/service, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if there's another place to address rumors that'd be great. I also think this is true of the Sam's Mediterranean page. Unless there's hard proof and it concerns the actual dining experience it should go somewhere else. --["AlvinTsao"]<br> + * I heard it from a reliable source, and I'm going to stand by my hilarious story. You said ''"This was such an exaggeration based on a shred of truth."'' Do you know what actually happend? I've heard the same story from two reliable sources. - ["arlenabraham" arlen]<br> + ------<br> + ''2005-11-20 21:40:23'' [[nbsp]] So I just came back from this restaurant. Note that I only had about 75 dollars in my bank account at the time, so every penny means the world to me. But I went to this restaurant for a one year anniversary. The food was alright, and the service was nice. But when I came back home to check my available balance, I found out that I was overcharged. What the hell!!! So I thought I tipped quite generously, but I was ripped off of a very precious 2 dollars. 2 dollars could have paid for a very cheap meal the next day, but oh no... this restaurant took away the money I needed for survival. I am not returning ever again. It's only two dollars, but it's the principle of it all. --["KimYee"]<br> + * Check again in 3 days. That's a standard credit-card procedure with many restaurants, you'll only notice if you check online. A lot of places run the bill + 20% or something like that through the machine when they first scan it just to make sure it will go through (not be denied). They then later run the right amount and the charge is removed. Usually takes a couple business days before it finalizes for online statements. --["EdwinSaada"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2005-12-19 09:01:18'' [[nbsp]] I still have yet to go to this place to eat, but I have a friend who works as a server there. She says that when Bistro opened, a lot of the servers were green (did not have like, much to any experience serving) and that is what resulted in "a lot of bad reviews on the Davis Wiki." She's not a wikiholic, so I guess someone is talking about the fact that so many Davis residents are displeased with the quality of the service. I also heard (and right now, this is just a rumor until someone confirms it) that someone injured themselves very badly on the concrete patio on a bar night; effectively killing Bistro as a happening bar spot in Davis. --["SaulSugarman"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-01-20 00:52:31'' [[nbsp]] I was there tonight and I thought it was a nice experience. My only gripe was that the waitress was a bit slow. The first thing I noticed on the menu was how the prices seemed to form a gaussian around $9, which is a reasonable price for a dinner meal. I wonder what people would consider to be a good price for, say, a "Butternut Squash and Green Apple Soup"? I'm guessing some people want fancy food on the same pricing scheme as a Wendy's dollar menu. To which, I say, "Okay, there's a Wendy's on W. Cowell St. See ya." --["JesseSingh"]<br> + * Food cost at a restaurant is usually 25-30% of the menu price. A "serving" is 8 oz of soup. Math: If a butternut costs $2 ($0.89-1.19/lb), green apples cost $1/ea and you use three of them, and chicken broth costs $2/qt, then ingredient cost for 8 servings = $(2+3+2+2), or $1.13/serving--if you ignore the volume contributed by the squash and apples. $9 worth of ingredients probably yields at least 12 servings, at $0.75 each. Soup should be on the menu for $5 at most, but does go on the dollar menu for base costs. I've never eaten at Bistro 33 so this formula is pure speculation, but I hope my point is clear. --["JudithTruman"]<br> + * I can see the point you're trying to make, but I think your formula is waaay oversimplified. It completely fails to take into account numerous other important factors of eating in a restaurant. You aren't just paying for the meal when you sit down in a restaurant, you're paying a small part of the employees' salaries, the power bill, the water bill, the probably enormous property taxes, the general ambience, etc. And , of course, they're not selling food at cost, they're making a little profit as well. All those things add to the price. So I still don't know what people expect to pay at Bistro 33, except I do know that I showed up there on a Thursday night, and the place was packed. --["JesseSingh"]<br> + * I've responded to this site as an employee of Bistro 33, but I'm replying to this post as just another guy. As someone who really likes to cook, I know how expensive making certain things (like Cioppino for instance) can be. Now I'm sure our butternut/apple soup is no where as expensive as cioppino but there are a lot of ingredients that I can guess (I don't know for sure at this moment) that's in our soup (onions, creme fraiche, etc) that you aren't accounting for. I've made a lot of dinners for my friends where the final bill was 30-40 bucks more than I expected because of the more "insignificant" ingredients. But of course not all of it is based on the food itself as Singh pointed out. Besides..Bistro making a profit keeps me working.<br> + --["AlvinTsao"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-02-01 22:02:26'' [[nbsp]] I am really confused as to why there's a menu rather than a link to one; maybe if one had prices... --["JaimeRaba"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-02-03 03:59:59'' [[nbsp]] I'm continually amused at people's restaurant reviews where the author begins by saying something to the effect of: "The food was pricey." Guess what, you're eating at a restaurant. They can charge whatever they want. I've eaten at plenty of "pricey" restaurants, and surprise-surprise, the food usually isn't as shitty as what you would find in a 'cheap' place, like a Burger King or some other dump. Judith: I'd like to try some of the drugs you're on, because I'd have a blast oversimplifying how much to charge patrons for a cup of soup. --["JohnNapier"]<br> + * I've attended lectures/taken exams on food costing, the formulaic approach to determining menu prices for restaurants. My medications have nothing to do with this discourse. If you'd like to borrow my rose-colored glasses, that's a different story. --["JudithTruman" JT]<br> + <br> + I will dampen your blast, John, with an explanation:<br> + <br> + Food Costing begins with a few facts about wholesale prices of each raw ingredient, and then calculates the cost of the prepared product. Each food item on the inventory list has a waste% so that restaurants can order enough raw product to cover their prepared product needs. Five pounds of raw potatoes will not yield five pounds of peeled potatoes, so if you need 5lbs peeled potatoes, you've got to order 6-7 lbs potatoes, depending on potato size. Things like fluid milk or dry pasta have no waste associated with their use for inventory purposes. Restaurants aim for Cost of Food to be 25-30% of the menu price, modified to account for regional norms and to eliminate numbers that look way-off-scale compared to the rest of the menu. For example, if oranges cost $X/lb, and yield Y oz/juice per pound of oranges, then the juice costs $X per Y oz, and will be on the menu for 3-4 times that price, which may be more than a customer would expect to pay for a glass of orange juice. At that point, a restaurant may decide that frozen oj from concentrate is good enough, and will keep costs down. Other fruit juices on the menu would probably be listed at the same price as the orange juice. If grape costs $1, people might pay $3 for orange, but probably not be willing to pay $14 for fresh pineapple juice. As Jesse said above, the other 65-70% of the cost is for labor wages, overhead (rent/utilities), depreciation of equipment, taxes, furniture/decorations (pretty stuff costs more), and other business expenses, plus profit. I understand that the restaurant industry considers 5% net profit to be very good. --["JudithTruman" JT]<br> + <br> + * Thanks for the explanation on food costing, Judith, and I apologize for sounding like an asshole in my previous post. The truth is, I'm something of an asshole offline, so don't take it personally. Certainly, costing is a convoluted process that involves many inputs and considerations of alternatives, but determining how much you are actually able to get out of the consumer is entirely up to the market, as far as I'm concerned. Restaurants are able to stay in business by pricing their inventory and service with the market. When the market demand is high, you ask for the moon, like everyone else. Why? Because you have constraints like a limited amount of seating, service times, costs associated with serving patrons, etc., etc. Why charge lower prices than necessary when the business is going gangbusters and you have a large number of patrons flocking to the restaurant? Especially when your business is relatively new and popular, like the case with the Bistro. Charging high enough prices to skim off demand that is willing to pay those prices (enough only such that your business is still slightly below capacity) is a shrewd business move, so long as the patrons come back and encourage more business. If Bistro is doing that, successfully, then good for them. --["JohnNapier"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-02-03 06:34:47'' [[nbsp]] are you a retard? People complain when food is pricey and isn't good enough to match the price. --["ApolloStumpy"]<br> + * Who is this directed at? --["JudithTruman" JT]<br> + * Cute little smartass insult, Apollo. How exactly do you determine if the quality is matching the price? It's a popular restaurant, so certainly some people think it is worth the price, despite your opinion. How do you know what the price 'should' hypothetically be, anyway? Are you a respected professional restaurant reviewer, labor union foreman, property appraiser, accounting consultant, and food costing specialist, all rolled into one? Newsflash: things like 'good' and 'tastes good' are subjective bullshit opinions that are as often agreed upon as disagreed upon. Furthermore, eating in a quasi-good restaurant is routinely more expensive than making your own food, unless you live in a region (i.e. Manhattan) with a limited number of accessable bulk-priced grocery stores or all you eat is shit in McDonalds. So, your fantasy of what the price 'should be' is likely diluted with what you know about the actual cost of the ingredients involved in concocting a similar meal. But, I guess I'll go back to trying to bite my own ear now, because I'm retarded. --["JohnNapier"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-02-06 12:51:01'' [[nbsp]] After reading all of the above, I had the opportunity to check this place out for myself. On a Saturday night, the wait time was about 40 minutes. We managed to get a spot at a bar table quickly and were able to order food from there. We ordered the fries appetizer, I had a steak sandwich, and my companions tried the meatloaf and the fettucini with seared prawns. The wait staff was friendly, as was our waiter. The appetizer arrived at the same time as our dinner, which was odd, and somewhat disappointing. But the fries were very good -- they looked like in-and-out fries, but tasted much better. The ranch/blue cheese dip for them was particularily good. My steak sandwich was excellent, although it came with shoestring potatos that were so skinny it was like trying to eat a bunch of toothpicks. They were tasty, but it took way too much effort to gather all of them up in a manageable way. My companions said the meatloaf and fettucini were both excellent. Overall, dinner cost about $55 for the three of us (after tax/tip), and that's drinking mostly water. A tad on the pricy side for the size of the portions you get, but the food was very good. I would go back. --["AlexPomeranz"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-02-06 16:19:45'' [[nbsp]] I've been here several times and always liked it, but about 3 weeks ago we had a pretty crappy experience. Went there for some drinks and appetizers, everything was fine (though I do not recommend the black raspberry cooler, tasted horrible imo, but hey, it happens when you order randomly). But some server walking by dropped a cup, and the contents splashed over two of our party members. It wasn't much, but him and someone else scurried over with napkins, and kept saying "its not much" or "not too bad, sorry". It did take them a few minutes to wipe clean her jacket from the chair, and her back as well. Our friend next to her got splashed as well but he wasn't lucky enough to get a wipe down. I understand accidents happen, but I thought it was pretty lame they just tried to hide/clean it up asap with napkins and downplay it. I was hoping he'd comp us some drinks or an appetizer to make up for it. But I didn't want to make a big deal out of it and kill the group mood. --["EdwinSaada"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-02-08 23:18:28'' [[nbsp]] Happy Hour? How about Sour Hour? After debating the merits of every bar's Happy Hour, my friends and I decided to try Bistro's because it seemed like a fairly good deal for the environment. Needless to say, it was NOT Happy Hour although we got there circa 5:20PM and Wiki says that Bistro's Happy Hour ends at 6PM. The drinks were full priced and horrible. Three drinks were ordered: A Cran/Vodka, a Seabreeze and a Bloody Mary. The Cran/Vodka was watered down, the Seabreeze was made incorrectly and the Bloody Mary was HORRIBLE--too much celery flavor and pepper. The bartender was not at all friendly and didn't ask how the Bloody Mary should be made. Granted, I could have said a few modifications however I was curious to see what the "standard" BM would be at Bistro. Along with a celery stalk, I was given an olive and a wedge of lime. The lime was old and the skin was brown--ewww! Overall, presentation was too much. So much for Bistro! =( --["KarlaFung"] How did they make the Seabreeze wrong, out of curiosity?<br> + --Well, I didn't taste it, but my friend who got it said that they mixed up the juice. Maybe he thought "Bay Breeze"? Either way, 3 people were quite unhappy with drinks that they usually get.<br> + <br> + Went here for Valentine's recently. Decor is comfortable and nice, and atomsphere is very chill. There are some big flat panel tvs near the bar for sports, but a quieter atmoshphere for couples and the like is available in the front courtyard and the rear of the restaurant. Service is good with little wait time for reservations (we were 10 minutes late for ours). We ordered the bleu cheese/vinegar/peach ketchup fries for appetizer, roasted salmon and mushroom ravioli for entree, and cheesecake for dessert. All of them tasted pretty good, although the portions were quite small for the price (except the cheesecake, which was probably enough for 3 people). Cost a total of 50 bucks. Good for any occasion, if you have the money to spare. --["ArnoldLau"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-03-05 08:14:32'' [[nbsp]] Excellent service; my brother-in-law phone-ordered a gift certificate for us for Christmas. A staff member was concerned that the mail would be too slow, so he hand-delivered the gift certificate to our house. Staff members are always friendly and some have even remembered our previous orders. --["JenThornton"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-03-15 21:24:30'' [[nbsp]] Pancetta prawns is the best. I liked the burger as well. The place looks really nice but the food isn't that great and is overpriced. For breakfast I reccomend the waffle or french toast byt not the crab omelette they barely give you any crab. Service is iffy they're good sometimes and bad sometimes. --["JessicaFu"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-03-25 08:45:41'' [[nbsp]] Went there with my boyfriend on a rainy day and wasn't terribly impressed. Our waiter was attentive, but kind of odd in general. When telling us the soup of the day he started with "I know this isn't very exciting, but our soup of the day is....". I mean, c'mon, you just don't do that. Also, the table we had was kind of squeezed in the corner in a very odd shape. We kept accidentally kicking each other because of the narrowness. The portions were indeed small, but I'm okay with that as long as the food is quality. Honestly though, this food wasn't anything to write home about. I had the meatloaf, which was decent, and Luke had the steak sandwich, which he couldn't even eat. Our appetizers(chips and dip, toasted cheese ravioli) were pretty good. I liked the citrus flair in the salsa and guacomole. --["JillWeinstein"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-03-29 14:51:26'' [[nbsp]] I've been there once. Some of the food portions are decent for the price charged, while other portions are too small (otherwise known as overpriced). That probably wouldn't have bothered us too much had we not noticed the 18% gratuity added for groups of six or more (surprise, surpirse, we had exactly six people). Also, our server was very eager to recommend some dinner (I forgot what it was) at least five times. She also seemed insistent on taking our plates the minute we seemed to have finished our food, even if we truely hadn't. Overall, I'd like to see the service be a little slower, a little friendlier to serve the interests of the customers -- not those of the establishment. The food, however, was pretty good. I would go there again for sure, but not very frequently. --["TusharRawat"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-04-10 20:37:47'' [[nbsp]] After seeing the bad reviews this place got, I was hesitent to try it, yet did end up going with many chaps from my dorm for a friend's birthday. The food was way to expensive, and even charged us 10$ for bringing out a prebought cake. Positively, the Shrimp Cigars were uber good - at least with the colored (plum?) sauce. If I go back, I'll probably order that again. The Salmon sandwich was way too small and poor tasting. At least it came with more mini french fries than I could eat. I'd go back if they make their prices more reasonable, probably. --["JosephBleckman"]<br> + ------<br> + ''WARNING TO ALL READERS:'' On Wednesday evening a group of four girlfriends and I went to the Bistro for a friend's birthday with dinner reservations at 6:15. Arriving on time, the hostess told us there would be a 10-15 minute wait for a table outside; it took 25 minutes while a large party of 10+ and a party of 2 (all of whom arrived after us) were seated. Once at our table our waitress got us our drinks and took our order, however ONE AND A HALF hours later (at 7:45) after making 2 inquiries with a hostess who ignored us, we were told our dinner would be out immediately along with the manager per our request. When the salads, sandwiches, and my small appetizer of fries finally arrive along with the manager (Kurt) we explain how rude it was to have such a long wait for seating, attention, and food at 6pm on a Wednesday. Unapologetically he cuts my friend off with, "I don't get it? What are you trying to say?" What my party and I were trying to communicate was that we have never been treated so poorly in any other establishment in Davis and we deserved no such treatment; we will be pursing this matter through the proper channels. ''So therefore I would like to warn all readers that this second rate, poor excuse for a restaurant does not deserve your business, the management was rude, the service inept and I hope no one else will have to suffer such treatment. STAY AWAY.'' --["LisaBeth"]<br> + <br> + * ''WHAT MS. BETH FORGOT TO MENTION:'' I am a server at Bistro 33 and was working during the incident Ms. Beth has described. While I regret she did not enjoy her dining experience at Bistro, it seems a bit trifling that she has gone out of her way to leave out several key details in her comment, which I wish to clarify. To begin, when Ms. Beth's party arrived at Bistro we had our VIP table (overlooking the bar) prepared and we were ready to seat them immediately. However, upon arrival, her party requested a table on our patio, something that wasn't immediately available for them due to parties already dining on the patio and reservations which had specifically requested tables on the patio (which would also explain why two other parties, both with reservations and pre-made requests for patio tables, were seated). Furthermore, Ms. Beth's party was able to, and in fact did, wait at the bar where they enjoyed cocktails and the service of our bar staff until their table was ready. There is no dispute that, through absolutely no fault of the people mentioned (hostess, server, and manager) there was a slight delay in the delivery of food. Firstly, however, besides notifying the pertinent server of the inquiry, which was done twice, the hostess is obligated to remain at her station and has done nothing in her career at Bistro to suggest she would ignore a patron. Next, I have never dined in a restaurant where you could start counting the time it took to receive a meal from the moment you are scheduled to walk in the door. After deducting time for a short wait, a trip to the bar, and the formalities of being greeted by the server, the actual wait time was far shorter for the 1 ½ hours quoted. I would also like to point out the inconsistency in times mentioned (6:15 and then 6), as well as the fact that the management obviously has no control over the weather and its ability to draw an unusually large Wednesday night crowd. Finally, Kurt is well known by staff and patrons alike as a very gracious and helpful manager. He did, in fact, communicate with the party to try and understand the problem (it was, after all, the first he’d heard of it), offer an apology for the unusual, but in my personal opinion not unbearable, wait time, and proceed to discount the party's entire bill to $0. In conclusion, I would like to sincerely apologize that, in what is becoming a far less frequent occurrence at Bistro, mistakes are made. However, I happen to know that the staff on the night in question, and Kurt specifically, went out of their way to accommodate the party’s requests and did everything possible to rectify the situation that ensued, including comping the whole meal, and to no avail. It was unfortunate but completely out of the staff’s control. A mistake was made (unfortunately they are human) and we did out best to fix it, bottom line. I find it hard to believe anyone could feel that one mistake, coupled with a short wait due only to the party’s seating preference, could justify such a vicious attack on Bistro in such an unjustified and uncalled for way. Having worked at several restaurants in Davis, I dare you to find one where mistakes aren’t made. ["Drew Kyler"]<br> + * Thanks for the response, Drew. The wiki would definitely benefit from more business-side feedback, especially on user comments. heh, this exchange reminded me of Paul Harvey's "and now you know the rest of the story." ["CraigBrozinsky"]<br> + <br> + * Not affiliated with the restaurant or the wiki, just a "citizen editor" that has taken it upon himself to tone down the font above post by LisaBeth from acres of CAPITALIZED bold-face screaming down to something that is not a poke in the eye. LisaBeth can rant and rave all she wants, and use whatever language. But I draw the line at attempts to gain attention through visual technique. Her words are no more and no less valuable than any others on this page, and therefore should compete for your attention on the usual merits of ideas, logic, sentence construction and grammar, and not on the wiki equivalent of the HTML BLINK tag. In order not to single her out, I have also made changes to other posts, such as the one above by DrewKyler. In the unending pursuit of civilized discourse, I remain, yr humble servant, H. Toppe ["HughToppe"]<br> + <br> + <br> + [[BR]]''WHAT MR.KYLER FAILED TO ACCOUNT FOR'': First and foremost I would like to say I am pleased to know that employees from the establishments in the area read this website and try to account for the opinions posted on this site. However, Mr. Kyler’s account of the evening was faulty and blatantly false in many points. Although, I am sure Mr. Kyler was at the restaurant the evening in question he was neither at my table, nor present during the inquiries with the hostesses, waitress nor with Kurt. To begin, this was the first time any of our party had been to the Bistro 33 and when we made reservations we were never offered or told that patio seating was even an option, thus when we arrived we did make a change. Second, although the manager Kurt may be gracious and helpful to others he was everything but so to our party. After speaking twice to the waitress and hostesses, Kurt came to our table and offered no apology (a fact to which I have four people attesting to) and where Mr. Kyler was not present. My party and I were willing to stay had we been offered an explanation or an apology from management, but our final decision to leave was based solely on the fact that we were treated rudely by Kurt. Kurt did not go out of his way to accommodate us; again he offered no apology, cut us off during our explanation, failed to see our point (I quote verbatim, “I don’t get it? What are you trying to say?”) and offered us no compensation what so ever. He never offered us to compensate the price of our meal as Mr. Kyler states, because had he done so we would have stayed due to the fact that is was a friend’s birthday dinner. Finally, although I understand that due to the reasonably warm weather that day a restaurant like the Bistro might experience an influx of patrons wanting to sit on the patio, but waiting till 7:45 pm (the time my party finally received our food before leaving) for two sandwiches, two salads and an order of fries is ridiculous. Our request for good service, or in this case any service, is neither unreasonable nor unjustified and the comments I made were neither vicious nor uncalled for, they are honest and just. I stand by my opinion, and while I appreciate Mr. Kyler’s attention to this matter and his general apology, I maintain that the service was poor and that we were treated unfairly. In all fairness, I do concede two points; 1) the reservations were in fact made for 6:15 pm, I was told 6 pm so that was my mistake (however the wait time was 25 minutes not 10-15 as we were told), 2) the waitress did apologize, but offered us no explanation, or compensation and did leave our party unattended for an hour until we sought her attention (which was when we asked to speak to the management). Having worked in restaurants and in customer service in and outside of Davis I can also understand that mistakes are made, however my point is that I have never experienced bad service of this magnitude (between the hostesses, waitress and management) and I would like to keep others from having their evening ruined by poor service. At this point nothing short of an apology from the management would rectify this situation or change my opinion of this restaurant, however based on recent history I will not hold my breath.<br> + * I'm confused. Did you actually pay your bill on the night in question?? -- DrewKyler<br> + * Finally, someone else is as horrified by the poor service and even poorer management as I have been. As I stated above, this place borders on the need to call the health department. I also find it offensive that the employees who read these pages spend so much time attacking the patrons instead of listening to their comments and taking them to heart. I cannot wait until someone else takes this place over, or they lose their lease, or they go under because people start to boycott. I look forward to when the NEXT restaurant opens in this fabulous location. -''DisgustedDiner''<br> + * ''It should be noted that DrewKyler deleted the above comment by DisgustedDiner, obfuscating the edit with a replacement by his "I'm confused..." comment, either intentionally or unintentionally.'' -- ["JabberWokky" jw]<br> + * I would like to point out that if I did, in fact, delete the disgusteddiner comment it was completely accidental and I apologize. However, since it has been brought to my attention I would like to respond to the disgusting comment and its author. Firstly, I am extremely curious as to what gives you the notion our restaurant "borders on the need to call the health department"? That comment is so extremely erroneous it voids most of the author’s credibility. Do they work for the health department? Are they familiar with local health codes? Also, when was the last time a patron was allowed in the kitchen (the area the health department inspects)? Furthermore, part of our kitchen and our entire bar are in plain view of diners and obviously well maintained. Next, I began commenting on this forum for the sole purpose of clarifying misunderstandings in different posts. I have not, nor would I, attacked a patron through this forum. Finally, the Bistro concept has been around for 11 years with huge popularity, major growth, and there will be no NEXT restaurant because we're not going anywhere. -- DrewKyler<br> + <br> + I think if you decide to change your reservation when you get there and request a different table with a large party, you've forfeited your right to a quick table. If you were in a hurry you should have taken the available table. She said 15 minutes and it took 25? Boo hoo. If you've worked in a restaurant then you know all too well it's not an exact science. People camp at tables. Likewise, IF your entire bill was comped you have no right to complain about the service, in my opinion. Free food and drinks for a bunch of people, but you had to wait for it? Boo hoo. Please take a step back and realize how spoiled rotten you must be to complain about such treatment. --JeffSpeckles, NOT an employee of Bistro--<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-04-20 10:20:41'' [[nbsp]] I've eaten at Bistro 33 numerous times and have experienced both extremely good, mediocre and irritating. The service seems to be better with smaller groups and more can go wrong with larger ones. The most enjoyable meal that I had there was when my husband and I ate there one evening. The service was excellent, we were seated after a comfortable waiting period, we weren't rushed and the food we ordered was very good. I experienced mediocre when I went there with a small group (8 people) from work at 5:30 pm. There really aren't tables that accomodate a larger group like that. I experienced irritating when I went there with my family for my father's birthday. Parts of the family were seated separately by mistake an we each waited an hour for each other to arrive. This happened even though we told the hostess that we were there for a party. As I think that the majority of the mistakes are made relative to the size of the group, perhaps restaurant management could assign someone to handle the groups --["SharlaDaly"]<br> + * Did you call ahead and make reservations? --["TusharRawat"]<br> + <br> + * Yes, for both of the the groups. No, for the dinner with just my husband. - ["SharlaDaly"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-04-25 10:24:59'' [[nbsp]] i haven't eaten here but I can attest that the Trivia Pub Quiz is really fun, as is the Quiz Mistress. --["RohiniJasavala"]<br> + <br> + ------<br> + 04/28/2006 I have eaten at Bistro many times and am a frequent patron of the bar. I think the service is on the whole good and mistakes are made during busy times. The food is fine for the price, the staff accomodating but what irks me are the patrons who think they are in a glitzy restaurant. Its Davis and though decorated better than most Davis restaurants its still a intermediate if not high low priced place to dine. People that go there have some serious issues if they expect a sommelier and college wait staff kissing their buttocks. But you already knew that, didn't you? --''Jonathan Nasca''<br> + ------<br> + I also have eaten at Bistro 33 and their sister restaurant 33rd St Bistro numerous times. While sometimes I have noticed a delay in food delivery, or water refills, I have always left satisfied and full. Every time anybody walks through those doors, they walk under a big sign that says "Bistro 33". What is a bistro, I ask myself, well according to Webster's dictionary, it is,"a small or unpretentious restaurant." Ok. They didn't get the small part down. For those of you non-UC types, unpretentious is,"free from ostentation, elegance, or affectation : MODEST ." Mmmmmm. Not fine dining. Maybe the owners should have NOT made it so appealing to look at, and dumbed down the menu to please the Davis crowd and give them what they expect. Or maybe the Davis crowd should resist from complaining, not wallow in arrogance and ignorance, and take the Bistro for what is is... A BISTRO! Not fine dining. It's in the name for Christ's sake! Where do you all go for fine dinning, France? I feel comfortable wearing flip-flops and a tube top sitting anywhere inside or out, and I don't get any snooty looks, except from the patrons. -''MollyEvans''<br> + <br> + * Cheers to that! -- DrewKyler<br> + * That still doesn't explain/justify the bad customer service that Bistro 33 is providing. I'm pretty sure us Davis folks don't see the place as "fine dining." PattyLouieJunior<br> + <br> + ------<br> + Wow, people are really passionate about this place! My friends and I have eaten here a couple of times. The food is fine (breakfast both times), but the service was extremely poor. Some waiters/waitresses were working very hard, but some were not, ours included (OK, to be fair she may have been working hard, but nowhere in sight). An hour after finishing our meal, someone (a hostess? I'm not sure) finally got our bill to us, then proceeded to stand over us while we figured out the bill. That was an hour with no coffee or water refills, our finished breakfast plates in front of us. Having a staff member stand over us, chomping her gum, was not a good way to end our meal. I really usually don't complain about this stuff, but a simple "sorry it took us so long" goes a long way! By the way, we all prefer the Riverside Clubhouse in Sacramento, which is owned by the same group - better food, better service.<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-05-13 23:48:21'' [[nbsp]] This place sucks. Yes, I know they have a nice place. It looks hip and all. However, the serice sucks. I went here and ordered a glass of Merlot. I had to wait 5 minutes because they ran out of wine glasses. I waited patiently. Finally, I got my glass of wine. I swirled it and noticed that there was lipstick mark on the glass (totally disgusting...how clean is this place???). I told the bar tender that my glass is dirty. What did he do? He pours my wine in a new glass. I thought that was rude and showed lack of training and hygiene. I asked him that he should really pour me a new wine from the bottle. He smirks and then pours me half a glass of wine. Folks, this place looks nice but it's tacky and dirty. If you decide to go to this place, be mindful of how clean your food and drinks are. A friendly warning. --["JerDiaz"]<br> + <br> + Obviously you will always have the high maintenance types that find something wrong with their dining experience no matter what, but in all honesty, my first and last experience at this place was pretty bad. Here's my list: 1. Long wait, but understandable considering the "popularity" 2. Tiniest table I have ever sat at, nearly rubbing elbows with the couple seated next to us. 3. Sat with our menus down (I thought this was the international "we're ready to order" signal) for an unusually long time waiting to have our orders taken. 4. Worse mojito I have ever had. 5. Gave us two tiny pieces of bread and never even offered to give us more. When we asked, we were given a "look" and given one more tiny piece. 6. Even longer wait for food, arrived luke warm. Would have asked for the food to be warmed up, but after being treated so poorly by the server, didn't see the need. 7. Ridiculously small portions for the price. If it's supposed to be all cute and quaint like a bistro, offer some goddamned prices to match! 8. Even after all this, I still ordered a dessert which was okay, but in no way "made up" for the main course. 9. All in all we ordered over $60 of food and drink between the two of us and were still treated horribly the whole time. I even gave the 15% tip because I'm not an asshole like the server was to us. With that one condescending, evil look and the rest of the experience, I decided just to never come back and to tell as many people as possible about how aweful it was. If you love poor service and ridiculous price/portion ratio, you'll love Bistro 33. Sorry management, these were my honest experiences. ["TylerFelix"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-06-13 14:11:00'' [[nbsp]] My boyfriend and I ate here a few months ago. We ended up ordering three entrees (including one labeled as "large"), and we were still super hungry afterwards. The portions are small. The food itself isn't bad, nothing to write home about, but not terrible. For the portion size, I felt it was expensive. The atmosphere is nice, service was good, and we'll probably try it again, just not when we're so hungry. --["AndreaStewart"]<br> + <br> + I wanted to comment that I think it is strange that an employee thinks that the Health Department is only concerned with the kitchen. As if there would be no Health Code violation for, say, a waitress spitting in a customer's food unless the event took place there. FYI DrewKyler, the Health Department is concerned with the cleanliness of an entire restaurant. And as for your comment about your "not going anywhere".... from the looks of things... pity.<br> + <br> + <br> + What's a pity is longing for the restaurant to close when it is obviously a very popular place for breakfast, lunch, dinner and social events like college night, dancing the bar and Pub Quiz. It reminds me of Menken's definition of puritanism "the haunting feeling that someone , somewhere might be happy," read that as if you don't like the place don't go I will be much happier not having to see, dine with or be in the same 100 square foot zone as people of your ilk. In defense of Mr. Kyler, arguably one of the best servers in Davis, it is obvious that he was not mentioning the kitchen in any exclusionary sense of the disjunct in question , it is obvious to him , me and everyone besides yourself that the rest of the restaurant is exposed and is clean such that it did not warrant consideration by the Health Departments as it speaks for itself. -Jonathan Nasca<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-07-26 14:20:12'' [[nbsp]] I went there last week for a few drinks with a friend. We paid the tab with a credit card and left a 4 dollar tip. The next day my friend happened to look at the receipt and there was a $10 gratiuity charge along with the $4 tip she left. We bought three drinks in all. I dont know if this has happened to anyone else, but please leave a comment if it has. --["JamesSchwab"]<br> + * ''Are you sure the $10 wasn't a [http://www.faqfarm.com/Q/Why_would_a_restaurant_put_a_temporary_charge_on_your_credit_card authorizing charge]? They show up, especially on your internet statement, but if you look carefully, you'll notice that they don't actually apply against your available balance. They also disappear about two days or so later (sometimes a few days). They are how restaurants (and other service places) can run your card and then add a tip later without having to ask for your card again. It's a standard credit card thing (or debit card used as a credit card). Confusing, sometimes upsetting, but utterly standard and it has nothing to do with a scam or anything underhanded.'' -- ["JabberWokky" jw]<br> + * ''As an interesting side note, it could be worse. Some colleges do an authorization charge on [http://www.gdn.edu/admissions/Tuition/guidelines.asp tuition]. Could you image the heart attack when it looks like you've been charged twice for your classes for a few days?'' -- ["JabberWokky" jw]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div>