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Summary: sritern and MichaelMikey have great certainty that the comments here are without merit and just chop shop talk. How is Davis Wiki allowed to operate? The page has been restored. This comment was left for sritern explaining why the page is being restored. Sritern un-bolded the problem comment on the page, and that was reverted as well, with this explanation to Sritern. ... "And that's what happened on Glee!"
Comment copied here from TomGarberson's user page:
2012-02-01 10:45:32 appreciate it as well looking into that user "sbyun" with jabberwocky's direction/I believe it's safe to assume that Davis Wiki/Wiki Spot is here for positive reasons to give the REAL picture of Davis correct? —MichaelMikey
I'm reluctant to try to draft a mission statement for Davis Wiki and Wiki Spot here on the fly (and to be clear: I'm just a user/editor of the wiki, on exactly the same ground as you or anyone else), but in essence, yeah, Davis Wiki tries to have a positive effect in the Davis community by providing information on Davis and everything in it. Sometimes that information may be negative in tone. Wiki Spot is a separate entity which doesn't oversee Davis Wiki in any meaningful sense. Does that answer your question? —TomGarberson
Great, I'm all for providing a great information site on Davis, but there should be guidelines don't you think Tom as there are biases for things left?..For example I can simply say "Tom Garberson, you're such an evil person, why did you steal mary's purse and beat her 7-year old grandkid? Moreover, Tom is a fan of Jerry Sandusky which brings doubts as well..That was such an awful thing, how can you live with yourself?...Now, of course, this is utter non-sense and just bogus and doesn't even make sense, but when people search they'll see "Tom Garberson associated with beating a grandma, kid, and sandusky" and majority of people just draw a conclusion that Tom is a person not associating with, when he in fact can't even defend himself as they'll already have their judgement in place?
Make sense? —MichaelMikey
Ok, so you're upset about things written on this page. What things in particular are you upset about? And why do you think they're unfair or untrue? —WilliamLewis
For the comment brought up above William..why not address the person personally and give them a chance to explain in a civil manner, rather than some quack msg. board site here where the person isn't notified and has nothing regarding the property in the first place?...I'm all for discussing one's experience with a business and their products, which is the reason I write reviews for sites like Yelp, etc., but they have guidelines where you can't attack one's religion, race, and if personal names are used, they first give that person a chance to respond or else they can and have in this case simply write non-sense like the comment I wrote above about Tom who I've never met and didn't even know existed until ~30 mins. ago —MichaelMikey
Ok. I understand you're upset about some content on this page and you wish this site was run more like Yelp. (As an aside, there are guidelines about what is and isn't acceptable, though they aren't written in stone. I can't find anything particularly objectionable.) However, if you can't give any specific examples of content that upsets you, we can't discuss it. Please cite specific content on the page and we'll work through this. —WilliamLewis
I agree. For starters, this chat room style is not too credible. Tom Garberson can very well be unfairly associated with things that are incorrect. I'm sorry to say, but that is a fact. We go on trust just cause it is on the internet. That said, user: sbyun has comments every year from years 2007-2010. In fact, this user started the page and has only written personal and negative things. It is a personal hate page towards ali and michelle. Not sure who this is and this is clearly personal vendetta and harassment. Here is the userinfo: http://daviswiki.org/Users/sbyun?action=userinfo. You can archive if you want to have on file for legal threats should more of this continue. I am not Ali or Michelle.
Tom, who is a lawyer, could sue you over that last comment. Cut it out. As for sbyun, that doesn't look like a personal vendetta. I've had my share of lousy landlords over the years and that's the kind of stuff I'd write. Yeah, he probably moved out long ago, but that doesn't mean anything. I keep tabs on things I'm no longer involved with. For example, I'm still editing here even though I no longer live in Davis. And it's not because I have vendettas against anyone. As for you not being Ali or Michelle, perhaps that is true. But you were the one who tried to mislead people by claiming this place changed management/ownership, giving the name of a defunct corporation that used to be run by Ali. Why would someone who is unaffiliated with them try to mislead people like that? —WilliamLewis
Wow, seriously, guys? You can't come up with a way to discuss this that doesn't involve suggesting that I'm a child molester, thief, and elder/child abuser? I'm not sure whether you're just making some really bad judgment calls in trying to make a point or whether you're trying to bully me to get your way. Regardless, I'm going to ask nicely this time: please cut it out. —TomGarberson
It seems that businesses talk themselves into more problems than they talk themselves out of. -MikeyCrews
I don't agree with those userss comments addressing you Tom or anybody personally for that matter and was more addressing my issue how these msgs. boards foster these kind of bogus discussions and causes you to now have to even justify with a response since there are no guidelines to this site on cutting out bogus comments...Not trying to bully at all since again from what I see on your page you're a great family man, accomplished individual and upstanding citizen, but so are many other people that this site just serves as a spring board for hateful comments like what we're doing exactly on this conversation huh?
Oh sure WilliamLewis, I just read your question now..sbyun is making a claim that landlord breaks tenant right of having at least 24 hours notice and "he frequently checks in on the apartments and will appear when you least expect it." that's utterly false and just bogus, just like the claims to Tom here, but why is that still up there/have to be justified with a response like Tom has to be here or you in fact what about the posting that reads now that
[defamatory comment removed]
It's completely believable to me that the landlord did not give proper notice. It's happened to me in virtually every apartment that I ever rented. (Note: undergrad + grad + starting academic = lots of apartments rented). —CovertProfessor
Actually talk pages are typically deleted when the conversation ends. ⁓ʝ⍵
I see my comment was removed and claimed as defamatory, who made that conclusion. which I by the way completely AGREE with? who are you to be the community WilliamLewis and ban me ? Moreover, I choose not to use my real name for these exact reasons as some nut-ball ( as I'm just acting to be in this and in fact a reasonable person) can simply make these pointless conversations..
By not using your name you are no better than the "nut-ball" you refer to. Matter of fact if you wipe out the main Boardwalk Apartment page again, I'll initiate a ban vote against you Mikey.—Users/PeterBoulay
PeterBoulay, why is it wrong to deleted the page if I feel that is best for the community honestly? I mean why would I get banned? Moreover, what is your interest in this, are you sbyun with a different username?
Peter is not sbyun. None of us in this conversation are; we're all people who care about the wiki. Deleting a page is vandalism to the wiki. —CovertProfessor
You make one more defamatory comment here and I will call for your ban. And then you will have no say in this matter. Cut it out. There is absolutely no basis for your comment and it makes dealing with this issue impossible. This community will not tolerate these shenanigans. Period. As for the comments you just brought to light about tenants not receiving proper notice and the landlords checking in frequently, how do you know these things are false? Are you Ali or Michelle? If so, why are you hiding behind a fake name? In my experience, this is actually a common occurrence amongst properties not managed by a professional management company, legal or not. It's certainly believable. —WilliamLewis
At PeterBoulay, this is my original statement exactly, lol, and thank you for elucidating my point where garbage is just spewed here..
In sum, please delete my comments about Tom and anything else hurtful, I'm honestly glad William you deleted that previous comment since I'm a person who promotes peace and respectful dialogue. Again, my relation to these people have no bearing on my argument where I very well can just be a concerned citizen who don't appreciate people having hurtful things said about them..Moreover, I don't like Tom, who again I've never met, being targeted and associated with bad things, and so instead of having him even have to defend his comment, think it should just be removed, but only if these comments about ali/michelle are and many other comments I've seen on this site...is that so much to ask for simple fairness? why should Tom or you William have their name protected, but the innocent person who doesn't know how to operate this site have to suffer? —MichaelMikey
What I think you're missing is that it's longstanding practice on this wiki that, so long as the comments are not personal attacks (and these are not) or contain demonstrable falsehoods (and no one has shown that the claims are false), the comments stay. That way, pages for businesses reflect many different viewpoints about the business, both good and bad. Business owners are encouraged to respond in ways that show their professionalism and customer service — a good response can completely turn around a complaint like that, turning a negative into a positive. In short, you're fighting longstanding wiki practice that has good reasons for being the way that it is, and expecting the rules to be changed for this one case. That is not likely to happen. —CovertProfessor
Ok, I think my point is being missed CovertProfessor (btw, PeterBoulay, the person here doesn't use his real name, is he a fake person?? Again no consistency in targeting him but that's a digression) where why should somebody even have to answer back a frivolous claim when a resonsible website should have basic guidelines as I noted above? Come on, it says your a professor and have to assume an intelligent person who sees that point?
Answering criticisms is part of being a business owner, just as answering grade complaints is part of my job, whether they are frivolous or justified. —CovertProfessor
CovertProfessor, Please read some of the comments and say they're not personal attacks. Moreover, how is a business owner encouraged to respond when no email or communication is provided to him/her that these accusations were made and asked to defend one's self?
Which comments do you see as personal attacks? Please list them here. And if you are concerned that the business owner is unaware of these comments, I recommend that you contact him/her and provide your assistance in responding. —CovertProfessor