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ChelsAlex — 2009-11-16 22:27:34

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	+ ------ + ''2009-11-16 22:27:34'' [[nbsp]] my two friends and i were carded by the cashier, which i didn't mind (it's nice to look younger than i actually am ;D) + however, she was a total twat about it. she asked us our addresses, how long we've been living here, told us to stand up straight, and after we answered all her questions correctly, and nicely, she tried to refuse us service!!! didn't see her harassing anyone else. i guess they are on the lookout for a local gang of underaged alcoholics. either way, don't think we're coming back. --["Users/ChelsAlex"]

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DanPedersen — 2009-09-21 12:35:35

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	+ -Very little of the food comes from sysco, canned tomatoes and artichoke hearts pretty much. It's mostly things like paper towels and cleaning products. The produce is primarily organic and local, from produce express in Woodland. -["Users/danpedersen"]

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Lala — 2009-09-15 00:17:59

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Darren22 — 2009-08-15 22:58:21

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	+ ------ + ''2009-08-15 23:58:21'' [[nbsp]] In my opinion, pretentious, unfriendly, and over priced. The coffee is good, and they have a nice selection of beers. If you are into the coffee house art thing, this is the place for you. --["Users/Darren22"]

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condemned2bfree — 2009-06-17 06:33:59

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	+ + * I believe the theory is (and it doesn't always work this way) is that you are taking the table from someone whose food is ready to consume and that if everyone respects the process then there will also be a table once you are ready to eat so relax and wait your turn. It "sounds" fair. This is the same practice at Crepeville. The problem, of course, is that it doesn't always work out that way. We've gone to Crepeville at times and ordered our food and looked around for a table and still hadn't found one by the time the food came out. We finally did find a table and it was outside and this was still cold and rainy season so we froze our butts off, not to mention the food was cold in about two minutes. If that's the policy at Delta, or any place, there should first be a sign recognizing it, and second some kind of discount returned should you find yourself without a table once the food arrives. Essentially, restaurants like that are making money above their capacity, but at a cost to their customers. That all being said, I love both Crepeville and Delta. The food is delicious, beverage choices excellent and service quite good (which is why I return). --["Users/condemned2bfree"]

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BrianJKenyon — 2009-06-16 08:50:40

Without the insane rudeness of Carrie's comment to refer to, mine was aptless.

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- "Obliviots" Perfect, you've got them down cold. For some reason eighty-sixing the D of V sign with Botticelli's Aphrodite coincided with the clientele turning generic role-player. New management perhaps? ["Users/BrianJKenyon"] - ------

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CarrieBishop — 2009-06-16 07:59:35

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- ''2009-06-12 09:15:13'' [[nbsp]] I've been going to this coffee shop since I first moved here over two years ago. To the group of Latin American exchange students who physically threatened me with violence: if I see you at this place again I will totally take you up on that offer to fight. Being a tough girl I have no problem fighting with homosexual men, and if you are a pussy enough to fight a girl then I have no reason to hold back. So bring it. - - **For any obliviots disturbed by this statement let me assure you that reality happens no matter how much you try to deny it. And yes, plenty of a-holes hang out at the DOV trying to start fights with locals, Americans or anyone else they feel personally, physically or intellectually threatened by. If you witness me bust someone in the lip rest assured I was minding my own business before someone idiotically decided to harass me in public. --["Users/CarrieBishop"] - "Obliviots" Perfect, you've got them down cold. For some reason eighty-sixing the D of V sign with Botticelli's Aphrodite coincided with the clientele turning generic role-player. New management perhaps? ["Users/BrianJKenyon"]	+ "Obliviots" Perfect, you've got them down cold. For some reason eighty-sixing the D of V sign with Botticelli's Aphrodite coincided with the clientele turning generic role-player. New management perhaps? ["Users/BrianJKenyon"]

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strawberry — 2009-06-12 13:29:17

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	+ ------ + ''2009-06-12 14:29:17'' [[nbsp]] Caters to the judgmental hippie crowd. Don't get their chai, as it is usually watered down and expensive. This place puts on local events and stuff. 5/10. --["Users/strawberry"]

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BrianJKenyon — 2009-06-12 10:21:38

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	+ *"Obliviots" Perfect, you've got them down cold. For some reason eighty-sixing the D of V sign with Botticelli's Aphrodite coincided with the clientele turning generic role-player. New management perhaps? ["Users/BrianJKenyon"]

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CarrieBishop — 2009-06-12 08:15:13

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	+ ------ + ''2009-06-12 09:15:13'' [[nbsp]] I've been going to this coffee shop since I first moved here over two years ago. To the group of Latin American exchange students who physically threatened me with violence: if I see you at this place again I will totally take you up on that offer to fight. Being a tough girl I have no problem fighting with homosexual men, and if you are a pussy enough to fight a girl then I have no reason to hold back. So bring it. + + ***For any obliviots disturbed by this statement let me assure you that reality happens no matter how much you try to deny it. And yes, plenty of a-holes hang out at the DOV trying to start fights with locals, Americans or anyone else they feel personally, physically or intellectually threatened by. If you witness me bust someone in the lip rest assured I was minding my own business before someone idiotically decided to harass me in public. --["Users/CarrieBishop"]

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nowhereman — 2009-04-26 20:14:36

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	+ ------ + ''2009-04-26 21:14:36'' [[nbsp]] I go to this place at least twice a week for oatmeal and coffee. Their oatmeal is the best! I like talking to the staff: Lee, Blake, Sharon, Autumn, Noe and Iwaca. They're very friendly. + --["Users/nowhereman"]

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Lala — 2009-03-01 12:34:53

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	+ ------ + ''2009-03-01 12:34:53'' [[nbsp]] My boyfriend and I went to Delta for brunch one rainy Sunday afternoon. It was a fairly long line, and we wanted to guarantee ourselves a table so he snagged one and sat and waited until I was done ordering. There was a group of 3 older people in front of us talking so loudly about how it is so rude to grab a table before ordering food, how it is customary to get a table after ordering, and they talked about this for 5 minutes at least. The one guy said "or else a couple could just walk in behind you and grab a table even though they got there after you"- it was super awkward, especially because there were like 5 open tables that they could have grabbed, and they were still there after they ordered. + + But really, isn't it right to want to know if you can get a table before you order, to know if it is a "here or to-go" order? I don't want to be sitting outside in the rain. So... this isn't a rule, right? just curious. It made for a very uncomfortable, awkward time at the Delta. + + PS, I really like this place- their food is wonderful! --["Users/Lala"]

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SaulSugarman — 2009-02-25 07:53:05

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- ''2006-02-19 15:41:46'' [[nbsp]] I've been to Delta of Venus once ... the entire reminds me of something beachy. It's like I'm waiting to look outside and see the ocean instead of cars zooming by. I have to say I like the people working there, and the setup of the menu and what's offered and all of that. I do think the management is entirely too laid back, though. While they have fan-freaking-tastic sandwiches, the fact that they only serve them at certain times is kinda B.S., as is the hours they're open. The food was a bit underwhelming as well. --["Users/SaulSugarman"] - ------ - ''2006-02-19 15:42:02'' [[nbsp]] I mean, it's good food, don't get me wrong, but for $8.50 I was expecting a bit more-- I got the Coconut Curry Chicken Stew. The texture of the stew itself tasted very homemade; like someone cooked up some Campbell's Select Mexican Soup and added chicken to it. I do love their sandwiches, though; a lot. In my limited experience, I don't reccomend this place as a study place. It seems to attract the pseudo-intellectual "I'm going to talk about nothing important loudly enough so everyone in the place can hear me talk about nothing important" types. I won't hesitate to return, I do like it, it's just not my favorite. --["Users/SaulSugarman"]	+ ''2006-02-19 15:41:46'' [[nbsp]] I've been to Delta of Venus once ... the entire reminds me of something beachy. It's like I'm waiting to look outside and see the ocean instead of cars zooming by. I have to say I like the people working there, and the setup of the menu and what's offered and all of that. I do think the management is entirely too laid back, though. While they have fan-freaking-tastic sandwiches, the fact that they only serve them at certain times is kinda B.S., as is the hours they're open. The food was a bit underwhelming as well. --SS + ------ + ''2006-02-19 15:42:02'' [[nbsp]] I mean, it's good food, don't get me wrong, but for $8.50 I was expecting a bit more-- I got the Coconut Curry Chicken Stew. The texture of the stew itself tasted very homemade; like someone cooked up some Campbell's Select Mexican Soup and added chicken to it. I do love their sandwiches, though; a lot. In my limited experience, I don't reccomend this place as a study place. It seems to attract the pseudo-intellectual "I'm going to talk about nothing important loudly enough so everyone in the place can hear me talk about nothing important" types. I won't hesitate to return, I do like it, it's just not my favorite. --SS

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Haruesays — 2009-02-02 11:25:28

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	+ ------ + ''2009-02-02 11:25:28'' [[nbsp]] Usually I love to have breakfast at the delta, but I had breakfast at the delta about a week ago, and the potatoes were tough and chewy. They seemed like they had been made to long before they were served to me. It made me very sad because the potatoes are usually awesome. It was probably an anomaly, but I just wanted to mention it. --["Users/Haruesays"]

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JoePomidor — 2009-01-20 21:55:02

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- '''Delta of Venus''' is an independent coffee shop, restaurant and pub in ["Downtown" downtown Davis]. In addition to ["coffee"] and ["espresso"] drinks, the Delta serves food all day for ["vegan" vegans], ["Vegetarian Options" vegetarians], and non-vegetarians. It also serves a range of ["beer"] and ["wine"] (and mimosas!). There's ["WiFi Hot Spots" wireless Internet] and a pretty conducive ["Study Spots" study] environment during the day. There is also a fireplace and a bunch of books (including "Revolution In The Head" by Ian Macdonald) you can browse through.	+ '''Delta of Venus''' is an independent coffee shop, restaurant and pub in ["Downtown" downtown Davis]. In addition to ["coffee"] and ["espresso"] drinks, the Delta serves food all day for ["vegan" vegans], ["Vegetarian Options" vegetarians], and omnivores. It also serves a range of ["beer"] and ["wine"] (and mimosas!). There's ["WiFi Hot Spots" wireless Internet] and a pretty conducive ["Study Spots" study] environment during the day. There is also a fireplace and a bunch of books (including "Revolution In The Head" by Ian Macdonald) you can browse through.

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DavisKing — 2008-11-30 15:33:39

I showed up to DOV today. They were closed at 2:15pm. "we close at 2pm on sunday

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bhdjtd — 2008-11-11 21:12:29

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	+ ------ + ''2008-11-11 21:12:29'' [[nbsp]] + Aside from the great food, the place takes us somewhere else. Laid back, hair down, flip-flop, art on the walls, greatness. Potatoes et al. Yeah baby. --["Users/bhdjtd"]

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bluebird — 2008-10-26 14:04:48

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	+ ------ + ''2008-10-26 15:04:48'' [[nbsp]] I'm not sure whether bad service is just a feature of Sunday brunch or what, but on a recent Sunday the service really upset me. I've worked in food service before and so I try not to be a difficult customer, but when I see a friend of a server stroll up and get his omelette while I haven't gotten mine half an hour after ordering (and it's not that crowded), I think that there is something wrong with the way management is communicating its priorities. It was especially frustrating because after waiting for about 25 minutes I told them that I would have to go soon and there just didn't seem to be any sense of urgency. It was my first time there so maybe there never is any sense of urgency, but I really wish I hadn't tipped. --["Users/bluebird"]

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piratechef — 2008-09-24 08:03:20

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	+ Venus is Rome's goddess of Love and Delta would be referencing her vag. Dunno about the book tho.

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SunjeetBaadkar — 2008-09-03 18:07:08

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	+ + * And they are having a special on their brews (coffee and beer) for the night time. I forget the details, but they have flyers there for those interested! --["Users/SunjeetBaadkar"]

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JesseSingh — 2008-09-03 17:39:47

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ascapoccia — 2008-08-28 22:18:15

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	+ ------ + ''2008-08-28 23:18:15'' [[nbsp]] I'm a big fan of the tea here. It is also the only place i've found that serves black and tans. Delicious! --["Users/ascapoccia"]

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Angel.York — 2008-08-26 23:01:36

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	+ ------ + ''2008-08-27 00:01:36'' [[nbsp]] Great place to be social. They pretty consistently don't have decaf. --["Users/Angel.York"]

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LisaKrebs — 2008-08-06 05:14:13

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	+ + "2008-08-06" Last Sunday morning my family visited Delta for breakfast. There was one hostess there who was completely hostile toward us for our entire visit. We met another family for an early breakfast (8:30) and sat together indoors. The hostess was rude to the point of rolling her eyes at us and told us to "never come back again" at the end of our meal. When I asked for a "to-go" cup, the hostess glared at me, ignored my "thank you" and then told me sharply to put my glass cup in the tray and not on the counter. We were completely appalled and still as I write this, I can't believe that this woman has been hired to be the face of Delta of Venus that customers interact with. When my husband asked her why she said to never return to Delta, she blew up about us not busing our table (which we did 100%) and not tipping. To this, we say that tipping is for service, for which we received zero. We ordered at the counter, we got our own silverware/napkins, we bused our own table...and we did it all with a really bitter hostess who made us feel totally unwelcome the entire time. We did send a formal complaint to the owner and explained the entire ordeal. While we don't want to penalize an otherwise great local restaurant by terminating our patronage there, it would be hard to return knowing that a paid employee thinks it's ok to treat people like that (and who is allowed to keep her job). ["Users/LisaKrebs"]

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- '''Delta of Venus''' is an independent coffee shop, restaurant and pub in downtown Davis. In addition to coffee and espresso drinks, the Delta serves food all day for ["vegan" vegans], ["Vegetarian Options" vegetarians], and non-vegetarians. It also serves a range of beer and wine (and mimosas!). There's ["WiFi Hot Spots" wireless Internet] and a pretty conducive ["Study Spots" study] environment during the day. There is also a fireplace and a bunch of books (including "Revolution In The Head" by Ian Macdonald) you can browse through.	+ '''Delta of Venus''' is an independent coffee shop, restaurant and pub in ["Downtown" downtown Davis]. In addition to ["coffee"] and ["espresso"] drinks, the Delta serves food all day for ["vegan" vegans], ["Vegetarian Options" vegetarians], and non-vegetarians. It also serves a range of ["beer"] and ["wine"] (and mimosas!). There's ["WiFi Hot Spots" wireless Internet] and a pretty conducive ["Study Spots" study] environment during the day. There is also a fireplace and a bunch of books (including "Revolution In The Head" by Ian Macdonald) you can browse through.
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- The Delta serves organic, fair trade coffee from Davis' own ["Pachamama Coffee Cooperative"], organic tofu from Sacramento Tofu Co., and fresh bread from Davis' Village Bakery and Sacramento Baking Co.	+ The Delta serves ["organic"], ["fair trade coffee"] from Davis' own ["Pachamama Coffee Cooperative"], organic tofu from Sacramento Tofu Co., and fresh bread from Davis' ["Village Bakery"] and Sacramento Baking Co. + + Be aware that if you drive to Venus, don't park in spots designated for ["J. Alex Tomaich, DDS MD" Dr. Tomaich's practice] next door. They're pretty nice about it, and they have been known to leave notes of admonishment on cars' windshields (which is better than having your car towed).
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- There is a really nice outdoor patio area that's great for sitting and shooting the breeze. The place has a social atmosphere, and is the only other ["Cafes" cafe] besides Mishka's to serve ["alcohol"]. It's a place for friends and good times.	+ There is a really nice outdoor patio area that's great for sitting and shooting the breeze. The place has a social atmosphere, and is the only other ["Cafes" cafe] besides ["Mishka's"] to serve ["alcohol"]. It's a place for friends and good times.
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- Live music has been an important element of Delta of Venus from the start, with historic past performances by Jolie Holland, Ozomatli, Fred Frith, Jason Webley, Brightblack Morninglight, and many others. In 2004, ["KDVS DJs" KDVS DJ] ["Michael Leahy"] began his now famous "Down at the Delta" folk series, featuring local favorites the ["Mad Cow String Band"], as well as regional and national touring acts such as Sean Hayes, Hillstomp, The Devil Makes Three, Tom Brousseau, Obo Martin, and Iron and the Albatross. This scene quickly established itself as one of the best kept secrets in Northern CA live music. In 2005, ["KDVS DJs" KDVS DJ] ["BrendanBoyle"] started the continuing "KDVS Presents..." shows, featuring independent touring acts of wide acclaim and variety. See the list of ["Delta of Venus/Past Performers" past performers] at the Delta.	+ Live music has been an important element of Delta of Venus from the start, with historic past performances by Jolie Holland, Ozomatli, Fred Frith, Jason Webley, Brightblack Morninglight, and many others. In 2004, ["KDVS DJs" KDVS DJ] ["Michael Leahy"] began his now famous "Down at the Delta" folk series, featuring local favorites the ["Mad Cow String Band"], as well as regional and national touring acts such as Sean Hayes, Hillstomp, The Devil Makes Three, Tom Brousseau, Obo Martin, and Iron and the Albatross. This scene quickly established itself as one of the best kept secrets in ["Northern California" Northern CA] live music. In 2005, ["KDVS DJs" KDVS DJ] ["Users/BrendanBoyle"] started the continuing "KDVS Presents..." shows, featuring independent touring acts of wide acclaim and variety. See the list of ["Delta of Venus/Past Performers" past performers] at the Delta.
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- The Delta is actually a hybrid restaurant and coffeehouse. Studiers and other people who just want to linger over a cup of coffee are welcome, but there is a big selection of hot and cold food if you want it, which varies by time of day and day of the week (be sure to know the schedule if you plan to come for something specific to avoid disappointment).	+ The Delta is actually a hybrid ["restaurant"] and coffeehouse. Studiers and other people who just want to linger over a cup of coffee are welcome, but there is a big selection of hot and cold food if you want it, which varies by time of day and day of the week (be sure to know the schedule if you plan to come for something specific to avoid disappointment).
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- In 1996, Ruth and Audrey sold the Delta to Marek Reavis and Susie Kong, who installed the front patio and deck, and began the trend of painting each dining room a different color. Two years later, the Delta was sold to Greg Didio and Willis Jones, who expanded the popular weekend brunch to seven days a week. In 2001, while living in the basement of the ["Turtle House"], Lee Walthall bought the Delta of Venus with a small business loan and has been the proprietor since. Lee expanded the live music and DJ dance scene, added daily happy hour, and brought in his longtime friend Chef Iwaca to cook the Delta's famous Carribbean cuisine.	+ In 1996, Ruth and Audrey sold the Delta to Marek Reavis and Susie Kong, who installed the front patio and deck, and began the trend of painting each dining room a different color. Two years later, the Delta was sold to Greg Didio and Willis Jones, who expanded the popular weekend brunch to seven days a week. In 2001, while living in the basement of the ["Turtle House"], Lee Walthall bought the Delta of Venus with a small business loan and has been the proprietor since. Lee expanded the live music and DJ dance scene, added daily happy hour, and brought in his longtime friend Chef Iwaca to cook the Delta's famous Caribbean cuisine.
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- Amazing Carribean food is served Wednesday-Friday 6pm-10pm. In my personal opinion, it is the best food in Davis...or...maybe ever! -Dina	+ Amazing Caribbean food is served Wednesday-Friday 6pm-10pm. In my personal opinion, it is the best food in Davis...or...maybe ever! -Dina
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- * I'm not sure that I agree with this. I took myself and a friend out to breakfast there, got a breakfast burrito + coffee for myself and a bagel with pesto + an americano for her. The total was almost exactly $10. Maybe it depends on what you order, but my breakfast burrito was fantastic. - ["PhilipNeustrom"] - * I've managed to get both expensive ''and'' inexpensive food at "The Delta." It really does depend on what you get. I personally recommend the "Potatoes et al" for breakfast, or the bagel "with the works." The first is $5, but the bagel with the works is only $3.50, delicious, and filling. - ["SharonZimmerman"]	+ * I'm not sure that I agree with this. I took myself and a friend out to breakfast there, got a breakfast burrito + coffee for myself and a bagel with pesto + an americano for her. The total was almost exactly $10. Maybe it depends on what you order, but my breakfast burrito was fantastic. - ["Users/PhilipNeustrom"] + * I've managed to get both expensive ''and'' inexpensive food at "The Delta." It really does depend on what you get. I personally recommend the "Potatoes et al" for breakfast, or the bagel "with the works." The first is $5, but the bagel with the works is only $3.50, delicious, and filling. - ["Users/SharonZimmerman"]
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- I would have to recommend the Plum Baked Chicken. The plum sauce is very spicy on its own, but if you put all the sides into the cup of sauce and eat it that way, it's fantastic and just right. I have always found the employees exceptionally friendly, it's almost got a "mi casa es su casa" sort of feel to the place. The music is first-rate on Thursday nights, usually a double header of top local and sometimes not-so-local folk musicians. Fridays can also have a good band early in the night, with a DJ it out. The ["Mad Cow String Band"], probably Davis's best known non-rock music band, was among the first in recent times to bring popularity and attendance this venue on Thursdays, now they play about once a month. There is nothing better to do on a Thursday than eating plum chicken and drinking a pint of Wolavers, sitting outside at the Delta V listening to Madcow just after sunset. --["JustinRau"]	+ I would have to recommend the Plum Baked Chicken. The plum sauce is very spicy on its own, but if you put all the sides into the cup of sauce and eat it that way, it's fantastic and just right. I have always found the employees exceptionally friendly, it's almost got a "mi casa es su casa" sort of feel to the place. The music is first-rate on Thursday nights, usually a double header of top local and sometimes not-so-local folk musicians. Fridays can also have a good band early in the night, with a DJ it out. The ["Mad Cow String Band"], probably Davis's best known non-rock music band, was among the first in recent times to bring popularity and attendance this venue on Thursdays, now they play about once a month. There is nothing better to do on a Thursday than eating plum chicken and drinking a pint of Wolavers, sitting outside at the Delta V listening to Madcow just after sunset. --["Users/JustinRau"]
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- The cheese pesto sandwich is the best thing that's ever happened to me. don't tell my boyfriend. --["EllenWoodall"]	+ The cheese pesto sandwich is the best thing that's ever happened to me. don't tell my boyfriend. --["Users/EllenWoodall"]
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- After wanting to try this place for half a year, I finally ate some Carribean food here a week ago. I was tempted to ask them to make it spicy (as most of the time I'm underwhelmed by the spiciness level), but I refrained from it and the food turned out perfectly. The Plum-Baked chicken was very delicious, the amount they give you is pretty fair, and the small touches (fried banana) really enhance the dish. I thought the sauce was slightly too sweet, but other than that pitch-perfect. My roomate Quoc had the spicy chicken (had a taste) which was also very good. My roomate Cameron and friend Liz both had the Breaded chicken, but were a bit envious of what Quoc and I got. We went on a Thursday and the atmosphere at Venus was great. --["AlvinTsao"]	+ After wanting to try this place for half a year, I finally ate some Carribean food here a week ago. I was tempted to ask them to make it spicy (as most of the time I'm underwhelmed by the spiciness level), but I refrained from it and the food turned out perfectly. The Plum-Baked chicken was very delicious, the amount they give you is pretty fair, and the small touches (fried banana) really enhance the dish. I thought the sauce was slightly too sweet, but other than that pitch-perfect. My roomate Quoc had the spicy chicken (had a taste) which was also very good. My roomate Cameron and friend Liz both had the Breaded chicken, but were a bit envious of what Quoc and I got. We went on a Thursday and the atmosphere at Venus was great. --["Users/AlvinTsao"]
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- Delta of Venus is the best place in Davis to nurse a ["hangovers" hangover]. --["PhilipNeustrom"]	+ Delta of Venus is the best place in Davis to nurse a ["hangovers" hangover]. --["Users/PhilipNeustrom"]
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- All I got to say is that I'm not too big on the whole hippie scence, but this bunch of hippies makes the best damn breakfast burrito in davis! --["MikeKuwa"]	+ All I got to say is that I'm not too big on the whole hippie scence, but this bunch of hippies makes the best damn breakfast burrito in davis! --["Users/MikeKuwa"]
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- ''2005-08-06 19:21:58'' [[nbsp]] so who are all the hot guys and hot girls who work there? someone post a list --["ApolloStumpy"]	+ ''2005-08-06 19:21:58'' [[nbsp]] so who are all the hot guys and hot girls who work there? someone post a list --["Users/ApolloStumpy"]
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- ''2005-08-24 03:21:01'' [[nbsp]] Unless tonight was a fluke, they don't seem to have a problem letting people stay after they close for a bit. Got some nice studying done here after Mishka's got so full it sunk into the center of the Earth. Just ask whoever's in charge. --["JesseSingh"]	+ ''2005-08-24 03:21:01'' [[nbsp]] Unless tonight was a fluke, they don't seem to have a problem letting people stay after they close for a bit. Got some nice studying done here after Mishka's got so full it sunk into the center of the Earth. Just ask whoever's in charge. --["Users/JesseSingh"]
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- ''2005-09-21 08:45:36'' [[nbsp]] My partner and I went to the Delta for dinner a couple of evenings ago. I had the jerk chicken which was very good - just the right amount of spice. However, the chicken was, as I call it, cooked to death. My partner had Coconut Curry Chicken Stew that we both thought lacked in curry and coconut - rather too bland for our tastes. --["PaulThober"]	+ ''2005-09-21 08:45:36'' [[nbsp]] My partner and I went to the Delta for dinner a couple of evenings ago. I had the jerk chicken which was very good - just the right amount of spice. However, the chicken was, as I call it, cooked to death. My partner had Coconut Curry Chicken Stew that we both thought lacked in curry and coconut - rather too bland for our tastes. --["Users/PaulThober"]
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- ''2005-09-27 15:28:11'' [[nbsp]] Delta's toast, which is made from ["Village Bakery"] bread, is some of the best damn toast in the universe. --["ArlenAbraham"]	+ ''2005-09-27 15:28:11'' [[nbsp]] Delta's toast, which is made from ["Village Bakery"] bread, is some of the best damn toast in the universe. --["Users/ArlenAbraham"]
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- ''2005-09-28 01:13:21'' [[nbsp]] I could be wrong, but I think that the brunch toast at Delta is actually the Wheat Walnut made by the Sacramento Baking Company. They sell it at the Coop. --["SarahKlinger"]	+ ''2005-09-28 01:13:21'' [[nbsp]] I could be wrong, but I think that the brunch toast at Delta is actually the Wheat Walnut made by the Sacramento Baking Company. They sell it at the Coop. --["Users/SarahKlinger"]
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- ''2005-10-28 10:43:06'' [[nbsp]] Guinness + a shot of espresso = most delicious thing ever. It tastes like a chocolate milkshake, only it's more delicious. --["ArlenAbraham"]	+ ''2005-10-28 10:43:06'' [[nbsp]] Guinness + a shot of espresso = most delicious thing ever. It tastes like a chocolate milkshake, only it's more delicious. --["Users/ArlenAbraham"]
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- ''2005-10-29 16:43:35'' [[nbsp]] I kept hearing how wonderful Iwaka's cooking was, so I went there and had a bowl of his stew ($3.50). It was good, but hardly memorable. YMMV. --["SteveDavison"]	+ ''2005-10-29 16:43:35'' [[nbsp]] I kept hearing how wonderful Iwaka's cooking was, so I went there and had a bowl of his stew ($3.50). It was good, but hardly memorable. YMMV. --["Users/SteveDavison"]
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- ''2005-11-15 17:18:31'' [[nbsp]] Does anyone know why the payphone at Delta rings all of the time and there is no one on the other end? --["JackHaskel"]	+ ''2005-11-15 17:18:31'' [[nbsp]] Does anyone know why the payphone at Delta rings all of the time and there is no one on the other end? --["Users/JackHaskel"]
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- ''2005-11-15 17:51:41'' [[nbsp]] You didn't pick up the phone, did you?? The person who answers that phone will die in seven days! --["AlphaDog"]	+ ''2005-11-15 17:51:41'' [[nbsp]] You didn't pick up the phone, did you?? The person who answers that phone will die in seven days! --["Users/AlphaDog"]
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- ''2006-01-04 18:21:30'' [[nbsp]] What's up with Delta? There's a sign on the door saying it's closed till further notice, but that they'll still be open from 8-10pm for people to play. --["JessicaLuedtke"]	+ ''2006-01-04 18:21:30'' [[nbsp]] What's up with Delta? There's a sign on the door saying it's closed till further notice, but that they'll still be open from 8-10pm for people to play. --["Users/JessicaLuedtke"]
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- ''2006-01-04 18:47:19'' [[nbsp]] Well the Irish music group plays Wednesday night. I'm sure it was just for today because Lee, the owner, and a few other Delta-ites just left for a month-long trip to Thailand today. It must have something to do with that. --["RobRoy"]	+ ''2006-01-04 18:47:19'' [[nbsp]] Well the Irish music group plays Wednesday night. I'm sure it was just for today because Lee, the owner, and a few other Delta-ites just left for a month-long trip to Thailand today. It must have something to do with that. --["Users/RobRoy"]
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- ''2006-02-19 15:41:46'' [[nbsp]] I've been to Delta of Venus once ... the entire reminds me of something beachy. It's like I'm waiting to look outside and see the ocean instead of cars zooming by. I have to say I like the people working there, and the setup of the menu and what's offered and all of that. I do think the management is entirely too laid back, though. While they have fan-freaking-tastic sandwiches, the fact that they only serve them at certain times is kinda B.S., as is the hours they're open. The food was a bit underwhelming as well. --["SaulSugarman"]	+ ''2006-02-19 15:41:46'' [[nbsp]] I've been to Delta of Venus once ... the entire reminds me of something beachy. It's like I'm waiting to look outside and see the ocean instead of cars zooming by. I have to say I like the people working there, and the setup of the menu and what's offered and all of that. I do think the management is entirely too laid back, though. While they have fan-freaking-tastic sandwiches, the fact that they only serve them at certain times is kinda B.S., as is the hours they're open. The food was a bit underwhelming as well. --["Users/SaulSugarman"]
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- ''2006-02-19 15:42:02'' [[nbsp]] I mean, it's good food, don't get me wrong, but for $8.50 I was expecting a bit more-- I got the Coconut Curry Chicken Stew. The texture of the stew itself tasted very homemade; like someone cooked up some Campbell's Select Mexican Soup and added chicken to it. I do love their sandwiches, though; a lot. In my limited experience, I don't reccomend this place as a study place. It seems to attract the pseudo-intellectual "I'm going to talk about nothing important loudly enough so everyone in the place can hear me talk about nothing important" types. I won't hesitate to return, I do like it, it's just not my favorite. --["SaulSugarman"]	+ ''2006-02-19 15:42:02'' [[nbsp]] I mean, it's good food, don't get me wrong, but for $8.50 I was expecting a bit more-- I got the Coconut Curry Chicken Stew. The texture of the stew itself tasted very homemade; like someone cooked up some Campbell's Select Mexican Soup and added chicken to it. I do love their sandwiches, though; a lot. In my limited experience, I don't reccomend this place as a study place. It seems to attract the pseudo-intellectual "I'm going to talk about nothing important loudly enough so everyone in the place can hear me talk about nothing important" types. I won't hesitate to return, I do like it, it's just not my favorite. --["Users/SaulSugarman"]
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- ''2006-03-06 19:32:14'' [[nbsp]] I'm a little pissed off about the recent price hike here. It would have been justified had they not axed the potatoes and toast that came with most breakfast items. Now the only item that I think is really a "deal" is the curry stew, which is quite good (and filling!) but always needs salt. --["AviBirns"]	+ ''2006-03-06 19:32:14'' [[nbsp]] I'm a little pissed off about the recent price hike here. It would have been justified had they not axed the potatoes and toast that came with most breakfast items. Now the only item that I think is really a "deal" is the curry stew, which is quite good (and filling!) but always needs salt. --["Users/AviBirns"]
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- ''2006-03-27 12:12:45'' [[nbsp]] I was in Delta Sunday and who is the new girl working there? She has longish brown hair and is really cute... I've only seen her on Sundays. Last Sunday she looked at me and smiled; I would have said "Hello" and asked her name, but the manager interrupted and ordered her back in the kitchen. --["JasonMyer"]	+ ''2006-03-27 12:12:45'' [[nbsp]] I was in Delta Sunday and who is the new girl working there? She has longish brown hair and is really cute... I've only seen her on Sundays. Last Sunday she looked at me and smiled; I would have said "Hello" and asked her name, but the manager interrupted and ordered her back in the kitchen. --["Users/JasonMyer"]
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- ''2006-06-28 23:08:28'' [[nbsp]] Their black iced tea is the best i've ever tasted. --["PattyLouieJunior"]	+ ''2006-06-28 23:08:28'' [[nbsp]] Their black iced tea is the best i've ever tasted. --["Users/PattyLouieJunior"]
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- ''2006-07-24 13:49:31'' [[nbsp]] Does anyone know the history of this establishment? I can only cover 2000-2006 ... --["ChristopherMckenzie"]	+ ''2006-07-24 13:49:31'' [[nbsp]] Does anyone know the history of this establishment? I can only cover 2000-2006 ... --["Users/ChristopherMckenzie"]
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- ''2006-08-17 18:51:24'' [[nbsp]] Is the name in reference to Anais Nin's Delta of Venus? --["EmyFargey"]	+ ''2006-08-17 18:51:24'' [[nbsp]] Is the name in reference to Anais Nin's Delta of Venus? --["Users/EmyFargey"]
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- ''2007-01-24 15:12:01'' [[nbsp]] Really delicious breakfasts. The toast is excellent. Family members swear by the breakfast burritos. I have never tried them but they look good. The wait staff are friendly and helpful. I have never had a bad experience eating here. --["AyjaySmith"]	+ ''2007-01-24 15:12:01'' [[nbsp]] Really delicious breakfasts. The toast is excellent. Family members swear by the breakfast burritos. I have never tried them but they look good. The wait staff are friendly and helpful. I have never had a bad experience eating here. --["Users/AyjaySmith"]
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- ''2007-01-31 11:54:10'' [[nbsp]] What the heck is up with delta being closed on sunday? I've been in Davis for almost ten years, and the sunday morning delta brunch was an institution in my book. Now there is no place decent to nurse a hangover on sunday morning. wtf? Please tell me that these hours are just for the cold winter months... --["MistressAlthaea"]	+ ''2007-01-31 11:54:10'' [[nbsp]] What the heck is up with delta being closed on sunday? I've been in Davis for almost ten years, and the sunday morning delta brunch was an institution in my book. Now there is no place decent to nurse a hangover on sunday morning. wtf? Please tell me that these hours are just for the cold winter months... --["Users/MistressAlthaea"]
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- ''2007-02-22 12:48:10'' [[nbsp]] Great vibe, great music. I like their sandwiches, but they are always out of bread in the afternoon. Always. --["BriannaBetancourt"]	+ ''2007-02-22 12:48:10'' [[nbsp]] Great vibe, great music. I like their sandwiches, but they are always out of bread in the afternoon. Always. --["Users/BriannaBetancourt"]
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- ''2007-03-03 00:08:00'' [[nbsp]] Delta needs scones. ''With'' gluten. --["ArlenAbraham"]	+ ''2007-03-03 00:08:00'' [[nbsp]] Delta needs scones. ''With'' gluten. --["Users/ArlenAbraham"]

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SunjeetBaadkar — 2008-08-05 20:03:31

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	+ + * I'm not one for complaining about employees that I may not like or have disagreements with because I understand most people depend on their job to live, but this employee obviously doesn't value her job at all if she treats customers like this. From your side of the story, it sounds like you didn't do anything wrong to cause her to act this way. I'd recommend making a formal complaint with the manager and/or owner. I'm wondering if there is some history between your family and this employee cause it seems like you had bad service from the start. --["Users/SunjeetBaadkar"]

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SarahRees — 2008-08-03 11:20:58

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	+ ------ + ''2008-08-03 12:20:58'' [[nbsp]] My family received absolutely appalling service when we came to Delta of Venus for breakfast 8/3/08. The service that was so bad that we do not intend to return to the Delta, despite having been weekly patron’s of it for over 7 years. + The young woman serving the front of the restaurant/cash register was rude and dismissive, obviously annoyed having to help us with our order. She got into an argument with my husband about our five year old son holding the front door open for a minute too long (she told us he, ”was old enough to know better” and suggested that we should keep better “control” of him!) + When our food was ready she slung it down on the table without a word. When we approached the counter to purchase additional items and coffee refills we had to call to her in the back of the restaurant multiple times before being served, despite the fact that we were the only two families present. + Things turned almost abusive from then on! When we asked for a to-go coffee cup it was slammed down on the counter with the message that we, “better put the glass cup away before leaving.” + As we left she shouted (actually shouted!), “thank god they are finally leaving.” When asked what had angered her so much, she told us that we had “left the table a mess” and failed to “leave a tip despite having spent $50.” We were outraged! If any restaurant employee was undeserving of a tip, it was her! The “mess” on the table was one coffee cup, all of the other items had been cleared. + When we informed her that we would never be returning to the Delta again after such abuse, she shouted that we “were not welcome” to return. She made certain that we will not do so ever again. We have never had such appalling service at a restaurant. --["Users/SarahRees"]

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JasonAller — 2008-07-23 19:04:07

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	+ ------ + ''2008-06-24 13:05:09'' [[nbsp]] I was just in and they said that they will be closing up at 2pm on Saturdays and Sundays. Can anyone confirm? --["Users/SunjeetBaadkar"]

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	+ ------ + ''2008-06-21 22:53:00'' [[nbsp]] Odd: We stopped by today around 8pm and the place was all closed up.... --["Users/Angel.York"]

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	+ ------ + ''2008-06-01 00:30:53'' [[nbsp]] I love this place! I had a veggie omelet but will come back again for something else. The people were friendly and I loved eating outside in the morning. --["Users/Esther"]

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JabberWokky — 2008-05-08 04:03:41

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- "We did have live music then, and (current owner) Lee among others, played on the "Willow Stage." In fact, I fell in love with my husband Roger when he sang and played a Leonard Cohen song on the guitar."	+ "We did have live music then, and (current owner) Lee among others, played on the "Willow Stage." In fact, I fell in love with my husband Roger when he sang and played a Leonard Cohen song on the guitar. We opened in January 1993. We had no espresso machine when we first opened. We served Sacramento Baking Company's wheat walnut bread. Hello to any original employees and customers! Thanks to Lee to continuing the dream and doing such a great job."
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- ["Smoking"] is clearly prohibited by ["Davis Municipal Code/34.02.010"] both inside and outside in the patio area. Yet, if there is one establishment of which you'll find smoking among the clientèle, it would be the Delta.	+ ["Smoking"] is clearly prohibited by ["Davis Municipal Code/34.02.010"] both inside and outside in the patio area. There is much discussion on ["/Smoking" the subject.]
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- In 1996, Ruth and Audrey sold the Delta to Marek Reavis and Susie Kong, who installed the front patio and deck, and began the trend of painting each dining room a different color. Two years later, the Delta was sold to Greg Didio and Willis Jones, who expanded the popular weekend brunch to seven days a week. In 2001, while living in the basement of the Turtle House, Lee Walthall bought the Delta of Venus with a small business loan and has been the proprietor since. Lee expanded the live music and DJ dance scene, added daily happy hour, and brought in his longtime friend Chef Iwaca to cook the Delta's famous Carribbean cuisine.	+ In 1996, Ruth and Audrey sold the Delta to Marek Reavis and Susie Kong, who installed the front patio and deck, and began the trend of painting each dining room a different color. Two years later, the Delta was sold to Greg Didio and Willis Jones, who expanded the popular weekend brunch to seven days a week. In 2001, while living in the basement of the ["Turtle House"], Lee Walthall bought the Delta of Venus with a small business loan and has been the proprietor since. Lee expanded the live music and DJ dance scene, added daily happy hour, and brought in his longtime friend Chef Iwaca to cook the Delta's famous Carribbean cuisine.

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- In 1996, Ruth and Audrey sold the Delta to Marek Reavis and Susie Kong, who installed the front patio and deck, and began the trend of painting each dining room a different color. Two years later, the Delta was sold to Greg Didio and Willis Jones, who expanded the popular weekend brunch to seven days a week. In 2001, neighbor and native son of Davis Lee Walthall bought the Delta with a small business loan and has been the proprietor since. Lee expanded the live music and dj dance scene, added daily happy hour, and brought in his longtime friend Chef Iwaca to cook the Delta's famous Carribbean cuisine.	+ In 1996, Ruth and Audrey sold the Delta to Marek Reavis and Susie Kong, who installed the front patio and deck, and began the trend of painting each dining room a different color. Two years later, the Delta was sold to Greg Didio and Willis Jones, who expanded the popular weekend brunch to seven days a week. In 2001, while living in the basement of the Turtle House, Lee Walthall bought the Delta of Venus with a small business loan and has been the proprietor since. Lee expanded the live music and DJ dance scene, added daily happy hour, and brought in his longtime friend Chef Iwaca to cook the Delta's famous Carribbean cuisine.
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- * I don't think any of the food is organic. It's really good food, but i don't think Sysco does much organic. -["Users/Pxlated"] - - ----- - The Jamacian chicken (Wed-Friday) is super-spicy, but not much else. Pricey for the quality of food and the quality of non-service. There were people smoking at the tables on both side of me. Illegal in California far as I know, and certainly obnoxious. When I ordered the guy stuck the tip jar in my face which I thought was tacky. Then, you bus your own table. Generally a no-class place. Apparently much loved by a certain subset of undergraduates, however. - ["GusTavo"] - * I find that there are more graduate students than undergrads that profess love for Delta. As far as the smoking thing, it can be allowed if it outside. Iwaca does make super spicey food. I eat at Delta about two to three times a week, just ask for a little less spice and it will suit you right. As far as the ''obnoxious'' of the smoking, although I am a non-smoker smoking is not an obnoxious act, complaining about someone smoking when you could eat inside is kind of obnoxious. But calling it a no-class place I take issue with. While you have the right to say that, I would look at the phrase ''no-class''. In-N-Out is no class. Burger King is no class. Delta is a different kind of class than you are used to. And really, the food there is best when it is from the vegetarian menu. I'd suggest going on a Thursday night when a folk artist is playing. Everyone will be having a good time. Iwaca will be in the kitchen and if you give another dish a chance I'm sure you'll like it. -["RobRoy"] - * I have to disagree with RobRoy. Smoking in an eating establishment is an obscenely obnoxious act. That's why it's illegal. I resent the idea that I should be shuffled off to some hot, stuffy, dark hole to eat, so that others patrons can pollute the air. Any eating establishment that has any respect for their customers would not allow it. Of course, the place would be out of business because it is a haven for obnoxiousness and caters to that particular quality. - - * Regarding Gustavo's comment. First, I must say that there are plenty of other establishments (the majority of) that do not allow smoking on an outside patio. Don't be greedy with the few places that allow smokers to feel at home. Second, Delta Venus is a hybrid of coffee shop and restaurant. Third, it seems to me that your perspective of Delta Venus is based on an entirely different set of expectations that the owners probably envisioned. - - Coffee shops of the Delta Venus's style were not places that took their inspiration from the larger culture of America. The culture surrounding the coffee shop is one where people of man different credos get to mingle and talk. It is a place where you can temporarily forget about the ideologies of the dominant culture. It is a place where you expect to meet people that are different, mysterious or alarming even. It is a place where street kids can express their opinions and where out-of-sync philosophers can let it all out. Class? We don't want the type of class you seem to be advocating; with all its sterility. With class even the refined aromas of delicate foods stink, because the common person must feel ashamed if they cannot appreciate it. Class? Fu. - - Coffee shops are the modern day town-hall or town square. (Other than the internet). A town-hall/town-square is a place where people can communicate with other people that they do not expressly know, and is also a place where they expect to run into this communication. Communication of ideas and information is vital to many things, but namely to Democracy. If coffee shops are to serve democracy as a medium for the exchange of ideas and information, then they must not be Classist. - - Delta Venus makes your food (really good food), brings out your food, and washes your plate and cup. Personally, I think that to want any more service than that then you are overindulging yourself. I am not saying anything about whether you were getting what you paid for, mind you. I’m saying that to want more is to be overindulgent. - - As far as price well, they have to make a profit.-["JoshuaLee"] - - * Well, that's all fine and good. But smoking is not necessary for any of that, and it's still foul-smelling, unhealthy, and obnoxious. -["PenguiN42"] -	+ * I don't think all of the food is organic. It's really good food, but i don't think Sysco does much organic. -["Users/Pxlated"]
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- ''2005-10-13 01:43:08'' [[nbsp]] Delta serves good food, and I like the no-busing policy - it reduces costs for everyone. But, you can't count on them having food when you want it ("Oh, the cook didn't show up today. Sorry.") and the smoking is just ridiculous. Smoking in public is incredibly selfish and obnoxious - it's one of the most obnoxious things one can do at a restaurant/cafe. It's like running a car engine and piping the exhaust directly to your table, and to your neighbors' tables. I called the Davis PD to ask how to get them to enforce the smoking ban, and they said to call them when you witness someone violating it. They'll send a cop over if First Northern isn't getting robbed at that particular moment. --["GrahamFreeman"] - ------ - ''2005-10-19 21:29:22'' [[nbsp]] Ok, so, I'm a smoker, and I do take care to not light up around people who may not smoke or directly in front of buildings, but I had no idea until I just looked up the ["Davis Municipal Code/34.02.010" Civil Code] (or whatever it's called) that smoking isn't allowed on outdoor patios in Davis. Maybe instead of getting pissed off about it, you should politely let the guy offending you know that it's illegal to smoke on the Delta patio. You could even play it off as if you're helping them out. I would rather be told by a seemingly well-meaning bystander that I might get in trouble than have the cops called any day. Seriously, don't you think that cops have more important things to do than ticket the guy offending you at a restaurant? --["SummerSong"] - * I'm sure that most smokers bear no malice when they light up - it's usually fairly compulsive, since most smokers are addicted. But your addiction is a threat to my health, and twice as much of a threat to children or dogs who might be with me. When faced with a threat to my health or the health of those in my care, I'm not going to take it lightly. That said, I've yet to call the cops on a smoker for smoking, and I may never do so. Most often, I move and/or don't return to that restaurant. Less often, I politely but firmly ask the smoker to stop or move. But I'm glad that the police option is there, and that it's becoming better-known. --["GrahamFreeman"] - ------ - ''2005-10-23 18:34:58'' [[nbsp]] And maybe instead of telling that person off, you should stop being a whiny ass or get the duck out of fodge. --["ApolloStumpy"] - * Or maybe smokers could pollute their own space and not force their deadly habit on unwilling bystanders. --["GrahamFreeman"] - ------
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- ''2007-07-27 12:18:22'' [[nbsp]] Come on now, people. Davis is full of cigarette Nazis. I understand that you don't like breathing smoke, but then, we smokers don't particularly enjoy being glared at as we walk down the street. At Delta all of the regulars smoke. To tell them to put it out, when they spend every paycheck here so that others, who come in maybe once every couple of months, can sit outside is what's obnoxious. For that matter, I'll tell you what else is obnoxious: the fact that yuppies and yuppie's rich children think that this town is there's. The farmers and the hippies were here first and, sorry, but we're going to keep the one patio we have left in Davis (RIP Roma.) As far as the city allowing it, when exactly was the last time you saw a cop at Delta? Please. --["Users/ElizabethJohnson"] - ------ - ''2007-07-29 16:32:11'' [[nbsp]] Elizabeth, I feel like I'm wasting time by responding to you, but I enjoy debate, so what the heck. - - The Nazis caused the deaths of approximately 10 million people whom they deemed to be sufficiently different from them as to be considered subhuman. In stark contrast, people who dislike smoking are trying to maintain decent living standards and minimize their chances of getting cancer. Nobody has suggested that smokers be forced to wear identifying armbands, be taken to death camps, or be subjected to torture and sadistic medical experiments. So, how is it that you see fit to equate anti-smokers with Nazis? - - With regard to the Delta being a safe haven for smokers, I can't see how it makes smart business sense to alienate people with kids, people with dogs, and other nonsmokers just so you don't have to inconvenience the tobacco companies' zombies. But hey, if you're speaking for Delta and you're saying that the outdoors seating is for those who don't mind a little lung cancer, I don't need to come in two or three times a month anymore. (Hmm, doesn't that make me a regular?) - - In your us vs. the world comments, you seem to be implying three things: (1) that everyone fits neatly into a given stereotype, and (2) that "farmers" and "hippies" are all smokers, and (3) smokers are oppressed. - - Well, let's start with #1 - your implication that everyone fits neatly into whatever stereotype you want to paint them with. You'd probably label me a "yuppie", because I'm a technology consultant, I wear clothes that facilitate my visits to my clients' offices, I drive a fairly modern car, and I no longer live cheque-to-cheque. However, reality is not that simple, as I was raised by "hippies" in a modest setting. (Well, a bunch of modest settings - we moved on average once per year until I was in high school.) For example, when I was young, an improvement in our financial situation meant that we upgraded from living in a tent to a shack with no insulation, inconsistent running water, and a bucket for a toilet. From there, we upgraded to the place that had running water (except when it was running mud in the winter) and a flush toilet, but still no insulation and a violent drug fiend neighbor who held a loaded shotgun to his wife's head in front of their kids, one of whom was a friend of mine. Please forgive me for not relishing a return to that reality, and for not appreciating your ignorant assumptions about my background. - - #2 - your implication that all farmers and "hippies" are smokers. Oh, please. That's just plainly false. - - #3 - your implication that smokers are oppressed. Other addicts whose addiction-influenced behaviour is also disruptive would probably make similar arguments. Do you think that heroin junkies are oppressed because they can't freely shoot up in public? Or that drunks are oppressed because they're not allowed to drive while drunk? I don't think so, and I and many others equate such things with smoking in public. - - Addiction is a powerful and terrible thing, and I do honestly feel bad for you that you're suffering under the thumb of one of the most powerfully addictive substances around. However, just as I don't pity my alcoholic uncle when he receives negative attention for indulging in his addiction in public, I don't pity you (or any other smoker) for being subjected to glares and other signs of disapproval when you indulge in your addiction in public - especially since anyone within 20 feet of you is forced to share in your deadly habit whether or not they want to. - - --["Users/GrahamFreeman"] - - * Go Graham! I believe that the people who profit off of cigarettes are most likely the yuppies everyone despises. I don't like government telling me what to put in or not put in my body, but I also don't like individuals forcing me to put stuff in my body. I don't like cigarette smoke when I eat. But, I'm not going tell someone to stop smoking at the last place in California where one can...I understand that. I just won't eat there. The farmers that were here first? I'm thinking of the Gibson family who owned everything from Dixon to Knight's landing and paid for the scalps of Native Americans. Do you mean those farmers? Or maybe the farmers who ran this town during the first half of the 20th century and did not allow blacks to own property until the late 1960's. Maybe the one farmer who burned a cross on the first black professors lawn? Those hippies that were here first? Guess what? They passed those smoking bans! But they also built Village Homes. Go figure. Please stop romanticizing the history and people of Davis. Davis is what it is today, the good and the bad, because of the farmers and the hippies - ["JamesSchwab"] - ------ - ''2007-08-04 16:52:52'' [[nbsp]] I'm not a smoker but I am happy that other people are allowed to smoke on the patio at Delta of Venus. I enjoy the social atmosphere created in cigarette smoking zones. Everyone is just hanging out and being friendly while taking a break from whatever is they normally do. Its a comfortable environment which I have enjoyed my whole life, despite the fact that I have never personally enjoyed smoking cigarettes. - - Also, I really don't think its realistic to say that you are going to get cancer because you sit 20 feet away from a smoker for 20 minutes while you eat lunch once a week. There is lots of seating in the outside area of delta that is far away from the smoking section. Can't everyone coexist? --["Users/SolomonBothwell"] - ------ - ''2007-08-05 14:52:28'' [[nbsp]] Solomon, I admit to having been melodramatic for the sake of illustrating my point when I referred to people who "don't mind a little lung cancer." Obviously nobody's going to get cancer from a singlehand secondhand exposure to a low-intensity carcinogen. However, it's indisputable that exposure to secondhand cigarette smoke '''increases the risk''' of cancer, and the fact that other people feel entitled to impose upon me that increased risk is what gets my goat. - - As far as socializing is concerned, you're saying that you're OK with this increased risk of cancer as the cost of participating in that particular social scene. I've never had any trouble finding great people to socialize with in the complete absence of cigarettes, but that's your choice, and I respect that. Don't impose your choice on me in public spaces. If I come to your house, and your other guests are smoking, obviously I have to put up with it or leave. That's not true at a business (such as Delta) that offers services to the public in the city of Davis. In such a setting, the citizens have agreed upon a law that requires smokers to stay at least 20 feet away from doors and windows. - --["Users/Graham.Freeman"] - * I agree with Graham that the law is the law and laws are passed and enforced for reasons. That said, I believe that it is a business's prerogative as to what extent it abides by these laws, much the same as it is a citizen's prerogative as to what extent he/she abides by the legal speed limit. Just as second hand smoke ''increases'' the risk of cancer, excessive speeding ''increases'' the risk of car accidents. If a place like Delta wants to be lenient on smoking, that is ownerships' decision, and they can deal with the consequences if the police or health department ever choose to enforce these laws. (Much the same as police "choose" to enforce speeding laws.) - - [[nbsp]][[nbsp]] Also, I think Graham's "house" argument is flawed. Just because Delta provides services to the public, that doesn't make Delta a public space; it's a private business and someone—not the state or the city—is paying rent to use the property. It can choose to close to the public and hold private functions at anytime, it can remove a patron at will by claiming said patron is trespassing, and to be sure, it can choose (at their own risk) to look the other way when smokers light up. - - [[nbsp]][[nbsp]] Look, I'm not a smoker, and I'm not a big fan of cigarette smoke either. But if secondhand smoke in an outdoor space like Delta (or even some of the local bars) is a person's concern, if you think about it, if the smoking ban was enforced, there would merely be hordes of people smoking in the parking lot or on the sidewalk ''directly adjacent'' to the patio, so you'd be exposed to the smoke regardless. At the very least, if smoking is allowed on the premises, the business can control the litter and eyesore of huge congresses of smokers loitering about. Better than having cigarette butts strewn about the streets and sidewalks. --["BriannaBetancourt"] - - * Yes it is a business, and not a public place. However, the law is actually in place to protect the employees from poor working conditions. It is not for the customers. After all the customer can choose not to go there. However, every employer must provide safe working conditions for its employees regardless of whether the business is private or public. ["users/MattHh"] - - * This is a poor argument considering the staff work primarily inside the building. The smoking section only has chairs so there is no reason for them to have to walk through it to serve food. --["users/SolomonBothwell"] - - * Not quite sure if I understand you, Solomon. Wouldn't staff still be potentially walking thru smoke when serving customers outside? I've walked thru plenty of smoke in front of Delta. I don't really see how chairs make a difference? - To the general debate, I'd also like to point out that cigarette smoke causes a lot more issues than just cancer. I don't want to lecture, the hazards are widely advertised, but let me refer to one small, but very common, side effect. Second hand smoke accelerates a lot of allergies. I experience that a lot and it sucks. --["JeffTolentino"] - - ------
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- '''Delta of Venus''' is sort of the ["Hippies" hippie] coffee shop of Davis. It's actually a restaurant too with a full food menu (see below). It sort of runs by its own rules. The people who work there are laid back, so leave your attitude at the door. There's ["WiFi Hot Spots" wireless Internet]... woo! A pretty conducive ["Study Spots" study] environment during the day. Interestingly they also have a fireplace and a bunch of books (including "Revolution In The Head" by Ian Macdonald) you can browse through. - - All coffee/espresso is from the ["Pachamama Coffee Cooperative"].	+ '''Delta of Venus''' is an independent coffee shop, restaurant and pub in downtown Davis. In addition to coffee and espresso drinks, the Delta serves food all day for ["vegan" vegans], ["Vegetarian Options" vegetarians], and non-vegetarians. It also serves a range of beer and wine (and mimosas!). There's ["WiFi Hot Spots" wireless Internet] and a pretty conducive ["Study Spots" study] environment during the day. There is also a fireplace and a bunch of books (including "Revolution In The Head" by Ian Macdonald) you can browse through. + + The Delta serves organic, fair trade coffee from Davis' own ["Pachamama Coffee Cooperative"], organic tofu from Sacramento Tofu Co., and fresh bread from Davis' Village Bakery and Sacramento Baking Co.
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- They have a really nice patio area that's great for sitting and shooting the breeze. The ["Downtown Phone 9" payphone of Venus] was on the Delta patio until mid 2007 and rang frequently, but was almost always dead air. The place has a social atmosphere. They serve ["coffee"], and is the only other ["Cafes" cafe] besides Mishka's to serve ["alcohol"], as well. Delta also has a lot of ["food"], much of which is ["vegan"] or ["Vegetarian Options" vegetarian] -- and really good! I don't know if it's a place to study, but it's certainly a place for friends and good times.	+ There is a really nice outdoor patio area that's great for sitting and shooting the breeze. The place has a social atmosphere, and is the only other ["Cafes" cafe] besides Mishka's to serve ["alcohol"]. It's a place for friends and good times.
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- ["Smoking"] is clearly prohibited by ["Davis Municipal Code/34.02.010"] both inside and outside in the patio area. Yet, if there is one establishment of which you'll find smokers among the clientele, it would be the Delta. - - Live music was part of the Delta from the start, but has been off and on over the years. They began in 2004 to again feature live, free, and all ages music every Thursday and Friday night starting at 8 pm. Thanks to local favorites the ["Mad Cow String Band"] this scene quickly became a hot-bed for acoustic talent, establishing itself as one of the best kept secrets in Northern CA live music. The Mad Cow boys started pickin' and playing on Thursdays and it became their official "home venue". The wonderful Jolie Holland played to packed crowds at the Delta for a month of Fridays in April and other past notable performers include Sean Hayes, Hillstomp, Alkali Flats, ["Garrett Pierce"], The Zim Zims, Tom Brosseau, Last of the Blacksmiths, Obo Martin and Iron and the Albatross. See the list of ["Delta of Venus/Past Performers" past performers] at the Delta. - - Delta has now moved its show nights over to Saturdays and Sundays, with Monday through Friday shows still going down on a case by case basis. In addition to the folk foundations set by ["Michael Leahy"], Delta keeps a varied cast of rock, hip-hop, experimental, electronic... actually it's not worth listing them off as there are so many genres, some of which don't have names yet. Almost all of the booking (except for happy hour) is done by ["KDVS"]. The continuing "KDVS Presents..." shows were started by ["KDVS DJs" KDVS DJ] ["BrendanBoyle"].	+ ["Smoking"] is clearly prohibited by ["Davis Municipal Code/34.02.010"] both inside and outside in the patio area. Yet, if there is one establishment of which you'll find smoking among the clientèle, it would be the Delta. + + Live music has been an important element of Delta of Venus from the start, with historic past performances by Jolie Holland, Ozomatli, Fred Frith, Jason Webley, Brightblack Morninglight, and many others. In 2004, ["KDVS DJs" KDVS DJ] ["Michael Leahy"] began his now famous "Down at the Delta" folk series, featuring local favorites the ["Mad Cow String Band"], as well as regional and national touring acts such as Sean Hayes, Hillstomp, The Devil Makes Three, Tom Brousseau, Obo Martin, and Iron and the Albatross. This scene quickly established itself as one of the best kept secrets in Northern CA live music. In 2005, ["KDVS DJs" KDVS DJ] ["BrendanBoyle"] started the continuing "KDVS Presents..." shows, featuring independent touring acts of wide acclaim and variety. See the list of ["Delta of Venus/Past Performers" past performers] at the Delta.
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- - The Delta is actually a hybrid restaurant and coffeehouse. Studiers and other people who just want to linger over a cup of coffee are welcome, but, there is a big selection of hot and cold food if you want it, which varies by time of day and day of the week (be sure to know the schedule if you plan to come for something specific to avoid disappointment). - There are many vegetarian and vegan options. The most distinctive offering is the Caribbean menu, offered weekday evenings. Brunch is available daily. All the eggs are cooked in vegetable oil not butter, so they won't taste right if you are a purist about eggs; despite that, the brunch menu is praised by many comments below. - - See ["/Menu" the menu] for full details.	+ The Delta is actually a hybrid restaurant and coffeehouse. Studiers and other people who just want to linger over a cup of coffee are welcome, but there is a big selection of hot and cold food if you want it, which varies by time of day and day of the week (be sure to know the schedule if you plan to come for something specific to avoid disappointment). + + There are many vegetarian and vegan options. The most distinctive offering is the Caribbean menu, offered weekday evenings. Brunch is available seven day a week. See ["/Menu" the menu] for full details.
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- - ["Users/RuthFankushen" Ruth Fankushen] writes, "Delta of Venus was named not for the book (although the title was definitely taken into consideration). Instead, we (myself and my friend Audrey Park, co-creator) thought of how delta can mean "change" and that Venus conjures images of love. We wanted to create "a change toward a more loving time". We wanted everyone to feel comfortable at D.O.V. We were inspired by the Saturn Cafe of Santa Cruz and other cafes in San Francisco and Seattle. - - "We did have live music then, and Lee among others, played on the "Willow Stage." In fact, I fell in love with my husband Roger when he sang and played a Leonard Cohen song on the guitar. We opened in January 1993. We had no espresso machine when we first opened. We served Sacramento Baking Company's wheat walnut bread. Hello to any original employees and customers! Thanks to Lee to continuing the dream and doing such a great job."	+ Delta of Venus was opened in January 1993 by ["Users/RuthFankushen" Ruth Fankushen] and Audrey Park. There was no espresso machine, just brewed coffee, wheat walnut bread, and live music on the tiny "Willow Stage" in one corner. Fifteen years later, it has become a Davis institution. There have been three changes of ownership in that time, but the overall "vibe" of the place has remained same, true to the original vision of Ruth and Audrey. + + Ruth writes: "We thought of how Delta can mean 'change' and that Venus conjures images of love...we wanted to create 'a change toward a more loving time.' We wanted everyone to feel comfortable at D.O.V. Delta of Venus was named not for the book (although the title was definitely taken into consideration)...we were inspired by the Saturn Cafe of Santa Cruz and other cafes in San Francisco and Seattle." + + "We did have live music then, and (current owner) Lee among others, played on the "Willow Stage." In fact, I fell in love with my husband Roger when he sang and played a Leonard Cohen song on the guitar." + + In 1996, Ruth and Audrey sold the Delta to Marek Reavis and Susie Kong, who installed the front patio and deck, and began the trend of painting each dining room a different color. Two years later, the Delta was sold to Greg Didio and Willis Jones, who expanded the popular weekend brunch to seven days a week. In 2001, neighbor and native son of Davis Lee Walthall bought the Delta with a small business loan and has been the proprietor since. Lee expanded the live music and dj dance scene, added daily happy hour, and brought in his longtime friend Chef Iwaca to cook the Delta's famous Carribbean cuisine.

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- ["Users/RuthFankushen"] writes, "Delta of Venus was named not for the book (although the title was definitely taken into consideration). Instead, we (myself and my friend Audrey Park, co-creator) thought of how delta can mean "change" and that Venus conjures images of love. We wanted to create "a change toward a more loving time". We wanted everyone to feel comfortable at D.O.V. We were inspired by the Saturn Cafe of Santa Cruz and other cafes in San Francisco and Seattle.	+ ["Users/RuthFankushen" Ruth Fankushen] writes, "Delta of Venus was named not for the book (although the title was definitely taken into consideration). Instead, we (myself and my friend Audrey Park, co-creator) thought of how delta can mean "change" and that Venus conjures images of love. We wanted to create "a change toward a more loving time". We wanted everyone to feel comfortable at D.O.V. We were inspired by the Saturn Cafe of Santa Cruz and other cafes in San Francisco and Seattle.

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- The Delta began in 2004 to feature live, free, and all ages music every Thursday and Friday night starting at 8 pm. Thanks to local favorites the ["Mad Cow String Band"] this scene quickly became a hot-bed for acoustic talent, establishing itself as one of the best kept secrets in Northern CA live music. The Mad Cow boys started pickin' and playing on Thursdays and it became their official "home venue". The wonderful Jolie Holland played to packed crowds at the Delta for a month of Fridays in April and other past notable performers include Sean Hayes, Hillstomp, Alkali Flats, ["Garrett Pierce"], The Zim Zims, Tom Brosseau, Last of the Blacksmiths, Obo Martin and Iron and the Albatross. See the list of ["Delta of Venus/Past Performers" past performers] at the Delta.	+ Live music was part of the Delta from the start, but has been off and on over the years. They began in 2004 to again feature live, free, and all ages music every Thursday and Friday night starting at 8 pm. Thanks to local favorites the ["Mad Cow String Band"] this scene quickly became a hot-bed for acoustic talent, establishing itself as one of the best kept secrets in Northern CA live music. The Mad Cow boys started pickin' and playing on Thursdays and it became their official "home venue". The wonderful Jolie Holland played to packed crowds at the Delta for a month of Fridays in April and other past notable performers include Sean Hayes, Hillstomp, Alkali Flats, ["Garrett Pierce"], The Zim Zims, Tom Brosseau, Last of the Blacksmiths, Obo Martin and Iron and the Albatross. See the list of ["Delta of Venus/Past Performers" past performers] at the Delta.
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	+ ------ + ''2008-01-23 11:26:59'' [[nbsp]] To clear up a few questions: + + Delta of Venus was named not for the book (although the title was definitely taken into consideration). Instead, we (myself and my friend Audrey Park, co-creator) thought of how delta can mean "change" and that Venus conjures images of love. We wanted to create "a change toward a more loving time". We wanted everyone to feel comfortable at D.O.V. We were inspired by the Saturn Cafe of Santa Cruz and other cafes in San Francisco and Seattle. + + We did have live music then, and Lee among others, played on the "Willow Stage." In fact, I fell in love with my husband Roger when he sang and played a Leonard Cohen song on the guitar. We opened in January 1993. We had no espresso machine when we first opened. We served Sacramento Baking Company's wheat walnut bread. Hello to any original employees and customers! Thanks to Lee to continuing the dream and doing such a great job. --["Users/RuthFankushen"]

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EricRedpath — 2007-11-01 22:13:22

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- if you don't like smoke, politely as people to not smoke near you.	+ if you don't like smoke, politely ask people to not smoke near you.

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AlexMandel — 2007-10-30 01:16:38

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	+ ------ + ''2007-10-30 02:16:38'' [[nbsp]] Anyone know what's up with the not so working wifi these days? --["Users/AlexMandel"]

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DougWalter — 2007-10-22 21:30:26

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	+ * Actually, it was Marek, not Mark. He had been Marketing Director at the ["Davis Food Co-op"]. He sold ownership to two men (names escape me) and they ran it for several years until Lee W. bought it. I forgot about the door being to the left (and 90 degrees off) from the current location. --["Users/DougWalter"]

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EricRedpath — 2007-10-22 15:46:44

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	+ ------ + ''2007-10-22 16:46:44'' [[nbsp]] dear delta non-smokers, + if you don't like smoke, politely as people to not smoke near you. + + dear delta smokers, + please be nice and stop smoking if someone asks, or else i will make you. + + love, + eric --["Users/EricRedpath"]

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Graham.Freeman — 2007-10-22 12:36:00

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- ''2006-05-26 04:09:56'' [[nbsp]]The Delta of Venus has gone through in the past year and a half or so a sad transformation. This is signified most obviously by the removal of the Delta of Venus sign in front. Inside, the atmosphere has changed as well. As I discovered recently while ordering and eating breakfast. I hadn't been in for a while, but remembered a friendly atmosphere, exchanging pleasantries with staff, in a natural way. There is a new contingent of staff and their conversation now is much more focused, akin to that encountered in most corporate fast food joints, i.e., formulaic. Even though the place was empty, the focus was on efficiency of taking my order, under the watchful eye of whom I can only presume was the manager sitting at a table in the dining area. My meal was served and I made some comment to the waitress about how this seemed much more like a fastfood place than in days past and she cut her eyes at the manager with her back to him and said nothing. As I say, the emphasis is on "fast" as in keep the customers moving. I'd been reading a newspaper and left it on the table to go get my utensils, ketchup and stuff. When I got back the manager had picked my newspaper up off the table and was going to do something I know not what with it, throw it away, read it? So I mentioned I wasn't through reading it and he gracelessly handed it back. But the spirit of Aphrodite, see sign below, yet graces the place...if you read between the lines! - [[Image(delta.jpg, 300, right)]] - --["WilyFerret"] - - ------ - ''2006-05-26 04:09:56'' [[nbsp]] Wily's comment is hilarious. sorry we (the delta staff) are too busy to entertain you... wah wah wah. and if you thought we were EVER interesting or witty, i apologize for letting our standards slip. we usually have a pretty intense screening process for potential employees (do you have tattoos? what's your record collection like? how rudely can you throw away a customers newspaper? have you traveled extensively in thailand? etc.) as far as this mysterious manager (me i hope)? i think we find enough time to slack off just fine. corporate fast-food scene??! --["EricRedpath"] - -----------

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CovertProfessor — 2007-10-22 09:55:09

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JasonDunne — 2007-10-22 08:00:00

Revert to version 232 (don't delete other's comments).

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	+ ''2006-05-26 04:09:56'' [[nbsp]]The Delta of Venus has gone through in the past year and a half or so a sad transformation. This is signified most obviously by the removal of the Delta of Venus sign in front. Inside, the atmosphere has changed as well. As I discovered recently while ordering and eating breakfast. I hadn't been in for a while, but remembered a friendly atmosphere, exchanging pleasantries with staff, in a natural way. There is a new contingent of staff and their conversation now is much more focused, akin to that encountered in most corporate fast food joints, i.e., formulaic. Even though the place was empty, the focus was on efficiency of taking my order, under the watchful eye of whom I can only presume was the manager sitting at a table in the dining area. My meal was served and I made some comment to the waitress about how this seemed much more like a fastfood place than in days past and she cut her eyes at the manager with her back to him and said nothing. As I say, the emphasis is on "fast" as in keep the customers moving. I'd been reading a newspaper and left it on the table to go get my utensils, ketchup and stuff. When I got back the manager had picked my newspaper up off the table and was going to do something I know not what with it, throw it away, read it? So I mentioned I wasn't through reading it and he gracelessly handed it back. But the spirit of Aphrodite, see sign below, yet graces the place...if you read between the lines! + [[Image(delta.jpg, 300, right)]] + --["WilyFerret"] + + ------ + ''2006-05-26 04:09:56'' [[nbsp]] Wily's comment is hilarious. sorry we (the delta staff) are too busy to entertain you... wah wah wah. and if you thought we were EVER interesting or witty, i apologize for letting our standards slip. we usually have a pretty intense screening process for potential employees (do you have tattoos? what's your record collection like? how rudely can you throw away a customers newspaper? have you traveled extensively in thailand? etc.) as far as this mysterious manager (me i hope)? i think we find enough time to slack off just fine. corporate fast-food scene??! --["EricRedpath"]

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JasonDunne — 2007-10-22 00:30:40

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- The Delta features live FREE and all ages music every Thursday and Friday night starting at 8 pm . Thanks to local favorites the ["Mad Cow String Band"] this scene has quickly become a hot-bed for acoustic talent, it has established itself as one of the best kept secrets in Northern CA live music. The Mad Cow boys started pickin' and playing on Thursdays over 2 years ago and it has become their official "home venue". The wonderful Jolie Holland played to packed crowds at the Delta for a month of Fridays in April and other past notable performers include, Sean Hayes, Hillstomp, Alkali Flats, ["Garrett Pierce"], The Zim Zims, Tom Brosseau, Last of the Blacksmiths, Obo Martin and Iron and the Albatross. See the list of ["Delta of Venus/Past Performers" past performers] at the Delta.	+ The Delta began in 2004 to feature live, free, and all ages music every Thursday and Friday night starting at 8 pm. Thanks to local favorites the ["Mad Cow String Band"] this scene quickly became a hot-bed for acoustic talent, establishing itself as one of the best kept secrets in Northern CA live music. The Mad Cow boys started pickin' and playing on Thursdays and it became their official "home venue". The wonderful Jolie Holland played to packed crowds at the Delta for a month of Fridays in April and other past notable performers include Sean Hayes, Hillstomp, Alkali Flats, ["Garrett Pierce"], The Zim Zims, Tom Brosseau, Last of the Blacksmiths, Obo Martin and Iron and the Albatross. See the list of ["Delta of Venus/Past Performers" past performers] at the Delta. + + Delta has now moved its show nights over to Saturdays and Sundays, with Monday through Friday shows still going down on a case by case basis. In addition to the folk foundations set by ["Michael Leahy"], Delta keeps a varied cast of rock, hip-hop, experimental, electronic... actually it's not worth listing them off as there are so many genres, some of which don't have names yet. Almost all of the booking (except for happy hour) is done by ["KDVS"]. The continuing "KDVS Presents..." shows were started by ["KDVS DJs" KDVS DJ] ["BrendanBoyle"].

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JasonDunne — 2007-10-21 23:39:11

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JasonDunne — 2007-10-21 23:37:26

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JasonDunne — 2007-10-21 23:36:42

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JabberWokky — 2007-10-21 11:28:48

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AlanMiller — 2007-10-20 17:02:37

Delta Extended their hours!

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- ''2006-05-26 04:09:56'' [[nbsp]]The Delta of Venus has gone through in the past year and a half or so a sad transformation. This is signified most obviously by the removal of the Delta of Venus sign in front. Inside, the atmosphere has changed as well. As I discovered recently while ordering and eating breakfast. I hadn't been in for a while, but remembered a friendly atmosphere, exchanging pleasantries with staff, in a natural way. There is a new contingent of staff and their conversation now is much more focused, akin to that encountered in most corporate fast food joints, i.e., formulaic. Even though the place was empty, the focus was on efficiency of taking my order, under the watchful eye of whom I can only presume was the manager sitting at a table in the dining area. My meal was served and I made some comment to the waitress about how this seemed much more like a fastfood place than in days past and she cut her eyes at the manager with her back to him and said nothing. As I say, the emphasis is on "fast" as in keep the customers moving. I'd been reading a newspaper and left it on the table to go get my utensils, ketchup and stuff. When I got back the manager had picked my newspaper up off the table and was going to do something I know not what with it, throw it away, read it? So I mentioned I wasn't through reading it and he gracelessly handed it back. But the spirit of Aphrodite, see sign above, yet graces the place...if you read between the lines!	+ ''2006-05-26 04:09:56'' [[nbsp]]The Delta of Venus has gone through in the past year and a half or so a sad transformation. This is signified most obviously by the removal of the Delta of Venus sign in front. Inside, the atmosphere has changed as well. As I discovered recently while ordering and eating breakfast. I hadn't been in for a while, but remembered a friendly atmosphere, exchanging pleasantries with staff, in a natural way. There is a new contingent of staff and their conversation now is much more focused, akin to that encountered in most corporate fast food joints, i.e., formulaic. Even though the place was empty, the focus was on efficiency of taking my order, under the watchful eye of whom I can only presume was the manager sitting at a table in the dining area. My meal was served and I made some comment to the waitress about how this seemed much more like a fastfood place than in days past and she cut her eyes at the manager with her back to him and said nothing. As I say, the emphasis is on "fast" as in keep the customers moving. I'd been reading a newspaper and left it on the table to go get my utensils, ketchup and stuff. When I got back the manager had picked my newspaper up off the table and was going to do something I know not what with it, throw it away, read it? So I mentioned I wasn't through reading it and he gracelessly handed it back. But the spirit of Aphrodite, see sign below, yet graces the place...if you read between the lines!

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- --["BrianElsasser"] - - ------ - ''2006-05-26 04:09:56'' [[nbsp]] BrianElsasser's comment is hilarious. sorry we (the delta staff) are too busy to entertain you... wah wah wah. and if you thought we were EVER interesting or witty, i apologize for letting our standards slip. we usually have a pretty intense screening process for potential employees (do you have tattoos? what's your record collection like? how rudely can you throw away a customers newspaper? have you traveled extensively in thailand? etc.) as far as this mysterious manager (me i hope)? i think we find enough time to slack off just fine. corporate fast-food scene??! --["EricRedpath"]	+ [[Image(delta.jpg, 300, right)]] + --["WilyFerret"] + + ------ + ''2006-05-26 04:09:56'' [[nbsp]] Wily's comment is hilarious. sorry we (the delta staff) are too busy to entertain you... wah wah wah. and if you thought we were EVER interesting or witty, i apologize for letting our standards slip. we usually have a pretty intense screening process for potential employees (do you have tattoos? what's your record collection like? how rudely can you throw away a customers newspaper? have you traveled extensively in thailand? etc.) as far as this mysterious manager (me i hope)? i think we find enough time to slack off just fine. corporate fast-food scene??! --["EricRedpath"]

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CovertProfessor — 2007-10-15 21:16:57

Revert to version 219 (We've been over this before, wf -- stop deleting other people's comments).

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- 2007-01-31 11:54:10'' [[nbsp]] What the heck is up with delta being closed on sunday? I've been in Davis for almost ten years, and the sunday morning delta brunch was an institution in my book. Now there is no place decent to nurse a hangover on sunday morning. wtf? Please tell me that these hours are just for the cold winter months... --["MistressAlthaea"]	+ Hey, Deltoids! Bring Back The Delta Sign Already! It was a unique and cool way of saying "Davis" better than + a lot of the anal-retentive signs and outdoor decor around now... + --Wily Ferret + ------ + ''2007-01-31 11:54:10'' [[nbsp]] What the heck is up with delta being closed on sunday? I've been in Davis for almost ten years, and the sunday morning delta brunch was an institution in my book. Now there is no place decent to nurse a hangover on sunday morning. wtf? Please tell me that these hours are just for the cold winter months... --["MistressAlthaea"]

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- ''2006-05-26 04:09:56'' [[nbsp]]The Delta of Venus has gone through in the past year and a half or so a sad transformation. This is signified most obviously by the removal of the Delta of Venus sign in front. Inside, the atmosphere has changed as well. As I discovered recently while ordering and eating breakfast. I hadn't been in for a while, but remembered a friendly atmosphere, exchanging pleasantries with staff, in a natural way. There is a new contingent of staff and their conversation now is much more focused, akin to that encountered in most corporate fast food joints, i.e., formulaic. Even though the place was empty, the focus was on efficiency of taking my order, under the watchful eye of whom I can only presume was the manager sitting at a table in the dining area. My meal was served and I made some comment to the waitress about how this seemed much more like a fastfood place than in days past and she cut her eyes at the manager with her back to him and said nothing. As I say, the emphasis is on "fast" as in keep the customers moving. I'd been reading a newspaper and left it on the table to go get my utensils, ketchup and stuff. When I got back the manager had picked my newspaper up off the table and was going to do something I know not what with it, throw it away, read it? So I mentioned I wasn't through reading it and he gracelessly handed it back. A far cry from the Delta of Venus scene when Aphrodite graced the half-shell on the sign in front. - --["BrianElsasser"] - - ------ - ''2006-05-26 04:09:56'' [[nbsp]] BrianElsasser's comment is hilarious. sorry we (the delta staff) are too busy to entertain you... wah wah wah. and if you thought we were EVER interesting or witty, i apologize for letting our standards slip. we usually have a pretty intense screening process for potential employees (do you have tattoos? what's your record collection like? how rudely can you throw away a customers newspaper? have you traveled extensively in thailand? etc.) as far as this mysterious manager (me i hope)? i think we find enough time to slack off just fine. corporate fast-food scene??! --["EricRedpath"] - -----------
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- Hey, Deltoids! Bring Back The Delta Sign Already! It was a unique and cool way of saying "Davis" better than - a lot of the anal-retentive signs and outdoor decor around now... - --Wily Ferret - ------ - ''2007-01-31 11:54:10'' [[nbsp]] What the heck is up with delta being closed on sunday? I've been in Davis for almost ten years, and the sunday morning delta brunch was an institution in my book. Now there is no place decent to nurse a hangover on sunday morning. wtf? Please tell me that these hours are just for the cold winter months... --["MistressAlthaea"]	+ 2007-01-31 11:54:10'' [[nbsp]] What the heck is up with delta being closed on sunday? I've been in Davis for almost ten years, and the sunday morning delta brunch was an institution in my book. Now there is no place decent to nurse a hangover on sunday morning. wtf? Please tell me that these hours are just for the cold winter months... --["MistressAlthaea"]

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- ''2007-10-13 14:51:42'' [[nbsp]] Amazing cheese omelets, especially with both jack and cheddar. I eat there every morning, the eggs are far better than e.g. baker's square. (For some reason, Baker's Square uses fake eggs, or seemingly fake eggs.) It's a great place to study when you get the large coffee: free refills! --["Users/AlexNelson"]	+ ''2007-10-13 14:51:42'' [[nbsp]] Amazing cheese omelets, especially with both jack and cheddar. I eat there every morning, the eggs are far better than e.g. baker's square. (For some reason, Baker's Square uses fake eggs, or seemingly fake eggs.) It's a great place to study when you get the large coffee: free refills! They're coffee is great, full of flavor. Davis is the capital of great coffee in California. --["Users/AlexNelson"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-10-13 14:51:42'' [[nbsp]] Amazing cheese omelets, especially with both jack and cheddar. I eat there every morning, the eggs are far better than e.g. baker's square. (For some reason, Baker's Square uses fake eggs, or seemingly fake eggs.) It's a great place to study when you get the large coffee: free refills! --["Users/AlexNelson"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-10-04 20:57:34'' [[nbsp]] History: 1993 approx to 1996 was run by a woman named Ruth. 1996 to 1997 was run by a man named Mark. During that time the door was to the left of where it is now, but Tues and Thursday noon concerts were held by various local groups, Diana Patterson Sextet. Essentially the same clientel of that era, and I agree a nice place to jaunt off campus for coffee and a bagel. Lots of characters there always, on both sides of the counter. --["Users/swanson"]

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- '''Delta of Venus''' is sort of the ["Hippies" hippie] coffee shop of Davis. It's actually a restaurant too with a full food menu (see below). It sort of runs by its own rules. The people who work there are laid back, so leave your attitude at the door. There's ["WiFi Hot Spots" wireless Internet]... woo! A pretty conducive ["Study Spots" study] environment during the day. Interestingly they also have a fireplace and a bunch of books (including Bukowski) you can browse through.	+ '''Delta of Venus''' is sort of the ["Hippies" hippie] coffee shop of Davis. It's actually a restaurant too with a full food menu (see below). It sort of runs by its own rules. The people who work there are laid back, so leave your attitude at the door. There's ["WiFi Hot Spots" wireless Internet]... woo! A pretty conducive ["Study Spots" study] environment during the day. Interestingly they also have a fireplace and a bunch of books (including "Revolution In The Head" by Ian Macdonald) you can browse through.

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	+ ------ + ''2007-09-12 00:35:35'' [[nbsp]] I've been here twice now. Once for brunch on Sunday, which was great. I had a very good cup of coffee and a mimosa, with great OJ, in a pint glass! I had a breakfast burrito, which was good, except for the fact that it was full of big hunks of onion (which I don't like) and I'm pretty sure the list of ingredients didn't include onions. Maybe they were in the salsa, though. Anyway, I'm used to extracting onions from things before I eat them, so no biggie. My friend had the scrambled eggs with pesto - that was great. I am picky about homefries, and I thought theirs were very good, soft in the middle and crispy-charry on the outside with plenty of seasoning, but not overly salty. The toast was to die for. Really, I would go back and just order toast. 2 coffees, 1 mimosa and two breakfasts so large that neither of us could finish = $22+tip. That seemed very reasonable to me, but I'm used to San Francisco prices. I loved the quiet, relaxed atmosphere on the patio and there were a few people smoking, but none close enough to bug me. The girl who took my order was friendly and the guy in the kitchen smiled. + + The second time I went to work on my laptop for a few hours on an early-September weekday afternoon. I find that I concentrate better when it's kinda noisy and chaotic around me, and this was perfect for that. The music was loud and often the rasta-guy in the kitchen was singing (better than I can, we'll just leave it at that) louder than the reggae that was blaring, and I could hear the conversations of people around me (phone and otherwise.) Perfect for me, but if you like a quiet environment for working or studying, then this is probably not the place for you. I couldn't connect to the in-house wireless network, but I got on the Aggie Inn's network just fine. I ordered a mixed greens salad with blue cheese and artichoke hearts. It was very good, veggies were tasty, crisp, and fresh and came with plenty of (unexpected) very good bread. I also, at the recommendation of a previous poster, ordered the black iced tea, and it was delicious! Again, the service was very friendly. I like that you bus your own table - I always try to spend plenty of money at places with free wifi, but not having someone come around makes me feel even more comfortable about hanging out there for a long time. + + I really like this place, but I'm new to Davis, so I can't compare yet. --["Users/EvoDiva"]

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HenryHouse — 2007-09-10 11:16:31

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- Some people find the food a bit pricey but others think it is well worth it, especially for hard-to-find Caribbean Cuisine. At least some of their coffee is from the ["Pachamama Coffee Cooperative"]. -	+ == Food menu == + + The Delta is actually a hybrid restaurant and coffeehouse. Studiers and other people who just want to linger over a cup of coffee are welcome. But there is a big selection of hot and cold food if you want it, which varies by time of day and day of the week (be sure to know the schedule if you plan to come for something specific to avoid disappointment). + There are many vegetarian and vegan options. The most distinctive offering is the Caribbean menu, offered weekday evenings. Brunch is available daily. All the eggs are cooked in vegetable oil not butter, so they won't taste right if you are a purist about eggs; despite that, the brunch menu is praised by many comments below. + + See ["/Menu" the menu] for full details.

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AnnaF — 2007-09-08 12:54:24

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	+ ------ + ''2007-09-08 13:54:24'' [[nbsp]] I had a latte there and it was a bit more like a cappuccino. If you have a latte there, make sure to ask for just a litte foam on the top. As a side note, they did not serve regular or decaf pot coffee while I was there, so be prepared to order a specialty drink for a little more. They servers are friendly, and the atmosphere is delightfully bohemian. --["Users/AnnaF"]

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- * This is a poor argument considering the staff work primarily inside the building. The smoking section only has chairs so there is no reason for them to have to walk through it to serve food.	+ * This is a poor argument considering the staff work primarily inside the building. The smoking section only has chairs so there is no reason for them to have to walk through it to serve food. --["users/SolomonBothwell"] + + * Not quite sure if I understand you, Solomon. Wouldn't staff still be potentially walking thru smoke when serving customers outside? I've walked thru plenty of smoke in front of Delta. I don't really see how chairs make a difference? + To the general debate, I'd also like to point out that cigarette smoke causes a lot more issues than just cancer. I don't want to lecture, the hazards are widely advertised, but let me refer to one small, but very common, side effect. Second hand smoke accelerates a lot of allergies. I experience that a lot and it sucks. --["JeffTolentino"] +

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	+ + * This is a poor argument considering the staff work primarily inside the building. The smoking section only has chairs so there is no reason for them to have to walk through it to serve food.

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	+ ------ + ''2007-08-26 15:42:45'' [[nbsp]] OMG, Iwaca'a Plum Chicken is sooooooooo good. They make a mean soy mocha, too! --["Users/ElisaWeller"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-08-18 16:25:04'' [[nbsp]] Good: Outstanding breakfast! Quite possibly the best in town. Decent coffee but they need to keep an eye on the freshness. Lee and all the staff are delightful and friendly. + Bad: I'm sorry, but the 'Caribbean Cuisine' is not good. Boiling something in allspice and cayenne pepper does not caribbean food make. + Ugly: The smoking, and the snooty pseudo-hipsters doing the smoking. There is not a lovelier place to catch a cup of joe and a bagel on a beautiful summer morning. Then some jackoff lights up a cig 3 feet away. --["Users/BillyBudd"]

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- The Delta of Venus has gone through in the past year and a half or so a sad transformation. This is signified most obviously by the removal of the Delta of Venus sign in front. Inside, the atmosphere has changed as well. As I discovered recently while ordering and eating breakfast. I hadn't been in for a while, but remembered a friendly atmosphere, exchanging pleasantries with staff, in a natural way. There is a new contingent of staff and their conversation now is much more focused, akin to that encountered in most corporate fast food joints, i.e., formulaic. Even though the place was empty, the focus was on efficiency of taking my order, under the watchful eye of whom I can only presume was the manager sitting at a table in the dining area. My meal was served and I made some comment to the waitress about how this seemed much more like a fastfood place than in days past and she cut her eyes at the manager with her back to him and said nothing. As I say, the emphasis is on "fast" as in keep the customers moving. I'd been reading a newspaper and left it on the table to go get my utensils, ketchup and stuff. When I got back the manager had picked my newspaper up off the table and was going to do something I know not what with it, throw it away, read it? A really unpleasant change in atmosphere from the days when the sign with Venus on the half-shell graced the front of the restaurant. ["BrianElsasser"]	+ ''2006-05-26 04:09:56'' [[nbsp]]The Delta of Venus has gone through in the past year and a half or so a sad transformation. This is signified most obviously by the removal of the Delta of Venus sign in front. Inside, the atmosphere has changed as well. As I discovered recently while ordering and eating breakfast. I hadn't been in for a while, but remembered a friendly atmosphere, exchanging pleasantries with staff, in a natural way. There is a new contingent of staff and their conversation now is much more focused, akin to that encountered in most corporate fast food joints, i.e., formulaic. Even though the place was empty, the focus was on efficiency of taking my order, under the watchful eye of whom I can only presume was the manager sitting at a table in the dining area. My meal was served and I made some comment to the waitress about how this seemed much more like a fastfood place than in days past and she cut her eyes at the manager with her back to him and said nothing. As I say, the emphasis is on "fast" as in keep the customers moving. I'd been reading a newspaper and left it on the table to go get my utensils, ketchup and stuff. When I got back the manager had picked my newspaper up off the table and was going to do something I know not what with it, throw it away, read it? So I mentioned I wasn't through reading it and he gracelessly handed it back. A far cry from the Delta of Venus scene when Aphrodite graced the half-shell on the sign in front. + --["BrianElsasser"]

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	+ The Delta of Venus has gone through in the past year and a half or so a sad transformation. This is signified most obviously by the removal of the Delta of Venus sign in front. Inside, the atmosphere has changed as well. As I discovered recently while ordering and eating breakfast. I hadn't been in for a while, but remembered a friendly atmosphere, exchanging pleasantries with staff, in a natural way. There is a new contingent of staff and their conversation now is much more focused, akin to that encountered in most corporate fast food joints, i.e., formulaic. Even though the place was empty, the focus was on efficiency of taking my order, under the watchful eye of whom I can only presume was the manager sitting at a table in the dining area. My meal was served and I made some comment to the waitress about how this seemed much more like a fastfood place than in days past and she cut her eyes at the manager with her back to him and said nothing. As I say, the emphasis is on "fast" as in keep the customers moving. I'd been reading a newspaper and left it on the table to go get my utensils, ketchup and stuff. When I got back the manager had picked my newspaper up off the table and was going to do something I know not what with it, throw it away, read it? A really unpleasant change in atmosphere from the days when the sign with Venus on the half-shell graced the front of the restaurant. ["BrianElsasser"] + + ------
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CovertProfessor — 2007-08-15 20:56:22

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- * Manalive, the entry keeps coming back to haunt me like a bad penny. If I delete it, why does it keep coming back. I thought anyone could edit Davis Wikie...BrianElsasser...I will let this stand for 24 hours and then delete it, hopefully permanently...! - * The comment keeps coming back because people "undelete" (revert) it. It appears as though you (["Users/WilyFerret"]) are trying to delete someone else's comment, and generally, that's not considered acceptable. If there's some reason you think it must be deleted, then say so (you never leave a reason for your deletions). -- ["Users/CovertProfessor"] - I am Brian Elsasser. The above comment I keep trying to delete, since I discovered it had been undeleted is a response to a comment of my own that I deleted months ago. In other words, Redpath's comment responds to nothing now. Do I have to resub what I wrote originally, which doesn't even really matter now, or will you all let me just get rid of the unpleasantness here altogether...? Redpath doesn't care, it's somebody else who keeps resurrecting the bad vibe...	+ ''discussion of this comment moved to ["Users/WilyFerret"]'s page''

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	+ I am Brian Elsasser. The above comment I keep trying to delete, since I discovered it had been undeleted is a response to a comment of my own that I deleted months ago. In other words, Redpath's comment responds to nothing now. Do I have to resub what I wrote originally, which doesn't even really matter now, or will you all let me just get rid of the unpleasantness here altogether...? Redpath doesn't care, it's somebody else who keeps resurrecting the bad vibe...

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	+ + * Yes it is a business, and not a public place. However, the law is actually in place to protect the employees from poor working conditions. It is not for the customers. After all the customer can choose not to go there. However, every employer must provide safe working conditions for its employees regardless of whether the business is private or public. ["users/MattHh"]

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CovertProfessor — 2007-08-15 13:38:18

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- Manalive, the entry keeps coming back to haunt me like a bad penny. If I delete it, why does it keep coming back. I thought anyone could edit Davis Wikie...BrianElsasser...I will let this stand for 24 hours and then delete it, hopefully permanently...!	+ * Manalive, the entry keeps coming back to haunt me like a bad penny. If I delete it, why does it keep coming back. I thought anyone could edit Davis Wikie...BrianElsasser...I will let this stand for 24 hours and then delete it, hopefully permanently...! + * The comment keeps coming back because people "undelete" (revert) it. It appears as though you (["Users/WilyFerret"]) are trying to delete someone else's comment, and generally, that's not considered acceptable. If there's some reason you think it must be deleted, then say so (you never leave a reason for your deletions). -- ["Users/CovertProfessor"]

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BriannaBetancourt — 2007-08-15 13:17:04

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	+ * I agree with Graham that the law is the law and laws are passed and enforced for reasons. That said, I believe that it is a business's prerogative as to what extent it abides by these laws, much the same as it is a citizen's prerogative as to what extent he/she abides by the legal speed limit. Just as second hand smoke ''increases'' the risk of cancer, excessive speeding ''increases'' the risk of car accidents. If a place like Delta wants to be lenient on smoking, that is ownerships' decision, and they can deal with the consequences if the police or health department ever choose to enforce these laws. (Much the same as police "choose" to enforce speeding laws.) + + [[nbsp]][[nbsp]] Also, I think Graham's "house" argument is flawed. Just because Delta provides services to the public, that doesn't make Delta a public space; it's a private business and someone—not the state or the city—is paying rent to use the property. It can choose to close to the public and hold private functions at anytime, it can remove a patron at will by claiming said patron is trespassing, and to be sure, it can choose (at their own risk) to look the other way when smokers light up. + + [[nbsp]][[nbsp]] Look, I'm not a smoker, and I'm not a big fan of cigarette smoke either. But if secondhand smoke in an outdoor space like Delta (or even some of the local bars) is a person's concern, if you think about it, if the smoking ban was enforced, there would merely be hordes of people smoking in the parking lot or on the sidewalk ''directly adjacent'' to the patio, so you'd be exposed to the smoke regardless. At the very least, if smoking is allowed on the premises, the business can control the litter and eyesore of huge congresses of smokers loitering about. Better than having cigarette butts strewn about the streets and sidewalks. --["BriannaBetancourt"]

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	+ Manalive, the entry keeps coming back to haunt me like a bad penny. If I delete it, why does it keep coming back. I thought anyone could edit Davis Wikie...BrianElsasser...I will let this stand for 24 hours and then delete it, hopefully permanently...!

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- They have a really nice patio area that's great for sitting and shooting the breeze. The ["Downtown Phone 9" payphone of Venus] is on the Delta patio, and the place has a social atmosphere. They serve ["coffee"], and is the only other ["Cafes" cafe] besides Mishka's to serve ["alcohol"], as well. Delta also has a lot of ["food"], much of which is ["vegan"] or ["Vegetarian Options" vegetarian] -- and really good! I don't know if it's a place to study, but it's certainly a place for friends and good times.	+ They have a really nice patio area that's great for sitting and shooting the breeze. The ["Downtown Phone 9" payphone of Venus] was on the Delta patio until mid 2007 and rang frequently, but was almost always dead air. The place has a social atmosphere. They serve ["coffee"], and is the only other ["Cafes" cafe] besides Mishka's to serve ["alcohol"], as well. Delta also has a lot of ["food"], much of which is ["vegan"] or ["Vegetarian Options" vegetarian] -- and really good! I don't know if it's a place to study, but it's certainly a place for friends and good times.

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- Delta of Venus is sort of the ["Hippies" hippie] coffee shop of Davis. It sort of runs by its own rules. The people who work there are laid back, so leave your attitude at the door. There's ["WiFi Hot Spots" wireless Internet]... woo! A pretty conducive ["Study Spots" study] environment during the day. Interestingly they also have a fireplace and a bunch of books (including Bukowski) you can browse through.	+ '''Delta of Venus''' is sort of the ["Hippies" hippie] coffee shop of Davis. It sort of runs by its own rules. The people who work there are laid back, so leave your attitude at the door. There's ["WiFi Hot Spots" wireless Internet]... woo! A pretty conducive ["Study Spots" study] environment during the day. Interestingly they also have a fireplace and a bunch of books (including Bukowski) you can browse through.

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VladLoscutoff — 2007-08-15 08:59:17

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	+ ------ + ''2006-05-26 04:09:56'' [[nbsp]] BrianElsasser's comment is hilarious. sorry we (the delta staff) are too busy to entertain you... wah wah wah. and if you thought we were EVER interesting or witty, i apologize for letting our standards slip. we usually have a pretty intense screening process for potential employees (do you have tattoos? what's your record collection like? how rudely can you throw away a customers newspaper? have you traveled extensively in thailand? etc.) as far as this mysterious manager (me i hope)? i think we find enough time to slack off just fine. corporate fast-food scene??! --["EricRedpath"]

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- ------ - ''2006-05-26 04:09:56'' [[nbsp]] BrianElsasser's comment is hilarious. sorry we (the delta staff) are too busy to entertain you... wah wah wah. and if you thought we were EVER interesting or witty, i apologize for letting our standards slip. we usually have a pretty intense screening process for potential employees (do you have tattoos? what's your record collection like? how rudely can you throw away a customers newspaper? have you traveled extensively in thailand? etc.) as far as this mysterious manager (me i hope)? i think we find enough time to slack off just fine. corporate fast-food scene??! --["EricRedpath"]

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WilliamLewis — 2007-08-14 21:38:30

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- ''2006-05-26 04:09:56'' [[nbsp]] Sorry we (the delta staff) are too busy to entertain you... wah wah wah. and if you thought we were EVER interesting or witty, i apologize for letting our standards slip. we usually have a pretty intense screening process for potential employees (do you have tattoos? what's your record collection like? how rudely can you throw away a customers newspaper? have you traveled extensively in thailand? etc.) as far as this mysterious manager (me i hope)? i think we find enough time to slack off just fine. corporate fast-food scene??! --["EricRedpath"]	+ ''2006-05-26 04:09:56'' [[nbsp]] BrianElsasser's comment is hilarious. sorry we (the delta staff) are too busy to entertain you... wah wah wah. and if you thought we were EVER interesting or witty, i apologize for letting our standards slip. we usually have a pretty intense screening process for potential employees (do you have tattoos? what's your record collection like? how rudely can you throw away a customers newspaper? have you traveled extensively in thailand? etc.) as far as this mysterious manager (me i hope)? i think we find enough time to slack off just fine. corporate fast-food scene??! --["EricRedpath"]

Delta of Venus

WilyFerret — 2007-08-14 21:23:24

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- ''2006-05-26 04:09:56'' [[nbsp]] BrianElsasser's comment is hilarious. sorry we (the delta staff) are too busy to entertain you... wah wah wah. and if you thought we were EVER interesting or witty, i apologize for letting our standards slip. we usually have a pretty intense screening process for potential employees (do you have tattoos? what's your record collection like? how rudely can you throw away a customers newspaper? have you traveled extensively in thailand? etc.) as far as this mysterious manager (me i hope)? i think we find enough time to slack off just fine. corporate fast-food scene??! --["EricRedpath"]	+ ''2006-05-26 04:09:56'' [[nbsp]] Sorry we (the delta staff) are too busy to entertain you... wah wah wah. and if you thought we were EVER interesting or witty, i apologize for letting our standards slip. we usually have a pretty intense screening process for potential employees (do you have tattoos? what's your record collection like? how rudely can you throw away a customers newspaper? have you traveled extensively in thailand? etc.) as far as this mysterious manager (me i hope)? i think we find enough time to slack off just fine. corporate fast-food scene??! --["EricRedpath"]