Recent Changes for "Con Artists" - Davis Wikihttp://daviswiki.org/Con_ArtistsRecent Changes of the page "Con Artists" on Davis Wiki.en-us Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2014-04-22 16:13:32JamesKrause <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 115: </td> <td> Line 115: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> This seems to be happening frequently in Davis as of April 2014 </td> <td> <span>+</span> This seems to be happening frequently in Davis as of <span>[https://local.nixle.com/alert/5180159/ </span>April 2014<span>]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2014-04-22 16:11:48JamesKrauseScam that recently popped up and hit a few houses and businesses in Davis <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 113: </td> <td> Line 113: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ =PG&amp;E Lights Out Scam=<br> + <br> + This seems to be happening frequently in Davis as of April 2014<br> + <br> + A person claiming to be from ["PG&amp;E"] will give you a call claiming that your power is going to be shut off within the next 2 or 3 hours unless you pay them the balance you "owe". When you claim to have made payment, they tell you there was a problem processing it. They are often very pushy and say that you must pay using a [http://www.moneypak.com MoneyPak] card in order to stop your power from being shut off. This can be devastating to people who depend on power for health or other reasons. DO NOT be fooled! PG&amp;E will never call you via a human call to collect money, they instead have a machine that calls you and asks for you to call them. Also they will not shut your power off until they have sent out a 14 day and 7 day notice. They will also have a machine call you to tell you that your power is going to be shut off and to call them.<br> + <br> + To prevent being victim of this scam tell the person that you will call PG&amp;E directly to "pay" any outstanding balance that might exist. Their number is (800)743-5000 for residential and (800)468-4743 for business. Never give out any information unless you are calling PG&amp;E and know who you are talking to.<br> + <br> + There are other [http://www.pgecurrents.com/2014/03/21/pge-warns-customers-of-several-ongoing-scams/ PG&amp;E scams]. As long as you remember to never give any information to a PG&amp;E "representative" that calls you, then you should be fine. Never be afraid to hang up on these people and call PG&amp;E directly.<br> + <br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 125: </td> <td> Line 136: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2014-04-22 14:21:18JohnsonCartComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 205: </td> <td> Line 205: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2014-04-22 14:21:18'' [[nbsp]] The SJSU guy that goes from door to door was last seen here in North Davis on April 2014. He is a Hispanic guy that is about 5'5 or 5'6 around 180 pounds, and he has a white binder with 3 pages in it. He dresses like a guy who is into the urban fashion with a basketball cap(new era) and colorful shirt and shoes. He goes off and says there were neighbors who donated and pointed them out but it was complete bull since I saw him go to those doors he pointed at, and NO ONE answered. He will be very friendly to you and ask you for cash instead of sending it in, but once you deny him, you will see his true personality and how much of an idiot he is.<br> + <br> + Please don't fall for his trap. I didn't because he seems fishy for me, and I can sense his scam miles ago. Tell your friends and neighbors. He has been doing this for a long time. --["Users/JohnsonCart"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2013-08-09 13:17:14jefftolentinoPossible Urban Development Solutions Scam <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + =Urban Development Solutions=<br> + ''As posted on the ["Davis Police Department"] Facebook page (8/9/2013)''<br> + <br> + In June of 2013, and again in July of 2013, the Davis Police Department received complaints from two residents who appear to be victims of fraud. Both victims stated that an African American male, between the ages of 20 and 25 years old, standing between 5’6” and 5’8” tall with a slim build and dressed nicely came to their door as a solicitor wearing an ID badge around his neck. In each of the cases, the male stated that he was soliciting for Urban Development Solutions (UDS), a charitable organization that assists underprivileged youth. When the victims presented the male subject with their donations in the form of a check, they later discovered the amount of the check was altered to read a higher payment. In addition, the subject added his name to the check in order to obtain cash.<br> + <br> + The Davis Police Department is asking anyone who may have contributed money to this organization to check their bank account to ensure the amount written is properly reflected on that check and that it has not been altered. If a community member feels as though they have been victimized, they are urged to contact the Davis Police Department or their local police department to report this crime.<br> + <br> + The Davis Police Department would like to remind people to always ask for proper identification when a solicitor comes to the door. The City of Davis requires all door-to-door solicitors to obtain a City permit prior to walking through the community. If anyone feels uncomfortable with a solicitor, or they do not have the proper credentials, they are asked to contact the Davis Police Department.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2013-06-03 01:06:35MaxLucasspelling <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 13: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> In July 2012, the Davis Enterprise published a [http://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/crime-fire-courts/car-accident-scam-in-davis-police-dmv-offer-tips-to-protect-yourself/ story] about a reported car insurance scam that occured in Davis. In the story, a resident parked his car on the street while visiting a friend. When leaving he was approached by a well dressed <span>a</span>sian man, approximately 40ish, accompanied by two females, who were driving a black van. They accused the resident of damaging th<span>ie</span>r car which had been parked in front of him earlier in the day. They demanded $200 to repair the damage. The resident claims he was pressured into paying them $185 on the spot, even though he felt like he had not damaged the car. </td> <td> <span>+</span> In July 2012, the Davis Enterprise published a [http://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/crime-fire-courts/car-accident-scam-in-davis-police-dmv-offer-tips-to-protect-yourself/ story] about a reported car insurance scam that occur<span>r</span>ed in Davis. In the story, a resident parked his car on the street while visiting a friend. When leaving he was approached by a well dressed <span>A</span>sian man, approximately 40ish, accompanied by two females, who were driving a black van. They accused the resident of damaging th<span>ei</span>r car which had been parked in front of him earlier in the day. They demanded $200 to repair the damage. The resident claims he was pressured into paying them $185 on the spot, even though he felt like he had not damaged the car. </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> On July 7th, 2011, the Davis Enterprise published a [http://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/yolo-county/food-workers-warned-of-fraudulent-inspector/ story] warning of fraudulent health inspectors operating in the area. The individual will call the business, claiming that there is an inspection scheduled the next day. Be aware that legitimate health inspect<span>e</span>rs will usually NOT announce an impending visit, nor will they collect money, or try to sell you anything. Yolo County Environmental Health may be contacted with any questions or to report suspicious activity at (530) 666-8646 </td> <td> <span>+</span> On July 7th, 2011, the Davis Enterprise published a [http://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/yolo-county/food-workers-warned-of-fraudulent-inspector/ story] warning of fraudulent health inspectors operating in the area. The individual will call the business, claiming that there is an inspection scheduled the next day. Be aware that legitimate health inspect<span>o</span>rs will usually NOT announce an impending visit, nor will they collect money, or try to sell you anything. Yolo County Environmental Health may be contacted with any questions or to report suspicious activity at (530) 666-8646 </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2013-06-02 20:52:25candices <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 52: </td> <td> Line 52: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + June 2, 2013: Approached by the same story that DeeptiNallapaneni had. At 12:00pm, African American guy walks up to me and my boyfriend at the Amtrak station, said his car broke down and he needed just $13 more dollars to get to San Francisco by 4:30pm. Helped him out by giving him $10. He promised that if I helped him out he would help someone else in return. Then he left, and we didn't see him get on the train. --["Users/candices"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2013-05-20 23:54:34jerzyAndrzejThx Gary - relates to LA and is subjudice - should not be here. Hope that's ok <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 194: </td> <td> Line 194: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2013-05-11 00:46:30'' [[nbsp]] Beware of meeting people through online dating - under title The Match From Hell.<br> - <br> - There's a woman called Brenda Galkin Carmona, or Brenda G. Carmona...............if you happen to come across her just run like hell and don't look back. She's an opportunist who targets her 'mark' and then over a short period of time manages to infiltrate their life. Beware a woman scorned - once you cross her you'll soon see just how deeply she's found out everything about you. She makes herself out to be in the film financing business and when you meet her she'll be conveniently 'between deals' and then she'll hoodwink you with one or more of her sob-stories. You might also notice that she hasn't got a car as she just happened to 'total' hers around the time you meet. She'll also lie about her age (which is 35), and what's truly quite pathetic is that despite that, she has nothing to show for it except whatever she's managed to extort from her last victim. BEWARE - you have been warned! --["Users/davysontheroadagain"]<br> - [[Image(The 'Match' from hell.jpg)]]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2013-05-20 23:39:43GaryDRevert to version 502 (why is this not relevant?). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 194: </td> <td> Line 194: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ''2013-05-11 00:46:30'' [[nbsp]] Beware of meeting people through online dating - under title The Match From Hell.<br> + <br> + There's a woman called Brenda Galkin Carmona, or Brenda G. Carmona...............if you happen to come across her just run like hell and don't look back. She's an opportunist who targets her 'mark' and then over a short period of time manages to infiltrate their life. Beware a woman scorned - once you cross her you'll soon see just how deeply she's found out everything about you. She makes herself out to be in the film financing business and when you meet her she'll be conveniently 'between deals' and then she'll hoodwink you with one or more of her sob-stories. You might also notice that she hasn't got a car as she just happened to 'total' hers around the time you meet. She'll also lie about her age (which is 35), and what's truly quite pathetic is that despite that, she has nothing to show for it except whatever she's managed to extort from her last victim. BEWARE - you have been warned! --["Users/davysontheroadagain"]<br> + [[Image(The 'Match' from hell.jpg)]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2013-05-20 23:34:34jerzyAndrzej <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 194: </td> <td> Line 194: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2013-05-11 00:46:30'' [[nbsp]] Beware of meeting people through online dating - under title The Match From Hell.</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2013-05-20 23:33:55jerzyAndrzejNot relevant to this location <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 195: </td> <td> Line 195: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - There's a woman called Brenda Galkin Carmona, or Brenda G. Carmona...............if you happen to come across her just run like hell and don't look back. She's an opportunist who targets her 'mark' and then over a short period of time manages to infiltrate their life. Beware a woman scorned - once you cross her you'll soon see just how deeply she's found out everything about you. She makes herself out to be in the film financing business and when you meet her she'll be conveniently 'between deals' and then she'll hoodwink you with one or more of her sob-stories. You might also notice that she hasn't got a car as she just happened to 'total' hers around the time you meet. She'll also lie about her age (which is 35), and what's truly quite pathetic is that despite that, she has nothing to show for it except whatever she's managed to extort from her last victim. BEWARE - you have been warned! --["Users/davysontheroadagain"]<br> - [[Image(The 'Match' from hell.jpg)]]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2013-05-11 03:06:29StevenDaubertRevert to version 500 (this should not be redirect. I'm going to sleep anyone else help). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- #redirect The 'Match' From Hell</span> </td> <td> <span>+ [[Image(tcm.jpg, thumbnail, right, 400, "Sometimes people like Davis Wiki User ["Users/hankim" Han Kim] offer a variety of easy ways to make money.")]]<br> + <br> + Some people use fictional stories to take advantage of helpful people. Here are some local '''Con Artists''', sorted by general types of confidence tricks. Be careful before adding people into this list, as there are genuine people in need.<br> + <br> + [[TableOfContents()]]<br> + <br> + =Elder Abuse Con Artist=<br> + Elder abuse con artist living in Davis: http://falling4marlo.blogspot.com/ [[Image(Marlo.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300)]]<br> + Scammer MARLO goes by Compton, Rojas, Sloan, Almlie, Moser, etc. Tall, blond, charming, she manipulates and cons posing as a doctor, a counselor, a cancer patient, or a downtrodden single mother. In prison for elder abuse and fraud in excess of $1.5 M; released in 2011, now living in Davis/Woodland area. Sympathetic people are drawn to her dramatic stories of abuse and/or illness. Without conscience, she'll seek control, manipulating folks into doing things they never considered and inspiring great loyalty through shame and supposed obligation.<br> + <br> + =Car Insurance Scam=<br> + <br> + In July 2012, the Davis Enterprise published a [http://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/crime-fire-courts/car-accident-scam-in-davis-police-dmv-offer-tips-to-protect-yourself/ story] about a reported car insurance scam that occured in Davis. In the story, a resident parked his car on the street while visiting a friend. When leaving he was approached by a well dressed asian man, approximately 40ish, accompanied by two females, who were driving a black van. They accused the resident of damaging thier car which had been parked in front of him earlier in the day. They demanded $200 to repair the damage. The resident claims he was pressured into paying them $185 on the spot, even though he felt like he had not damaged the car.<br> + <br> + =Fake Health Inspectors=<br> + <br> + On July 7th, 2011, the Davis Enterprise published a [http://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/yolo-county/food-workers-warned-of-fraudulent-inspector/ story] warning of fraudulent health inspectors operating in the area. The individual will call the business, claiming that there is an inspection scheduled the next day. Be aware that legitimate health inspecters will usually NOT announce an impending visit, nor will they collect money, or try to sell you anything. Yolo County Environmental Health may be contacted with any questions or to report suspicious activity at (530) 666-8646<br> + <br> + =Stranded Neighbor=<br> + <br> + While people can easily be genuinely stranded (not everybody carries their credit card everywhere, and being broke doesn't mean you can't ask for help), the key thing that makes this a con is that the person does not actually intend to use the money they ask for to buy gas, a train ticket, or other way to get out of their predicament. Instead of simply asking for money, their falsehood in their circumstances and the intended use for your charity (and the implication that you can help them with one act and they will be okay) makes this a con. Charity is great and important, but charities that ask for money for a purpose and then use it for other reasons is bad, be it a large charity or a single person.<br> + <br> + ''Example: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krg5r6n0kr4 YouTube video] of a news team following some panhandlers, including a “stranded” teenage girl. Some of these scamming panhandlers are relatively successful, estimated to earn up to $50/hr and may just be local kids/teenagers.''<br> + <br> + [[anchor(crying)]]<br> + ==Local Examples:==<br> + === ["Crying Girl Con Artist" Crying Girl with a Train Schedule] ===<br> + [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, 300, "The “Crying Girl" (aka: '''Jill Johnson''') as confirmed below by various users.")]]<br> + == ==<br> + Due to the large volume of postings related to Crying Girl, information about this scam has been move to its own page at ["Crying Girl Con Artist"].<br> + <br> + === "Oakland Train Guy" ===<br> + A nicely dressed, polite African-American man in his twenties or thirties approaches people telling a story of how he came to Davis for a workshop but got stranded here when his car broke down. He supposedly needs just a few dollars to make enough money to buy a train ticket back to Oakland. He flashes a driver's license to prove he's from Oakland, making the story sound legitimate. He's been seen on ["E Street"] on the sidewalk by the ["Orange Court"].<br> + <br> + *This guy stopped me on the street outside the ["G St. Pub"] on May 13 around 7:30pm. Tall, African American, and very friendly. He said he was stranded in Davis and needed a few bucks for a train back to Richmond (he showed me his driver's license too). That day, I was dressed like the average student, and it should've been pretty obvious that I didn't have money to be giving away to strangers. He wasn't stopping older professor-types who look like they actually have the money, and that made me suspicious. Just before this, I was also approached in the same spot by a Caucasian man asking for money for food, and when I pointed him toward ["Davis Community Meals"], he got angry and walked away. I don't mean to say anything bad about G St., but it seems to attract a lot of scammers. -["Users/StephanieRobinson"]<br> + <br> + ** 2/21/2013 The "Oakland Train Guy" stopped me and two friends today on 3rd street outside of the Social Sciences Building (the death star). He gave us the same story as others have described and said he needed $17 for the Amtrak ticket. Collectively, he got $15 from us. Afterwards, I had a weird feeling about it and was told by another friend that he is a seasoned con artist in Davis. I called UC police and the woman on the phone sounded very familiar with him and told me they have to run him off campus often. I am annoyed that we got duped and don't want him to get away with it with anyone else. Beware!!<br> + <br> + ''2010-06-01 11:03:56'' [[nbsp]] Oakland Train Guy at it again on G Street and 2nd, Sunday 5/30 around 6pm --["Users/Byron"]<br> + <br> + 6/9/10 Train guy won again I saw a man give him $5 around 6:30 on 2nd st makes me wonder why do I work so hard when I could just walk around and lie to people.<br> + <br> + Encountered him today (July 12, 2010) by Orange Hut downtown around 6:30ish. I almost believed him, too.<br> + <br> + Sometime in 05/2011 - Looks like the guy is back. Approached me in front of the Art Building on campus a few weeks ago. - ["users/jiml"]<br> + <br> + March 2012- He's still around, roaming the Silo area and Segundo North. --["Users/AlexTK"]<br> + <br> + March 20, 2012: Approached me by the bus stop at U-mall stating that his car broke down, and it'll be in the shop for 2 more days. He needed to get to San Francisco by 4:30 and needed around ~$14 for an Amtrak ticket. Promised that if I helped him out he would help someone else out in return. I simply just said I didn't have cash on me (despite the crazy amount of groceries I just purchased) and he said, "I understand" and continued towards the ARC. --["Users/DeeptiNallapaneni"]<br> + <br> + On March 20, 2012, I passed by the MU bus station and was approached by a well dressed black man who was over 6-feet tall wearing sunglasses. He would probably be recognizable by his dreadlocks. He apologized profusely for stopping me and my friend and seemed very sincere in his plea for money to buy an Amtrak ticket to return to Stockton. He said he only needed $7 more. I only gave him $2 but now I'm wondering if it was a scam. He shook my hand after I handed him the money. This was around 2PM. --["Users/catd"]<br> + <br> + =Fake Fundraiser Con=<br> + We've all experienced those door-to-door fundraisers. Elementary school kids sell candy, wrapping paper, or magazine subscriptions. Shadier, pushier teens and adults sell candy bars for $5 apiece to supposedly raise money for leadership training, summer camp, and what have you. Not surprisingly, these aren't always legitimate. While you shouldn't necessarily call the cops on your neighbor's 4th grader, exercise caution. If you're suspicious, it's probably for good reason.<br> + <br> + As of May 2011 "students" going door-to-door are asking for money for music programs. An [http://www-new.davisenterprise.com/local-news/crime-fire-courts/ucd-warns-of-fundraising-scam/ article] in ["The Enterprise"] reports that UC Davis and Sacramento State are warning people that no university-affiliated music program is doing anything of the sort. Chances are the con artists will be happy to switch their story up, so just because they're not claiming to be collecting for a music program doesn't mean you should let your guard down.<br> + <br> + If you get a visit from these characters, contact the ["Davis Police Department"]. If you want to verify the legitimacy of fundraisers who come by, call the University Development Office at (530) 754-4438, or look up the phone number for whatever other organization they claim to represent. If you're suspicious but want to donate to the organization, contact the organization on your own and arrange to make a donation without going through a shady intermediary.<br> + <br> + * Annually (the last three years running) people have come to my door "selling magazines" to raise money for something or other. This last year, my roomate purchased two one year subscriptions that were supposed to come with bonus prizes, and totaled about $150. Nothing has ever shown up. --["users/masonmurray" MM]<br> + * ('''As of 04-17-2012'''): I was said roommate, confirm that magazines never showed up. Some research on the company they claimed to work for revealed national-level shadiness. Sure, people shouldn't be stupid and order from these people but folks should really be talking about this more. By the way, they are back again. They're in East Davis as I write and I reported them to the police. For those who haven't met one of them, they're a group of 20-somethings, usually rather hyperactive (tweaker-ish), smell like smokers, claim to be in a public speaking thingamajig with a boys-vs-girls contest as to win some sort of trip. They'll pull out a rather well-used sheet of magazines and start taking your info down. The second you say anything about not being able to pay they lose interest and leave very quickly. If one comes to your door you can ask to see their permit. If they don't have it it's an obvious scam and you should report them to the police immediately. --["users/kbathory" KB]<br> + * Same. They were always college-aged kids who wanted to sell me crap so they can win some dumb trip or something. Didn't buy anything from them because they sort of gave off this spoiled brat attitude. Wouldn't be surprised if they were conning people. Guess I'm only buying Girl Scout cookies now. --["Users/hankim"]<br> + <br> + =Interested Room-Seeker Con=<br> + <br> + [[Image(William.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300, "In the late 1840s, the term "confidence man" was coined to describe [wiki:wikipedia:"William Thompson (confidence man)" William Thompson]")]]<br> + <br> + This usually happens when someone leaves a posting online for a room that is available for rent. The con artist usually poses as a foreign student and contacts the poster about being interested in the room and then sends a check that is a certain amount over the requested amount for deposit, first month's rent, or any other possible costs involved in adding oneself to a lease. Then the con artist contacts the poster and asks for the extra money to be wired back (before the check bounces) in order to purchase plane tickets. Once the poster wires the money, the poster is out at least a thousand dollars or so. So those with an available room for rent, make sure the check clears before wiring money to anyone. But a cleared check does not put you completely in the clear. Banks are required by law to make funds available within a few days but it might take weeks before the issuer's bank processes and clears the check. Before the check is cleared by the issuer's bank, your bank is basically loaning you the money.<br> + * This goes on with selling used cars and the like, as well. It's also common for these people to call the number for a posting using a hearing assisted phone service, where there's an intermediary supposedly translating everything. No idea why... but my brother got two different calls like this when he was selling his car on the Bay Area Craigslist, both of them offering to send a check for a couple grand over asking price, letting him refund the difference. I have no idea why anyone would agree to this, but regardless, something to watch out for. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> + * It's a very common scam on Craigslist. If you sell something expensive on there, you will likely get a lot of scam e-mails sent to you. Some may even be automated. --["Users/IDoNotExist"]<br> + * Don't think that a cleared check will stop the bank from taking the money from you. They can up to 3 months after the check is cashed. --["Users/jimstewart"]<br> + <br> + =Cheap Housing Con=<br> + High housing turnover and people looking to live cheaply will sometimes lead to a scam where someone posts a bogus house on craigslist or similar, and then charges some kind of "viewing fee" or "advance deposit". Usually the houses involved in this are recently put on the market for sale, which is where the con finds the info. In order to avoid, google the address and see if the house has recently been on the market. Also, as always, if it's too good to be true, it probably is!<br> + <br> + =Returning Merchandise=<br> + Anyone been asked to return something for a guy outside Target, or maybe elsewhere? Target requires an ID to return something without the receipt to keep track of how many times you do this to catch shoplifters. This guy claims he lost the receipt and forgot his ID at home (out of town) and needs to return some expensive razor blades...<br> + <br> + =Free Music Speakers=<br> + Who doesn't love free stuff? Well that's what these two shady characters are counting on when they drive around and offer you a free set of music speakers. The story is they just remodeled a house and they have these speakers left over, and you can have em. The men are both caucasian, in their late 20s or early 30s, one with black hair, one with reddish blonde hair and, if I recall, a goatee. They drive a late model black Ford Explorer or Expedition with Florida license plates. I have been solicited by them three times in the last couple years: first in front of the South Davis ["Safeway"], then at the Shell station/In-N-Out parking lot, and most recently in ["The Marketplace"] parking lot.<br> + <br> + The most recent time, I was loading groceries in my car when they pulled up, the blonde passenger rolled down his window, and asked me if I wanted free speakers. I told him I wasn't interested. He kept offering until I told him they had approached me in the past. The man paused and said, "and what happened?" I replied, "I don't know, what's supposed to happen?" and he said "I dunno, it's supposed to be fun" and directed his friend to move on and go to a different part of the lot. --["Users/ClarkVineyard"]<br> + <br> + Thanks Davis Wiki! Got approached by these two guys today (they approached me near Bank of America as I was getting into my car and they were on the street (with cars behind them). I guess they thought I was a great target as I was wearing a t-shirt with a bunch of boomboxes on it. Unbeknownst to them, I already read about their little game. -- --["Users/AlvinTsao"]<br> + <br> + * This is the old [wiki:Wikipedia:"White van speaker scam"]. Like most scams, it's been around for years. I remember walking to lunch with a friend of mine in Berkeley about 20 years ago. We were stopped by guys in a real white van and they tried to sell us their speakers. We sent them to Meyers Sound just down the street. Told them that lots of hippie musicians worked there and would probably all be interested in their speakers. It's also common for wised-up victims to perpetuate the scam by selling their overpriced speakers on Craigslist for what they paid for them. --["users/jimstewart"]<br> + <br> + * Update May 30, 2011. Two guys in their 20s talked to me from their car on Russel. Pulled over, saw the speakers, they opened the box for me, followed me downtown to WellsFargo, where I withdrew $200. Took one last look at speakers, and typed brand and model number into my iPhone. Google pulls up pages of fraud alerts. Told the guys no deal, and took a photo of their vehicle as they left.<br> + * Looks like you whited out the plate. The speaker scam is an oldie but a goodie. Report it... especially since you can connect a vehicle ["Daubert"]<br> + *Didn't white out the license plate, but was actually trying to photograph it. I was just a bit nervous I guess, thus the crappy image. The "talker" had short light blondish hair, light complexion. The guy in the passenger seat, was pale had some facial piercings, and didn't talk very much. ["previous poster"]<br> + * I don't get it. What's the scam? They offer you free speakers, then you take them...and then what? Or do they expect you to go over to their house to pick them up, and then kidnap you or something? --["Users/TheShah"]<br> + * I think they sell you crap speakers that are broken or very low quality for the price of new/good quality. --["Users/jsbmeb"]<br> + * Well, that's how the scam usually works. These people are claiming the speakers are free. That's a new wrinkle. I wonder how they get your money in this iteration of the scam. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]<br> + * The scam I was subjected to, is that the box and website show an MSRP for something like $2,500 USD, and here you have two guys offering to let go of them for say $500 bucks. So even if you argue them down to $200 you think you are getting some incredible deal, but it turns out the speakers are worth about $50, and they possibly might not even work. I believe that this is an actual marketing campaign, but just a couple of dudes, but an entire army across the US, that work for this company. They probably buy the systems cheap, and then market them off in this manner. Pure speculation on my part, BTW.<br> + <br> + [http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o92/rankferal/photo.jpg] &lt;- Here's the photo<br> + <br> + <br> + =Sale of Stolen Bikes=<br> + With the abundance of ["bikes"] in the City of Davis, bike theft is an unfortunately common occurrence in town. Occasionally, stolen bikes may turn up for sale on sites like [http://sacramento.craigslist.org/ Craigslist]. A particular case was documented on the [http://daviswiki.org/Bike_Recovery_System#biketheft Bike Recovery System page].<br> + <br> + =Strategies to help honest people=<br> + <br> + ''2010-03-22 13:53:53'' [[nbsp]] I have found that the easiest way to tell if these people are legit is to offer them the specific help they ask for. If they say they need money for a train ticket, I offer to buy them a train ticket. If they say they need money for gas, I offer to pay for their gas. If they say they need money for food because they are starving, when I am coming out of the grocery store, I offer them a loaf of bread. They usually get indignant and try to come up with some lame excuse of why that won't help them. One guy who claimed to be starving actually turned down a loaf of bread. Anyway, in all of the time I have used this approach, I have only come across one person in need of what they were asking for. --["Users/DavidGrundler"]<br> + <br> + * That actually sounds like a great idea. Amazing how rarely we think of the simplest solutions... ["Users/WesOne"]<br> + * You would think, but it's not fool proof. A friend of mine is a manager at a local fast food restaraunt and there is often a homeless person out front with a cup for change. According to this friend he will accept food, then promptly throw it away. -- ["Users/masonmurray" MM]<br> + * It is a great idea. And I once bought a drink, sandwich, and chips for a guy hanging out at a grocery store, asking for money. Although he no doubt would have preferred the money, he did seem grateful for the food. --cp<br> + * Absolutely a great idea, when you are able to follow through on the offer. -["users/edwins" ES]<br> + * Yeah David, that seems like a solid approach, it was the one I came up with using the power of hindsight, but alas you have the same idea... ["Daubert"]<br> + * I gave out shampoos and snacks I got for ["Bounty and Savings" free at the stores] (easy, they're stationed right outside!) and they appreciated it - LY<br> + * This is a good strategy, or another good one is to give to a legitimate charity and then direct them to that charity. A fun one I learned from a friend is to buy McDonalds gift certificates (you can get them for $1) and give them out, or something similar. Also, I like to carry around dog treats in places where there are lots of homeless dogs. People seem really surprised when you hand them a dog treat, and the dog is definitely happy. From living in the middle of an enormous city for years, I make it a rule not to believe the stories that anyone tells me who randomly approaches me on the street, but I've noticed that in Davis it happens so rarely that people are frequently caught off guard. Don't worry about what happens if you don't help someone whose story you are unsure about--there are PLENTY of community resources and plenty of other people who they will ask after you. - ["Users/SweetMeliss"]<br> + <br> + = Other Cons, Ripoffs, and ["shadiness factor" Shadiness] =<br> + <br> + * ["Activities and Recreation Center"] - Forces every student to pay what is a high price for a gym membership.<br> + * ["ASUCD"] - Takes students' money and wastes it.<br> + * ["City Politics"] -?<br> + * ["Club Finance Council"] -why?<br> + * ["Political Party" Certain or all Parties] -- Never enough beer, and nobody plays any decent music.<br> + * ["Sequoia Equities"] -why?<br> + * UC Davis ["Textbook Buyback"] -- You are lucky if you get ten percent of what you paid for a book.<br> + <br> + -----<br> + <br> + ''See also ["shadiness factor"], ["bank robberies"], ["cults"] and ["crime"]''<br> + <br> + [[Comments]]<br> + ------<br> + ''2010-06-08 16:23:24'' [[nbsp]] About two weeks before Memorial Day, I got hit up by a short, light-skinned Hispanic guy claiming to be on leave from the Army and trying to buy a train ticket home to visit his family. He seemed pretty legit, but you never know. Anyone else bump into him? --["Users/AdamV"]<br> + * I think I bumped into him around the same time. I know for sure it was a Friday night. --["Users/hankim"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2011-01-12 20:06:43'' [[nbsp]] Guy going around saying he is a senior at Davis Senior High, trying to collect donations to help him go to San Jose State. He looks like he's in his early 20's shows a binder with a beat up looking "certificate of admission" to SJ State and some slips from my "neighbors" with emails and donations listed. Same thing happened a year ago at my old apartment some guy saying he got into SJ State. Just had another guy knock on my door while writing this doing the same thing, they definitely don't look like high school students. Anyone else seen these guys? Seems suspicious to me. --["Users/AnthonyL"]<br> + * I think I saw a African American guy go around door to door doing the same thing trying to sell newspaper or something, I wasn't sure if it was a scam or not. So I turned him away, especially since he had no catalog or anything, not even a sample paper. --["Users/ClarenceL"]<br> + <br> + * This guy just came to my apartment doing the exact same thing. I've turned people with the magazine-subscription type deal away before but I thought this guy was legit and felt like doing a nice thing. DO NOT BE FOOLED BY THIS KID. --Runnitarian<br> + <br> + * I've seen both! What's even worse is that I've given money to both! The Black guy came first. He was really nice and chatty, showing me the binder and the San Jose certificate. So I gave him 20 bucks. Several months later another guy (Hispanic) came around with the same story. Because I'm an idiot I thought it was some real program, I donated. After I gave the second time, something felt really fishy. He asked me to respond to an email that would come to me. I had to click to link so he would get his "point" for money for school. I asked him how he was sure I was going to get the email. He laughed and said with a smile "Oh you will. Don't worry". No email, but then again, I kind of knew it would't after he said that.<br> + Total scam. Also, colleges don't give out the "fancy" entrance diploma/entrance letter. You get the diploma AFTER you go to school and spend thousands of dollars. --["Users/farfelu5251"]<br> + <br> + * Me too. One came to my house and another stopped me at Nugget. I gave the 1st one money. They were selling Davis Enterprise subscriptions which never showed up. when I call the Enterprise, they never heard of this and I then knew I'd been scammed. I demanded my money back from the one in front of Nugget, but he took off running. --["Users/Aaron.Curtin"]<br> + <br> + * This has happened to me twice already, two different guys. Once was a few months ago, my husband answered the door. Second time was just this past Monday afternoon. The guy showed me a "certificate of admission" that was so worn and beat up I had a hard time reading it. He said the Davis Enterprise was nice enough to sponsor this program to help him pay for college. Then he kept telling me "look at all of your neighbors that have given a donation" and showing me a list of five or so emails from my "neighbors". When I told him that I, too, was a poor student, he insisted "just $5" maybe 5 or 6 times! This guy became desperate and annoying very quickly, it actually made me a bit nervous. --["Users/rachand1"]<br> + <br> + *Same exact thing happened to me recently, African-American male knocking on door and asking to donate by purchasing Enterprise newspapers for $10-$20 to support his college education at SJSU. He had a beat-up binder with a wrinkled diploma, emails of my "neighbors" that also donated (all were ucdavis.edu emails). He said he was only going to be around this week asking for donations, which is obviously a lie since the first person who reported this was in January 2011. I did not "donate", but he insisted that I just donate a few dollars, etc. Yeah, no thanks, can't fool me. Oct.4, 2011. -- ["Users/lovelovelove3"]<br> + <br> + *The hispanic guy was going around my apartment (September 10, 2011) and I opened the door for him. Definitely did not look like he was in high school. But anyways I ended up writing a check out to Chris Johnson... not sure if that's his name or some other person's but hopefully it will come in handy for someone else. I wrote him a check because there was another person the previous school year who was trying to get people to subscribe for Enterprise newspapers in front of Safeway... and I actually got the newspapers. So that guy was legit, but this other person not so much. --["Users/AW"]<br> + <br> + *I encountered a hispanic guy in my apartment complex (December 4, 2011). He claimed to be a senior graduating from Davis Senior High School I was initially thought that his story was true until I went to the Wiki. He claimed he just got accepted into UCLA. Let me point out that the UC App is due November 30 each year. There is no way he could have gotten accepted 4 days after the due date. He also gave me this ragged old binder to look at while giving me his speech. I didn't pay much attention to it but he told me to flip to the red page in the back. He told me that the Davis Enterprise will give him some money if he gets 15 people to sign up for a subscription. His speech sounds scripted, obviously not his first time, but polite.<br> + <br> + ------<br> + ''2011-02-01 00:29:25'' [[nbsp]] On Monday, Jan. 31, 2011, around 10:15 p.m., two white males in their early to mid 20s with short hair were asking for gas money from customers pumping fuel at the Chevron station at 1601 Research Park Drive (next to KFC, south of the I-80 Richards Ave. exit). They looked quite a bit like another pair of guys doing the same thing a couple weeks prior, at the same station. It was funny that they solicited everyone but me this night, perhaps that they recognized the guy who offered them $5 last time. They were driving a newish white Dodge Charger with license plate 6CLC671. One was wearing red basketball shorts and a white T-shirt. Another customer said that they tried to sell a gift card to him. One even tried to sound desperate and ask for someone's floor change.<br> + <br> + I hope that my suspicions are proven unfounded. --["Users/farrierson"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2011-02-26 22:35:08'' [[nbsp]] Capitalism is a con job. But it works. Most people are sheep ripe for the purchasing. Don't think you are special unless you've actually done a lick of good in this world, which is very rare. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2011-06-02 17:44:44'' [[nbsp]] The Davis Enterprise reported on Thursday June 2, 2011 about another door to door fundraiser scam, this time, the scammers are claiming to donate the stuff you give them to the UC Davis Children's Hospital. --["Users/ndah100"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2011-06-26 12:38:41'' [[nbsp]] The guy described by AnthonyL on 2011-01-12 was also making the rounds at Solano Park Apartments a few months ago. --["Users/dedelstein"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2011-07-31 9:40:38'' [[nbsp]] Look out for a young girl (about 8-years-old) who is being sent by her lurking mother to ask for money. My family was approached by her yesterday in the University Mall area. --["Users/elizabethforrestlambert"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2011-08-04 12:45:14'' [[nbsp]] Two guys pulled up trying to sell me speakers at the Wells today, obvious scam. The Wells Fargo staff was pretty courteous but have to agree -- rather hard to catch these criminals. They skirt the law and are scum. --["Users/shraken"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2011-08-14 22:20:34'' [[nbsp]] There were people in front of ["Trader Joe's"] selling candy. I've seen them do the same thing at ["Safeway"]. Legit fundraiser or con? --["Users/hankim"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2011-10-12 21:11:21'' [[nbsp]] A "tall, black guy" came by my building knocking on doors asking for money for school. He stole half of a neighbors pack of cigarettes she keeps on the table after he was turned away. --["Users/OliviaY"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2011-12-14 15:59:29'' [[nbsp]] There was an african america gentlemen who said he was a former convict going door to door selling magazine subscriptions with a company called D&amp;T Connections, or something like that. I am not sure it is a scam, but door to door sales are shady none the less. --["Users/ChrisDietrich"]<br> + * A group was working Old North on Sunday night. The guy that came to our door was more aggressive than I've ever seen and became argumentative. When my wife declined saying that she had ordered before and never received the product, he cussed her out as he walked away. That said, I'm not sure these are "con artists." I think they're truly poor youth that are recruited by swindlers and dumped into our neighborhoods in vans. Mortgage salespeople in 2007 were more con artists than these annoying kids. --["Users/ScottLay"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2011-12-15 15:47:42'' [[nbsp]] I live in West Davis and have had to two people come by "selling magazines" this week after dark. Even if they really are selling magazines I think it still counts as a scam. Also, I think you need special permits to go door to door selling stuff in this town. They were both rude and became angry with me when I told them that I would not be giving them money and one of them insinuated that I wasn't donating because I'm a racist. My roommate thought it was funny but I think its disturbing when people come by at night asking for money and getting mad. --["Users/MikeyCrews"]<br> + *I don't think you need a permit to sell door to door. I've never heard of such an ordinance. If you are caucasian and he is black, he was probably upset about the fact that his ancestors were enslaved wereas yours weren't, which would make many people understandably bitter. It does indeed suck to be doomed to a life of poverty because of racial oppression. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> + <br> + *Davis City Code Ordinance 1972...." Requiring registration and permitting of all peddlers, solicitors and transient vendors will assist in protecting the public against persons of criminal habits or tendencies representing themselves as peddlers, solicitors or transient vendors."<br> + <br> + and it goes on to say "Sec. 18-2. Uninvited entry prohibited.<br> + The practice of going in and upon private residences or residential property in the city by solicitors, peddlers, hawkers, itinerant merchants and transient vendors of merchandise, not having been requested or invited to do so by the owner or occupant of such private residences, for the purpose of soliciting donations, contracts or services, orders for the sale of contracts, services, goods, wares or merchandise or for the purpose of disposing of, or peddling, or hawking the same, or any of them, is prohibited and declared to be a nuisance except as provided for in this chapter."... the chapter goes on to say that you need the permits and you can't do it after dark.<br> + <br> + Your point about racism is barely worth responding to. To say that it's justifiable to call someone racist because they're a different race than you is racist itself. Also I don't think this is proper wikipage for discussing socioeconomic disparities. --["Users/MikeyCrews"]<br> + *Thank you for your illustration of Davis legislation. I never called anyone racist; I was simply explaining possible motivations. Although I was lucky enough to be born white, I can understand why black people might be a bit upset with the hand they've been dealt. They have mostly been fucked over in every socio-economic aspect you can think of. And us homo sapiens are basically a species of indifferent apes. It's quite depressing to anybody who can transcend ape-logic.--["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2012-01-26 19:19:40'' [[nbsp]] Ran into a lady near the UMall ATMs. She had a cart with a gallon of milk and asked for money. She said she needed food for her children. She looked like she needed the help, but I couldn't tell. Anyone else? --["Users/WaylandLee"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2012-03-06 01:45:18'' [[nbsp]] Recently an African American man aggressively came up to me and shook my hand and gave me the old my-car-is-out-of-gas-my-wife-and-baby-are-in-the-car sob story, and asked me for money. His brother (whom I doubt is his actual brother, likely an accomplice) follows him around with a phone and gives a home and cell number, both of which I suspect are fake. He was hanging around the MU last time I saw him, don't know if he's still around. --["Users/AnthonySheu"]<br> + <br> + *I recently was encountered by this same man a few weeks ago on September 2012. He didn't aggressively come up to me and shake my hand or anything, but gave the same old story. I bluntly and quickly told him "no" before he could even finish what he was saying. --["Users/MichelleNguyen"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2013-04-28 08:34:07'' [[nbsp]] Has anyone else seen that black guy (early 40's) hanging around 3rd Street right off of campus trying to sell his music? I see him walking between Pho King and the off-campus bookstore at least once a week trying to get people to buy one of his CDs. He was pretty nice the first time we spoke but he immediately lost all interest as soon as I told him I didn't have any cash. I didn't think much of it until I heard someone ask him to sing something, to which he replied "It's techno." It just seemed a little off to me.<br> + <br> + I might have to dust off my CD player for the next time he approaches me. --["Users/Darkfallin"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2013-05-11 00:46:30'' [[nbsp]] Beware of meeting people through online dating - under title The Match From Hell.<br> + <br> + There's a woman called Brenda Galkin Carmona, or Brenda G. Carmona...............if you happen to come across her just run like hell and don't look back. She's an opportunist who targets her 'mark' and then over a short period of time manages to infiltrate their life. Beware a woman scorned - once you cross her you'll soon see just how deeply she's found out everything about you. She makes herself out to be in the film financing business and when you meet her she'll be conveniently 'between deals' and then she'll hoodwink you with one or more of her sob-stories. You might also notice that she hasn't got a car as she just happened to 'total' hers around the time you meet. She'll also lie about her age (which is 35), and what's truly quite pathetic is that despite that, she has nothing to show for it except whatever she's managed to extort from her last victim. BEWARE - you have been warned! --["Users/davysontheroadagain"]<br> + [[Image(The 'Match' from hell.jpg)]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2013-05-11 01:10:01davysontheroadagainRenamed to "The 'Match' From Hell" <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- [[Image(tcm.jpg, thumbnail, right, 400, "Sometimes people like Davis Wiki User ["Users/hankim" Han Kim] offer a variety of easy ways to make money.")]]<br> - <br> - Some people use fictional stories to take advantage of helpful people. Here are some local '''Con Artists''', sorted by general types of confidence tricks. Be careful before adding people into this list, as there are genuine people in need.<br> - <br> - [[TableOfContents()]]<br> - <br> - =Elder Abuse Con Artist=<br> - Elder abuse con artist living in Davis: http://falling4marlo.blogspot.com/ [[Image(Marlo.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300)]]<br> - Scammer MARLO goes by Compton, Rojas, Sloan, Almlie, Moser, etc. Tall, blond, charming, she manipulates and cons posing as a doctor, a counselor, a cancer patient, or a downtrodden single mother. In prison for elder abuse and fraud in excess of $1.5 M; released in 2011, now living in Davis/Woodland area. Sympathetic people are drawn to her dramatic stories of abuse and/or illness. Without conscience, she'll seek control, manipulating folks into doing things they never considered and inspiring great loyalty through shame and supposed obligation.<br> - <br> - =Car Insurance Scam=<br> - <br> - In July 2012, the Davis Enterprise published a [http://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/crime-fire-courts/car-accident-scam-in-davis-police-dmv-offer-tips-to-protect-yourself/ story] about a reported car insurance scam that occured in Davis. In the story, a resident parked his car on the street while visiting a friend. When leaving he was approached by a well dressed asian man, approximately 40ish, accompanied by two females, who were driving a black van. They accused the resident of damaging thier car which had been parked in front of him earlier in the day. They demanded $200 to repair the damage. The resident claims he was pressured into paying them $185 on the spot, even though he felt like he had not damaged the car.<br> - <br> - =Fake Health Inspectors=<br> - <br> - On July 7th, 2011, the Davis Enterprise published a [http://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/yolo-county/food-workers-warned-of-fraudulent-inspector/ story] warning of fraudulent health inspectors operating in the area. The individual will call the business, claiming that there is an inspection scheduled the next day. Be aware that legitimate health inspecters will usually NOT announce an impending visit, nor will they collect money, or try to sell you anything. Yolo County Environmental Health may be contacted with any questions or to report suspicious activity at (530) 666-8646<br> - <br> - =Stranded Neighbor=<br> - <br> - While people can easily be genuinely stranded (not everybody carries their credit card everywhere, and being broke doesn't mean you can't ask for help), the key thing that makes this a con is that the person does not actually intend to use the money they ask for to buy gas, a train ticket, or other way to get out of their predicament. Instead of simply asking for money, their falsehood in their circumstances and the intended use for your charity (and the implication that you can help them with one act and they will be okay) makes this a con. Charity is great and important, but charities that ask for money for a purpose and then use it for other reasons is bad, be it a large charity or a single person.<br> - <br> - ''Example: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krg5r6n0kr4 YouTube video] of a news team following some panhandlers, including a “stranded” teenage girl. Some of these scamming panhandlers are relatively successful, estimated to earn up to $50/hr and may just be local kids/teenagers.''<br> - <br> - [[anchor(crying)]]<br> - ==Local Examples:==<br> - === ["Crying Girl Con Artist" Crying Girl with a Train Schedule] ===<br> - [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, 300, "The “Crying Girl" (aka: '''Jill Johnson''') as confirmed below by various users.")]]<br> - == ==<br> - Due to the large volume of postings related to Crying Girl, information about this scam has been move to its own page at ["Crying Girl Con Artist"].<br> - <br> - === "Oakland Train Guy" ===<br> - A nicely dressed, polite African-American man in his twenties or thirties approaches people telling a story of how he came to Davis for a workshop but got stranded here when his car broke down. He supposedly needs just a few dollars to make enough money to buy a train ticket back to Oakland. He flashes a driver's license to prove he's from Oakland, making the story sound legitimate. He's been seen on ["E Street"] on the sidewalk by the ["Orange Court"].<br> - <br> - *This guy stopped me on the street outside the ["G St. Pub"] on May 13 around 7:30pm. Tall, African American, and very friendly. He said he was stranded in Davis and needed a few bucks for a train back to Richmond (he showed me his driver's license too). That day, I was dressed like the average student, and it should've been pretty obvious that I didn't have money to be giving away to strangers. He wasn't stopping older professor-types who look like they actually have the money, and that made me suspicious. Just before this, I was also approached in the same spot by a Caucasian man asking for money for food, and when I pointed him toward ["Davis Community Meals"], he got angry and walked away. I don't mean to say anything bad about G St., but it seems to attract a lot of scammers. -["Users/StephanieRobinson"]<br> - <br> - ** 2/21/2013 The "Oakland Train Guy" stopped me and two friends today on 3rd street outside of the Social Sciences Building (the death star). He gave us the same story as others have described and said he needed $17 for the Amtrak ticket. Collectively, he got $15 from us. Afterwards, I had a weird feeling about it and was told by another friend that he is a seasoned con artist in Davis. I called UC police and the woman on the phone sounded very familiar with him and told me they have to run him off campus often. I am annoyed that we got duped and don't want him to get away with it with anyone else. Beware!!<br> - <br> - ''2010-06-01 11:03:56'' [[nbsp]] Oakland Train Guy at it again on G Street and 2nd, Sunday 5/30 around 6pm --["Users/Byron"]<br> - <br> - 6/9/10 Train guy won again I saw a man give him $5 around 6:30 on 2nd st makes me wonder why do I work so hard when I could just walk around and lie to people.<br> - <br> - Encountered him today (July 12, 2010) by Orange Hut downtown around 6:30ish. I almost believed him, too.<br> - <br> - Sometime in 05/2011 - Looks like the guy is back. Approached me in front of the Art Building on campus a few weeks ago. - ["users/jiml"]<br> - <br> - March 2012- He's still around, roaming the Silo area and Segundo North. --["Users/AlexTK"]<br> - <br> - March 20, 2012: Approached me by the bus stop at U-mall stating that his car broke down, and it'll be in the shop for 2 more days. He needed to get to San Francisco by 4:30 and needed around ~$14 for an Amtrak ticket. Promised that if I helped him out he would help someone else out in return. I simply just said I didn't have cash on me (despite the crazy amount of groceries I just purchased) and he said, "I understand" and continued towards the ARC. --["Users/DeeptiNallapaneni"]<br> - <br> - On March 20, 2012, I passed by the MU bus station and was approached by a well dressed black man who was over 6-feet tall wearing sunglasses. He would probably be recognizable by his dreadlocks. He apologized profusely for stopping me and my friend and seemed very sincere in his plea for money to buy an Amtrak ticket to return to Stockton. He said he only needed $7 more. I only gave him $2 but now I'm wondering if it was a scam. He shook my hand after I handed him the money. This was around 2PM. --["Users/catd"]<br> - <br> - =Fake Fundraiser Con=<br> - We've all experienced those door-to-door fundraisers. Elementary school kids sell candy, wrapping paper, or magazine subscriptions. Shadier, pushier teens and adults sell candy bars for $5 apiece to supposedly raise money for leadership training, summer camp, and what have you. Not surprisingly, these aren't always legitimate. While you shouldn't necessarily call the cops on your neighbor's 4th grader, exercise caution. If you're suspicious, it's probably for good reason.<br> - <br> - As of May 2011 "students" going door-to-door are asking for money for music programs. An [http://www-new.davisenterprise.com/local-news/crime-fire-courts/ucd-warns-of-fundraising-scam/ article] in ["The Enterprise"] reports that UC Davis and Sacramento State are warning people that no university-affiliated music program is doing anything of the sort. Chances are the con artists will be happy to switch their story up, so just because they're not claiming to be collecting for a music program doesn't mean you should let your guard down.<br> - <br> - If you get a visit from these characters, contact the ["Davis Police Department"]. If you want to verify the legitimacy of fundraisers who come by, call the University Development Office at (530) 754-4438, or look up the phone number for whatever other organization they claim to represent. If you're suspicious but want to donate to the organization, contact the organization on your own and arrange to make a donation without going through a shady intermediary.<br> - <br> - * Annually (the last three years running) people have come to my door "selling magazines" to raise money for something or other. This last year, my roomate purchased two one year subscriptions that were supposed to come with bonus prizes, and totaled about $150. Nothing has ever shown up. --["users/masonmurray" MM]<br> - * ('''As of 04-17-2012'''): I was said roommate, confirm that magazines never showed up. Some research on the company they claimed to work for revealed national-level shadiness. Sure, people shouldn't be stupid and order from these people but folks should really be talking about this more. By the way, they are back again. They're in East Davis as I write and I reported them to the police. For those who haven't met one of them, they're a group of 20-somethings, usually rather hyperactive (tweaker-ish), smell like smokers, claim to be in a public speaking thingamajig with a boys-vs-girls contest as to win some sort of trip. They'll pull out a rather well-used sheet of magazines and start taking your info down. The second you say anything about not being able to pay they lose interest and leave very quickly. If one comes to your door you can ask to see their permit. If they don't have it it's an obvious scam and you should report them to the police immediately. --["users/kbathory" KB]<br> - * Same. They were always college-aged kids who wanted to sell me crap so they can win some dumb trip or something. Didn't buy anything from them because they sort of gave off this spoiled brat attitude. Wouldn't be surprised if they were conning people. Guess I'm only buying Girl Scout cookies now. --["Users/hankim"]<br> - <br> - =Interested Room-Seeker Con=<br> - <br> - [[Image(William.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300, "In the late 1840s, the term "confidence man" was coined to describe [wiki:wikipedia:"William Thompson (confidence man)" William Thompson]")]]<br> - <br> - This usually happens when someone leaves a posting online for a room that is available for rent. The con artist usually poses as a foreign student and contacts the poster about being interested in the room and then sends a check that is a certain amount over the requested amount for deposit, first month's rent, or any other possible costs involved in adding oneself to a lease. Then the con artist contacts the poster and asks for the extra money to be wired back (before the check bounces) in order to purchase plane tickets. Once the poster wires the money, the poster is out at least a thousand dollars or so. So those with an available room for rent, make sure the check clears before wiring money to anyone. But a cleared check does not put you completely in the clear. Banks are required by law to make funds available within a few days but it might take weeks before the issuer's bank processes and clears the check. Before the check is cleared by the issuer's bank, your bank is basically loaning you the money.<br> - * This goes on with selling used cars and the like, as well. It's also common for these people to call the number for a posting using a hearing assisted phone service, where there's an intermediary supposedly translating everything. No idea why... but my brother got two different calls like this when he was selling his car on the Bay Area Craigslist, both of them offering to send a check for a couple grand over asking price, letting him refund the difference. I have no idea why anyone would agree to this, but regardless, something to watch out for. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - * It's a very common scam on Craigslist. If you sell something expensive on there, you will likely get a lot of scam e-mails sent to you. Some may even be automated. --["Users/IDoNotExist"]<br> - * Don't think that a cleared check will stop the bank from taking the money from you. They can up to 3 months after the check is cashed. --["Users/jimstewart"]<br> - <br> - =Cheap Housing Con=<br> - High housing turnover and people looking to live cheaply will sometimes lead to a scam where someone posts a bogus house on craigslist or similar, and then charges some kind of "viewing fee" or "advance deposit". Usually the houses involved in this are recently put on the market for sale, which is where the con finds the info. In order to avoid, google the address and see if the house has recently been on the market. Also, as always, if it's too good to be true, it probably is!<br> - <br> - =Returning Merchandise=<br> - Anyone been asked to return something for a guy outside Target, or maybe elsewhere? Target requires an ID to return something without the receipt to keep track of how many times you do this to catch shoplifters. This guy claims he lost the receipt and forgot his ID at home (out of town) and needs to return some expensive razor blades...<br> - <br> - =Free Music Speakers=<br> - Who doesn't love free stuff? Well that's what these two shady characters are counting on when they drive around and offer you a free set of music speakers. The story is they just remodeled a house and they have these speakers left over, and you can have em. The men are both caucasian, in their late 20s or early 30s, one with black hair, one with reddish blonde hair and, if I recall, a goatee. They drive a late model black Ford Explorer or Expedition with Florida license plates. I have been solicited by them three times in the last couple years: first in front of the South Davis ["Safeway"], then at the Shell station/In-N-Out parking lot, and most recently in ["The Marketplace"] parking lot.<br> - <br> - The most recent time, I was loading groceries in my car when they pulled up, the blonde passenger rolled down his window, and asked me if I wanted free speakers. I told him I wasn't interested. He kept offering until I told him they had approached me in the past. The man paused and said, "and what happened?" I replied, "I don't know, what's supposed to happen?" and he said "I dunno, it's supposed to be fun" and directed his friend to move on and go to a different part of the lot. --["Users/ClarkVineyard"]<br> - <br> - Thanks Davis Wiki! Got approached by these two guys today (they approached me near Bank of America as I was getting into my car and they were on the street (with cars behind them). I guess they thought I was a great target as I was wearing a t-shirt with a bunch of boomboxes on it. Unbeknownst to them, I already read about their little game. -- --["Users/AlvinTsao"]<br> - <br> - * This is the old [wiki:Wikipedia:"White van speaker scam"]. Like most scams, it's been around for years. I remember walking to lunch with a friend of mine in Berkeley about 20 years ago. We were stopped by guys in a real white van and they tried to sell us their speakers. We sent them to Meyers Sound just down the street. Told them that lots of hippie musicians worked there and would probably all be interested in their speakers. It's also common for wised-up victims to perpetuate the scam by selling their overpriced speakers on Craigslist for what they paid for them. --["users/jimstewart"]<br> - <br> - * Update May 30, 2011. Two guys in their 20s talked to me from their car on Russel. Pulled over, saw the speakers, they opened the box for me, followed me downtown to WellsFargo, where I withdrew $200. Took one last look at speakers, and typed brand and model number into my iPhone. Google pulls up pages of fraud alerts. Told the guys no deal, and took a photo of their vehicle as they left.<br> - * Looks like you whited out the plate. The speaker scam is an oldie but a goodie. Report it... especially since you can connect a vehicle ["Daubert"]<br> - *Didn't white out the license plate, but was actually trying to photograph it. I was just a bit nervous I guess, thus the crappy image. The "talker" had short light blondish hair, light complexion. The guy in the passenger seat, was pale had some facial piercings, and didn't talk very much. ["previous poster"]<br> - * I don't get it. What's the scam? They offer you free speakers, then you take them...and then what? Or do they expect you to go over to their house to pick them up, and then kidnap you or something? --["Users/TheShah"]<br> - * I think they sell you crap speakers that are broken or very low quality for the price of new/good quality. --["Users/jsbmeb"]<br> - * Well, that's how the scam usually works. These people are claiming the speakers are free. That's a new wrinkle. I wonder how they get your money in this iteration of the scam. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]<br> - * The scam I was subjected to, is that the box and website show an MSRP for something like $2,500 USD, and here you have two guys offering to let go of them for say $500 bucks. So even if you argue them down to $200 you think you are getting some incredible deal, but it turns out the speakers are worth about $50, and they possibly might not even work. I believe that this is an actual marketing campaign, but just a couple of dudes, but an entire army across the US, that work for this company. They probably buy the systems cheap, and then market them off in this manner. Pure speculation on my part, BTW.<br> - <br> - [http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o92/rankferal/photo.jpg] &lt;- Here's the photo<br> - <br> - <br> - =Sale of Stolen Bikes=<br> - With the abundance of ["bikes"] in the City of Davis, bike theft is an unfortunately common occurrence in town. Occasionally, stolen bikes may turn up for sale on sites like [http://sacramento.craigslist.org/ Craigslist]. A particular case was documented on the [http://daviswiki.org/Bike_Recovery_System#biketheft Bike Recovery System page].<br> - <br> - =Strategies to help honest people=<br> - <br> - ''2010-03-22 13:53:53'' [[nbsp]] I have found that the easiest way to tell if these people are legit is to offer them the specific help they ask for. If they say they need money for a train ticket, I offer to buy them a train ticket. If they say they need money for gas, I offer to pay for their gas. If they say they need money for food because they are starving, when I am coming out of the grocery store, I offer them a loaf of bread. They usually get indignant and try to come up with some lame excuse of why that won't help them. One guy who claimed to be starving actually turned down a loaf of bread. Anyway, in all of the time I have used this approach, I have only come across one person in need of what they were asking for. --["Users/DavidGrundler"]<br> - <br> - * That actually sounds like a great idea. Amazing how rarely we think of the simplest solutions... ["Users/WesOne"]<br> - * You would think, but it's not fool proof. A friend of mine is a manager at a local fast food restaraunt and there is often a homeless person out front with a cup for change. According to this friend he will accept food, then promptly throw it away. -- ["Users/masonmurray" MM]<br> - * It is a great idea. And I once bought a drink, sandwich, and chips for a guy hanging out at a grocery store, asking for money. Although he no doubt would have preferred the money, he did seem grateful for the food. --cp<br> - * Absolutely a great idea, when you are able to follow through on the offer. -["users/edwins" ES]<br> - * Yeah David, that seems like a solid approach, it was the one I came up with using the power of hindsight, but alas you have the same idea... ["Daubert"]<br> - * I gave out shampoos and snacks I got for ["Bounty and Savings" free at the stores] (easy, they're stationed right outside!) and they appreciated it - LY<br> - * This is a good strategy, or another good one is to give to a legitimate charity and then direct them to that charity. A fun one I learned from a friend is to buy McDonalds gift certificates (you can get them for $1) and give them out, or something similar. Also, I like to carry around dog treats in places where there are lots of homeless dogs. People seem really surprised when you hand them a dog treat, and the dog is definitely happy. From living in the middle of an enormous city for years, I make it a rule not to believe the stories that anyone tells me who randomly approaches me on the street, but I've noticed that in Davis it happens so rarely that people are frequently caught off guard. Don't worry about what happens if you don't help someone whose story you are unsure about--there are PLENTY of community resources and plenty of other people who they will ask after you. - ["Users/SweetMeliss"]<br> - <br> - = Other Cons, Ripoffs, and ["shadiness factor" Shadiness] =<br> - <br> - * ["Activities and Recreation Center"] - Forces every student to pay what is a high price for a gym membership.<br> - * ["ASUCD"] - Takes students' money and wastes it.<br> - * ["City Politics"] -?<br> - * ["Club Finance Council"] -why?<br> - * ["Political Party" Certain or all Parties] -- Never enough beer, and nobody plays any decent music.<br> - * ["Sequoia Equities"] -why?<br> - * UC Davis ["Textbook Buyback"] -- You are lucky if you get ten percent of what you paid for a book.<br> - <br> - -----<br> - <br> - ''See also ["shadiness factor"], ["bank robberies"], ["cults"] and ["crime"]''<br> - <br> - [[Comments]]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-06-08 16:23:24'' [[nbsp]] About two weeks before Memorial Day, I got hit up by a short, light-skinned Hispanic guy claiming to be on leave from the Army and trying to buy a train ticket home to visit his family. He seemed pretty legit, but you never know. Anyone else bump into him? --["Users/AdamV"]<br> - * I think I bumped into him around the same time. I know for sure it was a Friday night. --["Users/hankim"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-01-12 20:06:43'' [[nbsp]] Guy going around saying he is a senior at Davis Senior High, trying to collect donations to help him go to San Jose State. He looks like he's in his early 20's shows a binder with a beat up looking "certificate of admission" to SJ State and some slips from my "neighbors" with emails and donations listed. Same thing happened a year ago at my old apartment some guy saying he got into SJ State. Just had another guy knock on my door while writing this doing the same thing, they definitely don't look like high school students. Anyone else seen these guys? Seems suspicious to me. --["Users/AnthonyL"]<br> - * I think I saw a African American guy go around door to door doing the same thing trying to sell newspaper or something, I wasn't sure if it was a scam or not. So I turned him away, especially since he had no catalog or anything, not even a sample paper. --["Users/ClarenceL"]<br> - <br> - * This guy just came to my apartment doing the exact same thing. I've turned people with the magazine-subscription type deal away before but I thought this guy was legit and felt like doing a nice thing. DO NOT BE FOOLED BY THIS KID. --Runnitarian<br> - <br> - * I've seen both! What's even worse is that I've given money to both! The Black guy came first. He was really nice and chatty, showing me the binder and the San Jose certificate. So I gave him 20 bucks. Several months later another guy (Hispanic) came around with the same story. Because I'm an idiot I thought it was some real program, I donated. After I gave the second time, something felt really fishy. He asked me to respond to an email that would come to me. I had to click to link so he would get his "point" for money for school. I asked him how he was sure I was going to get the email. He laughed and said with a smile "Oh you will. Don't worry". No email, but then again, I kind of knew it would't after he said that.<br> - Total scam. Also, colleges don't give out the "fancy" entrance diploma/entrance letter. You get the diploma AFTER you go to school and spend thousands of dollars. --["Users/farfelu5251"]<br> - <br> - * Me too. One came to my house and another stopped me at Nugget. I gave the 1st one money. They were selling Davis Enterprise subscriptions which never showed up. when I call the Enterprise, they never heard of this and I then knew I'd been scammed. I demanded my money back from the one in front of Nugget, but he took off running. --["Users/Aaron.Curtin"]<br> - <br> - * This has happened to me twice already, two different guys. Once was a few months ago, my husband answered the door. Second time was just this past Monday afternoon. The guy showed me a "certificate of admission" that was so worn and beat up I had a hard time reading it. He said the Davis Enterprise was nice enough to sponsor this program to help him pay for college. Then he kept telling me "look at all of your neighbors that have given a donation" and showing me a list of five or so emails from my "neighbors". When I told him that I, too, was a poor student, he insisted "just $5" maybe 5 or 6 times! This guy became desperate and annoying very quickly, it actually made me a bit nervous. --["Users/rachand1"]<br> - <br> - *Same exact thing happened to me recently, African-American male knocking on door and asking to donate by purchasing Enterprise newspapers for $10-$20 to support his college education at SJSU. He had a beat-up binder with a wrinkled diploma, emails of my "neighbors" that also donated (all were ucdavis.edu emails). He said he was only going to be around this week asking for donations, which is obviously a lie since the first person who reported this was in January 2011. I did not "donate", but he insisted that I just donate a few dollars, etc. Yeah, no thanks, can't fool me. Oct.4, 2011. -- ["Users/lovelovelove3"]<br> - <br> - *The hispanic guy was going around my apartment (September 10, 2011) and I opened the door for him. Definitely did not look like he was in high school. But anyways I ended up writing a check out to Chris Johnson... not sure if that's his name or some other person's but hopefully it will come in handy for someone else. I wrote him a check because there was another person the previous school year who was trying to get people to subscribe for Enterprise newspapers in front of Safeway... and I actually got the newspapers. So that guy was legit, but this other person not so much. --["Users/AW"]<br> - <br> - *I encountered a hispanic guy in my apartment complex (December 4, 2011). He claimed to be a senior graduating from Davis Senior High School I was initially thought that his story was true until I went to the Wiki. He claimed he just got accepted into UCLA. Let me point out that the UC App is due November 30 each year. There is no way he could have gotten accepted 4 days after the due date. He also gave me this ragged old binder to look at while giving me his speech. I didn't pay much attention to it but he told me to flip to the red page in the back. He told me that the Davis Enterprise will give him some money if he gets 15 people to sign up for a subscription. His speech sounds scripted, obviously not his first time, but polite.<br> - <br> - ------<br> - ''2011-02-01 00:29:25'' [[nbsp]] On Monday, Jan. 31, 2011, around 10:15 p.m., two white males in their early to mid 20s with short hair were asking for gas money from customers pumping fuel at the Chevron station at 1601 Research Park Drive (next to KFC, south of the I-80 Richards Ave. exit). They looked quite a bit like another pair of guys doing the same thing a couple weeks prior, at the same station. It was funny that they solicited everyone but me this night, perhaps that they recognized the guy who offered them $5 last time. They were driving a newish white Dodge Charger with license plate 6CLC671. One was wearing red basketball shorts and a white T-shirt. Another customer said that they tried to sell a gift card to him. One even tried to sound desperate and ask for someone's floor change.<br> - <br> - I hope that my suspicions are proven unfounded. --["Users/farrierson"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-02-26 22:35:08'' [[nbsp]] Capitalism is a con job. But it works. Most people are sheep ripe for the purchasing. Don't think you are special unless you've actually done a lick of good in this world, which is very rare. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-06-02 17:44:44'' [[nbsp]] The Davis Enterprise reported on Thursday June 2, 2011 about another door to door fundraiser scam, this time, the scammers are claiming to donate the stuff you give them to the UC Davis Children's Hospital. --["Users/ndah100"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-06-26 12:38:41'' [[nbsp]] The guy described by AnthonyL on 2011-01-12 was also making the rounds at Solano Park Apartments a few months ago. --["Users/dedelstein"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-07-31 9:40:38'' [[nbsp]] Look out for a young girl (about 8-years-old) who is being sent by her lurking mother to ask for money. My family was approached by her yesterday in the University Mall area. --["Users/elizabethforrestlambert"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-08-04 12:45:14'' [[nbsp]] Two guys pulled up trying to sell me speakers at the Wells today, obvious scam. The Wells Fargo staff was pretty courteous but have to agree -- rather hard to catch these criminals. They skirt the law and are scum. --["Users/shraken"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-08-14 22:20:34'' [[nbsp]] There were people in front of ["Trader Joe's"] selling candy. I've seen them do the same thing at ["Safeway"]. Legit fundraiser or con? --["Users/hankim"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-10-12 21:11:21'' [[nbsp]] A "tall, black guy" came by my building knocking on doors asking for money for school. He stole half of a neighbors pack of cigarettes she keeps on the table after he was turned away. --["Users/OliviaY"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-12-14 15:59:29'' [[nbsp]] There was an african america gentlemen who said he was a former convict going door to door selling magazine subscriptions with a company called D&amp;T Connections, or something like that. I am not sure it is a scam, but door to door sales are shady none the less. --["Users/ChrisDietrich"]<br> - * A group was working Old North on Sunday night. The guy that came to our door was more aggressive than I've ever seen and became argumentative. When my wife declined saying that she had ordered before and never received the product, he cussed her out as he walked away. That said, I'm not sure these are "con artists." I think they're truly poor youth that are recruited by swindlers and dumped into our neighborhoods in vans. Mortgage salespeople in 2007 were more con artists than these annoying kids. --["Users/ScottLay"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-12-15 15:47:42'' [[nbsp]] I live in West Davis and have had to two people come by "selling magazines" this week after dark. Even if they really are selling magazines I think it still counts as a scam. Also, I think you need special permits to go door to door selling stuff in this town. They were both rude and became angry with me when I told them that I would not be giving them money and one of them insinuated that I wasn't donating because I'm a racist. My roommate thought it was funny but I think its disturbing when people come by at night asking for money and getting mad. --["Users/MikeyCrews"]<br> - *I don't think you need a permit to sell door to door. I've never heard of such an ordinance. If you are caucasian and he is black, he was probably upset about the fact that his ancestors were enslaved wereas yours weren't, which would make many people understandably bitter. It does indeed suck to be doomed to a life of poverty because of racial oppression. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> - <br> - *Davis City Code Ordinance 1972...." Requiring registration and permitting of all peddlers, solicitors and transient vendors will assist in protecting the public against persons of criminal habits or tendencies representing themselves as peddlers, solicitors or transient vendors."<br> - <br> - and it goes on to say "Sec. 18-2. Uninvited entry prohibited.<br> - The practice of going in and upon private residences or residential property in the city by solicitors, peddlers, hawkers, itinerant merchants and transient vendors of merchandise, not having been requested or invited to do so by the owner or occupant of such private residences, for the purpose of soliciting donations, contracts or services, orders for the sale of contracts, services, goods, wares or merchandise or for the purpose of disposing of, or peddling, or hawking the same, or any of them, is prohibited and declared to be a nuisance except as provided for in this chapter."... the chapter goes on to say that you need the permits and you can't do it after dark.<br> - <br> - Your point about racism is barely worth responding to. To say that it's justifiable to call someone racist because they're a different race than you is racist itself. Also I don't think this is proper wikipage for discussing socioeconomic disparities. --["Users/MikeyCrews"]<br> - *Thank you for your illustration of Davis legislation. I never called anyone racist; I was simply explaining possible motivations. Although I was lucky enough to be born white, I can understand why black people might be a bit upset with the hand they've been dealt. They have mostly been fucked over in every socio-economic aspect you can think of. And us homo sapiens are basically a species of indifferent apes. It's quite depressing to anybody who can transcend ape-logic.--["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2012-01-26 19:19:40'' [[nbsp]] Ran into a lady near the UMall ATMs. She had a cart with a gallon of milk and asked for money. She said she needed food for her children. She looked like she needed the help, but I couldn't tell. Anyone else? --["Users/WaylandLee"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2012-03-06 01:45:18'' [[nbsp]] Recently an African American man aggressively came up to me and shook my hand and gave me the old my-car-is-out-of-gas-my-wife-and-baby-are-in-the-car sob story, and asked me for money. His brother (whom I doubt is his actual brother, likely an accomplice) follows him around with a phone and gives a home and cell number, both of which I suspect are fake. He was hanging around the MU last time I saw him, don't know if he's still around. --["Users/AnthonySheu"]<br> - <br> - *I recently was encountered by this same man a few weeks ago on September 2012. He didn't aggressively come up to me and shake my hand or anything, but gave the same old story. I bluntly and quickly told him "no" before he could even finish what he was saying. --["Users/MichelleNguyen"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2013-04-28 08:34:07'' [[nbsp]] Has anyone else seen that black guy (early 40's) hanging around 3rd Street right off of campus trying to sell his music? I see him walking between Pho King and the off-campus bookstore at least once a week trying to get people to buy one of his CDs. He was pretty nice the first time we spoke but he immediately lost all interest as soon as I told him I didn't have any cash. I didn't think much of it until I heard someone ask him to sing something, to which he replied "It's techno." It just seemed a little off to me.<br> - <br> - I might have to dust off my CD player for the next time he approaches me. --["Users/Darkfallin"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2013-05-11 00:46:30'' [[nbsp]] Beware of meeting people through online dating - under title The Match From Hell.<br> - <br> - There's a woman called Brenda Galkin Carmona, or Brenda G. Carmona...............if you happen to come across her just run like hell and don't look back. She's an opportunist who targets her 'mark' and then over a short period of time manages to infiltrate their life. Beware a woman scorned - once you cross her you'll soon see just how deeply she's found out everything about you. She makes herself out to be in the film financing business and when you meet her she'll be conveniently 'between deals' and then she'll hoodwink you with one or more of her sob-stories. You might also notice that she hasn't got a car as she just happened to 'total' hers around the time you meet. She'll also lie about her age (which is 35), and what's truly quite pathetic is that despite that, she has nothing to show for it except whatever she's managed to extort from her last victim. BEWARE - you have been warned! --["Users/davysontheroadagain"]<br> - [[Image(The 'Match' from hell.jpg)]]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ #redirect The 'Match' From Hell</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2013-05-11 01:00:28davysontheroadagain <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 196: </td> <td> Line 196: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> There's a woman called Brenda Galkin Carmona, or Brenda G. Carmona...............if you happen to come across her just run like hell and don't look back. She's an opportunist who targets her 'mark' and then over a short period of time manages to infiltrate their life. Beware a woman scorned - once you cross her you'll soon see just how deeply she's found out everything about you. She makes herself out to be in the film financing business and when you meet her she'll be conveniently 'between deals' and then she'll hoodwink you with one or more of her sob-stories. You might also notice that she hasn't got a car as she just happened to 'total' hers around the time you meet. She'll also lie about her age (which is 35), and what's truly quite pathetic is that despite<span>&nbsp;her</span> that, she has nothing to show for it except whatever she's managed to extort from her last victim. BEWARE - you have been warned! --["Users/davysontheroadagain"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> There's a woman called Brenda Galkin Carmona, or Brenda G. Carmona...............if you happen to come across her just run like hell and don't look back. She's an opportunist who targets her 'mark' and then over a short period of time manages to infiltrate their life. Beware a woman scorned - once you cross her you'll soon see just how deeply she's found out everything about you. She makes herself out to be in the film financing business and when you meet her she'll be conveniently 'between deals' and then she'll hoodwink you with one or more of her sob-stories. You might also notice that she hasn't got a car as she just happened to 'total' hers around the time you meet. She'll also lie about her age (which is 35), and what's truly quite pathetic is that despite that, she has nothing to show for it except whatever she's managed to extort from her last victim. BEWARE - you have been warned! --["Users/davysontheroadagain"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2013-05-11 00:58:34davysontheroadagain <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 197: </td> <td> Line 197: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ [[Image(The 'Match' from hell.jpg)]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2013-05-11 00:58:03davysontheroadagainUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&do=view&target=The%20%27Match%27%20from%20hell.jpg">The 'Match' from hell.jpg</a>.Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2013-05-11 00:46:30davysontheroadagainComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 193: </td> <td> Line 193: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2013-05-11 00:46:30'' [[nbsp]] Beware of meeting people through online dating - under title The Match From Hell.<br> + <br> + There's a woman called Brenda Galkin Carmona, or Brenda G. Carmona...............if you happen to come across her just run like hell and don't look back. She's an opportunist who targets her 'mark' and then over a short period of time manages to infiltrate their life. Beware a woman scorned - once you cross her you'll soon see just how deeply she's found out everything about you. She makes herself out to be in the film financing business and when you meet her she'll be conveniently 'between deals' and then she'll hoodwink you with one or more of her sob-stories. You might also notice that she hasn't got a car as she just happened to 'total' hers around the time you meet. She'll also lie about her age (which is 35), and what's truly quite pathetic is that despite her that, she has nothing to show for it except whatever she's managed to extort from her last victim. BEWARE - you have been warned! --["Users/davysontheroadagain"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2013-04-28 08:36:10Darkfallin <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 190: </td> <td> Line 190: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2013-04-28 08:34:07'' [[nbsp]] Has anyone else seen that black guy (early 40's) hanging around 3rd Street right off of campus trying to sell his music? I see him walking between Pho King and the off-campus bookstore at least once a week trying to get people to buy one of his CDs. He was pretty nice the first time we spoke but he immediately lost all interest as soon as I told him I didn't have any cash. I didn't think much of it until I heard someone ask him to sing something, to which he replied "It's techno." </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2013-04-28 08:34:07'' [[nbsp]] Has anyone else seen that black guy (early 40's) hanging around 3rd Street right off of campus trying to sell his music? I see him walking between Pho King and the off-campus bookstore at least once a week trying to get people to buy one of his CDs. He was pretty nice the first time we spoke but he immediately lost all interest as soon as I told him I didn't have any cash. I didn't think much of it until I heard someone ask him to sing something, to which he replied "It's techno."<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;It just seemed a little off to me.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2013-04-28 08:34:07DarkfallinComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 189: </td> <td> Line 189: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2013-04-28 08:34:07'' [[nbsp]] Has anyone else seen that black guy (early 40's) hanging around 3rd Street right off of campus trying to sell his music? I see him walking between Pho King and the off-campus bookstore at least once a week trying to get people to buy one of his CDs. He was pretty nice the first time we spoke but he immediately lost all interest as soon as I told him I didn't have any cash. I didn't think much of it until I heard someone ask him to sing something, to which he replied "It's techno."<br> + <br> + I might have to dust off my CD player for the next time he approaches me. --["Users/Darkfallin"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2013-02-21 14:43:47KLynn <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 36: </td> <td> Line 36: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + ** 2/21/2013 The "Oakland Train Guy" stopped me and two friends today on 3rd street outside of the Social Sciences Building (the death star). He gave us the same story as others have described and said he needed $17 for the Amtrak ticket. Collectively, he got $15 from us. Afterwards, I had a weird feeling about it and was told by another friend that he is a seasoned con artist in Davis. I called UC police and the woman on the phone sounded very familiar with him and told me they have to run him off campus often. I am annoyed that we got duped and don't want him to get away with it with anyone else. Beware!!</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2013-02-10 13:41:23CovertProfessorRevert to version 492 (remvoing non-Davis post). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 187: </td> <td> Line 187: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2013-02-10 10:55:20'' [[nbsp]] On Feb 9, 2013 around 6:20 pm, here in Norfolk, VA, I had the fundraiser scam happen to me. Something about Public speaking and winning a trip. She seemed very odd and I couldn't really see her pupils. She talked real fast and was making odd jokes about things that made no sense. She went on about the trip and it gets her extra points and blah blah blah! She asked to use my table, which is about 15 ft from the door. But lucky me, there's one by the door. She continued on and on about the books and the trip. She was a young Caucasian female, she looked to be 15 to 18 years old, and smelled of cucumber melon lotion and cigarettes. She was underweight - 110/130lbs and has a tattoo on her left forearm (black in color). She seemed very antsy and was very hyper and chipper considering I was a stranger in a historically bad area. She wanted my info and asked me to leave a comment. I gave her false info because it didn't sit well with me. But when i ask her to come back next week, she seemed disappointed and told me she wasn't going to be able to come back and it was okay because i wasn't helping the boys win. Before she left she asked for something to drink. I figured it could do no harm - besides it was just a bottle of water. Anywho, after I gave her the water she said her byes and proceeded to leave.... or so I thought. I didn't hear her leave from the complex nor did I hear the main door close. As I locked the door I looked out the peephole and she was still there and she tried to open my door. By that time I was freaked out! I'm ex military and I've never encountered anything like this. So I called the police and they did nothing. . . He said kids do fundraisers all the time and blah blah, disregarding the fact she tried to open my door. But now, I'm on high alert and my bat goes every where with me plus my knife. Trust no one. --["Users/SlyyWolf"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2013-02-10 11:55:20SlyyWolfComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 187: </td> <td> Line 187: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2013-02-10 10:55:20'' [[nbsp]] On Feb 9, 2013 around 6:20 pm, here in Norfolk, VA, I had the fundraiser scam happen to me. Something about Public speaking and winning a trip. She seemed very odd and I couldn't really see her pupils. She talked real fast and was making odd jokes about things that made no sense. She went on about the trip and it gets her extra points and blah blah blah! She asked to use my table, which is about 15 ft from the door. But lucky me, there's one by the door. She continued on and on about the books and the trip. She was a young Caucasian female, she looked to be 15 to 18 years old, and smelled of cucumber melon lotion and cigarettes. She was underweight - 110/130lbs and has a tattoo on her left forearm (black in color). She seemed very antsy and was very hyper and chipper considering I was a stranger in a historically bad area. She wanted my info and asked me to leave a comment. I gave her false info because it didn't sit well with me. But when i ask her to come back next week, she seemed disappointed and told me she wasn't going to be able to come back and it was okay because i wasn't helping the boys win. Before she left she asked for something to drink. I figured it could do no harm - besides it was just a bottle of water. Anywho, after I gave her the water she said her byes and proceeded to leave.... or so I thought. I didn't hear her leave from the complex nor did I hear the main door close. As I locked the door I looked out the peephole and she was still there and she tried to open my door. By that time I was freaked out! I'm ex military and I've never encountered anything like this. So I called the police and they did nothing. . . He said kids do fundraisers all the time and blah blah, disregarding the fact she tried to open my door. But now, I'm on high alert and my bat goes every where with me plus my knife. Trust no one. --["Users/SlyyWolf"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2012-11-16 21:37:41DonShor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + =Elder Abuse Con Artist=<br> + Elder abuse con artist living in Davis: http://falling4marlo.blogspot.com/ [[Image(Marlo.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300)]]<br> + Scammer MARLO goes by Compton, Rojas, Sloan, Almlie, Moser, etc. Tall, blond, charming, she manipulates and cons posing as a doctor, a counselor, a cancer patient, or a downtrodden single mother. In prison for elder abuse and fraud in excess of $1.5 M; released in 2011, now living in Davis/Woodland area. Sympathetic people are drawn to her dramatic stories of abuse and/or illness. Without conscience, she'll seek control, manipulating folks into doing things they never considered and inspiring great loyalty through shame and supposed obligation.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2012-11-16 21:34:44DonShorUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&do=view&target=Marlo.jpg">Marlo.jpg</a>.Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2012-10-27 22:34:37MichelleNguyen <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 182: </td> <td> Line 182: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> *I recently was encountered by this same man a few weeks ago on September 2012. He didn't aggressively come up to me and shake my hand or anything, but gave the same old story. I bluntly and quickly told him "no" before he could even finish what he was saying. --["Users/MichelleNguyen] </td> <td> <span>+</span> *I recently was encountered by this same man a few weeks ago on September 2012. He didn't aggressively come up to me and shake my hand or anything, but gave the same old story. I bluntly and quickly told him "no" before he could even finish what he was saying. --["Users/MichelleNguyen<span>"</span>] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2012-10-27 22:34:12MichelleNguyen <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 182: </td> <td> Line 182: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- (</span>*<span>) </span>I recently was encountered by this same man a few weeks ago on September 2012. He didn't aggressively come up to me and shake my hand or anything, but gave the same old story. I bluntly and quickly told him "no" before he could even finish what he was saying. --["Users/MichelleNguyen] </td> <td> <span>+ </span>*I recently was encountered by this same man a few weeks ago on September 2012. He didn't aggressively come up to me and shake my hand or anything, but gave the same old story. I bluntly and quickly told him "no" before he could even finish what he was saying. --["Users/MichelleNguyen] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2012-10-27 22:31:02MichelleNguyen <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 182: </td> <td> Line 182: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span>* I recently was encountered by this same man a few weeks ago on September 2012. He didn't aggressively come up to me and shake my hand or anything, but gave the same old story. I bluntly and quickly told him "no" before he could even finish what he was saying. --["Users/MichelleNguyen] </td> <td> <span>+ (</span>*<span>)</span> I recently was encountered by this same man a few weeks ago on September 2012. He didn't aggressively come up to me and shake my hand or anything, but gave the same old story. I bluntly and quickly told him "no" before he could even finish what he was saying. --["Users/MichelleNguyen] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2012-10-27 22:30:05MichelleNguyen <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 181: </td> <td> Line 181: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + * I recently was encountered by this same man a few weeks ago on September 2012. He didn't aggressively come up to me and shake my hand or anything, but gave the same old story. I bluntly and quickly told him "no" before he could even finish what he was saying. --["Users/MichelleNguyen]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2012-07-05 15:41:52jefftolentinocar insurance scam <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 7: </td> <td> Line 7: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ==Fake Health Inspectors==</span> </td> <td> <span>+ =Car Insurance Scam=<br> + <br> + In July 2012, the Davis Enterprise published a [http://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/crime-fire-courts/car-accident-scam-in-davis-police-dmv-offer-tips-to-protect-yourself/ story] about a reported car insurance scam that occured in Davis. In the story, a resident parked his car on the street while visiting a friend. When leaving he was approached by a well dressed asian man, approximately 40ish, accompanied by two females, who were driving a black van. They accused the resident of damaging thier car which had been parked in front of him earlier in the day. They demanded $200 to repair the damage. The resident claims he was pressured into paying them $185 on the spot, even though he felt like he had not damaged the car.<br> + <br> + =Fake Health Inspectors=</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2012-07-05 15:33:13jefftolentinoremoving threat level alert, updating health inspector date. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ||&lt;#ffaa00 tableborder="1" tablewidth="100%" :&gt;'''''Current Threat Level: ["orange trees" Orange]'''''||<br> - ||&lt;#eeeeee :&gt;'''The Enterprise reported on July 7th about fake health inspectors operating in the area.'''||<br> - <br> - </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 9: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> On July 7th, the Davis Enterprise published a [http://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/yolo-county/food-workers-warned-of-fraudulent-inspector/ story] warning of fraudulent health inspectors operating in the area. The individual will call the business, claiming that there is an inspection scheduled the next day. Be aware that legitimate health inspecters will usually NOT announce an impending visit, nor will they collect money, or try to sell you anything. Yolo County Environmental Health may be contacted with any questions or to report suspicious activity at (530) 666-8646 </td> <td> <span>+</span> On July 7th<span>, 2011</span>, the Davis Enterprise published a [http://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/yolo-county/food-workers-warned-of-fraudulent-inspector/ story] warning of fraudulent health inspectors operating in the area. The individual will call the business, claiming that there is an inspection scheduled the next day. Be aware that legitimate health inspecters will usually NOT announce an impending visit, nor will they collect money, or try to sell you anything. Yolo County Environmental Health may be contacted with any questions or to report suspicious activity at (530) 666-8646 </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2012-04-17 13:40:46KBathory <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 55: </td> <td> Line 55: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * ('''As of 04-17-2012'''): I was said roommate, confirm that magazines never showed up. Some research on the company they claimed to work for revealed national-level shadiness. Sure, people shouldn't be stupid and order from these people but folks should really be talking about this more. By the way, they are back again. They're in East Davis as I write and I reported them to the police. For those who haven't met one of them, they're a group of 20-somethings, usually rather hyperactive (tweaker-ish), smell like smokers, claim to be in a public speaking thingamajig with a boys-vs-girls contest as to win some sort of trip. They'll pull out a rather well-used sheet of magazines and start taking your info down. The second you say anything about not being able to pay they lose interest and leave very quickly. If one comes to your door you can ask to see their permit. If they don't have it it's an obvious scam and you should report them to the police immediately. --["users/kbathory" KB]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2012-03-23 12:16:41catd <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 45: </td> <td> Line 45: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- '</span>On March 20, 2012, I passed by the MU bus station and was approached by a well dressed black man who was over 6-feet tall wearing sunglasses. He would probably be recognizable by his dreadlocks. He apologized profusely for stopping <span>us (my friend and I)</span> and seemed very sincere in his plea for money to buy an Amtrak ticket to return to Stockton. He said he only needed $7 more. I only gave him $2 but now I'm wondering if it was a scam. He shook my hand after I handed him the money. This was around 2PM. --["Users/catd"] </td> <td> <span>+ </span>On March 20, 2012, I passed by the MU bus station and was approached by a well dressed black man who was over 6-feet tall wearing sunglasses. He would probably be recognizable by his dreadlocks. He apologized profusely for stopping <span>me and my friend</span> and seemed very sincere in his plea for money to buy an Amtrak ticket to return to Stockton. He said he only needed $7 more. I only gave him $2 but now I'm wondering if it was a scam. He shook my hand after I handed him the money. This was around 2PM. --["Users/catd"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2012-03-23 02:04:05catd <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 44: </td> <td> Line 44: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + 'On March 20, 2012, I passed by the MU bus station and was approached by a well dressed black man who was over 6-feet tall wearing sunglasses. He would probably be recognizable by his dreadlocks. He apologized profusely for stopping us (my friend and I) and seemed very sincere in his plea for money to buy an Amtrak ticket to return to Stockton. He said he only needed $7 more. I only gave him $2 but now I'm wondering if it was a scam. He shook my hand after I handed him the money. This was around 2PM. --["Users/catd"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 178: </td> <td> Line 180: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2012-03-23 02:01:04'' [[nbsp]] On March 20, 2012, I passed by the MU bus station and was approached by a well dressed black man who was over 6-feet tall wearing sunglasses. He would probably be recognizable by his dreadlocks. He apologized profusely for stopping us (my friend and I) and seemed very sincere in his plea for money to buy an Amtrak ticket to return to Stockton. He said he only needed $7 more. I only gave him $2 but now I'm wondering if it was a scam. He shook my hand after I handed him the money. This was around 2PM. --["Users/catd"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2012-03-23 02:02:44catd <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 179: </td> <td> Line 179: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2012-03-23 02:01:04'' [[nbsp]] On March 20, 2012, I passed by the MU bus station and was approached by a well dressed black man who was over 6-feet tall wearing sunglass<span>es and shad</span>es. He would probably be recognizable by his dreadlocks. He apologized profusely for stopping us (my friend and I) and seemed very sincere in his plea for money to buy an Amtrak ticket to return to Stockton. He said he only needed $7 more. I only gave him $2 but now I'm wondering if it was a scam. He shook my hand after I handed him the money. This was around 2PM. --["Users/catd"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2012-03-23 02:01:04'' [[nbsp]] On March 20, 2012, I passed by the MU bus station and was approached by a well dressed black man who was over 6-feet tall wearing sunglasses. He would probably be recognizable by his dreadlocks. He apologized profusely for stopping us (my friend and I) and seemed very sincere in his plea for money to buy an Amtrak ticket to return to Stockton. He said he only needed $7 more. I only gave him $2 but now I'm wondering if it was a scam. He shook my hand after I handed him the money. This was around 2PM. --["Users/catd"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2012-03-23 02:01:04catdComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 178: </td> <td> Line 178: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2012-03-23 02:01:04'' [[nbsp]] On March 20, 2012, I passed by the MU bus station and was approached by a well dressed black man who was over 6-feet tall wearing sunglasses and shades. He would probably be recognizable by his dreadlocks. He apologized profusely for stopping us (my friend and I) and seemed very sincere in his plea for money to buy an Amtrak ticket to return to Stockton. He said he only needed $7 more. I only gave him $2 but now I'm wondering if it was a scam. He shook my hand after I handed him the money. This was around 2PM. --["Users/catd"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2012-03-21 12:06:31DeeptiNallapaneni <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 42: </td> <td> Line 42: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + March 20, 2012: Approached me by the bus stop at U-mall stating that his car broke down, and it'll be in the shop for 2 more days. He needed to get to San Francisco by 4:30 and needed around ~$14 for an Amtrak ticket. Promised that if I helped him out he would help someone else out in return. I simply just said I didn't have cash on me (despite the crazy amount of groceries I just purchased) and he said, "I understand" and continued towards the ARC. --["Users/DeeptiNallapaneni"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2012-03-06 02:45:18AnthonySheuComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 174: </td> <td> Line 174: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2012-03-06 01:45:18'' [[nbsp]] Recently an African American man aggressively came up to me and shook my hand and gave me the old my-car-is-out-of-gas-my-wife-and-baby-are-in-the-car sob story, and asked me for money. His brother (whom I doubt is his actual brother, likely an accomplice) follows him around with a phone and gives a home and cell number, both of which I suspect are fake. He was hanging around the MU last time I saw him, don't know if he's still around. --["Users/AnthonySheu"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2012-03-01 16:58:55AlexTK <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 40: </td> <td> Line 40: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + March 2012- He's still around, roaming the Silo area and Segundo North. --["Users/AlexTK"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2012-01-26 20:19:40WaylandLeeComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 170: </td> <td> Line 170: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2012-01-26 19:19:40'' [[nbsp]] Ran into a lady near the UMall ATMs. She had a cart with a gallon of milk and asked for money. She said she needed food for her children. She looked like she needed the help, but I couldn't tell. Anyone else? --["Users/WaylandLee"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-12-15 19:11:39ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 169: </td> <td> Line 169: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> *Thank you for your illustration of Davis legislation. I never called anyone racist; I was simply explaining possible motivations. Although I was lucky enough to be born white, I can understand why black people might be a bit upset with the hand they've been dealt. <span>&nbsp;</span>--["Users/ScottMeehleib"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> *Thank you for your illustration of Davis legislation. I never called anyone racist; I was simply explaining possible motivations. Although I was lucky enough to be born white, I can understand why black people might be a bit upset with the hand they've been dealt. <span>They have mostly been fucked over in every socio-economic aspect you can think of. And us homo sapiens are basically a species of indifferent apes. It's quite depressing to anybody who can transcend ape-logic.</span>--["Users/ScottMeehleib"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-12-15 19:05:31ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 169: </td> <td> Line 169: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ *Thank you for your illustration of Davis legislation. I never called anyone racist; I was simply explaining possible motivations. Although I was lucky enough to be born white, I can understand why black people might be a bit upset with the hand they've been dealt. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-12-15 17:48:02MikeyCrews <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 162: </td> <td> Line 162: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + *Davis City Code Ordinance 1972...." Requiring registration and permitting of all peddlers, solicitors and transient vendors will assist in protecting the public against persons of criminal habits or tendencies representing themselves as peddlers, solicitors or transient vendors."<br> + <br> + and it goes on to say "Sec. 18-2. Uninvited entry prohibited.<br> + The practice of going in and upon private residences or residential property in the city by solicitors, peddlers, hawkers, itinerant merchants and transient vendors of merchandise, not having been requested or invited to do so by the owner or occupant of such private residences, for the purpose of soliciting donations, contracts or services, orders for the sale of contracts, services, goods, wares or merchandise or for the purpose of disposing of, or peddling, or hawking the same, or any of them, is prohibited and declared to be a nuisance except as provided for in this chapter."... the chapter goes on to say that you need the permits and you can't do it after dark.<br> + <br> + Your point about racism is barely worth responding to. To say that it's justifiable to call someone racist because they're a different race than you is racist itself. Also I don't think this is proper wikipage for discussing socioeconomic disparities. --["Users/MikeyCrews"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-12-15 17:11:38ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 161: </td> <td> Line 161: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ *I don't think you need a permit to sell door to door. I've never heard of such an ordinance. If you are caucasian and he is black, he was probably upset about the fact that his ancestors were enslaved wereas yours weren't, which would make many people understandably bitter. It does indeed suck to be doomed to a life of poverty because of racial oppression. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-12-15 16:47:42MikeyCrewsComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 159: </td> <td> Line 159: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-12-15 15:47:42'' [[nbsp]] I live in West Davis and have had to two people come by "selling magazines" this week after dark. Even if they really are selling magazines I think it still counts as a scam. Also, I think you need special permits to go door to door selling stuff in this town. They were both rude and became angry with me when I told them that I would not be giving them money and one of them insinuated that I wasn't donating because I'm a racist. My roommate thought it was funny but I think its disturbing when people come by at night asking for money and getting mad. --["Users/MikeyCrews"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-12-14 17:43:33ScottLayupdate <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 158: </td> <td> Line 158: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * A group was working Old North on Sunday night. The guy that came to our door was more aggressive than I've ever seen and became argumentative. When my wife declined saying that she had ordered before and never received the product, he cussed her out as he walked away. That said, I'm not sure these are "con artists." I think they're truly poor youth that are recruited by swindlers and dumped into our neighborhoods in vans. Mortgage salespeople in 2007 were more con artists than these annoying kids. --["Users/ScottLay"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-12-14 16:59:29ChrisDietrichComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 156: </td> <td> Line 156: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-12-14 15:59:29'' [[nbsp]] There was an african america gentlemen who said he was a former convict going door to door selling magazine subscriptions with a company called D&amp;T Connections, or something like that. I am not sure it is a scam, but door to door sales are shady none the less. --["Users/ChrisDietrich"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-12-04 23:45:20Huck22 <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 136: </td> <td> Line 136: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> *I encountered a hispanic guy in my apartment complex (December 4, 2011). He claimed to be a senior graduating from Davis Senior High School I was initially thought that his story was true until I went to the Wiki. He claimed he just got accepted into UCLA<span>&nbsp;and helps/works/associated to some organization that helps minorities (can't remember what he said)</span>. Let me point out that the UC App is due November 30 each year. There is no way he could have gotten accepted 4 days after the due date. He also gave me this ragged old binder to look at while giving me his speech. I didn't pay much attention to it but he told me to flip to the red page in the back. He told me that the Davis Enterprise will give him some money if he gets 15 people to sign up for a subscription. His speech sounds scripted, obviously not his first time, but polite. </td> <td> <span>+</span> *I encountered a hispanic guy in my apartment complex (December 4, 2011). He claimed to be a senior graduating from Davis Senior High School I was initially thought that his story was true until I went to the Wiki. He claimed he just got accepted into UCLA. Let me point out that the UC App is due November 30 each year. There is no way he could have gotten accepted 4 days after the due date. He also gave me this ragged old binder to look at while giving me his speech. I didn't pay much attention to it but he told me to flip to the red page in the back. He told me that the Davis Enterprise will give him some money if he gets 15 people to sign up for a subscription. His speech sounds scripted, obviously not his first time, but polite. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-12-04 23:40:19Huck22 <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 136: </td> <td> Line 136: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> *I encountered a hispanic guy in my apartment complex (December 4, 2011)<span>&nbsp;at around 6:30pm</span>. He claimed to be a senior graduating from Davis Senior High School I was initially thought that his story was true until I went to the Wiki. He claimed he just got accepted into UCLA and helps/works/associated to some organization that helps minorities (can't remember what he said). Let me point out that the UC App is due November 30 each year. There is no way he could have gotten accepted 4 days after the due date. He also gave me this ragged old binder to look at while giving me his speech. I didn't pay much attention to it but he told me to flip to the red page in the back. He told me that the Davis Enterprise will give him some money if he gets 15 people to sign up for a subscription. His speech sounds scripted, obviously not his first time, but polite. </td> <td> <span>+</span> *I encountered a hispanic guy in my apartment complex (December 4, 2011). He claimed to be a senior graduating from Davis Senior High School I was initially thought that his story was true until I went to the Wiki. He claimed he just got accepted into UCLA and helps/works/associated to some organization that helps minorities (can't remember what he said). Let me point out that the UC App is due November 30 each year. There is no way he could have gotten accepted 4 days after the due date. He also gave me this ragged old binder to look at while giving me his speech. I didn't pay much attention to it but he told me to flip to the red page in the back. He told me that the Davis Enterprise will give him some money if he gets 15 people to sign up for a subscription. His speech sounds scripted, obviously not his first time, but polite. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-12-04 23:38:44Huck22 <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 135: </td> <td> Line 135: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + *I encountered a hispanic guy in my apartment complex (December 4, 2011) at around 6:30pm. He claimed to be a senior graduating from Davis Senior High School I was initially thought that his story was true until I went to the Wiki. He claimed he just got accepted into UCLA and helps/works/associated to some organization that helps minorities (can't remember what he said). Let me point out that the UC App is due November 30 each year. There is no way he could have gotten accepted 4 days after the due date. He also gave me this ragged old binder to look at while giving me his speech. I didn't pay much attention to it but he told me to flip to the red page in the back. He told me that the Davis Enterprise will give him some money if he gets 15 people to sign up for a subscription. His speech sounds scripted, obviously not his first time, but polite.<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-10-12 21:11:21OliviaYComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 151: </td> <td> Line 151: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-10-12 21:11:21'' [[nbsp]] A "tall, black guy" came by my building knocking on doors asking for money for school. He stole half of a neighbors pack of cigarettes she keeps on the table after he was turned away. --["Users/OliviaY"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-10-11 20:22:22AW <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 134: </td> <td> Line 134: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ *The hispanic guy was going around my apartment (September 10, 2011) and I opened the door for him. Definitely did not look like he was in high school. But anyways I ended up writing a check out to Chris Johnson... not sure if that's his name or some other person's but hopefully it will come in handy for someone else. I wrote him a check because there was another person the previous school year who was trying to get people to subscribe for Enterprise newspapers in front of Safeway... and I actually got the newspapers. So that guy was legit, but this other person not so much. --["Users/AW"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-10-05 21:15:51ndah100 <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 141: </td> <td> Line 141: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2011-06-01 19:10:45'' [[nbsp]] Half of Davis Wiki users should be on this "con artist" page because half of the Davis Wiki users are made just to talk smack on a business and never be logged on again. LOL --["Users/NikhilDahal"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-06-02 17:44:44'' [[nbsp]] The Davis Enterprise reported on Thursday June 2, 2011 about another door to door fundraiser scam, this time, the scammers are claiming to donate the stuff you give them to the UC Davis Children's Hospital. --["Users/NikhilDahal"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ''2011-06-02 17:44:44'' [[nbsp]] The Davis Enterprise reported on Thursday June 2, 2011 about another door to door fundraiser scam, this time, the scammers are claiming to donate the stuff you give them to the UC Davis Children's Hospital. --["Users/ndah100"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-10-04 17:42:50TomGarbersonRevert to version 461 (Amusing trolling, but liable to massively derail page). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 152: </td> <td> Line 152: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2011-10-04 17:16:50'' [[nbsp]] Oops thought this was the Obama page. --["Users/Theangrydiner"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-10-04 17:16:50TheangrydinerComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 152: </td> <td> Line 152: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-10-04 17:16:50'' [[nbsp]] Oops thought this was the Obama page. --["Users/Theangrydiner"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-10-04 16:30:15CovertProfessorsigning with correct username <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 132: </td> <td> Line 132: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> *Same exact thing happened to me recently, African-American male knocking on door and asking to donate by purchasing Enterprise newspapers for $10-$20 to support his college education at SJSU. He had a beat-up binder with a wrinkled diploma, emails of my "neighbors" that also donated (all were ucdavis.edu emails). He said he was only going to be around this week asking for donations, which is obviously a lie since the first person who reported this was in January 2011. I did not "donate", but he insisted that I just donate a few dollars, etc. Yeah, no thanks, can't fool me. Oct.4, 2011. -- ["<span>cantscamme</span>"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> *Same exact thing happened to me recently, African-American male knocking on door and asking to donate by purchasing Enterprise newspapers for $10-$20 to support his college education at SJSU. He had a beat-up binder with a wrinkled diploma, emails of my "neighbors" that also donated (all were ucdavis.edu emails). He said he was only going to be around this week asking for donations, which is obviously a lie since the first person who reported this was in January 2011. I did not "donate", but he insisted that I just donate a few dollars, etc. Yeah, no thanks, can't fool me. Oct.4, 2011. -- ["<span>Users/lovelovelove3</span>"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-10-04 14:25:20lovelovelove3 <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 132: </td> <td> Line 132: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> *Same exact thing happened to me recently, African-American male knocking on door and asking to donate by purchasing Enterprise newspapers for $10-$20 to support his college education at SJSU. He had a beat-up binder with a wrinkled diploma, emails of my "neighbors" that also donated (all were ucdavis.edu emails). He said he was only going to be around this week asking for donations, which is obviously a lie since the first person who reported this was in January 2011. I did not "donate", but he insisted that I just donate a few dollars, etc. Yeah, no thanks, can't fool me. Oct.4, 2011. -- ["<span>Users/</span>cantscamme"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> *Same exact thing happened to me recently, African-American male knocking on door and asking to donate by purchasing Enterprise newspapers for $10-$20 to support his college education at SJSU. He had a beat-up binder with a wrinkled diploma, emails of my "neighbors" that also donated (all were ucdavis.edu emails). He said he was only going to be around this week asking for donations, which is obviously a lie since the first person who reported this was in January 2011. I did not "donate", but he insisted that I just donate a few dollars, etc. Yeah, no thanks, can't fool me. Oct.4, 2011. -- ["cantscamme"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-10-04 14:22:30lovelovelove3 <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 132: </td> <td> Line 132: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ *Same exact thing happened to me recently, African-American male knocking on door and asking to donate by purchasing Enterprise newspapers for $10-$20 to support his college education at SJSU. He had a beat-up binder with a wrinkled diploma, emails of my "neighbors" that also donated (all were ucdavis.edu emails). He said he was only going to be around this week asking for donations, which is obviously a lie since the first person who reported this was in January 2011. I did not "donate", but he insisted that I just donate a few dollars, etc. Yeah, no thanks, can't fool me. Oct.4, 2011. -- ["Users/cantscamme"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-08-14 22:20:34hankimComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 148: </td> <td> Line 148: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-08-14 22:20:34'' [[nbsp]] There were people in front of ["Trader Joe's"] selling candy. I've seen them do the same thing at ["Safeway"]. Legit fundraiser or con? --["Users/hankim"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-08-14 22:19:00hankim <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 103: </td> <td> Line 103: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * ["Activities and Recreation Center"] -why<span>?</span><br> <span>-</span> * ["ASUCD"] -<span>?</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> * ["Activities and Recreation Center"] -<span>&nbsp;Forces every student to pay </span>wh<span>at is a high price for a g</span>y<span>m membership.</span><br> <span>+</span> * ["ASUCD"] -<span>&nbsp;Takes students' money and wastes it.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-08-14 21:46:31MichelleAccurso(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p>No differences found!</div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-08-14 21:46:28MichelleAccurso(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> A<span>&nbsp;man</span> nicely dressed, polite African-American man in his twenties or thirties approaches people telling a story of how he came to Davis for a workshop but got stranded here when his car broke down. He supposedly needs just a few dollars to make enough money to buy a train ticket back to Oakland. He flashes a driver's license to prove he's from Oakland, making the story sound legitimate. He's been seen on ["E Street"] on the sidewalk by the ["Orange Court"]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> A nicely dressed, polite African-American man in his twenties or thirties approaches people telling a story of how he came to Davis for a workshop but got stranded here when his car broke down. He supposedly needs just a few dollars to make enough money to buy a train ticket back to Oakland. He flashes a driver's license to prove he's from Oakland, making the story sound legitimate. He's been seen on ["E Street"] on the sidewalk by the ["Orange Court"]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-08-04 12:45:14shrakenComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 146: </td> <td> Line 146: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-08-04 12:45:14'' [[nbsp]] Two guys pulled up trying to sell me speakers at the Wells today, obvious scam. The Wells Fargo staff was pretty courteous but have to agree -- rather hard to catch these criminals. They skirt the law and are scum. --["Users/shraken"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-07-31 09:40:38ElizabethForrestLambert <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 144: </td> <td> Line 144: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-07-31 9:40:38'' [[nbsp]] Look out for a young girl (about 8-years-old) who is being sent by her lurking mother to ask for money. My family was approached by her yesterday in the University Mall area. --["Users/elizabethforrestlambert"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-07-27 10:59:49rachand1Adding comment re: San Jose State scam. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 125: </td> <td> Line 125: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * I've seen both! What's even worse is that I've given money to both! The Black guy came first. He was really nice and chatty, showing me the binder and the San Jose certificate. So I gave him 20 bucks. Several months later another guy (Hispanic) came around with the same story. Because I'm an idiot I thought it was some real program, I donated. After I gave the second time, something felt really fishy. He asked me to respond to an email that would come to me. I had to click to link so he would get his "point" for money for school. I asked him how he was sure I was going to get the email. He laughed and said with a smile "Oh you will. Don't worry". No email, but then again, I kind of knew it would't after he said that. </td> <td> <span>+ </span> * I've seen both! What's even worse is that I've given money to both! The Black guy came first. He was really nice and chatty, showing me the binder and the San Jose certificate. So I gave him 20 bucks. Several months later another guy (Hispanic) came around with the same story. Because I'm an idiot I thought it was some real program, I donated. After I gave the second time, something felt really fishy. He asked me to respond to an email that would come to me. I had to click to link so he would get his "point" for money for school. I asked him how he was sure I was going to get the email. He laughed and said with a smile "Oh you will. Don't worry". No email, but then again, I kind of knew it would't after he said that. </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 129: </td> <td> Line 129: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + * This has happened to me twice already, two different guys. Once was a few months ago, my husband answered the door. Second time was just this past Monday afternoon. The guy showed me a "certificate of admission" that was so worn and beat up I had a hard time reading it. He said the Davis Enterprise was nice enough to sponsor this program to help him pay for college. Then he kept telling me "look at all of your neighbors that have given a donation" and showing me a list of five or so emails from my "neighbors". When I told him that I, too, was a poor student, he insisted "just $5" maybe 5 or 6 times! This guy became desperate and annoying very quickly, it actually made me a bit nervous. --["Users/rachand1"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-07-08 23:13:54MasonMurray <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 94: </td> <td> Line 94: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * You would think, but it's not fool proof. A friend of mine is a manager at a local fast food restaraunt and there is often a homeless person out front with a cup for change. According to this friend he will accept food, then promptly throw it away. -- ["Users/masonmurray" MM]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-07-08 01:18:00FlynnAdded health inspector scam warning. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 2: </td> <td> Line 2: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ||&lt;#eeeeee :&gt;'''The Davis Enterprise reported on Thursday June 2, 2011 about another door to door fundraiser scam, this time, the scammers are claiming to donate the stuff you give them to the UC Davis Children's Hospital.'''||</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ||&lt;#eeeeee :&gt;'''The Enterprise reported on July 7th about fake health inspectors operating in the area.'''||</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 10: </td> <td> Line 10: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + ==Fake Health Inspectors==<br> + <br> + On July 7th, the Davis Enterprise published a [http://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/yolo-county/food-workers-warned-of-fraudulent-inspector/ story] warning of fraudulent health inspectors operating in the area. The individual will call the business, claiming that there is an inspection scheduled the next day. Be aware that legitimate health inspecters will usually NOT announce an impending visit, nor will they collect money, or try to sell you anything. Yolo County Environmental Health may be contacted with any questions or to report suspicious activity at (530) 666-8646</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-06-26 12:38:41dedelsteinComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 134: </td> <td> Line 134: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-06-26 12:38:41'' [[nbsp]] The guy described by AnthonyL on 2011-01-12 was also making the rounds at Solano Park Apartments a few months ago. --["Users/dedelstein"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-06-25 16:48:42Runnitarian(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 118: </td> <td> Line 118: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * This guy just came to my apartment doing the exact same thing. I've turned people with the magazine-subscr<span>o</span>ption type deal away before but I thought this guy was legit and felt like doing a nice thing. DO NOT BE FOOLED BY THIS KID. --Runnitarian </td> <td> <span>+</span> * This guy just came to my apartment doing the exact same thing. I've turned people with the magazine-subscr<span>i</span>ption type deal away before but I thought this guy was legit and felt like doing a nice thing. DO NOT BE FOOLED BY THIS KID. --Runnitarian </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-06-25 16:47:41Runnitarian(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 118: </td> <td> Line 118: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * This guy just came to my apartment doing the exact same thing. I've turned people with the magazine-subscroption type deal away before but I thought this guy was legit and felt like doing a nice thing. DO NOT BE FOOLED BY THIS KID. </td> <td> <span>+</span> * This guy just came to my apartment doing the exact same thing. I've turned people with the magazine-subscroption type deal away before but I thought this guy was legit and felt like doing a nice thing. DO NOT BE FOOLED BY THIS KID.<span>&nbsp;--Runnitarian<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-06-25 16:47:08Runnitarian(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 117: </td> <td> Line 117: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + * This guy just came to my apartment doing the exact same thing. I've turned people with the magazine-subscroption type deal away before but I thought this guy was legit and felt like doing a nice thing. DO NOT BE FOOLED BY THIS KID.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-06-19 09:57:15BrandonLoudermilk <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 77: </td> <td> Line 77: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * The scam I was subjected to, is that the box and website show an MSRP for something like $2,500 USD, and here you have two guys offering to let go of them for say $500 bucks. So even if you argue them down to $200 you think you are getting some incredible deal, but it turns out the speakers are worth about $50, and they possibly might not even work. I believe that this is an actual marketing campaign, but just a couple of dudes, but an entire army across the US, that work for this company. They probably buy the systems cheap, and then market them off in this manner. Pure speculation on my part, BTW.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-06-14 09:40:14WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 75: </td> <td> Line 75: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * I think they sell you crap speakers that are broken or very low quality for the price of new/good quality. --["Users/jsbmeb"] </td> <td> <span>+ </span> * I think they sell you crap speakers that are broken or very low quality for the price of new/good quality. --["Users/jsbmeb"]<span><br> + * Well, that's how the scam usually works. These people are claiming the speakers are free. That's a new wrinkle. I wonder how they get your money in this iteration of the scam. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-06-14 07:53:39jsbmeb <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 75: </td> <td> Line 75: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I think they sell you crap speakers that are broken or very low quality for the price of new/good quality. --["Users/jsbmeb"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-06-13 17:38:17TheShah(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 74: </td> <td> Line 74: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I don't get it. What's the scam? They offer you free speakers, then you take them...and then what? Or do they expect you to go over to their house to pick them up, and then kidnap you or something? --["Users/TheShah"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-06-04 02:44:11AlvinTsao <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 67: </td> <td> Line 67: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ Thanks Davis Wiki! Got approached by these two guys today (they approached me near Bank of America as I was getting into my car and they were on the street (with cars behind them). I guess they thought I was a great target as I was wearing a t-shirt with a bunch of boomboxes on it. Unbeknownst to them, I already read about their little game. -- --["Users/AlvinTsao"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-06-03 00:13:54hankim(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 45: </td> <td> Line 45: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Same. They were always college-aged kids who wanted to sell me crap so they can win some dumb trip or something. Didn't buy anything from them because they sort of gave off this spoiled brat attitude. Wouldn't be surprised if they were conning people. Guess I'm only buying Girl Scout cookies now. --["Users/hankim"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-06-02 21:18:58MasonMurray(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 44: </td> <td> Line 44: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * Anually (the last three years running) people have come to my door "selling magazines" to raise money for something or other. This last year, my roomate purchased two one year subscriptions that were supposed to come with bonus prizes, and totaled about $150. Nothing has ever shown up. --["users/masonmurray" MM] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * A<span>n</span>nually (the last three years running) people have come to my door "selling magazines" to raise money for something or other. This last year, my roomate purchased two one year subscriptions that were supposed to come with bonus prizes, and totaled about $150. Nothing has ever shown up. --["users/masonmurray" MM] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-06-02 21:18:42MasonMurray(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 43: </td> <td> Line 43: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + * Anually (the last three years running) people have come to my door "selling magazines" to raise money for something or other. This last year, my roomate purchased two one year subscriptions that were supposed to come with bonus prizes, and totaled about $150. Nothing has ever shown up. --["users/masonmurray" MM]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-06-02 18:14:23JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ||&lt;#ffaa00 tableborder="1" tablewidth="100%" :&gt;'''''Current Threat Level: ["orange trees" Orange]'''''<span>[[br]]</span>'''The Davis Enterprise reported on Thursday June 2, 2011 about another door to door fundraiser scam, this time, the scammers are claiming to donate the stuff you give them to the UC Davis Children's Hospital.'''|| </td> <td> <span>+</span> ||&lt;#ffaa00 tableborder="1" tablewidth="100%" :&gt;'''''Current Threat Level: ["orange trees" Orange]'''''<span>||<br> + ||&lt;#eeeeee :&gt;</span>'''The Davis Enterprise reported on Thursday June 2, 2011 about another door to door fundraiser scam, this time, the scammers are claiming to donate the stuff you give them to the UC Davis Children's Hospital.'''|| </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-06-02 18:13:53JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - 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LOL --["Users/NikhilDahal"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-05-31 23:40:58JimL <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 30: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + Sometime in 05/2011 - Looks like the guy is back. Approached me in front of the Art Building on campus a few weeks ago. - ["users/jiml"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-05-31 22:13:05BrandonLoudermilk <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 62: </td> <td> Line 62: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ *Didn't white out the license plate, but was actually trying to photograph it. I was just a bit nervous I guess, thus the crappy image. The "talker" had short light blondish hair, light complexion. The guy in the passenger seat, was pale had some facial piercings, and didn't talk very much. ["previous poster"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-05-31 11:59:05Aaron.Curtin(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 102: </td> <td> Line 102: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + * Me too. One came to my house and another stopped me at Nugget. I gave the 1st one money. They were selling Davis Enterprise subscriptions which never showed up. when I call the Enterprise, they never heard of this and I then knew I'd been scammed. I demanded my money back from the one in front of Nugget, but he took off running. --["Users/Aaron.Curtin"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-05-31 10:17:27TomGarberson+fake fundraiser con <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 30: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + =Fake Fundraiser Con=<br> + We've all experienced those door-to-door fundraisers. Elementary school kids sell candy, wrapping paper, or magazine subscriptions. Shadier, pushier teens and adults sell candy bars for $5 apiece to supposedly raise money for leadership training, summer camp, and what have you. Not surprisingly, these aren't always legitimate. While you shouldn't necessarily call the cops on your neighbor's 4th grader, exercise caution. If you're suspicious, it's probably for good reason.<br> + <br> + As of May 2011 "students" going door-to-door are asking for money for music programs. An [http://www-new.davisenterprise.com/local-news/crime-fire-courts/ucd-warns-of-fundraising-scam/ article] in ["The Enterprise"] reports that UC Davis and Sacramento State are warning people that no university-affiliated music program is doing anything of the sort. Chances are the con artists will be happy to switch their story up, so just because they're not claiming to be collecting for a music program doesn't mean you should let your guard down.<br> + <br> + If you get a visit from these characters, contact the ["Davis Police Department"]. If you want to verify the legitimacy of fundraisers who come by, call the University Development Office at (530) 754-4438, or look up the phone number for whatever other organization they claim to represent. If you're suspicious but want to donate to the organization, contact the organization on your own and arrange to make a donation without going through a shady intermediary.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-05-30 16:22:16CovertProfessormoving Daubert's comment so it can be seen <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 53: </td> <td> Line 53: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * Update May 30, 2011. Two guys in their 20s talked to me from their car on Russel. Pulled over, saw the speakers, they opened the box for me, followed me downtown to WellsFargo, where I withdrew $200. Took one last look at speakers, and typed brand and model number into my iPhone. Google pulls up pages of fraud alerts. Told the guys no deal, and took a photo of their vehicle as they left. </td> <td> <span>+ </span> * Update May 30, 2011. Two guys in their 20s talked to me from their car on Russel. Pulled over, saw the speakers, they opened the box for me, followed me downtown to WellsFargo, where I withdrew $200. Took one last look at speakers, and typed brand and model number into my iPhone. Google pulls up pages of fraud alerts. Told the guys no deal, and took a photo of their vehicle as they left.<span><br> + * Looks like you whited out the plate. The speaker scam is an oldie but a goodie. Report it... especially since you can connect a vehicle ["Daubert"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 55: </td> <td> Line 56: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- Looks like you whited out the plate. The speaker scam is an oldie but a goodie. Report it... especially since you can connect a vehicle ["Daubert"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-05-30 14:20:01StevenDaubertresponse to speaker scam <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 55: </td> <td> Line 55: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ Looks like you whited out the plate. The speaker scam is an oldie but a goodie. Report it... especially since you can connect a vehicle ["Daubert"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-05-30 12:09:13BrandonLoudermilk <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 53: </td> <td> Line 53: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Update May 30, 2011. Two guys in their 20s talked to me from their car on Russel. Pulled over, saw the speakers, they opened the box for me, followed me downtown to WellsFargo, where I withdrew $200. Took one last look at speakers, and typed brand and model number into my iPhone. Google pulls up pages of fraud alerts. Told the guys no deal, and took a photo of their vehicle as they left.<br> + [http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o92/rankferal/photo.jpg] &lt;- Here's the photo<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-02-26 23:35:08ScottMeehleibComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 94: </td> <td> Line 94: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-02-26 22:35:08'' [[nbsp]] Capitalism is a con job. But it works. Most people are sheep ripe for the purchasing. Don't think you are special unless you've actually done a lick of good in this world, which is very rare. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-02-26 18:49:30farfelu5251 <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 88: </td> <td> Line 88: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I've seen both! What's even worse is that I've given money to both! The Black guy came first. He was really nice and chatty, showing me the binder and the San Jose certificate. So I gave him 20 bucks. Several months later another guy (Hispanic) came around with the same story. Because I'm an idiot I thought it was some real program, I donated. After I gave the second time, something felt really fishy. He asked me to respond to an email that would come to me. I had to click to link so he would get his "point" for money for school. I asked him how he was sure I was going to get the email. He laughed and said with a smile "Oh you will. Don't worry". No email, but then again, I kind of knew it would't after he said that.<br> + Total scam. Also, colleges don't give out the "fancy" entrance diploma/entrance letter. You get the diploma AFTER you go to school and spend thousands of dollars. --["Users/farfelu5251"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-02-01 01:34:39ClarenceLformatting, removed link back to same page. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 89: </td> <td> Line 89: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2011-02-01 00:29:25'' [[nbsp]] <span>http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists<br> - <br> - </span>On Monday, Jan. 31, 2011, around 10:15 p.m., two white males in their early to mid 20s with short hair were asking for gas money from customers pumping fuel at the Chevron station at 1601 Research Park Drive (next to KFC, south of the I-80 Richards Ave. exit). They looked quite a bit like another pair of guys doing the same thing a couple weeks prior, at the same station. It was funny that they solicited everyone but me this night, perhaps that they recognized the guy who offered them $5 last time. They were driving a newish white Dodge Charger with license plate 6CLC671. One was wearing red basketball shorts and a white T-shirt. Another customer said that they tried to sell a gift card to him. One even tried to sound desperate and ask for someone's floor change. </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2011-02-01 00:29:25'' [[nbsp]] On Monday, Jan. 31, 2011, around 10:15 p.m., two white males in their early to mid 20s with short hair were asking for gas money from customers pumping fuel at the Chevron station at 1601 Research Park Drive (next to KFC, south of the I-80 Richards Ave. exit). They looked quite a bit like another pair of guys doing the same thing a couple weeks prior, at the same station. It was funny that they solicited everyone but me this night, perhaps that they recognized the guy who offered them $5 last time. They were driving a newish white Dodge Charger with license plate 6CLC671. One was wearing red basketball shorts and a white T-shirt. Another customer said that they tried to sell a gift card to him. One even tried to sound desperate and ask for someone's floor change. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-02-01 01:33:47ClarenceL(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 93: </td> <td> Line 93: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> I hope that my suspicions are proven unfounded. </td> <td> <span>+</span> I hope that my suspicions are proven unfounded.<span>&nbsp;--["Users/farrierson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-02-01 01:33:02ClarenceL(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 87: </td> <td> Line 87: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I think I saw a African American guy go around door to door doing the same thing trying to sell newspaper or something, I wasn't sure if it was a scam or not. So I turned him away, especially since he had no catalog or anything, not even a sample paper. --["Users/ClarenceL"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-02-01 01:30:16farrierson <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 92: </td> <td> Line 92: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- I hope that my suspicions are proven unfounded.http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists<br> - <br> - On Monday, Jan. 31, 2011, around 10:15 p.m., two white males in their early to mid 20s with short hair were asking for gas money from customers pumping fuel at the Chevron station at 1601 Research Park Drive (next to KFC, south of the I-80 Richards Ave. exit). They looked quite a bit like another pair of guys doing the same thing a couple weeks prior, at the same station. It was funny that they solicited everyone but me this night, perhaps that they recognized the guy who offered them $5 last time. They were driving a newish white Dodge Charger with license plate 6CLC671. One was wearing red basketball shorts and a white T-shirt. Another customer said that they tried to sell a gift card to him. One even tried to sound desperate and ask for someone's floor change.<br> - <br> - I hope that my suspicions are proven unfounded. --["Users/farrierson"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ I hope that my suspicions are proven unfounded.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-02-01 01:29:25farriersonComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 87: </td> <td> Line 87: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-02-01 00:29:25'' [[nbsp]] http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists<br> + <br> + On Monday, Jan. 31, 2011, around 10:15 p.m., two white males in their early to mid 20s with short hair were asking for gas money from customers pumping fuel at the Chevron station at 1601 Research Park Drive (next to KFC, south of the I-80 Richards Ave. exit). They looked quite a bit like another pair of guys doing the same thing a couple weeks prior, at the same station. It was funny that they solicited everyone but me this night, perhaps that they recognized the guy who offered them $5 last time. They were driving a newish white Dodge Charger with license plate 6CLC671. One was wearing red basketball shorts and a white T-shirt. Another customer said that they tried to sell a gift card to him. One even tried to sound desperate and ask for someone's floor change.<br> + <br> + I hope that my suspicions are proven unfounded.http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists<br> + <br> + On Monday, Jan. 31, 2011, around 10:15 p.m., two white males in their early to mid 20s with short hair were asking for gas money from customers pumping fuel at the Chevron station at 1601 Research Park Drive (next to KFC, south of the I-80 Richards Ave. exit). They looked quite a bit like another pair of guys doing the same thing a couple weeks prior, at the same station. It was funny that they solicited everyone but me this night, perhaps that they recognized the guy who offered them $5 last time. They were driving a newish white Dodge Charger with license plate 6CLC671. One was wearing red basketball shorts and a white T-shirt. Another customer said that they tried to sell a gift card to him. One even tried to sound desperate and ask for someone's floor change.<br> + <br> + I hope that my suspicions are proven unfounded. --["Users/farrierson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2011-01-12 21:06:43AnthonyLComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 85: </td> <td> Line 85: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-01-12 20:06:43'' [[nbsp]] Guy going around saying he is a senior at Davis Senior High, trying to collect donations to help him go to San Jose State. He looks like he's in his early 20's shows a binder with a beat up looking "certificate of admission" to SJ State and some slips from my "neighbors" with emails and donations listed. Same thing happened a year ago at my old apartment some guy saying he got into SJ State. Just had another guy knock on my door while writing this doing the same thing, they definitely don't look like high school students. Anyone else seen these guys? Seems suspicious to me. --["Users/AnthonyL"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-10-16 17:49:12SteveDavisonalphabetical order <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 2: </td> <td> Line 2: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 32: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 70: </td> <td> Line 67: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- = Other Cons =</span> </td> <td> <span>+ = Other Cons, Ripoffs, and ["shadiness factor" Shadiness] =</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 72: </td> <td> Line 69: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''Somewhat tongue in cheek here...''<br> -</span> * ["Activities and Recreation Center"]<br> - * ["Club Finance Council"]<span><br> </span>-<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;* ["ASUCD"]<br> - * ["Cit</span>y<span>&nbsp;Politics"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> * ["Activities and Recreation Center"]<span>&nbsp;-why?</span><br> <span>+ * ["ASUCD"] </span>-<span>?<br> + * ["City Politics"] -?<br> +</span> * ["Club Finance Council"]<span>&nbsp;</span>-<span>wh</span>y<span>?</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 78: </td> <td> Line 74: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * ["UCD"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * ["Sequoia Equities"] -why?</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 80: </td> <td> Line 76: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * ["Sequoia Equities"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 84: </td> <td> Line 80: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-09-19 14:29:37ABello <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 80: </td> <td> Line 80: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ * ["Sequoia Equities"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-08-03 12:56:09TomGarbersonRevert to version 413 (Erring on the side of caution during discussion.). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 90: </td> <td> Line 90: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-07-19 20:13:35'' [[nbsp]] Saw this: [[Image(Frank-Ata-Baah.JPG, thumbnail)]] in the South Silo walkway. Not sure if this matches any other reports or if it is valid. --["Users/JasonAller"]<br> - * [http://dateline.ucdavis.edu/dl_detail.lasso?id=12547 He works for UCD], as Sijibomi mentions below. For my money, Frank's on the level. Sometimes I hate people. --["Users/BrettHall"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-07-19 20:40:23'' [[nbsp]] I don't know if Frank is a con-artist or not. He is a regular at Little Prague and has never asked anyone there for anything to my knowledge. Will keep an eye out though... --["Users/WesOne"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-08-02 17:30:57'' [[nbsp]] Ata Baah is not a scam artist/criminal.He is being slandered by his old friend's wife,Maria who has a criminal record at Davis Police Dept.This nothing but a stupid attempt to slander his good name, his image and his hard work at UC Davis.The picture used is from the Department of Theater and Performing arts and someone or a group of people from the department are responsible for this atrocity.whoever put this image up on the internet will be held legal responsible and sued for this act.This is unacceptable behavior. --["Users/Sijibomi"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-08-02 19:52:20'' [[nbsp]] Have since spoken to several people about Mr. Ata-baah and have determined for myself that the "scam" claim is indeed false. It is a small group of people associated with his ex who is now either married or a live-in girlfriend of a former friend of his. This woman does have a fairly extensive criminal record (fraud, felony evasion, obstruction of justice, bribing a policeman and several drug charges).It seems to be a hatchet job on her part and perhaps the help of friends to spread these falsehoods about Mr. Ata-Baah. --["Users/WesOne"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-08-02 23:33:45'' [[nbsp]] @WesOnne and JasonAller....so how do we go about removing Frank Ata-Baah's picture from this scam/con artist list.Evidence shows that he is not a "scammer" at all.Whoever this person or people who posted this picture and this info of Ata-Baah is going to be sued for slander of his image and reputation. --["Users/Sijibomi"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-08-02 23:40:48'' [[nbsp]] @WesOnne and JasonAller....so how do we go about removing Frank Ata-Baah's picture from this scam/con artist list.Evidence shows that he is not a "scammer" at all.Whoever this person or people who posted this picture and this info of Ata-Baah is going to be sued for slander of his image and reputation. --["Users/Sijibomi"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-08-03 10:14:27JabberWokkyRevert to version 412 (Not yet there isn't. Not saying it shouldn't go by this edit.). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 90: </td> <td> Line 90: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-07-19 20:13:35'' [[nbsp]] Saw this: [[Image(Frank-Ata-Baah.JPG, thumbnail)]] in the South Silo walkway. Not sure if this matches any other reports or if it is valid. --["Users/JasonAller"]<br> + * [http://dateline.ucdavis.edu/dl_detail.lasso?id=12547 He works for UCD], as Sijibomi mentions below. For my money, Frank's on the level. Sometimes I hate people. --["Users/BrettHall"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2010-07-19 20:40:23'' [[nbsp]] I don't know if Frank is a con-artist or not. He is a regular at Little Prague and has never asked anyone there for anything to my knowledge. Will keep an eye out though... --["Users/WesOne"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2010-08-02 17:30:57'' [[nbsp]] Ata Baah is not a scam artist/criminal.He is being slandered by his old friend's wife,Maria who has a criminal record at Davis Police Dept.This nothing but a stupid attempt to slander his good name, his image and his hard work at UC Davis.The picture used is from the Department of Theater and Performing arts and someone or a group of people from the department are responsible for this atrocity.whoever put this image up on the internet will be held legal responsible and sued for this act.This is unacceptable behavior. --["Users/Sijibomi"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2010-08-02 19:52:20'' [[nbsp]] Have since spoken to several people about Mr. Ata-baah and have determined for myself that the "scam" claim is indeed false. It is a small group of people associated with his ex who is now either married or a live-in girlfriend of a former friend of his. This woman does have a fairly extensive criminal record (fraud, felony evasion, obstruction of justice, bribing a policeman and several drug charges).It seems to be a hatchet job on her part and perhaps the help of friends to spread these falsehoods about Mr. Ata-Baah. --["Users/WesOne"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2010-08-02 23:33:45'' [[nbsp]] @WesOnne and JasonAller....so how do we go about removing Frank Ata-Baah's picture from this scam/con artist list.Evidence shows that he is not a "scammer" at all.Whoever this person or people who posted this picture and this info of Ata-Baah is going to be sued for slander of his image and reputation. --["Users/Sijibomi"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2010-08-02 23:40:48'' [[nbsp]] @WesOnne and JasonAller....so how do we go about removing Frank Ata-Baah's picture from this scam/con artist list.Evidence shows that he is not a "scammer" at all.Whoever this person or people who posted this picture and this info of Ata-Baah is going to be sued for slander of his image and reputation. --["Users/Sijibomi"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-08-02 23:51:06PhilipNeustromImage <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&do=view&target=Frank-Ata-Baah.JPG">Frank-Ata-Baah.JPG</a> deleted.Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-08-02 23:50:32PhilipNeustromremoved posting, consensus is it should go <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 90: </td> <td> Line 90: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-07-19 20:13:35'' [[nbsp]] Saw this: [[Image(Frank-Ata-Baah.JPG, thumbnail)]] in the South Silo walkway. Not sure if this matches any other reports or if it is valid. --["Users/JasonAller"]<br> - * [http://dateline.ucdavis.edu/dl_detail.lasso?id=12547 He works for UCD], as Sijibomi mentions below. For my money, Frank's on the level. Sometimes I hate people. --["Users/BrettHall"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-07-19 20:40:23'' [[nbsp]] I don't know if Frank is a con-artist or not. He is a regular at Little Prague and has never asked anyone there for anything to my knowledge. Will keep an eye out though... --["Users/WesOne"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-08-02 17:30:57'' [[nbsp]] Ata Baah is not a scam artist/criminal.He is being slandered by his old friend's wife,Maria who has a criminal record at Davis Police Dept.This nothing but a stupid attempt to slander his good name, his image and his hard work at UC Davis.The picture used is from the Department of Theater and Performing arts and someone or a group of people from the department are responsible for this atrocity.whoever put this image up on the internet will be held legal responsible and sued for this act.This is unacceptable behavior. --["Users/Sijibomi"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-08-02 19:52:20'' [[nbsp]] Have since spoken to several people about Mr. Ata-baah and have determined for myself that the "scam" claim is indeed false. It is a small group of people associated with his ex who is now either married or a live-in girlfriend of a former friend of his. This woman does have a fairly extensive criminal record (fraud, felony evasion, obstruction of justice, bribing a policeman and several drug charges).It seems to be a hatchet job on her part and perhaps the help of friends to spread these falsehoods about Mr. Ata-Baah. --["Users/WesOne"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-08-02 23:33:45'' [[nbsp]] @WesOnne and JasonAller....so how do we go about removing Frank Ata-Baah's picture from this scam/con artist list.Evidence shows that he is not a "scammer" at all.Whoever this person or people who posted this picture and this info of Ata-Baah is going to be sued for slander of his image and reputation. --["Users/Sijibomi"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-08-02 23:40:48'' [[nbsp]] @WesOnne and JasonAller....so how do we go about removing Frank Ata-Baah's picture from this scam/con artist list.Evidence shows that he is not a "scammer" at all.Whoever this person or people who posted this picture and this info of Ata-Baah is going to be sued for slander of his image and reputation. --["Users/Sijibomi"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-08-02 23:40:48SijibomiComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 101: </td> <td> Line 101: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-08-02 23:40:48'' [[nbsp]] @WesOnne and JasonAller....so how do we go about removing Frank Ata-Baah's picture from this scam/con artist list.Evidence shows that he is not a "scammer" at all.Whoever this person or people who posted this picture and this info of Ata-Baah is going to be sued for slander of his image and reputation. --["Users/Sijibomi"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-08-02 23:33:45SijibomiComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 99: </td> <td> Line 99: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-08-02 23:33:45'' [[nbsp]] @WesOnne and JasonAller....so how do we go about removing Frank Ata-Baah's picture from this scam/con artist list.Evidence shows that he is not a "scammer" at all.Whoever this person or people who posted this picture and this info of Ata-Baah is going to be sued for slander of his image and reputation. --["Users/Sijibomi"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-08-02 19:52:20WesOneComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 97: </td> <td> Line 97: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-08-02 19:52:20'' [[nbsp]] Have since spoken to several people about Mr. Ata-baah and have determined for myself that the "scam" claim is indeed false. It is a small group of people associated with his ex who is now either married or a live-in girlfriend of a former friend of his. This woman does have a fairly extensive criminal record (fraud, felony evasion, obstruction of justice, bribing a policeman and several drug charges).It seems to be a hatchet job on her part and perhaps the help of friends to spread these falsehoods about Mr. Ata-Baah. --["Users/WesOne"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-08-02 19:47:16WesOneDeleted double post. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 97: </td> <td> Line 97: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-08-02 18:31:52'' [[nbsp]] Ata Baah is not a scam artist/criminal.He is being slandered by his old friend's wife,Maria who has a criminal record at Davis Police Dept.This nothing but a stupid attempt to slander his good name, his image and his hard work at UC Davis.The picture used is from the Department of Theater and Performing arts and someone or a group of people from the department are responsible for this atrocity.whoever put this image up on the internet will be held legal responsible and sued for this act.This is unacceptable behavior. --["Users/Sijibomi"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-08-02 18:31:52SijibomiComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 97: </td> <td> Line 97: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-08-02 18:31:52'' [[nbsp]] Ata Baah is not a scam artist/criminal.He is being slandered by his old friend's wife,Maria who has a criminal record at Davis Police Dept.This nothing but a stupid attempt to slander his good name, his image and his hard work at UC Davis.The picture used is from the Department of Theater and Performing arts and someone or a group of people from the department are responsible for this atrocity.whoever put this image up on the internet will be held legal responsible and sued for this act.This is unacceptable behavior. --["Users/Sijibomi"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-08-02 17:46:00BrettHall(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 92: </td> <td> Line 92: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * <span>[</span>[http://dateline.ucdavis.edu/dl_detail.lasso?id=12547 He works for UCD<span>]</span>], as Sijibomi mentions below. For my money, Frank's on the level. Sometimes I hate people. --["Users/BrettHall"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * [http://dateline.ucdavis.edu/dl_detail.lasso?id=12547 He works for UCD], as Sijibomi mentions below. For my money, Frank's on the level. Sometimes I hate people. --["Users/BrettHall"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-08-02 17:45:21BrettHallSijibomi's comment confirmed, unless someone has experiences to the contrary <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 92: </td> <td> Line 92: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * [[http://dateline.ucdavis.edu/dl_detail.lasso?id=12547 He works for UCD]], as Sijibomi mentions below. For my money, Frank's on the level. Sometimes I hate people. --["Users/BrettHall"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-08-02 17:30:57SijibomiComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 94: </td> <td> Line 94: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-08-02 17:30:57'' [[nbsp]] Ata Baah is not a scam artist/criminal.He is being slandered by his old friend's wife,Maria who has a criminal record at Davis Police Dept.This nothing but a stupid attempt to slander his good name, his image and his hard work at UC Davis.The picture used is from the Department of Theater and Performing arts and someone or a group of people from the department are responsible for this atrocity.whoever put this image up on the internet will be held legal responsible and sued for this act.This is unacceptable behavior. --["Users/Sijibomi"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-07-19 23:29:24jefftolentinosounded like a possible scam <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 56: </td> <td> Line 56: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ =Sale of Stolen Bikes=<br> + With the abundance of ["bikes"] in the City of Davis, bike theft is an unfortunately common occurrence in town. Occasionally, stolen bikes may turn up for sale on sites like [http://sacramento.craigslist.org/ Craigslist]. A particular case was documented on the [http://daviswiki.org/Bike_Recovery_System#biketheft Bike Recovery System page].<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-07-19 20:40:23WesOneComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 89: </td> <td> Line 89: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-07-19 20:40:23'' [[nbsp]] I don't know if Frank is a con-artist or not. He is a regular at Little Prague and has never asked anyone there for anything to my knowledge. Will keep an eye out though... --["Users/WesOne"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-07-19 20:14:34JasonAllerNot an awesome photo <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 87: </td> <td> Line 87: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-07-19 20:13:35'' [[nbsp]] Saw this: [[Image(Frank-Ata-Baah.JPG, thumbnail)]] in the South Silo walkway. Not sure if this matches any other reports or if it is valid. --["Users/JasonAller"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-07-19 20:13:25JasonAllerUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&do=view&target=Frank-Ata-Baah.JPG">Frank-Ata-Baah.JPG</a>.Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-07-13 19:43:52CarmenC <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 30: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + Encountered him today (July 12, 2010) by Orange Hut downtown around 6:30ish. I almost believed him, too.<br> + <br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-10 13:34:43WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 72: </td> <td> Line 72: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * UC Davis Textbook Buyback -- You are lucky if you get ten percent of what you paid for a book. </td> <td> <span>+</span> * UC Davis <span>["</span>Textbook Buyback<span>"]</span> -- You are lucky if you get ten percent of what you paid for a book. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-10 12:24:44hankimJust sold books I really did not need back for like ten percent of what I paid. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 72: </td> <td> Line 72: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * UC Davis Textbook Buyback -- You are lucky if you get ten percent of what you paid for a book.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-09 18:45:05LeeAnn <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ 6/9/10 Train guy won again I saw a man give him $5 around 6:30 on 2nd st makes me wonder why do I work so hard when I could just walk around and lie to people.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-08 16:35:13hankim(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 81: </td> <td> Line 81: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I think I bumped into him around the same time. I know for sure it was a Friday night. --["Users/hankim"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-08 16:23:24AdamVComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 79: </td> <td> Line 79: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-06-08 16:23:24'' [[nbsp]] About two weeks before Memorial Day, I got hit up by a short, light-skinned Hispanic guy claiming to be on leave from the Army and trying to buy a train ticket home to visit his family. He seemed pretty legit, but you never know. Anyone else bump into him? --["Users/AdamV"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-04 08:28:41TomGarbersonLinked Crying Girl header to new page <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> === "Crying Girl with a Train Schedule<span>"</span> === </td> <td> <span>+</span> === <span>[</span>"<span>Crying Girl Con Artist" </span>Crying Girl with a Train Schedule<span>]</span> === </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-04 00:12:10JamesMaddenpunctuation <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 20: </td> <td> Line 20: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Due to the large volume of postings related to Crying Girl, information about this scam has been move to its own page at ["Crying Girl Con Artist"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> Due to the large volume of postings related to Crying Girl, information about this scam has been move to its own page at ["Crying Girl Con Artist"]<span>.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-04 00:06:12JamesMaddenlooks so much cleaner now <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 16: </td> <td> Line 16: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ==Local Example:<span>&nbsp;</span>Crying Girl with a Train Schedule==<br> <span>-</span> [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail<span>, right</span>, 300, "The “Crying Girl" (aka: '''Jill Johnson''') as confirmed below by various users.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;If you've been scammed by her too, let us know.</span>")]] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ==Local Example<span>s</span>:<span>==<br> + === "</span>Crying Girl with a Train Schedule<span>" =</span>==<br> <span>+</span> [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, 300, "The “Crying Girl" (aka: '''Jill Johnson''') as confirmed below by various users.")]]<span><br> + == ==<br> + Due to the large volume of postings related to Crying Girl, information about this scam has been move to its own page at ["Crying Girl Con Artist"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 19: </td> <td> Line 22: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- '''Sightings:''' ["Downtown"] corners; shopping plazas (outside ["Nugget" Nugget Market], ["Davis Food Co-op" Co-op], both ["Safeway" Safeways], ["University Mall" U-Mall], ["Save Mart"], ["Target"], the ["Dixon"] ["Walmart"], etc.)<br> - <br> - '''Seen:''' November 2009 (?) – Present<br> - <br> - '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" (aka: '''Jillian "Jill" Johnson''') is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a dark haired girl who has dyed her hair reddish blond who sometimes wears heavy, tear-smeared make-up. She frequents the downtown area or grocery stores, both during the day and at night. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy. Reportedly, she has also very recently begun telling people a new story wherein she purports to be homeless. Additionally, she usually has backup with her, often in the form of a waiting car ('''black Chevy Tahoe with a plate number of 4GDY921''') with a male driver. Other people have also reported a female accomplice with a red Toyota. She is also very aggressive if you make her mad. She is apparently 20 years old and lives in Vacaville with her boyfriend and his mom.<br> - <br> - '''For Your Safety:''' If you see her roping someone in, be careful when warning the victims away. She has been known to follow whistleblowers for blocks, threatening and shouting at them. You may have a piece of concrete hurled your way if you try to take a picture of her (see below).<br> - <br> - '''Everyone who has had an interaction with her''' should file a police report using [http://cityofdavis.org/police/pdfs/forms/Offense_Report.pdf this form] (pdf). They don't need to catch her in the act, they just need reports and witnesses of the crimes to arrest her and have her convicted. So take a few minutes to report her if she conned you.<br> - <br> - '''Scam Alert Flyer:''' If you want to help alert the community, there is a [http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&amp;do=view&amp;target=Scam%20Alert.pdf handy flyer] (pdf) available for you to download and print.<br> - <br> - === Media Coverage ===<br> - <br> - [[Image(CryingGirlWithFriends3.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300 "The Crying Girl and one of her accomplices as shown on her brother's myspace page")]]<br> - <br> - * 2010-05-19 [http://www.davisvoice.com/2010/05/crying-girl-grifter-at-large-in-davis/ Crying Girl Grifter at Large in Davis] on ["The Davis Voice"]<br> - * Update: Someone purporting to be the Crying Girl Grifter commented on this blog post with an ["IP addresses" IP address] from Vacaville.<br> - * Update 2: Another commenter just left a possible identification.<br> - * 2010-05-30 The ["Davis Enterprise"] published an [http://www.davisenterprise.com/story.php?id=101.5 article] and our photo in the Sunday edition, here's the [http://www.davisenterprise.com/archive_pdfs/2010/20100530/PDFS/a3.pdf PDF link].<br> - * 2010-05-31 ["KOVR"] aired a [http://cbs13.com/local/davis.crying.girl.2.1725421.html story] on her.<br> - * 2010-06-01 ["The California Aggie" The Aggie] has [http://theaggie.org/article/2010/06/01/local-con-artist-targets-students-residents picked up the story] as well.<br> - * As of 11pm (6/1), it is the most popular story on the Aggie's website.<br> - * 2010-06-01 ["KXTV"] News10 aired a story this morning. Both the [http://www.news10.net/news/article.aspx?storyid=82568&amp;provider=top&amp;catid=188 story and video] unfortunately referred to the Davis Wiki as ''Davis' Wikipedia''.<br> - <br> - === Some more information on her: ===<br> - * [http://www.myspace.com/jmodelj Her MySpace] and a related [http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&amp;friendID=63787300&amp;albumId=1689152 photo gallery]. While these people closely resemble the person in question, and while they also show activities that comments attributed to the person in question bragged about, it is important to note that no action should be taken against the owners of these profiles. They should remain here only for informational purposes and to assist in further investigation by both the police and davis-wikipedians, but not as a tool to cause mayhem, to spread libel or slander, or to harass.<br> - * '''Unverified'''- [http://www.facebook.com/people/Jill-Johnson/100000158196524 This could be her facebook] page[[Footnote("I didn't think it looked much like her either or her brother, until I noticed the brother's profile picture on facebook was also one of the pictures on his myspace. From there I was able to make the logical connection.")]]<br> - ===Experiences===<br> - <br> - So it would appear that I've talked to this girl... She said she was from San Diego and her mother stranded her, she needed 37 bucks for an amtrak ticket, but she already had the ticket slip which meant that she rode the train one way already. I was at an ATM at the time so I found it weird, things weren't adding up. She had just gotten off the phone and was crying as well. Funny now I see a page, ["Daubert"]<br> - <br> - ----<br> - <br> - Tried to hit me up on the corner of 3rd and F. Had a female partner with her trying to get $35.00 for train fare to San Diego saying she had just recently been kicked out her home by her live-in Boyfriend. Sad really that this is somehow becoming a lifestyle for her and that she has somehow convinced her friend to help her do it now. Hair was reddish Blonde and her friend was brunette. Both appear to be aroun16 or 17 years old. --["Users/WesOne"]<br> - Yeah she had reddish blonde hair when I saw her, it was also around 3rd and F. --["Daubert"]<br> - <br> - <br> - ------<br> - ''2010-03-22 16:50:18'' [[nbsp]] Oh No! I was at University Mall Bank of America ATM I think last month and was scammed $5 by this girl!!! She was crying (real tears I thought I saw) that "she and her boyfriend had a huge fight", she was chased out of the apartment and she needed $35 for a motel stay. I was with my kids so I didn't bother to offer any help beside the $5 :( Thanks so much for this page - this needs to go into the Enterprise and reported to the police!! --["Users/LeeY"]<br> - <br> - ------<br> - <br> - ''2010-03-22 17:17:46'' [[nbsp]] If one of you guys could post a better description, I would appreciate it. I only saw her once or twice in the dark. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> - * The description "dark haired girl, dyed hair reddish blond, heavy, tear-smeared make-up, aged approximately 16 to 20" above was very accurate, I recognized her immediately. Also add "smoky eye makeup" and somewhat skimpy (not too skimpy) clothing.<br> - <br> - <br> - <br> - ------<br> - ''2010-03-22 22:46:56'' [[nbsp]] She is targeting parents with kids too with her sob stories, yes - got another report from friend :( --["Users/LeeY"]<br> - ------<br> - <br> - So last thursday, May 13, I was stopped by someone fitting this description. She had bleached hair, lots of mascara and the same story (the one about being stranded by her mom). She was also holding a train schedule. I managed to get a picture. (She didn't like that at all. Notice the chunk of concrete in her hand? It was thrown at me a second later.) Wanted to see if this is the same girl others have been stopped by. I don't want to accuse her, but the experience was a little too similar to what I'd read on here. --["users/JamesMadden"]<br> - * Concrete snowball fight, sounds fun. Do you recall where this took place? --["Users/EBT"]<br> - * It was at the Safeway in South Davis. -- JamesMadden<br> - * Wow, that sounds...sort of like assault, to me. --["Users/JoePomidor"]<br> - * Looks like her to me ["Daubert"]<br> - <br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-17 06:34:43'' [[nbsp]] Yeah, I ran into the Crying Girl in front of G Street Pub a few months ago. I directed her towards the Davis Cold Weather Shelter, since it was dark, and I knew that odds were slim on her getting a train out of town that late. --["Users/Flynn"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-17 18:01:08'' [[nbsp]] i've seen "the crying girl" on multiple occasions at the marketplace in west davis. i called the cops on her and she ran away. i can positively identify her in the picture of her. that is most definitely her. --["Users/cjoe"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-18 04:31:00'' [[nbsp]] That picture is definitely the Crying Girl. I've seen her in South Davis a a little more than a half dozen times starting around Novemeber and ending around February, though apparently she's showing back up. She doesn't work alone by the way, she usually has a car waiting for her, with a male driver. --["Users/TonyAhr"]<br> - That level of preparedness is pretty telling about how serious this thing is, isn't it? --ebt<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-18 14:41:08'' [[nbsp]] I can confirm that girl in the picture is the crying girl. She conned me and my fiancee last Friday in the parking lot by fex-ex/kinkos. --["Users/ChrisDietrich"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-18 17:11:21'' [[nbsp]] This is the crying girl. She tried to get me to give her money in the Save Mart parking lot and when I refused she got into a big black tahoe/suburban with a guy. She was not very convincing, her bus schedule was way to old for her to actually be trying to get a current train. I hope something can be done about her, she is ridiculous and should feel horrible about what she is doing. Will the Aggie do an article about her to spread the word? --["Users/gilmore518"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-18 17:18:23'' [[nbsp]] she approached my girlfriend and I outside North Davis Safeway a few months ago. Glad we didn't buy the story. --["Users/patrick82"]<br> - * Yep, same with me. She made a point of asking both my boyfriend and me individually if we had any money we could give her. I found it a little suspect at the time. --["Users/JenniferCook"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-18 18:22:11'' [[nbsp]] I'm really surprised the DPD hasn't seemed to be involved. Sounds like this girl is a public nuisance. --["Users/jsbmeb"]<br> - <br> - * I'm not. They're the DPD. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-18 21:32:47'' [[nbsp]] Thanks for the responses people. To TonyAhr's questions on my user page, that photo was taken toward the north end of the Safeway parking lot. The time of night was about 10pm. Hopefully there's a security tape of her. She was stopping a lot of people out there. A few people have also mentioned a black or dark colored truck and a male companion. I think I actually encountered him too. In fact the truck can be seen in the background, (unfortunately it's somewhat obscured). As I was taking that picture a guy jumped out and began making threats to me. Figured he was just taking the side of a random girl. I didn't want to stir up a fight so I split as soon as I got the picture. All this could have been coincidence, but now it makes me wonder a little bit. Maybe someone can get another picture. :) As far as the Davis Police Department goes, I would love to see them get caught. Unfortunately, I think the police need to catch her in the act. In the meantime, this will hopefully get people on alert. Calling the police is definitely a very good idea if you spot her running this scam. If the police physically see her doing it, they would have a good case. --["Users/JamesMadden"]<br> - * Now that you point it out, yeah, I see the truck. Too bad the license plate isn't clearer.<br> - * The license portion of the photo doesn't contain enough information to extract the plate letters. But it does appear to have a yellow registration sticker on the top right. (Yeah, that should really narrow it down. ;-) ) --["Users/IDoNotExist"]<br> - * Also, if you play with the brightness and contrast of the image, it's definitely a Chevy. Chevrolet is clearly readable on the back. Unfortunately, there's not enough info in the image to learn anything other than that about the truck. But perhaps her purse would lead police to her. It looks pretty distinctive. Maybe they can tie it to a store and a credit card? --["Users/IDoNotExist"]<br> - * The original picture was 8 megapixels. The plate looks blown, but you can pick out a Y in the picture. Maybe with a higher resolution picture, there might be some recoverable detail. The license plate format for normal passenger vehicles in California is #[a-z][a-z][a-z]###.... and we have a letter.<br> - * So we get the original picture, up the contrast and decrease the brightness and act like we're on an episode of CSI or something? --["Users/hankim"]<br> - * Oh yeah, baby!<br> - * [http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7526/concrete.jpg YEEAAAAHH] --["Users/hankim"]<br> - * I would like to congratulate you, sir. That is the best damn thing I ever saw on the wiki. --["Users/JoePomidor"]<br> - *Seriously, that was amazing! --["Users/TonyAhr"]<br> - * Yup. The problem with the current version of the picture is that there are only a few pixels devoted to the info on the plate. The plate is reflective, and the lighting conditions were dark, so the sensor mostly picked up white off the plate. But playing with the contrast, color channels, and other settings in photoshop off the original photo may reveal the actual letters. Can someone post that one? --["Users/IDoNotExist"]<br> - * I saw the truck when she got me...the dude was trying to pull all the way through a space to the other side (where we were trying to park). He was wearing a red shirt and a red hat. He was very apologetic when he realized he was pulling through to where we were parking. --["Users/ChrisDietrich"]<br> - * JamesMadden, I gotta thank you again for risking life and limb and getting that awesome picture of her in our parking lot. I posted a facebook note about her, "Crying Girl Con Artist in Davis" with that picture and linked it to a bunch of my Davis friends' walls, so that picture is spreading fast. The more people that recognize her, the better. --["Users/TonyAhr"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-19 07:53:37'' [[nbsp]] By request, I have just uploaded the original file. WilliamLewis was correct about the original file size being bigger. Unfortunately, I had cropped down that photo to get a better view of the crying girl. I also resampled a bit to reduce the file size, but it didn’t change the resolution around the license plate too much. However, the original file is up and maybe people can find it useful. I should also add that I can’t confirm that the guy had any relationship with the girl. Maybe if they can be seen showing up together on a security tape, we could have some more solid evidence, but at this point the guy could have been coincidental. William was also correct about the timestamp. I did set a time on my camera at some point, so the 10:22 pm should be about right. I also wanted to make a clarification to Tony about the location. This was in the north end of the parking lot between Rite Aid and Yolo Credit Union, not the area around House of Chang or Round Table. Tony, I also liked that you posted to facebook, I think that’s a great idea! --["Users/JamesMadden"]<br> - [[Image(IMG_1580.JPG, thumbnail, 150, "Click image to see the full resolution original.")]]<br> - [[Image(edited.JPG, thumbnail, 150, "The best I could do.")]]<br> - = =<br> - It appears your photo just does not contain the information needed to pull out the rest of the plate (unless you jump into the amazing science fiction-fantasy world of CSI). The first image below is the raw data, which shows that the information is lost in the CCD and compression noise. Working with what you have, I can only get something roughly like the second image (pretty much what you got). More work could pull out a bit better view of what is there, but a good chuck of the info just isn't there. -jw<br> - <br> - [[Image(LP_Raw.png, thumbnail)]]<br> - [[Image(LP_Sine.jpg, thumbnail)]]<br> - <br> - = =<br> - <br> - Here's what I got. Looks like DYX something, possibly with a 1 towards the end. It's also possible that the X could be a 9 and a part of another letter. I would imagine that that would be enough for the police to narrow it down to a short list of black Suburbans or Tahoes with those letters on the license plate. --["Users/IDoNotExist"]<br> - <br> - [[Image(license plate.jpg)]]<br> - ----<br> - <br> - <br> - Pump the brakes here internet detectives, ["John Neves"] (and by extension DPD) are more than aware of our crying girl! Her name is Amber, and she has been stopped by him and warned if this persists she will be arrested. Both license plates of both involved vehicles have been recorded, one is the dark Chevy with male, the other is red Toyota with female. If you have any further contact with crying girl / Amber please contact DPD post haste. If you were bilked please fill out the PDF that is linked on this page. Thank you for your time ["Daubert"]<br> - <br> - -----<br> - <br> - ''2010-05-19 23:56:52'' [[nbsp]] I have walked into the stranded neighbor twice, and have been trying to bring her down! The first time I gave her some money and then realized I had an unused Amtrak ticket in my wallet so offered her that instead which was worth a lot more (they can be exchanged for credit on another journey). She told me they wouldn't accept it, which isn't true at all which is when I realized her story did not seem truthful. I asked her what time her train left and told her it was too late for that line and that she was wrong. I took everything I gave her back and walked away and she abused me. The next time I saw her before she even opened her mouth I told her to go away. She is a scam-artist through and through. Since then I have hoped to encounter her again and take a picture - well done to whoever did. Her MO is to target young men for obvious reasons. --["Users/thomwoodroofe"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-21 00:10:49'' [[nbsp]] Wow. I don't think this girl knows about daviswiki. I actually ran into her again tonight! I saw her standing in the Kinko's parking lot this time. I was so dumbfounded, I parked my car, and she actually approached me again! I tried to take another picture and this time she opened my car door and tried to grab my camera. I had a tripod with me and she backed off when I grabbed it, but she got on her phone and called her friends. The nice guys at Kinko's were very helpful and were quickly on the phone to the police at this point.<br> - <br> - Two guys ran up shortly after. One was white with dark hair and had a short, thin goatee. He maybe 5'-6", wore a red baseball cap and baggy clothes. He had a spray canister that he said was mace. Tried to spray me with it but it was either deodorant or cologne. The other guy was taller, maybe 5'-9", was either white or hispanic, and had dark curly hair under a green baseball cap. He wore baggy clothes as well. I could definitely identify them again. They both made a lot of threats but didn't want to go near Kinko's where there were witnesses. The crying girl (at least I think it was her, as she'd disappeared by this time) had grabbed the same black Chevy, which the two guys jumped into before driving off. Who ever said is was a Tahoe or Sububan was correct. Its an SUV type Chevrolet. Unfortunately I couldn't get the plate number or pictures.<br> - <br> - An officer came up shortly after and I filed a proper police report. He was very helpful and said the police department were well aware of her. Apparently the district attorney is putting together a case against them as well. He said calling the police was the best bet if people she her again. He also mentioned that they are turning up in Natomas and Vacaville too, and said he thought they were from out of town. The pictures I got tonight didn't turn out so I have nothing to post on that end. I wish I did! She is still working the City of Davis however, so please keep your eyes out. --["Users/JamesMadden"]<br> - <br> - * An excellent example of [wiki:wikipedia:"Peelian Principles" the police are the public and the public are the police]. Well handled! --["Users/JabberWokky" Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards]<br> - <br> - -----<br> - ''2010-05-23 17:24:20'' [[nbsp]] I've been had! i gave her 20 dollars! Definitely going to file a police report. What a jerk! --["Users/christinag"]<br> - -----<br> - Well, after thoroughly checking the tapes from Thursday 5/13, I can safely say that the cement toss is not on tape, it occured too far out of range of the cameras. She was back again tonight though. I was in the checkstand and a customer was getting cash back and just happened to mention that there was a girl outside who needed it for a train ticket. After I warned him about her scheme, I relieved myself from the checkstand and called Davis PD but she was gone by the time they got there. The officer mentioned that they have been recieving a lot of calls regarding her.<br> - <br> - I checked the tapes shortly afterward and she's on it. Her apperence was slightly different as she had her hair in pigtails, but it was very clear on the tape that it was her, and also clear what she was doing. The tape catches her approaching 3 different shoppers as they exited their cars to run her scam. Her male accomplice parked himself near one of our cameras too, so I was able to get a descent look at him. The guy looks like he's about the same age as her, late teens to 20 years old, hispanic, medium height and was hearing a dark hoodie over a dark baseball cap and was holding a cell phone. It was quite clear on the tape that he was providing lookout.<br> - <br> - So basically, stay vigilant because she's still around and probably not going anywhere until she's caught. --["Users/TonyAhr"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-24 23:00:40'' [[nbsp]] Ok, these guys are just plain dumb. You don't even have to look for them. Just show up at the South Davis Safeway after ten! Sure glad I'm a late night shopper. I watched them get out of their car and hit up some more innocent victims while I took a plate number. 4GDY921 --["Users/JamesMadden"]<br> - * Good job, James! Did you pass the plate number on to the police? --["Users/IDoNotExist"]<br> - * It won't last long (this page will be indexed soon), but that plate number has zero hits on Google. -jw<br> - * I got a hit. [http://data.fresnobeehive.com/air/smogck.php California Smog Check database] IDs the car as a 1999 Chevrolet Tahoe with 4-doors. --["Users/HarrisonM"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-25 18:01:39'' [[nbsp]] UGHH!!!! this girl completely scammed me and my boyfriend back in May. She said she was kicked out of her boyfriends house and needed money for the train to San Diego. I believed but had had some skepticism in what she was saying but i figured it was the truth. So i gave her $40 and shook her hand and made her promise that she was using the money for that reason and that she wouldnt ask anyoneelse for money and be on that train in the morning. So much for thinking people could be honest! how can she look someone in the eye and lie to them and then repeated ly use this scam on other people! NO conscience! Well i defineately hope she gets caught and i WILL be filing a police report! --["Users/tleann"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-25 19:23:52'' [[nbsp]] Crying girl is almost certainly well into the grand theft range under California Penal Code sections 484 and 487. "Every person who ... shall knowingly and designedly, by any false or fraudulent representation or pretense, defraud any other person of money, labor or real or personal property ... is guilty of theft." CPC section 484. The threshold for grand theft under 487 is $400 aggregate value. As grand theft is a felony, an officer of the law can arrest her (with probable cause) even if he has not witnessed her performing the act. In other words, if enough folks come forward and state that they've been screwed out of over $400 total with sufficient corroborating detail for probable cause, she can be arrested and charged.<br> - <br> - C'mon, DPD! Investigate and act. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - -----<br> - This was posted on ["The Davis Voice"] comments section by someone purporting to be "Crying Girl":<br> - <br> - {{{yah ive been stopped by the cops three times and walked away. i bought my truck for $4500 a 2 bedroom house!<br> - THANX EVERYBODY for being so generous with the GREAT amount of money you have given me thanks again because<br> - im going to hawaii in 2 weeks also for an acting job. i saved up $12,538 not including my truck or trip! thanx guys love ya<br> - and lol thanx for making me FAMOUS!!! HA HA<br> - look for me on the movies soon because you guys doing this showed my entertainment agency just how really great i am<br> - and i have 3 jobs lined up including one in HAWAII! this was all part of my project for my agency to see how great i can<br> - act and u citizens definetly paid for my beautiful portfolio!<br> - p.s camera man we kno where u rest yur head good luck<br> - EVERYONE ELSE ON HERE AND WHO STARTED THIS FUNNY S#^% THANX FOR THE ATTENTION(love it) &amp;&amp;<br> - GET A F&amp;#*(# LIFE LONER/LOSER NERD HAVE FUN [with] MY BEAUTIFUL PICTURE ABOVE!!<br> - LOVE ALWAYS &amp;&amp; FOREVER<br> - YOUR RICH B(#*$ “CRYING GIRL”"}}}<br> - http://www.davisvoice.com/2010/05/crying-girl-grifter-at-large-in-davis/comment-page-1/#comment-307<br> - <br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-26 19:58:49'' [[nbsp]] My wish is that the DPD does a quick undercover thing to get Amber and the 2 guys she works with. They could stakeout a parking lot that they're in, get approached by Amber, take her down while other plain clothes officers get the 2 guys before they can drive off. --["Users/jsbmeb"]<br> - <br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-29 23:22:16'' [[nbsp]] The Crying Girl has approached me twice in the parking lot of the Fairfield/Green Valley Safeway. Once around 9-10pm outside of Safeway a couple of months ago and again tonight in front of CVS in the same shopping center about 8pm. I didn't quite believe her story the first time (her and her boyfriend got in a fight and he ditched her there and she needed money for a hotel room). I told her no and she moved on. Tonight I heard her crying as I was walking back to my car. I think she had just approached a man who turned her down and she moved on to me and my kids. I told her she's unbelievable, this is the second time she's approached me. She sobbed "I didn't" but walked away quickly. Thought later I should have gotten a picture of her or called the police. --["Users/JessiG"]<br> - -------<br> - I was approached by Crying Girl about 10PM on May 16th, 2010 in the Davis Marketplace parking lot in front of CVS. Her story was that she needed train fare to get to her mother's in San Diego. When I declined, she got beligerant and said "you don't have a heart". It seems like she's the one that does not have a heart. --["Users/TurboCat"]<br> - -----<br> - ''2010-05-31 11:49:28'' [[nbsp]] My roommate and I were tricked by this crying girl a while back. :( Makes me sad, because this makes it hard to interpret who needs help and is being truthful these days. &gt;_&lt; --["Users/PaulV"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-06-01 00:37:40'' [[nbsp]] Hey I found another lead... check out [http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&amp;friendID=63787300&amp;albumId=1689152 her brother's myspace]. She's in this album. Apparently her brother is a bad apple too -- arrested for robbing banks in the area. Lovely family. --["Users/GregMed"]<br> - <br> - * Incredible detective work, all of you. We now know her name is possibly Jill Johnson. I never imagined, when making this page and writing the blurb about this woman, that my little article would get on the news, in the newspaper, and arouse the entire wiki-detective squad to ferret her out. Amazing. Daviswiki is simply amazing. - Edward Niemand.<br> - * Yes, amazing!! Now hopefully all these media attention would encourage the DPD to act - according to the news articles they can't do anything unless an officer caught her on the act (and it's has to be violent?) I don't understand..<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-06-01 08:44:06'' [[nbsp]] Scott Johnson, the robber? [http://fugitive.com/archives/14798 Check this out]. He was wanted for credit union robberies, considered armed and dangerous. $250,000 warrant for his arrest as of Nov 2009. The [http://fugitive.com/archives/15528 followup], turned himself in in December. Booked on three counts of bank robbery and one count of attempted robbery. Good to see he's moved up in the world. More seriously, isn't what he's doing with his sister some sort of violation? I know James filed called the police about the girl, but if this is the same guy that was spraying "deodorant mace" and threatening him...can't the police do anything about that? --["Users/EdWins"]<br> - *I can see why the cops didn't do anything about the "deodorant mace" incident, but I think throwing the concrete slab would have got her arrested. Did anybody ever put that in a police report? By the way, if he's a bank robber who was arrested in late 2009, doesn't it seem a bit early for him to be out of prison to help his sister with this? Somehow I find it hard to believe that he was able to scrounge up $250,000 for bail money. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> - * After looking through the links above, I'll concede, her brother may not have been one of the accomplices I encountered at Kinkos last month. I was pretty preoccupied with the skinny guy (Caleb) and the second person seemed a little scared and held back a bit. The body type and size was approximately right, but I shouldn't confirm him outright. The skinny kid was DEFINITELY there. He's the deodorant mace guy. I'd testify against him. The police, btw, should have a record of the rock throwing. They've been getting a bit of bad press out of this, so hopefully they'll step it up now. In the meantime, I'll update the picture. -- ["users/JamesMadden"]<br> - *Well, if the police have no official report of assault, it would go a long way to help explain why no action has been taken. The recent news articles make it pretty clear, that without any documentation of assault, the police position is that she can't be arrested. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-06-01 13:43:19'' [[nbsp]] Crying girl approached me twice in one night a few months ago. I felt like there was something fishy about the situation. I thought she was trippin on drugs. When she first approached me on the corner of F and 3rd Street she pulled the whole homeless pitch, needing a train ticket to get to her mom in San Diego. I gave her a dollar from my wallet and told her that was all I had. She pointed at my ATM card and proceeded to ask me to get her more money. I said no way. She got more aggressive telling me there is an atm across the street and she will walk with me. I said no way and walked away. After spending a few hours in Bistro I proceeded to walk back to my car in the parking lot near kinkos/fed ex. She approached me a second time and pulled the same story. I told her she already approached me that night. She told me no she didnt, the jacket she was wearing was just the same as lots. I said no. She wailed into the air PLEASE and tripped over a curb. At this point I thought she was coming off some drug induced high and was desperate for money to buy more drugs. Who knew she was an actual con artist. Karma will come back and get her and when she needs help most no one will be there. --["Users/melibelly83"]<br> - <br> - ------<br> - ''2010-06-03 01:18:59'' [[nbsp]] In my experience with the crying girl the guy on the far right of the picture was the suburban driving guy, I know because he tried to pull through to our parking space and nearly hit our car and then appoligized to us. He is also in on it. Anybody else seen that guy? If so, I think we should note that in the picture--["Users/ChrisDietrich"]<br> - <br> - ------<br> - ''2010-06-02 11:23:24'' [[nbsp]] Crying girl is totally ruining my game. I fly a sign over by CVS pharmacy in North Davis either saying "Dogfood" or "Cany all rent anything helps" and I'm NOT lying. I work at Tuesday Morning in South Davis and make like $150/two weeks, that doesn't cover $500/mo. You know? Crying girl is making us all out to seem like liars and it really sucks because I don't want to end up homeless again, yes, I am looking for a second job with no luck. That girl pisses me off, will she be arrested soon? I hope. --["Users/Mogitha"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-06-02 13:16:03'' [[nbsp]] Come on guys, I reviewed the myspace pictures and the facebook pictures, they look EXACTLY like the girl who was hucking cement. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> - <br> - ------<br> - ''2010-06-03 07:45:18'' [[nbsp]] It wouldn't be a major problem for most of us being scamed for $5 or so. Even $35 is not a lifetime error if given to this abuser. It could be for poor people that are, nevertheless, compassive and give help to her. The scary thing is the "guardian angel" she seems to work along with. This tells things about level of organization, premeditation and so. I don't usually blame scammers when they catch a greedy person who agrees on go beyond the limits to get an advantage... but this is not the case. This girl (and people of her kind) target on the most beautiful thing we have in our hearts: compassion. The guardian angel and the loss of compassion are the major threats I feel here.<br> - --["Users/JASH"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-06-03 11:55:28'' [[nbsp]] I was approached by the Crying Girl/retard in February, at the Safeway in North Davis. She was sobbing big crocodile tears, telling me about how her boyfriend kicked her out and she needed a train ticket, blah, blah, blah. I could tell she was full of shit, so I gave her a dollar just to piss her off and suggested she find a new boyfriend. She didn't get mad, though. Just walked away. --["Users/janellemacdonald1"]<br> - <br> - == "Oakland Train Guy" ==</span> </td> <td> <span>+ === "Oakland Train Guy" ===</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-03 16:30:17jsbmebfixed JASH's spelling AND AS ebt SAYS, "Elevator service" <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 202: </td> <td> Line 202: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-06-02 11:23:24'' [[nbsp]] Crying girl is totally ruining my game. I fly a sign over by CVS pharmacy in North Davis either saying "Dogfood" or "Cany all rent anything helps" and I'm NOT lying. I work at Tuesday Morning in South Davis and make like $150/two weeks, that doesn't cover $500/mo. You know? Crying girl is making us all out to seem like liars and it really sucks because I don't want to end up homeless again, yes, I am looking for a second job with no luck. That girl pisses me off, will she be arrested soon? I hope. --["Users/Mogitha"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2010-06-02 13:16:03'' [[nbsp]] Come on guys, I reviewed the myspace pictures and the facebook pictures, they look EXACTLY like the girl who was hucking cement. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> + <br> + ------<br> + ''2010-06-03 07:45:18'' [[nbsp]] It wouldn't be a major problem for most of us being scamed for $5 or so. Even $35 is not a lifetime error if given to this abuser. It could be for poor people that are, nevertheless, compassive and give help to her. The scary thing is the "guardian angel" she seems to work along with. This tells things about level of organization, premeditation and so. I don't usually blame scammers when they catch a greedy person who agrees on go beyond the limits to get an advantage... but this is not the case. This girl (and people of her kind) target on the most beautiful thing we have in our hearts: compassion. The guardian angel and the loss of compassion are the major threats I feel here.<br> + --["Users/JASH"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2010-06-03 11:55:28'' [[nbsp]] I was approached by the Crying Girl/retard in February, at the Safeway in North Davis. She was sobbing big crocodile tears, telling me about how her boyfriend kicked her out and she needed a train ticket, blah, blah, blah. I could tell she was full of shit, so I gave her a dollar just to piss her off and suggested she find a new boyfriend. She didn't get mad, though. Just walked away. --["Users/janellemacdonald1"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 259: </td> <td> Line 270: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-06-02 11:23:24'' [[nbsp]] Crying girl is totally ruining my game. I fly a sign over by CVS pharmacy in North Davis either saying "Dogfood" or "Cany all rent anything helps" and I'm NOT lying. I work at Tuesday Morning in South Davis and make like $150/two weeks, that doesn't cover $500/mo. You know? Crying girl is making us all out to seem like liars and it really sucks because I don't want to end up homeless again, yes, I am looking for a second job with no luck. That girl pisses me off, will she be arrested soon? I hope. --["Users/Mogitha"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-06-02 13:16:03'' [[nbsp]] Come on guys, I reviewed the myspace pictures and the facebook pictures, they look EXACTLY like the girl who was hucking cement. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> - <br> - ------<br> - ''2010-06-03 07:45:18'' [[nbsp]] It wouldn't be a major problem for most of us being scamed for $5 or so. Even $35 is not a lifetime error if given to this abuser. It could be for poor people that are, nevertheless, compassive and give help to her. The scary thing is the "guardian angel" she seems to work along with. This tells things about level of organization, premeditation and so. I don¡t usually blaim scammers when they catch a greedy person who agrees on go beyond the limits to get an advantage... but this is not the case. This girl (and peopple of her kind) target on the most beatifull thing we hav in our hearts: compassion. The guardian angel and the loss of compassion are the major threats I feel here.<br> - --["Users/JASH"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-06-03 11:55:28'' [[nbsp]] I was approached by the Crying Girl/retard in February, at the Safeway in North Davis. She was sobbing big crocodile tears, telling me about how her boyfriend kicked her out and she needed a train ticket, blah, blah, blah. I could tell she was full of shit, so I gave her a dollar just to piss her off and suggested she find a new boyfriend. She didn't get mad, though. Just walked away. --["Users/janellemacdonald1"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-03 11:55:28janellemacdonald1Comment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 267: </td> <td> Line 267: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-06-03 11:55:28'' [[nbsp]] I was approached by the Crying Girl/retard in February, at the Safeway in North Davis. She was sobbing big crocodile tears, telling me about how her boyfriend kicked her out and she needed a train ticket, blah, blah, blah. I could tell she was full of shit, so I gave her a dollar just to piss her off and suggested she find a new boyfriend. She didn't get mad, though. Just walked away. --["Users/janellemacdonald1"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-03 09:03:25ChrisDietrichjust integrating my comment into the above conversation <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 199: </td> <td> Line 199: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-06-03 01:18:59'' [[nbsp]] In my experience with the crying girl the guy on the far right of the picture was the suburban driving guy, I know because he tried to pull through to our parking space and nearly hit our car and then appoligized to us. He is also in on it. Anybody else seen that guy? If so, I think we should note that in the picture--["Users/ChrisDietrich"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 260: </td> <td> Line 263: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-06-03 01:18:59'' [[nbsp]] In my experience with the crying girl the guy on the far right of the picture was the suburban driving guy, I know because he tried to pull through to our parking space and nearly hit our car and then appoligized to us. He is also in on it. --["Users/ChrisDietrich"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-03 07:45:18JASHComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 262: </td> <td> Line 262: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-06-03 07:45:18'' [[nbsp]] It wouldn't be a major problem for most of us being scamed for $5 or so. Even $35 is not a lifetime error if given to this abuser. It could be for poor people that are, nevertheless, compassive and give help to her. The scary thing is the "guardian angel" she seems to work along with. This tells things about level of organization, premeditation and so. I don¡t usually blaim scammers when they catch a greedy person who agrees on go beyond the limits to get an advantage... but this is not the case. This girl (and peopple of her kind) target on the most beatifull thing we hav in our hearts: compassion. The guardian angel and the loss of compassion are the major threats I feel here.<br> + --["Users/JASH"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-03 01:18:59ChrisDietrichComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 260: </td> <td> Line 260: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-06-03 01:18:59'' [[nbsp]] In my experience with the crying girl the guy on the far right of the picture was the suburban driving guy, I know because he tried to pull through to our parking space and nearly hit our car and then appoligized to us. He is also in on it. --["Users/ChrisDietrich"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 23:12:45JamesMaddendidn't read lines above, removing. still amuses me though. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 47: </td> <td> Line 47: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * Its amusing to me that she's wearing a banner that says "overall photogenic." I don't think that's worked out all that well for her.</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 21:32:55JamesMaddenI think the fb profile is hers. Same friends are on her bros mspace acct. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 47: </td> <td> Line 47: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ * Its amusing to me that she's wearing a banner that says "overall photogenic." I don't think that's worked out all that well for her.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 16:53:54JonFenske <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 161: </td> <td> Line 161: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-05-26 09:33:51'' [[nbsp]] She conned my wife and me out of $10 in March in the Ace parking lot across from Woodstocks. Actually, I suspected she was pulling a con, but we had our little daughter with us and I wasn't in the position to confront her so I gave her $10 to leave us alone, and regret it. I had no idea she ripped off so many people. 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Both the [http://www.news10.net/news/article.aspx?storyid=82568&amp;provider=top&amp;catid=188 story and video] <span>un</span>f<span>ortunately referred to the Davis W</span>iki as ''Davis' Wikipedia''. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 13:48:50PhilipNeustrom <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 43: </td> <td> Line 43: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - '''Scam Alert Flyer:''' If you want to help alert the community, there is a [http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&amp;do=view&amp;target=Scam%20Alert.pdf handy flyer] (pdf) available for you to download and print.</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 13:48:31PhilipNeustrom <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 44: </td> <td> Line 44: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ----- /!\ Edit conflict! 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Other version: -----<br> - === Some more information on her: ===<br> - * [http://www.myspace.com/jmodelj Her MySpace] and a related [http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&amp;friendID=63787300&amp;albumId=1689152 photo gallery].<br> - ----- /!\ End of edit conflict -----</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 13:16:03EdwardNiemandComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 269: </td> <td> Line 269: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-06-02 13:16:03'' [[nbsp]] Come on guys, I reviewed the myspace pictures and the facebook pictures, they look EXACTLY like the girl who was hucking cement. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 13:14:14EdwardNiemand <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 44: </td> <td> Line 44: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ----- /!\ Edit conflict! Your version: -----<br> + '''Scam Alert Flyer:''' If you want to help alert the community, there is a [http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&amp;do=view&amp;target=Scam%20Alert.pdf handy flyer] (pdf) available for you to download and print.<br> + <br> + '''Some more information on her:'''<br> + * [http://www.myspace.com/jmodelj Her MySpace] and a related [http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&amp;friendID=63787300&amp;albumId=1689152 photo gallery]. While these people closely resemble the person in question, and while they also show activities that comments attributed to the person in question bragged about, it is important to note that no action should be taken against the owners of these profiles. They should remain here only for informational purposes and to assist in further investigation by both the police and davis-wikipedians, but not as a tool to cause mayhem, to spread libel or slander, or to harass.<br> + ----- /!\ Edit conflict! Other version: -----</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 46: </td> <td> Line 52: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ----- /!\ End of edit conflict -----</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 13:13:03PhilipNeustromorganization <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 18: </td> <td> Line 18: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + '''Sightings:''' ["Downtown"] corners; shopping plazas (outside ["Nugget" Nugget Market], ["Davis Food Co-op" Co-op], both ["Safeway" Safeways], ["University Mall" U-Mall], ["Save Mart"], ["Target"], the ["Dixon"] ["Walmart"], etc.)<br> + <br> + '''Seen:''' November 2009 (?) – Present<br> + <br> + '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" (aka: '''Jillian "Jill" Johnson''') is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a dark haired girl who has dyed her hair reddish blond who sometimes wears heavy, tear-smeared make-up. She frequents the downtown area or grocery stores, both during the day and at night. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy. Reportedly, she has also very recently begun telling people a new story wherein she purports to be homeless. Additionally, she usually has backup with her, often in the form of a waiting car ('''black Chevy Tahoe with a plate number of 4GDY921''') with a male driver. Other people have also reported a female accomplice with a red Toyota. She is also very aggressive if you make her mad. She is apparently 20 years old and lives in Vacaville with her boyfriend and his mom.<br> + <br> + '''For Your Safety:''' If you see her roping someone in, be careful when warning the victims away. She has been known to follow whistleblowers for blocks, threatening and shouting at them. You may have a piece of concrete hurled your way if you try to take a picture of her (see below).<br> + <br> + '''Everyone who has had an interaction with her''' should file a police report using [http://cityofdavis.org/police/pdfs/forms/Offense_Report.pdf this form] (pdf). They don't need to catch her in the act, they just need reports and witnesses of the crimes to arrest her and have her convicted. So take a few minutes to report her if she conned you.<br> + <br> + '''Scam Alert Flyer:''' If you want to help alert the community, there is a [http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&amp;do=view&amp;target=Scam%20Alert.pdf handy flyer] (pdf) available for you to download and print.<br> + <br> + === Media Coverage ===<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 19: </td> <td> Line 34: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - '''Sightings:''' ["Downtown"] corners; shopping plazas (outside ["Nugget" Nugget Market], ["Davis Food Co-op" Co-op], both ["Safeway" Safeways], ["University Mall" U-Mall], ["Save Mart"], ["Target"], the ["Dixon"] ["Walmart"], etc.)<br> - <br> - '''Seen:''' November 2009 (?) – Present<br> - <br> - '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" (aka: '''Jillian "Jill" Johnson''') is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a dark haired girl who has dyed her hair reddish blond who sometimes wears heavy, tear-smeared make-up. She frequents the downtown area or grocery stores, both during the day and at night. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy. Reportedly, she has also very recently begun telling people a new story wherein she purports to be homeless. Additionally, she usually has backup with her, often in the form of a waiting car ('''black Chevy Tahoe with a plate number of 4GDY921''') with a male driver. Other people have also reported a female accomplice with a red Toyota. She is also very aggressive if you make her mad. She is apparently 20 years old and lives in Vacaville with her boyfriend and his mom.<br> - <br> - '''For Your Safety:''' If you see her roping someone in, be careful when warning the victims away. She has been known to follow whistleblowers for blocks, threatening and shouting at them. You may have a piece of concrete hurled your way if you try to take a picture of her (see below).<br> - <br> - '''Everyone who has had an interaction with her''' should file a police report using [http://cityofdavis.org/police/pdfs/forms/Offense_Report.pdf this form] (pdf). They don't need to catch her in the act, they just need reports and witnesses of the crimes to arrest her and have her convicted. So take a few minutes to report her if she conned you.<br> - <br> - '''Media Coverage:'''</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 41: </td> <td> Line 44: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- '''Scam Alert Flyer:''' If you want to help alert the community, there is a [http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&amp;do=view&amp;target=Scam%20Alert.pdf handy flyer] (pdf) available for you to download and print.<br> - <br> - '''Some more information on her:'''</span> </td> <td> <span>+ === Some more information on her: ===</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 13:11:39EdwardNiemandRevert to version 375 (Profile links should stay; police investigators need the info on this page.). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 30: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> <span>=== </span>Media Coverage<span>&nbsp;===</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> <span>'''</span>Media Coverage<span>:'''</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 42: </td> <td> Line 42: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + '''Some more information on her:'''<br> + * [http://www.myspace.com/jmodelj Her MySpace] and a related [http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&amp;friendID=63787300&amp;albumId=1689152 photo gallery].<br> + * '''Unverified'''- [http://www.facebook.com/people/Jill-Johnson/100000158196524 This could be her facebook] page[[Footnote("I didn't think it looked much like her either or her brother, until I noticed the brother's profile picture on facebook was also one of the pictures on his myspace. From there I was able to make the logical connection.")]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 13:11:24PhilipNeustrom(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 30: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> <span>'''</span>Media Coverage<span>:'''</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> <span>=== </span>Media Coverage<span>&nbsp;===</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 12:39:05PhilipNeustromtaking profile links down for time being <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 42: </td> <td> Line 42: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - '''Some more information on her:'''<br> - * [http://www.myspace.com/jmodelj Her MySpace] and a related [http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&amp;friendID=63787300&amp;albumId=1689152 photo gallery].<br> - * '''Unverified'''- [http://www.facebook.com/people/Jill-Johnson/100000158196524 This could be her facebook] page[[Footnote("I didn't think it looked much like her either or her brother, until I noticed the brother's profile picture on facebook was also one of the pictures on his myspace. From there I was able to make the logical connection.")]]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 12:31:36PhilipNeustrom <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 201: </td> <td> Line 201: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - Not sure if it matters much at this point with all the info and exposure that this has gotten and since their profiles a set to private, but here is her [http://www.facebook.com/people/Jill-Johnson/100000158196524 facebook],<br> - and here is her [http://www.facebook.com/people/Scott-Johansten/100000437336178 brother's]<br> - Notice his name is slightly altered. Also, her profile picture is interesting... wondering if it's from a real contest or not...<br> - I'm sure someone could find more if they wanted to waste the time to dig through their friend lists and the public profiles/look for profiles of accomplices.<br> - Also, evil or not, I would totally bang crying girl. Ok, maybe I'd have to paper bag it or tape her mouth shut so I didn't have to hear that annoying voice, but ya get the idea :P --["Users/bigpimpin"]<br> - <br> - * This is pretty interesting. You can still see and message her 20 friends. Could someone send a facebook message to each of them with a link to the articles about her crimes? Make sure it's a throwaway account, because she will probably have someone come and burglarize your house or harass you in retribution. -EdwardNiemand<br> - * That doesn't look like her to me, and the parents are listed as living across the country. Wiki users should be very careful at targeting unconfirmed people, especially at the advice of an anonymous DavisWiki user. I think publishing names of family members is irresponsible too unless you know for 100% sure you're correct. Doesn't look like it to me in this case. -MIK<br> - * Regardless of whether it's her or whether the information is available online, I think it's in poor taste to list the names of her family on the wiki. They are likely innocent, and yet they could become the targets of harassment now. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> - * It is important to use discretion and caution in a matter like this. If users start contacting friends and relatives it could have negative consequences that were not foreseen. Best to give the police time to handle this matter. --["Users/DagonJones"]<br> - * I didn't think it looked much like her either or her brother, until I noticed the brother's profile picture on facebook was also one of the pictures on his myspace. From there I was able to make the logical connection. I posted the link to the brother because it was mentioned earlier that he was an identified accomplice, not just posting random family members here. But you guys are right that it probably is in poor taste to point people to their friends lists and could negatively effect a police investigation. I appologize, should I remove the links? --["Users/bigpimpin"]<br> - * I support removing the links. Especially the brother's because the person who previously identified him as an accomplice has since admitted that he was possibly wrong; he said that his allegations were based on similarities of "body type and size" and that he "shouldn't confirm him outright." --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> - * I don't think that the facebook pages add anything new, and so there is not any major reason they should remain. However, I do think that they are in fact the pages of Crying Girl and her brother, since they have the same photo and everything. There is no reason a stranger would have such a photo up. Agreed, though, that the brother shouldn't really be included in anything if nobody has IDed him as one of the accomplices. --["Users/JoePomidor"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 12:29:53PhilipNeustromslight organization, moved facebook/myspace link to new section <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 35: </td> <td> Line 35: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * Update 3: A deluge of new information popped up recently in the comments; most notably, [http://www.myspace.com/jmodelj her MySpace] and a related [http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&amp;friendID=63787300&amp;albumId=1689152 photo gallery].</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 41: </td> <td> Line 40: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''Great sadness. The newsreporter on the video got it right most of the time, but did mess it up once or twice.''</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 44: </td> <td> Line 42: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + '''Some more information on her:'''<br> + * [http://www.myspace.com/jmodelj Her MySpace] and a related [http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&amp;friendID=63787300&amp;albumId=1689152 photo gallery].<br> + * '''Unverified'''- [http://www.facebook.com/people/Jill-Johnson/100000158196524 This could be her facebook] page[[Footnote("I didn't think it looked much like her either or her brother, until I noticed the brother's profile picture on facebook was also one of the pictures on his myspace. From there I was able to make the logical connection.")]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 11:36:59JoePomidor(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 212: </td> <td> Line 212: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I don't think that the facebook pages add anything new, and so there is not any major reason they should remain. However, I do think that they are in fact the pages of Crying Girl and her brother, since they have the same photo and everything. There is no reason a stranger would have such a photo up. Agreed, though, that the brother shouldn't really be included in anything if nobody has IDed him as one of the accomplices. --["Users/JoePomidor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 11:23:24MogithaComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 269: </td> <td> Line 269: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-06-02 11:23:24'' [[nbsp]] Crying girl is totally ruining my game. I fly a sign over by CVS pharmacy in North Davis either saying "Dogfood" or "Cany all rent anything helps" and I'm NOT lying. I work at Tuesday Morning in South Davis and make like $150/two weeks, that doesn't cover $500/mo. You know? Crying girl is making us all out to seem like liars and it really sucks because I don't want to end up homeless again, yes, I am looking for a second job with no luck. That girl pisses me off, will she be arrested soon? I hope. --["Users/Mogitha"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 11:13:29ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 211: </td> <td> Line 211: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * I support removing the links. Especially the brother's because the person who previously identified him as an accomplice has since admitted that he was possibly wrong; he said that his allegations were based on "body type and size" and that he "shouldn't confirm him outright." --["Users/ScottMeehleib"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * I support removing the links. Especially the brother's because the person who previously identified him as an accomplice has since admitted that he was possibly wrong; he said that his allegations were based on<span>&nbsp;similarities of</span> "body type and size" and that he "shouldn't confirm him outright." --["Users/ScottMeehleib"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 11:09:21ScottMeehleibreply to bp <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p>No differences found!</div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 11:09:11ScottMeehleibreply to bp <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 211: </td> <td> Line 211: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I support removing the links. Especially the brother's because the person who previously identified him as an accomplice has since admitted that he was possibly wrong; he said that his allegations were based on "body type and size" and that he "shouldn't confirm him outright." --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 10:42:07bigpimpin <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 210: </td> <td> Line 210: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ * I didn't think it looked much like her either or her brother, until I noticed the brother's profile picture on facebook was also one of the pictures on his myspace. From there I was able to make the logical connection. I posted the link to the brother because it was mentioned earlier that he was an identified accomplice, not just posting random family members here. But you guys are right that it probably is in poor taste to point people to their friends lists and could negatively effect a police investigation. I appologize, should I remove the links? --["Users/bigpimpin"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 10:05:12EBT(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 200: </td> <td> Line 200: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Not sure if it matters much at this point with all the info and exposure that this has gotten and since their profiles a set to private, but here is her <span>facebook,<br> - </span>http://www.facebook.com/p<span>rofile.php?id=</span>100000158196524<span>&amp;v=wall&amp;ref=search#!/profile.php?id=100000158196524&amp;v=info&amp;ref=search<br> - and here is her brother's</span>,<br> <span>- </span>http://www.facebook.com/p<span>rofile.php?id=100000158196524&amp;v=wall&amp;ref=search#!/profile.php?id=</span>100000437336178<span>&amp;ref=sgm</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> Not sure if it matters much at this point with all the info and exposure that this has gotten and since their profiles a set to private, but here is her <span>[</span>http://www.facebook.com/p<span>eople/Jill-Johnson/</span>100000158196524<span>&nbsp;facebook]</span>,<br> <span>+ and here is her [</span>http://www.facebook.com/p<span>eople/Scott-Johansten/</span>100000437336178<span>&nbsp;brother's]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 09:57:50EdWinsagreed <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 208: </td> <td> Line 208: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * This is pretty interesting. You can still see and message her 20 friends. Could someone send a facebook message to each of them with a link to the articles about her crimes? Make sure it's a throwaway account, because she will probably have someone come and burglarize your house or harass you in retribution. -EdwardNiemand<br> <span>-</span> *<span>&nbsp;Forget talking to her friends. She's friends with family members on there...I'm sure that will throw a wrench back at her. (Susan Hogan Johnson, Christine Johnson-Sadowski&gt; There's also a Nick, Joe, Leigh and Lezlie Johnson ). Her brother, as noted, is listed as Scott Johansten. If someone were to message those (likely) family members "About Jill" and link to the news articles and this page...... I'm sure at least one person will look into it. ''edit for: This information is available to anyone online; all the listed facebook members above had that information accessible to the public''. On second look, she's listed "Parents:Joe Johnson". Yup...''someone'' should do it.<br> - </span> That doesn't look like her to me, and the parents are listed as living across the country. Wiki users should be very careful at targeting unconfirmed people, especially at the advice of an anonymous DavisWiki user. I think publishing names of family members is irresponsible too unless you know for 100% sure you're correct. Doesn't look like it to me in this case. -MIK </td> <td> <span>+ </span> * This is pretty interesting. You can still see and message her 20 friends. Could someone send a facebook message to each of them with a link to the articles about her crimes? Make sure it's a throwaway account, because she will probably have someone come and burglarize your house or harass you in retribution. -EdwardNiemand<br> <span>+ </span> * That doesn't look like her to me, and the parents are listed as living across the country. Wiki users should be very careful at targeting unconfirmed people, especially at the advice of an anonymous DavisWiki user. I think publishing names of family members is irresponsible too unless you know for 100% sure you're correct. Doesn't look like it to me in this case. -MIK </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 212: </td> <td> Line 211: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> -</span> It is important to use discretion and caution in a matter like this. If users start contacting friends and relatives it could have negative consequences that were not foreseen. Best to give the police time to handle this matter. --["Users/DagonJones"] </td> <td> <span>+ *</span> It is important to use discretion and caution in a matter like this. If users start contacting friends and relatives it could have negative consequences that were not foreseen. Best to give the police time to handle this matter. --["Users/DagonJones"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 09:42:56DagonJones <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 212: </td> <td> Line 212: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> It is important to use discretion and caution in a matter like this. If users start contacting friends and relatives it could have negative consequences that were not foreseen. Best to give the police time to handle this matter. --["Users/DagonJones"] </td> <td> <span>+ <br> +</span> It is important to use discretion and caution in a matter like this. If users start contacting friends and relatives it could have negative consequences that were not foreseen. Best to give the police time to handle this matter. --["Users/DagonJones"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 09:42:01DagonJones <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 212: </td> <td> Line 212: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ It is important to use discretion and caution in a matter like this. If users start contacting friends and relatives it could have negative consequences that were not foreseen. Best to give the police time to handle this matter. --["Users/DagonJones"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 09:33:35ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 211: </td> <td> Line 211: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Regardless of whether it's her or whether the information is available online, I think it's in poor taste to list the names of her family on the wiki. They are likely innocent, and yet they could become the targets of harassment now. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 08:57:20MIK <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 210: </td> <td> Line 210: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> That doesn't look like her to me, and the parents are listed as living across the country. <span>People</span> should be very careful at targeting unconfirmed people, especially at the advice of a anonymous DavisWiki user. I think publishing names of family members is irresponsible too unless you know for 100% sure you're correct. Doesn't look like it to me in this case. -MIK </td> <td> <span>+</span> That doesn't look like her to me, and the parents are listed as living across the country. <span>Wiki users</span> should be very careful at targeting unconfirmed people, especially at the advice of a<span>n</span> anonymous DavisWiki user. I think publishing names of family members is irresponsible too unless you know for 100% sure you're correct. Doesn't look like it to me in this case. -MIK </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 08:56:21MIK <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 210: </td> <td> Line 210: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ That doesn't look like her to me, and the parents are listed as living across the country. People should be very careful at targeting unconfirmed people, especially at the advice of a anonymous DavisWiki user. I think publishing names of family members is irresponsible too unless you know for 100% sure you're correct. Doesn't look like it to me in this case. -MIK<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 08:28:44EdWinslists her father...someone message him? Does he know? <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 209: </td> <td> Line 209: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * Forget talking to her friends. She's friends with family members on there...I'm sure that will throw a wrench back at her. (Susan Hogan Johnson, Christine Johnson-Sadowski&gt; There's also a Nick, Joe, Leigh and Lezlie Johnson ). Her brother, as noted, is listed as Scott Johansten. If someone were to message those (likely) family members "About Jill" and link to the news articles and this page...... I'm sure at least one person will look into it. ''edit for: This information is available to anyone online; all the listed facebook members above had that information accessible to the public'' </td> <td> <span>+</span> * Forget talking to her friends. She's friends with family members on there...I'm sure that will throw a wrench back at her. (Susan Hogan Johnson, Christine Johnson-Sadowski&gt; There's also a Nick, Joe, Leigh and Lezlie Johnson ). Her brother, as noted, is listed as Scott Johansten. If someone were to message those (likely) family members "About Jill" and link to the news articles and this page...... I'm sure at least one person will look into it. ''edit for: This information is available to anyone online; all the listed facebook members above had that information accessible to the public''<span>. On second look, she's listed "Parents:Joe Johnson". Yup...''someone'' should do it.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 08:24:35EdWinsuncomfortable naming people <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 209: </td> <td> Line 209: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * Forget talking to her friends. She's friends with family members on there...I'm sure that will throw a wrench back at her. (Susan Hogan Johnson, Christine Johnson-Sadowski&gt; There's also a Nick, Joe, Leigh and Lezlie Johnson ). Her brother, as noted, is listed as Scott Johansten. If someone were to message those (likely) family members "About Jill" and link to the news articles and this page...... I'm sure at least one person will look into it. </td> <td> <span>+</span> * Forget talking to her friends. She's friends with family members on there...I'm sure that will throw a wrench back at her. (Susan Hogan Johnson, Christine Johnson-Sadowski&gt; There's also a Nick, Joe, Leigh and Lezlie Johnson ). Her brother, as noted, is listed as Scott Johansten. If someone were to message those (likely) family members "About Jill" and link to the news articles and this page...... I'm sure at least one person will look into it.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;''edit for: This information is available to anyone online; all the listed facebook members above had that information accessible to the public''</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 08:22:00EdWinsno, seriously. someone contact them &lt;.&lt; <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 209: </td> <td> Line 209: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Forget talking to her friends. She's friends with family members on there...I'm sure that will throw a wrench back at her. (Susan Hogan Johnson, Christine Johnson-Sadowski&gt; There's also a Nick, Joe, Leigh and Lezlie Johnson ). Her brother, as noted, is listed as Scott Johansten. If someone were to message those (likely) family members "About Jill" and link to the news articles and this page...... I'm sure at least one person will look into it.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 07:41:18EdwardNiemand(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 208: </td> <td> Line 208: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * This is pretty interesting. You can still see and message her 20 friends. Could someone send a facebook message to each of them with a link to the articles about her crimes? Make sure it's a throwaway account, because she will probably have someone come and burglarize your house or harass you in retribution. -EdwardNiemand<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-02 02:51:47bigpimpin <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 199: </td> <td> Line 199: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + Not sure if it matters much at this point with all the info and exposure that this has gotten and since their profiles a set to private, but here is her facebook,<br> + http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000158196524&amp;v=wall&amp;ref=search#!/profile.php?id=100000158196524&amp;v=info&amp;ref=search<br> + and here is her brother's,<br> + http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000158196524&amp;v=wall&amp;ref=search#!/profile.php?id=100000437336178&amp;ref=sgm<br> + Notice his name is slightly altered. Also, her profile picture is interesting... wondering if it's from a real contest or not...<br> + I'm sure someone could find more if they wanted to waste the time to dig through their friend lists and the public profiles/look for profiles of accomplices.<br> + Also, evil or not, I would totally bang crying girl. Ok, maybe I'd have to paper bag it or tape her mouth shut so I didn't have to hear that annoying voice, but ya get the idea :P --["Users/bigpimpin"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 23:22:25ScottMeehleibdeleted references to girl on Hawaiian modeling site <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 180: </td> <td> Line 180: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-05-27 17:28:10'' 2010). [[nbsp]] Everyone who've been scammed by her, please see [http://honoluluheadshots.com/blogged/index.php/2010/01/honolulu-headshots-presents-amber-scoggins/ this link]. Personally, having been scammed by her, I think it's her, I recognize the shape of her month when she speaks and it looks very similar to the pictures. Also photography and make up do wonders to people's face. These pictures were taken in January, and in a few months time, one could certainly have plumped up one's face. Also the details matching the comments from the Davis Voice - her name being Amber, how her scammed money paid for her "beautiful portfolio" (from the paid protrait company), her acting job in Hawaii, etc. I'd even e-mail her modeling agency of them possibily hiring a criminal. ["RedT"]<br> - <br> - * I'm thinking that is not her, unfortunately. If you open up a 2nd windows and do a side by side, you can make out the differences. Besides the plumpness issue of crying girl, the Scroggins girl's hair line is all different too, she has a widows peak and the crying girl doesn't. The crying girl's hair line is a little further back as well. And the nose doesn't fit either. The crying girl's nose is pushed up and a little "piggier." (Was it rude of me to say it like that? sorry crying girl.) The name and modeling stuff is compelling, but I'm going to say its not her. -- JamesMadden<br> - * It would be a shame if the girl in the Hawaii pictures lost some work because you decided to tell the agency she might be a criminal. It seems pretty obvious that it's not the same girl. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 23:05:41EBT(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 39: </td> <td> Line 39: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * As of 11pm (6/1), it is the most popular story on the Aggie's website.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 22:54:45CovertProfessor(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 40: </td> <td> Line 40: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''Great sadness.''</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ''Great sadness. The newsreporter on the video got it right most of the time, but did mess it up once or twice.''</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 18:48:35EBTorganized it a bit <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 24: </td> <td> Line 24: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" (aka:<span>&nbsp;</span> '''Jillian "Jill" Johnson''') is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a dark haired girl who has dyed her hair reddish blond who sometimes wears heavy, tear-smeared make-up. She frequents the downtown area or grocery stores, both during the day and at night. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy. Reportedly, she has also very recently begun telling people a new story wherein she purports to be homeless. Additionally, she usually has backup with her, often in the form of a waiting car ('''black Chevy Tahoe with a plate number of 4GDY921''') with a male driver. Other people have also reported a female accomplice with a red Toyota. She is also very aggressive if you make her mad. She is apparently 20 years old and lives in Vacaville with her boyfriend and his mom. </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" (aka: '''Jillian "Jill" Johnson''') is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a dark haired girl who has dyed her hair reddish blond who sometimes wears heavy, tear-smeared make-up. She frequents the downtown area or grocery stores, both during the day and at night. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy. Reportedly, she has also very recently begun telling people a new story wherein she purports to be homeless. Additionally, she usually has backup with her, often in the form of a waiting car ('''black Chevy Tahoe with a plate number of 4GDY921''') with a male driver. Other people have also reported a female accomplice with a red Toyota. She is also very aggressive if you make her mad. She is apparently 20 years old and lives in Vacaville with her boyfriend and his mom. </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 32: </td> <td> Line 32: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> 2010-05-19 [http://www.davisvoice.com/2010/05/crying-girl-grifter-at-large-in-davis/ Crying Girl Grifter at Large in Davis] on ["The Davis Voice"]<br> <span>- </span> UP<span>DATE: Someone purporting to be the Crying Girl Grifter commented on this blog post with an ip address</span> from Vacaville.<br> <span>- </span> U<span>PDATE</span>: Another commenter just left a possible identification.<br> <span>- </span> UPD<span>ATE: A del</span>u<span>ge of new information popped up recently in the comments including a name, age and Myspace photo gallery</span>.<br> <span>- <br> -</span> 2010-05-30 The ["Davis Enterprise"] published an [http://www.davisenterprise.com/story.php?id=101.5 article] and our photo in the Sunday edition, here's the [http://www.davisenterprise.com/archive_pdfs/2010/20100530/PDFS/a3.pdf PDF link].<br> <span>- <br> -</span> 2010-05-31 ["KOVR"] aired a [http://cbs13.com/local/davis.crying.girl.2.1725421.html story] on her.<br> <span>- <br> -</span> 2010-06-01 ["The California Aggie" The Aggie] has [http://theaggie.org/article/2010/06/01/local-con-artist-targets-students-residents picked up the story] as well.<br> <span>- <br> -</span> 2010-06-01 ["KXTV"] News10 aired a story this morning. Both the [http://www.news10.net/news/article.aspx?storyid=82568&amp;provider=top&amp;catid=188 story and video] referred to the wiki as ''Davis' Wikipedia''.<br> <span>-</span> ''Great sadness.'' </td> <td> <span>+ *</span> 2010-05-19 [http://www.davisvoice.com/2010/05/crying-girl-grifter-at-large-in-davis/ Crying Girl Grifter at Large in Davis] on ["The Davis Voice"]<br> <span>+ *</span> U<span>pdate: Someone purporting to be the Crying Girl Grifter commented on this blog post with an ["I</span>P<span>&nbsp;addresses" IP address]</span> from Vacaville.<br> <span>+ *</span> U<span>pdate 2</span>: Another commenter just left a possible identification.<br> <span>+ *</span> U<span>pdate 3: A deluge of new information popped up recently in the comments; most notably, [http://www.myspace.com/jmodelj her MySpace] and a related [http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.view</span>P<span>icture&amp;friendI</span>D<span>=63787300&amp;alb</span>u<span>mId=1689152 photo gallery]</span>.<br> <span>+ *</span> 2010-05-30 The ["Davis Enterprise"] published an [http://www.davisenterprise.com/story.php?id=101.5 article] and our photo in the Sunday edition, here's the [http://www.davisenterprise.com/archive_pdfs/2010/20100530/PDFS/a3.pdf PDF link].<br> <span>+ *</span> 2010-05-31 ["KOVR"] aired a [http://cbs13.com/local/davis.crying.girl.2.1725421.html story] on her.<br> <span>+ *</span> 2010-06-01 ["The California Aggie" The Aggie] has [http://theaggie.org/article/2010/06/01/local-con-artist-targets-students-residents picked up the story] as well.<br> <span>+ *</span> 2010-06-01 ["KXTV"] News10 aired a story this morning. Both the [http://www.news10.net/news/article.aspx?storyid=82568&amp;provider=top&amp;catid=188 story and video] referred to the wiki as ''Davis' Wikipedia''.<br> <span>+ </span> ''Great sadness.'' </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 17:39:32CovertProfessor(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 44: </td> <td> Line 44: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ''Great sadness.''</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 17:12:02EBTgiggle/facepalm <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 43: </td> <td> Line 43: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> 2010-06-01 ["KXTV"] News10 aired a story <span>about the Cry</span>ing<span>&nbsp;Girl this morning</span> [http://www.news10.net/news/article.aspx?storyid=82568&amp;provider=top&amp;catid=188 story and video]<span>.</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> 2010-06-01 ["KXTV"] News10 aired a story <span>this morn</span>ing<span>. Both the</span> [http://www.news10.net/news/article.aspx?storyid=82568&amp;provider=top&amp;catid=188 story and video]<span>&nbsp;referred to the wiki as ''Davis' Wikipedia''.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 16:43:58TonyAhr <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 42: </td> <td> Line 42: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + 2010-06-01 ["KXTV"] News10 aired a story about the Crying Girl this morning [http://www.news10.net/news/article.aspx?storyid=82568&amp;provider=top&amp;catid=188 story and video].</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 14:07:19ScottMeehleibI'm reverting this back unless you have more info <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 18: </td> <td> Line 18: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> [[Image(CryingGirlWithFriends3.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300 "The Crying Girl and <span>tw</span>o of her accomplices<span>&nbsp;(a brother, and a boyfriend)</span> as shown on her brother's myspace page")]] </td> <td> <span>+</span> [[Image(CryingGirlWithFriends3.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300 "The Crying Girl and o<span>ne</span> of her accomplices as shown on her brother's myspace page")]] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 13:59:24EBTelevator service <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 202: </td> <td> Line 202: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-06-01 13:43:19'' [[nbsp]] Crying girl approached me twice in one night a few months ago. I felt like there was something fishy about the situation. I thought she was trippin on drugs. When she first approached me on the corner of F and 3rd Street she pulled the whole homeless pitch, needing a train ticket to get to her mom in San Diego. I gave her a dollar from my wallet and told her that was all I had. She pointed at my ATM card and proceeded to ask me to get her more money. I said no way. She got more aggressive telling me there is an atm across the street and she will walk with me. I said no way and walked away. After spending a few hours in Bistro I proceeded to walk back to my car in the parking lot near kinkos/fed ex. She approached me a second time and pulled the same story. I told her she already approached me that night. She told me no she didnt, the jacket she was wearing was just the same as lots. I said no. She wailed into the air PLEASE and tripped over a curb. At this point I thought she was coming off some drug induced high and was desperate for money to buy more drugs. Who knew she was an actual con artist. Karma will come back and get her and when she needs help most no one will be there. --["Users/melibelly83"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 260: </td> <td> Line 262: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-06-01 13:43:19'' [[nbsp]] Crying girl approached me twice in one night a few months ago. I felt like there was something fishy about the situation. I thought she was trippin on drugs. When she first approached me on the corner of F and 3rd Street she pulled the whole homeless pitch, needing a train ticket to get to her mom in San Diego. I gave her a dollar from my wallet and told her that was all I had. She pointed at my ATM card and proceeded to ask me to get her more money. I said no way. She got more aggressive telling me there is an atm across the street and she will walk with me. I said no way and walked away. After spending a few hours in Bistro I proceeded to walk back to my car in the parking lot near kinkos/fed ex. She approached me a second time and pulled the same story. I told her she already approached me that night. She told me no she didnt, the jacket she was wearing was just the same as lots. I said no. She wailed into the air PLEASE and tripped over a curb. At this point I thought she was coming off some drug induced high and was desperate for money to buy more drugs. Who knew she was an actual con artist. Karma will come back and get her and when she needs help most no one will be there. --["Users/melibelly83"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 13:43:19melibelly83Comment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 260: </td> <td> Line 260: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-06-01 13:43:19'' [[nbsp]] Crying girl approached me twice in one night a few months ago. I felt like there was something fishy about the situation. I thought she was trippin on drugs. When she first approached me on the corner of F and 3rd Street she pulled the whole homeless pitch, needing a train ticket to get to her mom in San Diego. I gave her a dollar from my wallet and told her that was all I had. She pointed at my ATM card and proceeded to ask me to get her more money. I said no way. She got more aggressive telling me there is an atm across the street and she will walk with me. I said no way and walked away. After spending a few hours in Bistro I proceeded to walk back to my car in the parking lot near kinkos/fed ex. She approached me a second time and pulled the same story. I told her she already approached me that night. She told me no she didnt, the jacket she was wearing was just the same as lots. I said no. She wailed into the air PLEASE and tripped over a curb. At this point I thought she was coming off some drug induced high and was desperate for money to buy more drugs. Who knew she was an actual con artist. Karma will come back and get her and when she needs help most no one will be there. --["Users/melibelly83"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 13:41:49EdWins(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 18: </td> <td> Line 18: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> [[Image(CryingGirlWithFriends3.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300 "The Crying Girl and o<span>ne</span> of her accomplices as shown on her brother's myspace page")]] </td> <td> <span>+</span> [[Image(CryingGirlWithFriends3.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300 "The Crying Girl and <span>tw</span>o of her accomplices<span>&nbsp;(a brother, and a boyfriend)</span> as shown on her brother's myspace page")]] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 13:24:37EBT(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 231: </td> <td> Line 231: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * This is the old W<span>hite Van Speaker Scam - http</span>:<span>//en</span>.<span>wikipedia.org/wiki/White_van_speaker_scam</span> Like most scams, it's been around for years. I remember walking to lunch with a friend of mine in Berkeley about 20 years ago. We were stopped by guys in a real white van and they tried to sell us their speakers. We sent them to Meyers Sound just down the street. Told them that lots of hippie musicians worked there and would probably all be interested in their speakers. It's also common for wised-up victims to perpetuate the scam by selling their overpriced speakers on Craigslist for what they paid for them. --["users/jimstewart"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * This is the old <span>[wiki:</span>W<span>ikipedia</span>:<span>"White van speaker scam"]</span>. Like most scams, it's been around for years. I remember walking to lunch with a friend of mine in Berkeley about 20 years ago. We were stopped by guys in a real white van and they tried to sell us their speakers. We sent them to Meyers Sound just down the street. Told them that lots of hippie musicians worked there and would probably all be interested in their speakers. It's also common for wised-up victims to perpetuate the scam by selling their overpriced speakers on Craigslist for what they paid for them. --["users/jimstewart"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 12:58:24JimStewartRemoved redundant comment <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 260: </td> <td> Line 260: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-06-01 12:49:43'' [[nbsp]] White van speaker scam --["Users/JimStewart"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 12:56:47ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p>No differences found!</div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 12:56:39ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 201: </td> <td> Line 201: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ *Well, if the police have no official report of assault, it would go a long way to help explain why no action has been taken. The recent news articles make it pretty clear, that without any documentation of assault, the police position is that she can't be arrested. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 12:53:59JimStewart <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 230: </td> <td> Line 230: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * This is the old White Van Speaker Scam - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_van_speaker_scam Like most scams, it's been around for years. I remember walking to lunch with a friend of mine in Berkeley about 20 years ago. We were stopped by guys in a real white van and they tried to sell us their speakers. We sent them to Meyers Sound just down the street. Told them that lots of hippie musicians worked there and would probably all be interested in their speakers.<span><br> -</span> It's also common for wised-up victims to perpetuate the scam by selling their overpriced speakers on Craigslist for what they paid for them. --["users/jimstewart"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * This is the old White Van Speaker Scam - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_van_speaker_scam Like most scams, it's been around for years. I remember walking to lunch with a friend of mine in Berkeley about 20 years ago. We were stopped by guys in a real white van and they tried to sell us their speakers. We sent them to Meyers Sound just down the street. Told them that lots of hippie musicians worked there and would probably all be interested in their speakers. It's also common for wised-up victims to perpetuate the scam by selling their overpriced speakers on Craigslist for what they paid for them. --["users/jimstewart"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 12:52:40JimStewartWhite van speaker scam <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 230: </td> <td> Line 230: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * This is the old White Van Speaker Scam - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_van_speaker_scam Like most scams, it's been around for years. I remember walking to lunch with a friend of mine in Berkeley about 20 years ago. We were stopped by guys in a real white van and they tried to sell us their speakers. We sent them to Meyers Sound just down the street. Told them that lots of hippie musicians worked there and would probably all be interested in their speakers.<br> + It's also common for wised-up victims to perpetuate the scam by selling their overpriced speakers on Craigslist for what they paid for them. --["users/jimstewart"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 12:49:43JimStewartComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 257: </td> <td> Line 257: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-06-01 12:49:43'' [[nbsp]] White van speaker scam --["Users/JimStewart"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 12:25:45JamesMaddenrelinking picture <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 18: </td> <td> Line 18: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> [[Image(CryingGirlWithFriends<span>1</span>.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300 "The Crying Girl and <span>tw</span>o of her accomplices as shown on her brother's myspace page")]] </td> <td> <span>+</span> [[Image(CryingGirlWithFriends<span>3</span>.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300 "The Crying Girl and o<span>ne</span> of her accomplices as shown on her brother's myspace page")]] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 12:24:08JamesMaddenUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&do=view&target=CryingGirlWithFriends3.jpg">CryingGirlWithFriends3.jpg</a>.Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 12:22:26JamesMaddenUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&do=view&target=CryingGirlWithFriends2.jpg">CryingGirlWithFriends2.jpg</a>.Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 12:17:36EBTlink so people can check themselves (confirmed) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 24: </td> <td> Line 24: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" (aka: '''Jillian "Jill" Johnson''') is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a dark haired girl who has dyed her hair reddish blond who sometimes wears heavy, tear-smeared make-up. She frequents the downtown area or grocery stores, both during the day and at night. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy. Reportedly, she has also very recently begun telling people a new story wherein she purports to be homeless. Additionally, she usually has backup with her, often in the form of a waiting car ('''black Chevy <span>suburban/t</span>ahoe with a plate number of 4GDY921''') with a male driver. Other people have also reported a female accomplice with a red Toyota. She is also very aggressive if you make her mad. She is apparently 20 years old and lives in Vacaville with her boyfriend and his mom. </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" (aka: '''Jillian "Jill" Johnson''') is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a dark haired girl who has dyed her hair reddish blond who sometimes wears heavy, tear-smeared make-up. She frequents the downtown area or grocery stores, both during the day and at night. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy. Reportedly, she has also very recently begun telling people a new story wherein she purports to be homeless. Additionally, she usually has backup with her, often in the form of a waiting car ('''black Chevy <span>T</span>ahoe with a plate number of 4GDY921''') with a male driver. Other people have also reported a female accomplice with a red Toyota. She is also very aggressive if you make her mad. She is apparently 20 years old and lives in Vacaville with her boyfriend and his mom. </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 151: </td> <td> Line 151: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * I got a hit. California Smog Check database IDs the car as a 1999 Chevrolet Tahoe with 4-doors. --["Users/HarrisonM"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * I got a hit.<span>&nbsp;[http://data.fresnobeehive.com/air/smogck.php</span> California Smog Check database<span>]</span> IDs the car as a 1999 Chevrolet Tahoe with 4-doors. --["Users/HarrisonM"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 12:15:22HarrisonM <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 151: </td> <td> Line 151: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I got a hit. California Smog Check database IDs the car as a 1999 Chevrolet Tahoe with 4-doors. --["Users/HarrisonM"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 12:12:54JamesMaddenadding name, integrating <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 196: </td> <td> Line 196: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-06-01 08:44:06'' [[nbsp]] Scott Johnson, the robber? [http://fugitive.com/archives/14798 Check this out]. He was wanted for credit union robberies, considered armed and dangerous. $250,000 warrant for his arrest as of Nov 2009. The [http://fugitive.com/archives/15528 followup], turned himself in in December. Booked on three counts of bank robbery and one count of attempted robbery. Good to see he's moved up in the world. More seriously, isn't what he's doing with his sister some sort of violation? I know James filed called the police about the girl, but if this is the same guy that was spraying "deodorant mace" and threatening him...can't the police do anything about that? --["Users/EdWins"]<br> + *I can see why the cops didn't do anything about the "deodorant mace" incident, but I think throwing the concrete slab would have got her arrested. Did anybody ever put that in a police report? By the way, if he's a bank robber who was arrested in late 2009, doesn't it seem a bit early for him to be out of prison to help his sister with this? Somehow I find it hard to believe that he was able to scrounge up $250,000 for bail money. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> + * After looking through the links above, I'll concede, her brother may not have been one of the accomplices I encountered at Kinkos last month. I was pretty preoccupied with the skinny guy (Caleb) and the second person seemed a little scared and held back a bit. The body type and size was approximately right, but I shouldn't confirm him outright. The skinny kid was DEFINITELY there. He's the deodorant mace guy. I'd testify against him. The police, btw, should have a record of the rock throwing. They've been getting a bit of bad press out of this, so hopefully they'll step it up now. In the meantime, I'll update the picture. -- ["users/JamesMadden"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 253: </td> <td> Line 256: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-06-01 08:44:06'' [[nbsp]] Scott Johnson, the robber? [http://fugitive.com/archives/14798 Check this out]. He was wanted for credit union robberies, considered armed and dangerous. $250,000 warrant for his arrest as of Nov 2009. The [http://fugitive.com/archives/15528 followup], turned himself in in December. Booked on three counts of bank robbery and one count of attempted robbery. Good to see he's moved up in the world. More seriously, isn't what he's doing with his sister some sort of violation? I know James filed called the police about the girl, but if this is the same guy that was spraying "deodorant mace" and threatening him...can't the police do anything about that? --["Users/EdWins"]<br> - *I can see why the cops didn't do anything about the "deodorant mace" incident, but I think throwing the concrete slab would have got her arrested. Did anybody ever put that in a police report? By the way, if he's a bank robber who was arrested in late 2009, doesn't it seem a bit early for him to be out of prison to help his sister with this? Somehow I find it hard to believe that he was able to scrounge up $250,000 for bail money. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> - * After looking through the links above, I'll concede, her brother may not have been one of the accomplices I encountered at Kinkos last month. I was pretty preoccupied with the skinny guy (Caleb) and the second person seemed a little scared and held back a bit. The body type and size was approximately right, but I shouldn't confirm him outright. The skinny kid was DEFINITELY there. He's the deodorant mace guy. I'd testify against him. The police, btw, should have a record of the rock throwing. They've been getting a bit of bad press out of this, so hopefully they'll step it up now. In the meantime, I'll update the picture.</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 12:10:24JamesMaddenI should probably fix this. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 256: </td> <td> Line 256: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * After looking through the links above, I'll concede, her brother may not have been one of the accomplices I encountered at Kinkos last month. I was pretty preoccupied with the skinny guy (Caleb) and the second person seemed a little scared and held back a bit. The body type and size was approximately right, but I shouldn't confirm him outright. The skinny kid was DEFINITELY there. He's the deodorant mace guy. I'd testify against him. The police, btw, should have a record of the rock throwing. They've been getting a bit of bad press out of this, so hopefully they'll step it up now. In the meantime, I'll update the picture.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 11:39:14LeeY <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 195: </td> <td> Line 195: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Yes, amazing!! Now hopefully all these media attention would encourage the DPD to act - according to the news articles they can't do anything unless an officer caught her on the act (and it's has to be violent?) I don't understand..</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 11:21:12EdwardNiemand(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 194: </td> <td> Line 194: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Incredible detective work, all of you. We now know her name is possibly Jill Johnson. I never imagined, when making this page and writing the blurb about this woman, that my little article would get on the news, in the newspaper, and arouse the entire wiki-detective squad to ferret her out. Amazing. Daviswiki is simply amazing. - Edward Niemand.<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 11:11:40JoePomidor(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 200: </td> <td> Line 200: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2010-06-01 11:03:56'' [[nbsp]] Oakland Train Guy at it again on G Street and 2nd, Sunday 5/30 around 6pm --["<span>"</span>Users/Byron"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2010-06-01 11:03:56'' [[nbsp]] Oakland Train Guy at it again on G Street and 2nd, Sunday 5/30 around 6pm --["Users/Byron"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 11:11:23JoePomidorIf you don't want to stand behind your fake internet name, just delete it. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 200: </td> <td> Line 200: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2010-06-01 11:03:56'' [[nbsp]] Oakland Train Guy at it again on G Street and 2nd, Sunday 5/30 around 6pm --["<span>d</span>o<span>lly pb</span>"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2010-06-01 11:03:56'' [[nbsp]] Oakland Train Guy at it again on G Street and 2nd, Sunday 5/30 around 6pm --["<span>"Users/Byr</span>o<span>n</span>"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 11:06:56Byron <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 199: </td> <td> Line 199: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> <span>------</span><br> <span>-</span> ''2010-06-01 11:03:56'' [[nbsp]] Oakland Train Guy at it again on G Street and 2nd, Sunday 5/30 around 6pm --["<span>Users/</span>d<span>irt</span>"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> <br> <span>+</span> ''2010-06-01 11:03:56'' [[nbsp]] Oakland Train Guy at it again on G Street and 2nd, Sunday 5/30 around 6pm --["d<span>olly pb</span>"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 11:05:33Byron <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 199: </td> <td> Line 199: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-06-01 11:03:56'' [[nbsp]] Oakland Train Guy at it again on G Street and 2nd, Sunday 5/30 around 6pm --["Users/dirt"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 250: </td> <td> Line 253: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-06-01 11:03:56'' [[nbsp]] Oakland Train Guy at it again on G Street and 2nd, Sunday 5/30 around 6pm --["Users/Byron"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 11:03:56ByronComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 250: </td> <td> Line 250: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-06-01 11:03:56'' [[nbsp]] Oakland Train Guy at it again on G Street and 2nd, Sunday 5/30 around 6pm --["Users/Byron"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 10:49:02ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 183: </td> <td> Line 183: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * It would be a shame if the girl in the Hawaii pictures lost some work because you decided to tell the agency she might be a criminal. It seems pretty obvious that it's not the same girl. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 10:05:39ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 248: </td> <td> Line 248: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> *I can see why the cops didn't do anything about the "deodorant mace" incident, but I think throwing the concrete slab would have got her arrested. Did anybody ever put that in a police report? --["Users/ScottMeehleib"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> *I can see why the cops didn't do anything about the "deodorant mace" incident, but I think throwing the concrete slab would have got her arrested. Did anybody ever put that in a police report?<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;By the way, if he's a bank robber who was arrested in late 2009, doesn't it seem a bit early for him to be out of prison to help his sister with this? Somehow I find it hard to believe that he was able to scrounge up $250,000 for bail money. </span> --["Users/ScottMeehleib"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 09:58:47ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 248: </td> <td> Line 248: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ *I can see why the cops didn't do anything about the "deodorant mace" incident, but I think throwing the concrete slab would have got her arrested. Did anybody ever put that in a police report? --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 08:46:42EdWins(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 247: </td> <td> Line 247: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2010-06-01 08:44:06'' [[nbsp]] Scott Johnson, the robber? [http://fugitive.com/archives/14798 Check this out]. He was wanted for credit union robberies, considered armed and dangerous. $250,000 warrant for his arrest as of Nov 2009. Good to see he's moved up in the world. --["Users/EdWins"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2010-06-01 08:44:06'' [[nbsp]] Scott Johnson, the robber? [http://fugitive.com/archives/14798 Check this out]. He was wanted for credit union robberies, considered armed and dangerous. $250,000 warrant for his arrest as of Nov 2009. <span>The [http://fugitive.com/archives/15528 followup], turned himself in in December. Booked on three counts of bank robbery and one count of attempted robbery. </span>Good to see he's moved up in the world.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;More seriously, isn't what he's doing with his sister some sort of violation? I know James filed called the police about the girl, but if this is the same guy that was spraying "deodorant mace" and threatening him...can't the police do anything about that?</span> --["Users/EdWins"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 08:44:07EdWinsComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 246: </td> <td> Line 246: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-06-01 08:44:06'' [[nbsp]] Scott Johnson, the robber? [http://fugitive.com/archives/14798 Check this out]. He was wanted for credit union robberies, considered armed and dangerous. $250,000 warrant for his arrest as of Nov 2009. Good to see he's moved up in the world. --["Users/EdWins"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 08:11:12EBTmoving comment up. (Also: LOLOL awsm) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 190: </td> <td> Line 190: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-06-01 00:37:40'' [[nbsp]] Hey I found another lead... check out [http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&amp;friendID=63787300&amp;albumId=1689152 her brother's myspace]. She's in this album. Apparently her brother is a bad apple too -- arrested for robbing banks in the area. Lovely family. --["Users/GregMed"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 243: </td> <td> Line 246: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ------<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-06-01 00:37:40'' [[nbsp]] Hey I found another lead... check out her brother's myspace (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&amp;friendID=63787300&amp;albumId=1689152) She's in this album. Apparently her brother is a bad apple too -- arrested for robbing banks in the area. Lovely family. --["Users/GregMed"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 07:53:29JamesMaddenadding picture with names of accomplices <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 18: </td> <td> Line 18: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> [[Image(CryingGirlWithFriends.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300 "The Crying Girl and two of her accomplices as shown on her brother's myspace page")]] </td> <td> <span>+</span> [[Image(CryingGirlWithFriends<span>1</span>.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300 "The Crying Girl and two of her accomplices as shown on her brother's myspace page")]] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 07:51:59JamesMaddenUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&do=view&target=CryingGirlWithFriends1.jpg">CryingGirlWithFriends1.jpg</a>.Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 07:44:35JamesMaddenadding myspace picture <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 18: </td> <td> Line 18: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ [[Image(CryingGirlWithFriends.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300 "The Crying Girl and two of her accomplices as shown on her brother's myspace page")]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 07:39:48JamesMaddenUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&do=view&target=CryingGirlWithFriends.jpg">CryingGirlWithFriends.jpg</a>.Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 07:34:54JamesMaddenadding new items from comments in the Davis Voice <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300, "The “Crying Girl" (aka: <span>Amber</span>) as confirmed below by various users. If you've been scammed by her too, let us know.")]] </td> <td> <span>+</span> [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300, "The “Crying Girl" (aka: <span>'''Jill Johnson'''</span>) as confirmed below by various users. If you've been scammed by her too, let us know.")]] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 23: </td> <td> Line 23: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> -<span>&nbsp;'''Scam:''' The "crying girl" (also identified below by her first name: Amber) is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a dar</span>k<span>&nbsp;haired girl who has dyed her hair reddish blond who sometimes wears heavy, tear</span>-<span>smeared make-up and who is aged approximately 16 to 20</span>. She frequents the downtown area or grocery stores, both during the day and at night. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy. Reportedly, she has also very recently begun telling people a new story wherein she purports to be homeless. Additionally, she usually has backup with her, often in the form of a waiting car ('''black Chevy suburban/tahoe with a plate number of 4GDY921''') with a male driver. Other people have also reported a female accomplice with a red Toyota. She is also very aggressive if you make her mad. </td> <td> <span>+ '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" (aka: '''Jillian "Jill" Johnson''') is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a dark haired girl who has dyed her hair reddish blond who sometimes wears heavy, tear</span>-<span>smeared ma</span>k<span>e</span>-<span>up</span>. She frequents the downtown area or grocery stores, both during the day and at night. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy. Reportedly, she has also very recently begun telling people a new story wherein she purports to be homeless. Additionally, she usually has backup with her, often in the form of a waiting car ('''black Chevy suburban/tahoe with a plate number of 4GDY921''') with a male driver. Other people have also reported a female accomplice with a red Toyota. She is also very aggressive if you make her mad.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;She is apparently 20 years old and lives in Vacaville with her boyfriend and his mom.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 34: </td> <td> Line 34: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ UPDATE: A deluge of new information popped up recently in the comments including a name, age and Myspace photo gallery.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 00:37:40GregMedComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 243: </td> <td> Line 243: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-06-01 00:37:40'' [[nbsp]] Hey I found another lead... check out her brother's myspace (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&amp;friendID=63787300&amp;albumId=1689152) She's in this album. Apparently her brother is a bad apple too -- arrested for robbing banks in the area. Lovely family. --["Users/GregMed"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 00:35:07GregMed <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 243: </td> <td> Line 243: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2010-06-01 00:34:04'' [[nbsp]] Hey I got another lead on the girl. Her brother apparently was just locked up for robbing banks in the area. http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&amp;friendID=63787300&amp;albumId=1689152<br> - Check out his myspace photos. That's her! (yes I guess people still use myspace). --["Users/GregMed"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-06-01 00:34:04GregMedComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 242: </td> <td> Line 242: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-06-01 00:34:04'' [[nbsp]] Hey I got another lead on the girl. Her brother apparently was just locked up for robbing banks in the area. http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&amp;friendID=63787300&amp;albumId=1689152<br> + Check out his myspace photos. That's her! (yes I guess people still use myspace). --["Users/GregMed"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-31 22:58:24EBT+the aggie <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 38: </td> <td> Line 38: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + 2010-06-01 ["The California Aggie" The Aggie] has [http://theaggie.org/article/2010/06/01/local-con-artist-targets-students-residents picked up the story] as well.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-31 22:44:37sweetMeliss <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 221: </td> <td> Line 221: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * This is a good strategy, or another good one is to give to a legitimate charity and then direct them to that charity. A fun one I learned from a friend is to buy McDonalds gift certificates (you can get them for $1) and give them out, or something similar. Also, I like to carry around dog treats in places where there are lots of homeless dogs. People seem really surprised when you hand them a dog treat, and the dog is definitely happy. From living in the middle of an enormous city for years, I make it a rule not to believe the stories that anyone tells me who randomly approaches me on the street, but I've noticed that in Davis it happens so rarely that people are frequently caught off guard. Don't worry about what happens if you don't help someone whose story you are unsure about--there are PLENTY of community resources and plenty of other people who they will ask after you. </td> <td> <span>+</span> * This is a good strategy, or another good one is to give to a legitimate charity and then direct them to that charity. A fun one I learned from a friend is to buy McDonalds gift certificates (you can get them for $1) and give them out, or something similar. Also, I like to carry around dog treats in places where there are lots of homeless dogs. People seem really surprised when you hand them a dog treat, and the dog is definitely happy. From living in the middle of an enormous city for years, I make it a rule not to believe the stories that anyone tells me who randomly approaches me on the street, but I've noticed that in Davis it happens so rarely that people are frequently caught off guard. Don't worry about what happens if you don't help someone whose story you are unsure about--there are PLENTY of community resources and plenty of other people who they will ask after you.<span>&nbsp;- ["Users/SweetMeliss"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-31 22:43:41sweetMeliss <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 221: </td> <td> Line 221: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * This is a good strategy, or another good one is to give to a legitimate charity and then direct them to that charity. A fun one I learned from a friend is to buy McDonalds gift certificates (you can get them for $1) and give them out, or something similar. Also, I like to carry around dog treats in places where there are lots of homeless dogs. People seem really surprised when you hand them a dog treat, and the dog is definitely happy. From living in the middle of an enormous city for years, I make it a rule not to believe the stories that anyone tells me who randomly approaches me on the street, but I've noticed that in Davis it happens so rarely that people are frequently caught off guard. Don't worry about what happens if you don't help someone whose story you are unsure about--there are PLENTY of community resources and plenty of other people who they will ask after you.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-31 20:55:52JamesMaddenadding KOVR story from this evening <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 36: </td> <td> Line 36: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + 2010-05-31 ["KOVR"] aired a [http://cbs13.com/local/davis.crying.girl.2.1725421.html story] on her.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-31 16:36:04StephanieRobinson <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 188: </td> <td> Line 188: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ *This guy stopped me on the street outside the ["G St. Pub"] on May 13 around 7:30pm. Tall, African American, and very friendly. He said he was stranded in Davis and needed a few bucks for a train back to Richmond (he showed me his driver's license too). That day, I was dressed like the average student, and it should've been pretty obvious that I didn't have money to be giving away to strangers. He wasn't stopping older professor-types who look like they actually have the money, and that made me suspicious. Just before this, I was also approached in the same spot by a Caucasian man asking for money for food, and when I pointed him toward ["Davis Community Meals"], he got angry and walked away. I don't mean to say anything bad about G St., but it seems to attract a lot of scammers. -["Users/StephanieRobinson"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-31 15:32:53EdWins <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 35: </td> <td> Line 35: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> 2010-05-30 The ["Davis Enterprise"] published an [http://www.davisenterprise.com/story.php?id=101.5 article] and our photo in the Sunday edition<span>.</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> 2010-05-30 The ["Davis Enterprise"] published an [http://www.davisenterprise.com/story.php?id=101.5 article] and our photo in the Sunday edition<span>, here's the [http://www.davisenterprise.com/archive_pdfs/2010/20100530/PDFS/a3.pdf PDF link].</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-31 15:13:21EBTmarketplace link <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 204: </td> <td> Line 204: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Who doesn't love free stuff? Well that's what these two shady characters are counting on when they drive around and offer you a free set of music speakers. The story is they just remodeled a house and they have these speakers left over, and you can have em. The men are both caucasian, in their late 20s or early 30s, one with black hair, one with reddish blonde hair and, if I recall, a goatee. They drive a late model black Ford Explorer or Expedition with Florida license plates. I have been solicited by them three times in the last couple years: first in front of the South Davis ["Safeway"], then at the Shell station/In-N-Out parking lot, and most recently in <span>the </span>["Marketplace"] parking lot. </td> <td> <span>+</span> Who doesn't love free stuff? Well that's what these two shady characters are counting on when they drive around and offer you a free set of music speakers. The story is they just remodeled a house and they have these speakers left over, and you can have em. The men are both caucasian, in their late 20s or early 30s, one with black hair, one with reddish blonde hair and, if I recall, a goatee. They drive a late model black Ford Explorer or Expedition with Florida license plates. I have been solicited by them three times in the last couple years: first in front of the South Davis ["Safeway"], then at the Shell station/In-N-Out parking lot, and most recently in ["<span>The </span>Marketplace"] parking lot.<span><br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-31 14:53:27ClarkVineyardAdded 'free music speakers' scam <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 203: </td> <td> Line 203: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ =Free Music Speakers=<br> + Who doesn't love free stuff? Well that's what these two shady characters are counting on when they drive around and offer you a free set of music speakers. The story is they just remodeled a house and they have these speakers left over, and you can have em. The men are both caucasian, in their late 20s or early 30s, one with black hair, one with reddish blonde hair and, if I recall, a goatee. They drive a late model black Ford Explorer or Expedition with Florida license plates. I have been solicited by them three times in the last couple years: first in front of the South Davis ["Safeway"], then at the Shell station/In-N-Out parking lot, and most recently in the ["Marketplace"] parking lot.<br> + The most recent time, I was loading groceries in my car when they pulled up, the blonde passenger rolled down his window, and asked me if I wanted free speakers. I told him I wasn't interested. He kept offering until I told him they had approached me in the past. The man paused and said, "and what happened?" I replied, "I don't know, what's supposed to happen?" and he said "I dunno, it's supposed to be fun" and directed his friend to move on and go to a different part of the lot. --["Users/ClarkVineyard"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-31 12:41:04JamesMaddenbtw, Im fine with how they credited the photo, just want it out there for people <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 35: </td> <td> Line 35: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> 2010-05-30 The ["Davis Enterprise"] published an article and our photo in the Sunday edition. </td> <td> <span>+</span> 2010-05-30 The ["Davis Enterprise"] published an <span>[http://www.davisenterprise.com/story.php?id=101.5 </span>article<span>]</span> and our photo in the Sunday edition. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-31 12:33:53JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Media Coverage:''' 2010-05-19 [http://www.davisvoice.com/2010/05/crying-girl-grifter-at-large-in-davis/ Crying Girl Grifter at Large in Davis] on ["The Davis Voice"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Media Coverage:'''<span><br> + <br> +</span> 2010-05-19 [http://www.davisvoice.com/2010/05/crying-girl-grifter-at-large-in-davis/ Crying Girl Grifter at Large in Davis] on ["The Davis Voice"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 32: </td> <td> Line 34: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> 2010-05-3<span>1</span> The Davis Enterprise published an article and our photo in th<span>is w</span>e<span>eks</span> Sunday edition<span>&nbsp;(May 30,</span> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> +</span> 2010-05-3<span>0 </span> The <span>["</span>Davis Enterprise<span>"]</span> published an article and our photo in the Sunday edition<span>.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-31 12:31:06JamesMaddensmall formatting thing for media mention <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 32: </td> <td> Line 32: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 34: </td> <td> Line 33: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-31 12:29:41JamesMaddenintegrating possible amber link into comments, move back if you disagree <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 33: </td> <td> Line 33: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- 2010-05-31 The Davis Enterprise published an article and our photo in this weeks Sunday edition (May 30, 2010).<br> - <br> - * Everyone who've been scammed by her, please see [http://honoluluheadshots.com/blogged/index.php/2010/01/honolulu-headshots-presents-amber-scoggins/ this link]. Personally, having been scammed by her, I think it's her, I recognize the shape of her month when she speaks and it looks very similar to the pictures. Also photography and make up do wonders to people's face. These pictures were taken in January, and in a few months time, one could certainly have plumped up one's face. Also the details matching the comments from the Davis Voice - her name being Amber, how her scammed money paid for her "beautiful portfolio" (from the paid protrait company), her acting job in Hawaii, etc. I'd even e-mail her modeling agency of them possibily hiring a criminal.<br> - <br> - * I'm thinking that is not her, unfortunately. If you open up a 2nd windows and do a side by side, you can make out the differences. Besides the plumpness issue of crying girl, the Scroggins girl's hair line is all different too, she has a widows peak and the crying girl doesn't. The crying girl's hair line is a little further back as well. And the nose doesn't fit either. The crying girl's nose is pushed up and a little "piggier." (Was it rude of me to say it like that? sorry crying girl.) The name and modeling stuff is compelling, but I'm going to say its not her. -- JamesMadden<br> - </span> </td> <td> <span>+ 2010-05-31 The Davis Enterprise published an article and our photo in this weeks Sunday edition (May 30,</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 172: </td> <td> Line 167: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 174: </td> <td> Line 170: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-27 17:28:10'' 2010). [[nbsp]] Everyone who've been scammed by her, please see [http://honoluluheadshots.com/blogged/index.php/2010/01/honolulu-headshots-presents-amber-scoggins/ this link]. Personally, having been scammed by her, I think it's her, I recognize the shape of her month when she speaks and it looks very similar to the pictures. Also photography and make up do wonders to people's face. These pictures were taken in January, and in a few months time, one could certainly have plumped up one's face. Also the details matching the comments from the Davis Voice - her name being Amber, how her scammed money paid for her "beautiful portfolio" (from the paid protrait company), her acting job in Hawaii, etc. I'd even e-mail her modeling agency of them possibily hiring a criminal. ["RedT"]<br> + <br> + * I'm thinking that is not her, unfortunately. If you open up a 2nd windows and do a side by side, you can make out the differences. Besides the plumpness issue of crying girl, the Scroggins girl's hair line is all different too, she has a widows peak and the crying girl doesn't. The crying girl's hair line is a little further back as well. And the nose doesn't fit either. The crying girl's nose is pushed up and a little "piggier." (Was it rude of me to say it like that? sorry crying girl.) The name and modeling stuff is compelling, but I'm going to say its not her. -- JamesMadden<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-31 12:22:33JamesMaddenadding Enterprise mention <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 32: </td> <td> Line 32: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + 2010-05-31 The Davis Enterprise published an article and our photo in this weeks Sunday edition (May 30, 2010).</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-31 12:16:37StevenDaubertmoving paulV comment, also shoud see strategies for honest folks <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 176: </td> <td> Line 176: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + ''2010-05-31 11:49:28'' [[nbsp]] My roommate and I were tricked by this crying girl a while back. :( Makes me sad, because this makes it hard to interpret who needs help and is being truthful these days. &gt;_&lt; --["Users/PaulV"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 222: </td> <td> Line 224: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2010-05-31 11:49:28'' [[nbsp]] My roommate and I were tricked by this crying girl a while back. :( Makes me sad, because this makes it hard to interpret who needs help and is being truthful these days. &gt;_&lt; --["Users/PaulV"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-31 11:49:28PaulVComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 221: </td> <td> Line 221: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-31 11:49:28'' [[nbsp]] My roommate and I were tricked by this crying girl a while back. :( Makes me sad, because this makes it hard to interpret who needs help and is being truthful these days. &gt;_&lt; --["Users/PaulV"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-31 01:25:41SRB <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 193: </td> <td> Line 193: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- 2010-05-25 19:02:10 [[nbsp]]</span> Anyone been asked to return something for a guy outside Target, or maybe elsewhere? Target requires an ID to return something without the receipt to keep track of how many times you do this to catch shoplifters. This guy claims he lost the receipt and forgot his ID at home (out of town) and needs to return some expensive razor blades...<span>&nbsp;--["Users/SRB"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> Anyone been asked to return something for a guy outside Target, or maybe elsewhere? Target requires an ID to return something without the receipt to keep track of how many times you do this to catch shoplifters. This guy claims he lost the receipt and forgot his ID at home (out of town) and needs to return some expensive razor blades... </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-30 21:31:45MicheleTobiasOakland Train Guy <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 177: </td> <td> Line 177: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ == "Oakland Train Guy" ==<br> + A man nicely dressed, polite African-American man in his twenties or thirties approaches people telling a story of how he came to Davis for a workshop but got stranded here when his car broke down. He supposedly needs just a few dollars to make enough money to buy a train ticket back to Oakland. He flashes a driver's license to prove he's from Oakland, making the story sound legitimate. He's been seen on ["E Street"] on the sidewalk by the ["Orange Court"].</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-30 09:24:40EBT(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 175: </td> <td> Line 175: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> I was approached by Crying Girl about 10PM on May 16th, 2010 in the Davis Marketplace parking lot in front of CVS. Her story was that she needed train fare to get to her mother's in San Diego. When I declined, she got beligerant and said "you don't have a heart". It seems like she's the one that does not have a heart. </td> <td> <span>+</span> I was approached by Crying Girl about 10PM on May 16th, 2010 in the Davis Marketplace parking lot in front of CVS. Her story was that she needed train fare to get to her mother's in San Diego. When I declined, she got beligerant and said "you don't have a heart". It seems like she's the one that does not have a heart.<span>&nbsp;--["Users/TurboCat"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-30 09:04:37TurboCat <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 174: </td> <td> Line 174: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -------<br> + I was approached by Crying Girl about 10PM on May 16th, 2010 in the Davis Marketplace parking lot in front of CVS. Her story was that she needed train fare to get to her mother's in San Diego. When I declined, she got beligerant and said "you don't have a heart". It seems like she's the one that does not have a heart.<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-29 23:26:54EBTelevator service <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 172: </td> <td> Line 172: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-29 23:22:16'' [[nbsp]] The Crying Girl has approached me twice in the parking lot of the Fairfield/Green Valley Safeway. Once around 9-10pm outside of Safeway a couple of months ago and again tonight in front of CVS in the same shopping center about 8pm. I didn't quite believe her story the first time (her and her boyfriend got in a fight and he ditched her there and she needed money for a hotel room). I told her no and she moved on. Tonight I heard her crying as I was walking back to my car. I think she had just approached a man who turned her down and she moved on to me and my kids. I told her she's unbelievable, this is the second time she's approached me. She sobbed "I didn't" but walked away quickly. Thought later I should have gotten a picture of her or called the police. --["Users/JessiG"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 184: </td> <td> Line 186: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + =Returning Merchandise=<br> + 2010-05-25 19:02:10 [[nbsp]] Anyone been asked to return something for a guy outside Target, or maybe elsewhere? Target requires an ID to return something without the receipt to keep track of how many times you do this to catch shoplifters. This guy claims he lost the receipt and forgot his ID at home (out of town) and needs to return some expensive razor blades... --["Users/SRB"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 211: </td> <td> Line 216: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-25 19:02:10'' [[nbsp]] Anyone been asked to return something for a guy outside Target, or maybe elsewhere? Target requires an ID to return something without the receipt to keep track of how many times you do this to catch shoplifters. This guy claims he lost the receipt and forgot his ID at home (out of town) and needs to return some expensive razor blades... --["Users/SRB"]<br> - ------<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-29 23:22:16'' [[nbsp]] The Crying Girl has approached me twice in the parking lot of the Fairfield/Green Valley Safeway. Once around 9-10pm outside of Safeway a couple of months ago and again tonight in front of CVS in the same shopping center about 8pm. I didn't quite believe her story the first time (her and her boyfriend got in a fight and he ditched her there and she needed money for a hotel room). I told her no and she moved on. Tonight I heard her crying as I was walking back to my car. I think she had just approached a man who turned her down and she moved on to me and my kids. I told her she's unbelievable, this is the second time she's approached me. She sobbed "I didn't" but walked away quickly. Thought later I should have gotten a picture of her or called the police. --["Users/JessiG"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-29 23:22:16JessiGComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 215: </td> <td> Line 215: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-29 23:22:16'' [[nbsp]] The Crying Girl has approached me twice in the parking lot of the Fairfield/Green Valley Safeway. Once around 9-10pm outside of Safeway a couple of months ago and again tonight in front of CVS in the same shopping center about 8pm. I didn't quite believe her story the first time (her and her boyfriend got in a fight and he ditched her there and she needed money for a hotel room). I told her no and she moved on. Tonight I heard her crying as I was walking back to my car. I think she had just approached a man who turned her down and she moved on to me and my kids. I told her she's unbelievable, this is the second time she's approached me. She sobbed "I didn't" but walked away quickly. Thought later I should have gotten a picture of her or called the police. --["Users/JessiG"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-27 19:31:22JamesMaddenI don't think its her, unfortunately <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 33: </td> <td> Line 33: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> *Everyone who've been scammed by her, please see [http://honoluluheadshots.com/blogged/index.php/2010/01/honolulu-headshots-presents-amber-scoggins/ this link]. Personally, having been scammed by her, I think it's her, I recognize the shape of her month when she speaks and it looks very similar to the pictures. Also photography and make up do wonders to people's face. These pictures were taken in January, and in a few months time, one could certainly have plumped up one's face. Also the details matching the comments from the Davis Voice - her name being Amber, how her scammed money paid for her "beautiful portfolio" (from the paid protrait company), her acting job in Hawaii, etc. I'd even e-mail her modeling agency of them possibily hiring a criminal. </td> <td> <span>+ </span> *<span>&nbsp;</span>Everyone who've been scammed by her, please see [http://honoluluheadshots.com/blogged/index.php/2010/01/honolulu-headshots-presents-amber-scoggins/ this link]. Personally, having been scammed by her, I think it's her, I recognize the shape of her month when she speaks and it looks very similar to the pictures. Also photography and make up do wonders to people's face. These pictures were taken in January, and in a few months time, one could certainly have plumped up one's face. Also the details matching the comments from the Davis Voice - her name being Amber, how her scammed money paid for her "beautiful portfolio" (from the paid protrait company), her acting job in Hawaii, etc. I'd even e-mail her modeling agency of them possibily hiring a criminal.<span><br> + <br> + * I'm thinking that is not her, unfortunately. If you open up a 2nd windows and do a side by side, you can make out the differences. Besides the plumpness issue of crying girl, the Scroggins girl's hair line is all different too, she has a widows peak and the crying girl doesn't. The crying girl's hair line is a little further back as well. And the nose doesn't fit either. The crying girl's nose is pushed up and a little "piggier." (Was it rude of me to say it like that? sorry crying girl.) The name and modeling stuff is compelling, but I'm going to say its not her. -- JamesMadden</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-27 10:34:38RedT <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 33: </td> <td> Line 33: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> *Everyone who've been scammed by her, please see [http://honoluluheadshots.com/blogged/index.php/2010/01/honolulu-headshots-presents-amber-scoggins/ this link]. Personally, having been scammed by her, I think it's her, I recognize the shape of her month when she speaks and it looks very similar to the pictures. These pictures were taken in January, and in a few months time, one could certainly have plumped up one's face. Also the details matching the comments from the Davis Voice - her name being Amber, how her scammed money paid for her <span>photo shots from this page</span>, her acting job in Hawaii, etc. I'd even e-mail her modeling agency of them possibily hiring a criminal. </td> <td> <span>+</span> *Everyone who've been scammed by her, please see [http://honoluluheadshots.com/blogged/index.php/2010/01/honolulu-headshots-presents-amber-scoggins/ this link]. Personally, having been scammed by her, I think it's her, I recognize the shape of her month when she speaks and it looks very similar to the pictures. <span>Also photography and make up do wonders to people's face. </span>These pictures were taken in January, and in a few months time, one could certainly have plumped up one's face. Also the details matching the comments from the Davis Voice - her name being Amber, how her scammed money paid for her <span>"beautiful portfolio" (from the paid protrait company)</span>, her acting job in Hawaii, etc. I'd even e-mail her modeling agency of them possibily hiring a criminal. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-27 10:28:10RedTlink to said page on davis voice <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 32: </td> <td> Line 32: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + *Everyone who've been scammed by her, please see [http://honoluluheadshots.com/blogged/index.php/2010/01/honolulu-headshots-presents-amber-scoggins/ this link]. Personally, having been scammed by her, I think it's her, I recognize the shape of her month when she speaks and it looks very similar to the pictures. These pictures were taken in January, and in a few months time, one could certainly have plumped up one's face. Also the details matching the comments from the Davis Voice - her name being Amber, how her scammed money paid for her photo shots from this page, her acting job in Hawaii, etc. I'd even e-mail her modeling agency of them possibily hiring a criminal.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-27 09:14:42CovertProfessorI think this will help most people <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 153: </td> <td> Line 153: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- "</span>yah ive been stopped by the cops three times and walked away. i bought my truck for $4500 a 2 bedroom house! THANX EVERYBODY for being so generous with the GREAT amount of money you have given me thanks again because im going to hawaii in 2 weeks also for an acting job. i saved up $12,538 not including my truck or trip! thanx guys love ya and lol thanx for making me FAMOUS!!! HA HA<br> <span>-</span> look for me on the movies soon because you guys doing this showed my entertainment agency just how really great i am and i have 3 jobs lined up including one in HAWAII! this was all part of my project for my agency to see how great i can act and u citizens definetly paid for my beautiful portfolio! </td> <td> <span>+ {{{</span>yah ive been stopped by the cops three times and walked away. i bought my truck for $4500 a 2 bedroom house!<span><br> +</span> THANX EVERYBODY for being so generous with the GREAT amount of money you have given me thanks again because<span><br> +</span> im going to hawaii in 2 weeks also for an acting job. i saved up $12,538 not including my truck or trip! thanx guys love ya<span><br> +</span> and lol thanx for making me FAMOUS!!! HA HA<br> <span>+</span> look for me on the movies soon because you guys doing this showed my entertainment agency just how really great i am<span><br> +</span> and i have 3 jobs lined up including one in HAWAII! this was all part of my project for my agency to see how great i can<span><br> +</span> act and u citizens definetly paid for my beautiful portfolio! </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 156: </td> <td> Line 161: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> <span>{{{</span>EVERYONE ELSE ON HERE AND WHO STARTED THIS FUNNY S#^% THANX FOR THE ATTENTION(love it) &amp;&amp; GET A F&amp;#*(# LIFE LONER/LOSER NERD HAVE FUN [with] MY BEAUTIFUL PICTURE ABOVE!! </td> <td> <span>+</span> EVERYONE ELSE ON HERE AND WHO STARTED THIS FUNNY S#^% THANX FOR THE ATTENTION(love it) &amp;&amp;<span><br> +</span> GET A F&amp;#*(# LIFE LONER/LOSER NERD HAVE FUN [with] MY BEAUTIFUL PICTURE ABOVE!! </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-27 09:08:39NickSchmalenberger(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 156: </td> <td> Line 156: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> EVERYONE ELSE ON HERE AND WHO STARTED THIS FUNNY S#^% THANX FOR THE ATTENTION(love it) &amp;&amp; GET A F&amp;#*(# LIFE LONER/LOSER NERD HAVE FUN [with] MY BEAUTIFUL PICTURE ABOVE!! </td> <td> <span>+</span> <span>{{{</span>EVERYONE ELSE ON HERE AND WHO STARTED THIS FUNNY S#^% THANX FOR THE ATTENTION(love it) &amp;&amp; GET A F&amp;#*(# LIFE LONER/LOSER NERD HAVE FUN [with] MY BEAUTIFUL PICTURE ABOVE!! </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 158: </td> <td> Line 158: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> YOUR RICH B(#*$ “CRYING GIRL”" </td> <td> <span>+</span> YOUR RICH B(#*$ “CRYING GIRL”"<span>}}}</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-27 08:55:23DagonJonesfixing weird edit of quote so it fits in better with page <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 152: </td> <td> Line 152: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- '''{{{</span>yah ive been stopped by the cops three times and walked away. i bought my truck for $4500 a 2 bedroom house! THANX EVERYBODY for being so generous with the GREAT amount of money you have given me thanks again because im going to hawaii in 2 weeks also for an acting job. i saved up $12,538 not including my truck or trip! thanx guys love ya and lol thanx for making me FAMOUS!!! HA HA </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + "</span>yah ive been stopped by the cops three times and walked away. i bought my truck for $4500 a 2 bedroom house! THANX EVERYBODY for being so generous with the GREAT amount of money you have given me thanks again because im going to hawaii in 2 weeks also for an acting job. i saved up $12,538 not including my truck or trip! thanx guys love ya and lol thanx for making me FAMOUS!!! HA HA </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 157: </td> <td> Line 158: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> YOUR RICH B(#*$ “CRYING GIRL”<span>}}}'''</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> YOUR RICH B(#*$ “CRYING GIRL”<span>"</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-26 22:50:58JamesMaddenadding plate to descrip with hi-lite <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 23: </td> <td> Line 23: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" (also identified below by her first name: Amber) is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a dark haired girl who has dyed her hair reddish blond who sometimes wears heavy, tear-smeared make-up and who is aged approximately 16 to 20. She frequents the downtown area or grocery stores, both during the day and at night. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy. Reportedly, she has also very recently begun telling people a new story wherein she purports to be homeless. Additionally, she usually has backup with her, often in the form of a waiting car (black suburban/tahoe) with a male driver. Other people have also reported a female accomplice with a red Toyota. She is also very aggressive if you make her mad. </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" (also identified below by her first name: Amber) is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a dark haired girl who has dyed her hair reddish blond who sometimes wears heavy, tear-smeared make-up and who is aged approximately 16 to 20. She frequents the downtown area or grocery stores, both during the day and at night. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy. Reportedly, she has also very recently begun telling people a new story wherein she purports to be homeless. Additionally, she usually has backup with her, often in the form of a waiting car (<span>'''</span>black <span>Chevy </span>suburban/tahoe<span>&nbsp;with a plate number of 4GDY921'''</span>) with a male driver. Other people have also reported a female accomplice with a red Toyota. She is also very aggressive if you make her mad. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-26 20:09:54KemblePopenew update from DavisVoice comments <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 31: </td> <td> Line 31: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ UPDATE: Another commenter just left a possible identification.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-26 20:06:00KemblePopescrapped? lame accusation. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 150: </td> <td> Line 150: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> This was posted on <span>t</span>he <span>d</span>avis<span>v</span>oice comments section <span>aft</span>e<span>r Kembl</span>e po<span>s</span>t<span>ed</span> t<span>h</span>e <span>a</span>l<span>ert that looked scrapped from this page</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> This was posted on <span>["T</span>he <span>D</span>avis<span>&nbsp;V</span>oice<span>"]</span> comments section <span>by som</span>e<span>on</span>e p<span>urp</span>o<span>r</span>t<span>ing</span> t<span>o b</span>e <span>"Crying Gir</span>l<span>":</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-26 20:02:05jsbmebshould this page have 2 comment bars? <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 158: </td> <td> Line 158: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-26 19:58:49'' [[nbsp]] My wish is that the DPD does a quick undercover thing to get Amber and the 2 guys she works with. They could stakeout a parking lot that they're in, get approached by Amber, take her down while other plain clothes officers get the 2 guys before they can drive off. --["Users/jsbmeb"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 202: </td> <td> Line 203: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-05-26 19:58:49'' [[nbsp]] My wish is that the DPD does a quick undercover thing to get Amber and the 2 guys she works with. They could stakeout a parking lot that they're in, get approached by Amber, take her down while other plain clothes officers get the 2 guys before they can drive off. --["Users/jsbmeb"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-26 19:59:05StevenDaubert+sawce <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 157: </td> <td> Line 157: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ http://www.davisvoice.com/2010/05/crying-girl-grifter-at-large-in-davis/comment-page-1/#comment-307</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-26 19:58:49jsbmebComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 202: </td> <td> Line 202: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-26 19:58:49'' [[nbsp]] My wish is that the DPD does a quick undercover thing to get Amber and the 2 guys she works with. They could stakeout a parking lot that they're in, get approached by Amber, take her down while other plain clothes officers get the 2 guys before they can drive off. --["Users/jsbmeb"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-26 19:33:19StevenDaubertswear word substitution causing runnaway tags? commenting to remove <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 151: </td> <td> Line 151: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''yah ive been stopped by the cops three times and walked away. i bought my truck for $4500 a 2 bedroom house! THANX EVERYBODY for being so generous with the GREAT amount of money you have given me thanks again because im going to hawaii in 2 weeks also for an acting job. i saved up $12,538 not including my truck or trip! thanx guys love ya and lol thanx for making me FAMOUS!!! HA HA </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''<span>{{{</span>yah ive been stopped by the cops three times and walked away. i bought my truck for $4500 a 2 bedroom house! THANX EVERYBODY for being so generous with the GREAT amount of money you have given me thanks again because im going to hawaii in 2 weeks also for an acting job. i saved up $12,538 not including my truck or trip! thanx guys love ya and lol thanx for making me FAMOUS!!! HA HA </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 156: </td> <td> Line 156: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> YOUR RICH B(#*$ “CRYING GIRL”''' </td> <td> <span>+</span> YOUR RICH B(#*$ “CRYING GIRL”<span>}}}</span>''' </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-26 19:31:20StevenDaubert(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 156: </td> <td> Line 156: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> YOUR RICH B(#*$ “CRYING GIRL”'''<span>'</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> YOUR RICH B(#*$ “CRYING GIRL”''' </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-26 19:23:04StevenDaubertAmber brags on davis voice, complete with bad spelling and veiled threats <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 149: </td> <td> Line 149: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + This was posted on the davisvoice comments section after Kemble posted the alert that looked scrapped from this page<br> + '''yah ive been stopped by the cops three times and walked away. i bought my truck for $4500 a 2 bedroom house! THANX EVERYBODY for being so generous with the GREAT amount of money you have given me thanks again because im going to hawaii in 2 weeks also for an acting job. i saved up $12,538 not including my truck or trip! thanx guys love ya and lol thanx for making me FAMOUS!!! HA HA<br> + look for me on the movies soon because you guys doing this showed my entertainment agency just how really great i am and i have 3 jobs lined up including one in HAWAII! this was all part of my project for my agency to see how great i can act and u citizens definetly paid for my beautiful portfolio!<br> + p.s camera man we kno where u rest yur head good luck<br> + EVERYONE ELSE ON HERE AND WHO STARTED THIS FUNNY S#^% THANX FOR THE ATTENTION(love it) &amp;&amp; GET A F&amp;#*(# LIFE LONER/LOSER NERD HAVE FUN [with] MY BEAUTIFUL PICTURE ABOVE!!<br> + LOVE ALWAYS &amp;&amp; FOREVER<br> + YOUR RICH B(#*$ “CRYING GIRL”''''<br> + <br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-26 11:51:20JoePomidor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 162: </td> <td> Line 162: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> <span>=</span>=Strategies to help honest people=<span>=</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> =Strategies to help honest people= </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-26 11:50:58JoePomidorCon I just found out about. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 159: </td> <td> Line 159: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ =Cheap Housing Con=<br> + High housing turnover and people looking to live cheaply will sometimes lead to a scam where someone posts a bogus house on craigslist or similar, and then charges some kind of "viewing fee" or "advance deposit". Usually the houses involved in this are recently put on the market for sale, which is where the con finds the info. In order to avoid, google the address and see if the house has recently been on the market. Also, as always, if it's too good to be true, it probably is!</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-26 11:21:27PhilipNeustrom(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 27: </td> <td> Line 27: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span>Everyone who has had an interaction with her should file a police report using [http://cityofdavis.org/police/pdfs/forms/Offense_Report.pdf this form] (pdf). They don't need to catch her in the act, they just need reports and witnesses of the crimes to arrest her and have her convicted. So take a few minutes to report her if she conned you.<span>&nbsp;--["Users/ChrisDietrich"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ '''</span>Everyone who has had an interaction with her<span>'''</span> should file a police report using [http://cityofdavis.org/police/pdfs/forms/Offense_Report.pdf this form] (pdf). They don't need to catch her in the act, they just need reports and witnesses of the crimes to arrest her and have her convicted. So take a few minutes to report her if she conned you. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-26 11:04:06JoePomidor(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 141: </td> <td> Line 141: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2010-05-25 18:01:39'' [[nbsp]] UGHH!!!! this girl completely scammed me and my boyfriend back in May. She said she was kicked out of her boyfriends house and needed money for the train to San Diego. I believed but had had some skepticism in what she was saying but i figured it was the truth. So i gave her $40 and shook her hand and made her promise that she was using the money for that reason and that she wouldnt ask anyoneelse for money and be on that train in the morning. So much for thinking people could be honest! how can she look someone in the eye and lie to them and then repeated ly use this scam on other people! NO conscience! Well i defineately hope she gets caught and i WILL be filing a police report! --["Users/tleann"]''2010-05-25 19:23:52'' [[nbsp]] Crying girl is almost certainly well into the grand theft range under California Penal Code sections 484 and 487. "Every person who ... shall knowingly and designedly, by any false or fraudulent representation or pretense, defraud any other person of money, labor or real or personal property ... is guilty of theft." CPC section 484. The threshold for grand theft under 487 is $400 aggregate value. As grand theft is a felony, an officer of the law can arrest her (with probable cause) even if he has not witnessed her performing the act. In other words, if enough folks come forward and state that they've been screwed out of over $400 total with sufficient corroborating detail for probable cause, she can be arrested and charged. </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2010-05-25 18:01:39'' [[nbsp]] UGHH!!!! this girl completely scammed me and my boyfriend back in May. She said she was kicked out of her boyfriends house and needed money for the train to San Diego. I believed but had had some skepticism in what she was saying but i figured it was the truth. So i gave her $40 and shook her hand and made her promise that she was using the money for that reason and that she wouldnt ask anyoneelse for money and be on that train in the morning. So much for thinking people could be honest! how can she look someone in the eye and lie to them and then repeated ly use this scam on other people! NO conscience! Well i defineately hope she gets caught and i WILL be filing a police report! --["Users/tleann"]<span><br> + ------<br> + </span>''2010-05-25 19:23:52'' [[nbsp]] Crying girl is almost certainly well into the grand theft range under California Penal Code sections 484 and 487. "Every person who ... shall knowingly and designedly, by any false or fraudulent representation or pretense, defraud any other person of money, labor or real or personal property ... is guilty of theft." CPC section 484. The threshold for grand theft under 487 is $400 aggregate value. As grand theft is a felony, an officer of the law can arrest her (with probable cause) even if he has not witnessed her performing the act. In other words, if enough folks come forward and state that they've been screwed out of over $400 total with sufficient corroborating detail for probable cause, she can be arrested and charged. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-26 10:41:59StevenDaubertmoving comments <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 140: </td> <td> Line 140: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-25 18:01:39'' [[nbsp]] UGHH!!!! this girl completely scammed me and my boyfriend back in May. She said she was kicked out of her boyfriends house and needed money for the train to San Diego. I believed but had had some skepticism in what she was saying but i figured it was the truth. So i gave her $40 and shook her hand and made her promise that she was using the money for that reason and that she wouldnt ask anyoneelse for money and be on that train in the morning. So much for thinking people could be honest! how can she look someone in the eye and lie to them and then repeated ly use this scam on other people! NO conscience! Well i defineately hope she gets caught and i WILL be filing a police report! --["Users/tleann"]''2010-05-25 19:23:52'' [[nbsp]] Crying girl is almost certainly well into the grand theft range under California Penal Code sections 484 and 487. "Every person who ... shall knowingly and designedly, by any false or fraudulent representation or pretense, defraud any other person of money, labor or real or personal property ... is guilty of theft." CPC section 484. The threshold for grand theft under 487 is $400 aggregate value. As grand theft is a felony, an officer of the law can arrest her (with probable cause) even if he has not witnessed her performing the act. In other words, if enough folks come forward and state that they've been screwed out of over $400 total with sufficient corroborating detail for probable cause, she can be arrested and charged.<br> + <br> + C'mon, DPD! Investigate and act. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2010-05-26 09:33:51'' [[nbsp]] She conned my wife and me out of $10 in March in the Ace parking lot across from Woodstocks. Actually, I suspected she was pulling a con, but we had our little daughter with us and I wasn't in the position to confront her so I gave her $10 to leave us alone, and regret it. I had no idea she ripped off so many people. I work downtown and will definitely go after her if/when I see her again...people like this seriously piss me off. --["Users/JonFenske"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 177: </td> <td> Line 184: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-05-25 18:01:39'' [[nbsp]] UGHH!!!! this girl completely scammed me and my boyfriend back in May. She said she was kicked out of her boyfriends house and needed money for the train to San Diego. I believed but had had some skepticism in what she was saying but i figured it was the truth. So i gave her $40 and shook her hand and made her promise that she was using the money for that reason and that she wouldnt ask anyoneelse for money and be on that train in the morning. So much for thinking people could be honest! how can she look someone in the eye and lie to them and then repeated ly use this scam on other people! NO conscience! Well i defineately hope she gets caught and i WILL be filing a police report! --["Users/tleann"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 182: </td> <td> Line 188: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2010-05-25 19:23:52'' [[nbsp]] Crying girl is almost certainly well into the grand theft range under California Penal Code sections 484 and 487. "Every person who ... shall knowingly and designedly, by any false or fraudulent representation or pretense, defraud any other person of money, labor or real or personal property ... is guilty of theft." CPC section 484. The threshold for grand theft under 487 is $400 aggregate value. As grand theft is a felony, an officer of the law can arrest her (with probable cause) even if he has not witnessed her performing the act. In other words, if enough folks come forward and state that they've been screwed out of over $400 total with sufficient corroborating detail for probable cause, she can be arrested and charged.<br> - <br> - C'mon, DPD! Investigate and act. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-26 09:33:51'' [[nbsp]] She conned my wife and me out of $10 in March in the Ace parking lot across from Woodstocks. Actually, I suspected she was pulling a con, but we had our little daughter with us and I wasn't in the position to confront her so I gave her $10 to leave us alone, and regret it. I had no idea she ripped off so many people. I work downtown and will definitely go after her if/when I see her again...people like this seriously piss me off. --["Users/JonFenske"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-26 09:33:51JonFenskeComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 185: </td> <td> Line 185: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-26 09:33:51'' [[nbsp]] She conned my wife and me out of $10 in March in the Ace parking lot across from Woodstocks. Actually, I suspected she was pulling a con, but we had our little daughter with us and I wasn't in the position to confront her so I gave her $10 to leave us alone, and regret it. I had no idea she ripped off so many people. I work downtown and will definitely go after her if/when I see her again...people like this seriously piss me off. --["Users/JonFenske"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-25 19:23:52TomGarbersonComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 181: </td> <td> Line 181: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-25 19:23:52'' [[nbsp]] Crying girl is almost certainly well into the grand theft range under California Penal Code sections 484 and 487. "Every person who ... shall knowingly and designedly, by any false or fraudulent representation or pretense, defraud any other person of money, labor or real or personal property ... is guilty of theft." CPC section 484. The threshold for grand theft under 487 is $400 aggregate value. As grand theft is a felony, an officer of the law can arrest her (with probable cause) even if he has not witnessed her performing the act. In other words, if enough folks come forward and state that they've been screwed out of over $400 total with sufficient corroborating detail for probable cause, she can be arrested and charged.<br> + <br> + C'mon, DPD! Investigate and act. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-25 19:02:10SRBComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 179: </td> <td> Line 179: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-25 19:02:10'' [[nbsp]] Anyone been asked to return something for a guy outside Target, or maybe elsewhere? Target requires an ID to return something without the receipt to keep track of how many times you do this to catch shoplifters. This guy claims he lost the receipt and forgot his ID at home (out of town) and needs to return some expensive razor blades... --["Users/SRB"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-25 18:01:39tleannComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 177: </td> <td> Line 177: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-25 18:01:39'' [[nbsp]] UGHH!!!! this girl completely scammed me and my boyfriend back in May. She said she was kicked out of her boyfriends house and needed money for the train to San Diego. I believed but had had some skepticism in what she was saying but i figured it was the truth. So i gave her $40 and shook her hand and made her promise that she was using the money for that reason and that she wouldnt ask anyoneelse for money and be on that train in the morning. So much for thinking people could be honest! how can she look someone in the eye and lie to them and then repeated ly use this scam on other people! NO conscience! Well i defineately hope she gets caught and i WILL be filing a police report! --["Users/tleann"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-25 10:23:45KemblePopecomment from the con artist on Davis Voice post <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 30: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ UPDATE: Someone purporting to be the Crying Girl Grifter commented on this blog post with an ip address from Vacaville.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-25 05:12:07JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 138: </td> <td> Line 138: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * It won't last long (this page will be indexed soon), but that plate number has zero hits on Google. -jw</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-25 01:12:50IDoNotExistDid the police get that info? <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 137: </td> <td> Line 137: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Good job, James! Did you pass the plate number on to the police? --["Users/IDoNotExist"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-24 23:02:25JamesMaddenbing <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 135: </td> <td> Line 135: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-24 23:00:40'' [[nbsp]] Ok, these guys are just plain dumb. You don't even have to look for them. Just show up at the South Davis Safeway after ten! Sure glad I'm a late night shopper. I watched them get out of their car and hit up some more innocent victims while I took a plate number. 4GDY921 --["Users/JamesMadden"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 172: </td> <td> Line 174: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-05-24 23:00:40'' [[nbsp]] Ok, these guys are just plain dumb. You don't even have to look for them. Just show up at the South Davis Safeway after ten! Sure glad I'm a late night shopper. I watched them get out of their car and hit up some more innocent victims while I took a plate number. 4GDY921 --["Users/JamesMadden"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-24 23:00:40JamesMaddenComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 172: </td> <td> Line 172: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-24 23:00:40'' [[nbsp]] Ok, these guys are just plain dumb. You don't even have to look for them. Just show up at the South Davis Safeway after ten! Sure glad I'm a late night shopper. I watched them get out of their car and hit up some more innocent victims while I took a plate number. 4GDY921 --["Users/JamesMadden"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-24 21:33:23EBT(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 31: </td> <td> Line 31: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Scam Alert Flyer:''' If you want to help alert the community, there is a <span>[</span>[http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&amp;do=view&amp;target=Scam%20Alert.pdf handy flyer] (pdf) available for you to download and print. </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Scam Alert Flyer:''' If you want to help alert the community, there is a [http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&amp;do=view&amp;target=Scam%20Alert.pdf handy flyer] (pdf) available for you to download and print. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-24 21:33:15EBT(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 31: </td> <td> Line 31: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Scam Alert Flyer:''' If you want to help alert the community, <span>a handy flyer can be downloaded </span>[http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&amp;do=view&amp;target=Scam%20Alert.pdf h<span>ere</span>] (pdf). </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Scam Alert Flyer:''' If you want to help alert the community, <span>there is a [</span>[http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&amp;do=view&amp;target=Scam%20Alert.pdf h<span>andy flyer</span>] (pdf)<span>&nbsp;available for you to download and print</span>. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-24 21:14:43JamesMaddenlets get the word out <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 30: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + '''Scam Alert Flyer:''' If you want to help alert the community, a handy flyer can be downloaded [http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&amp;do=view&amp;target=Scam%20Alert.pdf here] (pdf).</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-24 21:06:31JamesMaddenUpload of file <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&do=view&target=Scam%20Alert.pdf">Scam Alert.pdf</a>.Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-24 02:39:04TonyAhr <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 127: </td> <td> Line 127: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + Well, after thoroughly checking the tapes from Thursday 5/13, I can safely say that the cement toss is not on tape, it occured too far out of range of the cameras. She was back again tonight though. I was in the checkstand and a customer was getting cash back and just happened to mention that there was a girl outside who needed it for a train ticket. After I warned him about her scheme, I relieved myself from the checkstand and called Davis PD but she was gone by the time they got there. The officer mentioned that they have been recieving a lot of calls regarding her.<br> + <br> + I checked the tapes shortly afterward and she's on it. Her apperence was slightly different as she had her hair in pigtails, but it was very clear on the tape that it was her, and also clear what she was doing. The tape catches her approaching 3 different shoppers as they exited their cars to run her scam. Her male accomplice parked himself near one of our cameras too, so I was able to get a descent look at him. The guy looks like he's about the same age as her, late teens to 20 years old, hispanic, medium height and was hearing a dark hoodie over a dark baseball cap and was holding a cell phone. It was quite clear on the tape that he was providing lookout.<br> + <br> + So basically, stay vigilant because she's still around and probably not going anywhere until she's caught. --["Users/TonyAhr"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-23 17:25:43EBTmoving comment up, and also, sorry to hear that. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 125: </td> <td> Line 125: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + ''2010-05-23 17:24:20'' [[nbsp]] I've been had! i gave her 20 dollars! Definitely going to file a police report. What a jerk! --["Users/christinag"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 161: </td> <td> Line 164: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-23 17:24:20'' [[nbsp]] I've been had! i gave her 20 dollars! Definitely going to file a police report. What a jerk! --["Users/christinag"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-23 17:24:20christinagComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 162: </td> <td> Line 162: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-23 17:24:20'' [[nbsp]] I've been had! i gave her 20 dollars! Definitely going to file a police report. What a jerk! --["Users/christinag"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-21 08:30:38JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 123: </td> <td> Line 123: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * An excellent example of [wiki:wikipedia:"Peelian Principles" the police are the public and the public are the police]. Well handled! --["Users/JabberWokky" Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-21 00:58:15JamesMadden(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 121: </td> <td> Line 121: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> An officer came up shortly after and I filed a proper police report. He was very helpful and said the police department were well aware of her. Apparently the district attorney is putting together a case against them as well. He said calling the<span>m</span> was the best bet if people she her again. He also mentioned that they are turning up in Natomas and Vacaville too, and said he thought they were from out of town. The pictures I got tonight didn't turn out so I have nothing to post on that end. I wish I did! She is still working the City of Davis however, so please keep your eyes out. --["Users/JamesMadden"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> An officer came up shortly after and I filed a proper police report. He was very helpful and said the police department were well aware of her. Apparently the district attorney is putting together a case against them as well. He said calling the<span>&nbsp;police</span> was the best bet if people she her again. He also mentioned that they are turning up in Natomas and Vacaville too, and said he thought they were from out of town. The pictures I got tonight didn't turn out so I have nothing to post on that end. I wish I did! She is still working the City of Davis however, so please keep your eyes out. --["Users/JamesMadden"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-21 00:26:12JamesMadden(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 117: </td> <td> Line 117: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2010-05-21 00:10:49'' [[nbsp]] Wow. I don't think this girl knows about daviswiki. I actually ran into her again tonight! I saw her standing in the Kinko's parking lot this time. I was so dumbfounded, I parked my car, and she actually approached me again! I tried to take another picture and this time she opened my car door and tried to grab my camera. I had a tripod with me and she backed off when I grabbed it, but she got on her phone and called her friends. The nice guys at Kinko's were very helpful and were quickly on the phone to the police at this point.<span>&nbsp;</span> Two guys ran up shortly after. One was white with dark hair and had a short, thin goatee. He maybe 5'-6", wore a red baseball cap and baggy clothes. He had a spray canister that he said was mace. Tried to spray me with it but it was either deodorant or cologne. The other guy was taller, maybe 5'-9", was either white or hispanic, and had dark curly hair under a green baseball cap. He wore baggy clothes as well. I could definitely identify them again. They both made a lot of threats but didn't want to go near Kinko's where there were witnesses. The crying girl (at least I think it was her, as she'd disappeared by this time) had grabbed the same black Chevy, which the two guys jumped into before driving off. Who ever said is was a Tahoe or Sububan was correct. Its an SUV type Chevrolet. Unfortunately I couldn't get the plate number or pictures.<span>&nbsp;</span> An officer came up shortly after and I filed a proper police report. He was very helpful and said the police department were well aware of her. Apparently the district attorney is putting together a case against them as well. He said calling them was the best bet <span>I</span> people she her again. He also mentioned that they are turning up in Natomas and Vacaville too, and said he thought they were from out of town. The pictures I got tonight didn't turn out so I have nothing to post on that end. I wish I did! She is still working the City of Davis however, so please keep your eyes out. --["Users/JamesMadden"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2010-05-21 00:10:49'' [[nbsp]] Wow. I don't think this girl knows about daviswiki. I actually ran into her again tonight! I saw her standing in the Kinko's parking lot this time. I was so dumbfounded, I parked my car, and she actually approached me again! I tried to take another picture and this time she opened my car door and tried to grab my camera. I had a tripod with me and she backed off when I grabbed it, but she got on her phone and called her friends. The nice guys at Kinko's were very helpful and were quickly on the phone to the police at this point.<span><br> + <br> +</span> Two guys ran up shortly after. One was white with dark hair and had a short, thin goatee. He maybe 5'-6", wore a red baseball cap and baggy clothes. He had a spray canister that he said was mace. Tried to spray me with it but it was either deodorant or cologne. The other guy was taller, maybe 5'-9", was either white or hispanic, and had dark curly hair under a green baseball cap. He wore baggy clothes as well. I could definitely identify them again. They both made a lot of threats but didn't want to go near Kinko's where there were witnesses. The crying girl (at least I think it was her, as she'd disappeared by this time) had grabbed the same black Chevy, which the two guys jumped into before driving off. Who ever said is was a Tahoe or Sububan was correct. Its an SUV type Chevrolet. Unfortunately I couldn't get the plate number or pictures.<span><br> + <br> +</span> An officer came up shortly after and I filed a proper police report. He was very helpful and said the police department were well aware of her. Apparently the district attorney is putting together a case against them as well. He said calling them was the best bet <span>if</span> people she her again. He also mentioned that they are turning up in Natomas and Vacaville too, and said he thought they were from out of town. The pictures I got tonight didn't turn out so I have nothing to post on that end. I wish I did! She is still working the City of Davis however, so please keep your eyes out. --["Users/JamesMadden"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-21 00:23:29JamesMaddenupdating her description under the header. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 13: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ''Example: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krg5r6n0kr4 YouTube video] of a news team following some panhandlers, including a “stranded” teenage girl. Some of these scamming panhandlers are relatively successful, estimated to earn up to $50/hr and may just be local kids/teenagers.''<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 15: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300, "The “Crying Girl" as confirmed below by various users. If you've been scammed by her too, let us know.")]] </td> <td> <span>+</span> [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300, "The “Crying Girl"<span>&nbsp;(aka: Amber)</span> as confirmed below by various users. If you've been scammed by her too, let us know.")]] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 21: </td> <td> Line 23: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a dark haired girl who has dyed her hair reddish blond who sometimes wears heavy, tear-smeared make-up and who is aged approximately 16 to 20. She frequents the downtown area <span>during the evenings and grocery stores during the day</span>. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy. Reportedly, she has also very recently begun telling people a new story wherein she purports to be homeless. </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" <span>(also identified below by her first name: Amber) </span>is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a dark haired girl who has dyed her hair reddish blond who sometimes wears heavy, tear-smeared make-up and who is aged approximately 16 to 20. She frequents the downtown area <span>or grocery stores, both during the day and at night</span>.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span> Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy. Reportedly, she has also very recently begun telling people a new story wherein she purports to be homeless.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;Additionally, she usually has backup with her, often in the form of a waiting car (black suburban/tahoe) with a male driver. Other people have also reported a female accomplice with a red Toyota. She is also very aggressive if you make her mad.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 23: </td> <td> Line 25: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''For Your Safety:''' If you see her roping someone in, be careful when warning the victims away. She has been known to follow whistleblowers for blocks, threatening and shouting at them. You may have a piece of concrete hurled your way if you try to take a picture of her (see below).<span>&nbsp;Additionally, she usually has backup with her, often in the form of a waiting car (black suburban/tahoe) with a male driver.</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''For Your Safety:''' If you see her roping someone in, be careful when warning the victims away. She has been known to follow whistleblowers for blocks, threatening and shouting at them. You may have a piece of concrete hurled your way if you try to take a picture of her (see below). </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 28: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - ''Example: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krg5r6n0kr4 YouTube video] of a news team following some panhandlers, including a “stranded” teenage girl. Some of these scamming panhandlers are relatively successful, estimated to earn up to $50/hr and may just be local kids/teenagers.''</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-21 00:13:17JamesMadden <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 116: </td> <td> Line 116: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-21 00:10:49'' [[nbsp]] Wow. I don't think this girl knows about daviswiki. I actually ran into her again tonight! I saw her standing in the Kinko's parking lot this time. I was so dumbfounded, I parked my car, and she actually approached me again! I tried to take another picture and this time she opened my car door and tried to grab my camera. I had a tripod with me and she backed off when I grabbed it, but she got on her phone and called her friends. The nice guys at Kinko's were very helpful and were quickly on the phone to the police at this point. Two guys ran up shortly after. One was white with dark hair and had a short, thin goatee. He maybe 5'-6", wore a red baseball cap and baggy clothes. He had a spray canister that he said was mace. Tried to spray me with it but it was either deodorant or cologne. The other guy was taller, maybe 5'-9", was either white or hispanic, and had dark curly hair under a green baseball cap. He wore baggy clothes as well. I could definitely identify them again. They both made a lot of threats but didn't want to go near Kinko's where there were witnesses. The crying girl (at least I think it was her, as she'd disappeared by this time) had grabbed the same black Chevy, which the two guys jumped into before driving off. Who ever said is was a Tahoe or Sububan was correct. Its an SUV type Chevrolet. Unfortunately I couldn't get the plate number or pictures. An officer came up shortly after and I filed a proper police report. He was very helpful and said the police department were well aware of her. Apparently the district attorney is putting together a case against them as well. He said calling them was the best bet I people she her again. He also mentioned that they are turning up in Natomas and Vacaville too, and said he thought they were from out of town. The pictures I got tonight didn't turn out so I have nothing to post on that end. I wish I did! She is still working the City of Davis however, so please keep your eyes out. --["Users/JamesMadden"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 156: </td> <td> Line 157: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-05-21 00:10:49'' [[nbsp]] Wow. I don't think this girl knows about daviswiki. I actually ran into her again tonight! I saw her standing in the Kinko's parking lot this time. I was so dumbfounded, I parked my car, and she actually approached me again! I tried to take another picture and this time she opened my car door and tried to grab my camera. I had a tripod with me and she backed off when I grabbed it, but she got on her phone and called her friends. The nice guys at Kinko's were very helpful and were quickly on the phone to the police at this point. Two guys ran up shortly after. One was white with dark hair and had a short, thin goatee. He maybe 5'-6", wore a red baseball cap and baggy clothes. He had a spray canister that he said was mace. Tried to spray me with it but it was either deodorant or cologne. The other guy was taller, maybe 5'-9", was either white or hispanic, and had dark curly hair under a green baseball cap. He wore baggy clothes as well. I could definitely identify them again. They both made a lot of threats but didn't want to go near Kinko's where there were witnesses. The crying girl (at least I think it was her, as she'd disappeared by this time) had grabbed the same black Chevy, which the two guys jumped into before driving off. Who ever said is was a Tahoe or Sububan was correct. Its an SUV type Chevrolet. Unfortunately I couldn't get the plate number or pictures. An officer came up shortly after and I filed a proper police report. He was very helpful and said the police department were well aware of her. Apparently the district attorney is putting together a case against them as well. He said calling them was the best bet I people she her again. He also mentioned that they are turning up in Natomas and Vacaville too, and said he thought they were from out of town. The pictures I got tonight didn't turn out so I have nothing to post on that end. I wish I did! She is still working the City of Davis however, so please keep your eyes out. --["Users/JamesMadden"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-21 00:10:49JamesMaddenComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 156: </td> <td> Line 156: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-21 00:10:49'' [[nbsp]] Wow. I don't think this girl knows about daviswiki. I actually ran into her again tonight! I saw her standing in the Kinko's parking lot this time. I was so dumbfounded, I parked my car, and she actually approached me again! I tried to take another picture and this time she opened my car door and tried to grab my camera. I had a tripod with me and she backed off when I grabbed it, but she got on her phone and called her friends. The nice guys at Kinko's were very helpful and were quickly on the phone to the police at this point. Two guys ran up shortly after. One was white with dark hair and had a short, thin goatee. He maybe 5'-6", wore a red baseball cap and baggy clothes. He had a spray canister that he said was mace. Tried to spray me with it but it was either deodorant or cologne. The other guy was taller, maybe 5'-9", was either white or hispanic, and had dark curly hair under a green baseball cap. He wore baggy clothes as well. I could definitely identify them again. They both made a lot of threats but didn't want to go near Kinko's where there were witnesses. The crying girl (at least I think it was her, as she'd disappeared by this time) had grabbed the same black Chevy, which the two guys jumped into before driving off. Who ever said is was a Tahoe or Sububan was correct. Its an SUV type Chevrolet. Unfortunately I couldn't get the plate number or pictures. An officer came up shortly after and I filed a proper police report. He was very helpful and said the police department were well aware of her. Apparently the district attorney is putting together a case against them as well. He said calling them was the best bet I people she her again. He also mentioned that they are turning up in Natomas and Vacaville too, and said he thought they were from out of town. The pictures I got tonight didn't turn out so I have nothing to post on that end. I wish I did! She is still working the City of Davis however, so please keep your eyes out. --["Users/JamesMadden"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-20 10:37:51JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Sightings:''' ["Downtown"] corners; shopping plazas (outside ["Nugget" Nugget Market], ["Davis Food Co-op" Co-op], both ["Safeway" Safeways], ["University Mall" U-Mall], ["Save Mart"], ["Target"], ["Walmart"], etc.) </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Sightings:''' ["Downtown"] corners; shopping plazas (outside ["Nugget" Nugget Market], ["Davis Food Co-op" Co-op], both ["Safeway" Safeways], ["University Mall" U-Mall], ["Save Mart"], ["Target"],<span>&nbsp;the ["Dixon"]</span> ["Walmart"], etc.) </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-20 09:59:37JoePomidor(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Sightings:''' ["Downtown"] corners; shopping plazas (outside ["Nugget" Nugget Market], ["Davis Food Co-op" Co-op], both ["Safeway" Safeways], ["University Mall" U-Mall], ["Save Mart"], ["Target"], etc.) </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Sightings:''' ["Downtown"] corners; shopping plazas (outside ["Nugget" Nugget Market], ["Davis Food Co-op" Co-op], both ["Safeway" Safeways], ["University Mall" U-Mall], ["Save Mart"], ["Targe<span>t"], ["Walmar</span>t"], etc.) </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-20 00:26:26StevenDaubert(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 108: </td> <td> Line 108: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ----</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-20 00:26:15StevenDaubertin hindsight removing the wording as well, it was unsigned anyways pretty idne <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 109: </td> <td> Line 109: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- = =</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 111: </td> <td> Line 110: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- Here is what an actual CA license plate would look like with those letters and numbers (D,Y,X,1). I've also thrown in a few other possible letters and numbers to compare to the unclear bits in between the X and 1. Notice how closely the D,Y,X and 1 match the enhanced photo... (The "X" might potentially be a 9.) '''Note: The picture is, of course, not of a real plate. It's just there to illustrate what letters in the font used on CA plates would look like and find possible match candidates. This plate number might belong to a real person who has no association with "The Crying Girl" at all.''' You can try this yourself at: [https://xml.dmv.ca.gov/IppWebV3/initPers.do The CA DMV website].<br> - <br> - -----</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-20 00:24:44StevenDaubertmoving comment, removing hypothertical plate picture <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 113: </td> <td> Line 113: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- [[Image(candidate license plate numbers.jpg)]]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 116: </td> <td> Line 115: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + -----<br> + <br> + ''2010-05-19 23:56:52'' [[nbsp]] I have walked into the stranded neighbor twice, and have been trying to bring her down! The first time I gave her some money and then realized I had an unused Amtrak ticket in my wallet so offered her that instead which was worth a lot more (they can be exchanged for credit on another journey). She told me they wouldn't accept it, which isn't true at all which is when I realized her story did not seem truthful. I asked her what time her train left and told her it was too late for that line and that she was wrong. I took everything I gave her back and walked away and she abused me. The next time I saw her before she even opened her mouth I told her to go away. She is a scam-artist through and through. Since then I have hoped to encounter her again and take a picture - well done to whoever did. Her MO is to target young men for obvious reasons. --["Users/thomwoodroofe"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 155: </td> <td> Line 159: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-05-19 23:56:52'' [[nbsp]] I have walked into the stranded neighbor twice, and have been trying to bring her down! The first time I gave her some money and then realized I had an unused Amtrak ticket in my wallet so offered her that instead which was worth a lot more (they can be exchanged for credit on another journey). She told me they wouldn't accept it, which isn't true at all which is when I realized her story did not seem truthful. I asked her what time her train left and told her it was too late for that line and that she was wrong. I took everything I gave her back and walked away and she abused me. The next time I saw her before she even opened her mouth I told her to go away. She is a scam-artist through and through. Since then I have hoped to encounter her again and take a picture - well done to whoever did. Her MO is to target young men for obvious reasons. --["Users/thomwoodroofe"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 23:56:52thomwoodroofeComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 155: </td> <td> Line 155: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-19 23:56:52'' [[nbsp]] I have walked into the stranded neighbor twice, and have been trying to bring her down! The first time I gave her some money and then realized I had an unused Amtrak ticket in my wallet so offered her that instead which was worth a lot more (they can be exchanged for credit on another journey). She told me they wouldn't accept it, which isn't true at all which is when I realized her story did not seem truthful. I asked her what time her train left and told her it was too late for that line and that she was wrong. I took everything I gave her back and walked away and she abused me. The next time I saw her before she even opened her mouth I told her to go away. She is a scam-artist through and through. Since then I have hoped to encounter her again and take a picture - well done to whoever did. Her MO is to target young men for obvious reasons. --["Users/thomwoodroofe"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 21:35:56KemblePopeadded link to article on Davis Voice <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 26: </td> <td> Line 26: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + '''Media Coverage:''' 2010-05-19 [http://www.davisvoice.com/2010/05/crying-girl-grifter-at-large-in-davis/ Crying Girl Grifter at Large in Davis] on ["The Davis Voice"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 21:10:26JenniferCookPDA != PDF :) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 113: </td> <td> Line 113: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Pump the brakes here internet detectives, ["John Neves"] (and by extension DPD) are more than aware of our crying girl! Her name is Amber, and she has been stopped by him and warned if this persists she will be arrested. Both license plates of both involved vehicles have been recorded, one is the dark Chevy with male, the other is red Toyota with female. If you have any further contact with crying girl / Amber please contact DPD post haste. If you were bilked please fill out the PD<span>A</span> that is linked on this page. Thank you for your time ["Daubert"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> Pump the brakes here internet detectives, ["John Neves"] (and by extension DPD) are more than aware of our crying girl! Her name is Amber, and she has been stopped by him and warned if this persists she will be arrested. Both license plates of both involved vehicles have been recorded, one is the dark Chevy with male, the other is red Toyota with female. If you have any further contact with crying girl / Amber please contact DPD post haste. If you were bilked please fill out the PD<span>F</span> that is linked on this page. Thank you for your time ["Daubert"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 19:11:55StevenDaubertformatting <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 107: </td> <td> Line 107: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- Pump the brakes here internet detectives, ["John Neves"] (and by extension DPD) are more than aware of our crying girl! Her name is Amber, and she has been stopped by him and warned if this persists she will be arrested. Both license plates of both involved vehicles have been recorded, one is the dark Chevy with male, the other is red Toyota with female. If you have any further contact with crying girl / Amber please contact DPD post haste. If you were bilked please fill out the PDA that is linked on this page. Thank you for your time ["Daubert"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 113: </td> <td> Line 112: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- = =</span> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + Pump the brakes here internet detectives, ["John Neves"] (and by extension DPD) are more than aware of our crying girl! Her name is Amber, and she has been stopped by him and warned if this persists she will be arrested. Both license plates of both involved vehicles have been recorded, one is the dark Chevy with male, the other is red Toyota with female. If you have any further contact with crying girl / Amber please contact DPD post haste. If you were bilked please fill out the PDA that is linked on this page. Thank you for your time ["Daubert"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 19:11:01StevenDaubertthe gig is upDATE UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 107: </td> <td> Line 107: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ Pump the brakes here internet detectives, ["John Neves"] (and by extension DPD) are more than aware of our crying girl! Her name is Amber, and she has been stopped by him and warned if this persists she will be arrested. Both license plates of both involved vehicles have been recorded, one is the dark Chevy with male, the other is red Toyota with female. If you have any further contact with crying girl / Amber please contact DPD post haste. If you were bilked please fill out the PDA that is linked on this page. Thank you for your time ["Daubert"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 17:36:16EdwardNiemand(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 75: </td> <td> Line 75: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + * I'm not. They're the DPD. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 17:31:08EdwardNiemand <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 15: </td> <td> Line 15: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300, "The “Crying Girl" as confirmed below by various users. If you've been scammed by her too, let us know.")]]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 51: </td> <td> Line 52: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300, "The “Crying Girl" as confirmed below by various users. If you've been scammed by her too, let us know.")]]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 15:56:24CovertProfessorprobably stating the obvious, but being cautious. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 106: </td> <td> Line 106: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Here is what an actual CA license plate would look like with those letters and numbers (D,Y,X,1). I've also thrown in a few other possible letters and numbers to compare to the unclear bits in between the X and 1. Notice how closely the D,Y,X and 1 match the enhanced photo... (The "X" might potentially be a 9.) Note: The picture is, of course, not of a real plate. It's just there to illustrate what letters in the font used on CA plates would look like and find possible match candidates. You can try this yourself at: [https://xml.dmv.ca.gov/IppWebV3/initPers.do The CA DMV website]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> Here is what an actual CA license plate would look like with those letters and numbers (D,Y,X,1). I've also thrown in a few other possible letters and numbers to compare to the unclear bits in between the X and 1. Notice how closely the D,Y,X and 1 match the enhanced photo... (The "X" might potentially be a 9.) <span>'''</span>Note: The picture is, of course, not of a real plate. It's just there to illustrate what letters in the font used on CA plates would look like and find possible match candidates. <span>This plate number might belong to a real person who has no association with "The Crying Girl" at all.'''</span> You can try this yourself at: [https://xml.dmv.ca.gov/IppWebV3/initPers.do The CA DMV website]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 15:29:42IDoNotExist(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 106: </td> <td> Line 106: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Here is what an actual CA license plate would look like with those letters and numbers (D,Y,X,1). I've also thrown in a few other possible letters and numbers to compare to the unclear bits in between the X and 1. Notice how closely the D,Y,X and 1 match the enhanced photo... (The "X" might potentially be a 9.) </td> <td> <span>+</span> Here is what an actual CA license plate would look like with those letters and numbers (D,Y,X,1). I've also thrown in a few other possible letters and numbers to compare to the unclear bits in between the X and 1. Notice how closely the D,Y,X and 1 match the enhanced photo... (The "X" might potentially be a 9.)<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;Note: The picture is, of course, not of a real plate. It's just there to illustrate what letters in the font used on CA plates would look like and find possible match candidates. You can try this yourself at: [https://xml.dmv.ca.gov/IppWebV3/initPers.do The CA DMV website].</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 15:27:29WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 79: </td> <td> Line 79: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * The original picture was 8 megapixels. The plate looks blown, but you can pick out a Y in the picture. Maybe with a higher resolution picture, there might be some recoverable detail. The license plate format for pickup trucks in California is #[a-z]#####.... and we have the letter.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * The original picture was 8 megapixels. The plate looks blown, but you can pick out a Y in the picture. Maybe with a higher resolution picture, there might be some recoverable detail. The license plate format for normal passenger vehicles in California is #[a-z][a-z][a-z]###.... and we have a letter.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 15:23:45IDoNotExist(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 106: </td> <td> Line 106: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Here is what an actual CA license plate would look like with those letters and numbers (D,Y,X,1). I've also thrown in a few other possible letters and numbers to compare to the unclear bits in between the X and 1. Notice how closely the D,Y,X and 1 match the enhanced photo... </td> <td> <span>+</span> Here is what an actual CA license plate would look like with those letters and numbers (D,Y,X,1). I've also thrown in a few other possible letters and numbers to compare to the unclear bits in between the X and 1. Notice how closely the D,Y,X and 1 match the enhanced photo...<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;(The "X" might potentially be a 9.)</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 15:22:41IDoNotExistAdded sample license plate with likely letters and numbers <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 104: </td> <td> Line 104: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ = =<br> + <br> + Here is what an actual CA license plate would look like with those letters and numbers (D,Y,X,1). I've also thrown in a few other possible letters and numbers to compare to the unclear bits in between the X and 1. Notice how closely the D,Y,X and 1 match the enhanced photo...<br> + <br> + [[Image(candidate license plate numbers.jpg)]]<br> + = =<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 15:21:53IDoNotExistUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&do=view&target=candidate%20license%20plate%20numbers.jpg">candidate license plate numbers.jpg</a>.Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 15:12:58IDoNotExist <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 100: </td> <td> Line 100: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Here's what I got. Looks like DYX something, possibly with a 1 towards the end. It's also possible that the X could be a 9 and a part of another letter. I would imagine that that would be enough for the police to narrow it down to a short list of black Suburbans or<span><br> - <br> -</span> Tahoes with those letters on the license plate. --["Users/IDoNotExist"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> Here's what I got. Looks like DYX something, possibly with a 1 towards the end. It's also possible that the X could be a 9 and a part of another letter. I would imagine that that would be enough for the police to narrow it down to a short list of black Suburbans or Tahoes with those letters on the license plate. --["Users/IDoNotExist"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 15:12:12IDoNotExist <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 98: </td> <td> Line 98: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ = =<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 15:11:47IDoNotExistreformatting comment - License appears to be DYX something (possible 1 at end) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 98: </td> <td> Line 98: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Here's what I got. Looks like DYX something, possibly with a 1 towards the end. It's also possible that the X could be a 9 and a part of another letter. <span>[[I</span>mag<span>e(license plate.jpg)]] I would imag</span>ine that that would be enough for the police to narrow it down to a short list of black Suburbans or Tahoes with those letters on the license plate. --["Users/IDoNotExist"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> Here's what I got. Looks like DYX something, possibly with a 1 towards the end. It's also possible that the X could be a 9 and a part of another letter. <span>I would i</span>magine that that would be enough for the police to narrow it down to a short list of black Suburbans or<span><br> + <br> +</span> Tahoes with those letters on the license plate. --["Users/IDoNotExist"]<span><br> + <br> + [[Image(license plate.jpg)]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 15:10:15IDoNotExist <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p>No differences found!</div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 15:09:53IDoNotExist <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 98: </td> <td> Line 98: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ Here's what I got. Looks like DYX something, possibly with a 1 towards the end. It's also possible that the X could be a 9 and a part of another letter. [[Image(license plate.jpg)]] I would imagine that that would be enough for the police to narrow it down to a short list of black Suburbans or Tahoes with those letters on the license plate. --["Users/IDoNotExist"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 15:06:22IDoNotExistUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&do=view&target=license%20plate.jpg">license plate.jpg</a>.Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 10:10:57JabberWokkyUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&do=view&target=LP_Sine.jpg">LP_Sine.jpg</a>.Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 10:10:25JabberWokkyUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&do=view&target=LP_Raw.png">LP_Raw.png</a>.Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 10:09:45JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 92: </td> <td> Line 92: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ = =<br> + It appears your photo just does not contain the information needed to pull out the rest of the plate (unless you jump into the amazing science fiction-fantasy world of CSI). The first image below is the raw data, which shows that the information is lost in the CCD and compression noise. Working with what you have, I can only get something roughly like the second image (pretty much what you got). More work could pull out a bit better view of what is there, but a good chuck of the info just isn't there. -jw<br> + <br> + [[Image(LP_Raw.png, thumbnail)]]<br> + [[Image(LP_Sine.jpg, thumbnail)]]<br> + <br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 09:43:19JoePomidorugh, i can never post a picture right on the first go <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 91: </td> <td> Line 91: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> [[Image(edited.<span>jpg</span>, thumbnail, 150, "The best I could do.")]] </td> <td> <span>+</span> [[Image(edited.<span>JPG</span>, thumbnail, 150, "The best I could do.")]] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 09:42:19JoePomidorlooks like a 1 at the end <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 91: </td> <td> Line 91: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ [[Image(edited.jpg, thumbnail, 150, "The best I could do.")]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 09:40:54JoePomidorUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&do=view&target=edited.JPG">edited.JPG</a>.Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 07:59:06JamesMaddenmoving comment and adding thumbnail <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 88: </td> <td> Line 88: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-19 07:53:37'' [[nbsp]] By request, I have just uploaded the original file. WilliamLewis was correct about the original file size being bigger. Unfortunately, I had cropped down that photo to get a better view of the crying girl. I also resampled a bit to reduce the file size, but it didn’t change the resolution around the license plate too much. However, the original file is up and maybe people can find it useful. I should also add that I can’t confirm that the guy had any relationship with the girl. Maybe if they can be seen showing up together on a security tape, we could have some more solid evidence, but at this point the guy could have been coincidental. William was also correct about the timestamp. I did set a time on my camera at some point, so the 10:22 pm should be about right. I also wanted to make a clarification to Tony about the location. This was in the north end of the parking lot between Rite Aid and Yolo Credit Union, not the area around House of Chang or Round Table. Tony, I also liked that you posted to facebook, I think that’s a great idea! --["Users/JamesMadden"]<br> + [[Image(IMG_1580.JPG, thumbnail, 150, "Click image to see the full resolution original.")]]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 126: </td> <td> Line 128: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-05-19 07:53:37'' [[nbsp]] By request, I have just uploaded the original file. WilliamLewis was correct about the original file size being bigger. Unfortunately, I had cropped down that photo to get a better view of the crying girl. I also resampled a bit to reduce the file size, but it didn’t change the resolution around the license plate too much. However, the original file is up and maybe people can find it useful. I should also add that I can’t confirm that the guy had any relationship with the girl. Maybe if they can be seen showing up together on a security tape, we could have some more solid evidence, but at this point the guy could have been coincidental. William was also correct about the timestamp. I did set a time on my camera at some point, so the 10:22 pm should be about right. I also wanted to make a clarification to Tony about the location. This was in the north end of the parking lot between Rite Aid and Yolo Credit Union, not the area around House of Chang or Round Table. Tony, I also liked that you posted to facebook, I think that’s a great idea! --["Users/JamesMadden"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 07:53:37JamesMaddenComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 126: </td> <td> Line 126: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-19 07:53:37'' [[nbsp]] By request, I have just uploaded the original file. WilliamLewis was correct about the original file size being bigger. Unfortunately, I had cropped down that photo to get a better view of the crying girl. I also resampled a bit to reduce the file size, but it didn’t change the resolution around the license plate too much. However, the original file is up and maybe people can find it useful. I should also add that I can’t confirm that the guy had any relationship with the girl. Maybe if they can be seen showing up together on a security tape, we could have some more solid evidence, but at this point the guy could have been coincidental. William was also correct about the timestamp. I did set a time on my camera at some point, so the 10:22 pm should be about right. I also wanted to make a clarification to Tony about the location. This was in the north end of the parking lot between Rite Aid and Yolo Credit Union, not the area around House of Chang or Round Table. Tony, I also liked that you posted to facebook, I think that’s a great idea! --["Users/JamesMadden"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 07:52:49JamesMaddenUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&do=view&target=IMG_1580.JPG">IMG_1580.JPG</a>.Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 02:34:03TonyAhr <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 84: </td> <td> Line 84: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ *Seriously, that was amazing! --["Users/TonyAhr"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 86: </td> <td> Line 87: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ * JamesMadden, I gotta thank you again for risking life and limb and getting that awesome picture of her in our parking lot. I posted a facebook note about her, "Crying Girl Con Artist in Davis" with that picture and linked it to a bunch of my Davis friends' walls, so that picture is spreading fast. The more people that recognize her, the better. --["Users/TonyAhr"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 00:37:10StevenDaubert(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 56: </td> <td> Line 56: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Looks like her to me ["Daubert"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-19 00:19:36JoePomidor(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 82: </td> <td> Line 82: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I would like to congratulate you, sir. That is the best damn thing I ever saw on the wiki. --["Users/JoePomidor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 23:40:58hankimAdded Jim's information to main. He can delete his comment if he wants to. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 90: </td> <td> Line 90: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> This usually happens when someone leaves a posting online for a room that is available for rent. The con artist usually poses as a foreign student and contacts the poster about being interested in the room and then sends a check that is a certain amount over the requested amount for deposit, first month's rent, or any other possible costs involved in adding oneself to a lease. Then the con artist contacts the poster and asks for the extra money to be wired back (before the check bounces) in order to purchase plane tickets. Once the poster wires the money, the poster is out at least a thousand dollars or so. So those with an available room for rent, make sure the check clears before wiring money to anyone. </td> <td> <span>+</span> This usually happens when someone leaves a posting online for a room that is available for rent. The con artist usually poses as a foreign student and contacts the poster about being interested in the room and then sends a check that is a certain amount over the requested amount for deposit, first month's rent, or any other possible costs involved in adding oneself to a lease. Then the con artist contacts the poster and asks for the extra money to be wired back (before the check bounces) in order to purchase plane tickets. Once the poster wires the money, the poster is out at least a thousand dollars or so. So those with an available room for rent, make sure the check clears before wiring money to anyone.<span>&nbsp;But a cleared check does not put you completely in the clear. Banks are required by law to make funds available within a few days but it might take weeks before the issuer's bank processes and clears the check. Before the check is cleared by the issuer's bank, your bank is basically loaning you the money.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 23:22:24EBTmoving this up there with main part of article <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 23: </td> <td> Line 23: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + Everyone who has had an interaction with her should file a police report using [http://cityofdavis.org/police/pdfs/forms/Offense_Report.pdf this form] (pdf). They don't need to catch her in the act, they just need reports and witnesses of the crimes to arrest her and have her convicted. So take a few minutes to report her if she conned you. --["Users/ChrisDietrich"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 83: </td> <td> Line 85: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - "2010-05-18-22:13:30" [[nbsp]] Everyone who has had an interaction with her should file a police report using the following link. The don't need to catch her in the act, they just need reports and witnesses of the crimes to arrest her and have her convicted. So take a few minutes to report her if she conned you. http://cityofdavis.org/police/pdfs/forms/Offense_Report.pdf --["Users/ChrisDietrich"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 23:17:13IDoNotExistNeed the original photo <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 80: </td> <td> Line 80: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Yup. The problem with the current version of the picture is that there are only a few pixels devoted to the info on the plate. The plate is reflective, and the lighting conditions were dark, so the sensor mostly picked up white off the plate. But playing with the contrast, color channels, and other settings in photoshop off the original photo may reveal the actual letters. Can someone post that one? --["Users/IDoNotExist"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 23:12:49hankim(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 79: </td> <td> Line 79: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * [http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7526/concrete.jpg YEEAAAAHH] --["Users/hankim"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 22:51:52WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 78: </td> <td> Line 78: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Oh yeah, baby!</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 22:50:29hankim(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 77: </td> <td> Line 77: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * So we get the original picture, up the contrast and decrease the brightness and act like we're on an episode of CSI or something? --["Users/hankim"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 22:48:14WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 76: </td> <td> Line 76: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * The original picture was 8 megapixels. The plate looks blown, but you can pick out a Y in the picture. Maybe with a higher resolution picture, there might be some recoverable detail. The license plate format for pickup trucks in California is #[a-z]#####.... and we have the letter.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 22:27:07IDoNotExist <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 75: </td> <td> Line 75: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Also, if you play with the brightness and contrast of the image, it's definitely a Chevy. Chevrolet is clearly readable on the back. Unfortunately, there's not enough info in the image to learn anything other than that about the truck. But perhaps her purse would lead police to her. It looks pretty distinctive. Maybe they can tie it to a store and a credit card? --["Users/IDoNotExist"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 22:23:23ChrisDietrichcomment added <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 75: </td> <td> Line 75: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I saw the truck when she got me...the dude was trying to pull all the way through a space to the other side (where we were trying to park). He was wearing a red shirt and a red hat. He was very apologetic when he realized he was pulling through to where we were parking. --["Users/ChrisDietrich"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 22:19:23ChrisDietrichquick edit <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 77: </td> <td> Line 77: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> "2010-05-18-22:13:30" [[nbsp]] Everyone who has had an interaction with her should file a police report using the following link. The don't need to catch he in the act, they just need reports and witnesses of the crimes to arrest her and have her convicted. So take a few minutes to report her if she conned you. http://cityofdavis.org/police/pdfs/forms/Offense_Report.pdf --["Users/ChrisDietrich"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> "2010-05-18-22:13:30" [[nbsp]] Everyone who has had an interaction with her should file a police report using the following link. The don't need to catch he<span>r</span> in the act, they just need reports and witnesses of the crimes to arrest her and have her convicted. So take a few minutes to report her if she conned you. http://cityofdavis.org/police/pdfs/forms/Offense_Report.pdf --["Users/ChrisDietrich"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 22:19:22IDoNotExistA clue! A clue! (Too much pollen) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 74: </td> <td> Line 74: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * The license portion of the photo doesn't contain enough information to extract the plate letters. But it does appear to have a yellow registration sticker on the top right. (Yeah, that should really narrow it down. ;-) ) --["Users/IDoNotExist"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 22:18:32ChrisDietrichcomments added <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 76: </td> <td> Line 76: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> "2010-05-18-22:13:30" [[nbsp]] Everyone who has had an interaction with her should file a police report using the following link. The don't need to catch he in the act, they just need reports and witnesses of the crimes to arrest her and have her convicted. So take a few minutes to report her if she conned you. http://cityofdavis.org/police/pdfs/forms/Offense_Report.pdf </td> <td> <span>+</span> "2010-05-18-22:13:30" [[nbsp]] Everyone who has had an interaction with her should file a police report using the following link. The don't need to catch he in the act, they just need reports and witnesses of the crimes to arrest her and have her convicted. So take a few minutes to report her if she conned you. http://cityofdavis.org/police/pdfs/forms/Offense_Report.pdf<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;--["Users/ChrisDietrich"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 22:16:12ChrisDietrich <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 74: </td> <td> Line 74: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + ------<br> + "2010-05-18-22:13:30" [[nbsp]] Everyone who has had an interaction with her should file a police report using the following link. The don't need to catch he in the act, they just need reports and witnesses of the crimes to arrest her and have her convicted. So take a few minutes to report her if she conned you. http://cityofdavis.org/police/pdfs/forms/Offense_Report.pdf<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 22:01:47EBT(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 72: </td> <td> Line 72: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2010-05-18 21:32:47'' [[nbsp]] Thanks for the responses people. To TonyAhr's questions on my user page, that photo was taken toward the north end of the Safeway parking lot. The time of night was about 10pm. Hopefully there's a security tape of her. She was stopping a lot of people out there. A few people have also mentioned a black or dark colored truck and a male companion. I think I actually encountered him too. In fact the truck can be seen in the background, (unfortunately its somewhat obscured). As I was taking that picture a guy jumped out and began making threats to me. Figured he was just taking the side of a random girl. I didn't want to stir up a fight so I split as soon as I got the picture. All this could have been coincidence, but now it makes me wonder a little bit. Maybe someone can get another picture. :) As far as the Davis Police Department goes, I would love to see them get caught. Unfortunately, I think the police need to catch her in the act. In the meantime, this will hopefully get people on alert. Calling the police is definitely a very good idea if you spot her running this scam. If the police physically see her doing it, they would have a good case. --["Users/JamesMadden"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2010-05-18 21:32:47'' [[nbsp]] Thanks for the responses people. To TonyAhr's questions on my user page, that photo was taken toward the north end of the Safeway parking lot. The time of night was about 10pm. Hopefully there's a security tape of her. She was stopping a lot of people out there. A few people have also mentioned a black or dark colored truck and a male companion. I think I actually encountered him too. In fact the truck can be seen in the background, (unfortunately it<span>'</span>s somewhat obscured). As I was taking that picture a guy jumped out and began making threats to me. Figured he was just taking the side of a random girl. I didn't want to stir up a fight so I split as soon as I got the picture. All this could have been coincidence, but now it makes me wonder a little bit. Maybe someone can get another picture. :) As far as the Davis Police Department goes, I would love to see them get caught. Unfortunately, I think the police need to catch her in the act. In the meantime, this will hopefully get people on alert. Calling the police is definitely a very good idea if you spot her running this scam. If the police physically see her doing it, they would have a good case. --["Users/JamesMadden"]<span><br> + * Now that you point it out, yeah, I see the truck. Too bad the license plate isn't clearer.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 21:39:46JamesMaddenwould like to keep the confirmations coming, if there are more. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 49: </td> <td> Line 49: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300, "The “Crying Girl<span>,”</span> as confirmed by <span>["U</span>sers<span>/</span>c<span>j</span>o<span>e" CJ]</span>, <span>["Users/TonyAhr" TA], and ["Users/ChrisDi</span>et<span>rich"</span> <span>CD]</span>.")]] </td> <td> <span>+</span> [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300, "The “Crying Girl<span>"</span> as confirmed b<span>elow b</span>y <span>various u</span>sers<span>. If you've been s</span>c<span>ammed by her t</span>o<span>o</span>, <span>l</span>et <span>us know</span>.")]] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 21:34:21JamesMaddenmoving that comment <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 71: </td> <td> Line 71: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - </span> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-18 21:32:47'' [[nbsp]] Thanks for the responses people. To TonyAhr's questions on my user page, that photo was taken toward the north end of the Safeway parking lot. The time of night was about 10pm. Hopefully there's a security tape of her. She was stopping a lot of people out there. A few people have also mentioned a black or dark colored truck and a male companion. I think I actually encountered him too. In fact the truck can be seen in the background, (unfortunately its somewhat obscured). As I was taking that picture a guy jumped out and began making threats to me. Figured he was just taking the side of a random girl. I didn't want to stir up a fight so I split as soon as I got the picture. All this could have been coincidence, but now it makes me wonder a little bit. Maybe someone can get another picture. :) As far as the Davis Police Department goes, I would love to see them get caught. Unfortunately, I think the police need to catch her in the act. In the meantime, this will hopefully get people on alert. Calling the police is definitely a very good idea if you spot her running this scam. If the police physically see her doing it, they would have a good case. --["Users/JamesMadden"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 110: </td> <td> Line 110: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2010-05-18 21:32:47'' [[nbsp]] Thanks for the responses people. To TonyAhr's questions on my user page, that photo was taken toward the north end of the Safeway parking lot. The time of night was about 10pm. Hopefully there's a security tape of her. She was stopping a lot of people out there. A few people have also mentioned a black or dark colored truck and a male companion. I think I actually encountered him too. In fact the truck can be seen in the background, (unfortunately its somewhat obscured). As I was taking that picture a guy jumped out and began making threats to me. Figured he was just taking the side of a random girl. I didn't want to stir up a fight so I split as soon as I got the picture. All this could have been coincidence, but now it makes me wonder a little bit. Maybe someone can get another picture. :) As far as the Davis Police Department goes, I would love to see them get caught. Unfortunately, I think the police need to catch her in the act. In the meantime, this will hopefully get people on alert. Calling the police is definitely a very good idea if you spot her running this scam. If the police physically see her doing it, they would have a good case. --["Users/JamesMadden"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 21:32:47JamesMaddenComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 109: </td> <td> Line 109: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-18 21:32:47'' [[nbsp]] Thanks for the responses people. To TonyAhr's questions on my user page, that photo was taken toward the north end of the Safeway parking lot. The time of night was about 10pm. Hopefully there's a security tape of her. She was stopping a lot of people out there. A few people have also mentioned a black or dark colored truck and a male companion. I think I actually encountered him too. In fact the truck can be seen in the background, (unfortunately its somewhat obscured). As I was taking that picture a guy jumped out and began making threats to me. Figured he was just taking the side of a random girl. I didn't want to stir up a fight so I split as soon as I got the picture. All this could have been coincidence, but now it makes me wonder a little bit. Maybe someone can get another picture. :) As far as the Davis Police Department goes, I would love to see them get caught. Unfortunately, I think the police need to catch her in the act. In the meantime, this will hopefully get people on alert. Calling the police is definitely a very good idea if you spot her running this scam. If the police physically see her doing it, they would have a good case. --["Users/JamesMadden"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 20:50:37JamesMaddenfixing some of my poor spelling <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 50: </td> <td> Line 50: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> So last thursday, May 13, I was stopped by someone fitting this description. She had beached hair, lots of mascara and the same story (the one about being stranded by her mom). She was also holding a train schedule. I managed to get a picture. (She didn't like that at all. Notice the chunk of concrete in her hand<span>.</span> It was thrown at me a second later.) Wanted to see if this is the same girl others have been stopped by. I don't want to accuse her, but the experience was a little to similar to what I'd read on here. --["users/JamesMadden"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> So last thursday, May 13, I was stopped by someone fitting this description. She had b<span>l</span>eached hair, lots of mascara and the same story (the one about being stranded by her mom). She was also holding a train schedule. I managed to get a picture. (She didn't like that at all. Notice the chunk of concrete in her hand<span>?</span> It was thrown at me a second later.) Wanted to see if this is the same girl others have been stopped by. I don't want to accuse her, but the experience was a little t<span>o</span>o similar to what I'd read on here. --["users/JamesMadden"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 20:14:42JimStewartA cleared check is not necessarily a good check <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 80: </td> <td> Line 80: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Don't think that a cleared check will stop the bank from taking the money from you. They can up to 3 months after the check is cashed. --["Users/jimstewart"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 19:01:27JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 107: </td> <td> Line 107: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - * ''Check out ["/Talk"] for discussions about this page rather than the</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 18:25:06EBTelevator service. ding! <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 69: </td> <td> Line 69: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-18 18:22:11'' [[nbsp]] I'm really surprised the DPD hasn't seemed to be involved. Sounds like this girl is a public nuisance. --["Users/jsbmeb"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 107: </td> <td> Line 108: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * ''Check out ["/Talk"] for discussions about this page rather than the topic''<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-18 18:22:11'' [[nbsp]] I'm really surprised the DPD hasn't seemed to be involved. Sounds like this girl is a public nuisance. --["Users/jsbmeb"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * ''Check out ["/Talk"] for discussions about this page rather than the</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 18:23:39JenniferCookreply to patrick <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 68: </td> <td> Line 68: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Yep, same with me. She made a point of asking both my boyfriend and me individually if we had any money we could give her. I found it a little suspect at the time. --["Users/JenniferCook"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 18:22:11jsbmebComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 107: </td> <td> Line 107: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-18 18:22:11'' [[nbsp]] I'm really surprised the DPD hasn't seemed to be involved. Sounds like this girl is a public nuisance. --["Users/jsbmeb"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 17:42:37EBTconfid man picture kind of clashes with photo of cg <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 28: </td> <td> Line 28: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- [[Image(William.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300, "In the late 1840s, the term "confidence man" was coined to describe [wiki:wikipedia:"William Thompson (confidence man)" William Thompson]")]]<br> - </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 50: </td> <td> Line 48: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 53: </td> <td> Line 49: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300, "The “Crying Girl,” as confirmed by ["Users/cjoe" CJ], ["Users/TonyAhr" TA], and ["Users/ChrisDietrich" CD].")]]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 58: </td> <td> Line 55: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, 300, "The “Crying Girl,” as confirmed by ["Users/cjoe" CJ], ["Users/TonyAhr" TA], and ["Users/ChrisDietrich" CD].")]]<br> - == ==</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 70: </td> <td> Line 65: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2010-05-18 17:11:21'' [[nbsp]] This is the crying girl. She tried to get me to give her money in the Save Mart parking lot and when I refused she got into a big black tahoe/suburban with a guy. She was not very convincing, her bus schedule was way to old for her to actually be trying to get a current train. I hope something can be done about her, she is ridiculous and should feel horrible about what she is doing. Will the Aggie do an article about her to spread the word?<span><br> - </span> --["Users/gilmore518"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2010-05-18 17:11:21'' [[nbsp]] This is the crying girl. She tried to get me to give her money in the Save Mart parking lot and when I refused she got into a big black tahoe/suburban with a guy. She was not very convincing, her bus schedule was way to old for her to actually be trying to get a current train. I hope something can be done about her, she is ridiculous and should feel horrible about what she is doing. Will the Aggie do an article about her to spread the word? --["Users/gilmore518"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 78: </td> <td> Line 72: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + [[Image(William.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300, "In the late 1840s, the term "confidence man" was coined to describe [wiki:wikipedia:"William Thompson (confidence man)" William Thompson]")]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 17:31:20EBTmoved comments up + delete duplicates + small stuff <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 16: </td> <td> Line 16: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Sightings:''' ["Downtown"] corners<span>,</span> ["Nugget" Nugget Market], ["Davis Food Co-op" Co-op], <span>Sou</span>th <span>Davis </span>["Safeway"], ["University Mall" U-Mall]<span>&nbsp;Bank of Ameri</span>c<span>a, ["Target"] Parking Lot</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Sightings:''' ["Downtown"] corners<span>; shopping plazas (outside</span> ["Nugget" Nugget Market], ["Davis Food Co-op" Co-op], <span>bo</span>th ["Safeway"<span>&nbsp;Safeways</span>], ["University Mall" U-Mall]<span>, ["Save Mart"], ["Target"], et</span>c<span>.)</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 22: </td> <td> Line 22: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''For Your Safety:''' If you see her roping someone in, be careful when warning the victims away. She has been known to follow whistleblowers for blocks, threatening and shouting at them. You may have a piece of concrete hurled your way if you try to take a picture of her (see below). Additionally, she usually has backup with her, often in the form of a waiting car with a male driver. </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''For Your Safety:''' If you see her roping someone in, be careful when warning the victims away. She has been known to follow whistleblowers for blocks, threatening and shouting at them. You may have a piece of concrete hurled your way if you try to take a picture of her (see below). Additionally, she usually has backup with her, often in the form of a waiting car <span>(black suburban/tahoe) </span>with a male driver. </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 69: </td> <td> Line 69: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-18 17:11:21'' [[nbsp]] This is the crying girl. She tried to get me to give her money in the Save Mart parking lot and when I refused she got into a big black tahoe/suburban with a guy. She was not very convincing, her bus schedule was way to old for her to actually be trying to get a current train. I hope something can be done about her, she is ridiculous and should feel horrible about what she is doing. Will the Aggie do an article about her to spread the word?<br> + --["Users/gilmore518"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2010-05-18 17:18:23'' [[nbsp]] she approached my girlfriend and I outside North Davis Safeway a few months ago. Glad we didn't buy the story. --["Users/patrick82"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 105: </td> <td> Line 111: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-05-18 17:11:21'' [[nbsp]] This is the crying girl. She tried to get me to give her money in the Save Mart parking lot and when I refused she got into a big black tahoe/suburban with a guy. She was not very convincing, her bus schedule was way to old for her to actually be trying to get a current train. I hope something can be done about her, she is ridiculous and should feel horrible about what she is doing. Will the Aggie do an article about her to spread the word?<br> - --["Users/gilmore518"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-18 17:13:29'' [[nbsp]] This is the crying girl. She tried to get me to give her money in the Save Mart parking lot and when I refused she got into a big black tahoe/suburban with a guy. She was not very convincing, her bus schedule was way to old for her to actually be trying to get a current train. I hope something can be done about her, she is ridiculous and should feel horrible about what she is doing. Will the Aggie do an article about her to spread the word?<br> - --["Users/gilmore518"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-18 17:18:23'' [[nbsp]] she approached my girlfriend and I outside North Davis Safeway a few months ago. Glad we didn't buy the story. --["Users/patrick82"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 17:18:23patrick82Comment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 111: </td> <td> Line 111: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-18 17:18:23'' [[nbsp]] she approached my girlfriend and I outside North Davis Safeway a few months ago. Glad we didn't buy the story. --["Users/patrick82"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 17:13:29gilmore518Comment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 108: </td> <td> Line 108: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-18 17:13:29'' [[nbsp]] This is the crying girl. She tried to get me to give her money in the Save Mart parking lot and when I refused she got into a big black tahoe/suburban with a guy. She was not very convincing, her bus schedule was way to old for her to actually be trying to get a current train. I hope something can be done about her, she is ridiculous and should feel horrible about what she is doing. Will the Aggie do an article about her to spread the word?<br> + --["Users/gilmore518"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 17:11:21gilmore518Comment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 105: </td> <td> Line 105: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-18 17:11:21'' [[nbsp]] This is the crying girl. She tried to get me to give her money in the Save Mart parking lot and when I refused she got into a big black tahoe/suburban with a guy. She was not very convincing, her bus schedule was way to old for her to actually be trying to get a current train. I hope something can be done about her, she is ridiculous and should feel horrible about what she is doing. Will the Aggie do an article about her to spread the word?<br> + --["Users/gilmore518"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 15:20:30EBT(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 22: </td> <td> Line 22: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''For Your Safety:''' If you see her roping someone in, be careful when warning the victims away. She has been known to follow whistleblowers for blocks, threatening and shouting at them. <span>One editor had</span> a piece of concrete hurled <span>his way when he too</span>k a picture (see below). Additionally, <span>Tony warns that she</span> has backup with her, <span>usually</span> in the form of a waiting car with a male driver. </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''For Your Safety:''' If you see her roping someone in, be careful when warning the victims away. She has been known to follow whistleblowers for blocks, threatening and shouting at them. <span>You may have</span> a piece of concrete hurled <span>your way if you try to ta</span>k<span>e</span> a picture<span>&nbsp;of her</span> (see below). Additionally, <span>she usually</span> has backup with her, <span>often</span> in the form of a waiting car with a male driver. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 15:17:34EBTintegrating comments into safety warnings <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 16: </td> <td> Line 16: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Sightings:''' ["Downtown"] corners, <span>W</span>e<span>s</span>t<span>&nbsp;Davis</span> Nugget Market, Co-op, South Davis ["Safeway"], ["University Mall" U-Mall] Bank of America, ["Target"] Parking Lot </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Sightings:''' ["Downtown"] corners, <span>["Nugg</span>et<span>"</span> Nugget Market<span>]</span>,<span>&nbsp;["Davis Food</span> Co-op<span>" Co-op]</span>, South Davis ["Safeway"], ["University Mall" U-Mall] Bank of America, ["Target"] Parking Lot </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 18: </td> <td> Line 18: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Seen:''' <span>Ma</span>r<span>ch</span> 20<span>1</span>0 </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Seen:''' <span>Novembe</span>r 200<span>9 (?) – Present</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 22: </td> <td> Line 22: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- '''Note:''' If you see her roping someone in, be careful when warning the victims away. She has been known to follow people who do this for blocks, shouting at them and threatening them.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ '''For Your Safety:''' If you see her roping someone in, be careful when warning the victims away. She has been known to follow whistleblowers for blocks, threatening and shouting at them. One editor had a piece of concrete hurled his way when he took a picture (see below). Additionally, Tony warns that she has backup with her, usually in the form of a waiting car with a male driver.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 54: </td> <td> Line 54: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Concrete snowball fight, sounds fun. Do you recall where this took place? --["Users/EBT"]<br> <span>-</span> It was at the Safeway in South Davis. -- JamesMadden </td> <td> <span>+</span> <span>&nbsp;*</span> Concrete snowball fight, sounds fun. Do you recall where this took place? --["Users/EBT"]<br> <span>+</span> <span>&nbsp;*</span> It was at the Safeway in South Davis. -- JamesMadden </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 58: </td> <td> Line 58: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, 300, "<span>P</span>h<span>oto</span> <span>of "</span>Crying Girl<span>"</span> confirmed by ["Users/cjoe"]<span>&nbsp;and</span> ["Users/TonyAhr"]")]] </td> <td> <span>+</span> [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, 300, "<span>T</span>h<span>e</span> <span>“</span>Crying Girl<span>,” as</span> confirmed by ["Users/cjoe"<span>&nbsp;CJ</span>]<span>,</span> ["Users/TonyAhr"<span>&nbsp;TA</span>]<span>, and ["Users/ChrisDietrich" CD].</span>")]] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 15:00:22EBT(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 66: </td> <td> Line 66: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ That level of preparedness is pretty telling about how serious this thing is, isn't it? --ebt</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 14:55:32EBTminor stylistic edits <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 85: </td> <td> Line 85: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 87: </td> <td> Line 86: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - <br> - <br> -</span> =Other Cons= </td> <td> <span>+</span> =<span>&nbsp;</span>Other Cons<span>&nbsp;</span>= </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 102: </td> <td> Line 98: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> <span>&nbsp;*</span> ''See also ["shadiness factor"], ["bank robberies"], ["cults"] and ["crime"]'' </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''See also ["shadiness factor"], ["bank robberies"], ["cults"] and ["crime"]'' </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 14:53:08EBTmoving comment to respective section <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 64: </td> <td> Line 64: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-18 04:31:00'' [[nbsp]] That picture is definitely the Crying Girl. I've seen her in South Davis a a little more than a half dozen times starting around Novemeber and ending around February, though apparently she's showing back up. She doesn't work alone by the way, she usually has a car waiting for her, with a male driver. --["Users/TonyAhr"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2010-05-18 14:41:08'' [[nbsp]] I can confirm that girl in the picture is the crying girl. She conned me and my fiancee last Friday in the parking lot by fex-ex/kinkos. --["Users/ChrisDietrich"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 104: </td> <td> Line 108: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-05-18 04:31:00'' [[nbsp]] That picture is definitely the Crying Girl. I've seen her in South Davis a a little more than a half dozen times starting around Novemeber and ending around February, though apparently she's showing back up. She doesn't work alone by the way, she usually has a car waiting for her, with a male driver. --["Users/TonyAhr"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-18 14:41:08'' [[nbsp]] I can confirm that girl in the picture is the crying girl. She conned me and my fiancee last Friday in the parking lot by fex-ex/kinkos. --["Users/ChrisDietrich"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 14:41:08ChrisDietrichComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 106: </td> <td> Line 106: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-18 14:41:08'' [[nbsp]] I can confirm that girl in the picture is the crying girl. She conned me and my fiancee last Friday in the parking lot by fex-ex/kinkos. --["Users/ChrisDietrich"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 09:46:45JoePomidor(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 56: </td> <td> Line 56: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Wow, that sounds...sort of like assault, to me. --["Users/JoePomidor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 09:04:10DagonJoneschanging caption of crying girl photo to show confirmation <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 57: </td> <td> Line 57: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, 300, "Disclaimer: This is currently an unconfirmed picture of the crying girl scam artist. Maybe you can confirm?")]]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, 300, "Photo of "Crying Girl" confirmed by ["Users/cjoe"] and ["Users/TonyAhr"]")]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-18 04:31:00TonyAhrComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 103: </td> <td> Line 103: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-18 04:31:00'' [[nbsp]] That picture is definitely the Crying Girl. I've seen her in South Davis a a little more than a half dozen times starting around Novemeber and ending around February, though apparently she's showing back up. She doesn't work alone by the way, she usually has a car waiting for her, with a male driver. --["Users/TonyAhr"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-17 19:18:59BrentLaabs+CFC <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 89: </td> <td> Line 89: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * ["Club Finance Council"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-17 18:05:24EBTmoving comment to respective section <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 61: </td> <td> Line 61: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-17 18:01:08'' [[nbsp]] i've seen "the crying girl" on multiple occasions at the marketplace in west davis. i called the cops on her and she ran away. i can positively identify her in the picture of her. that is most definitely her. --["Users/cjoe"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 99: </td> <td> Line 102: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-05-17 18:01:08'' [[nbsp]] i've seen "the crying girl" on multiple occasions at the marketplace in west davis. i called the cops on her and she ran away. i can positively identify her in the picture of her. that is most definitely her. --["Users/cjoe"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-17 18:01:08cjoeComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 100: </td> <td> Line 100: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-17 18:01:08'' [[nbsp]] i've seen "the crying girl" on multiple occasions at the marketplace in west davis. i called the cops on her and she ran away. i can positively identify her in the picture of her. that is most definitely her. --["Users/cjoe"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-17 08:03:17JamesMaddenresponse to ebt <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 53: </td> <td> Line 53: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> So last thursday I was stopped by someone fitting this description. She had beached hair, lots of mascara and the same story (the one about being stranded by her mom). She was also holding a train schedule. I managed to get a picture. (She didn't like that at all. Notice the chunk of concrete in her hand. It was thrown at me a second later.) Wanted to see if this is the same girl others have been stopped by. I don't want to accuse her, but the experience was a little to similar to what I'd read on here. </td> <td> <span>+</span> So last thursday<span>, May 13,</span> I was stopped by someone fitting this description. She had beached hair, lots of mascara and the same story (the one about being stranded by her mom). She was also holding a train schedule. I managed to get a picture. (She didn't like that at all. Notice the chunk of concrete in her hand. It was thrown at me a second later.) Wanted to see if this is the same girl others have been stopped by. I don't want to accuse her, but the experience was a little to similar to what I'd read on here.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;--["users/JamesMadden"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 55: </td> <td> Line 55: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - ''2010-05-17 06:34:43'' [[nbsp]] Yeah, I ran into the Crying Girl in front of G Street Pub a few months ago. I directed her towards the Davis Cold Weather Shelter, since it was dark, and I knew that odds were slim on her getting a train out of town that late. --["Users/Flynn"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ It was at the Safeway in South Davis. -- JamesMadden</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 59: </td> <td> Line 58: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ == ==<br> + ------<br> + ''2010-05-17 06:34:43'' [[nbsp]] Yeah, I ran into the Crying Girl in front of G Street Pub a few months ago. I directed her towards the Davis Cold Weather Shelter, since it was dark, and I knew that odds were slim on her getting a train out of town that late. --["Users/Flynn"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-17 06:36:26Flynn <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 56: </td> <td> Line 56: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ''2010-05-17 06:34:43'' [[nbsp]] Yeah, I ran into the Crying Girl in front of G Street Pub a few months ago. I directed her towards the Davis Cold Weather Shelter, since it was dark, and I knew that odds were slim on her getting a train out of town that late. --["Users/Flynn"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 96: </td> <td> Line 98: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2010-05-17 06:34:43'' [[nbsp]] Yeah, I ran into the Crying Girl in front of G Street Pub a few months ago. I directed her towards the Davis Cold Weather Shelter, since it was dark, and I knew that odds were slim on her getting a train out of town that late. --["Users/Flynn"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-17 06:34:43FlynnComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 95: </td> <td> Line 95: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-05-17 06:34:43'' [[nbsp]] Yeah, I ran into the Crying Girl in front of G Street Pub a few months ago. I directed her towards the Davis Cold Weather Shelter, since it was dark, and I knew that odds were slim on her getting a train out of town that late. --["Users/Flynn"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-16 23:16:56EBT(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 54: </td> <td> Line 54: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ Concrete snowball fight, sounds fun. Do you recall where this took place? --["Users/EBT"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-16 22:51:38hankimAdded disclaimer. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 55: </td> <td> Line 55: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, 300)]]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, 300, "Disclaimer: This is currently an unconfirmed picture of the crying girl scam artist. Maybe you can confirm?")]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-16 22:48:03PhilipNeustrom <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 13: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ [[anchor(crying)]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-16 22:45:17PhilipNeustromRevert to version 173 (actually, moving back down until someone who's had exp can confirm). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 24: </td> <td> Line 24: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, 300, "Could this be her? Someone had a similar experience with this pictured woman")]]<br> - <br> - ''So last thursday I was stopped by someone fitting this description. She had beached hair, lots of mascara and the same story (the one about being stranded by her mom). She was also holding a train schedule. I managed to get a picture. (She didn't like that at all. Notice the chunk of concrete in her hand. It was thrown at me a second later.) Wanted to see if this is the same girl others have been stopped by. I don't want to accuse her, but the experience was a little to similar to what I'd read on here.''</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 53: </td> <td> Line 49: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + <br> + ------<br> + So last thursday I was stopped by someone fitting this description. She had beached hair, lots of mascara and the same story (the one about being stranded by her mom). She was also holding a train schedule. I managed to get a picture. (She didn't like that at all. Notice the chunk of concrete in her hand. It was thrown at me a second later.) Wanted to see if this is the same girl others have been stopped by. I don't want to accuse her, but the experience was a little to similar to what I'd read on here.<br> + <br> + [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, 300)]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-16 22:42:15PhilipNeustrommoved up due to importance, know someone who was attempted scammed by her as wel <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 24: </td> <td> Line 24: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, 300, "Could this be her? Someone had a similar experience with this pictured woman")]]<br> + <br> + ''So last thursday I was stopped by someone fitting this description. She had beached hair, lots of mascara and the same story (the one about being stranded by her mom). She was also holding a train schedule. I managed to get a picture. (She didn't like that at all. Notice the chunk of concrete in her hand. It was thrown at me a second later.) Wanted to see if this is the same girl others have been stopped by. I don't want to accuse her, but the experience was a little to similar to what I'd read on here.''</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 49: </td> <td> Line 53: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - <br> - ------<br> - So last thursday I was stopped by someone fitting this description. She had beached hair, lots of mascara and the same story (the one about being stranded by her mom). She was also holding a train schedule. I managed to get a picture. (She didn't like that at all. Notice the chunk of concrete in her hand. It was thrown at me a second later.) Wanted to see if this is the same girl others have been stopped by. I don't want to accuse her, but the experience was a little to similar to what I'd read on here.<br> - <br> - [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, 300)]]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-16 22:30:55JamesMaddentell me if this is her <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 51: </td> <td> Line 51: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + So last thursday I was stopped by someone fitting this description. She had beached hair, lots of mascara and the same story (the one about being stranded by her mom). She was also holding a train schedule. I managed to get a picture. (She didn't like that at all. Notice the chunk of concrete in her hand. It was thrown at me a second later.) Wanted to see if this is the same girl others have been stopped by. I don't want to accuse her, but the experience was a little to similar to what I'd read on here.<br> + <br> + [[Image(cryinggirl.jpg, thumbnail, 300)]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-05-16 22:23:06JamesMaddenUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&do=view&target=cryinggirl.jpg">cryinggirl.jpg</a>.Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-08 13:57:56JabberWokkyI agree. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 88: </td> <td> Line 88: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * ''The discussion about the ethics of corporations, homeless rights and Tiger Woods' salary was moved to ["Users/ScottMeehleib"]'s entry (the person whose comment started the conversation)''</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 90: </td> <td> Line 89: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - ''2010-03-22 17:17:46'' [[nbsp]]The only way to get [the crying girl arrested], I think, is to get scammed by her and then immediately place her under citizen's arrest and call the cops. The police are doing nothing. I can see that ending badly in many, many different ways, though. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> - * What, exactly would you arrest her for? It's not illegal to lie or to beg. The downside would be her suing you, possibly with help from some homeless/civil rights advocate. --["users/jimstewart"]<br> - * Larceny by trick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larceny_by_trick --["users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> - * Just so you know, you can only make a citizen's arrest in California in the case of a felony, and even then, you are opening yourself up to massive liabilities which is why its occurrence is so rare. Larceny-by-trick is not a felony in California for the petty amount of money she is asking for. Did I mention I hate this page? So far, various people have suggested arresting this girl, one person even discussed how to kidnap her by placing her in the trunk of a car to bring her to the police station. Just imagine if somebody actually followed your crap legal advice. Have fun getting imprisoned or sued! --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> - * If you review California Penal Code section 837, you will see that my advice is correct. You may place an individual under citizen's arrest if a misdemeanor is committed in your presence. You may be confused on the other subsections of the code, which entitle an individual to make a lawful citizens arrest for a felony which has not been committed in your presence. It's understandable for a non-lawyer to be confused by such language. Statutory text follows:<br> - ''A private person may arrest another: 1. For '''a public offense committed or attempted in his presence.''' 2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence. 3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.'' (C.P.C. 837).<br> - What is a public offense? Defined in California Penal Code section 16:<br> - ''Crimes and public offenses include:<br> - 1. Felonies;<br> - 2. '''Misdemeanors'''; and<br> - 3. Infractions.''<br> - The police are not arresting her because they cannot arrest on the spot for misdemeanors which occur outside their presence. (CPC 836(a)(1)). So, the solution to this is to place her under citizens arrest and "summon aid" as you are entitled to do in 839. The "aid" which arrives can be citizens or police officers, who now CAN arrest her because they are acting as those you have summoned under 839. Pretty complicated! However, as you see, I was correct in my original advice; the only way to really get her arrested is quite complicated! Now, just because you can do this doesn't mean it's a good idea. You expose yourself to liability for the arrest if she is not found guilty. Oh no! I hope this answers your questions and concerns. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> - * I stand corrected. But, regardless of technical legality, it doesn't make the action of citizen's arrest any more practical or responsible in this case. And while I'm not an attorney, I know enough to tell that this isn't good legal advice given that the risks are not worth whatever smug satisfaction one would gain in the process. And while you yourself admit that you do not necessarily advise it, I am surprised that a real attorney would so haphazardly throw citizen's arrest into casual conversation without making any sort of cautionary advice or disclaimer until being called out on it. Citizen's arrest should really only be used in exceptional circumstances, and this girl is more of a nuisance than a public threat. Especially when one takes into account her young age and that she is possibly even a minor. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> - * You were wrong, and I demonstrated that. I'm glad you can bring yourself to admit it. It sounds like it was hard for you. This is a personal quality you should try to overcome. As for the rest of your statement, where you somehow try to somehow recover yourself and cook up some accusation to level at me, it is saddening, and not worth my time to address. You are not a lawyer. Do not pretend to be one. Never give legal advice as you tried to do here. It's against the law. My final words with you on this matter: Be graceful when you are in the wrong. It is far better to be wrong and humble than wrong and rude. Accordingly, be sparing and reluctant in your accusations and criticisms over the internet. You never know what you might learn with a few civil words, and you never know who in your community you might be addressing with a few uncivil words. Be well. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> - * ''Fraud?''<br> - * ''Fraud's a bit lofty. How about ["Davis Municipal Code/26.01.010"]?'' More seriously though, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging#Aggressive_panhandling "aggressive panhandling"] is illegal in Sacramento. I don't know whether it is in Yolo County or in Davis. Near the ATM and emotional sales pitches are on the list of nono's for cities that try to curb aggressive panhandlers.<br> - * There is actually penal code right on point. pc §532(d)(a). Note that the primary meaning of eleemosynary relates to alms, or giving money to the poor. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-08 13:55:29JabberWokkyReadded photo. Yes, it is fluff to make the page attractive. Pretty is good too. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 26: </td> <td> Line 26: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + [[Image(William.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300, "In the late 1840s, the term "confidence man" was coined to describe [wiki:wikipedia:"William Thompson (confidence man)" William Thompson]")]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-08 13:53:24JabberWokkyReadded category(probably not the only one,this allows for other local examples) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 9: </td> <td> Line 9: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ==Crying Girl with a Train Schedule==</span> </td> <td> <span>+ =Stranded Neighbor=<br> + <br> + While people can easily be genuinely stranded (not everybody carries their credit card everywhere, and being broke doesn't mean you can't ask for help), the key thing that makes this a con is that the person does not actually intend to use the money they ask for to buy gas, a train ticket, or other way to get out of their predicament. Instead of simply asking for money, their falsehood in their circumstances and the intended use for your charity (and the implication that you can help them with one act and they will be okay) makes this a con. Charity is great and important, but charities that ask for money for a purpose and then use it for other reasons is bad, be it a large charity or a single person.<br> + <br> + ==Local Example: Crying Girl with a Train Schedule==</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-08 13:51:50EdwardNiemandRevert to version 167 (Discuss the matter in the talk page before censoring comments.). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 84: </td> <td> Line 84: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + ''2010-03-22 17:17:46'' [[nbsp]]The only way to get [the crying girl arrested], I think, is to get scammed by her and then immediately place her under citizen's arrest and call the cops. The police are doing nothing. I can see that ending badly in many, many different ways, though. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> + * What, exactly would you arrest her for? It's not illegal to lie or to beg. The downside would be her suing you, possibly with help from some homeless/civil rights advocate. --["users/jimstewart"]<br> + * Larceny by trick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larceny_by_trick --["users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> + * Just so you know, you can only make a citizen's arrest in California in the case of a felony, and even then, you are opening yourself up to massive liabilities which is why its occurrence is so rare. Larceny-by-trick is not a felony in California for the petty amount of money she is asking for. Did I mention I hate this page? So far, various people have suggested arresting this girl, one person even discussed how to kidnap her by placing her in the trunk of a car to bring her to the police station. Just imagine if somebody actually followed your crap legal advice. Have fun getting imprisoned or sued! --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> + * If you review California Penal Code section 837, you will see that my advice is correct. You may place an individual under citizen's arrest if a misdemeanor is committed in your presence. You may be confused on the other subsections of the code, which entitle an individual to make a lawful citizens arrest for a felony which has not been committed in your presence. It's understandable for a non-lawyer to be confused by such language. Statutory text follows:<br> + ''A private person may arrest another: 1. For '''a public offense committed or attempted in his presence.''' 2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence. 3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.'' (C.P.C. 837).<br> + What is a public offense? Defined in California Penal Code section 16:<br> + ''Crimes and public offenses include:<br> + 1. Felonies;<br> + 2. '''Misdemeanors'''; and<br> + 3. Infractions.''<br> + The police are not arresting her because they cannot arrest on the spot for misdemeanors which occur outside their presence. (CPC 836(a)(1)). So, the solution to this is to place her under citizens arrest and "summon aid" as you are entitled to do in 839. The "aid" which arrives can be citizens or police officers, who now CAN arrest her because they are acting as those you have summoned under 839. Pretty complicated! However, as you see, I was correct in my original advice; the only way to really get her arrested is quite complicated! Now, just because you can do this doesn't mean it's a good idea. You expose yourself to liability for the arrest if she is not found guilty. Oh no! I hope this answers your questions and concerns. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> + * I stand corrected. But, regardless of technical legality, it doesn't make the action of citizen's arrest any more practical or responsible in this case. And while I'm not an attorney, I know enough to tell that this isn't good legal advice given that the risks are not worth whatever smug satisfaction one would gain in the process. And while you yourself admit that you do not necessarily advise it, I am surprised that a real attorney would so haphazardly throw citizen's arrest into casual conversation without making any sort of cautionary advice or disclaimer until being called out on it. Citizen's arrest should really only be used in exceptional circumstances, and this girl is more of a nuisance than a public threat. Especially when one takes into account her young age and that she is possibly even a minor. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> + * You were wrong, and I demonstrated that. I'm glad you can bring yourself to admit it. It sounds like it was hard for you. This is a personal quality you should try to overcome. As for the rest of your statement, where you somehow try to somehow recover yourself and cook up some accusation to level at me, it is saddening, and not worth my time to address. You are not a lawyer. Do not pretend to be one. Never give legal advice as you tried to do here. It's against the law. My final words with you on this matter: Be graceful when you are in the wrong. It is far better to be wrong and humble than wrong and rude. Accordingly, be sparing and reluctant in your accusations and criticisms over the internet. You never know what you might learn with a few civil words, and you never know who in your community you might be addressing with a few uncivil words. Be well. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> + * ''Fraud?''<br> + * ''Fraud's a bit lofty. How about ["Davis Municipal Code/26.01.010"]?'' More seriously though, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging#Aggressive_panhandling "aggressive panhandling"] is illegal in Sacramento. I don't know whether it is in Yolo County or in Davis. Near the ATM and emotional sales pitches are on the list of nono's for cities that try to curb aggressive panhandlers.<br> + * There is actually penal code right on point. pc §532(d)(a). Note that the primary meaning of eleemosynary relates to alms, or giving money to the poor. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-08 13:49:03CovertProfessortake it outside, boys <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 84: </td> <td> Line 84: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - ''2010-03-22 17:17:46'' [[nbsp]]The only way to get [the crying girl arrested], I think, is to get scammed by her and then immediately place her under citizen's arrest and call the cops. The police are doing nothing. I can see that ending badly in many, many different ways, though. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> - * What, exactly would you arrest her for? It's not illegal to lie or to beg. The downside would be her suing you, possibly with help from some homeless/civil rights advocate. --["users/jimstewart"]<br> - * Larceny by trick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larceny_by_trick --["users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> - * Just so you know, you can only make a citizen's arrest in California in the case of a felony, and even then, you are opening yourself up to massive liabilities which is why its occurrence is so rare. Larceny-by-trick is not a felony in California for the petty amount of money she is asking for. Did I mention I hate this page? So far, various people have suggested arresting this girl, one person even discussed how to kidnap her by placing her in the trunk of a car to bring her to the police station. Just imagine if somebody actually followed your crap legal advice. Have fun getting imprisoned or sued! --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> - * If you review California Penal Code section 837, you will see that my advice is correct. You may place an individual under citizen's arrest if a misdemeanor is committed in your presence. You may be confused on the other subsections of the code, which entitle an individual to make a lawful citizens arrest for a felony which has not been committed in your presence. It's understandable for a non-lawyer to be confused by such language. Statutory text follows:<br> - ''A private person may arrest another: 1. For '''a public offense committed or attempted in his presence.''' 2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence. 3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.'' (C.P.C. 837).<br> - What is a public offense? Defined in California Penal Code section 16:<br> - ''Crimes and public offenses include:<br> - 1. Felonies;<br> - 2. '''Misdemeanors'''; and<br> - 3. Infractions.''<br> - The police are not arresting her because they cannot arrest on the spot for misdemeanors which occur outside their presence. (CPC 836(a)(1)). So, the solution to this is to place her under citizens arrest and "summon aid" as you are entitled to do in 839. The "aid" which arrives can be citizens or police officers, who now CAN arrest her because they are acting as those you have summoned under 839. Pretty complicated! However, as you see, I was correct in my original advice; the only way to really get her arrested is quite complicated! Now, just because you can do this doesn't mean it's a good idea. You expose yourself to liability for the arrest if she is not found guilty. Oh no! I hope this answers your questions and concerns. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> - * I stand corrected. But, regardless of technical legality, it doesn't make the action of citizen's arrest any more practical or responsible in this case. And while I'm not an attorney, I know enough to tell that this isn't good legal advice given that the risks are not worth whatever smug satisfaction one would gain in the process. And while you yourself admit that you do not necessarily advise it, I am surprised that a real attorney would so haphazardly throw citizen's arrest into casual conversation without making any sort of cautionary advice or disclaimer until being called out on it. Citizen's arrest should really only be used in exceptional circumstances, and this girl is more of a nuisance than a public threat. Especially when one takes into account her young age and that she is possibly even a minor. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> - * You were wrong, and I demonstrated that. I'm glad you can bring yourself to admit it. It sounds like it was hard for you. This is a personal quality you should try to overcome. As for the rest of your statement, where you somehow try to somehow recover yourself and cook up some accusation to level at me, it is saddening, and not worth my time to address. You are not a lawyer. Do not pretend to be one. Never give legal advice as you tried to do here. It's against the law. My final words with you on this matter: Be graceful when you are in the wrong. It is far better to be wrong and humble than wrong and rude. Accordingly, be sparing and reluctant in your accusations and criticisms over the internet. You never know what you might learn with a few civil words, and you never know who in your community you might be addressing with a few uncivil words. Be well. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> - * ''Fraud?''<br> - * ''Fraud's a bit lofty. How about ["Davis Municipal Code/26.01.010"]?'' More seriously though, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging#Aggressive_panhandling "aggressive panhandling"] is illegal in Sacramento. I don't know whether it is in Yolo County or in Davis. Near the ATM and emotional sales pitches are on the list of nono's for cities that try to curb aggressive panhandlers.<br> - * There is actually penal code right on point. pc §532(d)(a). Note that the primary meaning of eleemosynary relates to alms, or giving money to the poor. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-08 13:43:47EdwardNiemand(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 98: </td> <td> Line 98: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * You were wrong, and I demonstrated that. I'm glad you can bring yourself to admit it. It sounds like it was hard for you. This is a personal quality you should try to overcome. As for the rest of your statement, where you somehow try to somehow recover yourself and cook up some accusation to level at me, it is saddening, and not worth my time to address. You are not a lawyer. Do not pretend to be one. Never give legal advice as you tried to do here. It's against the law. My final words with you on this matter: Be graceful when you are in the wrong. It is far better to be wrong and humble than wrong and rude. Accordingly, be sparing and reluctant in your accusations and criticisms over the internet. You never know what you might learn with a few civil words, and you never know who in your community you might be addressing with a few uncivil words. Be well. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 18:54:27ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 97: </td> <td> Line 97: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * I stand corrected. But, regardless of technical legality, it doesn't make the action of citizen's arrest any more practical or responsible in this case. And while I'm not an attorney, I know enough to tell that this isn't good legal advice given that the risks are not worth whatever smug satisfaction one would gain in the process. And while you yourself admit that you do not necessarily advise it, I am surprised that a real attorney would so haphazardly throw citizen's arrest into casual conversation without making any sort of cautionary advice or disclaimer until being called out on it. Citizen's arrest should really only be used in exceptional circumstances, and this girl is more of a nuisance than a public threat. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * I stand corrected. But, regardless of technical legality, it doesn't make the action of citizen's arrest any more practical or responsible in this case. And while I'm not an attorney, I know enough to tell that this isn't good legal advice given that the risks are not worth whatever smug satisfaction one would gain in the process. And while you yourself admit that you do not necessarily advise it, I am surprised that a real attorney would so haphazardly throw citizen's arrest into casual conversation without making any sort of cautionary advice or disclaimer until being called out on it. Citizen's arrest should really only be used in exceptional circumstances, and this girl is more of a nuisance than a public threat<span>. Especially when one takes into account her young age and that she is possibly even a minor</span>. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 18:47:08ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 97: </td> <td> Line 97: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * I stand corrected. But, regardless of technical legality, it doesn't make the action of citizen's arrest any more practical or responsible in this case. And while I'm not an attorney, I know enough to tell that this isn't good legal advice given that the risks are not worth whatever smug satisfaction one would gain in the process. And while you yourself admit that you do not advise it, I am surprised that a real attorney would so haphazardly throw citizen's arrest into casual conversation without making any sort of cautionary advice or disclaimer. Citizen's arrest should really only be used in exceptional circumstances, and this girl is more of a nuisance than a public threat. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * I stand corrected. But, regardless of technical legality, it doesn't make the action of citizen's arrest any more practical or responsible in this case. And while I'm not an attorney, I know enough to tell that this isn't good legal advice given that the risks are not worth whatever smug satisfaction one would gain in the process. And while you yourself admit that you do not <span>necessarily </span>advise it, I am surprised that a real attorney would so haphazardly throw citizen's arrest into casual conversation without making any sort of cautionary advice or disclaimer<span>&nbsp;until being called out on it</span>. Citizen's arrest should really only be used in exceptional circumstances, and this girl is more of a nuisance than a public threat. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 18:45:30ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 97: </td> <td> Line 97: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * I stand corrected. But, regardless of technical legality, it doesn't make the action of citizen's arrest any more practical or responsible in this case. And while I'm not an attorney, I know enough to tell that this isn't good legal advice given that the risks are not worth whatever smug satisfaction one would gain in the process. Citizen's arrest should really only be used in exceptional circumstances, and this girl is more of a nuisance than a public threat. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"] </td> <td> <span>+ </span> * I stand corrected. But, regardless of technical legality, it doesn't make the action of citizen's arrest any more practical or responsible in this case. And while I'm not an attorney, I know enough to tell that this isn't good legal advice given that the risks are not worth whatever smug satisfaction one would gain in the process<span>. And while you yourself admit that you do not advise it, I am surprised that a real attorney would so haphazardly throw citizen's arrest into casual conversation without making any sort of cautionary advice or disclaimer</span>. Citizen's arrest should really only be used in exceptional circumstances, and this girl is more of a nuisance than a public threat. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 18:41:28ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 97: </td> <td> Line 97: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I stand corrected. But, regardless of technical legality, it doesn't make the action of citizen's arrest any more practical or responsible in this case. And while I'm not an attorney, I know enough to tell that this isn't good legal advice given that the risks are not worth whatever smug satisfaction one would gain in the process. Citizen's arrest should really only be used in exceptional circumstances, and this girl is more of a nuisance than a public threat. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 16:24:56EdwardNiemand <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 36: </td> <td> Line 36: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2010-03-22 17:17:46'' [[nbsp]] If one of you guys could post a better description, I would appreciate it. I only saw her once or twice in the dark. <span>The only way to get this girl, I think, is to get scammed by her and then immediately place her under citizen's arrest and call the cops. The police are doing nothing. I can see that ending badly in many, many different ways, though. </span>--["Users/EdwardNiemand"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2010-03-22 17:17:46'' [[nbsp]] If one of you guys could post a better description, I would appreciate it. I only saw her once or twice in the dark. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 38: </td> <td> Line 38: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * What, exactly would you arrest her for? It's not illegal to lie or to beg. The downside would be her suing you, possibly with help from some homeless/civil rights advocate. --["users/jimstewart"]<br> - * Larceny by trick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larceny_by_trick --["users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> - * Just so you know, you can only make a citizen's arrest in California in the case of a felony, and even then, you are opening yourself up to massive liabilities which is why its occurrence is so rare. Larceny-by-trick is not a felony in California for the petty amount of money she is asking for. Did I mention I hate this page? So far, various people have suggested arresting this girl, one person even discussed how to kidnap her by placing her in the trunk of a car to bring her to the police station. Just imagine if somebody actually followed your crap legal advice. Have fun getting imprisoned or sued! --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> - * If you review California Penal Code section 837, you will see that my advice is correct. You may place an individual under citizen's arrest if a misdemeanor is committed in your presence. You may be confused on the other subsections of the code, which entitle an individual to make a lawful citizens arrest for a felony which has not been committed in your presence. It's understandable for a non-lawyer to be confused by such language. Statutory text follows:<br> - ''A private person may arrest another: 1. For '''a public offense committed or attempted in his presence.''' 2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence. 3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.'' (C.P.C. 837).<br> - What is a public offense? Defined in California Penal Code section 16:<br> - ''Crimes and public offenses include:<br> - 1. Felonies;<br> - 2. '''Misdemeanors'''; and<br> - 3. Infractions.''<br> - The police are not arresting her because they cannot arrest on the spot for misdemeanors which occur outside their presence. (CPC 836(a)(1)). So, the solution to this is to place her under citizens arrest and "summon aid" as you are entitled to do in 839. The "aid" which arrives can be citizens or police officers, who now CAN arrest her because they are acting as those you have summoned under 839. Pretty complicated! However, as you see, I was correct in my original advice; the only way to really get her arrested is quite complicated! Now, just because you can do this doesn't mean it's a good idea. You expose yourself to liability for the arrest if she is not found guilty. Oh no! I hope this answers your questions and concerns. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> - * ''Fraud?''<br> - * ''Fraud's a bit lofty. How about ["Davis Municipal Code/26.01.010"]?'' More seriously though, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging#Aggressive_panhandling "aggressive panhandling"] is illegal in Sacramento. I don't know whether it is in Yolo County or in Davis. Near the ATM and emotional sales pitches are on the list of nono's for cities that try to curb aggressive panhandlers.<br> - * There is actually penal code right on point. pc §532(d)(a). Note that the primary meaning of eleemosynary relates to alms, or giving money to the poor. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 98: </td> <td> Line 84: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + ''2010-03-22 17:17:46'' [[nbsp]]The only way to get [the crying girl arrested], I think, is to get scammed by her and then immediately place her under citizen's arrest and call the cops. The police are doing nothing. I can see that ending badly in many, many different ways, though. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> + * What, exactly would you arrest her for? It's not illegal to lie or to beg. The downside would be her suing you, possibly with help from some homeless/civil rights advocate. --["users/jimstewart"]<br> + * Larceny by trick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larceny_by_trick --["users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> + * Just so you know, you can only make a citizen's arrest in California in the case of a felony, and even then, you are opening yourself up to massive liabilities which is why its occurrence is so rare. Larceny-by-trick is not a felony in California for the petty amount of money she is asking for. Did I mention I hate this page? So far, various people have suggested arresting this girl, one person even discussed how to kidnap her by placing her in the trunk of a car to bring her to the police station. Just imagine if somebody actually followed your crap legal advice. Have fun getting imprisoned or sued! --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> + * If you review California Penal Code section 837, you will see that my advice is correct. You may place an individual under citizen's arrest if a misdemeanor is committed in your presence. You may be confused on the other subsections of the code, which entitle an individual to make a lawful citizens arrest for a felony which has not been committed in your presence. It's understandable for a non-lawyer to be confused by such language. Statutory text follows:<br> + ''A private person may arrest another: 1. For '''a public offense committed or attempted in his presence.''' 2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence. 3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.'' (C.P.C. 837).<br> + What is a public offense? Defined in California Penal Code section 16:<br> + ''Crimes and public offenses include:<br> + 1. Felonies;<br> + 2. '''Misdemeanors'''; and<br> + 3. Infractions.''<br> + The police are not arresting her because they cannot arrest on the spot for misdemeanors which occur outside their presence. (CPC 836(a)(1)). So, the solution to this is to place her under citizens arrest and "summon aid" as you are entitled to do in 839. The "aid" which arrives can be citizens or police officers, who now CAN arrest her because they are acting as those you have summoned under 839. Pretty complicated! However, as you see, I was correct in my original advice; the only way to really get her arrested is quite complicated! Now, just because you can do this doesn't mean it's a good idea. You expose yourself to liability for the arrest if she is not found guilty. Oh no! I hope this answers your questions and concerns. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> + * ''Fraud?''<br> + * ''Fraud's a bit lofty. How about ["Davis Municipal Code/26.01.010"]?'' More seriously though, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging#Aggressive_panhandling "aggressive panhandling"] is illegal in Sacramento. I don't know whether it is in Yolo County or in Davis. Near the ATM and emotional sales pitches are on the list of nono's for cities that try to curb aggressive panhandlers.<br> + * There is actually penal code right on point. pc §532(d)(a). Note that the primary meaning of eleemosynary relates to alms, or giving money to the poor. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 16:11:44EdwardNiemand(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 48: </td> <td> Line 48: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The police are not arresting her because they cannot arrest on the spot for misdemeanors which occur outside their presence. (CPC 836(a)(1)). So, the solution to this is to place her under citizens arrest and "summon aid" as you are entitled to do in 839. The "aid" which arrives can be citizens or police officers, who now CAN arrest her because they are acting as those you have summoned under 839. Pretty complicated! However, as you see, I was correct in my original advice; the only way to really get her arrested is quite complicated! Now, just because you can do this doesn't mean it's a good idea. You expose yourself to <span>civil (not criminal) </span>liability for the arrest if she is not found guilty. Oh no! I hope this answers your questions and concerns. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> The police are not arresting her because they cannot arrest on the spot for misdemeanors which occur outside their presence. (CPC 836(a)(1)). So, the solution to this is to place her under citizens arrest and "summon aid" as you are entitled to do in 839. The "aid" which arrives can be citizens or police officers, who now CAN arrest her because they are acting as those you have summoned under 839. Pretty complicated! However, as you see, I was correct in my original advice; the only way to really get her arrested is quite complicated! Now, just because you can do this doesn't mean it's a good idea. You expose yourself to liability for the arrest if she is not found guilty. Oh no! I hope this answers your questions and concerns. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 16:10:29EdwardNiemand(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 43: </td> <td> Line 43: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> What is a public offense? Defined in California Penal Code section 16: </td> <td> <span>+</span> What is a public offense? Defined in California Penal Code section 16: </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 16:10:17EdwardNiemand(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 47: </td> <td> Line 47: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> 3. Infractions.<span>&lt;/i&gt;</span>'' </td> <td> <span>+</span> 3. Infractions.'' </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 16:10:06EdwardNiemand(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 47: </td> <td> Line 47: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> 3. Infractions.&lt;/i&gt; </td> <td> <span>+</span> 3. Infractions.&lt;/i&gt;<span>''</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 16:09:44EdwardNiemand(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 44: </td> <td> Line 44: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> <span>&lt;I&gt;</span>Crimes and public offenses include: </td> <td> <span>+</span> <span>''</span>Crimes and public offenses include: </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 16:09:36EdwardNiemand(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 42: </td> <td> Line 42: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- [i]</span>A private person may arrest another: 1. For '''a public offense committed or attempted in his presence.''' 2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence. 3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.<span>[/i]</span> (C.P.C. 837). </td> <td> <span>+ ''</span>A private person may arrest another: 1. For '''a public offense committed or attempted in his presence.''' 2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence. 3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.<span>''</span> (C.P.C. 837). </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 16:09:16EdwardNiemand(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 46: </td> <td> Line 46: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> 2. <span>&lt;B&gt;</span>Misdemeanors<span>&lt;/B&gt;</span>; and </td> <td> <span>+</span> 2. <span>'''</span>Misdemeanors<span>'''</span>; and </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 16:09:02EdwardNiemand(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 42: </td> <td> Line 42: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> [i]A private person may arrest another: 1. For <span>&lt;B&gt;</span>a public offense<span>&lt;/B&gt; committed or attempted in his presence.&lt;/B&gt;</span> 2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence. 3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.[/i] (C.P.C. 837). </td> <td> <span>+</span> [i]A private person may arrest another: 1. For <span>'''</span>a public offense<span>&nbsp;committed or attempted in his presence.'''</span> 2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence. 3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.[/i] (C.P.C. 837). </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 16:06:35EdwardNiemand(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 48: </td> <td> Line 48: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The police are not arresting her because they cannot arrest on the spot for misdemeanors which occur outside their presence. (CPC 836(a)(1)). So, the solution to this is to place her under citizens arrest and "summon aid" as you are entitled to do in 839. The "aid" which arrives can be citizens or police officers, who now CAN arrest her because they are acting as those you have summoned under 839. Pretty complicated! Now, just because you can do this doesn't mean it's a good idea. You expose yourself to civil (not criminal) liability for the arrest if she is not found guilty. Oh no! I hope this answers your questions and concerns. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> The police are not arresting her because they cannot arrest on the spot for misdemeanors which occur outside their presence. (CPC 836(a)(1)). So, the solution to this is to place her under citizens arrest and "summon aid" as you are entitled to do in 839. The "aid" which arrives can be citizens or police officers, who now CAN arrest her because they are acting as those you have summoned under 839. Pretty complicated! <span>However, as you see, I was correct in my original advice; the only way to really get her arrested is quite complicated! </span>Now, just because you can do this doesn't mean it's a good idea. You expose yourself to civil (not criminal) liability for the arrest if she is not found guilty. Oh no! I hope this answers your questions and concerns. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 16:00:13EdwardNiemand(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 41: </td> <td> Line 41: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * If you review California Penal Code section 837, you will see that my advice is correct. You may place an individual under citizen's arrest if a misdemeanor is committed in your presence. You may be confused on the other subsections of the code, which entitle an individual to make a lawful citizens arrest for a felony which has not been committed in your presence. Statutory text follows: </td> <td> <span>+</span> * If you review California Penal Code section 837, you will see that my advice is correct. You may place an individual under citizen's arrest if a misdemeanor is committed in your presence. You may be confused on the other subsections of the code, which entitle an individual to make a lawful citizens arrest for a felony which has not been committed in your presence. <span>It's understandable for a non-lawyer to be confused by such language. </span>Statutory text follows: </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 15:59:33EdwardNiemand(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 48: </td> <td> Line 48: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> The police are not arresting her because they cannot arrest on the spot for misdemeanors which occur outside their presence. (CPC 836(a)(1)). So, the solution to this is to place her under citizens arrest and "summon aid" as you are entitled to do in 839. The "aid" which arrives can be citizens or police officers, who now CAN arrest her because they are acting as those you have summoned under 839. Pretty complicated! Now, just because you can do this doesn't mean it's a good idea. You expose yourself to civil (not criminal) liability for the arrest if she is not found guilty. Oh no! I hope this answers your questions and concerns. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> The police are not arresting her because they cannot arrest on the spot for misdemeanors which occur outside their presence. (CPC 836(a)(1)). So, the solution to this is to place her under citizens arrest and "summon aid" as you are entitled to do in 839. The "aid" which arrives can be citizens or police officers, who now CAN arrest her because they are acting as those you have summoned under 839. Pretty complicated! Now, just because you can do this doesn't mean it's a good idea. You expose yourself to civil (not criminal) liability for the arrest if she is not found guilty. Oh no! I hope this answers your questions and concerns. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 15:59:22EdwardNiemand(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 42: </td> <td> Line 42: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- &lt;I&gt;</span>A private person may arrest another: 1. For &lt;B&gt;a public offense&lt;/B&gt; committed or attempted in his presence.&lt;/B&gt; 2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence. 3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.<span>&lt;</span>/<span>I&gt;</span> (C.P.C. 837). </td> <td> <span>+ [i]</span>A private person may arrest another: 1. For &lt;B&gt;a public offense&lt;/B&gt; committed or attempted in his presence.&lt;/B&gt; 2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence. 3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.<span>[</span>/<span>i]</span> (C.P.C. 837). </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 15:58:52EdwardNiemand(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 41: </td> <td> Line 41: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * If you review California Penal Code section 837, you will see that my advice is correct. You may place an individual under citizen's arrest if a misdemeanor is committed in your presence. You may be confused on the other subsections of the code, which entitle an individual to make a lawful citizens arrest for a felony which has not been committed in your presence. Statutory text follows:<br> + &lt;I&gt;A private person may arrest another: 1. For &lt;B&gt;a public offense&lt;/B&gt; committed or attempted in his presence.&lt;/B&gt; 2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence. 3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.&lt;/I&gt; (C.P.C. 837).<br> + What is a public offense? Defined in California Penal Code section 16:<br> + &lt;I&gt;Crimes and public offenses include:<br> + 1. Felonies;<br> + 2. &lt;B&gt;Misdemeanors&lt;/B&gt;; and<br> + 3. Infractions.&lt;/i&gt;<br> + The police are not arresting her because they cannot arrest on the spot for misdemeanors which occur outside their presence. (CPC 836(a)(1)). So, the solution to this is to place her under citizens arrest and "summon aid" as you are entitled to do in 839. The "aid" which arrives can be citizens or police officers, who now CAN arrest her because they are acting as those you have summoned under 839. Pretty complicated! Now, just because you can do this doesn't mean it's a good idea. You expose yourself to civil (not criminal) liability for the arrest if she is not found guilty. Oh no! I hope this answers your questions and concerns. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 15:03:57ScottMeehleibthis page still annoys me every time i see it pop up <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 40: </td> <td> Line 40: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Just so you know, you can only make a citizen's arrest in California in the case of a felony, and even then, you are opening yourself up to massive liabilities which is why its occurrence is so rare. Larceny-by-trick is not a felony in California for the petty amount of money she is asking for. Did I mention I hate this page? So far, various people have suggested arresting this girl, one person even discussed how to kidnap her by placing her in the trunk of a car to bring her to the police station. Just imagine if somebody actually followed your crap legal advice. Have fun getting imprisoned or sued! --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 13:42:47EdwardNiemand <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 5: </td> <td> Line 5: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Some people use fictional stories to take advantage of helpful people. Here are some local '''Con Artists''', sorted by general types of confidence tricks. Be careful before adding people into this list, as there are genuine people in need.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;If you have other to watch out for or methods to help people who are actually in need but might be con artists, please add them.</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> Some people use fictional stories to take advantage of helpful people. Here are some local '''Con Artists''', sorted by general types of confidence tricks. Be careful before adding people into this list, as there are genuine people in need. </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 9: </td> <td> Line 9: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> -</span> ==<span>Local Example: </span>Crying Girl with a Train Schedule== </td> <td> <span>+</span> ==Crying Girl with a Train Schedule== </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 23: </td> <td> Line 22: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 53: </td> <td> Line 50: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + =Interested Room-Seeker Con=<br> + <br> + This usually happens when someone leaves a posting online for a room that is available for rent. The con artist usually poses as a foreign student and contacts the poster about being interested in the room and then sends a check that is a certain amount over the requested amount for deposit, first month's rent, or any other possible costs involved in adding oneself to a lease. Then the con artist contacts the poster and asks for the extra money to be wired back (before the check bounces) in order to purchase plane tickets. Once the poster wires the money, the poster is out at least a thousand dollars or so. So those with an available room for rent, make sure the check clears before wiring money to anyone.<br> + * This goes on with selling used cars and the like, as well. It's also common for these people to call the number for a posting using a hearing assisted phone service, where there's an intermediary supposedly translating everything. No idea why... but my brother got two different calls like this when he was selling his car on the Bay Area Craigslist, both of them offering to send a check for a couple grand over asking price, letting him refund the difference. I have no idea why anyone would agree to this, but regardless, something to watch out for. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> + * It's a very common scam on Craigslist. If you sell something expensive on there, you will likely get a lot of scam e-mails sent to you. Some may even be automated. --["Users/IDoNotExist"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 64: </td> <td> Line 68: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- =Interested Room-Seeker Con=<br> - <br> - This usually happens when someone leaves a posting online for a room that is available for rent. The con artist usually poses as a foreign student and contacts the poster about being interested in the room and then sends a check that is a certain amount over the requested amount for deposit, first month's rent, or any other possible costs involved in adding oneself to a lease. Then the con artist contacts the poster and asks for the extra money to be wired back (before the check bounces) in order to purchase plane tickets. Once the poster wires the money, the poster is out at least a thousand dollars or so. So those with an available room for rent, make sure the check clears before wiring money to anyone.<br> - * This goes on with selling used cars and the like, as well. It's also common for these people to call the number for a posting using a hearing assisted phone service, where there's an intermediary supposedly translating everything. No idea why... but my brother got two different calls like this when he was selling his car on the Bay Area Craigslist, both of them offering to send a check for a couple grand over asking price, letting him refund the difference. I have no idea why anyone would agree to this, but regardless, something to watch out for. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - * It's a very common scam on Craigslist. If you sell something expensive on there, you will likely get a lot of scam e-mails sent to you. Some may even be automated. --["Users/IDoNotExist"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 13:08:31WilliamLewis <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 89: </td> <td> Line 89: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * ''Check out ["/Talk"] for discussions about this <span>''</span>page<span>''</span> rather than <span>''</span>the topic'' </td> <td> <span>+</span> * ''Check out ["/Talk"] for discussions about this page rather than the topic'' </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 13:07:09WilliamLewis <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 89: </td> <td> Line 89: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * ''Check out ["/Talk"] for discussions about this ''page'' rather than ''the topic''<span>'</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> * ''Check out ["/Talk"] for discussions about this ''page'' rather than ''the topic'' </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-07 13:00:57EdwardNiemandTrimming page so that content conforms to its subject: DAVIS AREA CONS. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 9: </td> <td> Line 9: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - <br> - =Stranded Neighbor=<br> - <br> - While people can easily be genuinely stranded (not everybody carries their credit card everywhere, and being broke doesn't mean you can't ask for help), the key thing that makes this a con is that the person does not actually intend to use the money they ask for to buy gas, a train ticket, or other way to get out of their predicament. Instead of simply asking for money, their falsehood in their circumstances and the intended use for your charity (and the implication that you can help them with one act and they will be okay) makes this a con. Charity is great and important, but charities that ask for money for a purpose and then use it for other reasons is bad, be it a large charity or a single person.</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 43: </td> <td> Line 38: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + ''2010-03-22 17:17:46'' [[nbsp]] If one of you guys could post a better description, I would appreciate it. I only saw her once or twice in the dark. The only way to get this girl, I think, is to get scammed by her and then immediately place her under citizen's arrest and call the cops. The police are doing nothing. I can see that ending badly in many, many different ways, though. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> + * The description "dark haired girl, dyed hair reddish blond, heavy, tear-smeared make-up, aged approximately 16 to 20" above was very accurate, I recognized her immediately. Also add "smoky eye makeup" and somewhat skimpy (not too skimpy) clothing.<br> + * What, exactly would you arrest her for? It's not illegal to lie or to beg. The downside would be her suing you, possibly with help from some homeless/civil rights advocate. --["users/jimstewart"]<br> + * Larceny by trick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larceny_by_trick --["users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> + * ''Fraud?''<br> + * ''Fraud's a bit lofty. How about ["Davis Municipal Code/26.01.010"]?'' More seriously though, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging#Aggressive_panhandling "aggressive panhandling"] is illegal in Sacramento. I don't know whether it is in Yolo County or in Davis. Near the ATM and emotional sales pitches are on the list of nono's for cities that try to curb aggressive panhandlers.<br> + * There is actually penal code right on point. pc §532(d)(a). Note that the primary meaning of eleemosynary relates to alms, or giving money to the poor. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]<br> + <br> + <br> + <br> + ------</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 46: </td> <td> Line 53: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - ==Other Examples==<br> - <br> - I ran into before where a woman in SF asked if I had money for gas. I told her gas station take credit card and she said she did not have one and yeah she was well dress and did not look homeless. Con artist probably think of all the answers to questions like mine to get money. --["SimonFung"]<br> - <br> - </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 53: </td> <td> Line 54: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - [[Image(William.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300, "In the late 1840s, the term "confidence man" was coined to describe [wiki:wikipedia:"William Thompson (confidence man)" William Thompson]")]]<br> - </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 65: </td> <td> Line 63: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2010-03-22 17:17:46'' [[nbsp]] If one of you guys could post a better description, I would appreciate it. I only saw her once or twice in the dark. The only way to get this girl, I think, is to get scammed by her and then immediately place her under citizen's arrest and call the cops. The police are doing nothing. I can see that ending badly in many, many different ways, though. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> - * The description "dark haired girl, dyed hair reddish blond, heavy, tear-smeared make-up, aged approximately 16 to 20" above was very accurate, I recognized her immediately. Also add "smoky eye makeup" and somewhat skimpy (not too skimpy) clothing.<br> - * What, exactly would you arrest her for? It's not illegal to lie or to beg. The downside would be her suing you, possibly with help from some homeless/civil rights advocate. --["users/jimstewart"]<br> - * Larceny by trick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larceny_by_trick --["users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> - * ''Fraud?''<br> - * ''Fraud's a bit lofty. How about ["Davis Municipal Code/26.01.010"]?'' More seriously though, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging#Aggressive_panhandling "aggressive panhandling"] is illegal in Sacramento. I don't know whether it is in Yolo County or in Davis. Near the ATM and emotional sales pitches are on the list of nono's for cities that try to curb aggressive panhandlers.<br> - * There is actually penal code right on point. pc §532(d)(a). Note that the primary meaning of eleemosynary relates to alms, or giving money to the poor. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]<br> - </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-04-03 09:28:33EdwardNiemand(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 68: </td> <td> Line 68: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Larceny by trick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larceny_by_trick --["users/EdwardNiemand"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-24 11:18:31EBT(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 61: </td> <td> Line 61: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * Absolutely a great idea, when you are able to follow through on the offer. -["users/edwins" ES<span>"</span>] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * Absolutely a great idea, when you are able to follow through on the offer. -["users/edwins" ES] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-24 10:59:48LeeY <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 63: </td> <td> Line 63: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * I gave out shampoos and snacks I got for [<span>http://daviswiki.org/</span>Bounty<span>_</span>and<span>_</span>Savings free at the stores] (easy, they're stationed right outside!) and they appreciated it - LY </td> <td> <span>+</span> * I gave out shampoos and snacks I got for [<span>"</span>Bounty<span>&nbsp;</span>and<span>&nbsp;</span>Savings<span>"</span> free at the stores] (easy, they're stationed right outside!) and they appreciated it - LY </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-24 10:57:41LeeY <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 63: </td> <td> Line 63: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ * I gave out shampoos and snacks I got for [http://daviswiki.org/Bounty_and_Savings free at the stores] (easy, they're stationed right outside!) and they appreciated it - LY</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-24 03:05:19JabberWokkyThrew down enough oil for everybody to get covered. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 92: </td> <td> Line 92: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * ''See also ["<span>S</span>hadiness <span>F</span>actor"], ["bank robberies"], ["cults"] and ["crime"]'' </td> <td> <span>+</span> * ''See also ["<span>s</span>hadiness <span>f</span>actor"], ["bank robberies"], ["cults"] and ["crime"]'' </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-24 02:43:46AlexanderHoOh the irony of sniping to fix my snipe <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 92: </td> <td> Line 92: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * ''See also ["<span>s</span>had<span>y</span>"], ["bank robberies"], ["cults"] and ["crime"]'' </td> <td> <span>+</span> * ''See also ["<span>S</span>had<span>iness Factor</span>"], ["bank robberies"], ["cults"] and ["crime"]'' </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-24 02:42:52AlexanderHoLink-fixing snipe <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 92: </td> <td> Line 92: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * ''See also ["shady", ["bank robberies"], ["cults"] and ["crime"]'' </td> <td> <span>+</span> * ''See also ["shady"<span>]</span>, ["bank robberies"], ["cults"] and ["crime"]'' </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-24 02:37:35JabberWokkyThrew down enough oil for everybody to get covered. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 85: </td> <td> Line 85: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * ["ASUCD" Group that claims its actions will benefit you]<br> - * ["City Politics" Group that claims its actions will benefit you]<br> - * ["Republican Party" Group that claims its actions will benefit you]<br> - * ["Democratic Party" Group that claims its actions will benefit you]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * ["ASUCD"]<br> + * ["City Politics"]<br> + * ["Political Party" Certain or all Parties] -- Never enough beer, and nobody plays any decent music.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 93: </td> <td> Line 92: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * ''See also ["bank robberies"], ["cults"] and ["crime"]'' </td> <td> <span>+</span> * ''See also<span>&nbsp;["shady",</span> ["bank robberies"], ["cults"] and ["crime"]'' </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 19:50:09EBTNot a "strategy to help out honest people," and, well, nutrasweet comment <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - 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I’d volunteer for this community cleanup operation, but I would need a car first (and also figure out what I would do if she starts screaming “rape”). --["Users/EBT"]<br> - <br> - </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 18:48:05CovertProfessoralready linked <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 90: </td> <td> Line 90: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * ["Cults"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 18:47:32CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 90: </td> <td> Line 90: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * ["Cults"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 18:33:37hankim <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 90: </td> <td> Line 90: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * ["ASUCD"]<br> - * ["City Politics"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * ["ASUCD" Group that claims its actions will benefit you]<br> + * ["City Politics" Group that claims its actions will benefit you]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 93: </td> <td> Line 93: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * ["Democratic Party" Group that claims its actions will benefit you]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 18:29:31CovertProfessorThis list is a slippery slope <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 92: </td> <td> Line 92: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * ["Republican Party" Group that claims its actions will benefit you]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 18:05:32IDoNotExist(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 82: </td> <td> Line 82: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * It's a very common scam on Craigslist. If you sell something expensive on there, you will likely get a lot of scam e-mails sent to you. Some may even be automated. --["Users/IDoNotExist"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 17:59:46TomGarberson(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 81: </td> <td> Line 81: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * This goes on with selling used cars and the like, as well. It's also common for these people to call the number for a posting using a hearing assisted phone service, where there's an intermediary supposedly translating everything. No idea why... but my brother got two different calls like this when he was selling his car on the Bay Area Craigslist, both of them offering to send a check for a couple grand over asking price, letting him refund the difference. I have no idea why anyone would agree to this, but regardless, something to watch out for. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 16:35:07JabberWokkyAnd I'm about to finish my editing jag... <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 30: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- [[Image(William.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300, "In the late 1840s, the term "confidence man" was coined to describe [wiki:wikipedia:"William Thompson (confidence man)" William Thompson]")]]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 54: </td> <td> Line 53: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + [[Image(William.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300, "In the late 1840s, the term "confidence man" was coined to describe [wiki:wikipedia:"William Thompson (confidence man)" William Thompson]")]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 16:33:35JabberWokkyWay more awesome than a sepia pic. (Turner Classic Movies) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- [[Image(William.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300, "In the late 1840s, the term "confidence man" was coined to describe [wiki:wikipedia:"William Thompson (confidence man)" William Thompson]")]]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ [[Image(tcm.jpg, thumbnail, right, 400, "Sometimes people like Davis Wiki User ["Users/hankim" Han Kim] offer a variety of easy ways to make money.")]]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 10: </td> <td> Line 10: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- [[Image(tcm.jpg, thumbnail, 300, "Sometimes people like Davis Wiki User ["Users/hankim" Han Kim] offer a variety of easy ways to make money.")]]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 28: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + <br> + [[Image(William.jpg, thumbnail, right, 300, "In the late 1840s, the term "confidence man" was coined to describe [wiki:wikipedia:"William Thompson (confidence man)" William Thompson]")]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 16:15:52hankim <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p>No differences found!</div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 16:15:50hankim <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 7: </td> <td> Line 7: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ [[TableOfContents()]]<br> + <br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 8: </td> <td> Line 11: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - [[TableOfContents()]]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 16:14:22hankimUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&do=view&target=tcm.jpg">tcm.jpg</a>.Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 16:14:03hankim <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + [[Image(tcm.jpg, thumbnail, 300, "Sometimes people like Davis Wiki User ["Users/hankim" Han Kim] offer a variety of easy ways to make money.")]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 15:25:09EdWinsunneeded. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 55: </td> <td> Line 55: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * Absolutely a great idea, when you are able to follow through on the offer. <span>&nbsp;I'd do this more often if I were able to afford it myself, although I have given away leftovers several times and once or twice a full sandwich.</span> -["users/edwins" ES"]<br> <span>- </span> * Yeah David, that seems like a solid approach, it was the one I came up with using the power of hindsight, but alas you have the same idea... ["Daubert"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * Absolutely a great idea, when you are able to follow through on the offer. -["users/edwins" ES"]<br> <span>+</span> * Yeah David, that seems like a solid approach, it was the one I came up with using the power of hindsight, but alas you have the same idea... ["Daubert"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 15:22:36JabberWokkyArg. Meant to do this. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> [[Image(William.jpg, thumbnail, right, <span>4</span>00, "In the late 1840s, the term "confidence man" was coined to describe [wiki:wikipedia:"William Thompson (confidence man)" William Thompson]")]] </td> <td> <span>+</span> [[Image(William.jpg, thumbnail, right, <span>3</span>00, "In the late 1840s, the term "confidence man" was coined to describe [wiki:wikipedia:"William Thompson (confidence man)" William Thompson]")]] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 15:22:20JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 5: </td> <td> Line 5: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Some people use fictional stories to take advantage of helpful people. Here are some local '''Con Artists''', sorted by general types of confidence tricks. Be careful before adding people into this list, as there are genuine people in need. </td> <td> <span>+</span> Some people use fictional stories to take advantage of helpful people. Here are some local '''Con Artists''', sorted by general types of confidence tricks. Be careful before adding people into this list, as there are genuine people in need.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;If you have other to watch out for or methods to help people who are actually in need but might be con artists, please add them.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 15:20:58JabberWokkyBetcha WilliamLewis runs to check this out. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- [[TableOfContents(right)]]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ [[Image(William.jpg, thumbnail, right, 400, "In the late 1840s, the term "confidence man" was coined to describe [wiki:wikipedia:"William Thompson (confidence man)" William Thompson]")]]<br> + <br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 5: </td> <td> Line 7: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ [[TableOfContents()]]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 87: </td> <td> Line 90: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- [[include(photorequest)]]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 15:20:49JabberWokkyUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists?action=Files&do=view&target=William.jpg">William.jpg</a>.Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 15:20:21hankimI've been wanting to do this for a while. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 78: </td> <td> Line 78: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ * ["Activities and Recreation Center"]<br> + * ["ASUCD"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 15:18:51CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 91: </td> <td> Line 91: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * ''Check out ["/Talk"] for discussions about this ''page'' rather than ''the topic'''<span>'</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> * ''Check out ["/Talk"] for discussions about this ''page'' rather than ''the topic''' </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 15:12:32JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 90: </td> <td> Line 90: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - <br> - <br> - <br> - </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 96: </td> <td> Line 91: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> <span><br> -</span> <span>'</span>''Check out ["/Talk"] for discussions about this ''page'' rather than ''the topic''''<span>'</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> <span>* </span>''Check out ["/Talk"] for discussions about this ''page'' rather than ''the topic'''' </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 15:11:35JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 95: </td> <td> Line 95: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - =The ["Trolls" Wiki Con] in Action=<br> - ''2010-03-22 22:07:15'' [[nbsp]] Sounds like a pretty cool con artist. I hope she snags a lot of money; I'm sure she's had a hard life. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> - * I can't tell if you're being serious or making an outrageous joke... I generally have the same problem with Sarah Palin...--["Users/JoePomidor"]<br> - * I was sort of joking, but I was also being truthful. To be honest, she sounds likes she is suffering from a mental illness, and I honestly do pity her. There are plenty of con artists such as car dealers that are considered socially acceptable so I don't know why this girl is getting singled out. If she convinces one of you to give her money, I would say she deserves it for being such a good actress; chalk it up to an entertainment expense and stop whining. -SM<br> - * There is a difference between being an actress and being a sociopath which by the way, many "greasy car salesmen" are. They don't all kill people, most just con and do so without regard for the people they hurt. They don't "deserve" anything and certainly aren't socially acceptable.--["Users/OliviaY"]<br> - * Olivia, my point is that she may be one of those people who has been discarded and abused, and she is not necessarily an "evil" person out to get you; maybe she is just trying to survive the only way she knows how. I lived in downtown Sacramento for a few years, and I was shocked by the many people who have basically been trashed by society; one guy who i saw often in the park next to my apartment was very nice but obviously mentally disturbed, and I almost cried when he offered me cottage cheese from the trash can one time. I wish he would have been a con artist or something because obviously most people don't give a shit about him and he's just going to die anyway; why shouldn't he do whatever he can do to try to get himself out of the gutter? -SM<br> - * There is a point when you have to stop blaming society/your parents/the government etc and take responsibility for yourself. Mentally disturbed individuals don't have the ability to pan-handle using the same story again and again which makes her very different from your cottage cheese individual. His sounds like one of the few tragic and true cases that get dismissed because of people who abuse sympathies and create a general apathy toward the downtrodden. So if you really cared you would be angriest at able bodied young adults who spend their time lying, manipulating and perpetuating the concept of panhandlers as hucksters.-["Users/OliviaY"]<br> - * I myself am severely mentally ill (obsessive compulsive disorder and schizo-affective disorder) so I speak from my own personal experience. I am by no means stupid, but I have issues with learning certain things and completing tasks in proper amounts of time; Society/my parents don't deserve all the blame for my own current shit-state, but they deserve quite a bit of it. I have applied for over 50 jobs in my life and have only been hired at a donut shop and a carnival, I didn't even get past my freshman year of high school because I was tormented by people who constantly made fun of my Tourette Syndrome. I was fired from the donut shop for being too slow. If push comes to shove, I will do what it takes to avoid ending up on the street, and if I have to kill myself to avoid it, so be it. I don't think I would ever allow myself to become a con man because of my morals, but I certainly understand how and why some people turn to such a life. -SM<br> - *...turn to such a life, even at the expense of generating a society numb to the plight of the few who really need charity. Why? Because conning and scamming is easier/more enjoyable/less difficult than working and applying themselves. Nope. No pity here. Especially with the documented stories of teens who do this to score soy-chocolattos or iphones. "If you are gonna beg for money you have to be crazy, drunk or disabled...or one of those guys who paints himself like a robot." To quote King of the Hill "The Texas Pandhandler" excellent episode.-OY<br> - * The whole notion of working and applying yourself is becoming gray these days anyway. In the modern world, opportunism is the name of the game. If you look at the richest people in the country, most of them did not get rich from hard work in the old fashioned sense; they knew how and when to exploit others, and their real talents were mainly in social networking and market timing. Look at how we dump so much of our money to movie stars and athletes. Tiger Woods is worth something like a billion dollars for hitting tiny balls into holes. Is this really work? -SM<br> - * How is Tiger Woods exploiting people (ok, besides his wife and girlfriends)?<br> - * He convinced me to buy Gatorade by making me think that I would become a pro golfer. --["Users/hankim"]<br> - * Well if that's the case, Hankim, then maybe you had that one coming. :) Seriouly though, there's a lot of things in our society that, despite being somewhat frivolous, enrich our culture. These include the arts and athletics. Are muscians exploiting people too? The Beatles made lots and lots of money, but was their contribution to American music not worth thier compensation? How about Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, or Public Enemy. Should we just stop paying these guys? Are artists taking advantage of people? How about writers? Granted, TW does have a certain level of natural ability, but he developed it with hardwork. He earned enough respect in the golf community to make a living at it, and he's on of the best at what he does. Shouldn't he deserve that? Golf has a dubious history of prejudice, with non-whites occationally being barred from joining golf clubs. The guy helped break down those barriers. He also runs a foundation to raise money for youth programs and scholarships. Is that exploitation? I don't think you can compare what these guys do to conning people out of $40 with a fake story about getting stranded at the train station.<br> - *I think it's very ironic that you cite Tiger Woods as breaking barriers given that he just stirred controversy again today regarding his comeback at Augusta, a club that is known for its discriminatory policies barring women from entry. People are saying that it's a slap in the face given that this is the same man who allegedly loved to degrade women. According to other news articles, many black Americans believe that Tiger Woods is racist based on the fact that all of his known mistresses and his wife are white. I don't think that Tiger deserves a billion for golf while brilliant mathemeticians such as Grigori Perelman (who solved the famous Poincare conjecture) live in their parents' basements and generally make peanuts in comparison. As far as music goes, while I personally admire most of the artists you mentioned , a lot of people, particularly conservatives, would disagree with you that they made the world a better place. -SM<br> - * Conservatives don't enjoy music? And the guy who solved the Poincare Conjecture refused the million dollar reward for the solution. --["Users/hankim"]<br> - * I didn't say anything about conservatives disliking music. The question was about whether certain artists can be said to be exploiting people. He mentioned artists such as Pink Floyd, Led Leppelin, and the Beatles which were all considered counter-cultural icons in their prime. In fact, they were believed to be evil by some in the far religious right. Regarding Perelman, the million dollar reward thing is complicated and he actually wasn't even officially offered a stake in it until recently. And even if he gets a million, so what? That's chump change in terms of the value of his work and he's not exactly a recognizable figure to the masses either.<br> - * TW is by no means a superhero, and he has to pick his battle just like the rest of us. He didn't discover a cure for cancer or bring peace to the middle east either. I'd be willing to bet that he disagrees with Augusta's policies though. Bottom line is that guy worked for what he has, and doesn't deserve to be classified as a lazy con artist.<br> - * I don't think that sports and acting are all inherently acts of con artistry. The con aspect comes as a result of the masses who have been hypnotized into believing that these figures deserve to be paid as much as they get. There is a difference between being lazy and being almost totally unproductive. For example, competitive eating is also a sport like a golf, and I'm sure that the world champion Takeru Kobayashi spends lots of time honing his otherwise useless skill of eating ten hot dogs in a couple minutes. Just as I'm sure Tiger Woods has spent a countless amount of time hitting tiny balls. However, in a more sane society, these two activities would be recognized for what they really are: hobbies and amusing diversions. If you really think that Tiger Woods deserves a billion dollars, I feel bad for the world's leading croquet master being that his lawn sport was not the one arbitrarily chosen to be the "cool" one. -SM<br> - * True, there are some disparities with regards to what society deems valuable or not. Tiger is lucky that golf is as popular as it is and it does suck for the croquet master (whoever he is) that croquet is not so popular. I think that's just the way free markets work though. Its just masses of people liking golf more than croquet. Unfair? Probably some, but that's the free society.<br> - * You need to take economics 101, or just listen to [http://www.econtalk.org/ "EconTalk"]. Besides the fact that the richest people in the world usually inherit their riches, or are self starters and actually did work hard and have a ton of luck, professional athletes provide a ton of value to people who like to *watch* them. I am not one of those people who do, but I am in the minority. While professional sports has little value to us, it has a lot of value to most other people. Con artists provide little value to anyone except a lesson in street smarts to those who actually realize they've been cheated. --["Users/KellyM"]<br> - * First of all, I am an economics major at UC Davis. Anybody who reads the market news is aware of how incredibly common corporate abuse is today. In terms of white-collar con artists, many, if not most, CEOs will approve of "creative accounting" techniques to save their own behinds when they need to give the appearance of beating earnings estimates. Also, one of the things my favorite economics teacher taught our class was how to engage in a legal, but still morally dubious form of insider trading. As far as sports, I wasn't suggesting that all athletes are con artists, but I do question their supposed value in society that you claim. Just because some people enjoy *watching* something doesn't mean it has real intrinsic value beyond illusion. Many people like to *watch* TV psychics and faith healers as well, and they don't get arrested even though the vast majority are con artists. Pro sports may have encouraged a sense of community at one time, but now baseball is full of roided-up superstars who make millions more than the honest ones who don't breach ethics. Furthermore, most pro sports stars no longer have any real ties to the states in which they play and they sell out to the highest bidder. Why did Green Bay Packers fans get so upset when Brett Favre moved to their rival team, the Minnesota Vikings? Because they suddenly realized that they had just been duped by a con man. Of course he's talented, but the whole basis of the team sport he's playing is based on an illusion. That girl sounds talented too. Lee said it looked like she cried real tears! -SM<br> - * I wasn't referring to illegal insider trading or corporate fraud. I'm just saying that while the community values and "playing for a town" are gone in pro sports, they still provide entertainment to millions, that is what people are willing to pay for. Psychics and faith healers are regularly purporting to provide something that they do not actually provide, so therefore they are con-artists. People who pay for entertainment receive entertainment, they know what they are getting and they actually get it. --["Users/KellyM"]<br> - * Psychics provide comfort for grieving families by telling them that their loved ones are in a happy place. However, some people pay psychics for the entertainment factor knowing it is all BS. Faith healers, chiropractors, and acupuncturists are completely unscientific and yet they provide a very real placebo experience for many people that is documented by research studies. For some people, the placebo doesn't work, and they feel ripped off afterwards. For some fans, sports are supposed to be about entertainment, and they don't care if players like Barry Bonds are mean, doped up thugs. For others, they think that athletes are supposed be role models for kids, and they feel duped when the athlete exhibits immoral behaviors. Because there are so many varying expectations depending on the individual who interprets where value is to be found, many things in life can either be considered a con or perfectly acceptable. -SM<br> - * I knew someone who had (still has, I believe) a very severe mental illness who was able to get a PhD and has a job as a postdoc at a top university. John Nash had a crippling mental illness and won the Nobel Prize for his work on game theory (see "A Beautiful Mind"). It is certainly feasible for some people with severe mental illnesses to pull off something like this woman is (although I'm sure there are others for whom this would not be feasible at all.) It could be that she needs some help that she can not get on her own or provide for herself. It could be that she has many other options and does this for some other reason. Unless you know her, you really don't know. --["Users/IDoNotExist"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * ''The discussion about the ethics of corporations, homeless rights and Tiger Woods' salary was moved to ["Users/ScottMeehleib"]'s entry (the person whose comment started the conversation)''</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 14:55:02JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 82: </td> <td> Line 82: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 14:54:19JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 74: </td> <td> Line 74: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + =Other Cons=<br> + <br> + ''Somewhat tongue in cheek here...''<br> + <br> + * ["City Politics"]<br> + * ["UCD"]<br> + <br> + <br> + * ''See also ["bank robberies"], ["cults"] and ["crime"]''<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 14:40:05JabberWokkySome of those can be smushed into meaty balls of useful info,known as paragraphs <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 60: </td> <td> Line 60: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-03-22 17:17:46'' [[nbsp]] If one of you guys could post a better description, I would appreciate it. I only saw her once or twice in the dark. The only way to get this girl, I think, is to get scammed by her and then immediately place her under citizen's arrest and call the cops. The police are doing nothing. I can see that ending badly in many, many different ways, though. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> + * The description "dark haired girl, dyed hair reddish blond, heavy, tear-smeared make-up, aged approximately 16 to 20" above was very accurate, I recognized her immediately. Also add "smoky eye makeup" and somewhat skimpy (not too skimpy) clothing.<br> + * What, exactly would you arrest her for? It's not illegal to lie or to beg. The downside would be her suing you, possibly with help from some homeless/civil rights advocate. --["users/jimstewart"]<br> + * ''Fraud?''<br> + * ''Fraud's a bit lofty. How about ["Davis Municipal Code/26.01.010"]?'' More seriously though, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging#Aggressive_panhandling "aggressive panhandling"] is illegal in Sacramento. I don't know whether it is in Yolo County or in Davis. Near the ATM and emotional sales pitches are on the list of nono's for cities that try to curb aggressive panhandlers.<br> + * There is actually penal code right on point. pc §532(d)(a). Note that the primary meaning of eleemosynary relates to alms, or giving money to the poor. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]<br> + <br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 73: </td> <td> Line 82: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - <br> - ------<br> - ''2010-03-22 17:17:46'' [[nbsp]] If one of you guys could post a better description, I would appreciate it. I only saw her once or twice in the dark. The only way to get this girl, I think, is to get scammed by her and then immediately place her under citizen's arrest and call the cops. The police are doing nothing. I can see that ending badly in many, many different ways, though. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]<br> - * The description "dark haired girl, dyed hair reddish blond, heavy, tear-smeared make-up, aged approximately 16 to 20" above was very accurate, I recognized her immediately. Also add "smoky eye makeup" and somewhat skimpy (not too skimpy) clothing.<br> - * What, exactly would you arrest her for? It's not illegal to lie or to beg. The downside would be her suing you, possibly with help from some homeless/civil rights advocate. --["users/jimstewart"]<br> - * ''Fraud?''<br> - * ''Fraud's a bit lofty. How about ["Davis Municipal Code/26.01.010"]?'' More seriously though, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging#Aggressive_panhandling "aggressive panhandling"] is illegal in Sacramento. I don't know whether it is in Yolo County or in Davis. Near the ATM and emotional sales pitches are on the list of nono's for cities that try to curb aggressive panhandlers.<br> - * There is actually penal code right on point. pc §532(d)(a). Note that the primary meaning of eleemosynary relates to alms, or giving money to the poor. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 14:34:47JabberWokkyA much more ethical method (and one I use all the time) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 48: </td> <td> Line 48: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ''2010-03-22 13:53:53'' [[nbsp]] I have found that the easiest way to tell if these people are legit is to offer them the specific help they ask for. If they say they need money for a train ticket, I offer to buy them a train ticket. If they say they need money for gas, I offer to pay for their gas. If they say they need money for food because they are starving, when I am coming out of the grocery store, I offer them a loaf of bread. They usually get indignant and try to come up with some lame excuse of why that won't help them. One guy who claimed to be starving actually turned down a loaf of bread. Anyway, in all of the time I have used this approach, I have only come across one person in need of what they were asking for. --["Users/DavidGrundler"]<br> + <br> + * That actually sounds like a great idea. Amazing how rarely we think of the simplest solutions... ["Users/WesOne"]<br> + * It is a great idea. And I once bought a drink, sandwich, and chips for a guy hanging out at a grocery store, asking for money. Although he no doubt would have preferred the money, he did seem grateful for the food. --cp<br> + * Absolutely a great idea, when you are able to follow through on the offer. I'd do this more often if I were able to afford it myself, although I have given away leftovers several times and once or twice a full sandwich. -["users/edwins" ES"]<br> + * Yeah David, that seems like a solid approach, it was the one I came up with using the power of hindsight, but alas you have the same idea... ["Daubert"]<br> + <br> + ---------</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 66: </td> <td> Line 74: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-03-22 13:53:53'' [[nbsp]] I have found that the easiest way to tell if these people are legit is to offer them the specific help they ask for. If they say they need money for a train ticket, I offer to buy them a train ticket. If they say they need money for gas, I offer to pay for their gas. If they say they need money for food because they are starving, when I am coming out of the grocery store, I offer them a loaf of bread. They usually get indignant and try to come up with some lame excuse of why that won't help them. One guy who claimed to be starving actually turned down a loaf of bread. Anyway, in all of the time I have used this approach, I have only come across one person in need of what they were asking for. --["Users/DavidGrundler"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 69: </td> <td> Line 75: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * That actually sounds like a great idea. Amazing how rarely we think of the simplest solutions... ["Users/WesOne"]<br> - * It is a great idea. And I once bought a drink, sandwich, and chips for a guy hanging out at a grocery store, asking for money. Although he no doubt would have preferred the money, he did seem grateful for the food. --cp<br> - * Absolutely a great idea, when you are able to follow through on the offer. I'd do this more often if I were able to afford it myself, although I have given away leftovers several times and once or twice a full sandwich. -["users/edwins" ES"]<br> - * Yeah David, that seems like a solid approach, it was the one I came up with using the power of hindsight, but alas you have the same idea... ["Daubert"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 14:33:40JabberWokkyOkay, trying a structure. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Some people use fictional stories to take advantage of helpful people. Here are some local '''Con Artists'''. Be careful before adding people into this list, as there are genuine people in need. </td> <td> <span>+ [[TableOfContents(right)]]<br> + <br> +</span> Some people use fictional stories to take advantage of helpful people. Here are some local '''Con Artists'''<span>, sorted by general types of confidence tricks</span>. Be careful before adding people into this list, as there are genuine people in need. </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 4: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- =Crying Girl with a Train Schedule=</span> </td> <td> <span>+ =Stranded Neighbor=<br> + <br> + While people can easily be genuinely stranded (not everybody carries their credit card everywhere, and being broke doesn't mean you can't ask for help), the key thing that makes this a con is that the person does not actually intend to use the money they ask for to buy gas, a train ticket, or other way to get out of their predicament. Instead of simply asking for money, their falsehood in their circumstances and the intended use for your charity (and the implication that you can help them with one act and they will be okay) makes this a con. Charity is great and important, but charities that ask for money for a purpose and then use it for other reasons is bad, be it a large charity or a single person.<br> + <br> + ==Local Example: Crying Girl with a Train Schedule==</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 16: </td> <td> Line 22: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ==Experiences== </td> <td> <span>+</span> <span>=</span>==Experiences==<span>=</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 34: </td> <td> Line 40: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ==Related==</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ==Other Examples==</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 39: </td> <td> Line 45: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ==Strategies== </td> <td> <span>+</span> ==Strategies<span>&nbsp;to help honest people</span>== </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 14:31:09jefftolentino <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 94: </td> <td> Line 94: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * True, there are some disparities with regards to what society deems valuable or not. Tiger is lucky that golf is as popular as it is and it does suck for the croquet master (whoever he is) that croquet is not so popular. I think that's just the way free markets work though. Its just masses of people liking golf more than croquet. Unfair? Probably some, but <span>still preferable it over a controlled market</span>. </td> <td> <span>+</span> * True, there are some disparities with regards to what society deems valuable or not. Tiger is lucky that golf is as popular as it is and it does suck for the croquet master (whoever he is) that croquet is not so popular. I think that's just the way free markets work though. Its just masses of people liking golf more than croquet. Unfair? Probably some, but <span>that's the free society</span>. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 14:27:51jefftolentino <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 94: </td> <td> Line 94: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * True, there are some disparities with regards to what society deems valuable or not. Tiger is lucky that golf is as popular as it is and it does suck for the croquet master (whoever he is) that croquet is not so popular. I think that's just the way free markets work though. Its just masses of people liking golf more than croquet. Unfair? Probably some, but still preferable it over a controlled market.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 14:27:08JabberWokkyOkay, sorted, now reheadering into some workable catgeories. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 74: </td> <td> Line 74: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------</span> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + <br> + =The ["Trolls" Wiki Con] in Action=</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 14:24:53JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 97: </td> <td> Line 97: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * I think that this discussion has strayed into a realm of what-ifs where there is some attempt excuse her behavior by assigning some mental illness to her when in fact she is almost certainly just some self-centered jerk. To imply that her behavior is in some way motivated by a mental illness is really just insulting to people who actually do have to cope with that kind of thing. --["Users/JoePomidor"]<br> - * What is a college town in California without a few bleeding hearts using past trauma or mental illness as excuses for bad behavior? --["Users/hankim"] ''What's a college town without a few people who are determined to believe they're being screwed by someone who is living off the fat of the land? Again, none of us know what this woman's story is, but some (not Han in particular) seem ready to excoriate her without a shred of evidence.'' --cp<br> - ''Agreed. Though it would be interesting if someone did a similar story and research as was done on the "stranded" girl from that news report video linked above in the entry ([http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krg5r6n0kr4 relinked])''<br> - * I think we have no frikkin clue what this woman's story is. She may have had a terrible life, she may not have. What good is it to speculate? Let's just present what is going on and leave the speculation out of it. --cp<br> - * The reason why I am speculating is because this whole page is silly in terms of singling somebody out. How do we define who and what a con artist is? Should we put the Davis psychic on the list? How about listing the names of local casinos? How about blacklisting the local newspapers for using children to sell subscriptions door to door because they know it's harder to turn down a kid? I think it's pretty irresponsible to use kids as door-to-door salesmen. Oh yeah, and I almost forgot about local chiropracters: The American Medical Association called chiropractic an "unscientific cult -SM<br> - * I think the Davis Psychic absolutely deserves to be on this page!</span> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + '''Check out ["/Talk"] for discussions about this ''page'' rather than ''the topic'''''</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 14:23:48JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 26: </td> <td> Line 26: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-03-22 16:50:18'' [[nbsp]] Oh No! I was at University Mall Bank of America ATM I think last month and was scammed $5 by this girl!!! She was crying (real tears I thought I saw) that "she and her boyfriend had a huge fight", she was chased out of the apartment and she needed $35 for a motel stay. I was with my kids so I didn't bother to offer any help beside the $5 :( Thanks so much for this page - this needs to go into the Enterprise and reported to the police!! --["Users/LeeY"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 66: </td> <td> Line 68: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2010-03-22 16:50:18'' [[nbsp]] Oh No! I was at University Mall Bank of America ATM I think last month and was scammed $5 by this girl!!! She was crying (real tears I thought I saw) that "she and her boyfriend had a huge fight", she was chased out of the apartment and she needed $35 for a motel stay. I was with my kids so I didn't bother to offer any help beside the $5 :( Thanks so much for this page - this needs to go into the Enterprise and reported to the police!! --["Users/LeeY"]<br> - ------</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 14:22:32JabberWokkyOne of these makes me uncomfortable, but I'm moving, not editing. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 30: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 33: </td> <td> Line 35: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + <br> + ==Strategies==<br> + <br> + <br> + <br> + Couldn’t someone just shove her into their car trunk and deliver her to the police or something? I’d volunteer for this community cleanup operation, but I would need a car first (and also figure out what I would do if she starts screaming “rape”). --["Users/EBT"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 48: </td> <td> Line 58: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ----<br> - <br> - Couldn’t someone just shove her into their car trunk and deliver her to the police or something? I’d volunteer for this community cleanup operation, but I would need a car first (and also figure out what I would do if she starts screaming “rape”). --["Users/EBT"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 14:20:37JabberWokkyTrying some organization. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 16: </td> <td> Line 16: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ==Experiences==<br> + <br> + So it would appear that I've talked to this girl... She said she was from San Diego and her mother stranded her, she needed 37 bucks for an amtrak ticket, but she already had the ticket slip which meant that she rode the train one way already. I was at an ATM at the time so I found it weird, things weren't adding up. She had just gotten off the phone and was crying as well. Funny now I see a page, ["Daubert"]<br> + <br> + ----<br> + <br> + Tried to hit me up on the corner of 3rd and F. Had a female partner with her trying to get $35.00 for train fare to San Diego saying she had just recently been kicked out her home by her live-in Boyfriend. Sad really that this is somehow becoming a lifestyle for her and that she has somehow convinced her friend to help her do it now. Hair was reddish Blonde and her friend was brunette. Both appear to be aroun16 or 17 years old. --["Users/WesOne"]<br> + Yeah she had reddish blonde hair when I saw her, it was also around 3rd and F. --["Daubert"]<br> + <br> + <br> + <br> + ------<br> + ''2010-03-22 22:46:56'' [[nbsp]] She is targeting parents with kids too with her sob stories, yes - got another report from friend :( --["Users/LeeY"]<br> + <br> + ==Related==<br> + <br> + I ran into before where a woman in SF asked if I had money for gas. I told her gas station take credit card and she said she did not have one and yeah she was well dress and did not look homeless. Con artist probably think of all the answers to questions like mine to get money. --["SimonFung"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 25: </td> <td> Line 43: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- So it would appear that I've talked to this girl... She said she was from San Diego and her mother stranded her, she needed 37 bucks for an amtrak ticket, but she already had the ticket slip which meant that she rode the train one way already. I was at an ATM at the time so I found it weird, things weren't adding up. She had just gotten off the phone and was crying as well. Funny now I see a page, ["Daubert"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 27: </td> <td> Line 44: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ----</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 45: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- Tried to hit me up on the corner of 3rd and F. Had a female partner with her trying to get $35.00 for train fare to San Diego saying she had just recently been kicked out her home by her live-in Boyfriend. Sad really that this is somehow becoming a lifestyle for her and that she has somehow convinced her friend to help her do it now. Hair was reddish Blonde and her friend was brunette. Both appear to be aroun16 or 17 years old. --["Users/WesOne"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 31: </td> <td> Line 46: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- Yeah she had reddish blonde hair when I saw her, it was also around 3rd and F. --["Daubert"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 33: </td> <td> Line 47: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ----<br> - <br> - Shouldn't this just be "any girl who isn't homeless and is pretending to be stranded"? There are so many variations of this (gas, bus, train) in every city and not all of them cry. They just say something like, "omg, please do you have $10 for gas? My car is parked up the street and I just dropped my boyfriend off at the airport and I'm totally out of gas." As if a girl who looks like she just walked out of a GAP catalog wouldn't have a credit card. --["Users/KellyM"]<br> - <br> - I ran into before where a woman in SF asked if I had money for gas. I told her gas station take credit card and she said she did not have one and yeah she was well dress and did not look homeless. Con artist probably think of all the answers to questions like mine to get money. --["SimonFung"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 87: </td> <td> Line 96: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-03-22 22:46:56'' [[nbsp]] She is targeting parents with kids too with her sob stories, yes - got another report from friend :( --["Users/LeeY"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 14:17:01JabberWokkymv talk about the *page* to talk. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 89: </td> <td> Line 89: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-03-23 10:59:41'' [[nbsp]] Maybe some of this information could be moved to "panhandlers" and the more abstract comments could be removed. --["Users/DonShor"]<br> - * Good idea. --cp<br> - * That sounds fair. Personally, I think "con artist" is just too loaded and broad. -SM<br> - * There is a distinction between the four categories of a panhandler, a con artist, being unemployed and a homeless person, although the four are too often lumped together or a person fitting into one category causes people to assume the other. I would personally rather not lump them all together, especially as people seem to be already tossing in two of the remaining three assumptions: secretly having money and mental illness. Add "addict" to the mix, and you have the trifecta of assumptions applied to anybody on the street. As a side note, somehow, there's a parallel amazing amount of lumping in together of all wealthy people and corporations[[Footnote(I filled out the state corporation paperwork for Wiki Spot in Jason's office, shall we ascribe evil to ourselves?)]] as well... I guess when the broad brushes are out, might as well paint everything in black and white. -jw<br> - * Other suggestions for cutting this off, then? It's way off topic. (While there are panhandlers who are not con-artists, and vice versa, this person seems to be both a panhandler and a con-artist). --cp<br> - * They might even be an artistic handler of conventional pans! --["Users/IDoNotExist"]<br> - * Another way to put a stop to it would be to keep ALL specific characteristics out of the description and just describe the nature of the con in a neutral way. Personally-identifying characteristics are a bad idea and can be grounds for possible lawsuits. If someone takes a picture of her, and posts it on a "panhandler" page, it also sets a horrible precedent where people might just try to take pictures of every panhandler they see. -SM<br> - * Actually, I think a personal anecdote and actual experience is fair. The speculation and turning her into a "they" is worrying, but the actual specifics are where I'm most comfortable because it's an actual person's story (or three, at this point). -jw<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-03-23 13:34:33'' [[nbsp]] to be 100% fair we should include all California politicians on this page too --["Users/OliviaY"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 14:15:55JabberWokkyReply... I'm moving the meta to the Talk page, so give it minute. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 97: </td> <td> Line 97: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Actually, I think a personal anecdote and actual experience is fair. The speculation and turning her into a "they" is worrying, but the actual specifics are where I'm most comfortable because it's an actual person's story (or three, at this point). -jw</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 14:05:13ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 75: </td> <td> Line 75: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * I don't think that sports and acting are all inherently acts of con artistry. The con aspect comes as a result of the masses who have been hypnotized into believing that these figures deserve to be paid as much as they get. There is a difference between being lazy and being almost totally unproductive. For example, competitive eating is also a sport like a golf, and I'm sure that the world champion Takeru Kobayashi spends lots of time honing his otherwise useless skill of eating ten hot dogs in a couple minutes. Just as I'm sure Tiger Woods has spent a countless amount of time hitting tiny balls. However, in a more sane society, these two activities would be recognized for what they really are: hobbies and amusing diversions. If you really think that Tiger Woods deserves a billion dollars, I feel bad for the world's leading croquet master being that his lawn sport was not the one arbitrarily chosen to be the "cool" one. </td> <td> <span>+</span> * I don't think that sports and acting are all inherently acts of con artistry. The con aspect comes as a result of the masses who have been hypnotized into believing that these figures deserve to be paid as much as they get. There is a difference between being lazy and being almost totally unproductive. For example, competitive eating is also a sport like a golf, and I'm sure that the world champion Takeru Kobayashi spends lots of time honing his otherwise useless skill of eating ten hot dogs in a couple minutes. Just as I'm sure Tiger Woods has spent a countless amount of time hitting tiny balls. However, in a more sane society, these two activities would be recognized for what they really are: hobbies and amusing diversions. If you really think that Tiger Woods deserves a billion dollars, I feel bad for the world's leading croquet master being that his lawn sport was not the one arbitrarily chosen to be the "cool" one.<span>&nbsp;-SM</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 14:04:42ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 75: </td> <td> Line 75: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I don't think that sports and acting are all inherently acts of con artistry. The con aspect comes as a result of the masses who have been hypnotized into believing that these figures deserve to be paid as much as they get. There is a difference between being lazy and being almost totally unproductive. For example, competitive eating is also a sport like a golf, and I'm sure that the world champion Takeru Kobayashi spends lots of time honing his otherwise useless skill of eating ten hot dogs in a couple minutes. Just as I'm sure Tiger Woods has spent a countless amount of time hitting tiny balls. However, in a more sane society, these two activities would be recognized for what they really are: hobbies and amusing diversions. If you really think that Tiger Woods deserves a billion dollars, I feel bad for the world's leading croquet master being that his lawn sport was not the one arbitrarily chosen to be the "cool" one.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 13:40:28ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 95: </td> <td> Line 95: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Another way to put a stop to it would be to keep ALL specific characteristics out of the description and just describe the nature of the con in a neutral way. Personally-identifying characteristics are a bad idea and can be grounds for possible lawsuits. If someone takes a picture of her, and posts it on a "panhandler" page, it also sets a horrible precedent where people might just try to take pictures of every panhandler they see. -SM</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 13:34:33OliviaYComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 95: </td> <td> Line 95: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-03-23 13:34:33'' [[nbsp]] to be 100% fair we should include all California politicians on this page too --["Users/OliviaY"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 13:30:59jefftolentino <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 72: </td> <td> Line 72: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> * Conservatives don't enjoy music? And the guy who solved the Poincare Conjecture refused the million dollar reward for the solution. --["Users/hankim"]<br> <span>- </span> * I didn't say anything about conservatives disliking music. The question was about whether certain artists can be said to be exploiting people. He mentioned artists such as Pink Floyd, Led Leppelin, and the Beatles which were all considered counter-cultural icons in their prime. In fact, they were believed to be evil by some in the far religious right. Regarding Perelman, the million dollar reward thing is complicated and he actually wasn't even officially offered a stake in it until recently. And even if he gets a million, so what? That's chump change in terms of the value of his work and he's not exactly a recognizable figure to the masses either. </td> <td> <span>+</span> * Conservatives don't enjoy music? And the guy who solved the Poincare Conjecture refused the million dollar reward for the solution. --["Users/hankim"]<br> <span>+</span> * I didn't say anything about conservatives disliking music. The question was about whether certain artists can be said to be exploiting people. He mentioned artists such as Pink Floyd, Led Leppelin, and the Beatles which were all considered counter-cultural icons in their prime. In fact, they were believed to be evil by some in the far religious right. Regarding Perelman, the million dollar reward thing is complicated and he actually wasn't even officially offered a stake in it until recently. And even if he gets a million, so what? That's chump change in terms of the value of his work and he's not exactly a recognizable figure to the masses either.<span><br> + * TW is by no means a superhero, and he has to pick his battle just like the rest of us. He didn't discover a cure for cancer or bring peace to the middle east either. I'd be willing to bet that he disagrees with Augusta's policies though. Bottom line is that guy worked for what he has, and doesn't deserve to be classified as a lazy con artist.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 13:25:09IDoNotExist(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 93: </td> <td> Line 93: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * They might even be an artistic handler of conventional pans! --["Users/IDoNotExist"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 13:20:03ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 73: </td> <td> Line 73: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I didn't say anything about conservatives disliking music. The question was about whether certain artists can be said to be exploiting people. He mentioned artists such as Pink Floyd, Led Leppelin, and the Beatles which were all considered counter-cultural icons in their prime. In fact, they were believed to be evil by some in the far religious right. Regarding Perelman, the million dollar reward thing is complicated and he actually wasn't even officially offered a stake in it until recently. And even if he gets a million, so what? That's chump change in terms of the value of his work and he's not exactly a recognizable figure to the masses either.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 13:10:46hankim <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 14: </td> <td> Line 14: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ''Example: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krg5r6n0kr4 YouTube video] of a news team following some panhandlers, including a “stranded” teenage girl. Some of these scamming panhandlers are relatively successful, estimated to earn up to $50/hr and may just be local kids/teenagers.''<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 18: </td> <td> Line 20: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''Example: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krg5r6n0kr4 YouTube video] of a news team following some panhandlers, including a “stranded” teenage girl. Some of these scamming panhandlers are relatively successful, estimated to earn up to $50/hr and may just be local kids/teenagers.''</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 13:08:43hankim(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 16: </td> <td> Line 16: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> This usually happens when someone leaves a posting online for a room that is available for rent. The con artist usually poses as a foreign student and contacts the poster about being interested in the room and then sends a check that is a certain amount over the requested amount for deposit, first month's rent, or any other possible costs involved in adding oneself to a lease. Then the con artist contacts the poster and asks <span>that</span> the extra money <span>is</span> wired back (before the check bounces) in order to purchase plane tickets. Once the poster wires the money, the poster is out at least a thousand dollars or so. So those with an available room for rent, make sure the check clears before wiring money to anyone. </td> <td> <span>+</span> This usually happens when someone leaves a posting online for a room that is available for rent. The con artist usually poses as a foreign student and contacts the poster about being interested in the room and then sends a check that is a certain amount over the requested amount for deposit, first month's rent, or any other possible costs involved in adding oneself to a lease. Then the con artist contacts the poster and asks <span>for</span> the extra money <span>to be</span> wired back (before the check bounces) in order to purchase plane tickets. Once the poster wires the money, the poster is out at least a thousand dollars or so. So those with an available room for rent, make sure the check clears before wiring money to anyone. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 13:07:26hankimAdded another common con in Davis. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 13: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + =Interested Room-Seeker Con=<br> + <br> + This usually happens when someone leaves a posting online for a room that is available for rent. The con artist usually poses as a foreign student and contacts the poster about being interested in the room and then sends a check that is a certain amount over the requested amount for deposit, first month's rent, or any other possible costs involved in adding oneself to a lease. Then the con artist contacts the poster and asks that the extra money is wired back (before the check bounces) in order to purchase plane tickets. Once the poster wires the money, the poster is out at least a thousand dollars or so. So those with an available room for rent, make sure the check clears before wiring money to anyone.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 13:02:56CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 86: </td> <td> Line 86: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Other suggestions for cutting this off, then? It's way off topic. (While there are panhandlers who are not con-artists, and vice versa, this person seems to be both a panhandler and a con-artist). --cp</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 12:58:51JabberWokkyThe name was carefully chosen. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 85: </td> <td> Line 85: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * There is a distinction between the four categories of a panhandler, a con artist, being unemployed and a homeless person, although the four are too often lumped together or a person fitting into one category causes people to assume the other. I would personally rather not lump them all together, especially as people seem to be already tossing in two of the remaining three assumptions: secretly having money and mental illness. Add "addict" to the mix, and you have the trifecta of assumptions applied to anybody on the street. As a side note, somehow, there's a parallel amazing amount of lumping in together of all wealthy people and corporations[[Footnote(I filled out the state corporation paperwork for Wiki Spot in Jason's office, shall we ascribe evil to ourselves?)]] as well... I guess when the broad brushes are out, might as well paint everything in black and white. -jw</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 12:51:21ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 71: </td> <td> Line 71: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Psychics provide comfort for grieving families by telling them that their loved ones are in a happy place. However, some people pay psychics for the entertainment factor knowing it is all BS. Faith healers, chiropractors, and acupuncturists are completely unscientific and yet they provide a very real placebo experience for many people that is documented by research studies. For some people, the placebo doesn't work, and they feel ripped off afterwards. For some fans, sports are supposed to be about entertainment, and they don't care if players like Barry Bonds are mean, doped up thugs. For others, they think that athletes are supposed be role models for kids, and they feel duped when the athlete exhibits immoral behaviors. Because there are so many varying expectations depending on the individual who interprets where value is to be found, many things in life can either be considered a con or perfectly acceptable. -SM</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 11:54:20hankim(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 67: </td> <td> Line 67: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Conservatives don't enjoy music? And the guy who solved the Poincare Conjecture refused the million dollar reward for the solution. --["Users/hankim"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 11:48:15ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 66: </td> <td> Line 66: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> *I think it's very ironic that you cite Tiger Woods as breaking barriers given that he just stirred controversy again today regarding his comeback at Augusta, a club that is known for its discriminatory policies barring women from entry. People are saying that it's a slap in the face given that this is the same man who allegedly loved to degrade women. According to other news articles, many black Americans believe that Tiger Woods is racist based on the fact that all of his known mistresses and his wife are white. I don't think that Tiger deserves a billion for golf while brilliant mathemeticians such as Grigori Perelman (who solved the famous Poincare conjecture) live in their parents' basements and generally make peanuts in comparison. As far as music goes, while I personally admire most of the artists you mentioned , a lot of people, particularly conservatives, would disagree with you that they made the world a better place. </td> <td> <span>+</span> *I think it's very ironic that you cite Tiger Woods as breaking barriers given that he just stirred controversy again today regarding his comeback at Augusta, a club that is known for its discriminatory policies barring women from entry. People are saying that it's a slap in the face given that this is the same man who allegedly loved to degrade women. According to other news articles, many black Americans believe that Tiger Woods is racist based on the fact that all of his known mistresses and his wife are white. I don't think that Tiger deserves a billion for golf while brilliant mathemeticians such as Grigori Perelman (who solved the famous Poincare conjecture) live in their parents' basements and generally make peanuts in comparison. As far as music goes, while I personally admire most of the artists you mentioned , a lot of people, particularly conservatives, would disagree with you that they made the world a better place.<span>&nbsp;-SM</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 11:47:26ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 66: </td> <td> Line 66: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ *I think it's very ironic that you cite Tiger Woods as breaking barriers given that he just stirred controversy again today regarding his comeback at Augusta, a club that is known for its discriminatory policies barring women from entry. People are saying that it's a slap in the face given that this is the same man who allegedly loved to degrade women. According to other news articles, many black Americans believe that Tiger Woods is racist based on the fact that all of his known mistresses and his wife are white. I don't think that Tiger deserves a billion for golf while brilliant mathemeticians such as Grigori Perelman (who solved the famous Poincare conjecture) live in their parents' basements and generally make peanuts in comparison. As far as music goes, while I personally admire most of the artists you mentioned , a lot of people, particularly conservatives, would disagree with you that they made the world a better place.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 11:31:32KellyM(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 68: </td> <td> Line 68: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I wasn't referring to illegal insider trading or corporate fraud. I'm just saying that while the community values and "playing for a town" are gone in pro sports, they still provide entertainment to millions, that is what people are willing to pay for. Psychics and faith healers are regularly purporting to provide something that they do not actually provide, so therefore they are con-artists. People who pay for entertainment receive entertainment, they know what they are getting and they actually get it. --["Users/KellyM"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 11:25:22ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 80: </td> <td> Line 80: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * That sounds fair. Personally, I think "con artist" is just too loaded and broad. </td> <td> <span>+</span> * That sounds fair. Personally, I think "con artist" is just too loaded and broad.<span>&nbsp;-SM</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 11:25:10ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 80: </td> <td> Line 80: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * That sounds fair. Personally, I think "con artist" is just too loaded and broad.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 11:09:27CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 79: </td> <td> Line 79: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Good idea. --cp</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 11:08:12jefftolentino <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 74: </td> <td> Line 74: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I think the Davis Psychic absolutely deserves to be on this page!</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 11:00:16ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 73: </td> <td> Line 73: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * The reason why I am speculating is because this whole page is silly in terms of singling somebody out. How do we define who and what a con artist is? Should we put the Davis psychic on the list? How about listing the names of local casinos? How about blacklisting the local newspapers for using children to sell subscriptions door to door because they know it's harder to turn down a kid? I think it's pretty irresponsible to use kids as door-to-door salesmen. -SM</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * The reason why I am speculating is because this whole page is silly in terms of singling somebody out. How do we define who and what a con artist is? Should we put the Davis psychic on the list? How about listing the names of local casinos? How about blacklisting the local newspapers for using children to sell subscriptions door to door because they know it's harder to turn down a kid? I think it's pretty irresponsible to use kids as door-to-door salesmen. Oh yeah, and I almost forgot about local chiropracters: The American Medical Association called chiropractic an "unscientific cult -SM</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 10:59:41DonShorComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 76: </td> <td> Line 76: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-03-23 10:59:41'' [[nbsp]] Maybe some of this information could be moved to "panhandlers" and the more abstract comments could be removed. --["Users/DonShor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 10:59:13jefftolentino <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 65: </td> <td> Line 65: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Well if that's the case, Hankim, then maybe you had that one coming. :) Seriouly though, there's a lot of things in our society that, despite being somewhat frivolous, enrich our culture. These include the arts and athletics. Are muscians exploiting people too? The Beatles made lots and lots of money, but was their contribution to American music not worth thier compensation? How about Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, or Public Enemy. Should we just stop paying these guys? Are artists taking advantage of people? How about writers? Granted, TW does have a certain level of natural ability, but he developed it with hardwork. He earned enough respect in the golf community to make a living at it, and he's on of the best at what he does. Shouldn't he deserve that? Golf has a dubious history of prejudice, with non-whites occationally being barred from joining golf clubs. The guy helped break down those barriers. He also runs a foundation to raise money for youth programs and scholarships. Is that exploitation? I don't think you can compare what these guys do to conning people out of $40 with a fake story about getting stranded at the train station.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 10:47:24ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 72: </td> <td> Line 72: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * The reason why I am speculating is because this whole page is silly in terms of singling somebody out. How do we define who and what a con artist is? Should we put the Davis psychic on the list? How about listing the names of local casinos? How about blacklisting the local newspapers for using children to sell subscriptions door to door because they know it's harder to turn down a kid? I think it's pretty irresponsible to use kids as door-to-door salesmen.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * The reason why I am speculating is because this whole page is silly in terms of singling somebody out. How do we define who and what a con artist is? Should we put the Davis psychic on the list? How about listing the names of local casinos? How about blacklisting the local newspapers for using children to sell subscriptions door to door because they know it's harder to turn down a kid? I think it's pretty irresponsible to use kids as door-to-door salesmen. -SM</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 10:46:52ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 72: </td> <td> Line 72: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * The reason why I am speculating is because this whole page is silly in terms of singling somebody out. How do we define who and what a con artist is? Should we put the Davis psychic on the list? How about listing the names of local casinos? How about blacklisting the local newspapers for using children to sell subscriptions door to door because they know it's harder to turn down a kid? I think it's pretty irresponsible to use kids as door-to-door salesmen.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 10:46:08CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 69: </td> <td> Line 69: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * What is a college town in California without a few bleeding hearts using past trauma or mental illness as excuses for bad behavior? --["Users/hankim"] ''What's a college town without a few people who are determined to believe they're being screwed by someone who is living off the fat of the land? Again, y<span>ou don't know what this woman's stor</span>y <span>is. None of us do</span>.'' --cp </td> <td> <span>+</span> * What is a college town in California without a few bleeding hearts using past trauma or mental illness as excuses for bad behavior? --["Users/hankim"] ''What's a college town without a few people who are determined to believe they're being screwed by someone who is living off the fat of the land? Again, <span>none of us know what this woman's stor</span>y<span>&nbsp;is, but some (not Han in particular) seem read</span>y <span>to excoriate her without a shred of evidence</span>.'' --cp </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 10:37:31ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 66: </td> <td> Line 66: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * First of all, I am an economics major at UC Davis. Anybody who reads the market news is aware of how incredibly common corporate abuse is today. In terms of white-collar con artists, many, if not most, CEOs will approve of "creative accounting" techniques to save their own behinds when they need to give the appearance of beating earnings estimates. Also, one of the things my favorite economics teacher taught our class was how to engage in a legal, but still morally dubious form of insider trading. As far as sports, I wasn't suggesting that all athletes are con artists, but I do question their supposed value in society that you claim. Just because some people enjoy *watching* something doesn't mean it has real intrinsic value beyond illusion. Many people like to *watch* TV psychics and faith healers as well, and they don't get arrested even though the vast majority are con artists. Pro sports may have encouraged a sense of community at one time, but now baseball is full of roided-up superstars who make millions more than the honest ones who don't breach ethics. Furthermore, most pro sports stars no longer have any real ties to the states in which they play and they sell out to the highest bidder. Why did Green Bay Packers fans get so upset when Brett Favre moved to their rival team, the Minnesota Vikings? Because they suddenly realized that they had just been duped by a con man. Of course he's talented, but the whole basis of the team sport he's playing is based on an illusion. That girl sounds talented too. Lee said it looked like she cried real tears! -SM</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 10:28:10CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 68: </td> <td> Line 68: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * What is a college town in California without a few bleeding hearts using past trauma or mental illness as excuses for bad behavior? --["Users/hankim"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * What is a college town in California without a few bleeding hearts using past trauma or mental illness as excuses for bad behavior? --["Users/hankim"]<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;''What's a college town without a few people who are determined to believe they're being screwed by someone who is living off the fat of the land? Again, you don't know what this woman's story is. None of us do.'' --cp</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 10:19:06hankim(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 68: </td> <td> Line 68: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * What is a college town in California without a few bleeding hearts using past trauma or mental illness as excuses for bad behavior? --["Users/hankim"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 10:17:02EdWins <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 68: </td> <td> Line 68: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * I think we have no frikkin clue what this woman's story is. She may have had a terrible life, she may not have. What good is it to speculate? Let's just present what is going on and leave the speculation out of it. --cp </td> <td> <span>+ ''Agreed. Though it would be interesting if someone did a similar story and research as was done on the "stranded" girl from that news report video linked above in the entry ([http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krg5r6n0kr4 relinked])''<br> + </span> * I think we have no frikkin clue what this woman's story is. She may have had a terrible life, she may not have. What good is it to speculate? Let's just present what is going on and leave the speculation out of it. --cp </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 10:16:14CovertProfessorthis is off topic <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 68: </td> <td> Line 68: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ * I think we have no frikkin clue what this woman's story is. She may have had a terrible life, she may not have. What good is it to speculate? Let's just present what is going on and leave the speculation out of it. --cp</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 10:13:31JoePomidor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 67: </td> <td> Line 67: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I think that this discussion has strayed into a realm of what-ifs where there is some attempt excuse her behavior by assigning some mental illness to her when in fact she is almost certainly just some self-centered jerk. To imply that her behavior is in some way motivated by a mental illness is really just insulting to people who actually do have to cope with that kind of thing. --["Users/JoePomidor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 09:07:32hankim(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 64: </td> <td> Line 64: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * He convinced me to buy Gatorade by making me think that I would become a pro golfer. --["Users/hankim"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 08:56:06jefftolentino <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 63: </td> <td> Line 63: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * How is Tiger Woods exploiting people (ok, besides his wife and girlfriends)?</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 08:30:38KellyM(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 63: </td> <td> Line 63: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * You need to take economics 101, or just listen to [http://www.econtalk.org/ "EconTalk"]. Besides the fact that the richest people in the world usually inherit their riches, or are self starters and actually did work hard and have a ton of luck, professional athletes provide a ton of value to people who like to *watch* them. I am not one of those people who do, but I am in the minority. While professional sports has little value to us, it has a lot of value to most other people. Con artists provide little value to anyone except a lesson in street smarts to those who actually realize they've been cheated. --["Users/KellyM"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 01:58:11ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 62: </td> <td> Line 62: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * The whole notion of working and applying yourself is becoming gray these days anyway. In the modern world, opportunism is the name of the game. If you look at the richest people in the country, most of them did not get rich from hard work in the old fashioned sense; they knew how and when to exploit others, and their real talents were mainly in social networking and market timing. Look at how we dump so much of our money to movie stars and athletes. Tiger Woods is worth something like a billion dollars for hitting tiny balls into holes. Is this really work?</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * The whole notion of working and applying yourself is becoming gray these days anyway. In the modern world, opportunism is the name of the game. If you look at the richest people in the country, most of them did not get rich from hard work in the old fashioned sense; they knew how and when to exploit others, and their real talents were mainly in social networking and market timing. Look at how we dump so much of our money to movie stars and athletes. Tiger Woods is worth something like a billion dollars for hitting tiny balls into holes. Is this really work? -SM</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 01:50:06IDoNotExistmore deconflicting <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 62: </td> <td> Line 62: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ----- /!\ Edit conflict! Your version: -----</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 64: </td> <td> Line 63: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ----- /!\ Edit conflict! 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If you look at the richest people in the country, most of them did not get rich from hard work in the old fashioned sense; they knew how and when to exploit others, and their real talents were mainly in social networking and market timing. Look at how we dump so much of our money to movie stars and athletes. Tiger Woods is worth something like a billion dollars for hitting tiny balls into holes. Is this really work?<br> + ----- /!\ Edit conflict! 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Especially with the documented stories of teens who do this to score soy-chocolattos or iphones. "If you are gonna beg for money you have to be crazy, drunk or disabled...or one of those guys who paints himself like a robot." To quote King of the Hill "The Texas Pandhandler" excellent episode.-OY</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 63: </td> <td> Line 63: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- *...turn to such a life, even at the expense of generating a society numb to the plight of the few who really need charity. Why? Because conning and scamming is easier/more enjoyable/less difficult than working and applying themselves. Nope. No pity here. Especially with the documented stories of teens who do this to score soy-chocolattos or iphones. "If you are gonna beg for money you have to be crazy, drunk or disabled...or one of those guys who paints himself like a robot." To quote King of the Hill "The Texas Pandhandler" excellent episode.-OY</span> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 01:44:00IDoNotExisttrying to deconflict posting <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 61: </td> <td> Line 61: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ----- /!\ Edit conflict! Your version: -----<br> + * I knew someone who had (still has, I believe) a very severe mental illness who was able to get a PhD and has a job as a postdoc at a top university. John Nash had a crippling mental illness and won the Nobel Prize for his work on game theory (see "A Beautiful Mind"). It is certainly feasible for some people with severe mental illnesses to pull off something like this woman is (although I'm sure there are others for whom this would not be feasible at all.) It could be that she needs some help that she can not get on her own or provide for herself. It could be that she has many other options and does this for some other reason. Unless you know her, you really don't know. --["Users/IDoNotExist"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 01:34:45OliviaY <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 61: </td> <td> Line 61: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ *...turn to such a life, even at the expense of generating a society numb to the plight of the few who really need charity. Why? Because conning and scamming is easier/more enjoyable/less difficult than working and applying themselves. Nope. No pity here. Especially with the documented stories of teens who do this to score soy-chocolattos or iphones. "If you are gonna beg for money you have to be crazy, drunk or disabled...or one of those guys who paints himself like a robot." To quote King of the Hill "The Texas Pandhandler" excellent episode.-OY</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 01:17:55ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 60: </td> <td> Line 60: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I myself am severely mentally ill (obsessive compulsive disorder and schizo-affective disorder) so I speak from my own personal experience. I am by no means stupid, but I have issues with learning certain things and completing tasks in proper amounts of time; Society/my parents don't deserve all the blame for my own current shit-state, but they deserve quite a bit of it. I have applied for over 50 jobs in my life and have only been hired at a donut shop and a carnival, I didn't even get past my freshman year of high school because I was tormented by people who constantly made fun of my Tourette Syndrome. I was fired from the donut shop for being too slow. If push comes to shove, I will do what it takes to avoid ending up on the street, and if I have to kill myself to avoid it, so be it. I don't think I would ever allow myself to become a con man because of my morals, but I certainly understand how and why some people turn to such a life. -SM</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 00:54:24OliviaY <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 59: </td> <td> Line 59: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * There is a point when you have to stop blaming society/your parents/the government etc and take responsibility for yourself. Mentally disturbed individuals don't have the ability to pan-handle using the same story again and again which makes her very different from your cottage cheese individual. His sounds like one of the few tragic and true cases that get dismissed because of people who abuse sympathies and create a general apathy toward the downtrodden. So if you really cared you would be angriest at able bodied young adults who spend their time lying, manipulating and perpetuating the concept of panhandlers as hucksters.-["Users/OliviaY"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 00:53:08ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p>No differences found!</div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 00:50:18ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p>No differences found!</div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 00:43:19ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 58: </td> <td> Line 58: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * Olivia, my point is that she may be one of those people who has been discarded and abused, and she is not necessarily an "evil" person out to get you; maybe she is just trying to survive the only way she knows how. I lived in downtown Sacramento for a few years, and I was shocked by the many people who have basically been trashed by society; one guy who i saw often in the park next to my apartment was very nice but obviously mentally disturbed, and I almost cried when he offered me cottage cheese from the trash can one time. I wish he would have been a con artist or something because obviously most people don't give a shit about him and he's just going to die anyway; why shouldn't he do whatever he can do to try to get himself out of the gutter?</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * Olivia, my point is that she may be one of those people who has been discarded and abused, and she is not necessarily an "evil" person out to get you; maybe she is just trying to survive the only way she knows how. I lived in downtown Sacramento for a few years, and I was shocked by the many people who have basically been trashed by society; one guy who i saw often in the park next to my apartment was very nice but obviously mentally disturbed, and I almost cried when he offered me cottage cheese from the trash can one time. I wish he would have been a con artist or something because obviously most people don't give a shit about him and he's just going to die anyway; why shouldn't he do whatever he can do to try to get himself out of the gutter? -SM</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 00:41:58ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 58: </td> <td> Line 58: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Olivia, my point is that she may be one of those people who has been discarded and abused, and she is not necessarily an "evil" person out to get you; maybe she is just trying to survive the only way she knows how. I lived in downtown Sacramento for a few years, and I was shocked by the many people who have basically been trashed by society; one guy who i saw often in the park next to my apartment was very nice but obviously mentally disturbed, and I almost cried when he offered me cottage cheese from the trash can one time. I wish he would have been a con artist or something because obviously most people don't give a shit about him and he's just going to die anyway; why shouldn't he do whatever he can do to try to get himself out of the gutter?</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 00:27:06OliviaY <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 57: </td> <td> Line 57: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * There is a difference between being an actress and being a sociopath which by the way, many "greasy car salesmen" are. They don't all kill people, most just con and do so without regard for the people they hurt. They don't "deserve" anything and certainly aren't socially acceptable.--[Users/<span>"</span>OliviaY"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * There is a difference between being an actress and being a sociopath which by the way, many "greasy car salesmen" are. They don't all kill people, most just con and do so without regard for the people they hurt. They don't "deserve" anything and certainly aren't socially acceptable.--[<span>"</span>Users/OliviaY"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 00:26:29OliviaY <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 57: </td> <td> Line 57: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * There is a difference between being an actress and being a sociopath which by the way, many "greasy car salesmen" are. They don't all kill people, most just con and do so without regard for the people they hurt. They don't "deserve" anything and certainly aren't socially acceptable.--[Users/"OliviaY"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 00:23:53ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 56: </td> <td> Line 56: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * I was sort of joking, but I was also being truthful. To be honest, she sounds likes she is suffering from a mental illness, and I honestly do pity her. There are plenty of con artists such as car dealers that are considered socially acceptable so I don't know why this girl is getting singled out. If she convinces one of you to give her money, I would say she deserves it for being such a good actress; chalk it up to an entertainment expense and stop whining.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * I was sort of joking, but I was also being truthful. To be honest, she sounds likes she is suffering from a mental illness, and I honestly do pity her. There are plenty of con artists such as car dealers that are considered socially acceptable so I don't know why this girl is getting singled out. If she convinces one of you to give her money, I would say she deserves it for being such a good actress; chalk it up to an entertainment expense and stop whining. -SM</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-23 00:23:09ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 56: </td> <td> Line 56: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I was sort of joking, but I was also being truthful. To be honest, she sounds likes she is suffering from a mental illness, and I honestly do pity her. There are plenty of con artists such as car dealers that are considered socially acceptable so I don't know why this girl is getting singled out. If she convinces one of you to give her money, I would say she deserves it for being such a good actress; chalk it up to an entertainment expense and stop whining.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 23:39:12EBT(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 12: </td> <td> Line 12: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Note: If you see her roping someone in, be careful when warning the victims away. She has been known to follow people who do this for blocks, shouting at them and threatening them. </td> <td> <span>+</span> <span>'''</span>Note:<span>'''</span> If you see her roping someone in, be careful when warning the victims away. She has been known to follow people who do this for blocks, shouting at them and threatening them. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 23:37:21JoePomidor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 55: </td> <td> Line 55: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I can't tell if you're being serious or making an outrageous joke... I generally have the same problem with Sarah Palin...--["Users/JoePomidor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 23:35:28StevenDaubert(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 43: </td> <td> Line 43: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * Yeah David, that seems like a solid approach, it was the one I came up with using the power of hindsight, but alas you have the same idea<span>!</span> ["Daubert" </td> <td> <span>+</span> * Yeah David, that seems like a solid approach, it was the one I came up with using the power of hindsight, but alas you have the same idea<span>...</span> ["Daubert"<span>]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 23:34:25StevenDaubertreply to Mr. Grundler <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 42: </td> <td> Line 42: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * Absolutely a great idea, when you are able to follow through on the offer. I'd do this more often if I were able to afford it myself, although I have given away leftovers several times and once or twice a full sandwich. -["users/edwins" ES] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * Absolutely a great idea, when you are able to follow through on the offer. I'd do this more often if I were able to afford it myself, although I have given away leftovers several times and once or twice a full sandwich. -["users/edwins" ES<span>"</span>]<span><br> + * Yeah David, that seems like a solid approach, it was the one I came up with using the power of hindsight, but alas you have the same idea! ["Daubert"</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 22:46:56LeeYComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 54: </td> <td> Line 54: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-03-22 22:46:56'' [[nbsp]] She is targeting parents with kids too with her sob stories, yes - got another report from friend :( --["Users/LeeY"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 22:44:56LeeY <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Sightings:''' ["Downtown"] corners, West Davis Nugget Market, Co-op, South Davis ["Safeway"], ["University Mall" U-Mall] Bank of America </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Sightings:''' ["Downtown"] corners, West Davis Nugget Market, Co-op, South Davis ["Safeway"], ["University Mall" U-Mall] Bank of America<span>, ["Target"] Parking Lot</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 22:11:50ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 53: </td> <td> Line 53: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2010-03-22 22:07:15'' [[nbsp]] Sounds like a pretty cool con artist. I hope she snags a lot of money; I'm sure she's had a hard <span>of </span>life. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2010-03-22 22:07:15'' [[nbsp]] Sounds like a pretty cool con artist. I hope she snags a lot of money; I'm sure she's had a hard life. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 22:07:15ScottMeehleibComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 52: </td> <td> Line 52: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-03-22 22:07:15'' [[nbsp]] Sounds like a pretty cool con artist. I hope she snags a lot of money; I'm sure she's had a hard of life. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 20:52:15EBT(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 14: </td> <td> Line 14: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''Example: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krg5r6n0kr4 You<span>t</span>ube video] of a news team following some panhandlers, including a <span>"stranded teenage girl". </span> Some of these scamming panhandlers are relatively successful, estimated to earn up to 50/h<span>ou</span>r and may just be local kids/teenagers.'' </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''Example: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krg5r6n0kr4 You<span>T</span>ube video] of a news team following some panhandlers, including a <span>“stranded” teenage girl.</span> Some of these scamming panhandlers are relatively successful, estimated to earn up to <span>$</span>50/hr and may just be local kids/teenagers.'' </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 20:37:08WilliamLewis <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 16: </td> <td> Line 16: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ [[include(photorequest)]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 20:33:56LeeYremembered better what was actually said <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 43: </td> <td> Line 43: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2010-03-22 16:50:18'' [[nbsp]] Oh No! I was at University Mall Bank of America ATM I think last month and was scammed $5 by this girl!!! She was crying (real tears I thought I saw) that her boyfriend <span>d</span>u<span>mped her and she needed money</span> for a motel stay. I was with my kids so I didn't bother to offer any help beside the $5 :( Thanks so much for this page - this needs to go into the Enterprise and reported to the police!! --["Users/LeeY"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2010-03-22 16:50:18'' [[nbsp]] Oh No! I was at University Mall Bank of America ATM I think last month and was scammed $5 by this girl!!! She was crying (real tears I thought I saw) that <span>"she and </span>her boyfriend <span>had a h</span>u<span>ge fight", she was chased out of the apartment and she needed $35</span> for a motel stay. I was with my kids so I didn't bother to offer any help beside the $5 :( Thanks so much for this page - this needs to go into the Enterprise and reported to the police!! --["Users/LeeY"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 20:29:08WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 50: </td> <td> Line 50: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * There is actually penal code right on point. pc §532(d)(a). Note that the primary meaning of eleemosynary relates to alms, or giving money to the poor. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 20:27:35LeeYmore description <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 46: </td> <td> Line 46: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * The description "dark haired girl, dyed hair reddish blond, heavy, tear-smeared make-up, aged approximately 16 to 20" above was very accurate, I recognized her immediately. Also add "smoky eye makeup" and somewhat skimpy (not too skimpy) clothing.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 20:17:23EdWins <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 48: </td> <td> Line 48: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * ''Fraud's a bit lofty. How about ["Davis Municipal Code/26.01.010"]?''</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * ''Fraud's a bit lofty. How about ["Davis Municipal Code/26.01.010"]?'' More seriously though, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging#Aggressive_panhandling "aggressive panhandling"] is illegal in Sacramento. I don't know whether it is in Yolo County or in Davis. Near the ATM and emotional sales pitches are on the list of nono's for cities that try to curb aggressive panhandlers.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 20:14:31EdWins <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 41: </td> <td> Line 41: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Absolutely a great idea, when you are able to follow through on the offer. I'd do this more often if I were able to afford it myself, although I have given away leftovers several times and once or twice a full sandwich. -["users/edwins" ES]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 47: </td> <td> Line 48: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * ''Fraud's a bit lofty. How about ["Davis Municipal Code/26.01.010"]?''</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 19:06:51CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 39: </td> <td> Line 39: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * That actually sounds like a great idea. Amazing how rarely we think of the simplest solutions... ["Users/WesOne"] </td> <td> <span>+ </span> * That actually sounds like a great idea. Amazing how rarely we think of the simplest solutions... ["Users/WesOne"]<span><br> + * It is a great idea. And I once bought a drink, sandwich, and chips for a guy hanging out at a grocery store, asking for money. Although he no doubt would have preferred the money, he did seem grateful for the food. --cp</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 18:31:33WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 45: </td> <td> Line 45: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * ''Fraud?''</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 18:29:29JimStewart <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 44: </td> <td> Line 44: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * What, exactly would you arrest her for? It's not illegal to lie or to beg. The downside would be her suing you, possibly with help from some homeless/civil rights advocate. --["users/jimstewart"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 18:03:14EBT(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Sightings:''' Downtown corners, West Davis Nugget Market, Co-op, South Davis Safeway, U-Mall Bank of America </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Sightings:''' <span>["</span>Downtown<span>"]</span> corners, West Davis Nugget Market, Co-op, South Davis <span>["</span>Safeway<span>"]</span>,<span>&nbsp;["University Mall"</span> U-Mall<span>]</span> Bank of America </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 18:01:16EBT(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Sightings:''' Downtown corners, West Davis Nugget Market, Co-op, South Davis Safeway </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Sightings:''' Downtown corners, West Davis Nugget Market, Co-op, South Davis Safeway<span>, U-Mall Bank of America</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 17:18:39EdwardNiemand(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 43: </td> <td> Line 43: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2010-03-22 17:17:46'' [[nbsp]] If one of you guys could post a better description, I would appreciate it. I only saw her once or twice in the dark. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2010-03-22 17:17:46'' [[nbsp]] If one of you guys could post a better description, I would appreciate it. I only saw her once or twice in the dark. <span>The only way to get this girl, I think, is to get scammed by her and then immediately place her under citizen's arrest and call the cops. The police are doing nothing. I can see that ending badly in many, many different ways, though. </span>--["Users/EdwardNiemand"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 17:17:46EdwardNiemandComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 42: </td> <td> Line 42: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-03-22 17:17:46'' [[nbsp]] If one of you guys could post a better description, I would appreciate it. I only saw her once or twice in the dark. --["Users/EdwardNiemand"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 16:54:30LeeY <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 41: </td> <td> Line 41: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2010-03-22 16:50:18'' [[nbsp]] Oh No! I was at University Mall Bank of America ATM I think last month and was scammed $5 by this girl!!! She was crying (real tears I thought I saw) that her boyfriend dumped her and she needed money for a motel stay. I was with my kids so I didn't bother to offer any help :( Thanks so much for this page - this needs to go into the Enterprise and reported to the police!! --["Users/LeeY"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2010-03-22 16:50:18'' [[nbsp]] Oh No! I was at University Mall Bank of America ATM I think last month and was scammed $5 by this girl!!! She was crying (real tears I thought I saw) that her boyfriend dumped her and she needed money for a motel stay. I was with my kids so I didn't bother to offer any help <span>beside the $5 </span>:( Thanks so much for this page - this needs to go into the Enterprise and reported to the police!! --["Users/LeeY"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 16:52:43LeeY <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 41: </td> <td> Line 41: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2010-03-22 16:50:18'' [[nbsp]] Oh No! I was at University Mall Bank of America ATM I think last month and was scammed $5 by this girl!!! She was crying (real tears I thought I saw) that her boyfriend dumped her and she needed money for a motel stay. I was with my kids so I didn't bother to offer any help :( Thanks so much for this page - this needs to go into the Enterprise!! --["Users/LeeY"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2010-03-22 16:50:18'' [[nbsp]] Oh No! I was at University Mall Bank of America ATM I think last month and was scammed $5 by this girl!!! She was crying (real tears I thought I saw) that her boyfriend dumped her and she needed money for a motel stay. I was with my kids so I didn't bother to offer any help :( Thanks so much for this page - this needs to go into the Enterprise<span>&nbsp;and reported to the police</span>!! --["Users/LeeY"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 16:50:18LeeYComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 40: </td> <td> Line 40: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-03-22 16:50:18'' [[nbsp]] Oh No! I was at University Mall Bank of America ATM I think last month and was scammed $5 by this girl!!! She was crying (real tears I thought I saw) that her boyfriend dumped her and she needed money for a motel stay. I was with my kids so I didn't bother to offer any help :( Thanks so much for this page - this needs to go into the Enterprise!! --["Users/LeeY"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 16:42:11EdWins <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 13: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + ''Example: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krg5r6n0kr4 Youtube video] of a news team following some panhandlers, including a "stranded teenage girl". Some of these scamming panhandlers are relatively successful, estimated to earn up to 50/hour and may just be local kids/teenagers.''</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 14:25:13WesOne <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 36: </td> <td> Line 36: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + * That actually sounds like a great idea. Amazing how rarely we think of the simplest solutions... ["Users/WesOne"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 13:54:53DavidGrundlerSpelling <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 35: </td> <td> Line 35: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2010-03-22 13:53:53'' [[nbsp]] I have found that the easiest way to tell if these people are legit is to offer the<span>n</span> the specific help they ask for. If they say they need money for a train ticket, I offer to buy them a train ticket. If they say they need money for gas, I offer to pay for their gas. If they say they need money for food because they are starving, when I am coming out of the grocery store, I offer them a loaf of bread. They usually get indignant and try to come up with some lame excuse of why that won't help them. One guy who claimed to be starving actually turned down a loaf of bread. Anyway, in all of the time I have used this approach, I have only come across one person in need of what they were asking for. --["Users/DavidGrundler"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2010-03-22 13:53:53'' [[nbsp]] I have found that the easiest way to tell if these people are legit is to offer the<span>m</span> the specific help they ask for. If they say they need money for a train ticket, I offer to buy them a train ticket. If they say they need money for gas, I offer to pay for their gas. If they say they need money for food because they are starving, when I am coming out of the grocery store, I offer them a loaf of bread. They usually get indignant and try to come up with some lame excuse of why that won't help them. One guy who claimed to be starving actually turned down a loaf of bread. Anyway, in all of the time I have used this approach, I have only come across one person in need of what they were asking for. --["Users/DavidGrundler"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 13:53:53DavidGrundlerComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 34: </td> <td> Line 34: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-03-22 13:53:53'' [[nbsp]] I have found that the easiest way to tell if these people are legit is to offer then the specific help they ask for. If they say they need money for a train ticket, I offer to buy them a train ticket. If they say they need money for gas, I offer to pay for their gas. If they say they need money for food because they are starving, when I am coming out of the grocery store, I offer them a loaf of bread. They usually get indignant and try to come up with some lame excuse of why that won't help them. One guy who claimed to be starving actually turned down a loaf of bread. Anyway, in all of the time I have used this approach, I have only come across one person in need of what they were asking for. --["Users/DavidGrundler"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 12:56:27SimonFung <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ I ran into before where a woman in SF asked if I had money for gas. I told her gas station take credit card and she said she did not have one and yeah she was well dress and did not look homeless. Con artist probably think of all the answers to questions like mine to get money. --["SimonFung"]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 11:51:12hankimSeems like people would like to use it. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 15: </td> <td> Line 15: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ----</span> </td> <td> <span>+ [[Comments]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 10:19:30EdWinscome on han <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 32: </td> <td> Line 32: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * Offer her a drink with a roofie in it. --["Users/hankim"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 10:03:38hankim(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 32: </td> <td> Line 32: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Offer her a drink with a roofie in it. --["Users/hankim"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 10:01:00EBT(comment added) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 21: </td> <td> Line 21: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Tried to hit me up on the corner of 3rd and F. Had a female partner with her trying to get $35.00 for train fare to San Diego saying she had just recently been kicked out her home by her live-in Boyfriend. Sad really that this is somehow becoming a lifestyle for her and that she has somehow convinced her friend to help her do it now. Hair was reddish Blonde and her friend was brunette. Both appear to be aroun16 or 17 years old. ["WesOne"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> Tried to hit me up on the corner of 3rd and F. Had a female partner with her trying to get $35.00 for train fare to San Diego saying she had just recently been kicked out her home by her live-in Boyfriend. Sad really that this is somehow becoming a lifestyle for her and that she has somehow convinced her friend to help her do it now. Hair was reddish Blonde and her friend was brunette. Both appear to be aroun16 or 17 years old. <span>--</span>["<span>Users/</span>WesOne"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 23: </td> <td> Line 23: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Yeah she had reddish blonde hair when I saw her, it was also around 3rd and F. --["Daubert"] </td> <td> <span>+ </span> Yeah she had reddish blonde hair when I saw her, it was also around 3rd and F. --["Daubert"]<span><br> + <br> + ----</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 26: </td> <td> Line 28: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + ----<br> + <br> + Couldn’t someone just shove her into their car trunk and deliver her to the police or something? I’d volunteer for this community cleanup operation, but I would need a car first (and also figure out what I would do if she starts screaming “rape”). --["Users/EBT"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 08:07:49KellyM <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 24: </td> <td> Line 24: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + Shouldn't this just be "any girl who isn't homeless and is pretending to be stranded"? There are so many variations of this (gas, bus, train) in every city and not all of them cry. They just say something like, "omg, please do you have $10 for gas? My car is parked up the street and I just dropped my boyfriend off at the airport and I'm totally out of gas." As if a girl who looks like she just walked out of a GAP catalog wouldn't have a credit card. --["Users/KellyM"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 02:03:18StevenDaubert <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 22: </td> <td> Line 22: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + Yeah she had reddish blonde hair when I saw her, it was also around 3rd and F. --["Daubert"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 00:01:33WesOne <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 21: </td> <td> Line 21: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Tried to hit me up on the corner of 3rd and F. Had a female partner with her trying to get $35.00 for train fare to San Diego saying she had just recently been kicked out her home by her live-in Boyfriend. Sad really that this is somehow becoming a lifestyle for her and that she has somehow convinced her friend to help her do it now. Hair was reddish Blonde and her friend was brunette. Both appear to be aroun16 or 17 years old. ["Wes<span>o</span>ne"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> Tried to hit me up on the corner of 3rd and F. Had a female partner with her trying to get $35.00 for train fare to San Diego saying she had just recently been kicked out her home by her live-in Boyfriend. Sad really that this is somehow becoming a lifestyle for her and that she has somehow convinced her friend to help her do it now. Hair was reddish Blonde and her friend was brunette. Both appear to be aroun16 or 17 years old. ["Wes<span>O</span>ne"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 00:01:18WesOne <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 21: </td> <td> Line 21: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Tried to hit me up on the corner of 3rd and F. Had a female partner with her trying to get $35.00 for train fare to San Diego saying she had just recently been kicked out her home by her live-in Boyfriend. Sad really that this is somehow becoming a lifestyle for her and that she has somehow convinced her friend to help her do it now. Hair was reddish Blonde and her friend was brunette. Both appear to be aroun16 or 17 years old. ["<span>w</span>esone"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> Tried to hit me up on the corner of 3rd and F. Had a female partner with her trying to get $35.00 for train fare to San Diego saying she had just recently been kicked out her home by her live-in Boyfriend. Sad really that this is somehow becoming a lifestyle for her and that she has somehow convinced her friend to help her do it now. Hair was reddish Blonde and her friend was brunette. Both appear to be aroun16 or 17 years old. ["<span>W</span>esone"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-22 00:00:55WesOne <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 18: </td> <td> Line 18: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + ----<br> + <br> + Tried to hit me up on the corner of 3rd and F. Had a female partner with her trying to get $35.00 for train fare to San Diego saying she had just recently been kicked out her home by her live-in Boyfriend. Sad really that this is somehow becoming a lifestyle for her and that she has somehow convinced her friend to help her do it now. Hair was reddish Blonde and her friend was brunette. Both appear to be aroun16 or 17 years old. ["wesone"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-21 23:04:33StevenDaubertoh really? <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 13: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + <br> + ----<br> + <br> + So it would appear that I've talked to this girl... She said she was from San Diego and her mother stranded her, she needed 37 bucks for an amtrak ticket, but she already had the ticket slip which meant that she rode the train one way already. I was at an ATM at the time so I found it weird, things weren't adding up. She had just gotten off the phone and was crying as well. Funny now I see a page, ["Daubert"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-21 22:47:45EdwardNiemand <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 10: </td> <td> Line 10: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a dark haired girl who has d<span>i</span>ed her hair reddish blond who sometimes wears heavy, tear-smeared make-up and who is aged approximately 16 to 20. She frequents the downtown area during the evenings and grocery stores during the day. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy. Reportedly, she has also very recently begun telling people a new story wherein she purports to be homeless. </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a dark haired girl who has d<span>y</span>ed her hair reddish blond who sometimes wears heavy, tear-smeared make-up and who is aged approximately 16 to 20. She frequents the downtown area during the evenings and grocery stores during the day. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy. Reportedly, she has also very recently begun telling people a new story wherein she purports to be homeless. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-21 22:47:31EdwardNiemand <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 10: </td> <td> Line 10: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a blond<span>, heavy-set girl who</span> wears heavy, tear-smeared make-up and who is aged approximately 16 to 20. She frequents the downtown area during the evenings and grocery stores during the day. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy. Reportedly, she has also very recently begun telling people a new story wherein she purports to be homeless. </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a <span>dark haired girl who has died her hair reddish </span>blond<span>&nbsp;who sometimes</span> wears heavy, tear-smeared make-up and who is aged approximately 16 to 20. She frequents the downtown area during the evenings and grocery stores during the day. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy. Reportedly, she has also very recently begun telling people a new story wherein she purports to be homeless. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-21 07:05:29EdwardNiemand <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 11: </td> <td> Line 11: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + Note: If you see her roping someone in, be careful when warning the victims away. She has been known to follow people who do this for blocks, shouting at them and threatening them.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-20 18:18:31EdwardNiemand <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 8: </td> <td> Line 8: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Seen:''' 2010 </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Seen:''' <span>March </span>2010 </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-20 18:05:43EdwardNiemand <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 10: </td> <td> Line 10: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a blond, heavy-set girl who wears heavy, tear-smeared make-up and who is aged approximately 16 to 20. She frequents the downtown area during the evenings and grocery stores during the day. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy. Reportedly, she has also very recently begun telling people <span>some story related to the fact that she is</span> homeless. </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a blond, heavy-set girl who wears heavy, tear-smeared make-up and who is aged approximately 16 to 20. She frequents the downtown area during the evenings and grocery stores during the day. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy. Reportedly, she has also very recently begun telling people <span>a new story wherein she purports to be</span> homeless. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-20 18:05:01EdwardNiemand <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 10: </td> <td> Line 10: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a blond, heavy-set girl who wears heavy, tear-smeared make-up and who is aged approximately 16 to 20. She frequents the downtown area during the evenings and grocery stores during the day. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy. </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a blond, heavy-set girl who wears heavy, tear-smeared make-up and who is aged approximately 16 to 20. She frequents the downtown area during the evenings and grocery stores during the day. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy.<span>&nbsp;Reportedly, she has also very recently begun telling people some story related to the fact that she is homeless.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-20 17:37:00JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> -</span> Some people use fictional stories to take advantage of helpful people. Here are some local '''Con Artists'''. </td> <td> <span>+</span> Some people use fictional stories to take advantage of helpful people. Here are some local '''Con Artists'''.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;Be careful before adding people into this list, as there are genuine people in need.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-20 17:34:16JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 10: </td> <td> Line 9: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ '''Seen:''' 2010<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Con Artistshttp://daviswiki.org/Con_Artists2010-03-20 17:33:50JabberWokkyRenamed from "crying girl" (Trying to make it longer term and more general.) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Con Artists<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + <br> + Some people use fictional stories to take advantage of helpful people. Here are some local '''Con Artists'''.<br> + <br> + <br> + =Crying Girl with a Train Schedule=<br> + <br> + '''Sightings:''' Downtown corners, West Davis Nugget Market, Co-op, South Davis Safeway<br> + <br> + '''Scam:''' The "crying girl" is a particularly prolific and notorious scammer who has recently started victimizing citizens in Davis. She is a blond, heavy-set girl who wears heavy, tear-smeared make-up and who is aged approximately 16 to 20. She frequents the downtown area during the evenings and grocery stores during the day. Her general approach is to stare into the middle distance while clutching a train schedule, and to appear to be on the verge of tears and/or sobbing while asking rhetorical questions to herself about the desperation of her situation to attract the attention of passersby. If she attracts someone's attention, she will proceed to cry and then alternate between one of two stories depending on the age and gender of her mark, one involving her mother stranding her in Davis and another involving her boyfriend dumping her and then stranding her in Davis. The amount requested for "train tickets" will generally be around $40 dollars, give or take a few dollars to lend legitimacy.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div>