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The Jamacian chicken (Wed-Friday) is super-spicy, but not much else. Pricey for the quality of food and the quality of non-service. There were people smoking at the tables on both side of me. Illegal in California far as I know, and certainly obnoxious. When I ordered the guy stuck the tip jar in my face which I thought was tacky. Then, you bus your own table. Generally a no-class place. Apparently much loved by a certain subset of undergraduates, however. - GusTavo


2005-09-21 09:01:50   The Davis Municipal Code clearly states that smoking is prohibited in "(2)Seating provided by eating establishments and bars." See: Chapter 34, Section 02.010 It's not clear at all why there is flagrant disregard of this ordinance both by customers and employees. —PaulThober


2005-10-13 01:43:08   Delta serves good food, and I like the no-busing policy - it reduces costs for everyone. But, you can't count on them having food when you want it ("Oh, the cook didn't show up today. Sorry.") and the smoking is just ridiculous. Smoking in public is incredibly selfish and obnoxious - it's one of the most obnoxious things one can do at a restaurant/cafe. It's like running a car engine and piping the exhaust directly to your table, and to your neighbors' tables. I called the Davis PD to ask how to get them to enforce the smoking ban, and they said to call them when you witness someone violating it. They'll send a cop over if First Northern isn't getting robbed at that particular moment. —GrahamFreeman


2005-10-19 21:29:22   Ok, so, I'm a smoker, and I do take care to not light up around people who may not smoke or directly in front of buildings, but I had no idea until I just looked up the Civil Code (or whatever it's called) that smoking isn't allowed on outdoor patios in Davis. Maybe instead of getting pissed off about it, you should politely let the guy offending you know that it's illegal to smoke on the Delta patio. You could even play it off as if you're helping them out. I would rather be told by a seemingly well-meaning bystander that I might get in trouble than have the cops called any day. Seriously, don't you think that cops have more important things to do than ticket the guy offending you at a restaurant? —SummerSong


2005-10-23 18:34:58   And maybe instead of telling that person off, you should stop being a whiny ass or get the duck out of fodge. —ApolloStumpy


2005-10-28 23:59:21   Awesome food & great atmosphere. I think smokers should be able to smoke, but not at the risk of ruining others' appetites. Maybe designate an area that smoking cannot occur in on the patio? Just a thought. Anyway, I just want to mention that, though the food's good, don't expect it to come quickly...especially on weekend brunches. I once waited a full hour for my eggs & toast and it was served well after my friend had finished his breakfast burrito (I ordered my food right after him). But still...I love Delta and will be back many times over! —EmilyBlake


2006-06-26 18:18:41 I find the smoking thing odd too, I can't believe someone would think anyone else might enjoy their smoke while eating. I had to leave today because of the smoke. I just didn't feel comfortable asking the person to stop~ It wasn't even just one person, several tables had smokers at them.This smoking makes it hard for me to encourage people to go there even if the food is good and the service comes with a smile. Maybe they could post a nonsmoking sign?


2007-07-27 12:18:22   Come on now, people. Davis is full of cigarette Nazis. I understand that you don't like breathing smoke, but then, we smokers don't particularly enjoy being glared at as we walk down the street. At Delta all of the regulars smoke. To tell them to put it out, when they spend every paycheck here so that others, who come in maybe once every couple of months, can sit outside is what's obnoxious. For that matter, I'll tell you what else is obnoxious: the fact that yuppies and yuppie's rich children think that this town is there's. The farmers and the hippies were here first and, sorry, but we're going to keep the one patio we have left in Davis (RIP Roma.) As far as the city allowing it, when exactly was the last time you saw a cop at Delta? Please. —ElizabethJohnson


2007-07-29 16:32:11   Elizabeth, I feel like I'm wasting time by responding to you, but I enjoy debate, so what the heck.

The Nazis caused the deaths of approximately 10 million people whom they deemed to be sufficiently different from them as to be considered subhuman. In stark contrast, people who dislike smoking are trying to maintain decent living standards and minimize their chances of getting cancer. Nobody has suggested that smokers be forced to wear identifying armbands, be taken to death camps, or be subjected to torture and sadistic medical experiments. So, how is it that you see fit to equate anti-smokers with Nazis?

With regard to the Delta being a safe haven for smokers, I can't see how it makes smart business sense to alienate people with kids, people with dogs, and other nonsmokers just so you don't have to inconvenience the tobacco companies' zombies. But hey, if you're speaking for Delta and you're saying that the outdoors seating is for those who don't mind a little lung cancer, I don't need to come in two or three times a month anymore. (Hmm, doesn't that make me a regular?)

In your us vs. the world comments, you seem to be implying three things: (1) that everyone fits neatly into a given stereotype, and (2) that "farmers" and "hippies" are all smokers, and (3) smokers are oppressed.

Well, let's start with #1 - your implication that everyone fits neatly into whatever stereotype you want to paint them with. You'd probably label me a "yuppie", because I'm a technology consultant, I wear clothes that facilitate my visits to my clients' offices, I drive a fairly modern car, and I no longer live cheque-to-cheque. However, reality is not that simple, as I was raised by "hippies" in a modest setting. (Well, a bunch of modest settings - we moved on average once per year until I was in high school.) For example, when I was young, an improvement in our financial situation meant that we upgraded from living in a tent to a shack with no insulation, inconsistent running water, and a bucket for a toilet. From there, we upgraded to the place that had running water (except when it was running mud in the winter) and a flush toilet, but still no insulation and a violent drug fiend neighbor who held a loaded shotgun to his wife's head in front of their kids, one of whom was a friend of mine. Please forgive me for not relishing a return to that reality, and for not appreciating your ignorant assumptions about my background.

#2 - your implication that all farmers and "hippies" are smokers. Oh, please. That's just plainly false.

#3 - your implication that smokers are oppressed. Other addicts whose addiction-influenced behaviour is also disruptive would probably make similar arguments. Do you think that heroin junkies are oppressed because they can't freely shoot up in public? Or that drunks are oppressed because they're not allowed to drive while drunk? I don't think so, and I and many others equate such things with smoking in public.

Addiction is a powerful and terrible thing, and I do honestly feel bad for you that you're suffering under the thumb of one of the most powerfully addictive substances around. However, just as I don't pity my alcoholic uncle when he receives negative attention for indulging in his addiction in public, I don't pity you (or any other smoker) for being subjected to glares and other signs of disapproval when you indulge in your addiction in public - especially since anyone within 20 feet of you is forced to share in your deadly habit whether or not they want to.

GrahamFreeman


2007-08-04 16:52:52   I'm not a smoker but I am happy that other people are allowed to smoke on the patio at Delta of Venus. I enjoy the social atmosphere created in cigarette smoking zones. Everyone is just hanging out and being friendly while taking a break from whatever is they normally do. Its a comfortable environment which I have enjoyed my whole life, despite the fact that I have never personally enjoyed smoking cigarettes.

Also, I really don't think its realistic to say that you are going to get cancer because you sit 20 feet away from a smoker for 20 minutes while you eat lunch once a week. There is lots of seating in the outside area of delta that is far away from the smoking section. Can't everyone coexist? —SolomonBothwell


2007-08-05 14:52:28   Solomon, I admit to having been melodramatic for the sake of illustrating my point when I referred to people who "don't mind a little lung cancer." Obviously nobody's going to get cancer from a singlehand secondhand exposure to a low-intensity carcinogen. However, it's indisputable that exposure to secondhand cigarette smoke increases the risk of cancer, and the fact that other people feel entitled to impose upon me that increased risk is what gets my goat.

As far as socializing is concerned, you're saying that you're OK with this increased risk of cancer as the cost of participating in that particular social scene. I've never had any trouble finding great people to socialize with in the complete absence of cigarettes, but that's your choice, and I respect that. Don't impose your choice on me in public spaces. If I come to your house, and your other guests are smoking, obviously I have to put up with it or leave. That's not true at a business (such as Delta) that offers services to the public in the city of Davis. In such a setting, the citizens have agreed upon a law that requires smokers to stay at least 20 feet away from doors and windows.


2007-10-22 16:46:44  

dear delta non-smokers,
if you don't like smoke, politely ask people to not smoke near you.

dear delta smokers,
please be nice and stop smoking if someone asks, or else i will make you.

love,
eric —EricRedpath


2008-01-23 11:32:03   You tell 'em, Eric. —ElizabethJohnson


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