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I an assuming this page can be better organized. I'm not really sure if this is even a good idea, but i figured it would be fun. Feel free to discuss the rules, what categories to add, and or what qualifies certain things in certain categories.
Okay, added a few things to organize it.. any other thoughts.. this is a cumbersomely large list .. ~D
I move that the voting starts the first day of instruction, monday, and that it gets put on the main page, and that we use the ABCD system, I think the other system Jw describes (athough the easiest) may favor the most popular places (ie the place most people have vistited rather than the best place. And this was the major complaint about the Aggie in the first place) Any other thoughts before we start the voting.
the system i imagined works like this. People rank the places they have tried in order of preference. a first place vote is worth 1 point, 2nd is worth 2 points ... Then the points are summed, and divided by the total votes. The lowest score wins. However in order for a restaurant to finish top 3 they must recieve at least 4 votes (to avoid a super small sample size).
A C D B —PhilipNeustrom
C B D A —jefftolentino
E C B D A —MattHh
E A — Joe blow
D A B — jw
A B D E C — craigbrozinski
A — john doe
A = (1+4+5+2+2+1+1)/7 = 2.2857 (1st)
B = (4+2+3+3+3+2)/6 = 2.8333
C = (2+1+2+5)/4 = 2.5 (2nd)
D = (3+3+4+1+3)/5 = 2.8 (3rd)
E = (1+1+4)/3 = 2 would have won but did not recieve at least 4 votes== —MattHh
or if we used Choice Voting:
we're always using one seat, so that the threshold for winning is (50% + 1). so to win you need 4.5 votes— so no one wins in the first round, and the least votes went to B, so B is eliminated:
A C D —PhilipNeustrom
C D A —jefftolentino
E C D A —MattHh
E A — Joe blow
D A — jw
A D E C — craigbrozinski
A — john doe
then we toss a coin and C or D is eliminated:
A D —PhilipNeustrom
D A —jefftolentino
E B D A —MattHh
E A — Joe blow
D A B — jw
A D E — craigbrozinski
A — john doe
then toss a coin and D or E is killed:
A —PhilipNeustrom
A —jefftolentino
E B A —MattHh
E A — Joe blow
A B — jw
A D E — craigbrozinski
A — john doe
A wins with 5 votes.
We'd obviously use a program for this, though (if there were a lot of votes).
Note that we got the same result — this is usually gonna be the case. But this way no votes are wasted. With the point system, those who rank all of the choices have the most say, which doesn't seem fair (in addition to other issues with it).
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2008-03-13 21:49:56 Some businesses listed are closed, several not listed yet. Just for starters, Cantina del Cabo and Bogey's are closed, SweetBrier isn't listed. I could probably think of others. DonShor
2008-03-14 13:59:52 Should we link this as a featured page on the front page? —AndrewPeake
2008-03-14 14:12:42 Yes. Featured page never gets updated. —BrentLaabs
2008-03-16 16:59:21 just shortened the list. I wanted to make it more Davis community centered rather than UCD centered. I also deleted redundant titles. (best dj and dance got the exact same top 3, so i figure these are pretty synonymous). Feel free to add back any of which i deleted. —MattHh
2008-03-16 17:02:22 It needs to be made clear how people are supposed to vote. —PhilipNeustrom
2008-03-16 20:38:09 yeah i was a little unsure on how to vote —jefftolentino
It seems like we're supposed to list a number next to each place — over time the entries would look like "Crepeville: 1 2 3 1 5". But that's not as good as something like: "Best breakfast: <names of places> <list of votes>" With the <list of votes> style we can do a simple choice voting election and find the truly most representative choices. While this might seem overboard, it really isn't: for instance, you might have 5 coffee shops — but the votes are split between independent coffee shops (there's a large number of people who only patronize independent coffee shops) and Starbucks. Starbucks is so well-known that its minority ends up winning the vote.
So, maybe:
Best Burrito/Mexican/Latin American Cuisine:
1 3 4 2 —PhilipNeustrom
3 2 4 1 —jefftolentino
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We might want to use A, B, C, D, E, .. instead of 1, 2, 3, .. to order the entries so people don't confuse "rank" and "order":
Best Burrito/Mexican/Latin American Cuisine:
A. Taqueria Guadalajara
B. Chipotle
C. Taqueria Davis
D. El Mariachi
A C D B —PhilipNeustrom
C B D A —jefftolentino
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2008-03-16 22:27:32 Another option would be just to have people place their name next to as many options as they want, maximum of once per option. That way they could vote for more than one in a category, and the total very easily counted (number of names next to an option). It's the best KISS method I can think of: easy to summarize in a paragraph and also easy to comprehend see how it works and the current running tallys while the voting is going on. —JabberWokky example:
Best Burrito/Mexican/Latin American Cuisine:
2008-03-17 07:38:06 I like JW's idea. So here may be some potential concerns, what about people voting who only tried one or 2 of the places on the list. Should there be a requirement where we suggest people only vote if they have tried a certain percentage of the places on the list? Also, what about people making dummy accounts to mess with the voting (i could especially see this as a problem if a business owner feels like making their place look good). —MattHh
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Maybe have an edit threshold to vote? Not the most inclusive way, but would mean less potential for fake votes. —RocksandDirt
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How about just using common sense and a recognition that this is a lighthearted poll rather than a serious election? If DaisyBrown, RosyRed and VioletSmith all vote, raise an eyebrow and mock the person? I mean, they might be able to fake the vote enough win the valuable prize of thousands of dollars and cause protests in Palm Beach County for a revote, but honestly, is this really a contest that is likely to attract serious cheating? —jw
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Haha :) thats a good idea, most people who try and erase stuff on other pages tend not to be too wiki savy anyway (like using the same IP adress etc.) —Matthh
2008-03-18 08:31:25 ok just had a thought. What should we do if we haven't tried all the places on the list. I was thinking a total score should be the sum of the numbers scaled by how many people gave them a number. For example if i vote
noodle express
noodle city
ding how
This shouldn't punish the other places on the list i haven't tried. So their average score is unaffected. Only the places i rank should have their score changed. What do people think about this? This way newer places, or less popular places wont be punished. —MattHh
2008-03-18 16:56:04 I would like to note that the wiki is imitating the aggie, agreed that they generally fail.. but still :P —DavidPoole
2008-03-18 18:29:44 Its more like a response to the Aggie. I thought the results were so opposite to what people on the wiki think about the places in davis. People on the wiki tend to be either townies or those who are constantly exploring Davis, and i think they can make a way better list than college freshman who eat 90 percent of their meals at sodexo. If this is a success I may write a letter to the editor about the response. I think it would be a great idea to hold this contest parallel to the Aggie every year after this one. —MattHh
2008-03-18 18:48:02 I move to delete categories that do not get 4 nominations by the end of this week. (if no one is interested in nominating places in a particular category, it shows that the category is not that interesting to wikians, or that the aggie got that category right). —MattHh
2008-03-30 17:16:40 I think we should use choice voting for each category rather than this point system. What's the rationale behind using this point-addition thing? —PhilipNeustrom
2008-03-31 02:00:14 this is my nick against choice voting. In the example john doe only voted for one, meaning he probably only tried one place, so he has no base for comparison. People who have tried all the places have the largest base for comparison. This isnt the major problem with it though. One thing is that choice voting does not factor in hatred of a place. A place gets 3 first place votes and 7 last place votes (with noting inbetween) and wins while a place that has 10 second place votes(and no firsts) is the first one eliminated. Another problem could occur if there is too few voters. Choice voting works well if there are hundreds-thousands of votes, but seems silly in the above example (lots of potential coin tosses). —MattHh
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I think the biggest problem with choice voting is that a no vote is equivalent to a last place vote. In politics this makes sense, but in this context it doesn't. Not trying a place should not punish the places outcome (except if not enough people have tried it, setting some sort of threshold works here). Another option would be to make it choice voting but instead of the cointoss, you use the sum method to eliminate places when there is a tie. —MattHh
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Okay, let's use that compromise? I just think we need to finalize this before the voting ends..otherwise it'll look awfully fishy!
2008-04-02 13:49:10 I see a huge problem with the "Best Grocery Store/place to buy produce." These should be two separate categories. I mean, clearly the fresh food markets will be better than any grocery store, and you can't really compare Savemart and Yolo fruit stand, they attract totally different customers. This is just my opinion, cause i see that everyone chooses the fresh produce over grocery stores, which I would too, but not if I was to choose the "Best Grocery Store" in Davis. —BrandonBarrette
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this is somewhat true for maybe the farmers market, but not yolo fruit stand. Yolo fuit stand is a stand alone one stop shop for all food needs, you wont get the same variety of certain things, but they have bread, milk, snacks, spices, oil, eggs, drinks, pasta, rice, cereal, canned food, ice cream, ethnic items ...etc. I rarely go to a traditional grocery store. There is a slight markup on non produce items, but if you mainly get produce, its not worth it to stop by safeway to pick up the extra carton of milk and loaf of bread. I would consider it a grocery store in that sense. maybe the farmers market shouldn't count, but the category is too small without some extra choices. -MattHh
2008-04-02 14:22:50 It's hard to vote due to edit conflicts —WilliamBeamish
Just noting that this is kinda an annoying truth, maybe we shoulda used sub pages... maybe there will be better prep for next year :P ~Dave
I think it would be awesome if we had more the general community of davis folk involved, maybe next time, publish fliers :D ~Dave
2008-04-06 14:59:50 1. When do we close voting?
2. When we're done, we should print out some nice certificates to give to businesses. Hell, if we have the money, a frame would be nice. This would help our outreach to businesses and promote the wiki a little bit too. However, I'm not a good graphic designer. Does anyone want to design certificates? —BrentLaabs
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I can design, but not print them locally. A good color inkjet or laser would be nice, and I do have access to a nice color laser and would be happy to mail out a bundle of unframed certificates. Cheap frames can be found in dollar stores, and they don't have to all match.—jw -
I think giving out certificates to businesses is a bad / tricky idea. I can't really put my thoughts into words right now, though. One thing is that it implies that the wiki favors certain businesses over others. Another is that this unscientific and fun poll is to be taken seriously. —PhilipNeustrom
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Good point. I wasn't thinking that the certificates would be taken seriously, more like an award for winning a three legged race at a picnic... something all in fun, and more akin to the "I Voted" stickers. I "feel" your point, however. I'm not convinced it is a bad idea, but I'm unsure it is a good idea either. —jw
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even if they were taken seriously i don't think this is a problem. Daviswiki isn't supporting anything, its the people of Davis who voted. Would you also not like businesses to post wiki articles on their window (if they chose to do that) one could view this similarly to the flyer example. The aggies are also unscientific. I really don't think businesses will take it too seriously anyway. Maybe instead of printing a flyer we can just notify the business and let them do what they please with the information. —MattHh
2008-04-08 11:26:52 How about ending it at the end of the month? Easy to remember, and it does not appear that voting is trickling off yet. I would have said the 15th, but the end of the month is a nice "mentally even" point, and more votes are coming in. (I'm not opposed to earlier, but I do think that it should be decided in advance so it isn't just shut down... so I'm tossing out a proposal). —JabberWokky
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Going twice...? (Yes, I wanna see the results!)
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How about Friday [arbitrary, semi-selfish reasons :)]?
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Works for me. —jw
2008-05-10 17:33:21 Even though we're not giving certificates to the businesses, should it still be noted on the business' dwiki page that the business won in whichever category? —ElleWeber
