Recent Changes for "Davis Students Against War" - Davis Wiki

Davis Students Against War

SaulSugarman — 2009-02-25 08:12:27

Name to initials.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 26:	Line 26:
- ''2005-12-17 14:23:14'' [[nbsp]] I think people forget how interconnected things really are. I highly doubt that if we kept the military off campuses, we would be asked for tons of money. The UCs are kind of a major draw for California. I don't think the CA government wants to be known as the people who took a big fat poop on their own university system (since they already get blamed for that for gradeschool). --["Users/SaulSugarman"]	+ ''2005-12-17 14:23:14'' [[nbsp]] I think people forget how interconnected things really are. I highly doubt that if we kept the military off campuses, we would be asked for tons of money. The UCs are kind of a major draw for California. I don't think the CA government wants to be known as the people who took a big fat poop on their own university system (since they already get blamed for that for gradeschool). --SS

Davis Students Against War

JasonAller — 2008-07-10 12:54:41

link fixes

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 12:	Line 12:
- - -
Line 19:	Line 16:
- Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place.'' -["FirstsaddamLasthussein"]	+ Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place.'' -["Users/FirstsaddamLasthussein"]
Line 21:	Line 18:
- ''2005-12-16 22:42:59'' [[nbsp]] We've all heard this assertion before, but it relies on an oversimple notion of free will: e.g., "Free will is constant. It doesn't matter if you're born with half a brain or if you're raised in a slum, and therefore you have the same freedom as everyone else--so stop whining about how tough the world is and start exercising your inviolable freedom of choice!" Such a position relies on historicism and argument from authority. This is to stand on crumbling ground, and there is no way out. ‘Tis the [http://www.peirce.org/writings/p107.html Fixation of Belief]. --["ZacharyNorwood"]	+ ''2005-12-16 22:42:59'' [[nbsp]] We've all heard this assertion before, but it relies on an oversimple notion of free will: e.g., "Free will is constant. It doesn't matter if you're born with half a brain or if you're raised in a slum, and therefore you have the same freedom as everyone else--so stop whining about how tough the world is and start exercising your inviolable freedom of choice!" Such a position relies on historicism and argument from authority. This is to stand on crumbling ground, and there is no way out. ‘Tis the [http://www.peirce.org/writings/p107.html Fixation of Belief]. --["Users/ZacharyNorwood"]
Line 23:	Line 20:
- ''2005-12-17 12:58:09'' [[nbsp]] FirstsaddamLasthussein, could you please visit the ["Wiki Ethics"] page? Page content is meant for reasonably objective material. Leave your comments below the comment line and try to play nice. ["CraigBrozinsky"]	+ ''2005-12-17 12:58:09'' [[nbsp]] FirstsaddamLasthussein, could you please visit the ["Wiki Ethics"] page? Page content is meant for reasonably objective material. Leave your comments below the comment line and try to play nice. ["Users/CraigBrozinsky"]
Line 25:	Line 22:
- ''2005-12-17 13:23:45'' [[nbsp]] Actually, the problem is that Mr. Anon's comments have nothing to do with Davis Students Against War. They have to do with the stuff DSAW talks about, but nothing to do with the group itself. If I could integrate the comments into the entry, I would. As it is, the comments don't really belong here... they belong on a Wikipedia page or blog. --["JabberWokky"]	+ ''2005-12-17 13:23:45'' [[nbsp]] Actually, the problem is that Mr. Anon's comments have nothing to do with Davis Students Against War. They have to do with the stuff DSAW talks about, but nothing to do with the group itself. If I could integrate the comments into the entry, I would. As it is, the comments don't really belong here... they belong on a Wikipedia page or blog. --["Users/JabberWokky"]
Line 27:	Line 24:
- ''2005-12-17 13:36:45'' [[nbsp]] I wasn't sure what to do with the comments, they were too entertaining to delete so quickly...gave me a laugh while studying last night. --["JamesSchwab"]	+ ''2005-12-17 13:36:45'' [[nbsp]] I wasn't sure what to do with the comments, they were too entertaining to delete so quickly...gave me a laugh while studying last night. --["Users/JamesSchwab"]
Line 29:	Line 26:
- ''2005-12-17 14:23:14'' [[nbsp]] I think people forget how interconnected things really are. I highly doubt that if we kept the military off campuses, we would be asked for tons of money. The UCs are kind of a major draw for California. I don't think the CA government wants to be known as the people who took a big fat poop on their own university system (since they already get blamed for that for gradeschool). --["SaulSugarman"]	+ ''2005-12-17 14:23:14'' [[nbsp]] I think people forget how interconnected things really are. I highly doubt that if we kept the military off campuses, we would be asked for tons of money. The UCs are kind of a major draw for California. I don't think the CA government wants to be known as the people who took a big fat poop on their own university system (since they already get blamed for that for gradeschool). --["Users/SaulSugarman"]
Line 31:	Line 28:
- ''2005-12-17 18:48:54'' [[nbsp]] I highly doubt that there was a clause requiring "military presence" as a precondition for the land grant. Can FSLH prove it? Requiring payback is just laughably absurd. Also, how much money is in a ton? --["SteveDavison"]	+ ''2005-12-17 18:48:54'' [[nbsp]] I highly doubt that there was a clause requiring "military presence" as a precondition for the land grant. Can FSLH prove it? Requiring payback is just laughably absurd. Also, how much money is in a ton? --["Users/SteveDavison"]
Line 33:	Line 30:
- ''2005-12-18 01:29:47'' [[nbsp]] [http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/03/MNGA1CJ59P1.DTL An article]. Not the law itself, but mentions it several times. ''The U.S. Supreme Court agreed Monday to referee a campus clash between gay rights supporters and the Pentagon over a law that strips federal funding from colleges that refuse to treat military recruiters the same as other employers.'' --["Edwins" ES]	+ ''2005-12-18 01:29:47'' [[nbsp]] [http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/03/MNGA1CJ59P1.DTL An article]. Not the law itself, but mentions it several times. ''The U.S. Supreme Court agreed Monday to referee a campus clash between gay rights supporters and the Pentagon over a law that strips federal funding from colleges that refuse to treat military recruiters the same as other employers.'' --["Users/Edwins" ES]
Line 35:	Line 32:
- ''2005-12-18 01:30:11'' [[nbsp]] Wait! Here it is: ''The law, known as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Amendment Solomon Amendment], denies virtually all federal funding to a university -- not just Defense Department contracts but also medical and scientific research funds and labor, transportation and Department of Education grants -- if any of its branches denies equal access and services to military recruiters. For UC, the penalties would run into the hundreds of millions of dollars.'' --["Edwins" ES]	+ ''2005-12-18 01:30:11'' [[nbsp]] Wait! Here it is: ''The law, known as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Amendment Solomon Amendment], denies virtually all federal funding to a university -- not just Defense Department contracts but also medical and scientific research funds and labor, transportation and Department of Education grants -- if any of its branches denies equal access and services to military recruiters. For UC, the penalties would run into the hundreds of millions of dollars.'' --["Users/Edwins" ES]
Line 37:	Line 34:
- ''2005-12-18 21:07:06'' [[nbsp]] Thank you Edwin, saved me a head ache. --["FirstsaddamLasthussein"]	+ ''2005-12-18 21:07:06'' [[nbsp]] Thank you Edwin, saved me a head ache. --["Users/FirstsaddamLasthussein"]
Line 39:	Line 36:
- ''2005-12-18 21:51:09'' [[nbsp]] Note that the Solomon Amendment is under dispute. See information about [http://www.law.georgetown.edu/solomon/index.html FAIR v. Rumsfeld]. --["BrentLaabs"] - * It is at dispute, but not about whether it's fair to deny funding, but because of the militarys stance on those openly homosexuals. I havn't looked too deeply into it, but at the surface it seems that they say what the recruiters represent breaks a lot of the anti-discrimination policies of school's anti-discriminaiton policies. That article I linked above from the chronicle has a lot more complete info. Is it only law schools? I'm curious what will come of it. As it stands, I don't really care about recruiters, but I do care about funding. --["EdWins" ES]	+ ''2005-12-18 21:51:09'' [[nbsp]] Note that the Solomon Amendment is under dispute. See information about [http://www.law.georgetown.edu/solomon/index.html FAIR v. Rumsfeld]. --["Users/BrentLaabs"] + * It is at dispute, but not about whether it's fair to deny funding, but because of the militarys stance on those openly homosexuals. I havn't looked too deeply into it, but at the surface it seems that they say what the recruiters represent breaks a lot of the anti-discrimination policies of school's anti-discriminaiton policies. That article I linked above from the chronicle has a lot more complete info. Is it only law schools? I'm curious what will come of it. As it stands, I don't really care about recruiters, but I do care about funding. --["Users/EdWins" ES]
Line 42:	Line 39:
- ''2005-12-19 23:47:56'' [[nbsp]] Just for the record, the "Solomon Amendment" was signed in 1996 and had/has '''nothing''' to do with land grants. --["SteveDavison"]	+ ''2005-12-19 23:47:56'' [[nbsp]] Just for the record, the "Solomon Amendment" was signed in 1996 and had/has '''nothing''' to do with land grants. --["Users/SteveDavison"]
Line 46:	Line 43:
- It is true that UC Davis is a land grant university, but I believe I am safe in assuming "FirstsaddamLasthussein" has never taken a course in such a subject (check out Lubell's class on public lands management, ESP172, I believe). The Solomon act was basically a punitive measure to stop a public outcry like that that occurred during Vietnam to hurt recruiting efforts (since an outright draft is no longer politically feasible, and for good reason). It has NOTHING to do with public land grants. It simply has to do with current federal funding. The Soloman Act was sadly upheld by the Supreme Court, and so the ASUCD resolution (which i wouldn't call a "current initiative" anymore, "past achievement" fits better) does not call explicitly for recruiters to be kicked off campus. --["KarlDuesterberg"]	+ It is true that UC Davis is a land grant university, but I believe I am safe in assuming "FirstsaddamLasthussein" has never taken a course in such a subject (check out Lubell's class on public lands management, ESP172, I believe). The Solomon act was basically a punitive measure to stop a public outcry like that that occurred during Vietnam to hurt recruiting efforts (since an outright draft is no longer politically feasible, and for good reason). It has NOTHING to do with public land grants. It simply has to do with current federal funding. The Soloman Act was sadly upheld by the Supreme Court, and so the ASUCD resolution (which i wouldn't call a "current initiative" anymore, "past achievement" fits better) does not call explicitly for recruiters to be kicked off campus. --["Users/KarlDuesterberg"]
Line 48:	Line 45:
- ''2006-03-21 20:04:23'' [[nbsp]] It appears that the user known as ["HibiJibi"] wanted people to look at [http://www.pgpft.com/On_Sheep_Wolves_and_Sheepdogs-Grossman.htm an alternative viewpoint]. --["JasonAller"]	+ ''2006-03-21 20:04:23'' [[nbsp]] It appears that the user known as ["Users/HibiJibi"] wanted people to look at [http://www.pgpft.com/On_Sheep_Wolves_and_Sheepdogs-Grossman.htm an alternative viewpoint]. --["Users/JasonAller"]
Line 50:	Line 47:
- ''2006-11-14 13:48:32'' [[nbsp]] Land grant universities don't necessarily have to have recruiters, but they have to have ROTC programs. That is what is stipulated in the actual grant itself. though how rightful that is could still be brought up because ROTC programs also violate many anti discrimination laws in university policy. the issue isn't so much can we decide for ourselves whether to enter the military or not. the question is, does military recruitment belong on a college campus. --["PatrickHanners"]	+ ''2006-11-14 13:48:32'' [[nbsp]] Land grant universities don't necessarily have to have recruiters, but they have to have ROTC programs. That is what is stipulated in the actual grant itself. though how rightful that is could still be brought up because ROTC programs also violate many anti discrimination laws in university policy. the issue isn't so much can we decide for ourselves whether to enter the military or not. the question is, does military recruitment belong on a college campus. --["Users/PatrickHanners"]

Davis Students Against War

EdWins — 2007-06-27 22:56:12

link edit.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 33:	Line 33:
- ''2005-12-18 01:29:47'' [[nbsp]] [http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/03/MNGA1CJ59P1.DTL An article]. Not the law itself, but mentions it several times. ''The U.S. Supreme Court agreed Monday to referee a campus clash between gay rights supporters and the Pentagon over a law that strips federal funding from colleges that refuse to treat military recruiters the same as other employers.'' --["EdwinSaada"]	+ ''2005-12-18 01:29:47'' [[nbsp]] [http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/03/MNGA1CJ59P1.DTL An article]. Not the law itself, but mentions it several times. ''The U.S. Supreme Court agreed Monday to referee a campus clash between gay rights supporters and the Pentagon over a law that strips federal funding from colleges that refuse to treat military recruiters the same as other employers.'' --["Edwins" ES]
Line 35:	Line 35:
- ''2005-12-18 01:30:11'' [[nbsp]] Wait! Here it is: ''The law, known as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Amendment Solomon Amendment], denies virtually all federal funding to a university -- not just Defense Department contracts but also medical and scientific research funds and labor, transportation and Department of Education grants -- if any of its branches denies equal access and services to military recruiters. For UC, the penalties would run into the hundreds of millions of dollars.'' --["EdwinSaada"]	+ ''2005-12-18 01:30:11'' [[nbsp]] Wait! Here it is: ''The law, known as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Amendment Solomon Amendment], denies virtually all federal funding to a university -- not just Defense Department contracts but also medical and scientific research funds and labor, transportation and Department of Education grants -- if any of its branches denies equal access and services to military recruiters. For UC, the penalties would run into the hundreds of millions of dollars.'' --["Edwins" ES]
Line 40:	Line 40:
- * It is at dispute, but not about whether it's fair to deny funding, but because of the militarys stance on those openly homosexuals. I havn't looked too deeply into it, but at the surface it seems that they say what the recruiters represent breaks a lot of the anti-discrimination policies of school's anti-discriminaiton policies. That article I linked above from the chronicle has a lot more complete info. Is it only law schools? I'm curious what will come of it. As it stands, I don't really care about recruiters, but I do care about funding. --["EdwinSaada"]	+ * It is at dispute, but not about whether it's fair to deny funding, but because of the militarys stance on those openly homosexuals. I havn't looked too deeply into it, but at the surface it seems that they say what the recruiters represent breaks a lot of the anti-discrimination policies of school's anti-discriminaiton policies. That article I linked above from the chronicle has a lot more complete info. Is it only law schools? I'm curious what will come of it. As it stands, I don't really care about recruiters, but I do care about funding. --["EdWins" ES]

Davis Students Against War

KatieDavalos — 2007-03-07 22:18:35

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 3:	Line 3:
- '''Davis Students Against War''', or '''DSAW''' is a student effort to voice the youth's opposition to war, including current and future conflict. It is a network for the exchange of information in collaborative efforts by Davis youth. Davis Students Against War is a tool for the contact and coordination of peace efforts. We hope to inspire action in students and seek to create change through awareness. No one person or body represents DSAW and has no affiliations. It is part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization].	+ '''Davis Students Against War''', or '''DSAW''' is a student effort to voice the youth's opposition to war, including current and future conflict. It is part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization].
Line 5:	Line 5:
- Their protests against war include, but are not limited to: - * the impact on global environment - the misallocation of funds - the lack of citizen and foreign support - the economic disparities that are inflicted or manipulated by the wagers of war - the ignorance of global standards of human rights and peace - and specifically - the impact of war on students - the legality of the Iraq War and - *the misrepresentation of information by government and media sources	+ The group has not had any recent activity, and a new group has formed.
Line 16:	Line 7:
- Their forms of action to create change include petitions, rallies, protests, boycotts, walk-outs, days of silence, and guest speakers. - - DSAW encourages members to speak about their thoughts and share opinions both within the network and among their peers. the goal of DSAW is to proliferate information and discussion regarding war. All suggestions and help is encouraged and welcomed to further the cause. - - =Upcoming Event(s)= - Informational Meeting - Thursday March 8, 2007 - 5 p.m. - Outside of Griffin Lounge - Everyone Welcome!	+ The Davis Students Against War Resource is the new group formed in March of 2007 by Katie Davalos and Juliana Haber. To View their current activities check their wiki page, ["Davis Students Against War Resource"]

Davis Students Against War

DavidGrundler — 2007-03-07 22:18:08

Removed contact

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- \|\|<bgcolor='#E0E0FF'>'''Contact'''\|\| - \|\|[[Mailto(kedavalos AT ucdavis DOT edu)]]\|\|	+ This organization is now defunct, and has been succeeded by ["Davis Students Against War Resource"]

Davis Students Against War

DavidGrundler — 2007-03-07 22:13:24

Revert to version 70 (Reverting this page for historical purposes, and split off new org into a new pa).

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 4:	Line 4:
- '''Davis Students Against War''' resource, or '''DSAW''' is a student effort to voice the youth's opposition to war, including current and future conflict. It is a network for the exchange of information in collaborative efforts by Davis youth. Davis Students Against War is a tool for the contact and coordination of peace efforts. We hope to inspire action in students and seek to create change through awareness. No one person or body represents DSAW and has no affiliations. They are in the process of becoming an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. - - * ["Facebook"] - view the facebook group [http://ucdavis.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2246940574] - * ["Myspace"] - view the myspace group [http://groups.myspace.com/dsawresource] - - - *please note* - in the past there has been an organization referred to as the Davis Students Against War, under the leadership of Karl Duesterberg. That organization has since fallen out and become inactive. THIS PAGE is not in reference to the old DSAW, but will post their achievements. The Current DSAW was created in March of 2007 and is organized by Katie Davalos and Juliana Haber. The new organization refers to itself as the Davis Students Against War Resource, due to it's network-status. It does not identify as democratic or liberal. - *Thanks!*	+ '''Davis Students Against War''', or '''DSAW''' is a student effort to voice the youth's opposition to war, including current and future conflict. It is a network for the exchange of information in collaborative efforts by Davis youth. Davis Students Against War is a tool for the contact and coordination of peace efforts. We hope to inspire action in students and seek to create change through awareness. No one person or body represents DSAW and has no affiliations. It is part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization].
Line 27:	Line 19:
- DSAWR encourages members to speak about their thoughts and share opinions both within the network and among their peers. the goal of DSAW is to proliferate information and discussion regarding war. All suggestions and help is encouraged and welcomed to further the cause.	+ DSAW encourages members to speak about their thoughts and share opinions both within the network and among their peers. the goal of DSAW is to proliferate information and discussion regarding war. All suggestions and help is encouraged and welcomed to further the cause.
Line 37:	Line 29:
- - - The Original DSAW helped pass an anti-military recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"] during Fall 2005 ("An Associated Students of the University of California, Davis resolution asking the University of California, Davis administration to uphold the Principles of Community in regards to military recruitment at UC Davis," SR-08).	+ They helped pass an anti-military recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"] during Fall 2005 ("An Associated Students of the University of California, Davis resolution asking the University of California, Davis administration to uphold the Principles of Community in regards to military recruitment at UC Davis," SR-08).
Line 80:	Line 70:
- ------ - ''2007-03-07 17:31:23'' [[nbsp]] hey there everyone, the DSAW resource is reborn!! --["KatieDavalos"]

Davis Students Against War

KatieDavalos — 2007-03-07 17:50:40

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 7:	Line 7:
	+ * ["Myspace"] - view the myspace group [http://groups.myspace.com/dsawresource]

Davis Students Against War

KatieDavalos — 2007-03-07 17:48:04

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 5:	Line 5:
	+ + * ["Facebook"] - view the facebook group [http://ucdavis.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2246940574] +

Davis Students Against War

KatieDavalos — 2007-03-07 17:40:07

updates have now been made to the page, please contact me for questions!

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 4:	Line 4:
- '''Davis Students Against War''', or '''DSAW''' is a student effort to voice the youth's opposition to war, including current and future conflict. It is a network for the exchange of information in collaborative efforts by Davis youth. Davis Students Against War is a tool for the contact and coordination of peace efforts. We hope to inspire action in students and seek to create change through awareness. No one person or body represents DSAW and has no affiliations. It is part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization].	+ '''Davis Students Against War''' resource, or '''DSAW''' is a student effort to voice the youth's opposition to war, including current and future conflict. It is a network for the exchange of information in collaborative efforts by Davis youth. Davis Students Against War is a tool for the contact and coordination of peace efforts. We hope to inspire action in students and seek to create change through awareness. No one person or body represents DSAW and has no affiliations. They are in the process of becoming an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. + + *please note* + in the past there has been an organization referred to as the Davis Students Against War, under the leadership of Karl Duesterberg. That organization has since fallen out and become inactive. THIS PAGE is not in reference to the old DSAW, but will post their achievements. The Current DSAW was created in March of 2007 and is organized by Katie Davalos and Juliana Haber. The new organization refers to itself as the Davis Students Against War Resource, due to it's network-status. It does not identify as democratic or liberal. + *Thanks!*
Line 19:	Line 23:
- DSAW encourages members to speak about their thoughts and share opinions both within the network and among their peers. the goal of DSAW is to proliferate information and discussion regarding war. All suggestions and help is encouraged and welcomed to further the cause.	+ DSAWR encourages members to speak about their thoughts and share opinions both within the network and among their peers. the goal of DSAW is to proliferate information and discussion regarding war. All suggestions and help is encouraged and welcomed to further the cause.
Line 29:	Line 33:
- They helped pass an anti-military recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"] during Fall 2005 ("An Associated Students of the University of California, Davis resolution asking the University of California, Davis administration to uphold the Principles of Community in regards to military recruitment at UC Davis," SR-08).	+ + + The Original DSAW helped pass an anti-military recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"] during Fall 2005 ("An Associated Students of the University of California, Davis resolution asking the University of California, Davis administration to uphold the Principles of Community in regards to military recruitment at UC Davis," SR-08).
Line 71:	Line 77:
- ''2007-03-07 17:31:23'' [[nbsp]] ****hey there everyone, im afraid we've made a major mistake on the page! --["KatieDavalos"]	+ ''2007-03-07 17:31:23'' [[nbsp]] hey there everyone, the DSAW resource is reborn!! --["KatieDavalos"]

Davis Students Against War

KatieDavalos — 2007-03-07 17:31:23

Comment added.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 70:	Line 70:
	+ ------ + ''2007-03-07 17:31:23'' [[nbsp]] ****hey there everyone, im afraid we've made a major mistake on the page! --["KatieDavalos"]

Davis Students Against War

DavidGrundler — 2007-03-07 15:59:25

Let's keep this simple.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 6:	Line 6:
- Their protestations against war include but are not limited to:	+ Their protests against war include, but are not limited to:

Davis Students Against War

KarlMogel — 2007-03-07 15:19:32

protestion for >> protestation against

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 6:	Line 6:
- Their protestions for war include but are not limited to:	+ Their protestations against war include but are not limited to:

Davis Students Against War

JabberWokky — 2007-03-07 13:19:40

I fixed the spelling. I do wonder about their "protestations for war"

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 12:	Line 12:
- and specfically	+ and specifically
Line 17:	Line 17:
- Their forms of action to create change include petitions, rallies, protests, boycotts, walk-outs, days of silence, and guest spearks.	+ Their forms of action to create change include petitions, rallies, protests, boycotts, walk-outs, days of silence, and guest speakers.

Davis Students Against War

AlexandraKollantai — 2007-03-07 13:11:15

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 25:	Line 25:
- Griffin Lounge	+ Outside of Griffin Lounge

Davis Students Against War

AlexandraKollantai — 2007-03-07 13:10:41

updated everything

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 2:	Line 2:
- \|\|[[Mailto(karlduesterberg AT yahoo DOT com, Karl Duesterburg)]]\|\|	+ \|\|[[Mailto(kedavalos AT ucdavis DOT edu)]]\|\|
Line 4:	Line 4:
- '''Davis Students Against War''', or '''DSAW''' is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 6:00 on Thursday.	+ '''Davis Students Against War''', or '''DSAW''' is a student effort to voice the youth's opposition to war, including current and future conflict. It is a network for the exchange of information in collaborative efforts by Davis youth. Davis Students Against War is a tool for the contact and coordination of peace efforts. We hope to inspire action in students and seek to create change through awareness. No one person or body represents DSAW and has no affiliations. It is part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization].
Line 6:	Line 6:
	+ Their protestions for war include but are not limited to: + * the impact on global environment + the misallocation of funds + the lack of citizen and foreign support + the economic disparities that are inflicted or manipulated by the wagers of war + the ignorance of global standards of human rights and peace + and specfically + the impact of war on students + the legality of the Iraq War and + *the misrepresentation of information by government and media sources + + Their forms of action to create change include petitions, rallies, protests, boycotts, walk-outs, days of silence, and guest spearks. + + DSAW encourages members to speak about their thoughts and share opinions both within the network and among their peers. the goal of DSAW is to proliferate information and discussion regarding war. All suggestions and help is encouraged and welcomed to further the cause. + + =Upcoming Event(s)= + Informational Meeting + Thursday March 8, 2007 + 5 p.m. + Griffin Lounge + Everyone Welcome! + + =Past Event(s)/Achievements=
Line 8:	Line 31:
- Meetings used to be held at ["Cafe Roma"]. It is unknown where the meeting are currently held.	+

Davis Students Against War

JabberWokky — 2007-02-25 11:26:02

Forgot to close a table row.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 2:	Line 2:
- \|\|[[Mailto(karlduesterberg AT yahoo DOT com, Karl Duesterburg)]]	+ \|\|[[Mailto(karlduesterberg AT yahoo DOT com, Karl Duesterburg)]]\|\|

Davis Students Against War

JabberWokky — 2007-02-25 11:25:36

rewrite, ^int factual comments actually about DSAW (all one of them!).

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 6:00 on Thursday.	+ \|\|<bgcolor='#E0E0FF'>'''Contact'''\|\| + \|\|[[Mailto(karlduesterberg AT yahoo DOT com, Karl Duesterburg)]]
Line 3:	Line 4:
- They helped pass an anti-military recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"] during Fall 2005 ("An Associated Students of the University of California, Davis resolution asking the University of California, Davis administration to uphold the Principles of Community in regards to military recruitment at UC Davis," SR-08)	+ '''Davis Students Against War''', or '''DSAW''' is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 6:00 on Thursday.
Line 5:	Line 6:
- Interested students should contact Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.	+ They helped pass an anti-military recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"] during Fall 2005 ("An Associated Students of the University of California, Davis resolution asking the University of California, Davis administration to uphold the Principles of Community in regards to military recruitment at UC Davis," SR-08). + + Meetings used to be held at ["Cafe Roma"]. It is unknown where the meeting are currently held. +
Line 40:	Line 44:
- ''2006-01-13 23:29:36'' [[nbsp]] Where is DSAW now meeting, since you now aren't going to be at Cafe Roma? --["MaxMikalonis"] - ------ - ''2006-02-21 09:46:25'' [[nbsp]] We do not yet know where we're meeting once we become an official student organization, so it's cafe roma at six until further notice. --["KarlDuesterberg"] - ------

Davis Students Against War

JasonAller — 2007-02-24 23:30:23

fixed attribution

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 11:	Line 11:
- Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place.'' -["Firstsaddamlasthussien"]	+ Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place.'' -["FirstsaddamLasthussein"]
Line 15:	Line 15:
- ''2005-12-17 12:58:09'' [[nbsp]] Firstsaddamlasthussien, could you please visit the ["Wiki Ethics"] page? Page content is meant for reasonably objective material. Leave your comments below the comment line and try to play nice. ["CraigBrozinsky"]	+ ''2005-12-17 12:58:09'' [[nbsp]] FirstsaddamLasthussein, could you please visit the ["Wiki Ethics"] page? Page content is meant for reasonably objective material. Leave your comments below the comment line and try to play nice. ["CraigBrozinsky"]
Line 38:	Line 38:
- It is true that UC Davis is a land grant university, but I believe I am safe in assuming "Firstsaddamlasthussein" has never taken a course in such a subject (check out Lubell's class on public lands management, ESP172, I believe). The Solomon act was basically a punitive measure to stop a public outcry like that that occured during Vietnam to hurt recruiting efforts (since an outright draft is no longer politically feasable, and for good reason). It has NOTHING to do with public land grants. It simply has to do with current federal funding. The Soloman Act was sadly upheld by the Supreme Court, and so the ASUCD resolution (which i wouldn't call a "current initiative" anymore, "past achievement" fits better) does not call explicitly for recruiters to be kicked off campus. --["KarlDuesterberg"]	+ It is true that UC Davis is a land grant university, but I believe I am safe in assuming "FirstsaddamLasthussein" has never taken a course in such a subject (check out Lubell's class on public lands management, ESP172, I believe). The Solomon act was basically a punitive measure to stop a public outcry like that that occurred during Vietnam to hurt recruiting efforts (since an outright draft is no longer politically feasible, and for good reason). It has NOTHING to do with public land grants. It simply has to do with current federal funding. The Soloman Act was sadly upheld by the Supreme Court, and so the ASUCD resolution (which i wouldn't call a "current initiative" anymore, "past achievement" fits better) does not call explicitly for recruiters to be kicked off campus. --["KarlDuesterberg"]

Davis Students Against War

PatrickHanners — 2006-11-14 13:48:32

Comment added.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 45:	Line 45:
	+ ------ + ''2006-11-14 13:48:32'' [[nbsp]] Land grant universities don't necessarily have to have recruiters, but they have to have ROTC programs. That is what is stipulated in the actual grant itself. though how rightful that is could still be brought up because ROTC programs also violate many anti discrimination laws in university policy. the issue isn't so much can we decide for ourselves whether to enter the military or not. the question is, does military recruitment belong on a college campus. --["PatrickHanners"]

Davis Students Against War

PatrickHanners — 2006-11-14 13:45:33

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 45:	Line 45:
- - "2006-11-14" [[nbsp]] Land grant universities don't necissairly have to have recruiters, but they have to have ROTC programs. That is what is stipulated in the actual grant itself. though how rightful that is could still be brought up because ROTC programs also violate many anti discrimination laws in university policy]. --["PatrickHanners"]

Davis Students Against War

PatrickHanners — 2006-11-14 13:44:53

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 6:00 on Thursday.	+ DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 6:00 on Thursday.
Line 5:	Line 5:
- Interested students should contact Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.	+ Interested students should contact Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.
Line 45:	Line 45:
	+ + "2006-11-14" [[nbsp]] Land grant universities don't necissairly have to have recruiters, but they have to have ROTC programs. That is what is stipulated in the actual grant itself. though how rightful that is could still be brought up because ROTC programs also violate many anti discrimination laws in university policy]. --["PatrickHanners"]

Davis Students Against War

PhilipNeustrom — 2006-03-21 19:09:01

updated recruiter thing

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 3:	Line 3:
- Current initiatives include an anti-military recruiter bill for ["ASUCD"].	+ They helped pass an anti-military recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"] during Fall 2005 ("An Associated Students of the University of California, Davis resolution asking the University of California, Davis administration to uphold the Principles of Community in regards to military recruitment at UC Davis," SR-08)

Davis Students Against War

JasonAller — 2006-03-21 19:04:23

Comment added.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 43:	Line 43:
	+ ------ + ''2006-03-21 20:04:23'' [[nbsp]] It appears that the user known as ["HibiJibi"] wanted people to look at [http://www.pgpft.com/On_Sheep_Wolves_and_Sheepdogs-Grossman.htm an alternative viewpoint]. --["JasonAller"]

Davis Students Against War

JasonAller — 2006-03-21 19:01:29

Revert to version dated 2006-02-27 20:21:21.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://www.pgpft.com/On_Sheep_Wolves_and_Sheepdogs-Grossman.htm Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 6:00 on Thursday.	+ DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 6:00 on Thursday.

Davis Students Against War

HibiJibi — 2006-03-21 18:54:21

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://www.pgpft.com/On_Sheep_Wolves_and_Sheepdogs-Grossman.htm]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 6:00 on Thursday.	+ DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://www.pgpft.com/On_Sheep_Wolves_and_Sheepdogs-Grossman.htm Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 6:00 on Thursday.

Davis Students Against War

HibiJibi — 2006-03-21 18:50:43

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 6:00 on Thursday.	+ DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://www.pgpft.com/On_Sheep_Wolves_and_Sheepdogs-Grossman.htm]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 6:00 on Thursday.

Davis Students Against War

JamesSchwab — 2006-02-27 20:21:21

Revert to version dated 2006-02-21 08:46:25.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization].	+ DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 6:00 on Thursday.
Line 5:	Line 5:
- Interested students should contact '''K'''ewl '''K'''razy '''K'''arl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.	+ Interested students should contact Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. + + [[Comments]]
Line 9:	Line 11:
- Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters and military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place.'' - - [[Comments]] -	+ Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place.'' -["Firstsaddamlasthussien"]
Line 14:	Line 13:
- ''2005-12-16 22:42:59'' [[nbsp]] We've all heard this assertion before, but it relies on an oversimple notion of free will: e.g., "Free will is constant. It doesn't matter if you're born with half a brain or if you're raised in a slum, and therefore you have the same freedom as everyone else--so stop whining about how tough the world is and start exercising your inviolable freedom of choice!" Such a position relies on historicism and argument from authority. This is to stand on crumbling ground, and there is no way out. ‘Tis the [http://www.peirce.org/writings/p107.html Fixation of Belief]. --["ZacharyNorwood"] <-- Those who make it to a UC with half a brain are pretty incredible.	+ ''2005-12-16 22:42:59'' [[nbsp]] We've all heard this assertion before, but it relies on an oversimple notion of free will: e.g., "Free will is constant. It doesn't matter if you're born with half a brain or if you're raised in a slum, and therefore you have the same freedom as everyone else--so stop whining about how tough the world is and start exercising your inviolable freedom of choice!" Such a position relies on historicism and argument from authority. This is to stand on crumbling ground, and there is no way out. ‘Tis the [http://www.peirce.org/writings/p107.html Fixation of Belief]. --["ZacharyNorwood"]
Line 30:	Line 29:
	+ ''2005-12-18 21:07:06'' [[nbsp]] Thank you Edwin, saved me a head ache. --["FirstsaddamLasthussein"] + ------

Davis Students Against War

FirstsaddamLasthussein — 2006-02-27 19:56:51

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 6:00 on Thursday.	+ DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization].
Line 5:	Line 5:
- Interested students should contact Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.	+ Interested students should contact '''K'''ewl '''K'''razy '''K'''arl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. + + ''However, what they do not tell you is how the entire UC system acquired their land to teach to us college students the lessons and criteria that we are learning. The United States Federal Government gave the system the land in a form of a grant. Within that grant, there was a piece that said that the UC system can have this grant, if and only if the military can have its presence there. Guess what the UC system did? That's right, you're all smart cookies, they did accept it. So guess what, if the UC's try to eject the military presence they will have to pay back the entire grant that was given to them, and that my ladies and gents is a lot and I mean a lot of money. + + Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters and military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place.''
Line 9:	Line 13:
- ''However, what they do not tell you is how the entire UC system acquired their land to teach to us college students the lessons and criteria that we are learning. The United States Federal Government gave the system the land in a form of a grant. Within that grant, there was a piece that said that the UC system can have this grant, if and only if the military can have its presence there. Guess what the UC system did? That's right, you're all smart cookies, they did accept it. So guess what, if the UC's try to eject the military presence they will have to pay back the entire grant that was given to them, and that my ladies and gents is a lot and I mean a lot of money. - - Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place.'' -["Firstsaddamlasthussien"]
Line 13:	Line 14:
- ''2005-12-16 22:42:59'' [[nbsp]] We've all heard this assertion before, but it relies on an oversimple notion of free will: e.g., "Free will is constant. It doesn't matter if you're born with half a brain or if you're raised in a slum, and therefore you have the same freedom as everyone else--so stop whining about how tough the world is and start exercising your inviolable freedom of choice!" Such a position relies on historicism and argument from authority. This is to stand on crumbling ground, and there is no way out. ‘Tis the [http://www.peirce.org/writings/p107.html Fixation of Belief]. --["ZacharyNorwood"]	+ ''2005-12-16 22:42:59'' [[nbsp]] We've all heard this assertion before, but it relies on an oversimple notion of free will: e.g., "Free will is constant. It doesn't matter if you're born with half a brain or if you're raised in a slum, and therefore you have the same freedom as everyone else--so stop whining about how tough the world is and start exercising your inviolable freedom of choice!" Such a position relies on historicism and argument from authority. This is to stand on crumbling ground, and there is no way out. ‘Tis the [http://www.peirce.org/writings/p107.html Fixation of Belief]. --["ZacharyNorwood"] <-- Those who make it to a UC with half a brain are pretty incredible.
Line 29:	Line 30:
- ''2005-12-18 21:07:06'' [[nbsp]] Thank you Edwin, saved me a head ache. --["FirstsaddamLasthussein"] - ------

Davis Students Against War

KarlDuesterberg — 2006-02-21 08:46:25

Comment added.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 41:	Line 41:
	+ ------ + ''2006-02-21 09:46:25'' [[nbsp]] We do not yet know where we're meeting once we become an official student organization, so it's cafe roma at six until further notice. --["KarlDuesterberg"]

Davis Students Against War

MaxMikalonis — 2006-01-13 22:30:26

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 40:	Line 40:
- ''2006-01-13 23:29:36'' [[nbsp]] Where is DSAW now meeting, since you --["MaxMikalonis"]	+ ''2006-01-13 23:29:36'' [[nbsp]] Where is DSAW now meeting, since you now aren't going to be at Cafe Roma? --["MaxMikalonis"]

Davis Students Against War

MaxMikalonis — 2006-01-13 22:29:36

Comment added.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 39:	Line 39:
	+ ------ + ''2006-01-13 23:29:36'' [[nbsp]] Where is DSAW now meeting, since you --["MaxMikalonis"]

Davis Students Against War

ForgotIt — 2006-01-12 20:12:51

time change

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday.	+ DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 6:00 on Thursday.
Line 13:	Line 13:
- ''2005-12-16 22:42:59'' [[nbsp]] We've all heard this assertion before, but it relies on an oversimple notion of free will: e.g., "Free will is constant. It doesn't matter if you're born with half a brain or if you're raised in a slum, and therefore you have the same freedom as everyone else--so stop whining about how tough the world is and start exercising your inviolable freedom of choice!" Such a position relies on historicism and argument from authority. This is to stand on crumbling ground, and there is no way out. Tis the [http://www.peirce.org/writings/p107.html Fixation of Belief]. --["ZacharyNorwood"]	+ ''2005-12-16 22:42:59'' [[nbsp]] We've all heard this assertion before, but it relies on an oversimple notion of free will: e.g., "Free will is constant. It doesn't matter if you're born with half a brain or if you're raised in a slum, and therefore you have the same freedom as everyone else--so stop whining about how tough the world is and start exercising your inviolable freedom of choice!" Such a position relies on historicism and argument from authority. This is to stand on crumbling ground, and there is no way out. ‘Tis the [http://www.peirce.org/writings/p107.html Fixation of Belief]. --["ZacharyNorwood"]

Davis Students Against War

PhilipNeustrom — 2006-01-08 19:48:16

2 comments into 1

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 36:	Line 36:
- ''2006-01-08 20:33:13'' [[nbsp]] Hello all. As a founding member of DSAW and the originator of this article, I apologize for not seeing to clearing up some things until just now. DSAW's not primarily concerned with land grant issues in the UC, but with stopping all unjust wars around the world, the most egregious example that we can currently do something about being the war in Iraq. We oppose militarization at the cost of freedom, and believe that military recruitment on highschool and college campuses has such a cost as long as the poverty draft and "don't ask, don't tell" policies exist. --["KarlDuesterberg"] - ------ - ''2006-01-08 20:33:18'' [[nbsp]] It is true that UC Davis is a land grant university, but I believe I am safe in assuming "Firstsaddamlasthussein" has never taken a course in such a subject (check out Lubell's class on public lands management, ESP172, I believe). The Solomon act was basically a punitive measure to stop a public outcry like that that occured during Vietnam to hurt recruiting efforts (since an outright draft is no longer politically feasable, and for good reason). It has NOTHING to do with public land grants. It simply has to do with current federal funding. The Soloman Act was sadly upheld by the Supreme Court, and so the ASUCD resolution (which i wouldn't call a "current initiative" anymore, "past achievement" fits better) does not call explicitly for recruiters to be kicked off campus. --["KarlDuesterberg"] - ------ - ''2006-01-08 20:44:21'' [[nbsp]] It is true that UC Davis is a land grant university, but I believe I am safe in assuming "Firstsaddamlasthussein" has never taken a course in such a subject (check out Lubell's class on public lands management, ESP172, I believe). The Solomon act was basically a punitive measure to stop a public outcry like that that occured during Vietnam to hurt recruiting efforts (since an outright draft is no longer politically feasable, and for good reason). It has NOTHING to do with public land grants. It simply has to do with current federal funding. The Soloman Act was sadly upheld by the Supreme Court, and so the ASUCD resolution (which i wouldn't call a "current initiative" anymore, "past achievement" fits better) does not call explicitly for recruiters to be kicked off campus. --["KarlDuesterberg"]	+ ''2006-01-08 20:33:13'' [[nbsp]] Hello all. As a founding member of DSAW and the originator of this article, I apologize for not seeing to clearing up some things until just now. DSAW's not primarily concerned with land grant issues in the UC, but with stopping all unjust wars around the world, the most egregious example that we can currently do something about being the war in Iraq. We oppose militarization at the cost of freedom, and believe that military recruitment on highschool and college campuses has such a cost as long as the poverty draft and "don't ask, don't tell" policies exist. + + It is true that UC Davis is a land grant university, but I believe I am safe in assuming "Firstsaddamlasthussein" has never taken a course in such a subject (check out Lubell's class on public lands management, ESP172, I believe). The Solomon act was basically a punitive measure to stop a public outcry like that that occured during Vietnam to hurt recruiting efforts (since an outright draft is no longer politically feasable, and for good reason). It has NOTHING to do with public land grants. It simply has to do with current federal funding. The Soloman Act was sadly upheld by the Supreme Court, and so the ASUCD resolution (which i wouldn't call a "current initiative" anymore, "past achievement" fits better) does not call explicitly for recruiters to be kicked off campus. --["KarlDuesterberg"]

Davis Students Against War

KarlDuesterberg — 2006-01-08 19:44:21

Comment added.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 39:	Line 39:
	+ ------ + ''2006-01-08 20:44:21'' [[nbsp]] It is true that UC Davis is a land grant university, but I believe I am safe in assuming "Firstsaddamlasthussein" has never taken a course in such a subject (check out Lubell's class on public lands management, ESP172, I believe). The Solomon act was basically a punitive measure to stop a public outcry like that that occured during Vietnam to hurt recruiting efforts (since an outright draft is no longer politically feasable, and for good reason). It has NOTHING to do with public land grants. It simply has to do with current federal funding. The Soloman Act was sadly upheld by the Supreme Court, and so the ASUCD resolution (which i wouldn't call a "current initiative" anymore, "past achievement" fits better) does not call explicitly for recruiters to be kicked off campus. --["KarlDuesterberg"]

Davis Students Against War

KarlDuesterberg — 2006-01-08 19:33:18

Comment added.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 37:	Line 37:
	+ ------ + ''2006-01-08 20:33:18'' [[nbsp]] It is true that UC Davis is a land grant university, but I believe I am safe in assuming "Firstsaddamlasthussein" has never taken a course in such a subject (check out Lubell's class on public lands management, ESP172, I believe). The Solomon act was basically a punitive measure to stop a public outcry like that that occured during Vietnam to hurt recruiting efforts (since an outright draft is no longer politically feasable, and for good reason). It has NOTHING to do with public land grants. It simply has to do with current federal funding. The Soloman Act was sadly upheld by the Supreme Court, and so the ASUCD resolution (which i wouldn't call a "current initiative" anymore, "past achievement" fits better) does not call explicitly for recruiters to be kicked off campus. --["KarlDuesterberg"]

Davis Students Against War

KarlDuesterberg — 2006-01-08 19:33:13

Comment added.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 35:	Line 35:
	+ ------ + ''2006-01-08 20:33:13'' [[nbsp]] Hello all. As a founding member of DSAW and the originator of this article, I apologize for not seeing to clearing up some things until just now. DSAW's not primarily concerned with land grant issues in the UC, but with stopping all unjust wars around the world, the most egregious example that we can currently do something about being the war in Iraq. We oppose militarization at the cost of freedom, and believe that military recruitment on highschool and college campuses has such a cost as long as the poverty draft and "don't ask, don't tell" policies exist. --["KarlDuesterberg"]

Davis Students Against War

SteveDavison — 2005-12-19 22:47:56

Comment added.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 33:	Line 33:
	+ ------ + ''2005-12-19 23:47:56'' [[nbsp]] Just for the record, the "Solomon Amendment" was signed in 1996 and had/has '''nothing''' to do with land grants. --["SteveDavison"]

Davis Students Against War

EdwinSaada — 2005-12-18 23:57:17

wasnt done.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 32:	Line 32:
- ------ - ''2005-12-19 00:52:07'' [[nbsp]] It is at dispute, but not about whether it's fair to deny funding, but because of the militarys stance on those openly homosexuals. --["EdwinSaada"]	+ * It is at dispute, but not about whether it's fair to deny funding, but because of the militarys stance on those openly homosexuals. I havn't looked too deeply into it, but at the surface it seems that they say what the recruiters represent breaks a lot of the anti-discrimination policies of school's anti-discriminaiton policies. That article I linked above from the chronicle has a lot more complete info. Is it only law schools? I'm curious what will come of it. As it stands, I don't really care about recruiters, but I do care about funding. --["EdwinSaada"]

Davis Students Against War

EdwinSaada — 2005-12-18 23:52:07

Comment added.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 32:	Line 32:
	+ ------ + ''2005-12-19 00:52:07'' [[nbsp]] It is at dispute, but not about whether it's fair to deny funding, but because of the militarys stance on those openly homosexuals. --["EdwinSaada"]

Davis Students Against War

BrentLaabs — 2005-12-18 20:51:09

Comment added.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 30:	Line 30:
	+ ------ + ''2005-12-18 21:51:09'' [[nbsp]] Note that the Solomon Amendment is under dispute. See information about [http://www.law.georgetown.edu/solomon/index.html FAIR v. Rumsfeld]. --["BrentLaabs"]

Davis Students Against War

FirstsaddamLasthussein — 2005-12-18 20:07:06

Comment added.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 28:	Line 28:
	+ ------ + ''2005-12-18 21:07:06'' [[nbsp]] Thank you Edwin, saved me a head ache. --["FirstsaddamLasthussein"]

Davis Students Against War

JabberWokky — 2005-12-18 00:35:00

Linked Wikipedia. Still think this doesn't have to do with the group, but hey..

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 27:	Line 27:
- ''2005-12-18 01:30:11'' [[nbsp]] Wait! Here it is: ''The law, known as the Solomon Amendment, denies virtually all federal funding to a university -- not just Defense Department contracts but also medical and scientific research funds and labor, transportation and Department of Education grants -- if any of its branches denies equal access and services to military recruiters. For UC, the penalties would run into the hundreds of millions of dollars.'' --["EdwinSaada"]	+ ''2005-12-18 01:30:11'' [[nbsp]] Wait! Here it is: ''The law, known as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Amendment Solomon Amendment], denies virtually all federal funding to a university -- not just Defense Department contracts but also medical and scientific research funds and labor, transportation and Department of Education grants -- if any of its branches denies equal access and services to military recruiters. For UC, the penalties would run into the hundreds of millions of dollars.'' --["EdwinSaada"]

Davis Students Against War

EdwinSaada — 2005-12-18 00:30:11

Comment added.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 26:	Line 26:
	+ ------ + ''2005-12-18 01:30:11'' [[nbsp]] Wait! Here it is: ''The law, known as the Solomon Amendment, denies virtually all federal funding to a university -- not just Defense Department contracts but also medical and scientific research funds and labor, transportation and Department of Education grants -- if any of its branches denies equal access and services to military recruiters. For UC, the penalties would run into the hundreds of millions of dollars.'' --["EdwinSaada"]

Davis Students Against War

EdwinSaada — 2005-12-18 00:29:47

Comment added.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 24:	Line 24:
	+ ------ + ''2005-12-18 01:29:47'' [[nbsp]] [http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/03/MNGA1CJ59P1.DTL An article]. Not the law itself, but mentions it several times. ''The U.S. Supreme Court agreed Monday to referee a campus clash between gay rights supporters and the Pentagon over a law that strips federal funding from colleges that refuse to treat military recruiters the same as other employers.'' --["EdwinSaada"]

Davis Students Against War

SteveDavison — 2005-12-17 17:48:54

Comment added.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 22:	Line 22:
	+ ------ + ''2005-12-17 18:48:54'' [[nbsp]] I highly doubt that there was a clause requiring "military presence" as a precondition for the land grant. Can FSLH prove it? Requiring payback is just laughably absurd. Also, how much money is in a ton? --["SteveDavison"]

Davis Students Against War

SaulSugarman — 2005-12-17 13:23:14

Comment added.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 20:	Line 20:
	+ ------ + ''2005-12-17 14:23:14'' [[nbsp]] I think people forget how interconnected things really are. I highly doubt that if we kept the military off campuses, we would be asked for tons of money. The UCs are kind of a major draw for California. I don't think the CA government wants to be known as the people who took a big fat poop on their own university system (since they already get blamed for that for gradeschool). --["SaulSugarman"]

Davis Students Against War

JamesSchwab — 2005-12-17 12:36:45

Comment added.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 18:	Line 18:
	+ ------ + ''2005-12-17 13:36:45'' [[nbsp]] I wasn't sure what to do with the comments, they were too entertaining to delete so quickly...gave me a laugh while studying last night. --["JamesSchwab"]

Davis Students Against War

JabberWokky — 2005-12-17 12:23:45

Comment added.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 16:	Line 16:
	+ ------ + ''2005-12-17 13:23:45'' [[nbsp]] Actually, the problem is that Mr. Anon's comments have nothing to do with Davis Students Against War. They have to do with the stuff DSAW talks about, but nothing to do with the group itself. If I could integrate the comments into the entry, I would. As it is, the comments don't really belong here... they belong on a Wikipedia page or blog. --["JabberWokky"]

Davis Students Against War

ZacharyNorwood — 2005-12-17 12:13:54

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 13:	Line 13:
- ''2005-12-16 22:42:59'' [[nbsp]] We've all heard this assertion before, but it relies on an oversimple notion of free will: e.g., "Free will is constant. It doesn't matter if you're born with half a brain or if you're raised in a slum, so you have the same freedom as everyone else--so stop whining about how tough the world is and start exercise your inviolable freedom of choice!" Such a position relies on historicism and argument from authority. This is to stand on crumbling ground, and there is no way out. Tis the [http://www.peirce.org/writings/p107.html Fixation of Belief]. --["ZacharyNorwood"]	+ ''2005-12-16 22:42:59'' [[nbsp]] We've all heard this assertion before, but it relies on an oversimple notion of free will: e.g., "Free will is constant. It doesn't matter if you're born with half a brain or if you're raised in a slum, and therefore you have the same freedom as everyone else--so stop whining about how tough the world is and start exercising your inviolable freedom of choice!" Such a position relies on historicism and argument from authority. This is to stand on crumbling ground, and there is no way out. Tis the [http://www.peirce.org/writings/p107.html Fixation of Belief]. --["ZacharyNorwood"]

Davis Students Against War

ZacharyNorwood — 2005-12-17 12:12:56

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 13:	Line 13:
- ''2005-12-16 22:42:59'' [[nbsp]] We've all heard this assertion before, but it relies on an oversimple notion of free will: e.g., "Free will is constant. It doesn't matter if you're born with half a brain or if you're raised in a slum, you have the same freedom as everyone else--so stop whining about how tough the world is and start exercise your inviolable freedom of choice!" Such a position relies on historicism and argument from authority. This is to stand on crumbling ground, and there is no way out. Tis the [http://www.peirce.org/writings/p107.html Fixation of Belief]. --["ZacharyNorwood"]	+ ''2005-12-16 22:42:59'' [[nbsp]] We've all heard this assertion before, but it relies on an oversimple notion of free will: e.g., "Free will is constant. It doesn't matter if you're born with half a brain or if you're raised in a slum, so you have the same freedom as everyone else--so stop whining about how tough the world is and start exercise your inviolable freedom of choice!" Such a position relies on historicism and argument from authority. This is to stand on crumbling ground, and there is no way out. Tis the [http://www.peirce.org/writings/p107.html Fixation of Belief]. --["ZacharyNorwood"]

Davis Students Against War

ZacharyNorwood — 2005-12-17 12:11:56

wiki ethics applied

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 13:	Line 13:
- ''2005-12-16 22:42:59'' [[nbsp]] LMAO. "Hey, look at me! I read articles at some on line, right-wing think tank-- I don't know that, but don't tell me! I wont listen!--and, therefore, based on my infallible understanding of the world, I must be brilliant and all knowing! Free will is constant. It doesn't matter if you're born with half a brain or if you're raised in a slum, you have the same freedom as everyone else--so grow up and exercise your freedom of choice!" Sheesh, you'd think this clown would have at least one valid argument. Instead s/he relies on historicism and authority. This is to stand on crumbling ground, and there is no way out. Tis Fixation of Belief. --["ZacharyNorwood"]	+ ''2005-12-16 22:42:59'' [[nbsp]] We've all heard this assertion before, but it relies on an oversimple notion of free will: e.g., "Free will is constant. It doesn't matter if you're born with half a brain or if you're raised in a slum, you have the same freedom as everyone else--so stop whining about how tough the world is and start exercise your inviolable freedom of choice!" Such a position relies on historicism and argument from authority. This is to stand on crumbling ground, and there is no way out. Tis the [http://www.peirce.org/writings/p107.html Fixation of Belief]. --["ZacharyNorwood"]

Davis Students Against War

CraigBrozinsky — 2005-12-17 11:54:36

message to first...

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 14:	Line 14:
	+ ------ + ''2005-12-17 12:58:09'' [[nbsp]] Firstsaddamlasthussien, could you please visit the ["Wiki Ethics"] page? Page content is meant for reasonably objective material. Leave your comments below the comment line and try to play nice. ["CraigBrozinsky"]

Davis Students Against War

CraigBrozinsky — 2005-12-17 11:54:07

Revert to version dated 2005-12-17 11:48:00.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. We are also die hard hippies and are often smelled before seen. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] (we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday.	+ DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday.
Line 5:	Line 5:
- Interested students should contact Karl (aka '''K'''ewl '''K'''razy '''K'''arl) at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.	+ Interested students should contact Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.
Line 11:	Line 11:
- Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters and military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place.'' -["Firstsaddamlasthussien"]	+ Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place.'' -["Firstsaddamlasthussien"]

Davis Students Against War

FirstsaddamLasthussein — 2005-12-17 11:53:06

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday.	+ DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. We are also die hard hippies and are often smelled before seen. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] (we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday.
Line 5:	Line 5:
- Interested students should contact Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.	+ Interested students should contact Karl (aka '''K'''ewl '''K'''razy '''K'''arl) at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.
Line 11:	Line 11:
- Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place.'' -["Firstsaddamlasthussien"]	+ Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters and military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place.'' -["Firstsaddamlasthussien"]

Davis Students Against War

CraigBrozinsky — 2005-12-17 11:48:00

Revert to version dated 2005-12-16 23:32:31.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. We are also die hard hippies and are often smelled before seen. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization] for good reasons too. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] "](we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday.	+ DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday.
Line 5:	Line 5:
- Contacting them can be done by contacting Karl (aka '''K'''ewl '''K'''razy '''K'''arl) at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.	+ Interested students should contact Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.

Davis Students Against War

FirstsaddamLasthussein — 2005-12-17 11:03:46

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday.	+ DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. We are also die hard hippies and are often smelled before seen. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization] for good reasons too. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] "](we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday.
Line 5:	Line 5:
- Interested students should contact Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.	+ Contacting them can be done by contacting Karl (aka '''K'''ewl '''K'''razy '''K'''arl) at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.

Davis Students Against War

DavidReid — 2005-12-16 23:32:31

Revert to version dated 2005-12-16 21:42:59.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. We are also die hard hippies and are often smelled before seen. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization] for good reasons too. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] "](we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday.	+ DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday.
Line 5:	Line 5:
- Contacting them can be done by contacting Karl (aka '''K'''ewl '''K'''razy '''K'''arl) at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.	+ Interested students should contact Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.

Davis Students Against War

FirstsaddamLasthussein — 2005-12-16 23:28:49

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday.	+ DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. We are also die hard hippies and are often smelled before seen. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization] for good reasons too. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] "](we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday.
Line 5:	Line 5:
- Interested students should contact Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.	+ Contacting them can be done by contacting Karl (aka '''K'''ewl '''K'''razy '''K'''arl) at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.

Davis Students Against War

ZacharyNorwood — 2005-12-16 21:42:59

Comment added.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 12:	Line 12:
	+ ------ + ''2005-12-16 22:42:59'' [[nbsp]] LMAO. "Hey, look at me! I read articles at some on line, right-wing think tank-- I don't know that, but don't tell me! I wont listen!--and, therefore, based on my infallible understanding of the world, I must be brilliant and all knowing! Free will is constant. It doesn't matter if you're born with half a brain or if you're raised in a slum, you have the same freedom as everyone else--so grow up and exercise your freedom of choice!" Sheesh, you'd think this clown would have at least one valid argument. Instead s/he relies on historicism and authority. This is to stand on crumbling ground, and there is no way out. Tis Fixation of Belief. --["ZacharyNorwood"]

Davis Students Against War

SteveDavison — 2005-12-16 21:10:46

widthin -> within (typo introduced in editing)

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday.	+ DSAW is an anti-war group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday.
Line 7:	Line 7:
-
Line 10:	Line 9:
- However, what they do not tell you is how the entire UC system acquired their land to teach to us college students the lessons and criteria that we are learning. The United States Federal Government gave the system the land in a form of a grant. Wdithin that grant, there was a piece that said that the UC system can have this grant, if and only if the military can have its presence there. Guess what the UC system did? That's right, you're all smart cookies, they did accept it. So guess what, if the UC's try to eject the military presence they will have to pay back the entire grant that was given to them, and that my ladies and gents is a lot and I mean a lot of money.	+ ''However, what they do not tell you is how the entire UC system acquired their land to teach to us college students the lessons and criteria that we are learning. The United States Federal Government gave the system the land in a form of a grant. Within that grant, there was a piece that said that the UC system can have this grant, if and only if the military can have its presence there. Guess what the UC system did? That's right, you're all smart cookies, they did accept it. So guess what, if the UC's try to eject the military presence they will have to pay back the entire grant that was given to them, and that my ladies and gents is a lot and I mean a lot of money.
Line 12:	Line 11:
- Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. -["Firstsaddamlasthussien"]	+ Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place.'' -["Firstsaddamlasthussien"]

Davis Students Against War

JamesSchwab — 2005-12-16 19:52:57

Revert to version dated 2005-12-16 19:27:48.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. We are also die hard hippies and are often smelled before seen. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization] for good reasons too. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] "](we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday.	+ DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday.
Line 5:	Line 5:
- However, what they do not tell you is how the entire UC system acquired their land to teach to us college students the lessons and criteria that we are learning. The United States Federal Government gave the system the land in a form of a grant. Within that grant, there was a piece that said that the UC system can have this grant, if and only if the military can have its presence there. Guess what the UC system did? That's right, you're all smart cookies, they did accept it. So guess what, if the UC's try to eject the military presence they will have to pay back the entire grant that was given to them, and that my ladies and gents is a lot and I mean a lot of money.	+ Interested students should contact Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.
Line 7:	Line 7:
- Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place.
Line 9:	Line 8:
- Contacting them can be done by contacting Karl (aka Kewl Krazy Karl) at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.	+ [[Comments]] + + However, what they do not tell you is how the entire UC system acquired their land to teach to us college students the lessons and criteria that we are learning. The United States Federal Government gave the system the land in a form of a grant. Wdithin that grant, there was a piece that said that the UC system can have this grant, if and only if the military can have its presence there. Guess what the UC system did? That's right, you're all smart cookies, they did accept it. So guess what, if the UC's try to eject the military presence they will have to pay back the entire grant that was given to them, and that my ladies and gents is a lot and I mean a lot of money. + + Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. -["Firstsaddamlasthussien"]

Davis Students Against War

FirstsaddamLasthussein — 2005-12-16 19:50:25

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday.	+ DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. We are also die hard hippies and are often smelled before seen. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization] for good reasons too. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] "](we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday.
Line 5:	Line 5:
- Interested students should contact Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.	+ However, what they do not tell you is how the entire UC system acquired their land to teach to us college students the lessons and criteria that we are learning. The United States Federal Government gave the system the land in a form of a grant. Within that grant, there was a piece that said that the UC system can have this grant, if and only if the military can have its presence there. Guess what the UC system did? That's right, you're all smart cookies, they did accept it. So guess what, if the UC's try to eject the military presence they will have to pay back the entire grant that was given to them, and that my ladies and gents is a lot and I mean a lot of money.
Line 7:	Line 7:
	+ Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place.
Line 8:	Line 9:
- [[Comments]] - - However, what they do not tell you is how the entire UC system acquired their land to teach to us college students the lessons and criteria that we are learning. The United States Federal Government gave the system the land in a form of a grant. Wdithin that grant, there was a piece that said that the UC system can have this grant, if and only if the military can have its presence there. Guess what the UC system did? That's right, you're all smart cookies, they did accept it. So guess what, if the UC's try to eject the military presence they will have to pay back the entire grant that was given to them, and that my ladies and gents is a lot and I mean a lot of money. - - Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. -["Firstsaddamlasthussien"]	+ Contacting them can be done by contacting Karl (aka Kewl Krazy Karl) at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.

Davis Students Against War

JabberWokky — 2005-12-16 19:27:48

Reformat, spelling, wording, linkage.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"], and contacting them can be done by contacting Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization].	+ DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the national [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Antiwar_Network Campus Antiwar Network]. They are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. Meetings are held at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. + + Current initiatives include an anti-military recruiter bill for ["ASUCD"]. + + Interested students should contact Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. +
Line 5:	Line 10:
- However, what they do not tell you is how the entire UC system acquired their land to teach to us college students the lessons and criteria that we are learning. The United States Federal Government gave the system the land in a form of a grant. Within that grant, there was a piece that said that the UC system can have this grant, if and only if the military can have its presence there. Guess what the UC system did? That's right, you're all smart cookies, they did accept it. So guess what, if the UC's try to eject the military presence they will have to pay back the entire grant that was given to them, and that my ladies and gents is a lot and I mean a lot of money.	+ However, what they do not tell you is how the entire UC system acquired their land to teach to us college students the lessons and criteria that we are learning. The United States Federal Government gave the system the land in a form of a grant. Wdithin that grant, there was a piece that said that the UC system can have this grant, if and only if the military can have its presence there. Guess what the UC system did? That's right, you're all smart cookies, they did accept it. So guess what, if the UC's try to eject the military presence they will have to pay back the entire grant that was given to them, and that my ladies and gents is a lot and I mean a lot of money.

Davis Students Against War

JamesSchwab — 2005-12-16 19:04:53

Revert to version dated 2005-12-16 18:44:17.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. We are also die hard hippies and are often smelled before seen. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"](we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"].	+ '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"], and contacting them can be done by contacting Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. + + [[Comments]]
Line 5:	Line 7:
- Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. - - Contacting them can be done by contacting Karl (aka Kewl Krazy Karl) at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]for good reasons too.	+ Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. -["Firstsaddamlasthussien"]

Davis Students Against War

FirstsaddamLasthussein — 2005-12-16 18:53:56

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"], and contacting them can be done by contacting Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. - - [[Comments]]	+ '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. We are also die hard hippies and are often smelled before seen. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"](we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"].
Line 7:	Line 5:
- Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. -["Firstsaddamlasthussien"]	+ Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. + + Contacting them can be done by contacting Karl (aka Kewl Krazy Karl) at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]for good reasons too.

Davis Students Against War

JosephBleckman — 2005-12-16 18:44:17

Revert to version dated 2005-12-16 18:26:43.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. We are also die hard hippies and are often smelled before seen. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"](we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"].	+ '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"], and contacting them can be done by contacting Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. + + [[Comments]]
Line 5:	Line 7:
- Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. - - Contacting them can be done by contacting Karl (aka Kewl Krazy Karl) at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]for good reasons too.	+ Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. -["Firstsaddamlasthussien"]

Davis Students Against War

FirstsaddamLasthussein — 2005-12-16 18:38:01

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"], and contacting them can be done by contacting Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. - - [[Comments]]	+ '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. We are also die hard hippies and are often smelled before seen. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"](we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"].
Line 7:	Line 5:
- Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. -["Firstsaddamlasthussien"]	+ Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. + + Contacting them can be done by contacting Karl (aka Kewl Krazy Karl) at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]for good reasons too.

Davis Students Against War

JamesSchwab — 2005-12-16 18:26:43

Revert to version dated 2005-12-16 18:24:59.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. We are also die hard hippies and are often smelled before seen. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"](we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"].	+ '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"], and contacting them can be done by contacting Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. + + [[Comments]]
Line 5:	Line 7:
- Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. - - Contacting them can be done by contacting Karl (aka Kewl Krazy Karl) at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]for good reasons too.	+ Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. -["Firstsaddamlasthussien"]

Davis Students Against War

FirstsaddamLasthussein — 2005-12-16 18:25:40

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"], and contacting them can be done by contacting Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. - - [[Comments]]	+ '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. We are also die hard hippies and are often smelled before seen. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"](we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"].
Line 7:	Line 5:
- Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. -["Firstsaddamlasthussien"]	+ Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. + + Contacting them can be done by contacting Karl (aka Kewl Krazy Karl) at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]for good reasons too.

Davis Students Against War

JamesSchwab — 2005-12-16 18:24:59

Revert to version dated 2005-12-16 18:12:24.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. We are also die hard hippies and are often smelled before seen. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"](we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"].	+ '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"], and contacting them can be done by contacting Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. + + [[Comments]]
Line 5:	Line 7:
- Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. - - Contacting them can be done by contacting Karl (aka Kewl Krazy Karl) at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]for good reasons too.	+ Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. -["Firstsaddamlasthussien"]

Davis Students Against War

FirstsaddamLasthussein — 2005-12-16 18:22:49

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"], and contacting them can be done by contacting Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. - - [[Comments]]	+ '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. We are also die hard hippies and are often smelled before seen. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"](we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"].
Line 7:	Line 5:
- Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. -["Firstsaddamlasthussien"]	+ Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. + + Contacting them can be done by contacting Karl (aka Kewl Krazy Karl) at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]for good reasons too.

Davis Students Against War

JamesSchwab — 2005-12-16 18:12:24

thought I'd atleast leave the trolls comments even though he can't spell hussein

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. We are also die hard hippies and are often smelled before seen. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"](we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"].	+ '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"], and contacting them can be done by contacting Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]. + + [[Comments]]
Line 5:	Line 7:
- Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. - - Contacting them can be done by contacting Karl (aka Kewl Krazy Karl) at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]for good reasons too.	+ Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. -["Firstsaddamlasthussien"]

Davis Students Against War

FirstsaddamLasthussein — 2005-12-16 18:07:22

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"], and contacting them can be done by contacting Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization].	+ '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. We are also die hard hippies and are often smelled before seen. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"](we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"]. + + However, what they do not tell you is how the entire UC system acquired their land to teach to us college students the lessons and criteria that we are learning. The United States Federal Government gave the system the land in a form of a grant. Within that grant, there was a piece that said that the UC system can have this grant, if and only if the military can have its presence there. Guess what the UC system did? That's right, you're all smart cookies, they did accept it. So guess what, if the UC's try to eject the military presence they will have to pay back the entire grant that was given to them, and that my ladies and gents is a lot and I mean a lot of money. + + Secondly, what is the real harm with recruiters on a college UC campus? We can all see how recruiters on a high school campus can be very controversial as high schoolers are just about to enter the next step of their lives by turning 18 years of age, thus opening a world of choices to themselves. But you students at a UC level college... are you oppose to recruiters because you do not trust yourselves to make your own decisions? Because you fear that the evil recuiters at military personnel will some how seduce you into join the Army? Grow up, if you cannot make your own choices, you should have never made it to the UC system in the first place. + + Contacting them can be done by contacting Karl (aka Kewl Krazy Karl) at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]for good reasons too.

Davis Students Against War

JamesSchwab — 2005-12-16 18:06:16

Revert to version dated 2005-12-06 22:15:30.

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. We are also die hard hippies and are often smelled before seen. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"](we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"]. - - However, what they do not tell you is how the entire UC system acquired their land to teach to us college students the lessons and criteria that we are learning. The United States Federal Government gave the system the land in a form of a grant. Within that grant, there was a piece that said that the UC system can have this grant, if and only if the military can have its presence there. Guess what the UC system did? That's right, you're all smart cookies, they did accept it. So guess what, if the UC's try to eject the military presence they will have to pay back the entire grant that was given to them, and that my ladies and gents is a lot and I mean a lot of money. - - Contacting them can be done by contacting Karl (aka Kewl Krazy Karl) at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]for good reasons too.	+ '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"], and contacting them can be done by contacting Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization].

Davis Students Against War

FirstsaddamLasthussein — 2005-12-16 17:58:50

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 5:	Line 5:
- Contacting them can be done by contacting Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]for good reasons too.	+ Contacting them can be done by contacting Karl (aka Kewl Krazy Karl) at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]for good reasons too.

Davis Students Against War

FirstsaddamLasthussein — 2005-12-16 17:55:51

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. We are also die hard hippies and often smelled before seen. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"](we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"].	+ '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. We are also die hard hippies and are often smelled before seen. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"](we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"].

Davis Students Against War

FirstsaddamLasthussein — 2005-12-16 17:55:06

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"], and contacting them can be done by contacting Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization].	+ '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. We are also die hard hippies and often smelled before seen. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"](we are sorry about staining your patriotic name with our non-sense) by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"]. + + However, what they do not tell you is how the entire UC system acquired their land to teach to us college students the lessons and criteria that we are learning. The United States Federal Government gave the system the land in a form of a grant. Within that grant, there was a piece that said that the UC system can have this grant, if and only if the military can have its presence there. Guess what the UC system did? That's right, you're all smart cookies, they did accept it. So guess what, if the UC's try to eject the military presence they will have to pay back the entire grant that was given to them, and that my ladies and gents is a lot and I mean a lot of money. + + Contacting them can be done by contacting Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization]for good reasons too.

Davis Students Against War

SteveDavison — 2005-12-06 22:15:30

Hope this doesn't sound like I'm against them (I'm not).

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"], and contacting them can be done by contacting Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. - - [[Comments]]	+ '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"], and contacting them can be done by contacting Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. It seems they are not an official ["Student Organizations" student organization].

Davis Students Against War

JasonAller — 2005-11-05 19:13:11

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
- '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. They have weekly meetings at the Cafe Roma by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ASUCD, and contacting them can be done by contacting Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.	+ '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. They have weekly meetings at the ["Cafe Roma"] by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ["ASUCD"], and contacting them can be done by contacting Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com. + + [[Comments]]

Davis Students Against War

KarlDuesterberg — 2005-11-03 22:08:43

creation

Differences for Davis Students Against War

Deletions are marked with - .	Additions are marked with +.
Line 1:	Line 1:
	+ '''Davis Students Against War''' or DSAW is an antiwar group on campus and are part of the nation Campus Antiwar Network. They have weekly meetings at the Cafe Roma by campus at 7:00 on Thursday. They are currently attempting to pass an anti-millitary recruiter bill through ASUCD, and contacting them can be done by contacting Karl at karlduesterberg@yahoo.com.