Recent Changes for "Cambridge House Apartments/Talk" - Davis Wikihttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/TalkRecent Changes of the page "Cambridge House Apartments/Talk" on Davis Wiki.en-us Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2014-03-27 09:53:02BrynNComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 25: </td> <td> Line 25: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2014-03-27 10:53:02'' [[nbsp]] I am the manager of Cambridge House apartments and have noticed there are very old comments posted on our page. Can you please archive all comments prior to 2013 so they are current?<br> + <br> + Thank you --["Users/BrynN"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2013-04-19 16:01:04PeteB <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 24: </td> <td> Line 24: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Please consider closing this account and making your own account. I will mark the Monica account for closure. Thank you. --["Users/PeteB"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2013-04-19 15:55:02MonicaAtCambridgeComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 22: </td> <td> Line 22: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2013-04-19 16:55:02'' [[nbsp]] I can assure you I wasn't, as I wasn't working for this company in 2011. My name is Bryn- not Monica. --["Users/MonicaAtCambridge"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2013-04-19 15:47:18PeteBComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 20: </td> <td> Line 20: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2013-04-19 16:47:18'' [[nbsp]] Monica-I have a concern. The [http://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments?action=info history] of ["Cambridge House Apartments"] shows you were posting Management actions as of 2011-05-09. Looks to me as if you were Managing the complex long before December 2012. --["Users/PeteB"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2013-04-19 15:29:13MonicaAtCambridgeComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 18: </td> <td> Line 18: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2013-04-19 16:29:13'' [[nbsp]] Ok, I understand. Thank you for your prompt response. I just went in and responded to a few of the most recent comments. We took over in December 2012. I do see the request for *Monica at the top of our page. You are also welcome to email me any time you need anything at cambridge_mgr@aspensquare.com. Thank you --["Users/MonicaAtCambridge"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2013-04-19 15:12:44PeteBspacing <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * Monica--Thank you for getting involved here. we are a wiki-we really don't call people per say and with my schedule it is hard to nail down a time for a callback. I did post a request in early March at ["Cambridge House Apartments"] that is still there at the top of the page (I'll remove it after you state you've seen it) as well as on [http://daviswiki.org/Users/MonicaAtCambridge your page].<span><br> - <br> -</span> If you think a comment is inaccurate you can post a professional rebuttal but removing other people's comments simply is not allowed. If you can tell us when the new Management took over we can move comments to a page stating they were posted before new management got involved--but they will not outright be deleted. --["Users/PeteB"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * Monica--Thank you for getting involved here. we are a wiki-we really don't call people per say and with my schedule it is hard to nail down a time for a callback. I did post a request in early March at ["Cambridge House Apartments"] that is still there at the top of the page (I'll remove it after you state you've seen it) as well as on [http://daviswiki.org/Users/MonicaAtCambridge your page].<span>&nbsp;</span> If you think a comment is inaccurate you can post a professional rebuttal but removing other people's comments simply is not allowed. If you can tell us when the new Management took over we can move comments to a page stating they were posted before new management got involved--but they will not outright be deleted. --["Users/PeteB"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2013-04-19 15:12:26PeteB <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * Monica--Thank you for getting involved here. we are a wiki-we really don't call people per say and with my schedule it is hard to nail down a time for a callback. I did post a request in early March at ["Cambridge House Apartments"] that is still there at the top of the page (I'll remove it after you state you've seen it). If you think a comment is inaccurate you can post a professional rebuttal but removing other people's comments simply is not allowed. If you can tell us when the new Management took over we can move comments to a page stating they were posted before new management got involved--but they will not outright be deleted. --["Users/PeteB"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * Monica--Thank you for getting involved here. we are a wiki-we really don't call people per say and with my schedule it is hard to nail down a time for a callback. I did post a request in early March at ["Cambridge House Apartments"] that is still there at the top of the page (I'll remove it after you state you've seen it)<span>&nbsp;as well as on [http://daviswiki</span>.<span>org/Users/MonicaAtCambridge your page].<br> + <br> +</span> If you think a comment is inaccurate you can post a professional rebuttal but removing other people's comments simply is not allowed. If you can tell us when the new Management took over we can move comments to a page stating they were posted before new management got involved--but they will not outright be deleted. --["Users/PeteB"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2013-04-19 15:08:29PeteB <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * Monica--Thank you for getting involved here. we are a wiki-we really don't call people per say. I did post a request in early March at ["Cambridge House Apartments"] that is still there at the top of the page (I'll remove it after you state you've seen it). If you think a comment is inaccurate you can post a professional rebuttal but removing other people's comments simply is not allowed. If you can tell us when the new Management took over we can move comments to a page stating they were posted before new management got involved--but they will not outright be deleted. --["Users/PeteB"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * Monica--Thank you for getting involved here. we are a wiki-we really don't call people per say<span>&nbsp;and with my schedule it is hard to nail down a time for a callback</span>. I did post a request in early March at ["Cambridge House Apartments"] that is still there at the top of the page (I'll remove it after you state you've seen it). If you think a comment is inaccurate you can post a professional rebuttal but removing other people's comments simply is not allowed. If you can tell us when the new Management took over we can move comments to a page stating they were posted before new management got involved--but they will not outright be deleted. --["Users/PeteB"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2013-04-19 15:08:00PeteBresponse <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Monica--Thank you for getting involved here. we are a wiki-we really don't call people per say. I did post a request in early March at ["Cambridge House Apartments"] that is still there at the top of the page (I'll remove it after you state you've seen it). If you think a comment is inaccurate you can post a professional rebuttal but removing other people's comments simply is not allowed. If you can tell us when the new Management took over we can move comments to a page stating they were posted before new management got involved--but they will not outright be deleted. --["Users/PeteB"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2013-04-19 14:54:49MonicaAtCambridgeComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 15: </td> <td> Line 15: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2013-04-19 15:54:49'' [[nbsp]] The property has come under new management. I am the new manager here so I haven't seen any requests asking to get involved in the discussion. However, I'm happy to do so. I feel many of these posts are inaccurate and would love to correct any misinformation. My staff and I are in and out of the office giving tours all day. Please feel free to leave a voicemail next time we're unable to answer the phone, and I will promptly return your call. --["Users/MonicaAtCambridge"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2013-04-19 11:27:34PeteB <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 14: </td> <td> Line 14: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Add: I tried to call them and before Noon and after Noon-all I got was Voice Mail. I will try again tmrw. --["Users/PeteB"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2013-04-19 11:14:15PeteBComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 12: </td> <td> Line 12: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2013-04-19 12:14:15'' [[nbsp]] Again multiple whitewashes by Monica. There has been a request on the main Cambridge House aprtments page for over a month asking her to get involved in the discussion that she's ignored. Recommend locking this page for the forseeable future --["Users/PeteB"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2013-03-14 00:43:37StevenDaubertComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 10: </td> <td> Line 10: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2013-03-14 01:43:37'' [[nbsp]] hi JW --["Users/StevenDaubert"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2013-03-14 00:43:21JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 2: </td> <td> Line 2: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> [[comments]] </td> <td> <span>+</span> [[comments<span>(Converse!)</span>]] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2013-03-14 00:43:02JabberWokkyNight shift adding ease of use macro <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 2: </td> <td> Line 2: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ [[comments]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2013-03-13 14:21:32PeteB <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + <br> + She has whitewashed it 3 times today. I am putting a note on the page directing her here for further discussion. --["Users/PeteB"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2011-12-16 20:23:37StevenDauberthrmph <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- deleted</span> </td> <td> <span>+ This page is for discussing the contents of ["Cambridge House Apartments"].<br> + <br> + Monicas previous few edits have a had chilling effect on the factoid factor of the page<br> + <br> + anyone else ["Daubert"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2011-03-18 18:41:54Wes-PPage deleted (resolved) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- This page is for ["Talk Pages" discussing] the contents of ["Cambridge House Apartments"].<br> - <br> - Regarding [http://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments?action=diff&amp;version2=241&amp;version1=240 this comment]. Management removed the comment in its entirety. ["Users/TomGarberson"] restored the comment, but removed the sentence of --Xad hominemX--abusive language ("LOOK AT THE MOVE IN SHEET YOU FUCKING DUMB BITCHES."), leading to the following discussion (initial comments pulled and threaded from user pages).<br> - = Original Comment =<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-08-25 16:58:59'' [[nbsp]] DO NOT MOVE INTO THIS PLACE - THEY WILL TRY TO SCREW YOU OVER BIG TIME. This place is such a joke, I was ready to overlook many of the flaws (and TO CAMBRIDGE HOUSE TEAM - I was going to give you good feedback but after the shit YOU are trying to pull). If your thinking about living here you should should be aware of this!<br> - <br> - First of all. The high speed internet they had there this last year was a JOKE. You couldn't even watch a youtube video (30 minute download for 5 min clip) We ended up paying for our own internet ($20 for first 6 months then $50) and now they decided to change to Comcast. Every Monday morning you can expect to be woken up at 8am by the workers with their lawn mowers and blowers (very annoying to have to sleep with your window closed every Sunday night). They boast about their "any pets welcome" and "only $99 deposit," but when you actually get in there to sign the lease you get charged $99 for the deposit plus an extra $450 for a pet (not a big deal but they defiantly don't make that clear until your on the spot). We had problems all year. The fan for the stove broke numerous times (even after fixing). There was a rat problem (which ate a hole in our Kitchen sink pipe -&gt; very annoying). Halfway through the year when working upstairs they accidentally broke a water pipe and literally flooded our entire Living room carpet (we couldn't use the living room for 4 days, not to mention the constant noise form 3 industrial strength fans (energy bill - they ask us if they could run the fans all day long - not a big deal but its the same thing they don't think before they do stuff). Our carpet is already 3 years old and they decided not to replace it rather to cut it open and "clean" it and put a new padding under the carpet and put it back like nothing happened. Through general wear and tear the seam got pulled apart very slightly in the living room (right where the flood was the worst) and they claimed that they had to replace the entire carpet and tried to charge us $900 (both bedroom carpets are COMPLETELY fine). I said they should have replaced the carpet and then I asked them if that seem was completely untouched and just the flood happened would they rent out the apartment to the next people without telling them the carpet had been flooded a year ago? And she said that since they "cleaned" it that it didn't need to be replaced (its 3 years old and has water damage). Then on top of all this about a month before we moved out they came to us with a paper asking if we wanted to pay an extra $90 for a cleaning? We did, they charged us an extra $20 on top. And then they tried to charge us $250 and it actually says "STOVE HAD TO BE REPLACED." There was nothing wrong with the stove (except for it was dirty) and when I asked them she said well actually I talked to the guy who looked at it and he said it wasn't broken but it was so dirty that it would be cheaper to replace &lt;--- HAHAHAHAHA I think they also forgot that on the paper concerning the extra $90 we paid it clearly in bold states "if oven requires excessive cleaning you will be charged an extra $50" - how did that turn into $250? The beginning of the year I made a note on our move in paper about the doorknob in the bathroom was cracked. On the move out sheet $15 bathroom door knob had to be replaced. LOOK AT THE MOVE IN SHEET YOU FUCKING DUMB BITCHES.<br> - <br> - AND LASTLY - IF SOMEBODY CAME IN INQUIRING ABOUT AN APARTMENT YOU WOULD IMMEDIATELY TEND TO THEM. WHEN I WENT BACK IN TO LOOK AT THE SO CALLED PHOTO EVIDENCE THEY HAD I SAT DOWN WHILE THE ONE PERSON WAS "GETTING MY FOLDER." SHE THEN PROCEEDED TO STORE 3 PACKS OF SODA THAT HAD LEFT BEEN ON THE TABLE BEFORE HELPING ME WASTING MORE OF MY TIME -&gt; VERY RUDE. --["Users/stevenscott"]<br> - <br> - = Proposed Change =<br> - Replace "YOU FUCKING DUMB BITCHES" with [Abusive language removed] (with or without "''--["Users/TomGarberson" tg]''" attribution)<br> - <br> - = Vote =<br> - 1. '''Leave it.''' Leave the entire comment on the page.<br> - 1. '''Remove it all.''' Remove the entire comment.<br> - 1. '''Remove part of it.''' Remove only the phrase under contention, leaving an appropriate notation so as to avoid confusion/deception/whatever.<br> - 1. Try to get the original editor to rewrite the comment without the B-word.<br> - ["Users/WilliamLewis"] e-mailed the original editor. I think everyone would agree that the original editor adjusting the comment would be the best solution... we just don't have much control over that part of it --tg<br> - He did that a few hours ago, right? I realize we're on Internet time, but we might give that solution some time to work. --cp<br> - * if everyone agrees to no more editing the main page so we can unlock it allow the original editor , say 24-48 hours, to edit it himself (keep in mind, this allows others to see it as well and may open another crap storm)- Wes<br> - == Your Vote Here ==<br> - * I vote 3 (remove part) or, failing that, 2 (remove all) --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - * I vote 4. --cp<br> - * I vote 4, failing that 3. There was valid content aside from the abusive statement.- Wes<br> - * I vote 3. --DonShor<br> - -----<br> - ''2010-08-28 11:24:50'' [[nbsp]] Please justify your removal of [http://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments?action=diff&amp;version2=244&amp;version1=243 this sentence]. It seems that your only motive in deleting it is to avoid offending people. That's a pretty terrible reason. So now you're going to censor people who are outraged by stupidity and incompetence? You know as well as I do that the sentence in question is not defamatory. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-08-28 11:33:57'' [[nbsp]] I removed the sentence because it's an inappropriate personal attack, not because it's defamatory. It doesn't have to be illegal to be inappropriate for the wiki. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-08-28 11:43:29'' [[nbsp]] I disagree that it's an attack. Anyway, please don't edit words attributed to others. If you think the comment is objectionable, remove the entire thing. Don't change what people have said and signed.--["Users/WilliamLewis"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-08-28 11:58:32'' [[nbsp]] I didn't in any way alter the meaning or the context of the comment. And how is "YOU FUCKING DUMB BITCHES" not an attack? What ''would'' be an attack, if that's not?<br> - <br> - If you honestly believe that it's worse for the wiki to remove ad hominem without altering any other portion of a person's comment than it is to leave an informative comment but delete a few words of ad hominem, you're welcome to remove the rest of the comment. I'm going to go ahead and remove the portion that I find inappropriate. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-08-28 12:04:22'' [[nbsp]] "YOU FUCKING DUMB BITCHES" is an expression of frustration over the management's inability to identify responsibility for a repair by checking documentation created upon move in. You are deleting a valuable portion of the comment. You can delete the entire comment if you wish, but I will continue to restore the comment to its original state as long as you keep on editing it. Again, you're changing the words of someone who has signed their name to those words. When we change those words, we are being deceptive, attributing to them a body of text that they did not write. The ethical issues involved are some of the reason why I dislike comment bars, incidentally.<br> - <br> - Oh, and don't use the term ad hominem. Ad hominem is a logical fallacy where one attempts to discredit an argument by attacking the person making it. The stuff in question is abusive language directed towards people who represent the subject of the page, making it directly relevant to the topic. If management is being stupid (what is alleged), that's relevant if we want to have a page on the apartment complex. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]<br> - The fact that the personal attack is born of frustration doesn't alter the fact that it's a personal attack. And the relevance of a personal attack doesn't alter the fact that it's inappropriate. The identity of employees of a business, including their race, is relevant to a page with information about what to expect at the business, yet we still remove racist comments. Because they're inappropriate. As for deception, who here hasn't quoted someone with an alteration? If you're concerned about readers being deceived by the alteration, I'll make the appropriate notation. --tg<br> - Replaced sentence with this: [Personal insult removed --["Users/TomGarberson" tg]]<br> - We removed racist comments, not excised the racist portions of them. BIG DIFFERENCE. As for quoting things with alterations, you notate them AND it's a quote, not the work in its entirety. Here on the wiki, someone posted something here that isn't written elsewhere. It's presumed it's as it was originally written. And even with a notation saying you've excised abusive language, you're still censoring legitimate anger because management got upset. They're the only ones allowed to be angry? That's bullshit. The sentence you're removing tells me something and by removing it, the wiki is less useful. Finally, it's not a personal attack at all. It's generalized abusive language directed at management (not an individual) because of unfair and outrageous actions they've allegedly taken. Don't --XneuterX--emasculate the comment because somebody got upset. —wl<br> - Legitimate anger does not make inappropriate content appropriate. I'm just going to move the content, in its entirety, to this page until the discussion is complete. --tg<br> - And I'm going to keep on restoring it to the page as long as you remove it. Who decides what is inappropriate? You're the censor of the wiki, now? --wl<br> - <br> - I agree with Tom Garberson on this. Oh, and by the way, William: do you own the Davis Wiki? Seems to me we've had that conversation before. --["Users/DonShor"]<br> - Or, do you? You're the gatekeeper about what is appropriate and what isn't? --["Users/WilliamLewis"]<br> - Any time you want to actually collaborate, William, let us know. Otherwise, you're just inviting hostility and reversions. --DS<br> - Any collaboration would result in the comment being removed or emasculated because it contains some language you don't like. If you want to try to censor people over some unkind words (as opposed to factual allegations that might not be true), that's your thing. I will have no part in it, though. --wl<br> - Do you own the Davis Wiki? --DS<br> - You're the one trying to tell someone to shut the fuck up by removing their words. How about you answer that question? --wl<br> - -----<br> - Emailed the comment author. Let's let him chime in now. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]<br> - <br> - Somebody please lock this page with either Tom G's or my version intact, to prevent William Lewis from any further reverts, until the editors can come to some consensus on this Talk Page. --["Users/DonShor"]<br> - <br> - Someone please lock this page so Don and Tom can't censor language they object to. --wl<br> - -----<br> - As long as we're trying to be precise with our language, let's acknowledge that this isn't "censorship of anger." The person is free to be angry. My objection, and Don's, is to the language used by the user to express himself, not the anger. If it were phrased in a ''remotely'' civil way, I would have no problem with it. If I wanted to censor anger, I would have removed the other parts indicative of anger. So, let's leave the straw men out of it, please. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - Why is the way it's worded right now objectionable? --wl<br> - You're the first one who said it was "abusive" language. You've already answered your question. --tg<br> - I don't find abusive language objectionable as long as it is relevant. That seems to be the central difference of opinion here. If it tells us nothing or has nothing to do with the page, then it has no place on the page. If it's relevant, why not keep it? To prevent offense? To prevent more of the same? --wl<br> - "the central difference of opinion" --yes, and two of us disagree with you. AFAIK, that is how this place works, so why do you keep reverting it? --DS<br> - <br> - -----<br> - I agree with Tom and Don. The part removed does not contain any relevant information other than the fact that the person who left the comment is willing to use abusive language. All of the substantive information is in the rest of the comment. The anger still comes through without the offensive part. --["Users/EmilyH"]<br> - -----<br> - Just a question -- if the person had said "dumb n******" or some other racial term, would it be OK? And if not, why is it OK to call people bitches and not n******? --["Users/CovertProfessor"]<br> - I'd say it'd be fine to keep. That tells you quite a bit about the speaker and it'd be important to keep. This is distinct from my opinion on the language itself, which is irrelevant here. --wl<br> - ----<br> - YOU'RE BOTH FUCKING RETARDED. PROFANITY HAS NO PLACE ON THIS GODDAMN WIKI. See that there? It's got nothing to do with it being a personal attack, it has to do with keeping the wiki fairly family friendly. I've got a sailor's mouth, normally. However, I keep it clean when I'm here. Not for me, not for you, but for the younger, and older, and more conservative readers. I'm not saying we should go around expunging all questionable content, or language, but a simple [Censored for profanity] would be acceptable. Many other places the entire comment would simply be removed, and the user banned. --["users/masonmurray" MM]<br> - I don't care about the fucking profanity or keeping this place G-rated -- that's a different issue, IMO. --cp<br> - * I do. We don't have to see the same thing wrong with it to see that it should go. Also, I aim for more of a PG-13, or sometimes R. An occasional swear can go by, but a violent verbal outburst isn't contributory--MM<br> - * Well, the ''reasons'' for removal (if it gets removed) matter, or we wouldn't be having this discussion -- and I don't want some precedent set that every time someone says "fuck" the nanny police rush in. You raised the issue when you said that "it's got nothing to do with it being a personal attack." In my opinion, it's got everything to do with that and nothing to do with profanity. If you call me fucking retarded it's the "retarded" part that I am going to have a problem with. --cp<br> - * I feel there are many different people involved with this Wiki, obviously from many places other than Davis at this point, who would rather keep relevant content and not personal attacks. That being said, there is no reason for anyone to say "you F***ing dumb B**ches" on any public domain. It is a knee jerk statement made of anger and frustration and does absolutely nothing to further any of the points made earlier in the content. I would have removed it myself had I seen it for it's complete lack of relevance and it's violation of the Wiki's no personal attacks policy (a very long standing clause I'll remind you. It would have been removed from any page, no matter what and I agree with the edit completely. Now, if it would make the others feel better, I have no problem with the addition of "(expletive removed)" or something along those lines, but the words themselves have no place on the Wiki. If people are going to take offense to something like ["The Smelliest Man in the World"] why does anyone feel no offense would be taken by "f***ing dumb B**ches"? -- ["Users/Wes-P" Wes]<br> - 1. This isn't a personal attack. It's abusive language directed towards the entire business. 2. What policy against personal attacks? --wl<br> - You keep saying it isn't a personal attack. How many people do you think are involved in making the decision whether to charge a resident for something? One or two? Maybe even three. This isn't some abstract "this company sucks." It's directed at the very discrete group of people within that office. Whether or not it should remain, it ''is'' a personal attack. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - It's someone berating management as a group, not as an individual. It's also attacking them in a business capacity, not a personal one. --wl<br> - Either way, let it drop, this is stupid, it is not constructive and you are in the Minority here William. End of story.- Wes<br> - I agree that it's about the abusiveness, not about the profanity. Wes, William is right that there's no clearly defined rule against personal attacks. But, as we can see here, there does seem to be a pretty widely-held belief that this kind of thing is inappropriate. William, you're trying to draw an arbitrary distinction. If management is 1-2 people, attacking the managers is an attack on 1-2 people. It's personal. If it's a large office with a non-transparent decision-making process, sure, there's an element of anonymity and it's probably not a personal attack. The business-personal distinction is also arbitrary here. If I drop that phrase to say that someone is too "fucking dumb" to do their job, that's not exactly calling them an intellectual icon outside the business context. Calling someone stupid is calling someone stupid, whether it's because of their job performance or something else. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - -----<br> - Might I suggest everyone just sit back and take a ["Wiki Chill Pill"] on this one for a bit. -- Wes<br> - <br> - -----<br> - So I looked at this page and went "tl;dr." Anyway, I am sort of on WL's side here. The Wiki is supposed to be the Davis community online basically, and there are plenty of people in Davis who go around shouting expletives out in public. We do not live in a police state, so we have to deal with things like that. I see no problem with leaving a comment with a bunch of swearing or insults in. People are way too sensitive over words these days, even if they come from someone whose opinion should not matter to you. Leaving the swears and personal insults in lets readers decide whether the commenter is worth listening to or not and removing them will be a disservice to the community. Of course, if the comment is just a waste of space with nothing relevant on there, it should by all means be removed. --["Users/hankim"]<br> - <br> - -----<br> - <br> - Having glanced at this page in a speed reading manner I can safely say remove the ad hominem attacks and advice this particular poster to go sue them for "bad faith deductions" and show the evidence mentioned in the post to a judge who can do something<br> - <br> - ["Daubert"]<br> - -----<br> - Lock the page again, please, JW. --["Users/DonShor"]<br> - * If you lock the page, you don't give the editor a chance to fix things. I don't like the comment any more than you do, but I'm trying to find a good resolution. Also please note that I added a pointer to the talk page for the editor without restoring the comment. --cp<br> - * It seems like there's a supported option and an effort at contacting the person to pursue that option that makes this whole thing moot. The only reason it was locked was because it got into a cycle of reverts. I unlocked it to allow for the original author to have a chance to edit. -jw<br> - <br> - I just wanted to thank the majority of you for taking the time to debate about this issue. I have no problem with keeping the majority of the comment (People's opinions are after all, people's opinions. I am coming to terms with that on this website), but the moment I saw the attack on me (And yes, it was a personal attack due to the fact that I am the only person dealing with the move out charges) I didn't know at the time what else to do. And as an update, I have spoken with this gentleman and we have worked out an agreement on both parts. It just upsets me that he can tell his side of the story but due to the privacy policies of our company (to protect him), I cannot share my side as well as any info about the condition in which he left his apartment. However, I am always willing to work with people if they just come in and ask. So again, Thanks for deleting the part of the comment that was inappropriate. =) Monica, Manager at Cambridge House</span> </td> <td> <span>+ deleted</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-30 12:20:42Cambridgeadding comment <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 98: </td> <td> Line 98: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + I just wanted to thank the majority of you for taking the time to debate about this issue. I have no problem with keeping the majority of the comment (People's opinions are after all, people's opinions. I am coming to terms with that on this website), but the moment I saw the attack on me (And yes, it was a personal attack due to the fact that I am the only person dealing with the move out charges) I didn't know at the time what else to do. And as an update, I have spoken with this gentleman and we have worked out an agreement on both parts. It just upsets me that he can tell his side of the story but due to the privacy policies of our company (to protect him), I cannot share my side as well as any info about the condition in which he left his apartment. However, I am always willing to work with people if they just come in and ask. So again, Thanks for deleting the part of the comment that was inappropriate. =) Monica, Manager at Cambridge House</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-29 14:43:33JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 97: </td> <td> Line 97: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * It seems like there's a supported option and an effort at contacting the person to pursue that option that makes this whole thing moot. The only reason it was locked was because it got into a cycle of reverts. I unlocked it to allow for the original author to have a chance to edit. -jw</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-29 10:38:20CovertProfessorpls look before reverting. thanks. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 96: </td> <td> Line 96: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * If you lock the page, you don't give the editor a chance to fix things. I don't like the comment any more than you do, but I'm trying to find a good resolution. --cp </td> <td> <span>+</span> * If you lock the page, you don't give the editor a chance to fix things. I don't like the comment any more than you do, but I'm trying to find a good resolution. <span>&nbsp;Also please note that I added a pointer to the talk page for the editor without restoring the comment.</span> --cp </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-29 10:37:07CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 96: </td> <td> Line 96: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * If you lock the page, you don't give the editor a chance to fix things. I don't like the comment any more than you do, but I'm trying to find a good resolution. --cp</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-29 09:14:36DonShor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 94: </td> <td> Line 94: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + Lock the page again, please, JW. --["Users/DonShor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 23:08:03StevenDaubertMY THOUGHTS ON THIS MATTER, CONSIDER MY FINDINGS BINDING! <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 88: </td> <td> Line 88: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + -----<br> + <br> + Having glanced at this page in a speed reading manner I can safely say remove the ad hominem attacks and advice this particular poster to go sue them for "bad faith deductions" and show the evidence mentioned in the post to a judge who can do something<br> + <br> + ["Daubert"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 19:48:06DonShor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 27: </td> <td> Line 27: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I vote 3. --DonShor</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 19:45:48Wes-P <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 22: </td> <td> Line 22: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * if everyone agrees to no more editing the main page so we can unlock it allow the original editor , say 24-48 hours, to edit it himself (keep in mind, this allows others to see it as well and may open another crap storm)- Wes </td> <td> <span>+ </span> * if everyone agrees to no more editing the main page so we can unlock it allow the original editor , say 24-48 hours, to edit it himself (keep in mind, this allows others to see it as well and may open another crap storm)- Wes </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 19:45:24Wes-P <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 22: </td> <td> Line 22: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * if everyone agrees to no more editing the main page so we can unlock it allow the original editor , say 24-48 hours, to edit it himself (keep in mind, this allows others to see it as well and may open another crap storm)- Wes</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 19:42:37Wes-P <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 25: </td> <td> Line 25: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ * I vote 4, failing that 3. There was valid content aside from the abusive statement.- Wes</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 17:58:35CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 21: </td> <td> Line 21: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ He did that a few hours ago, right? I realize we're on Internet time, but we might give that solution some time to work. --cp</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 17:51:58TomGarberson <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 20: </td> <td> Line 20: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ["Users/WilliamLewis"] e-mailed the original editor. I think everyone would agree that the original editor adjusting the comment would be the best solution... we just don't have much control over that part of it --tg</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 17:49:23CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 22: </td> <td> Line 22: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I vote 4. --cp</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 17:47:12CovertProfessoranother option <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 19: </td> <td> Line 19: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ 1. Try to get the original editor to rewrite the comment without the B-word.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 17:46:37TomGarbersonVote. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 16: </td> <td> Line 16: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> 1. Leave the entire comment on the page.<br> <span>-</span> 1. Remove the entire comment.<br> <span>-</span> 1. Remove the phrase under contention, leaving an appropriate notation so as to avoid confusion/deception/whatever. </td> <td> <span>+</span> 1. <span>'''</span>Leave <span>it.''' Leave </span>the entire comment on the page.<br> <span>+</span> 1. <span>'''</span>Remove <span>it all.''' Remove </span>the entire comment.<br> <span>+</span> 1. <span>'''</span>Remove<span>&nbsp;part of it.''' Remove only</span> the phrase under contention, leaving an appropriate notation so as to avoid confusion/deception/whatever.<span><br> + == Your Vote Here ==<br> + * I vote 3 (remove part) or, failing that, 2 (remove all) --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 20: </td> <td> Line 22: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 17:44:29TomGarbersonAdding vote. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 15: </td> <td> Line 15: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ = Vote =<br> + 1. Leave the entire comment on the page.<br> + 1. Remove the entire comment.<br> + 1. Remove the phrase under contention, leaving an appropriate notation so as to avoid confusion/deception/whatever.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 17:40:50TomGarbersonReply to CP, Wes, and William, all in one. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 69: </td> <td> Line 69: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ I agree that it's about the abusiveness, not about the profanity. Wes, William is right that there's no clearly defined rule against personal attacks. But, as we can see here, there does seem to be a pretty widely-held belief that this kind of thing is inappropriate. William, you're trying to draw an arbitrary distinction. If management is 1-2 people, attacking the managers is an attack on 1-2 people. It's personal. If it's a large office with a non-transparent decision-making process, sure, there's an element of anonymity and it's probably not a personal attack. The business-personal distinction is also arbitrary here. If I drop that phrase to say that someone is too "fucking dumb" to do their job, that's not exactly calling them an intellectual icon outside the business context. Calling someone stupid is calling someone stupid, whether it's because of their job performance or something else. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 17:23:38hankimMy two pennies. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 71: </td> <td> Line 71: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + -----<br> + So I looked at this page and went "tl;dr." Anyway, I am sort of on WL's side here. The Wiki is supposed to be the Davis community online basically, and there are plenty of people in Davis who go around shouting expletives out in public. We do not live in a police state, so we have to deal with things like that. I see no problem with leaving a comment with a bunch of swearing or insults in. People are way too sensitive over words these days, even if they come from someone whose opinion should not matter to you. Leaving the swears and personal insults in lets readers decide whether the commenter is worth listening to or not and removing them will be a disservice to the community. Of course, if the comment is just a waste of space with nothing relevant on there, it should by all means be removed. --["Users/hankim"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 15:26:16Wes-P <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 68: </td> <td> Line 68: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ Either way, let it drop, this is stupid, it is not constructive and you are in the Minority here William. End of story.- Wes</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 15:24:25WilliamLewisRevert to version 51 (restoring my comment). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 66: </td> <td> Line 66: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> You keep saying it isn't a personal attack. How many people do you think are involved in making the decision whether to charge a resident for something? One or two? Maybe even three. This isn't some abstract "this company sucks." It's directed at the very discrete group of people within that office. Whether or not it should remain, it ''is'' a personal attack. --["Users/TomGarberson"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> You keep saying it isn't a personal attack. How many people do you think are involved in making the decision whether to charge a resident for something? One or two? Maybe even three. This isn't some abstract "this company sucks." It's directed at the very discrete group of people within that office. Whether or not it should remain, it ''is'' a personal attack. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<span><br> + It's someone berating management as a group, not as an individual. It's also attacking them in a business capacity, not a personal one. --wl</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 15:23:07Wes-PRevert to version 50 (not incorrect, regardless of what Mr. Lewis might state here.). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 66: </td> <td> Line 66: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> You keep saying it isn't a personal attack. How many people do you think are involved in making the decision whether to charge a resident for something? One or two? Maybe even three. This isn't some abstract "this company sucks." It's directed at the very discrete group of people within that office. Whether or not it should remain, it ''is'' a personal attack. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<span><br> - It's someone berating management as a group, not as an individual. It's also attacking them in a business capacity, not a personal one. --wl</span> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> You keep saying it isn't a personal attack. How many people do you think are involved in making the decision whether to charge a resident for something? One or two? Maybe even three. This isn't some abstract "this company sucks." It's directed at the very discrete group of people within that office. Whether or not it should remain, it ''is'' a personal attack. --["Users/TomGarberson"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 15:22:25WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 66: </td> <td> Line 66: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> You keep saying it isn't a personal attack. How many people do you think are involved in making the decision whether to charge a resident for something? One or two? Maybe even three. This isn't some abstract "this company sucks." It's directed at the very discrete group of people within that office. Whether or not it should remain, it ''is'' a personal attack. --["Users/TomGarberson"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> You keep saying it isn't a personal attack. How many people do you think are involved in making the decision whether to charge a resident for something? One or two? Maybe even three. This isn't some abstract "this company sucks." It's directed at the very discrete group of people within that office. Whether or not it should remain, it ''is'' a personal attack. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<span><br> + It's someone berating management as a group, not as an individual. It's also attacking them in a business capacity, not a personal one. --wl</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 15:09:06CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 63: </td> <td> Line 63: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Well, the ''reasons'' for removal (if it gets removed) matter, or we wouldn't be having this discussion -- and I don't want some precedent set that every time someone says "fuck" the nanny police rush in. You raised the issue when you said that "it's got nothing to do with it being a personal attack." In my opinion, it's got everything to do with that and nothing to do with profanity. If you call me fucking retarded it's the "retarded" part that I am going to have a problem with. --cp</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 14:54:03WilliamLewisThis is completely wrong and I don't want to derail this talk page. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 65: </td> <td> Line 65: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * If you ask any police officer, "What defines assault?", he/she will tell you it is any language that is abusive and/or threatening (which changes the class of the crime and sometimes the status between misdemeanor and felony as well) directed towards another person or entity. If I see you on the street and refer to you as a dumb fucking bitch, I have just committed a misdemeanor offense Class 2 Assault. IT IS a personal attack. - Wes<br> -</span> You keep saying it isn't a personal attack. How many people do you think are involved in making the decision whether to charge a resident for something? One or two? Maybe even three. This isn't some abstract "this company sucks." It's directed at the very discrete group of people within that office. Whether or not it should remain, it ''is'' a personal attack. --["Users/TomGarberson"] </td> <td> <span>+ </span> You keep saying it isn't a personal attack. How many people do you think are involved in making the decision whether to charge a resident for something? One or two? Maybe even three. This isn't some abstract "this company sucks." It's directed at the very discrete group of people within that office. Whether or not it should remain, it ''is'' a personal attack. --["Users/TomGarberson"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 14:50:49Wes-P <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 65: </td> <td> Line 65: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * If you ask any police officer, "What defines assault?", he/she will tell you it is any language that is abusive <span>directed to</span>wards another person or entity. If I see you on the street and refer to you as a dumb fucking bitch, I have just commited a misdemeanor offense Class 2 Assault. IT IS a personal attack. - Wes </td> <td> <span>+</span> * If you ask any police officer, "What defines assault?", he/she will tell you it is any language that is abusive <span>and/or threatening (</span>w<span>hich changes the class of the crime and sometimes the status between misdemeanor and felony as well) directed tow</span>ards another person or entity. If I see you on the street and refer to you as a dumb fucking bitch, I have just commi<span>t</span>ted a misdemeanor offense Class 2 Assault. IT IS a personal attack. - Wes </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 14:47:46Wes-P <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 67: </td> <td> Line 67: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + Might I suggest everyone just sit back and take a ["Wiki Chill Pill"] on this one for a bit. -- Wes</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 14:46:16Wes-P <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 65: </td> <td> Line 65: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> - You keep saying it isn't a personal attack. How many people do you think are involved in making the decision whether to charge a resident for something? One or two? Maybe even three. This isn't some abstract "this company sucks." It's directed at the very discrete group of people within that office. Whether or not it should remain, it ''is'' a personal attack. --["Users/TomGarberson"] </td> <td> <span>+ * If you ask any police officer, "What defines assault?", he/she will tell you it is any language that is abusive directed towards another person or entity. If I see you on the street and refer to you as a dumb fucking bitch, I have just commited a misdemeanor offense Class 2 Assault. IT IS a personal attack. </span>- <span>Wes<br> +</span> You keep saying it isn't a personal attack. How many people do you think are involved in making the decision whether to charge a resident for something? One or two? Maybe even three. This isn't some abstract "this company sucks." It's directed at the very discrete group of people within that office. Whether or not it should remain, it ''is'' a personal attack. --["Users/TomGarberson"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 14:26:23TomGarbersonReply re: personal attack <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 65: </td> <td> Line 65: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ You keep saying it isn't a personal attack. How many people do you think are involved in making the decision whether to charge a resident for something? One or two? Maybe even three. This isn't some abstract "this company sucks." It's directed at the very discrete group of people within that office. Whether or not it should remain, it ''is'' a personal attack. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 14:08:11WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 64: </td> <td> Line 64: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ 1. This isn't a personal attack. It's abusive language directed towards the entire business. 2. What policy against personal attacks? --wl</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 14:04:10WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 58: </td> <td> Line 58: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ I'd say it'd be fine to keep. That tells you quite a bit about the speaker and it'd be important to keep. This is distinct from my opinion on the language itself, which is irrelevant here. --wl</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 13:39:08MasonMurray <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 61: </td> <td> Line 61: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I do. We don't have to see the same thing wrong with it to see that it should go. Also, I aim for more of a PG-13, or sometimes R. An occasional swear can go by, but a violent verbal outburst isn't contributory--MM</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 13:36:19Wes-P <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 61: </td> <td> Line 61: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * I feel there are many different people involved with this Wiki, obviously from many places other than Davis at this point, who would rather keep relevant content and not personal attacks. That being said, there is no reason for anyone to say "you F***ing dumb B**ches" on any public domain. It is a knee jerk statement made of anger and frustration and does absolutely nothing to further any of the points made earlier in the content. I would have removed it myself had I seen it for it's complete lack of relevance and it's violation of the Wiki's no personal attacks policy (a very long standing clause I'll remind you. It would have been removed from any page, no matter what and I agree with the edit completely. Now, if it would make the others feel better, I have no problem with the addition of "(expletive removed)" or something along those lines, but the words themselves have no place on the Wiki. If people are going to take offense to something like [The Smelliest Man in the World] why does anyone feel no offense would be taken by "f***ing dumb B**ches"? -- ["Users/Wes-P" Wes] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * I feel there are many different people involved with this Wiki, obviously from many places other than Davis at this point, who would rather keep relevant content and not personal attacks. That being said, there is no reason for anyone to say "you F***ing dumb B**ches" on any public domain. It is a knee jerk statement made of anger and frustration and does absolutely nothing to further any of the points made earlier in the content. I would have removed it myself had I seen it for it's complete lack of relevance and it's violation of the Wiki's no personal attacks policy (a very long standing clause I'll remind you. It would have been removed from any page, no matter what and I agree with the edit completely. Now, if it would make the others feel better, I have no problem with the addition of "(expletive removed)" or something along those lines, but the words themselves have no place on the Wiki. If people are going to take offense to something like [<span>"</span>The Smelliest Man in the World<span>"</span>] why does anyone feel no offense would be taken by "f***ing dumb B**ches"? -- ["Users/Wes-P" Wes] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 13:35:50Wes-P <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 61: </td> <td> Line 61: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I feel there are many different people involved with this Wiki, obviously from many places other than Davis at this point, who would rather keep relevant content and not personal attacks. That being said, there is no reason for anyone to say "you F***ing dumb B**ches" on any public domain. It is a knee jerk statement made of anger and frustration and does absolutely nothing to further any of the points made earlier in the content. I would have removed it myself had I seen it for it's complete lack of relevance and it's violation of the Wiki's no personal attacks policy (a very long standing clause I'll remind you. It would have been removed from any page, no matter what and I agree with the edit completely. Now, if it would make the others feel better, I have no problem with the addition of "(expletive removed)" or something along those lines, but the words themselves have no place on the Wiki. If people are going to take offense to something like [The Smelliest Man in the World] why does anyone feel no offense would be taken by "f***ing dumb B**ches"? -- ["Users/Wes-P" Wes]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 13:28:01CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 60: </td> <td> Line 60: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ I don't care about the fucking profanity or keeping this place G-rated -- that's a different issue, IMO. --cp</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 13:25:34MasonMurray <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 58: </td> <td> Line 58: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ----<br> + YOU'RE BOTH FUCKING RETARDED. PROFANITY HAS NO PLACE ON THIS GODDAMN WIKI. See that there? It's got nothing to do with it being a personal attack, it has to do with keeping the wiki fairly family friendly. I've got a sailor's mouth, normally. However, I keep it clean when I'm here. Not for me, not for you, but for the younger, and older, and more conservative readers. I'm not saying we should go around expunging all questionable content, or language, but a simple [Censored for profanity] would be acceptable. Many other places the entire comment would simply be removed, and the user banned. --["users/masonmurray" MM]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 13:20:48CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 56: </td> <td> Line 56: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + Just a question -- if the person had said "dumb n******" or some other racial term, would it be OK? And if not, why is it OK to call people bitches and not n******? --["Users/CovertProfessor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 13:12:22EmilyH <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 53: </td> <td> Line 53: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + -----<br> + I agree with Tom and Don. The part removed does not contain any relevant information other than the fact that the person who left the comment is willing to use abusive language. All of the substantive information is in the rest of the comment. The anger still comes through without the offensive part. --["Users/EmilyH"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 13:07:41DonShor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 52: </td> <td> Line 52: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ "the central difference of opinion" --yes, and two of us disagree with you. AFAIK, that is how this place works, so why do you keep reverting it? --DS</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 12:33:24WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 51: </td> <td> Line 51: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> I don't find abusive language objectionable as long as it is relevant. If it tells us nothing or has nothing to do with the page, then it has no place on the page, <span>but I don't object to it in general.</span> --wl </td> <td> <span>+</span> I don't find abusive language objectionable as long as it is relevant. <span>That seems to be the central difference of opinion here. </span>If it tells us nothing or has nothing to do with the page, then it has no place on the page<span>. If it's relevant</span>, <span>why not keep it? To prevent offense? To prevent more of the same?</span> --wl </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 12:22:43WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 51: </td> <td> Line 51: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ I don't find abusive language objectionable as long as it is relevant. If it tells us nothing or has nothing to do with the page, then it has no place on the page, but I don't object to it in general. --wl</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 12:20:41TomGarberson <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 50: </td> <td> Line 50: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ You're the first one who said it was "abusive" language. You've already answered your question. --tg</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 12:14:58WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 49: </td> <td> Line 49: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ Why is the way it's worded right now objectionable? --wl</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 12:13:57TomGarbersonIt's not censorship of anger, as you well know. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 47: </td> <td> Line 47: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + As long as we're trying to be precise with our language, let's acknowledge that this isn't "censorship of anger." The person is free to be angry. My objection, and Don's, is to the language used by the user to express himself, not the anger. If it were phrased in a ''remotely'' civil way, I would have no problem with it. If I wanted to censor anger, I would have removed the other parts indicative of anger. So, let's leave the straw men out of it, please. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 12:13:32WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 45: </td> <td> Line 45: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + Someone please lock this page so Don and Tom can't censor language they object to. --wl</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 12:12:38WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 40: </td> <td> Line 40: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ You're the one trying to tell someone to shut the fuck up by removing their words. How about you answer that question? --wl</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 12:12:26DonShor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 42: </td> <td> Line 42: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + Somebody please lock this page with either Tom G's or my version intact, to prevent William Lewis from any further reverts, until the editors can come to some consensus on this Talk Page. --["Users/DonShor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 12:10:18DonShor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 39: </td> <td> Line 39: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ Do you own the Davis Wiki? --DS</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 12:09:43WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 38: </td> <td> Line 38: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ Any collaboration would result in the comment being removed or emasculated because it contains some language you don't like. If you want to try to censor people over some unkind words (as opposed to factual allegations that might not be true), that's your thing. I will have no part in it, though. --wl</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 12:01:31DonShor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 37: </td> <td> Line 37: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ Any time you want to actually collaborate, William, let us know. Otherwise, you're just inviting hostility and reversions. --DS</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 11:54:52WilliamLewis <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 36: </td> <td> Line 36: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ Or, do you? You're the gatekeeper about what is appropriate and what isn't? --["Users/WilliamLewis"]<br> + -----<br> + Emailed the comment author. Let's let him chime in now. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 11:49:10DonShor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 34: </td> <td> Line 34: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + I agree with Tom Garberson on this. Oh, and by the way, William: do you own the Davis Wiki? Seems to me we've had that conversation before. --["Users/DonShor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 11:37:45TomGarbersonMoving comment <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 4: </td> <td> Line 4: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ = Original Comment =<br> + ------<br> + ''2010-08-25 16:58:59'' [[nbsp]] DO NOT MOVE INTO THIS PLACE - THEY WILL TRY TO SCREW YOU OVER BIG TIME. This place is such a joke, I was ready to overlook many of the flaws (and TO CAMBRIDGE HOUSE TEAM - I was going to give you good feedback but after the shit YOU are trying to pull). If your thinking about living here you should should be aware of this!<br> + <br> + First of all. The high speed internet they had there this last year was a JOKE. You couldn't even watch a youtube video (30 minute download for 5 min clip) We ended up paying for our own internet ($20 for first 6 months then $50) and now they decided to change to Comcast. Every Monday morning you can expect to be woken up at 8am by the workers with their lawn mowers and blowers (very annoying to have to sleep with your window closed every Sunday night). They boast about their "any pets welcome" and "only $99 deposit," but when you actually get in there to sign the lease you get charged $99 for the deposit plus an extra $450 for a pet (not a big deal but they defiantly don't make that clear until your on the spot). We had problems all year. The fan for the stove broke numerous times (even after fixing). There was a rat problem (which ate a hole in our Kitchen sink pipe -&gt; very annoying). Halfway through the year when working upstairs they accidentally broke a water pipe and literally flooded our entire Living room carpet (we couldn't use the living room for 4 days, not to mention the constant noise form 3 industrial strength fans (energy bill - they ask us if they could run the fans all day long - not a big deal but its the same thing they don't think before they do stuff). Our carpet is already 3 years old and they decided not to replace it rather to cut it open and "clean" it and put a new padding under the carpet and put it back like nothing happened. Through general wear and tear the seam got pulled apart very slightly in the living room (right where the flood was the worst) and they claimed that they had to replace the entire carpet and tried to charge us $900 (both bedroom carpets are COMPLETELY fine). I said they should have replaced the carpet and then I asked them if that seem was completely untouched and just the flood happened would they rent out the apartment to the next people without telling them the carpet had been flooded a year ago? And she said that since they "cleaned" it that it didn't need to be replaced (its 3 years old and has water damage). Then on top of all this about a month before we moved out they came to us with a paper asking if we wanted to pay an extra $90 for a cleaning? We did, they charged us an extra $20 on top. And then they tried to charge us $250 and it actually says "STOVE HAD TO BE REPLACED." There was nothing wrong with the stove (except for it was dirty) and when I asked them she said well actually I talked to the guy who looked at it and he said it wasn't broken but it was so dirty that it would be cheaper to replace &lt;--- HAHAHAHAHA I think they also forgot that on the paper concerning the extra $90 we paid it clearly in bold states "if oven requires excessive cleaning you will be charged an extra $50" - how did that turn into $250? The beginning of the year I made a note on our move in paper about the doorknob in the bathroom was cracked. On the move out sheet $15 bathroom door knob had to be replaced. LOOK AT THE MOVE IN SHEET YOU FUCKING DUMB BITCHES.<br> + <br> + AND LASTLY - IF SOMEBODY CAME IN INQUIRING ABOUT AN APARTMENT YOU WOULD IMMEDIATELY TEND TO THEM. WHEN I WENT BACK IN TO LOOK AT THE SO CALLED PHOTO EVIDENCE THEY HAD I SAT DOWN WHILE THE ONE PERSON WAS "GETTING MY FOLDER." SHE THEN PROCEEDED TO STORE 3 PACKS OF SODA THAT HAD LEFT BEEN ON THE TABLE BEFORE HELPING ME WASTING MORE OF MY TIME -&gt; VERY RUDE. --["Users/stevenscott"]<br> + <br> + = Proposed Change =<br> + Replace "YOU FUCKING DUMB BITCHES" with [Abusive language removed] (with or without "''--["Users/TomGarberson" tg]''" attribution)<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 11:37:04WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 22: </td> <td> Line 22: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ And I'm going to keep on restoring it to the page as long as you remove it. Who decides what is inappropriate? You're the censor of the wiki, now? --wl</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 11:34:14TomGarberson <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 21: </td> <td> Line 21: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ Legitimate anger does not make inappropriate content appropriate. I'm just going to move the content, in its entirety, to this page until the discussion is complete. --tg</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 11:33:10WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 20: </td> <td> Line 20: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> We removed racist comments, not excised the racist portions of them. BIG DIFFERENCE. As for quoting things with alterations, you notate them AND it's a quote, not the work in its entirety. Here on the wiki, someone posted something here that isn't written elsewhere. It's presumed it's as it was originally written. And even with a notation saying you've excised abusive language, you're still censoring legitimate anger because management got upset. That's bullshit. The sentence you're removing tells me something and by removing it, the wiki is less useful. Finally, it's not a personal attack at all. It's generalized abusive language directed at management (not an individual) because of unfair and outrageous actions they've allegedly taken. Don't --XneuterX--emasculate the comment because somebody got upset. —wl </td> <td> <span>+</span> We removed racist comments, not excised the racist portions of them. BIG DIFFERENCE. As for quoting things with alterations, you notate them AND it's a quote, not the work in its entirety. Here on the wiki, someone posted something here that isn't written elsewhere. It's presumed it's as it was originally written. And even with a notation saying you've excised abusive language, you're still censoring legitimate anger because management got upset. Th<span>ey're the only ones allowed to be angry? Th</span>at's bullshit. The sentence you're removing tells me something and by removing it, the wiki is less useful. Finally, it's not a personal attack at all. It's generalized abusive language directed at management (not an individual) because of unfair and outrageous actions they've allegedly taken. Don't --XneuterX--emasculate the comment because somebody got upset. —wl </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 11:30:46WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 20: </td> <td> Line 20: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> We removed racist comments, not excised the racist portions of them. BIG DIFFERENCE. As for quoting things with alterations, you notate them AND it's a quote, not the work in its entirety. Here on the wiki, someone posted something here that isn't written elsewhere. It's presumed it's as it was originally written. And even with a notation saying you've excised abusive language, you're still censoring legitimate anger because management got upset. That's bullshit. The sentence you're removing tells me something and by removing it, the wiki is less useful. Finally, it's not a personal attack at all. It's generalized abusive language directed at management (not an individual) because of unfair and outrageous actions they've allegedly taken. Don't <span>neuter</span> the comment because somebody got upset. —wl </td> <td> <span>+</span> We removed racist comments, not excised the racist portions of them. BIG DIFFERENCE. As for quoting things with alterations, you notate them AND it's a quote, not the work in its entirety. Here on the wiki, someone posted something here that isn't written elsewhere. It's presumed it's as it was originally written. And even with a notation saying you've excised abusive language, you're still censoring legitimate anger because management got upset. That's bullshit. The sentence you're removing tells me something and by removing it, the wiki is less useful. Finally, it's not a personal attack at all. It's generalized abusive language directed at management (not an individual) because of unfair and outrageous actions they've allegedly taken. Don't <span>--XneuterX--emasculate</span> the comment because somebody got upset. —wl </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 11:28:12WilliamLewis <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 20: </td> <td> Line 20: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ We removed racist comments, not excised the racist portions of them. BIG DIFFERENCE. As for quoting things with alterations, you notate them AND it's a quote, not the work in its entirety. Here on the wiki, someone posted something here that isn't written elsewhere. It's presumed it's as it was originally written. And even with a notation saying you've excised abusive language, you're still censoring legitimate anger because management got upset. That's bullshit. The sentence you're removing tells me something and by removing it, the wiki is less useful. Finally, it's not a personal attack at all. It's generalized abusive language directed at management (not an individual) because of unfair and outrageous actions they've allegedly taken. Don't neuter the comment because somebody got upset. —wl</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 11:25:34TomGarbersonNoting "deception"-free alteration <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 19: </td> <td> Line 19: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ Replaced sentence with this: [Personal insult removed --["Users/TomGarberson" tg]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 11:21:16TomGarbersonReply <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 18: </td> <td> Line 18: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ The fact that the personal attack is born of frustration doesn't alter the fact that it's a personal attack. And the relevance of a personal attack doesn't alter the fact that it's inappropriate. The identity of employees of a business, including their race, is relevant to a page with information about what to expect at the business, yet we still remove racist comments. Because they're inappropriate. As for deception, who here hasn't quoted someone with an alteration? If you're concerned about readers being deceived by the alteration, I'll make the appropriate notation. --tg</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 11:19:15WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 15: </td> <td> Line 15: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2010-08-28 12:04:22'' [[nbsp]] "YOU FUCKING DUMB BITCHES" is an expression of frustration over the management's inability to identify responsibility for a repair by checking documentation <span>they </span>created upon move in. You are deleting a valuable portion of the comment. You can delete the entire comment if you wish, but I will continue to restore the comment to its original state as long as you keep on editing it. Again, you're changing the words of someone who has signed their name to those words. When we change those words, we are being deceptive, attributing to them a body of text that they did not write. The ethical issues involved are some of the reason why I dislike comment bars, incidentally. </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2010-08-28 12:04:22'' [[nbsp]] "YOU FUCKING DUMB BITCHES" is an expression of frustration over the management's inability to identify responsibility for a repair by checking documentation created upon move in. You are deleting a valuable portion of the comment. You can delete the entire comment if you wish, but I will continue to restore the comment to its original state as long as you keep on editing it. Again, you're changing the words of someone who has signed their name to those words. When we change those words, we are being deceptive, attributing to them a body of text that they did not write. The ethical issues involved are some of the reason why I dislike comment bars, incidentally. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 11:14:09WilliamLewis+ removed sentence in its entirety. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 3: </td> <td> Line 3: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Regarding [http://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments?action=diff&amp;version2=241&amp;version1=240 this comment]. Management removed the comment in its entirety. ["Users/TomGarberson"] restored the comment, but removed the sentence of --Xad hominemX--abusive language, leading to the following discussion (initial comments pulled and threaded from user pages). </td> <td> <span>+</span> Regarding [http://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments?action=diff&amp;version2=241&amp;version1=240 this comment]. Management removed the comment in its entirety. ["Users/TomGarberson"] restored the comment, but removed the sentence of --Xad hominemX--abusive language<span>&nbsp;("LOOK AT THE MOVE IN SHEET YOU FUCKING DUMB BITCHES.")</span>, leading to the following discussion (initial comments pulled and threaded from user pages). </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 11:12:11WilliamLewis <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 15: </td> <td> Line 15: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2010-08-28 12:04:22'' [[nbsp]] "YOU FUCKING DUMB BITCHES" is an expression of frustration over the management's inability to identify responsibility for a repair by checking documentation they created upon move in. You are deleting a valuable portion of the comment. You can delete the entire comment if you wish, but I will continue to restore the comment to its original state as long as you keep on editing it. Again, you're changing the words of someone who has signed their name to those words. When we change those words, we are being deceptive, attributing to them a body of text that they did not write. The ethical issues involved are some of the reason why I dislike comment bars, incidentally. --["Users/WilliamLewis"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2010-08-28 12:04:22'' [[nbsp]] "YOU FUCKING DUMB BITCHES" is an expression of frustration over the management's inability to identify responsibility for a repair by checking documentation they created upon move in. You are deleting a valuable portion of the comment. You can delete the entire comment if you wish, but I will continue to restore the comment to its original state as long as you keep on editing it. Again, you're changing the words of someone who has signed their name to those words. When we change those words, we are being deceptive, attributing to them a body of text that they did not write. The ethical issues involved are some of the reason why I dislike comment bars, incidentally.<span><br> + <br> + Oh, and don't use the term ad hominem. Ad hominem is a logical fallacy where one attempts to discredit an argument by attacking the person making it. The stuff in question is abusive language directed towards people who represent the subject of the page, making it directly relevant to the topic. If management is being stupid (what is alleged), that's relevant if we want to have a page on the apartment complex.</span> --["Users/WilliamLewis"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 11:08:17WilliamLewisnot ad hominem... they are the subject of the page! <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 3: </td> <td> Line 3: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Regarding [http://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments?action=diff&amp;version2=241&amp;version1=240 this comment]. Management removed the comment in its entirety. ["Users/TomGarberson"] restored the comment, but removed the sentence of <span>ad hominem</span>, leading to the following discussion (initial comments pulled and threaded from user pages). </td> <td> <span>+</span> Regarding [http://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments?action=diff&amp;version2=241&amp;version1=240 this comment]. Management removed the comment in its entirety. ["Users/TomGarberson"] restored the comment, but removed the sentence of <span>--Xad hominemX--abusive language</span>, leading to the following discussion (initial comments pulled and threaded from user pages). </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 11:06:57TomGarberson <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 14: </td> <td> Line 14: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-08-28 12:04:22'' [[nbsp]] "YOU FUCKING DUMB BITCHES" is an expression of frustration over the management's inability to identify responsibility for a repair by checking documentation they created upon move in. You are deleting a valuable portion of the comment. You can delete the entire comment if you wish, but I will continue to restore the comment to its original state as long as you keep on editing it. Again, you're changing the words of someone who has signed their name to those words. When we change those words, we are being deceptive, attributing to them a body of text that they did not write. The ethical issues involved are some of the reason why I dislike comment bars, incidentally. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2010-08-28 11:05:21TomGarberson**CLEARING PRIOR DISCUSSION**; copying comments from user pages for discussion <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 3: </td> <td> Line 3: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- [[Comments]]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ Regarding [http://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments?action=diff&amp;version2=241&amp;version1=240 this comment]. Management removed the comment in its entirety. ["Users/TomGarberson"] restored the comment, but removed the sentence of ad hominem, leading to the following discussion (initial comments pulled and threaded from user pages).</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 5: </td> <td> Line 5: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- Following up [http://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments?action=diff&amp;version2=101&amp;version1=100 a comment] that several comments were similarly worded and from the same IP address: there is some suspicious activity going on here. Should these comments be removed?<br> - [http://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments?action=diff&amp;version2=37&amp;version1=36 DavePalmer's comment]<br> - [http://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments?action=diff&amp;version2=50&amp;version1=49 KS's comment]<br> - [http://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments?action=diff&amp;version2=99&amp;version1=98 beebeewoof's comment]<br> - [http://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments?action=diff&amp;version2=92&amp;version1=91 HeatherClaire's comment]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ''2010-08-28 11:24:50'' [[nbsp]] Please justify your removal of [http://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments?action=diff&amp;version2=244&amp;version1=243 this sentence]. It seems that your only motive in deleting it is to avoid offending people. That's a pretty terrible reason. So now you're going to censor people who are outraged by stupidity and incompetence? You know as well as I do that the sentence in question is not defamatory. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 11: </td> <td> Line 7: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2008-09-26 17:15:00'' [[nbsp]] Heather appears to be fairly active on the wiki, with several personal comments. Dave seems to be a member of the Judo Team, editing that entry and member list. The other two are one shots, but it could be that IP address is some kind of public computer. --["Users/JabberWokky"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ''2010-08-28 11:33:57'' [[nbsp]] I removed the sentence because it's an inappropriate personal attack, not because it's defamatory. It doesn't have to be illegal to be inappropriate for the wiki. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 9: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2008-10-06 11:49:03'' [[nbsp]] I compiled a list of all people using that IP address:</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ''2010-08-28 11:43:29'' [[nbsp]] I disagree that it's an attack. Anyway, please don't edit words attributed to others. If you think the comment is objectionable, remove the entire thing. Don't change what people have said and signed.--["Users/WilliamLewis"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2010-08-28 11:58:32'' [[nbsp]] I didn't in any way alter the meaning or the context of the comment. And how is "YOU FUCKING DUMB BITCHES" not an attack? What ''would'' be an attack, if that's not?</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 15: </td> <td> Line 13: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ["Users/MichelleV"]<br> - ["Users/beebeewoof"]<br> - ["Users/MikeO"]<br> - ["Users/DominicBulone"]<br> - ["Users/hmm"]<br> - ["Users/KS"]<br> - ["Users/heretoolong99"]<br> - ["Users/DavePalmer"]<br> - ["Users/ArmyDecoy"]<br> - ["Users/Janeth"]<br> - <br> - I wonder what location all these people could be at, that they would have access to the same computer. It's almost like they all live in the same place, or something. --["Users/JoePomidor"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ If you honestly believe that it's worse for the wiki to remove ad hominem without altering any other portion of a person's comment than it is to leave an informative comment but delete a few words of ad hominem, you're welcome to remove the rest of the comment. I'm going to go ahead and remove the portion that I find inappropriate. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2009-05-16 09:44:30WilliamLewisRevert to version 5 (Not about the page, but rather, the apartment complex.). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 27: </td> <td> Line 27: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2009-05-16 10:28:48'' [[nbsp]] Plenty actually is right. Prior to me moving in to this horrible property, I also worked for an attorney. I no longer do, but I would really advise anyone who is having issues with the property management to consult with one. Do not think you're getting a deal. The property is WAY over priced, considering what you're getting in return. I originally thought I was moving into a nice, quiet, and student-geared pad. I was SO wrong. A good portion of the tenants are drug abusers. I was harassed on several occasions by the upstairs tenants. It was actually quite scary at night time. If the actual property wasn't bad enough, the property management was absolutely terrible. When I was moving in, they gave me a hard time about the PG&amp;E being hooked up. I had no idea what they were even talking about. I had just driven up from Southern CA and was exhausted. They sat there and discussed a text message one of them had received from some guy the night before. It showed a total lack of professionalism. In addition, I am well aware that property managers do not make much money (usually because they do not do much). If you take a look at the vehicles the property managers drive, you'll be taken aback. They drive luxury vehicles - which they park on the property itself. Just shows you that they're ripping people off. Take my advice and definitely see what else Davis has to offer before you settle on this dirty complex. --["Users/Disgusted"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2009-05-16 09:28:48DisgustedComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 27: </td> <td> Line 27: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2009-05-16 10:28:48'' [[nbsp]] Plenty actually is right. Prior to me moving in to this horrible property, I also worked for an attorney. I no longer do, but I would really advise anyone who is having issues with the property management to consult with one. Do not think you're getting a deal. The property is WAY over priced, considering what you're getting in return. I originally thought I was moving into a nice, quiet, and student-geared pad. I was SO wrong. A good portion of the tenants are drug abusers. I was harassed on several occasions by the upstairs tenants. It was actually quite scary at night time. If the actual property wasn't bad enough, the property management was absolutely terrible. When I was moving in, they gave me a hard time about the PG&amp;E being hooked up. I had no idea what they were even talking about. I had just driven up from Southern CA and was exhausted. They sat there and discussed a text message one of them had received from some guy the night before. It showed a total lack of professionalism. In addition, I am well aware that property managers do not make much money (usually because they do not do much). If you take a look at the vehicles the property managers drive, you'll be taken aback. They drive luxury vehicles - which they park on the property itself. Just shows you that they're ripping people off. Take my advice and definitely see what else Davis has to offer before you settle on this dirty complex. --["Users/Disgusted"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2009-01-08 22:46:14JasonAller <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> This page is for discussing the contents of ["Cambridge House Apartments"]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> This page is for <span>["Talk Pages" </span>discussing<span>]</span> the contents of ["Cambridge House Apartments"]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2008-10-06 10:49:22JoePomidor(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 14: </td> <td> Line 14: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2008-10-06 10:49:03JoePomidorComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 12: </td> <td> Line 12: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2008-10-06 11:49:03'' [[nbsp]] I compiled a list of all people using that IP address:<br> + ["Users/MichelleV"]<br> + ["Users/beebeewoof"]<br> + ["Users/MikeO"]<br> + ["Users/DominicBulone"]<br> + ["Users/hmm"]<br> + ["Users/KS"]<br> + ["Users/heretoolong99"]<br> + ["Users/DavePalmer"]<br> + ["Users/ArmyDecoy"]<br> + ["Users/Janeth"]<br> + <br> + I wonder what location all these people could be at, that they would have access to the same computer. It's almost like they all live in the same place, or something. --["Users/JoePomidor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2008-09-26 16:15:00JabberWokkyComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 10: </td> <td> Line 10: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2008-09-26 17:15:00'' [[nbsp]] Heather appears to be fairly active on the wiki, with several personal comments. Dave seems to be a member of the Judo Team, editing that entry and member list. The other two are one shots, but it could be that IP address is some kind of public computer. --["Users/JabberWokky"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Cambridge House Apartments/Talkhttp://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments/Talk2008-09-26 13:38:40ElleWebertalk re: suspicious comments <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Cambridge House Apartments/Talk<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ This page is for discussing the contents of ["Cambridge House Apartments"].<br> + <br> + [[Comments]]<br> + <br> + Following up [http://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments?action=diff&amp;version2=101&amp;version1=100 a comment] that several comments were similarly worded and from the same IP address: there is some suspicious activity going on here. Should these comments be removed?<br> + [http://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments?action=diff&amp;version2=37&amp;version1=36 DavePalmer's comment]<br> + [http://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments?action=diff&amp;version2=50&amp;version1=49 KS's comment]<br> + [http://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments?action=diff&amp;version2=99&amp;version1=98 beebeewoof's comment]<br> + [http://daviswiki.org/Cambridge_House_Apartments?action=diff&amp;version2=92&amp;version1=91 HeatherClaire's comment]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div>