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CliftonBurton — 2009-06-19 10:30:05

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- Usually behind closed doors, the leaders of GVCC, particularly ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew], often treat people harshly and abusively, even resorting to yelling in anger. Past sins are recounted, unkind statements are made, and those being counseled are castigated when they express disagreement with what is being said about them or others. One's questions or expressions of concern or doubt about GVCC practices or about a leader are frequently viewed as the questioner's problem – he or she is a "rebel", "proud", "arrogant", "hates authority", is "not listening", or is guilty of "contumacy". Sinful treatment of members, however, does not all occur behind closed doors. Most all members have personally observed individuals during public services, especially during "flock" meetings, being disparaged or ridiculed from the pulpit or mentioned in sermons for a such reasons as nodding off during service, putting up a wrong music overhead, being in a motorcycle accident, not reading a Scripture passage loud enough, losing a job, etc. Even when the individual's name is not mentioned, it is often abundantly clear who is being referenced.	+ Usually behind closed doors, the leaders of GVCC, particularly ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew], often treat people harshly and abusively, even resorting to yelling in anger. Past sins are recounted, unkind statements are made, and those being counseled are castigated when they express disagreement with what is being said about them or others. One's questions or expressions of concern or doubt about GVCC practices or about a leader are frequently viewed as the questioner's problem – he or she is a "rebel", "proud", "arrogant", "hates authority", is "not listening", or is guilty of "contumacy". Sinful treatment of members, however, does not all occur behind closed doors. Most all members have personally observed individuals during public services, especially during "flock" meetings, being disparaged or ridiculed from the pulpit or mentioned in sermons for such reasons as nodding off during service, putting up a wrong music overhead, being in a motorcycle accident, not reading a Scripture passage loud enough, losing a job, etc. Even when the individual's name is not mentioned, it is often abundantly clear who is being referenced.
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- Violating confidentiality, or what the Bible more commonly refers to as gossip, is a destructive practice that tears down the people of God and destroys their trust in each other. The Bible clearly condemns this practice: Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 11:9, 11:13, 16:28, 20:19, Jeremiah 6:28, 9:4, Romans 1:29, 2 Corinthians 12:20, 1 Timothy 3:11, 5:13, 2 Timothy 3:3, Titus 2:3. Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. "A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret." Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" the Pastor] and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. The only time the Bible speaks of such public disclosure of sin is within the context of spiritual discipline, when the Matthew 18 model of correction has been pursued and an individual is unrepentant. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.	+ Violating confidentiality, or what the Bible more commonly refers to as gossip, is a destructive practice that tears down the people of God and destroys their trust in each other. The Bible clearly condemns this practice: Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 11:9, 11:13, 16:28, 20:19, Jeremiah 6:28, 9:4, Romans 1:29, 2 Corinthians 12:20, 1 Timothy 3:11, 5:13, 2 Timothy 3:3, Titus 2:3. Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a serious violation of trust. "''A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret''" Proverbs 11:12-13. Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. + + Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" the Pastor] and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. The only time the Bible speaks of such public disclosure of sin is within the context of spiritual discipline, when the Matthew 18 model of correction has been pursued and an individual is unrepentant. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.
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- Yet, sadly, this is the hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" the pastor] or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel. By enforcing submission to their authority in areas not clearly mandated or proscribed by Scripture, i.e. in matters of conscience, the leaders of Grace Valley Christian Center are imposing legalism, and unwittingly usurping the place of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. The consequence of this is that the members fall into an uncritical acceptance of whatever the leader says, in some cases violating their own conscience, and they gradually lose the ability to hear from God, or to decide for themselves, based on the clear meaning of Scripture.	+ Yet, sadly, this is the hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. In fact, much of what the church does in terms of discipline, counseling, and other forms of ministry, is carried out with the intent to control and manipulate. Ronald Enroth defines this behavior as spiritual abuse: “''Spiritual abuse takes place when leaders to whom people look for guidance and spiritual nurture use their positions of authority to manipulate, control, and dominate''”. + + At GVCC people are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" the pastor] or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel. By enforcing submission to their authority in areas not clearly mandated or proscribed by Scripture, i.e. in matters of conscience, the leaders of Grace Valley Christian Center are imposing legalism, and unwittingly usurping the place of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. The consequence of this is that the members fall into an uncritical acceptance of whatever the leader says, in some cases violating their own conscience, and they gradually lose the ability to hear from God, or to decide for themselves, based on the clear meaning of Scripture.

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- ''2008-12-16 00:11:11'' [[nbsp]] I'm really creeped out. After attending the church and youth group all quarter, a lot of this makes sense. I talked to my other Christian friends and went to some other Christian churches and nobody agrees with "you'll be closer to this church family than your own family" like I've heard from Grace Alive. Also, nobody is sad that it's "hard to find real Christians outside of Church." Jesus was a Carpenter. His disciples were fishermen, etc. -people of the world. It freaks me out that all these kids have no life experience whatsoever and want to isolate themselves. It makes being back in the real world, outside of Davis, quite interesting. It makes me think of those kids that were found... I dunno I'm a bit confused now. Grace Alive seemed so friendly... But why is Grace Valley all that the kids know??? Born and raised, most know nothing else. --["Users/anonymous"]	+ ''2008-12-16 00:11:11'' [[nbsp]] I'm really creeped out. After attending the church and youth group all quarter, a lot of this makes sense. I talked to my other Christian friends and went to some other Christian churches and nobody agrees with "you'll be closer to this church family than your own family" like I've heard from Grace Alive. Also, nobody is sad that it's "hard to find real Christians outside of Church." Jesus was a Carpenter. His disciples were fishermen, etc. -people of the world. It freaks me out that all these kids have no life experience whatsoever and want to isolate themselves. It makes being back in the real world, outside of Davis, quite interesting. It makes me think of those kids that were found... I dunno I'm a bit confused now. Grace Alive seemed so friendly... But why is Grace Valley all that the kids know??? Born and raised, most know nothing else.
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- ''2008-12-16 00:15:00'' [[nbsp]] this is my spiritual life for eternity. being offensive can't be something i fear. --["Users/anonymous"]	+ ''2008-12-16 00:15:00'' [[nbsp]] this is my spiritual life for eternity. being offensive can't be something i fear.

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- ''2008-12-16 00:11:11'' [[nbsp]] I'm really creeped out. After attending the church and youth group all quarter, a lot of this makes sense. I talked to my other Christian friends and went to some other Christian churches and nobody agrees with "you'll be closer to this church family than your own family" like I've heard from Grace Alive. Also, nobody is sad that it's "hard to find real Christians outside of Church." Jesus was a Carpenter. His disciples were fishermen, etc. -people of the world. It freaks me out that all these kids have no life experience whatsoever and want to isolate themselves. It makes being back in the real world, outside of Davis, quite interesting. It makes me think of those kids that were found... I dunno I'm a bit confused now. Grace Alive seemed so friendly... But why is Grace Valley all that the kids know??? Born and raised, most know nothing else. --["Users/gabyserpa"]	+ ''2008-12-16 00:11:11'' [[nbsp]] I'm really creeped out. After attending the church and youth group all quarter, a lot of this makes sense. I talked to my other Christian friends and went to some other Christian churches and nobody agrees with "you'll be closer to this church family than your own family" like I've heard from Grace Alive. Also, nobody is sad that it's "hard to find real Christians outside of Church." Jesus was a Carpenter. His disciples were fishermen, etc. -people of the world. It freaks me out that all these kids have no life experience whatsoever and want to isolate themselves. It makes being back in the real world, outside of Davis, quite interesting. It makes me think of those kids that were found... I dunno I'm a bit confused now. Grace Alive seemed so friendly... But why is Grace Valley all that the kids know??? Born and raised, most know nothing else. --["Users/anonymous"]
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- ''2008-12-16 00:15:00'' [[nbsp]] this is my spiritual life for eternity. being offensive can't be something i fear. --["Users/gabyserpa"]	+ ''2008-12-16 00:15:00'' [[nbsp]] this is my spiritual life for eternity. being offensive can't be something i fear. --["Users/anonymous"]

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- '''["Grace Valley Christian Center"]''' (GVCC), in Davis California, is allegedly characterized by several aberrations, described below. Keep in mind that angry individuals can leave harmful remarks in an attempt to hurt an organization they feel has hurt them. Conversely, anger is sometimes justified; just because a comment is negative doesn't mean it isn't true. The fact that there were so many individuals who posted serious allegations and complaints against the church (see ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Experiences"]) appears to lend greater credibility to the following allegations, which were posted by ["Users/CliftonBurton"], and composed by him and a few other former members of GVCC.	+ '''["Grace Valley Christian Center"]''' (GVCC), in Davis California, is allegedly characterized by several aberrations, described below. Keep in mind that angry individuals can leave harmful remarks in an attempt to hurt an organization they feel has hurt them. Conversely, anger is sometimes justified; just because a comment is negative doesn't mean it isn't true. The fact that there were so many individuals who posted serious allegations and complaints against the church (see ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Experiences"]) appears to lend greater credibility to the following aberations, which were posted by ["Users/CliftonBurton"], and composed by him and a few other former members of GVCC.

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- '''["Grace Valley Christian Center"]''' (GVCC), in Davis California, is allegedly characterized by several aberrations. Many come from former attendees of the church. Keep in mind that angry individuals can leave harmful remarks in an attempt to hurt an organization they feel has hurt them. Conversely, anger is sometimes justified; just because a comment is negative doesn't mean it isn't true. The fact that there were so many individuals who posted serious allegations and complaints against the church (see ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Experiences"]) appears to lend greater credibility to the following allegations . These allegations were posted by ["Users/CliftonBurton"], and were composed by him and a few other former members.	+ '''["Grace Valley Christian Center"]''' (GVCC), in Davis California, is allegedly characterized by several aberrations, described below. Keep in mind that angry individuals can leave harmful remarks in an attempt to hurt an organization they feel has hurt them. Conversely, anger is sometimes justified; just because a comment is negative doesn't mean it isn't true. The fact that there were so many individuals who posted serious allegations and complaints against the church (see ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Experiences"]) appears to lend greater credibility to the following allegations, which were posted by ["Users/CliftonBurton"], and composed by him and a few other former members of GVCC.

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- Furthermore, the ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center] encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family -- contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["Users/CliftonBurton" Clifton Burton]	+ Furthermore, the ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center] encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family -- contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector" means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal, which is restoration. Rather, the intention at GVCC is clearly to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["Users/CliftonBurton" Clifton Burton]

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- C.S. Lewis called pride the "essential vice", "the utmost evil", and a sin that "can smuggle itself into the very center of our religious life." Sadly, pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following: '''Elitism''', '''Isolationism''', '''Self Exaltation''', and '''Refusing to Hear or Heed Correction''', are examples of how this sin is manifested:	+ C.S. Lewis called pride the "essential vice", "the utmost evil", and a sin that "can smuggle itself into the very center of our religious life." Sadly, pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following: '''Elitism''', '''Isolationism''', '''Self Exaltation''', and '''Refusing to Hear or Heed Correction''', are examples of how this sin is manifested.

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- C.S. Lewis called pride the "essential vice", "the utmost evil", and a sin that "can smuggle itself into the very center of our religious life." Sadly, pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following are examples of how this sin is manifested:	+ C.S. Lewis called pride the "essential vice", "the utmost evil", and a sin that "can smuggle itself into the very center of our religious life." Sadly, pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following: '''Elitism''', '''Isolationism''', '''Self Exaltation''', and '''Refusing to Hear or Heed Correction''', are examples of how this sin is manifested:

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- = ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] = - - * Admittedly this is off topic. It's only a link. This discussion really is incomplete without an opportunity for those of us who have been wounded at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"] to share how we are, by Christ’s grace, being healed. First I would like to thank all former GVCCers who have shared here, either by name or pseudonym. That took a lot of courage. I would also like to thank those who have defended GVCC. All of us, at some point, would have done the same. My prayer for you is that one day you will experience the same freedom in Christ that those of us who have left are now experiencing. Though you may find it hard to believe, we love you in the Lord. Some day we'll be together, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah9KQ7V-_FY dancing with our father God in fields of grace]. -- ["Users/RichLindvall" Rich Lindvall] "2007-10-30"

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- As one of the elders of GVCC, I sent the following email to the administrators of Davis Wiki on December 1, 2005. Since they have chosen to not respond to me in any way, I am posting this email here for others to see: --["RichardSpencer"]--	+ As one of the elders of GVCC, I sent the following email to the administrators of Davis Wiki on December 1, 2005. Since they have chosen to not respond to me in any way, I am posting this email here for others to see: --["Users/RichardSpencer"]--
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- ''2006-11-18 00:35:19'' [[nbsp]] I don't know much about this church but what I do know is that every Sunday when I go by this church on the way to my chruch they have security guards out front. Why is that? --["JamesHaile"]	+ ''2006-11-18 00:35:19'' [[nbsp]] I don't know much about this church but what I do know is that every Sunday when I go by this church on the way to my chruch they have security guards out front. Why is that? --["Users/JamesHaile"]
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- Violating confidentiality, or what the Bible more commonly refers to as gossip, is a destructive practice that tears down the people of God and destroys their trust in each other. The Bible clearly condemns this practice: Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 11:9, 11:13, 16:28, 20:19, Jeremiah 6:28, 9:4, Romans 1:29, 2 Corinthians 12:20, 1 Timothy 3:11, 5:13, 2 Timothy 3:3, Titus 2:3. Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. "A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret." Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. The only time the Bible speaks of such public disclosure of sin is within the context of spiritual discipline, when the Matthew 18 model of correction has been pursued and an individual is unrepentant. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.	+ Violating confidentiality, or what the Bible more commonly refers to as gossip, is a destructive practice that tears down the people of God and destroys their trust in each other. The Bible clearly condemns this practice: Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 11:9, 11:13, 16:28, 20:19, Jeremiah 6:28, 9:4, Romans 1:29, 2 Corinthians 12:20, 1 Timothy 3:11, 5:13, 2 Timothy 3:3, Titus 2:3. Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. "A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret." Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" the Pastor] and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. The only time the Bible speaks of such public disclosure of sin is within the context of spiritual discipline, when the Matthew 18 model of correction has been pursued and an individual is unrepentant. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.
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- Like Diotrephes, the leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC's affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.	+ Like Diotrephes, ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" the leadership] of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC's affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.
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- Another trademark of the Pharisees was that they "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogue; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them ‘Rabbi'." The honor conferred upon the Pharisees was not the issue, for we are admonished to "Honor one another above yourselves." And to honor particularly "The elders who direct the affairs of the church well . . . " The sin of the Pharisees was loving and insisting on such honor. The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastor's idiosyncratic food and drink preferences, and leaders' becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members' own families and other responsibilities. Jesus condemned the Pharisees who "tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." Rather, Jesus pointed to a humble leadership model where "the greatest among you will be your servant."	+ Another trademark of the Pharisees was that they "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogue; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them ‘Rabbi'." The honor conferred upon the Pharisees was not the issue, for we are admonished to "Honor one another above yourselves." And to honor particularly "The elders who direct the affairs of the church well . . . " The sin of the Pharisees was loving and insisting on such honor. The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" the pastor's] idiosyncratic food and drink preferences, and leaders' becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members' own families and other responsibilities. Jesus condemned the Pharisees who "tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." Rather, Jesus pointed to a humble leadership model where "the greatest among you will be your servant."
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- Yet, sadly, this is the hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel. By enforcing submission to their authority in areas not clearly mandated or proscribed by Scripture, i.e. in matters of conscience, the leaders of Grace Valley Christian Center are imposing legalism, and unwittingly usurping the place of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. The consequence of this is that the members fall into an uncritical acceptance of whatever the leader says, in some cases violating their own conscience, and they gradually lose the ability to hear from God, or to decide for themselves, based on the clear meaning of Scripture.	+ Yet, sadly, this is the hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" the pastor] or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel. By enforcing submission to their authority in areas not clearly mandated or proscribed by Scripture, i.e. in matters of conscience, the leaders of Grace Valley Christian Center are imposing legalism, and unwittingly usurping the place of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. The consequence of this is that the members fall into an uncritical acceptance of whatever the leader says, in some cases violating their own conscience, and they gradually lose the ability to hear from God, or to decide for themselves, based on the clear meaning of Scripture.

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- Usually behind closed doors, the leaders of GVCC, particularly Pastor Mathew, often treat people harshly and abusively, even resorting to yelling in anger. Past sins are recounted, unkind statements are made, and those being counseled are castigated when they express disagreement with what is being said about them or others. One's questions or expressions of concern or doubt about GVCC practices or about a leader are frequently viewed as the questioner's problem – he or she is a "rebel", "proud", "arrogant", "hates authority", is "not listening", or is guilty of "contumacy". Sinful treatment of members, however, does not all occur behind closed doors. Most all members have personally observed individuals during public services, especially during "flock" meetings, being disparaged or ridiculed from the pulpit or mentioned in sermons for a such reasons as nodding off during service, putting up a wrong music overhead, being in a motorcycle accident, not reading a Scripture passage loud enough, losing a job, etc. Even when the individual's name is not mentioned, it is often abundantly clear who is being referenced.	+ Usually behind closed doors, the leaders of GVCC, particularly ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew], often treat people harshly and abusively, even resorting to yelling in anger. Past sins are recounted, unkind statements are made, and those being counseled are castigated when they express disagreement with what is being said about them or others. One's questions or expressions of concern or doubt about GVCC practices or about a leader are frequently viewed as the questioner's problem – he or she is a "rebel", "proud", "arrogant", "hates authority", is "not listening", or is guilty of "contumacy". Sinful treatment of members, however, does not all occur behind closed doors. Most all members have personally observed individuals during public services, especially during "flock" meetings, being disparaged or ridiculed from the pulpit or mentioned in sermons for a such reasons as nodding off during service, putting up a wrong music overhead, being in a motorcycle accident, not reading a Scripture passage loud enough, losing a job, etc. Even when the individual's name is not mentioned, it is often abundantly clear who is being referenced.
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- Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family -- contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["CliftonBurton" Clifton Burton]	+ Furthermore, the ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center] encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family -- contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["CliftonBurton" Clifton Burton]

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	+ = ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] = + + * Admittedly this is off topic. It's only a link. This discussion really is incomplete without an opportunity for those of us who have been wounded at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"] to share how we are, by Christ’s grace, being healed. First I would like to thank all former GVCCers who have shared here, either by name or pseudonym. That took a lot of courage. I would also like to thank those who have defended GVCC. All of us, at some point, would have done the same. My prayer for you is that one day you will experience the same freedom in Christ that those of us who have left are now experiencing. Though you may find it hard to believe, we love you in the Lord. Some day we'll be together, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah9KQ7V-_FY dancing with our father God in fields of grace]. -- ["Users/RichLindvall" Rich Lindvall] "2007-10-30" +

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- ''2007-07-17 10:32:12'' [[nbsp]] In the discussion regarding GVCC I think we're talking more about an abusive level of control exerted by the leadership rather than about theological issues. There are different levels of membership at GVCC. "Flock" is an inner circle group of members who have covenanted with the leadership to put every aspect of their lives "on the table". It's not uncommon for husbands to report to the leadership on their wives, wives on their husbands. In essence, as a member of "flock", your first allegiance is to church leadership and after that to your spouse. Naturally "flock" is a bit of a secret. Many members don't even know about it. We were members there for five years and never attended a "flock" meeting. In the final analysis, if you're in "flock", the only way you can leave GVCC is with the blessing of the leadership. --["Users/RichLindvall"]	+ ''2007-07-17 10:32:12'' [[nbsp]] There are different levels of membership at GVCC. "Flock" is an inner circle group of members who have covenanted with the leadership to put every aspect of their lives "on the table". It's not uncommon for husbands to report to the leadership on their wives, wives on their husbands. In essence, as a member of "flock", your first allegiance is to church leadership and after that to your spouse. Naturally "flock" is a bit of a secret. Many members don't even know about it. We were members there for five years and never attended a "flock" meeting. In the final analysis, if you're in "flock", the only way you can leave GVCC is with the blessing of the leadership. --["Users/RichLindvall"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-07-17 10:32:12'' [[nbsp]] In the discussion regarding GVCC I think we're talking more about an abusive level of control exerted by the leadership rather than about theological issues. There are different levels of membership at GVCC. "Flock" is an inner circle group of members who have covenanted with the leadership to put every aspect of their lives "on the table". It's not uncommon for husbands to report to the leadership on their wives, wives on their husbands. In essence, as a member of "flock", your first allegiance is to church leadership and after that to your spouse. Naturally "flock" is a bit of a secret. Many members don't even know about it. We were members there for five years and never attended a "flock" meeting. In the final analysis, if you're in "flock", the only way you can leave GVCC is with the blessing of the leadership. --["Users/RichLindvall"]

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- Despite many years of faithful service, malicious and slanderous information has been communicated about ex-members. False accusations, explicit and implicit , vilify them as false brothers, spiritual terrorists, Judas Iscariots, demonized, God-haters, accused of treason, rebellion, drug addiction, theft, fornication, and homosexuality. Many within GVCC uncritically accept these judgments about their brothers and sisters in Christ assuming that the leadership would never slander. This sin is obvious to the victims, but not commonly known among members since the slander, when coupled with shunning, serves to conceal the leadership's sin by "protecting" members from contrary information. In fact, information from ex-members may be referred to as "anthrax", "poison", etc., and members are advised to respond to ex-members who initiate contact with such statements as "I consider you as an agent of Satan in association with others of like mind . . ." In such an environment, people are easily manipulated and turned against their brothers and sisters in Christ. This grave sin requires repentance, including confession to those slandered and others to whom the accusations were explicitly made or implied.	+ Despite many years of faithful service, malicious and slanderous information has been communicated about ex-members. False accusations, explicit and implicit, vilify them as false brothers, spiritual terrorists, Judas Iscariots, demonized, God-haters, accused of treason, rebellion, ["Drugs" drug] addiction, theft, ["Sex" fornication], and ["Gay Community" homosexuality]. Many within GVCC uncritically accept these judgments about their brothers and sisters in Christ assuming that the leadership would never slander. This sin is obvious to the victims, but not commonly known among members since the slander, when coupled with shunning, serves to conceal the leadership's sin by "protecting" members from contrary information. In fact, information from ex-members may be referred to as "anthrax", "["Poison" poison]", etc., and members are advised to respond to ex-members who initiate contact with such statements as "I consider you as an agent of Satan in association with others of like mind . . ." In such an environment, people are easily manipulated and turned against their brothers and sisters in Christ. This grave sin requires repentance, including confession to those slandered and others to whom the accusations were explicitly made or implied.

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	+ ------ + ''2007-04-23 11:28:00'' [[nbsp]] It seems that the layout and wording of the page have changed for the better. I know of one of my friends who was given the cold shoulder when his family decided not to attend GVCC despite being in close proximity to a number of elders. Shysty! --["Users/StevenDaubert"]

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- Despite many years of faithful service, malicious and slanderous information has been communicated about ex-members. False accusations, explicit and implicit , vilify them as false brothers, spiritual terrorists, Judas Iscariots, demonized , God-haters, accused of treason, rebellion, drug addiction, theft, fornication, and homosexuality. Many within GVCC uncritically accept these judgments about their brothers and sisters in Christ assuming that the leadership would never slander. This sin is obvious to the victims, but not commonly known among members since the slander, when coupled with shunning, serves to conceal the leadership's sin by "protecting" members from contrary information. In fact, information from ex-members may be referred to as "anthrax", "poison", etc., and members are advised to respond to ex-members who initiate contact with such statements as "I consider you as an agent of Satan in association with others of like mind . . ." In such an environment, people are easily manipulated and turned against their brothers and sisters in Christ. This grave sin requires repentance, including confession to those slandered and others to whom the accusations were explicitly made or implied.	+ Despite many years of faithful service, malicious and slanderous information has been communicated about ex-members. False accusations, explicit and implicit , vilify them as false brothers, spiritual terrorists, Judas Iscariots, demonized, God-haters, accused of treason, rebellion, drug addiction, theft, fornication, and homosexuality. Many within GVCC uncritically accept these judgments about their brothers and sisters in Christ assuming that the leadership would never slander. This sin is obvious to the victims, but not commonly known among members since the slander, when coupled with shunning, serves to conceal the leadership's sin by "protecting" members from contrary information. In fact, information from ex-members may be referred to as "anthrax", "poison", etc., and members are advised to respond to ex-members who initiate contact with such statements as "I consider you as an agent of Satan in association with others of like mind . . ." In such an environment, people are easily manipulated and turned against their brothers and sisters in Christ. This grave sin requires repentance, including confession to those slandered and others to whom the accusations were explicitly made or implied.

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	+ ---- + ''2006-12-03 22:02:54'' [[nbsp]] I know a number of individuals and families who have left this church and identify it as a legitimate cult. A pastor who kept files on all the members of the congregation and people who "shun" one another if they leave the church? Um, run!! --["SoCalGal"]

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- '''["Grace Valley Christian Center"]''' (GVCC), in Davis California, is allegedly characterized by several aberrations. Many come from former attendees of the church. Keep in mind that angry individuals can leave harmful remarks in an attempt to hurt an organization they feel has hurt them. Conversely, anger is sometimes justified; just because a comment is negative doesn't mean it is true. Some of the following allegations were written by CliftonBurton.	+ '''["Grace Valley Christian Center"]''' (GVCC), in Davis California, is allegedly characterized by several aberrations. Many come from former attendees of the church. Keep in mind that angry individuals can leave harmful remarks in an attempt to hurt an organization they feel has hurt them. Conversely, anger is sometimes justified; just because a comment is negative doesn't mean it isn't true. Some of the following allegations were written by CliftonBurton.

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- '''["Grace Valley Christian Center"]''' (GVCC), in Davis California, is allegedly characterized by several aberrations. Many come from former attendees of the church. Keep in mind that angry individuals can leave harmful remarks in an attempt to hurt an organization they feel has hurt them. Conversely, anger is sometimes justified; just because a comment is negative doesn't mean it isn't true. Some of the following allegations were written by CliftonBurton.	+ '''["Grace Valley Christian Center"]''' (GVCC), in Davis California, is allegedly characterized by several aberrations. Many come from former attendees of the church. Keep in mind that angry individuals can leave harmful remarks in an attempt to hurt an organization they feel has hurt them. Conversely, anger is sometimes justified; just because a comment is negative doesn't mean it is true. Some of the following allegations were written by CliftonBurton.

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SteveOstrowski — 2007-03-14 19:22:22

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WilliamLewis — 2007-03-14 19:09:56

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- Violating confidentiality or Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.	+ Violating confidentiality, or what the Bible more commonly refers to as gossip, is a destructive practice that tears down the people of God and destroys their trust in each other. The Bible clearly condemns this practice: Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 11:9, 11:13, 16:28, 20:19, Jeremiah 6:28, 9:4, Romans 1:29, 2 Corinthians 12:20, 1 Timothy 3:11, 5:13, 2 Timothy 3:3, Titus 2:3. Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. "A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret." Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. The only time the Bible speaks of such public disclosure of sin is within the context of spiritual discipline, when the Matthew 18 model of correction has been pursued and an individual is unrepentant. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.
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- Pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following are examples of how this is manifested:	+ C.S. Lewis called pride the "essential vice", "the utmost evil", and a sin that "can smuggle itself into the very center of our religious life." Sadly, pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following are examples of how this sin is manifested:
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- It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are different than GVCC. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid".	+ It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are clearly within the mainstream theologically but with whom GVCC differs. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid". Pride is at the heart of this spiritual elitism that believes that GVCC is one of the few, perhaps the only local church that preaches the Gospel in purity.
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- Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches.	+ Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement – a trademark of Pharisaism. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches to advance the interests of the Kingdom beyond the walls of GVCC. The Apostle John encountered such a church, whose proud leader, Diotrephes, kept the church in isolation and commented:
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- The leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC's affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.	+ "I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will have nothing to do with us. So if I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, gossiping maliciously about us. Not satisfied with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church." + + Like Diotrephes, the leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC's affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.
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- The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastor's food and drink preferences, and leaders' becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members' own families and other responsibilities.	+ Another trademark of the Pharisees was that they "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogue; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them ‘Rabbi'." The honor conferred upon the Pharisees was not the issue, for we are admonished to "Honor one another above yourselves." And to honor particularly "The elders who direct the affairs of the church well . . . " The sin of the Pharisees was loving and insisting on such honor. The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastor's idiosyncratic food and drink preferences, and leaders' becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members' own families and other responsibilities. Jesus condemned the Pharisees who "tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." Rather, Jesus pointed to a humble leadership model where "the greatest among you will be your servant." + + There is a preoccupation with people's titles and degrees, and a deference to the educated, wealthy, and powerful. Boasting about one's accomplishments, financial prowess, money, wisdom, or power is not seemly for one who follows Christ. Rather, the great apostle Paul considered all such things as "rubbish" and commanded "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."
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- Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction, the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance.	+ Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction (and rightly so), the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance.
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- Oppressive leadership is seen by some to be hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel.	+ "Jesus called them together and said, ‘You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant.'" + + Those who exercise authority in the world claim a superiority over those under them, and use their power to control them. But such a mindset is contrary to the Spirit of Jesus, who did not come to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom. To be a godly leader, one must have a servant's heart, to bless those one serves in humility and to seek their advancement, and not to demand recognition or honor, or impose one's will on others. The sense of "lording it over" in this passage carries the meaning of having power over, or control of another, and it is condemned by the Lord as inappropriate for leaders in the church. + + Yet, sadly, this is the hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel. By enforcing submission to their authority in areas not clearly mandated or proscribed by Scripture, i.e. in matters of conscience, the leaders of Grace Valley Christian Center are imposing legalism, and unwittingly usurping the place of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. The consequence of this is that the members fall into an uncritical acceptance of whatever the leader says, in some cases violating their own conscience, and they gradually lose the ability to hear from God, or to decide for themselves, based on the clear meaning of Scripture. +
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	+ We find this expectation of "permanence" at Grace Valley Christian Center, which binds its members to a covenantal, life-long commitment to that local church, to be unscriptural and oppressive. No where in Scripture do we read of any individual making a life-time commitment to a local gathering of believers. In fact, marriage is the only life-long covenantal commitment between human beings supported by Scripture. Furthermore, in attestation to the witness of Scripture, we find this practice to be foreign to Christendom, not found in Protestant church history, and in Catholicism only within the confines of the monastic community.
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	+ Attempts have been made by the elders at GVCC to legitimize this practice by alluding to Luke 15:18 and Ephesians 5:31-32, passages which in no way support this doctrine. To infer, for example, that the Prodigal son's return to the father is teaching the necessity of returning to a church which you have left, is a highly improper interpretation of this parable, reading into it what was never intended. Clearly, when Jesus said of the Prodigal son: "he got up and went to his father...", he was refering to a repentant sinner's return to God through repentance and faith, not returning to his church of origin. Therefore, the parable cannot be used to support the rule of permanence.
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- = Excommunication Practices = - Excommunication is a church disciplinary action in which a person who refuses to repent of promoting heretical views, or of engaging in gross sin, is excluded from the fellowship of the church, in order that he may see the error of his ways and repent.	+ Similarly, to use Ephesians 5:25-32 to infer that the believer's commitment to his local church is analogous to the bonds of marriage, or to infer that a breach of that commitment is "spiritual adultery", as has been done on numerous occasions, is also a misuse of Scripture. Ephesians chapter 5 speaks of the relationship of husband and wife as a metaphor for the relationship of Christ and his universal Church. It cannot be applied to the relationship of a believer to a specific local church.
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- Grace Valley Christian Center has greatly abused the discipline of excommunication. In many cases, but certainly not all, the sole act of leaving the church can trigger the discipline of excommunication, although the reasons given are typically vow-breaking, or failure to appear when being summoned by the elders, which is labeled "contumacy" . Several persons have been publicly excommunicated from GVCC, after having left the church, without any warnings, and without even receiving a letter of excommunication.	+ These are but a few of examples of how Scripture is twisted to support unbiblical practices at GVCC. The Westminster Confession Chapter XX states that "the doctrines and commandments of men, which are, in any thing, contrary to His Word, or beside (outside) it, have no authority to bind the conscience", and that "to believe or obey such commandments is to betray true Christian liberty." This argument against the validity of the permanence vow, that it is extra-Biblical and a violation of Christian liberty, is the same argument which Martin Luther used to defend his breaking of the unbiblical vow of celibacy. Several reformed theologians, including Dr. Grudem, concur that any vow of life-time commitment to a local church is unscriptural and not binding (see ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Allegations/Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem" Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem])
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- Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family.	+ = Unbiblical Excommunication Practices = + Excommunication is a church disciplinary action in which a person who refuses to repent of promoting heretical views, or of engaging in gross sin, is excluded from the fellowship of the church, in order that he may see the error of his ways and repent. It is based in large part on Matthew 18:15-17 and 1 Corinthians 5:1-13. Paul gives a list of the type of offenses that are serious enough to require this discipline: "a sexually immoral or greedy person, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler." John Knox gave these biblical guidelines for excommunication to the church of Scotland: "In the first [place], it is to be noted, that all crimes that by the law of God deserve death, deserve also excommunication from the society of Christ's church. And therefore willful murderers, adulterers (lawfully convicted), sorcerers, witches, conjurers, charmers, and givers of drinks to destroy children, and open blasphemers (as if any renounce God, deny the truth and the authority of his holy word, rail against his blessed sacraments): such, we say, ought to be excommunicated from the society of Christ's church" + + Grace Valley Christian Center, however, has greatly abused the discipline of excommunication. In many cases, but certainly not all, the sole act of leaving the church can trigger the discipline of excommunication, although the reasons given are typically vow-breaking, or failure to appear when being summoned by the elders, which is labeled "contumacy" . Several persons have been publicly excommunicated from GVCC, after having left the church, without any warnings, and without even receiving a letter of excommunication. + + Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family -- contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["CliftonBurton" Clifton Burton]
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- =And A Response to the One who Responded to the Elder= - - Most of the edits are anonymous although I do appreciate you posting your name on the site. As for legal action if an individual is maliciously slandering the church it would be in their rights to at least “consider” legal action against that individual. If they have no case then there is no fear of consequence. Also if the editors are in the right and truthful as to what they say then there should be no fear of any lawsuit. But since you brought up the secular law I will counter and say that anonymous reports or complaints are generally not accepted as credible evidence. These anonymous editors are no different than an Internet blogger. - - I see nothing wrong with a pastor consulting with a person on matters of finances and business. It would be wrong for the pastor to force himself into someone else’s financial affairs but this is not stated, only implied. It should be realized that the pastor has no financial control over someone unless the pastor so happens to also be the person’s lawyer or accountant in which case he could be fired. - - Many churches would probably advise someone to seek religious advice concerning a vasectomy as it is a sin in some denominations. If it is a medical reason than it would probably be excused. And Catholic weddings always have counseling sessions, test taking, and months of preparation. Perhaps submitting all financial records and a budget is bit much, I could see your point on that. - - I find this all very interesting because there are so many churches in Davis. What really prevents someone from easily transferring to another church or denomination? It’s not like the church traps people in some spiritual or physical bind. --["SteveOstrowski"] -

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- Violating confidentiality, or what the Bible more commonly refers to as gossip, is a destructive practice that tears down the people of God and destroys their trust in each other. The Bible clearly condemns this practice: Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 11:9, 11:13, 16:28, 20:19, Jeremiah 6:28, 9:4, Romans 1:29, 2 Corinthians 12:20, 1 Timothy 3:11, 5:13, 2 Timothy 3:3, Titus 2:3. Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. "A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret." Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. The only time the Bible speaks of such public disclosure of sin is within the context of spiritual discipline, when the Matthew 18 model of correction has been pursued and an individual is unrepentant. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.	+ Violating confidentiality or Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.
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- C.S. Lewis called pride the "essential vice", "the utmost evil", and a sin that "can smuggle itself into the very center of our religious life." Sadly, pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following are examples of how this sin is manifested:	+ Pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following are examples of how this is manifested:
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- It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are clearly within the mainstream theologically but with whom GVCC differs. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid". Pride is at the heart of this spiritual elitism that believes that GVCC is one of the few, perhaps the only local church that preaches the Gospel in purity.	+ It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are different than GVCC. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid".
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- Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement – a trademark of Pharisaism. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches to advance the interests of the Kingdom beyond the walls of GVCC. The Apostle John encountered such a church, whose proud leader, Diotrephes, kept the church in isolation and commented:	+ Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches.
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- "I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will have nothing to do with us. So if I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, gossiping maliciously about us. Not satisfied with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church." - - Like Diotrephes, the leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC's affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.	+ The leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC's affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.
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- Another trademark of the Pharisees was that they "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogue; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them ‘Rabbi'." The honor conferred upon the Pharisees was not the issue, for we are admonished to "Honor one another above yourselves." And to honor particularly "The elders who direct the affairs of the church well . . . " The sin of the Pharisees was loving and insisting on such honor. The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastor's idiosyncratic food and drink preferences, and leaders' becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members' own families and other responsibilities. Jesus condemned the Pharisees who "tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." Rather, Jesus pointed to a humble leadership model where "the greatest among you will be your servant." - - There is a preoccupation with people's titles and degrees, and a deference to the educated, wealthy, and powerful. Boasting about one's accomplishments, financial prowess, money, wisdom, or power is not seemly for one who follows Christ. Rather, the great apostle Paul considered all such things as "rubbish" and commanded "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."	+ The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastor's food and drink preferences, and leaders' becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members' own families and other responsibilities.
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- Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction (and rightly so), the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance.	+ Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction, the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance.
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- "Jesus called them together and said, ‘You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant.'" - - Those who exercise authority in the world claim a superiority over those under them, and use their power to control them. But such a mindset is contrary to the Spirit of Jesus, who did not come to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom. To be a godly leader, one must have a servant's heart, to bless those one serves in humility and to seek their advancement, and not to demand recognition or honor, or impose one's will on others. The sense of "lording it over" in this passage carries the meaning of having power over, or control of another, and it is condemned by the Lord as inappropriate for leaders in the church. - - Yet, sadly, this is the hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel. By enforcing submission to their authority in areas not clearly mandated or proscribed by Scripture, i.e. in matters of conscience, the leaders of Grace Valley Christian Center are imposing legalism, and unwittingly usurping the place of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. The consequence of this is that the members fall into an uncritical acceptance of whatever the leader says, in some cases violating their own conscience, and they gradually lose the ability to hear from God, or to decide for themselves, based on the clear meaning of Scripture. -	+ Oppressive leadership is seen by some to be hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel.
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- We find this expectation of "permanence" at Grace Valley Christian Center, which binds its members to a covenantal, life-long commitment to that local church, to be unscriptural and oppressive. No where in Scripture do we read of any individual making a life-time commitment to a local gathering of believers. In fact, marriage is the only life-long covenantal commitment between human beings supported by Scripture. Furthermore, in attestation to the witness of Scripture, we find this practice to be foreign to Christendom, not found in Protestant church history, and in Catholicism only within the confines of the monastic community.
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- Attempts have been made by the elders at GVCC to legitimize this practice by alluding to Luke 15:18 and Ephesians 5:31-32, passages which in no way support this doctrine. To infer, for example, that the Prodigal son's return to the father is teaching the necessity of returning to a church which you have left, is a highly improper interpretation of this parable, reading into it what was never intended. Clearly, when Jesus said of the Prodigal son: "he got up and went to his father...", he was refering to a repentant sinner's return to God through repentance and faith, not returning to his church of origin. Therefore, the parable cannot be used to support the rule of permanence.
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- Similarly, to use Ephesians 5:25-32 to infer that the believer's commitment to his local church is analogous to the bonds of marriage, or to infer that a breach of that commitment is "spiritual adultery", as has been done on numerous occasions, is also a misuse of Scripture. Ephesians chapter 5 speaks of the relationship of husband and wife as a metaphor for the relationship of Christ and his universal Church. It cannot be applied to the relationship of a believer to a specific local church.	+ = Excommunication Practices = + Excommunication is a church disciplinary action in which a person who refuses to repent of promoting heretical views, or of engaging in gross sin, is excluded from the fellowship of the church, in order that he may see the error of his ways and repent.
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- These are but a few of examples of how Scripture is twisted to support unbiblical practices at GVCC. The Westminster Confession Chapter XX states that "the doctrines and commandments of men, which are, in any thing, contrary to His Word, or beside (outside) it, have no authority to bind the conscience", and that "to believe or obey such commandments is to betray true Christian liberty." This argument against the validity of the permanence vow, that it is extra-Biblical and a violation of Christian liberty, is the same argument which Martin Luther used to defend his breaking of the unbiblical vow of celibacy. Several reformed theologians, including Dr. Grudem, concur that any vow of life-time commitment to a local church is unscriptural and not binding (see ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Allegations/Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem" Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem])	+ Grace Valley Christian Center has greatly abused the discipline of excommunication. In many cases, but certainly not all, the sole act of leaving the church can trigger the discipline of excommunication, although the reasons given are typically vow-breaking, or failure to appear when being summoned by the elders, which is labeled "contumacy" . Several persons have been publicly excommunicated from GVCC, after having left the church, without any warnings, and without even receiving a letter of excommunication.
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- = Unbiblical Excommunication Practices = - Excommunication is a church disciplinary action in which a person who refuses to repent of promoting heretical views, or of engaging in gross sin, is excluded from the fellowship of the church, in order that he may see the error of his ways and repent. It is based in large part on Matthew 18:15-17 and 1 Corinthians 5:1-13. Paul gives a list of the type of offenses that are serious enough to require this discipline: "a sexually immoral or greedy person, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler." John Knox gave these biblical guidelines for excommunication to the church of Scotland: "In the first [place], it is to be noted, that all crimes that by the law of God deserve death, deserve also excommunication from the society of Christ's church. And therefore willful murderers, adulterers (lawfully convicted), sorcerers, witches, conjurers, charmers, and givers of drinks to destroy children, and open blasphemers (as if any renounce God, deny the truth and the authority of his holy word, rail against his blessed sacraments): such, we say, ought to be excommunicated from the society of Christ's church" - - Grace Valley Christian Center, however, has greatly abused the discipline of excommunication. In many cases, but certainly not all, the sole act of leaving the church can trigger the discipline of excommunication, although the reasons given are typically vow-breaking, or failure to appear when being summoned by the elders, which is labeled "contumacy" . Several persons have been publicly excommunicated from GVCC, after having left the church, without any warnings, and without even receiving a letter of excommunication. - - Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family -- contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["CliftonBurton" Clifton Burton]	+ Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family.
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	+ =And A Response to the One who Responded to the Elder= + + Most of the edits are anonymous although I do appreciate you posting your name on the site. As for legal action if an individual is maliciously slandering the church it would be in their rights to at least “consider” legal action against that individual. If they have no case then there is no fear of consequence. Also if the editors are in the right and truthful as to what they say then there should be no fear of any lawsuit. But since you brought up the secular law I will counter and say that anonymous reports or complaints are generally not accepted as credible evidence. These anonymous editors are no different than an Internet blogger. + + I see nothing wrong with a pastor consulting with a person on matters of finances and business. It would be wrong for the pastor to force himself into someone else’s financial affairs but this is not stated, only implied. It should be realized that the pastor has no financial control over someone unless the pastor so happens to also be the person’s lawyer or accountant in which case he could be fired. + + Many churches would probably advise someone to seek religious advice concerning a vasectomy as it is a sin in some denominations. If it is a medical reason than it would probably be excused. And Catholic weddings always have counseling sessions, test taking, and months of preparation. Perhaps submitting all financial records and a budget is bit much, I could see your point on that. + + I find this all very interesting because there are so many churches in Davis. What really prevents someone from easily transferring to another church or denomination? It’s not like the church traps people in some spiritual or physical bind. --["SteveOstrowski"] +

Grace Valley Christian Center/Allegations

WilliamLewis — 2007-03-14 19:05:05

Revert to version 56 (Stop gutting this argument. Some people actually do care about scriptural refs.).

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- Violating confidentiality or Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.	+ Violating confidentiality, or what the Bible more commonly refers to as gossip, is a destructive practice that tears down the people of God and destroys their trust in each other. The Bible clearly condemns this practice: Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 11:9, 11:13, 16:28, 20:19, Jeremiah 6:28, 9:4, Romans 1:29, 2 Corinthians 12:20, 1 Timothy 3:11, 5:13, 2 Timothy 3:3, Titus 2:3. Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. "A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret." Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. The only time the Bible speaks of such public disclosure of sin is within the context of spiritual discipline, when the Matthew 18 model of correction has been pursued and an individual is unrepentant. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.
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- Pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following are examples of how this is manifested:	+ C.S. Lewis called pride the "essential vice", "the utmost evil", and a sin that "can smuggle itself into the very center of our religious life." Sadly, pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following are examples of how this sin is manifested:
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- It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are different than GVCC. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid".	+ It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are clearly within the mainstream theologically but with whom GVCC differs. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid". Pride is at the heart of this spiritual elitism that believes that GVCC is one of the few, perhaps the only local church that preaches the Gospel in purity.
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- Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches.	+ Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement – a trademark of Pharisaism. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches to advance the interests of the Kingdom beyond the walls of GVCC. The Apostle John encountered such a church, whose proud leader, Diotrephes, kept the church in isolation and commented:
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- The leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC's affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.	+ "I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will have nothing to do with us. So if I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, gossiping maliciously about us. Not satisfied with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church." + + Like Diotrephes, the leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC's affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.
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- The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastor's food and drink preferences, and leaders' becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members' own families and other responsibilities.	+ Another trademark of the Pharisees was that they "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogue; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them ‘Rabbi'." The honor conferred upon the Pharisees was not the issue, for we are admonished to "Honor one another above yourselves." And to honor particularly "The elders who direct the affairs of the church well . . . " The sin of the Pharisees was loving and insisting on such honor. The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastor's idiosyncratic food and drink preferences, and leaders' becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members' own families and other responsibilities. Jesus condemned the Pharisees who "tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." Rather, Jesus pointed to a humble leadership model where "the greatest among you will be your servant." + + There is a preoccupation with people's titles and degrees, and a deference to the educated, wealthy, and powerful. Boasting about one's accomplishments, financial prowess, money, wisdom, or power is not seemly for one who follows Christ. Rather, the great apostle Paul considered all such things as "rubbish" and commanded "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."
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- Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction, the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance.	+ Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction (and rightly so), the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance.
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- Oppressive leadership is seen by some to be hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel.	+ "Jesus called them together and said, ‘You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant.'" + + Those who exercise authority in the world claim a superiority over those under them, and use their power to control them. But such a mindset is contrary to the Spirit of Jesus, who did not come to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom. To be a godly leader, one must have a servant's heart, to bless those one serves in humility and to seek their advancement, and not to demand recognition or honor, or impose one's will on others. The sense of "lording it over" in this passage carries the meaning of having power over, or control of another, and it is condemned by the Lord as inappropriate for leaders in the church. + + Yet, sadly, this is the hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel. By enforcing submission to their authority in areas not clearly mandated or proscribed by Scripture, i.e. in matters of conscience, the leaders of Grace Valley Christian Center are imposing legalism, and unwittingly usurping the place of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. The consequence of this is that the members fall into an uncritical acceptance of whatever the leader says, in some cases violating their own conscience, and they gradually lose the ability to hear from God, or to decide for themselves, based on the clear meaning of Scripture. +
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	+ We find this expectation of "permanence" at Grace Valley Christian Center, which binds its members to a covenantal, life-long commitment to that local church, to be unscriptural and oppressive. No where in Scripture do we read of any individual making a life-time commitment to a local gathering of believers. In fact, marriage is the only life-long covenantal commitment between human beings supported by Scripture. Furthermore, in attestation to the witness of Scripture, we find this practice to be foreign to Christendom, not found in Protestant church history, and in Catholicism only within the confines of the monastic community.
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	+ Attempts have been made by the elders at GVCC to legitimize this practice by alluding to Luke 15:18 and Ephesians 5:31-32, passages which in no way support this doctrine. To infer, for example, that the Prodigal son's return to the father is teaching the necessity of returning to a church which you have left, is a highly improper interpretation of this parable, reading into it what was never intended. Clearly, when Jesus said of the Prodigal son: "he got up and went to his father...", he was refering to a repentant sinner's return to God through repentance and faith, not returning to his church of origin. Therefore, the parable cannot be used to support the rule of permanence.
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- = Excommunication Practices = - Excommunication is a church disciplinary action in which a person who refuses to repent of promoting heretical views, or of engaging in gross sin, is excluded from the fellowship of the church, in order that he may see the error of his ways and repent.	+ Similarly, to use Ephesians 5:25-32 to infer that the believer's commitment to his local church is analogous to the bonds of marriage, or to infer that a breach of that commitment is "spiritual adultery", as has been done on numerous occasions, is also a misuse of Scripture. Ephesians chapter 5 speaks of the relationship of husband and wife as a metaphor for the relationship of Christ and his universal Church. It cannot be applied to the relationship of a believer to a specific local church.
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- Grace Valley Christian Center has greatly abused the discipline of excommunication. In many cases, but certainly not all, the sole act of leaving the church can trigger the discipline of excommunication, although the reasons given are typically vow-breaking, or failure to appear when being summoned by the elders, which is labeled "contumacy" . Several persons have been publicly excommunicated from GVCC, after having left the church, without any warnings, and without even receiving a letter of excommunication.	+ These are but a few of examples of how Scripture is twisted to support unbiblical practices at GVCC. The Westminster Confession Chapter XX states that "the doctrines and commandments of men, which are, in any thing, contrary to His Word, or beside (outside) it, have no authority to bind the conscience", and that "to believe or obey such commandments is to betray true Christian liberty." This argument against the validity of the permanence vow, that it is extra-Biblical and a violation of Christian liberty, is the same argument which Martin Luther used to defend his breaking of the unbiblical vow of celibacy. Several reformed theologians, including Dr. Grudem, concur that any vow of life-time commitment to a local church is unscriptural and not binding (see ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Allegations/Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem" Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem])
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- Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family.	+ = Unbiblical Excommunication Practices = + Excommunication is a church disciplinary action in which a person who refuses to repent of promoting heretical views, or of engaging in gross sin, is excluded from the fellowship of the church, in order that he may see the error of his ways and repent. It is based in large part on Matthew 18:15-17 and 1 Corinthians 5:1-13. Paul gives a list of the type of offenses that are serious enough to require this discipline: "a sexually immoral or greedy person, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler." John Knox gave these biblical guidelines for excommunication to the church of Scotland: "In the first [place], it is to be noted, that all crimes that by the law of God deserve death, deserve also excommunication from the society of Christ's church. And therefore willful murderers, adulterers (lawfully convicted), sorcerers, witches, conjurers, charmers, and givers of drinks to destroy children, and open blasphemers (as if any renounce God, deny the truth and the authority of his holy word, rail against his blessed sacraments): such, we say, ought to be excommunicated from the society of Christ's church" + + Grace Valley Christian Center, however, has greatly abused the discipline of excommunication. In many cases, but certainly not all, the sole act of leaving the church can trigger the discipline of excommunication, although the reasons given are typically vow-breaking, or failure to appear when being summoned by the elders, which is labeled "contumacy" . Several persons have been publicly excommunicated from GVCC, after having left the church, without any warnings, and without even receiving a letter of excommunication. + + Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family -- contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["CliftonBurton" Clifton Burton]
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- =And A Response to the One who Responded to the Elder= - - Most of the edits are anonymous although I do appreciate you posting your name on the site. As for legal action if an individual is maliciously slandering the church it would be in their rights to at least “consider” legal action against that individual. If they have no case then there is no fear of consequence. Also if the editors are in the right and truthful as to what they say then there should be no fear of any lawsuit. But since you brought up the secular law I will counter and say that anonymous reports or complaints are generally not accepted as credible evidence. These anonymous editors are no different than an Internet blogger. - - I see nothing wrong with a pastor consulting with a person on matters of finances and business. It would be wrong for the pastor to force himself into someone else’s financial affairs but this is not stated, only implied. It should be realized that the pastor has no financial control over someone unless the pastor so happens to also be the person’s lawyer or accountant in which case he could be fired. - - Many churches would probably advise someone to seek religious advice concerning a vasectomy as it is a sin in some denominations. If it is a medical reason than it would probably be excused. And Catholic weddings always have counseling sessions, test taking, and months of preparation. Perhaps submitting all financial records and a budget is bit much, I could see your point on that. - - I find this all very interesting because there are so many churches in Davis. What really prevents someone from easily transferring to another church or denomination? It’s not like the church traps people in some spiritual or physical bind. --["SteveOstrowski"] -

Grace Valley Christian Center/Allegations

SteveOstrowski — 2007-03-14 19:00:06

Revert to version 55 (It's not about disagreement, it's about fairness and ethics ).

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- Violating confidentiality, or what the Bible more commonly refers to as gossip, is a destructive practice that tears down the people of God and destroys their trust in each other. The Bible clearly condemns this practice: Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 11:9, 11:13, 16:28, 20:19, Jeremiah 6:28, 9:4, Romans 1:29, 2 Corinthians 12:20, 1 Timothy 3:11, 5:13, 2 Timothy 3:3, Titus 2:3. Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. "A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret." Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. The only time the Bible speaks of such public disclosure of sin is within the context of spiritual discipline, when the Matthew 18 model of correction has been pursued and an individual is unrepentant. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.	+ Violating confidentiality or Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.
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- C.S. Lewis called pride the "essential vice", "the utmost evil", and a sin that "can smuggle itself into the very center of our religious life." Sadly, pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following are examples of how this sin is manifested:	+ Pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following are examples of how this is manifested:
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- It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are clearly within the mainstream theologically but with whom GVCC differs. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid". Pride is at the heart of this spiritual elitism that believes that GVCC is one of the few, perhaps the only local church that preaches the Gospel in purity.	+ It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are different than GVCC. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid".
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- Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement – a trademark of Pharisaism. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches to advance the interests of the Kingdom beyond the walls of GVCC. The Apostle John encountered such a church, whose proud leader, Diotrephes, kept the church in isolation and commented:	+ Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches.
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- "I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will have nothing to do with us. So if I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, gossiping maliciously about us. Not satisfied with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church." - - Like Diotrephes, the leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC's affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.	+ The leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC's affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.
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- Another trademark of the Pharisees was that they "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogue; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them ‘Rabbi'." The honor conferred upon the Pharisees was not the issue, for we are admonished to "Honor one another above yourselves." And to honor particularly "The elders who direct the affairs of the church well . . . " The sin of the Pharisees was loving and insisting on such honor. The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastor's idiosyncratic food and drink preferences, and leaders' becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members' own families and other responsibilities. Jesus condemned the Pharisees who "tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." Rather, Jesus pointed to a humble leadership model where "the greatest among you will be your servant." - - There is a preoccupation with people's titles and degrees, and a deference to the educated, wealthy, and powerful. Boasting about one's accomplishments, financial prowess, money, wisdom, or power is not seemly for one who follows Christ. Rather, the great apostle Paul considered all such things as "rubbish" and commanded "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."	+ The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastor's food and drink preferences, and leaders' becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members' own families and other responsibilities.
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- Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction (and rightly so), the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance.	+ Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction, the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance.
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- "Jesus called them together and said, ‘You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant.'" - - Those who exercise authority in the world claim a superiority over those under them, and use their power to control them. But such a mindset is contrary to the Spirit of Jesus, who did not come to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom. To be a godly leader, one must have a servant's heart, to bless those one serves in humility and to seek their advancement, and not to demand recognition or honor, or impose one's will on others. The sense of "lording it over" in this passage carries the meaning of having power over, or control of another, and it is condemned by the Lord as inappropriate for leaders in the church. - - Yet, sadly, this is the hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel. By enforcing submission to their authority in areas not clearly mandated or proscribed by Scripture, i.e. in matters of conscience, the leaders of Grace Valley Christian Center are imposing legalism, and unwittingly usurping the place of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. The consequence of this is that the members fall into an uncritical acceptance of whatever the leader says, in some cases violating their own conscience, and they gradually lose the ability to hear from God, or to decide for themselves, based on the clear meaning of Scripture. -	+ Oppressive leadership is seen by some to be hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel.
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- We find this expectation of "permanence" at Grace Valley Christian Center, which binds its members to a covenantal, life-long commitment to that local church, to be unscriptural and oppressive. No where in Scripture do we read of any individual making a life-time commitment to a local gathering of believers. In fact, marriage is the only life-long covenantal commitment between human beings supported by Scripture. Furthermore, in attestation to the witness of Scripture, we find this practice to be foreign to Christendom, not found in Protestant church history, and in Catholicism only within the confines of the monastic community.
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- Attempts have been made by the elders at GVCC to legitimize this practice by alluding to Luke 15:18 and Ephesians 5:31-32, passages which in no way support this doctrine. To infer, for example, that the Prodigal son's return to the father is teaching the necessity of returning to a church which you have left, is a highly improper interpretation of this parable, reading into it what was never intended. Clearly, when Jesus said of the Prodigal son: "he got up and went to his father...", he was refering to a repentant sinner's return to God through repentance and faith, not returning to his church of origin. Therefore, the parable cannot be used to support the rule of permanence.
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- Similarly, to use Ephesians 5:25-32 to infer that the believer's commitment to his local church is analogous to the bonds of marriage, or to infer that a breach of that commitment is "spiritual adultery", as has been done on numerous occasions, is also a misuse of Scripture. Ephesians chapter 5 speaks of the relationship of husband and wife as a metaphor for the relationship of Christ and his universal Church. It cannot be applied to the relationship of a believer to a specific local church.	+ = Excommunication Practices = + Excommunication is a church disciplinary action in which a person who refuses to repent of promoting heretical views, or of engaging in gross sin, is excluded from the fellowship of the church, in order that he may see the error of his ways and repent.
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- These are but a few of examples of how Scripture is twisted to support unbiblical practices at GVCC. The Westminster Confession Chapter XX states that "the doctrines and commandments of men, which are, in any thing, contrary to His Word, or beside (outside) it, have no authority to bind the conscience", and that "to believe or obey such commandments is to betray true Christian liberty." This argument against the validity of the permanence vow, that it is extra-Biblical and a violation of Christian liberty, is the same argument which Martin Luther used to defend his breaking of the unbiblical vow of celibacy. Several reformed theologians, including Dr. Grudem, concur that any vow of life-time commitment to a local church is unscriptural and not binding (see ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Allegations/Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem" Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem])	+ Grace Valley Christian Center has greatly abused the discipline of excommunication. In many cases, but certainly not all, the sole act of leaving the church can trigger the discipline of excommunication, although the reasons given are typically vow-breaking, or failure to appear when being summoned by the elders, which is labeled "contumacy" . Several persons have been publicly excommunicated from GVCC, after having left the church, without any warnings, and without even receiving a letter of excommunication.
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- = Unbiblical Excommunication Practices = - Excommunication is a church disciplinary action in which a person who refuses to repent of promoting heretical views, or of engaging in gross sin, is excluded from the fellowship of the church, in order that he may see the error of his ways and repent. It is based in large part on Matthew 18:15-17 and 1 Corinthians 5:1-13. Paul gives a list of the type of offenses that are serious enough to require this discipline: "a sexually immoral or greedy person, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler." John Knox gave these biblical guidelines for excommunication to the church of Scotland: "In the first [place], it is to be noted, that all crimes that by the law of God deserve death, deserve also excommunication from the society of Christ's church. And therefore willful murderers, adulterers (lawfully convicted), sorcerers, witches, conjurers, charmers, and givers of drinks to destroy children, and open blasphemers (as if any renounce God, deny the truth and the authority of his holy word, rail against his blessed sacraments): such, we say, ought to be excommunicated from the society of Christ's church" - - Grace Valley Christian Center, however, has greatly abused the discipline of excommunication. In many cases, but certainly not all, the sole act of leaving the church can trigger the discipline of excommunication, although the reasons given are typically vow-breaking, or failure to appear when being summoned by the elders, which is labeled "contumacy" . Several persons have been publicly excommunicated from GVCC, after having left the church, without any warnings, and without even receiving a letter of excommunication. - - Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family -- contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["CliftonBurton" Clifton Burton]	+ Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family.
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	+ =And A Response to the One who Responded to the Elder= + + Most of the edits are anonymous although I do appreciate you posting your name on the site. As for legal action if an individual is maliciously slandering the church it would be in their rights to at least “consider” legal action against that individual. If they have no case then there is no fear of consequence. Also if the editors are in the right and truthful as to what they say then there should be no fear of any lawsuit. But since you brought up the secular law I will counter and say that anonymous reports or complaints are generally not accepted as credible evidence. These anonymous editors are no different than an Internet blogger. + + I see nothing wrong with a pastor consulting with a person on matters of finances and business. It would be wrong for the pastor to force himself into someone else’s financial affairs but this is not stated, only implied. It should be realized that the pastor has no financial control over someone unless the pastor so happens to also be the person’s lawyer or accountant in which case he could be fired. + + Many churches would probably advise someone to seek religious advice concerning a vasectomy as it is a sin in some denominations. If it is a medical reason than it would probably be excused. And Catholic weddings always have counseling sessions, test taking, and months of preparation. Perhaps submitting all financial records and a budget is bit much, I could see your point on that. + + I find this all very interesting because there are so many churches in Davis. What really prevents someone from easily transferring to another church or denomination? It’s not like the church traps people in some spiritual or physical bind. --["SteveOstrowski"] +

Grace Valley Christian Center/Allegations

WilliamLewis — 2007-03-14 18:59:05

Revert to version 54 (Steve, don't delete because you disagree.).

Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center/Allegations

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- Violating confidentiality or Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.	+ Violating confidentiality, or what the Bible more commonly refers to as gossip, is a destructive practice that tears down the people of God and destroys their trust in each other. The Bible clearly condemns this practice: Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 11:9, 11:13, 16:28, 20:19, Jeremiah 6:28, 9:4, Romans 1:29, 2 Corinthians 12:20, 1 Timothy 3:11, 5:13, 2 Timothy 3:3, Titus 2:3. Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. "A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret." Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. The only time the Bible speaks of such public disclosure of sin is within the context of spiritual discipline, when the Matthew 18 model of correction has been pursued and an individual is unrepentant. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.
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- Pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following are examples of how this is manifested:	+ C.S. Lewis called pride the "essential vice", "the utmost evil", and a sin that "can smuggle itself into the very center of our religious life." Sadly, pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following are examples of how this sin is manifested:
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- It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are different than GVCC. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid".	+ It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are clearly within the mainstream theologically but with whom GVCC differs. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid". Pride is at the heart of this spiritual elitism that believes that GVCC is one of the few, perhaps the only local church that preaches the Gospel in purity.
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- Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches.	+ Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement – a trademark of Pharisaism. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches to advance the interests of the Kingdom beyond the walls of GVCC. The Apostle John encountered such a church, whose proud leader, Diotrephes, kept the church in isolation and commented:
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- The leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC's affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.	+ "I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will have nothing to do with us. So if I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, gossiping maliciously about us. Not satisfied with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church." + + Like Diotrephes, the leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC's affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.
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- The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastor's food and drink preferences, and leaders' becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members' own families and other responsibilities.	+ Another trademark of the Pharisees was that they "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogue; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them ‘Rabbi'." The honor conferred upon the Pharisees was not the issue, for we are admonished to "Honor one another above yourselves." And to honor particularly "The elders who direct the affairs of the church well . . . " The sin of the Pharisees was loving and insisting on such honor. The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastor's idiosyncratic food and drink preferences, and leaders' becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members' own families and other responsibilities. Jesus condemned the Pharisees who "tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." Rather, Jesus pointed to a humble leadership model where "the greatest among you will be your servant." + + There is a preoccupation with people's titles and degrees, and a deference to the educated, wealthy, and powerful. Boasting about one's accomplishments, financial prowess, money, wisdom, or power is not seemly for one who follows Christ. Rather, the great apostle Paul considered all such things as "rubbish" and commanded "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."
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- Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction, the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance.	+ Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction (and rightly so), the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance.
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- Oppressive leadership is seen by some to be hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel.	+ "Jesus called them together and said, ‘You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant.'" + + Those who exercise authority in the world claim a superiority over those under them, and use their power to control them. But such a mindset is contrary to the Spirit of Jesus, who did not come to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom. To be a godly leader, one must have a servant's heart, to bless those one serves in humility and to seek their advancement, and not to demand recognition or honor, or impose one's will on others. The sense of "lording it over" in this passage carries the meaning of having power over, or control of another, and it is condemned by the Lord as inappropriate for leaders in the church. + + Yet, sadly, this is the hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel. By enforcing submission to their authority in areas not clearly mandated or proscribed by Scripture, i.e. in matters of conscience, the leaders of Grace Valley Christian Center are imposing legalism, and unwittingly usurping the place of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. The consequence of this is that the members fall into an uncritical acceptance of whatever the leader says, in some cases violating their own conscience, and they gradually lose the ability to hear from God, or to decide for themselves, based on the clear meaning of Scripture. +
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	+ We find this expectation of "permanence" at Grace Valley Christian Center, which binds its members to a covenantal, life-long commitment to that local church, to be unscriptural and oppressive. No where in Scripture do we read of any individual making a life-time commitment to a local gathering of believers. In fact, marriage is the only life-long covenantal commitment between human beings supported by Scripture. Furthermore, in attestation to the witness of Scripture, we find this practice to be foreign to Christendom, not found in Protestant church history, and in Catholicism only within the confines of the monastic community.
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	+ Attempts have been made by the elders at GVCC to legitimize this practice by alluding to Luke 15:18 and Ephesians 5:31-32, passages which in no way support this doctrine. To infer, for example, that the Prodigal son's return to the father is teaching the necessity of returning to a church which you have left, is a highly improper interpretation of this parable, reading into it what was never intended. Clearly, when Jesus said of the Prodigal son: "he got up and went to his father...", he was refering to a repentant sinner's return to God through repentance and faith, not returning to his church of origin. Therefore, the parable cannot be used to support the rule of permanence.
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- = Excommunication Practices = - Excommunication is a church disciplinary action in which a person who refuses to repent of promoting heretical views, or of engaging in gross sin, is excluded from the fellowship of the church, in order that he may see the error of his ways and repent.	+ Similarly, to use Ephesians 5:25-32 to infer that the believer's commitment to his local church is analogous to the bonds of marriage, or to infer that a breach of that commitment is "spiritual adultery", as has been done on numerous occasions, is also a misuse of Scripture. Ephesians chapter 5 speaks of the relationship of husband and wife as a metaphor for the relationship of Christ and his universal Church. It cannot be applied to the relationship of a believer to a specific local church.
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- Grace Valley Christian Center has greatly abused the discipline of excommunication. In many cases, but certainly not all, the sole act of leaving the church can trigger the discipline of excommunication, although the reasons given are typically vow-breaking, or failure to appear when being summoned by the elders, which is labeled "contumacy" . Several persons have been publicly excommunicated from GVCC, after having left the church, without any warnings, and without even receiving a letter of excommunication.	+ These are but a few of examples of how Scripture is twisted to support unbiblical practices at GVCC. The Westminster Confession Chapter XX states that "the doctrines and commandments of men, which are, in any thing, contrary to His Word, or beside (outside) it, have no authority to bind the conscience", and that "to believe or obey such commandments is to betray true Christian liberty." This argument against the validity of the permanence vow, that it is extra-Biblical and a violation of Christian liberty, is the same argument which Martin Luther used to defend his breaking of the unbiblical vow of celibacy. Several reformed theologians, including Dr. Grudem, concur that any vow of life-time commitment to a local church is unscriptural and not binding (see ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Allegations/Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem" Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem])
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- Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family.	+ = Unbiblical Excommunication Practices = + Excommunication is a church disciplinary action in which a person who refuses to repent of promoting heretical views, or of engaging in gross sin, is excluded from the fellowship of the church, in order that he may see the error of his ways and repent. It is based in large part on Matthew 18:15-17 and 1 Corinthians 5:1-13. Paul gives a list of the type of offenses that are serious enough to require this discipline: "a sexually immoral or greedy person, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler." John Knox gave these biblical guidelines for excommunication to the church of Scotland: "In the first [place], it is to be noted, that all crimes that by the law of God deserve death, deserve also excommunication from the society of Christ's church. And therefore willful murderers, adulterers (lawfully convicted), sorcerers, witches, conjurers, charmers, and givers of drinks to destroy children, and open blasphemers (as if any renounce God, deny the truth and the authority of his holy word, rail against his blessed sacraments): such, we say, ought to be excommunicated from the society of Christ's church" + + Grace Valley Christian Center, however, has greatly abused the discipline of excommunication. In many cases, but certainly not all, the sole act of leaving the church can trigger the discipline of excommunication, although the reasons given are typically vow-breaking, or failure to appear when being summoned by the elders, which is labeled "contumacy" . Several persons have been publicly excommunicated from GVCC, after having left the church, without any warnings, and without even receiving a letter of excommunication. + + Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family -- contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["CliftonBurton" Clifton Burton]
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- =And A Response to the One who Responded to the Elder= - - Most of the edits are anonymous although I do appreciate you posting your name on the site. As for legal action if an individual is maliciously slandering the church it would be in their rights to at least “consider” legal action against that individual. If they have no case then there is no fear of consequence. Also if the editors are in the right and truthful as to what they say then there should be no fear of any lawsuit. But since you brought up the secular law I will counter and say that anonymous reports or complaints are generally not accepted as credible evidence. These anonymous editors are no different than an Internet blogger. - - I see nothing wrong with a pastor consulting with a person on matters of finances and business. It would be wrong for the pastor to force himself into someone else’s financial affairs but this is not stated, only implied. It should be realized that the pastor has no financial control over someone unless the pastor so happens to also be the person’s lawyer or accountant in which case he could be fired. - - Many churches would probably advise someone to seek religious advice concerning a vasectomy as it is a sin in some denominations. If it is a medical reason than it would probably be excused. And Catholic weddings always have counseling sessions, test taking, and months of preparation. Perhaps submitting all financial records and a budget is bit much, I could see your point on that. - - I find this all very interesting because there are so many churches in Davis. What really prevents someone from easily transferring to another church or denomination? It’s not like the church traps people in some spiritual or physical bind. --["SteveOstrowski"] -

Grace Valley Christian Center/Allegations

SteveOstrowski — 2007-03-14 18:56:37

Revert to version 53 (Just Biblical rants ).

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- Violating confidentiality, or what the Bible more commonly refers to as gossip, is a destructive practice that tears down the people of God and destroys their trust in each other. The Bible clearly condemns this practice: Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 11:9, 11:13, 16:28, 20:19, Jeremiah 6:28, 9:4, Romans 1:29, 2 Corinthians 12:20, 1 Timothy 3:11, 5:13, 2 Timothy 3:3, Titus 2:3. Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. "A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret." Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. The only time the Bible speaks of such public disclosure of sin is within the context of spiritual discipline, when the Matthew 18 model of correction has been pursued and an individual is unrepentant. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.	+ Violating confidentiality or Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.
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- C.S. Lewis called pride the "essential vice", "the utmost evil", and a sin that "can smuggle itself into the very center of our religious life." Sadly, pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following are examples of how this sin is manifested:	+ Pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following are examples of how this is manifested:
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- It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are clearly within the mainstream theologically but with whom GVCC differs. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid". Pride is at the heart of this spiritual elitism that believes that GVCC is one of the few, perhaps the only local church that preaches the Gospel in purity.	+ It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are different than GVCC. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid".
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- Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement – a trademark of Pharisaism. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches to advance the interests of the Kingdom beyond the walls of GVCC. The Apostle John encountered such a church, whose proud leader, Diotrephes, kept the church in isolation and commented:	+ Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches.
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- "I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will have nothing to do with us. So if I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, gossiping maliciously about us. Not satisfied with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church." - - Like Diotrephes, the leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC's affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.	+ The leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC's affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.
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- Another trademark of the Pharisees was that they "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogue; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them ‘Rabbi'." The honor conferred upon the Pharisees was not the issue, for we are admonished to "Honor one another above yourselves." And to honor particularly "The elders who direct the affairs of the church well . . . " The sin of the Pharisees was loving and insisting on such honor. The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastor's idiosyncratic food and drink preferences, and leaders' becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members' own families and other responsibilities. Jesus condemned the Pharisees who "tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." Rather, Jesus pointed to a humble leadership model where "the greatest among you will be your servant." - - There is a preoccupation with people's titles and degrees, and a deference to the educated, wealthy, and powerful. Boasting about one's accomplishments, financial prowess, money, wisdom, or power is not seemly for one who follows Christ. Rather, the great apostle Paul considered all such things as "rubbish" and commanded "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."	+ The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastor's food and drink preferences, and leaders' becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members' own families and other responsibilities.
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- Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction (and rightly so), the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance.	+ Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction, the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance.
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- "Jesus called them together and said, ‘You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant.'" - - Those who exercise authority in the world claim a superiority over those under them, and use their power to control them. But such a mindset is contrary to the Spirit of Jesus, who did not come to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom. To be a godly leader, one must have a servant's heart, to bless those one serves in humility and to seek their advancement, and not to demand recognition or honor, or impose one's will on others. The sense of "lording it over" in this passage carries the meaning of having power over, or control of another, and it is condemned by the Lord as inappropriate for leaders in the church. - - Yet, sadly, this is the hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel. By enforcing submission to their authority in areas not clearly mandated or proscribed by Scripture, i.e. in matters of conscience, the leaders of Grace Valley Christian Center are imposing legalism, and unwittingly usurping the place of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. The consequence of this is that the members fall into an uncritical acceptance of whatever the leader says, in some cases violating their own conscience, and they gradually lose the ability to hear from God, or to decide for themselves, based on the clear meaning of Scripture. -	+ Oppressive leadership is seen by some to be hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel.
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- We find this expectation of "permanence" at Grace Valley Christian Center, which binds its members to a covenantal, life-long commitment to that local church, to be unscriptural and oppressive. No where in Scripture do we read of any individual making a life-time commitment to a local gathering of believers. In fact, marriage is the only life-long covenantal commitment between human beings supported by Scripture. Furthermore, in attestation to the witness of Scripture, we find this practice to be foreign to Christendom, not found in Protestant church history, and in Catholicism only within the confines of the monastic community.
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- Attempts have been made by the elders at GVCC to legitimize this practice by alluding to Luke 15:18 and Ephesians 5:31-32, passages which in no way support this doctrine. To infer, for example, that the Prodigal son's return to the father is teaching the necessity of returning to a church which you have left, is a highly improper interpretation of this parable, reading into it what was never intended. Clearly, when Jesus said of the Prodigal son: "he got up and went to his father...", he was refering to a repentant sinner's return to God through repentance and faith, not returning to his church of origin. Therefore, the parable cannot be used to support the rule of permanence.
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- Similarly, to use Ephesians 5:25-32 to infer that the believer's commitment to his local church is analogous to the bonds of marriage, or to infer that a breach of that commitment is "spiritual adultery", as has been done on numerous occasions, is also a misuse of Scripture. Ephesians chapter 5 speaks of the relationship of husband and wife as a metaphor for the relationship of Christ and his universal Church. It cannot be applied to the relationship of a believer to a specific local church.	+ = Excommunication Practices = + Excommunication is a church disciplinary action in which a person who refuses to repent of promoting heretical views, or of engaging in gross sin, is excluded from the fellowship of the church, in order that he may see the error of his ways and repent.
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- These are but a few of examples of how Scripture is twisted to support unbiblical practices at GVCC. The Westminster Confession Chapter XX states that "the doctrines and commandments of men, which are, in any thing, contrary to His Word, or beside (outside) it, have no authority to bind the conscience", and that "to believe or obey such commandments is to betray true Christian liberty." This argument against the validity of the permanence vow, that it is extra-Biblical and a violation of Christian liberty, is the same argument which Martin Luther used to defend his breaking of the unbiblical vow of celibacy. Several reformed theologians, including Dr. Grudem, concur that any vow of life-time commitment to a local church is unscriptural and not binding (see ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Allegations/Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem" Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem])	+ Grace Valley Christian Center has greatly abused the discipline of excommunication. In many cases, but certainly not all, the sole act of leaving the church can trigger the discipline of excommunication, although the reasons given are typically vow-breaking, or failure to appear when being summoned by the elders, which is labeled "contumacy" . Several persons have been publicly excommunicated from GVCC, after having left the church, without any warnings, and without even receiving a letter of excommunication.
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- = Unbiblical Excommunication Practices = - Excommunication is a church disciplinary action in which a person who refuses to repent of promoting heretical views, or of engaging in gross sin, is excluded from the fellowship of the church, in order that he may see the error of his ways and repent. It is based in large part on Matthew 18:15-17 and 1 Corinthians 5:1-13. Paul gives a list of the type of offenses that are serious enough to require this discipline: "a sexually immoral or greedy person, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler." John Knox gave these biblical guidelines for excommunication to the church of Scotland: "In the first [place], it is to be noted, that all crimes that by the law of God deserve death, deserve also excommunication from the society of Christ's church. And therefore willful murderers, adulterers (lawfully convicted), sorcerers, witches, conjurers, charmers, and givers of drinks to destroy children, and open blasphemers (as if any renounce God, deny the truth and the authority of his holy word, rail against his blessed sacraments): such, we say, ought to be excommunicated from the society of Christ's church" - - Grace Valley Christian Center, however, has greatly abused the discipline of excommunication. In many cases, but certainly not all, the sole act of leaving the church can trigger the discipline of excommunication, although the reasons given are typically vow-breaking, or failure to appear when being summoned by the elders, which is labeled "contumacy" . Several persons have been publicly excommunicated from GVCC, after having left the church, without any warnings, and without even receiving a letter of excommunication. - - Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family -- contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["CliftonBurton" Clifton Burton]	+ Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family.
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	+ =And A Response to the One who Responded to the Elder= + + Most of the edits are anonymous although I do appreciate you posting your name on the site. As for legal action if an individual is maliciously slandering the church it would be in their rights to at least “consider” legal action against that individual. If they have no case then there is no fear of consequence. Also if the editors are in the right and truthful as to what they say then there should be no fear of any lawsuit. But since you brought up the secular law I will counter and say that anonymous reports or complaints are generally not accepted as credible evidence. These anonymous editors are no different than an Internet blogger. + + I see nothing wrong with a pastor consulting with a person on matters of finances and business. It would be wrong for the pastor to force himself into someone else’s financial affairs but this is not stated, only implied. It should be realized that the pastor has no financial control over someone unless the pastor so happens to also be the person’s lawyer or accountant in which case he could be fired. + + Many churches would probably advise someone to seek religious advice concerning a vasectomy as it is a sin in some denominations. If it is a medical reason than it would probably be excused. And Catholic weddings always have counseling sessions, test taking, and months of preparation. Perhaps submitting all financial records and a budget is bit much, I could see your point on that. + + I find this all very interesting because there are so many churches in Davis. What really prevents someone from easily transferring to another church or denomination? It’s not like the church traps people in some spiritual or physical bind. --["SteveOstrowski"] +

Grace Valley Christian Center/Allegations

WilliamLewis — 2007-03-14 18:54:14

Revert to version 43 (Allegations of specific person who isn't you, Steve.).

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- Violating confidentiality or Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.	+ Violating confidentiality, or what the Bible more commonly refers to as gossip, is a destructive practice that tears down the people of God and destroys their trust in each other. The Bible clearly condemns this practice: Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 11:9, 11:13, 16:28, 20:19, Jeremiah 6:28, 9:4, Romans 1:29, 2 Corinthians 12:20, 1 Timothy 3:11, 5:13, 2 Timothy 3:3, Titus 2:3. Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. "A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret." Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. The only time the Bible speaks of such public disclosure of sin is within the context of spiritual discipline, when the Matthew 18 model of correction has been pursued and an individual is unrepentant. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.
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- Pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following are examples of how this is manifested:	+ C.S. Lewis called pride the "essential vice", "the utmost evil", and a sin that "can smuggle itself into the very center of our religious life." Sadly, pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following are examples of how this sin is manifested:
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- It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are different than GVCC. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid".	+ It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are clearly within the mainstream theologically but with whom GVCC differs. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid". Pride is at the heart of this spiritual elitism that believes that GVCC is one of the few, perhaps the only local church that preaches the Gospel in purity.
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- Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches.	+ Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement – a trademark of Pharisaism. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches to advance the interests of the Kingdom beyond the walls of GVCC. The Apostle John encountered such a church, whose proud leader, Diotrephes, kept the church in isolation and commented:
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- The leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC's affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.	+ "I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will have nothing to do with us. So if I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, gossiping maliciously about us. Not satisfied with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church." + + Like Diotrephes, the leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC's affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.
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- The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastor's food and drink preferences, and leaders' becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members' own families and other responsibilities.	+ Another trademark of the Pharisees was that they "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogue; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them ‘Rabbi'." The honor conferred upon the Pharisees was not the issue, for we are admonished to "Honor one another above yourselves." And to honor particularly "The elders who direct the affairs of the church well . . . " The sin of the Pharisees was loving and insisting on such honor. The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastor's idiosyncratic food and drink preferences, and leaders' becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members' own families and other responsibilities. Jesus condemned the Pharisees who "tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." Rather, Jesus pointed to a humble leadership model where "the greatest among you will be your servant." + + There is a preoccupation with people's titles and degrees, and a deference to the educated, wealthy, and powerful. Boasting about one's accomplishments, financial prowess, money, wisdom, or power is not seemly for one who follows Christ. Rather, the great apostle Paul considered all such things as "rubbish" and commanded "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."
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- Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction, the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance.	+ Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction (and rightly so), the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance.
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- Oppressive leadership is seen by some to be hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel.	+ "Jesus called them together and said, ‘You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant.'" + + Those who exercise authority in the world claim a superiority over those under them, and use their power to control them. But such a mindset is contrary to the Spirit of Jesus, who did not come to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom. To be a godly leader, one must have a servant's heart, to bless those one serves in humility and to seek their advancement, and not to demand recognition or honor, or impose one's will on others. The sense of "lording it over" in this passage carries the meaning of having power over, or control of another, and it is condemned by the Lord as inappropriate for leaders in the church. + + Yet, sadly, this is the hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel. By enforcing submission to their authority in areas not clearly mandated or proscribed by Scripture, i.e. in matters of conscience, the leaders of Grace Valley Christian Center are imposing legalism, and unwittingly usurping the place of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. The consequence of this is that the members fall into an uncritical acceptance of whatever the leader says, in some cases violating their own conscience, and they gradually lose the ability to hear from God, or to decide for themselves, based on the clear meaning of Scripture. +
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	+ We find this expectation of "permanence" at Grace Valley Christian Center, which binds its members to a covenantal, life-long commitment to that local church, to be unscriptural and oppressive. No where in Scripture do we read of any individual making a life-time commitment to a local gathering of believers. In fact, marriage is the only life-long covenantal commitment between human beings supported by Scripture. Furthermore, in attestation to the witness of Scripture, we find this practice to be foreign to Christendom, not found in Protestant church history, and in Catholicism only within the confines of the monastic community.
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	+ Attempts have been made by the elders at GVCC to legitimize this practice by alluding to Luke 15:18 and Ephesians 5:31-32, passages which in no way support this doctrine. To infer, for example, that the Prodigal son's return to the father is teaching the necessity of returning to a church which you have left, is a highly improper interpretation of this parable, reading into it what was never intended. Clearly, when Jesus said of the Prodigal son: "he got up and went to his father...", he was refering to a repentant sinner's return to God through repentance and faith, not returning to his church of origin. Therefore, the parable cannot be used to support the rule of permanence.
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- Grace Valley Christian Center has greatly abused the discipline of excommunication. In many cases, but certainly not all, the sole act of leaving the church can trigger the discipline of excommunication, although the reasons given are typically vow-breaking, or failure to appear when being summoned by the elders, which is labeled "contumacy" . Several persons have been publicly excommunicated from GVCC, after having left the church, without any warnings, and without even receiving a letter of excommunication.	+ These are but a few of examples of how Scripture is twisted to support unbiblical practices at GVCC. The Westminster Confession Chapter XX states that "the doctrines and commandments of men, which are, in any thing, contrary to His Word, or beside (outside) it, have no authority to bind the conscience", and that "to believe or obey such commandments is to betray true Christian liberty." This argument against the validity of the permanence vow, that it is extra-Biblical and a violation of Christian liberty, is the same argument which Martin Luther used to defend his breaking of the unbiblical vow of celibacy. Several reformed theologians, including Dr. Grudem, concur that any vow of life-time commitment to a local church is unscriptural and not binding (see ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Allegations/Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem" Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem])
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- Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family.	+ = Unbiblical Excommunication Practices = + Excommunication is a church disciplinary action in which a person who refuses to repent of promoting heretical views, or of engaging in gross sin, is excluded from the fellowship of the church, in order that he may see the error of his ways and repent. It is based in large part on Matthew 18:15-17 and 1 Corinthians 5:1-13. Paul gives a list of the type of offenses that are serious enough to require this discipline: "a sexually immoral or greedy person, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler." John Knox gave these biblical guidelines for excommunication to the church of Scotland: "In the first [place], it is to be noted, that all crimes that by the law of God deserve death, deserve also excommunication from the society of Christ's church. And therefore willful murderers, adulterers (lawfully convicted), sorcerers, witches, conjurers, charmers, and givers of drinks to destroy children, and open blasphemers (as if any renounce God, deny the truth and the authority of his holy word, rail against his blessed sacraments): such, we say, ought to be excommunicated from the society of Christ's church" + + Grace Valley Christian Center, however, has greatly abused the discipline of excommunication. In many cases, but certainly not all, the sole act of leaving the church can trigger the discipline of excommunication, although the reasons given are typically vow-breaking, or failure to appear when being summoned by the elders, which is labeled "contumacy" . Several persons have been publicly excommunicated from GVCC, after having left the church, without any warnings, and without even receiving a letter of excommunication. + + Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family -- contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["CliftonBurton" Clifton Burton]
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- =And A Response to the One who Responded to the Elder= - - Most of the edits are anonymous although I do appreciate you posting your name on the site. As for legal action if an individual is maliciously slandering the church it would be in their rights to at least “consider” legal action against that individual. If they have no case then there is no fear of consequence. Also if the editors are in the right and truthful as to what they say then there should be no fear of any lawsuit. But since you brought up the secular law I will counter and say that anonymous reports or complaints are generally not accepted as credible evidence. These anonymous editors are no different than an Internet blogger. - - I see nothing wrong with a pastor consulting with a person on matters of finances and business. It would be wrong for the pastor to force himself into someone else’s financial affairs but this is not stated, only implied. It should be realized that the pastor has no financial control over someone unless the pastor so happens to also be the person’s lawyer or accountant in which case he could be fired. - - Many churches would probably advise someone to seek religious advice concerning a vasectomy as it is a sin in some denominations. If it is a medical reason than it would probably be excused. And Catholic weddings always have counseling sessions, test taking, and months of preparation. Perhaps submitting all financial records and a budget is bit much, I could see your point on that. - - I find this all very interesting because there are so many churches in Davis. What really prevents someone from easily transferring to another church or denomination? It’s not like the church traps people in some spiritual or physical bind. --["SteveOstrowski"] -

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SteveOstrowski — 2007-03-14 18:29:27

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SteveOstrowski — 2007-03-14 18:24:32

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	+ =And A Response to the One who Responded to the Elder= + + Most of the edits are anonymous although I do appreciate you posting your name on the site. As for legal action if an individual is maliciously slandering the church it would be in their rights to at least “consider” legal action against that individual. If they have no case then there is no fear of consequence. Also if the editors are in the right and truthful as to what they say then there should be no fear of any lawsuit. But since you brought up the secular law I will counter and say that anonymous reports or complaints are generally not accepted as credible evidence. These anonymous editors are no different than an Internet blogger. + + I see nothing wrong with a pastor consulting with a person on matters of finances and business. It would be wrong for the pastor to force himself into someone else’s financial affairs but this is not stated, only implied. It should be realized that the pastor has no financial control over someone unless the pastor so happens to also be the person’s lawyer or accountant in which case he could be fired. + + Many churches would probably advise someone to seek religious advice concerning a vasectomy as it is a sin in some denominations. If it is a medical reason than it would probably be excused. And Catholic weddings always have counseling sessions, test taking, and months of preparation. Perhaps submitting all financial records and a budget is bit much, I could see your point on that. + + I find this all very interesting because there are so many churches in Davis. What really prevents someone from easily transferring to another church or denomination? It’s not like the church traps people in some spiritual or physical bind. --["SteveOstrowski"] +

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SteveOstrowski — 2007-03-14 18:08:56

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- = Unbiblical Excommunication Practices = - Excommunication is a church disciplinary action in which a person who refuses to repent of promoting heretical views, or of engaging in gross sin, is excluded from the fellowship of the church, in order that he may see the error of his ways and repent. It is based in large part on Matthew 18:15-17 and 1 Corinthians 5:1-13. Paul gives a list of the type of offenses that are serious enough to require this discipline: "a sexually immoral or greedy person, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler." John Knox gave these biblical guidelines for excommunication to the church of Scotland: "In the first [place], it is to be noted, that all crimes that by the law of God deserve death, deserve also excommunication from the society of Christ's church. And therefore willful murderers, adulterers (lawfully convicted), sorcerers, witches, conjurers, charmers, and givers of drinks to destroy children, and open blasphemers (as if any renounce God, deny the truth and the authority of his holy word, rail against his blessed sacraments): such, we say, ought to be excommunicated from the society of Christ's church"	+ = Excommunication Practices = + Excommunication is a church disciplinary action in which a person who refuses to repent of promoting heretical views, or of engaging in gross sin, is excluded from the fellowship of the church, in order that he may see the error of his ways and repent.
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- Grace Valley Christian Center, however, has greatly abused the discipline of excommunication. In many cases, but certainly not all, the sole act of leaving the church can trigger the discipline of excommunication, although the reasons given are typically vow-breaking, or failure to appear when being summoned by the elders, which is labeled "contumacy" . Several persons have been publicly excommunicated from GVCC, after having left the church, without any warnings, and without even receiving a letter of excommunication.	+ Grace Valley Christian Center has greatly abused the discipline of excommunication. In many cases, but certainly not all, the sole act of leaving the church can trigger the discipline of excommunication, although the reasons given are typically vow-breaking, or failure to appear when being summoned by the elders, which is labeled "contumacy" . Several persons have been publicly excommunicated from GVCC, after having left the church, without any warnings, and without even receiving a letter of excommunication.
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- Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family -- contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["CliftonBurton" Clifton Burton]	+ Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family.

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SteveOstrowski — 2007-03-14 18:06:43

Who is we?

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- We find this expectation of "permanence" at Grace Valley Christian Center, which binds its members to a covenantal, life-long commitment to that local church, to be unscriptural and oppressive. No where in Scripture do we read of any individual making a life-time commitment to a local gathering of believers. In fact, marriage is the only life-long covenantal commitment between human beings supported by Scripture. Furthermore, in attestation to the witness of Scripture, we find this practice to be foreign to Christendom, not found in Protestant church history, and in Catholicism only within the confines of the monastic community. - - Attempts have been made by the elders at GVCC to legitimize this practice by alluding to Luke 15:18 and Ephesians 5:31-32, passages which in no way support this doctrine. To infer, for example, that the Prodigal son's return to the father is teaching the necessity of returning to a church which you have left, is a highly improper interpretation of this parable, reading into it what was never intended. Clearly, when Jesus said of the Prodigal son: "he got up and went to his father...", he was refering to a repentant sinner's return to God through repentance and faith, not returning to his church of origin. Therefore, the parable cannot be used to support the rule of permanence. - - Similarly, to use Ephesians 5:25-32 to infer that the believer's commitment to his local church is analogous to the bonds of marriage, or to infer that a breach of that commitment is "spiritual adultery", as has been done on numerous occasions, is also a misuse of Scripture. Ephesians chapter 5 speaks of the relationship of husband and wife as a metaphor for the relationship of Christ and his universal Church. It cannot be applied to the relationship of a believer to a specific local church. - - These are but a few of examples of how Scripture is twisted to support unbiblical practices at GVCC. The Westminster Confession Chapter XX states that "the doctrines and commandments of men, which are, in any thing, contrary to His Word, or beside (outside) it, have no authority to bind the conscience", and that "to believe or obey such commandments is to betray true Christian liberty." This argument against the validity of the permanence vow, that it is extra-Biblical and a violation of Christian liberty, is the same argument which Martin Luther used to defend his breaking of the unbiblical vow of celibacy. Several reformed theologians, including Dr. Grudem, concur that any vow of life-time commitment to a local church is unscriptural and not binding (see ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Allegations/Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem" Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem])	+ (see ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Allegations/Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem" Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem])

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SteveOstrowski — 2007-03-14 18:05:08

needless argument

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- - Those who exercise authority in the world claim a superiority over those under them, and use their power to control them. But such a mindset is contrary to the Spirit of Jesus, who did not come to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom. To be a godly leader, one must have a servant's heart, to bless those one serves in humility and to seek their advancement, and not to demand recognition or honor, or impose one's will on others. The sense of "lording it over" in this passage carries the meaning of having power over, or control of another, and it is condemned by the Lord as inappropriate for leaders in the church. - - Yet, sadly, this is the hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel. By enforcing submission to their authority in areas not clearly mandated or proscribed by Scripture, i.e. in matters of conscience, the leaders of Grace Valley Christian Center are imposing legalism, and unwittingly usurping the place of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. The consequence of this is that the members fall into an uncritical acceptance of whatever the leader says, in some cases violating their own conscience, and they gradually lose the ability to hear from God, or to decide for themselves, based on the clear meaning of Scripture. -	+ Oppressive leadership is seen by some to be hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel.

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SteveOstrowski — 2007-03-14 18:02:56

Incredible bias

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- Another trademark of the Pharisees was that they "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogue; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them ‘Rabbi'." The honor conferred upon the Pharisees was not the issue, for we are admonished to "Honor one another above yourselves." And to honor particularly "The elders who direct the affairs of the church well . . . " The sin of the Pharisees was loving and insisting on such honor. The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastor's idiosyncratic food and drink preferences, and leaders' becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members' own families and other responsibilities. Jesus condemned the Pharisees who "tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." Rather, Jesus pointed to a humble leadership model where "the greatest among you will be your servant." - - There is a preoccupation with people's titles and degrees, and a deference to the educated, wealthy, and powerful. Boasting about one's accomplishments, financial prowess, money, wisdom, or power is not seemly for one who follows Christ. Rather, the great apostle Paul considered all such things as "rubbish" and commanded "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."	+ The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastor's food and drink preferences, and leaders' becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members' own families and other responsibilities.
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- Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction (and rightly so), the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance.	+ Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction, the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance.
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- "Jesus called them together and said, ‘You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant.'"

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SteveOstrowski — 2007-03-14 18:00:11

More theological argument, not abuse

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- Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement – a trademark of Pharisaism. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches to advance the interests of the Kingdom beyond the walls of GVCC. The Apostle John encountered such a church, whose proud leader, Diotrephes, kept the church in isolation and commented:	+ Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches.
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- "I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will have nothing to do with us. So if I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, gossiping maliciously about us. Not satisfied with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church." - - Like Diotrephes, the leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC's affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.	+ The leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC's affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.

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SteveOstrowski — 2007-03-14 17:58:14

Many denominations consider themselves absolute

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- It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are clearly within the mainstream theologically but with whom GVCC differs. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid". Pride is at the heart of this spiritual elitism that believes that GVCC is one of the few, perhaps the only local church that preaches the Gospel in purity.	+ It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are different than GVCC. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid".

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SteveOstrowski — 2007-03-14 17:56:07

Irrelevant detail

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- C.S. Lewis called pride the "essential vice", "the utmost evil", and a sin that "can smuggle itself into the very center of our religious life." Sadly, pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following are examples of how this sin is manifested:	+ Pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following are examples of how this is manifested:

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SteveOstrowski — 2007-03-14 17:53:47

Interpretation by some

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- Violating confidentiality, or what the Bible more commonly refers to as gossip, is a destructive practice that tears down the people of God and destroys their trust in each other. The Bible clearly condemns this practice: Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 11:9, 11:13, 16:28, 20:19, Jeremiah 6:28, 9:4, Romans 1:29, 2 Corinthians 12:20, 1 Timothy 3:11, 5:13, 2 Timothy 3:3, Titus 2:3. Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. "A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret." Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. The only time the Bible speaks of such public disclosure of sin is within the context of spiritual discipline, when the Matthew 18 model of correction has been pursued and an individual is unrepentant. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.	+ Violating confidentiality or Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.

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KaiTing — 2007-03-14 17:17:36

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- ------ - ''2007-03-14 17:06:36'' [[nbsp]] I was married at Grace Valley Christian Center in September. (I'm not going to say what year.) A month after my marriage, my wife went to an appointment with the pastor and came home saying he and the elders of the church wanted to meet with me that Saturday. When Saturday came, I didn't know what was up. Were they going to congratulate me for something? When I went into the conference room, Pastor launched an attack. His first words were, "I have been counseling your wife to leave you." (What happened to "Till death do us part?") He then told me that I was like a dog who returned again and again to eat its own vomit. My crime? Having a job while I was in school, rather than quitting and being a full-time student! I was devastated, and told my wife I would never set foot in the church again. I stayed away from church the next day, but my elder called me Sunday evening and said that Pastor had simply lost his temper with me because he loved me. Unbelievably, I went back. --["DogBarf"]

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DogBarf — 2007-03-14 16:06:36

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	+ ------ + ''2007-03-14 17:06:36'' [[nbsp]] I was married at Grace Valley Christian Center in September. (I'm not going to say what year.) A month after my marriage, my wife went to an appointment with the pastor and came home saying he and the elders of the church wanted to meet with me that Saturday. When Saturday came, I didn't know what was up. Were they going to congratulate me for something? When I went into the conference room, Pastor launched an attack. His first words were, "I have been counseling your wife to leave you." (What happened to "Till death do us part?") He then told me that I was like a dog who returned again and again to eat its own vomit. My crime? Having a job while I was in school, rather than quitting and being a full-time student! I was devastated, and told my wife I would never set foot in the church again. I stayed away from church the next day, but my elder called me Sunday evening and said that Pastor had simply lost his temper with me because he loved me. Unbelievably, I went back. --["DogBarf"]

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StevenDaubert — 2007-03-06 00:58:10

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	+ ------ + ''2007-03-06 00:58:10'' [[nbsp]] Thats worded alot better, and it's less loaded and more a statement of what you have experienced --["StevenDaubert"]

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MargieRoth — 2007-03-05 09:46:36

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	+ ------ + ''2007-03-05 09:46:36'' [[nbsp]] Six of my family members were excommunicated from this church, and the seventh removed herself later. Abuse of those who have been accused of problems brought before the pastor behing hte backs of the accused are common. We are living testimony to these charges. --["MargieRoth"]

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KaiTing — 2007-03-04 19:49:01

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StevenDaubert — 2007-03-04 18:47:54

THAT WAS *NOT* LIAM, THAT WAS ME! MAKE NO MISTAKE!

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LiamCreighton — 2007-03-04 18:46:41

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MargieRoth — 2007-03-04 18:08:57

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CliftonBurton — 2007-01-19 17:07:45

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- These are but a few of examples of how Scripture is twisted to support unbiblical practices at GVCC. The Westminster Confession Chapter XX states that "the doctrines and commandments of men, which are, in any thing, contrary to His Word, or beside (outside) it, have no authority to bind the conscience", and that "to believe or obey such commandments is to betray true Christian liberty." This argument against the validity of the permanence vow, that it is extra-Biblical and a violation of Christian liberty, is the same argument which Martin Luther used to defend his breaking of the unbiblical vow of celibacy. Several reformed theologians, including Dr. Grudem, concur that any vow of life-time commitment to a local church is unscriptural and not binding (see ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Allegations/Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem"])	+ These are but a few of examples of how Scripture is twisted to support unbiblical practices at GVCC. The Westminster Confession Chapter XX states that "the doctrines and commandments of men, which are, in any thing, contrary to His Word, or beside (outside) it, have no authority to bind the conscience", and that "to believe or obey such commandments is to betray true Christian liberty." This argument against the validity of the permanence vow, that it is extra-Biblical and a violation of Christian liberty, is the same argument which Martin Luther used to defend his breaking of the unbiblical vow of celibacy. Several reformed theologians, including Dr. Grudem, concur that any vow of life-time commitment to a local church is unscriptural and not binding (see ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Allegations/Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem" Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem])

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CliftonBurton — 2007-01-19 17:06:49

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- These are but a few of examples of how Scripture is twisted to support unbiblical practices at GVCC. The Westminster Confession Chapter XX states that "the doctrines and commandments of men, which are, in any thing, contrary to His Word, or beside (outside) it, have no authority to bind the conscience", and that "to believe or obey such commandments is to betray true Christian liberty." This argument against the validity of the permanence vow, that it is extra-Biblical and a violation of Christian liberty, is the same argument which Martin Luther used to defend his breaking of the unbiblical vow of celibacy. Several reformed theologians, including Dr. Grudem, concur that any vow of life-time commitment to a local church is unscriptural and not binding (see ["Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem"])	+ These are but a few of examples of how Scripture is twisted to support unbiblical practices at GVCC. The Westminster Confession Chapter XX states that "the doctrines and commandments of men, which are, in any thing, contrary to His Word, or beside (outside) it, have no authority to bind the conscience", and that "to believe or obey such commandments is to betray true Christian liberty." This argument against the validity of the permanence vow, that it is extra-Biblical and a violation of Christian liberty, is the same argument which Martin Luther used to defend his breaking of the unbiblical vow of celibacy. Several reformed theologians, including Dr. Grudem, concur that any vow of life-time commitment to a local church is unscriptural and not binding (see ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Allegations/Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem"])
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- - =Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem= - '''My email''' - Dear Doctor Grudem, - - My wife and I are members of a nondenominational reformed church in Davis, CA. The pastor, is a graduate of Westminster Seminary, but has a charismatic background. He moved to Davis and started the church, and for a season our church was part of the "sheperding" movement – he was under Bob Mumford. As you know, that movement fell apart for various reasons but a remnant of its practices remains in place at our church – the concept of a life-time covenant commitment to the local body of believers, or “permanence”. - - When a family or church member feels called to go elsewhere, they must ask to be released from their commitment. This is only granted to those who are moving reasonably far away. It has never, to my knowledge, been granted to those who wish to attend a different church in the same area. - - I have come to the opinion that a person who makes such a commitment is not bound to keep it, because it is unscriptural and exceeds the bounds of ecclesiastical authority. My analogy is Martin Luther, who broke a sacred vow of chastity on the grounds that it was not Biblical. My wife takes a much more conservative view: if you make a vow or covenant before God, you are obligated to keep it. Can you shed light on this issue? Your insight would be very helpful. There is more riding on this than I can explain now. - - God bless. Your brother in Christ – Clifton Burton - - '''His response''' - Dear Cliff, - - It was unwise to make the vow in the first place, and I don't think it is anything God ever asks us to make or ever wants any church to encourage anyone else to make. Think of how God moved people around to various places almost constantly in the OT and NT!! - - I do not think the vow was pleasing to God in the first place. It is promising that you will not be free to follow his guidance in the future, for your whole life. Therefore every day that you continue in it is further disobedience to God, it seems to me. - - Rash and wrongful vows should be broken at once, with an expectation of God's favor on you when you break it. Both Jephthah's rash vow (Judges 11:31) and the vow of the men not to eat until they had killed Paul (Ac 23:14) fall in this category. Saul's rash vow is similar (1 Sam 14:24.) All of these should have been broken at once. God is not pleased when we promise him something he does not want us to do!! - - Hope this helps.

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CliftonBurton — 2007-01-19 17:00:29

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CliftonBurton — 2007-01-19 16:58:22

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	+ + =Email Correspondence with Dr. Grudem= + '''My email''' + Dear Doctor Grudem, + + My wife and I are members of a nondenominational reformed church in Davis, CA. The pastor, is a graduate of Westminster Seminary, but has a charismatic background. He moved to Davis and started the church, and for a season our church was part of the "sheperding" movement – he was under Bob Mumford. As you know, that movement fell apart for various reasons but a remnant of its practices remains in place at our church – the concept of a life-time covenant commitment to the local body of believers, or “permanence”. + + When a family or church member feels called to go elsewhere, they must ask to be released from their commitment. This is only granted to those who are moving reasonably far away. It has never, to my knowledge, been granted to those who wish to attend a different church in the same area. + + I have come to the opinion that a person who makes such a commitment is not bound to keep it, because it is unscriptural and exceeds the bounds of ecclesiastical authority. My analogy is Martin Luther, who broke a sacred vow of chastity on the grounds that it was not Biblical. My wife takes a much more conservative view: if you make a vow or covenant before God, you are obligated to keep it. Can you shed light on this issue? Your insight would be very helpful. There is more riding on this than I can explain now. + + God bless. Your brother in Christ – Clifton Burton + + '''His response''' + Dear Cliff, + + It was unwise to make the vow in the first place, and I don't think it is anything God ever asks us to make or ever wants any church to encourage anyone else to make. Think of how God moved people around to various places almost constantly in the OT and NT!! + + I do not think the vow was pleasing to God in the first place. It is promising that you will not be free to follow his guidance in the future, for your whole life. Therefore every day that you continue in it is further disobedience to God, it seems to me. + + Rash and wrongful vows should be broken at once, with an expectation of God's favor on you when you break it. Both Jephthah's rash vow (Judges 11:31) and the vow of the men not to eat until they had killed Paul (Ac 23:14) fall in this category. Saul's rash vow is similar (1 Sam 14:24.) All of these should have been broken at once. God is not pleased when we promise him something he does not want us to do!! + + Hope this helps.

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CliftonBurton — 2007-01-19 16:49:35

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- We find the rule of "permanence" at Grace Valley Christian Center, which binds its members to a covenantal, life-long commitment to that local church, to be unscriptural and oppressive. No where in Scripture do we read of any individual making a life-time commitment to a local gathering of believers. In fact, marriage is the only life-long covenantal commitment between human beings supported by Scripture. Furthermore, in attestation to the witness of Scripture, we find this practice to be foreign to Christendom, not found in Protestant church history, and in Catholicism only within the confines of the monastic community.
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CliftonBurton — 2007-01-19 16:42:10

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	+ In a document which GVCC published to describe the level of commitment expected of "flock members", there was printed the following: + ''PERMANENCE + • Love doesn't ask "How long?" + • If you love someone you want to be with them + • Covenant love is not a one night stand, like marriage those entering this relationship are expected to remain. + • Unlike marriage the Lord may call someone away. This will be confirmed by the church''

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WilliamLewis — 2006-11-25 23:04:57

Revert to version 24 (Language was fine before. It doesn't state things are one way or another.).

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DaleSorbello — 2006-11-25 22:17:07

Previous language is presumptive; we do not know others' hearts and motives

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TheoPaaske — 2006-11-18 23:34:52

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- '''["Grace Valley Christian Center"]''' (GVCC), in Davis California, is allegedly characterized by several aberrations. Many come from former attendees of the church. Please in keep mind while reading that angry individuals can leave harmful remarks in an attempt to hurt an organization they feel has hurt them; consequently, this page should be read with a wary eye. Conversely, just because a comment is negative doesn't mean it isn't true.	+ '''["Grace Valley Christian Center"]''' (GVCC), in Davis California, is allegedly characterized by several aberrations. Many come from former attendees of the church. Keep in mind that angry individuals can leave harmful remarks in an attempt to hurt an organization they feel has hurt them. Conversely, anger is sometimes justified; just because a comment is negative doesn't mean it isn't true.

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	+ ------ + ''2006-11-18 00:35:19'' [[nbsp]] I don't know much about this church but what I do know is that every Sunday when I go by this church on the way to my chruch they have security guards out front. Why is that? --["JamesHaile"]

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WilliamLewis — 2006-11-17 22:49:20

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WilliamLewis — 2006-11-17 22:48:47

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JabberWokky — 2006-11-12 11:11:26

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JabberWokky — 2006-10-09 19:11:43

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- Usually behind closed doors, the leaders of GVCC, particularly Pastor Mathew, often treat people harshly and abusively, even resorting to yelling in anger. Past sins are recounted, unkind statements are made, and those being counseled are castigated when they express disagreement with what is being said about them or others. One’s questions or expressions of concern or doubt about GVCC practices or about a leader are frequently viewed as the questioner’s problem – he or she is a "rebel", "proud", "arrogant", "hates authority", is "not listening", or is guilty of "contumacy". Sinful treatment of members, however, does not all occur behind closed doors. Most all members have personally observed individuals during public services, especially during "flock" meetings, being disparaged or ridiculed from the pulpit or mentioned in sermons for a such reasons as nodding off during service, putting up a wrong music overhead, being in a motorcycle accident, not reading a Scripture passage loud enough, losing a job, etc. Even when the individual’s name is not mentioned, it is often abundantly clear who is being referenced.	+ Usually behind closed doors, the leaders of GVCC, particularly Pastor Mathew, often treat people harshly and abusively, even resorting to yelling in anger. Past sins are recounted, unkind statements are made, and those being counseled are castigated when they express disagreement with what is being said about them or others. One's questions or expressions of concern or doubt about GVCC practices or about a leader are frequently viewed as the questioner's problem – he or she is a "rebel", "proud", "arrogant", "hates authority", is "not listening", or is guilty of "contumacy". Sinful treatment of members, however, does not all occur behind closed doors. Most all members have personally observed individuals during public services, especially during "flock" meetings, being disparaged or ridiculed from the pulpit or mentioned in sermons for a such reasons as nodding off during service, putting up a wrong music overhead, being in a motorcycle accident, not reading a Scripture passage loud enough, losing a job, etc. Even when the individual's name is not mentioned, it is often abundantly clear who is being referenced.
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- Violating confidentiality, or what the Bible more commonly refers to as gossip, is a destructive practice that tears down the people of God and destroys their trust in each other. The Bible clearly condemns this practice: Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 11:9, 11:13, 16:28, 20:19, Jeremiah 6:28, 9:4, Romans 1:29, 2 Corinthians 12:20, 1 Timothy 3:11, 5:13, 2 Timothy 3:3, Titus 2:3. Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. "A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret." Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor’s obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member’s personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. The only time the Bible speaks of such public disclosure of sin is within the context of spiritual discipline, when the Matthew 18 model of correction has been pursued and an individual is unrepentant. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.	+ Violating confidentiality, or what the Bible more commonly refers to as gossip, is a destructive practice that tears down the people of God and destroys their trust in each other. The Bible clearly condemns this practice: Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 11:9, 11:13, 16:28, 20:19, Jeremiah 6:28, 9:4, Romans 1:29, 2 Corinthians 12:20, 1 Timothy 3:11, 5:13, 2 Timothy 3:3, Titus 2:3. Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. "A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret." Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor's obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member's personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. The only time the Bible speaks of such public disclosure of sin is within the context of spiritual discipline, when the Matthew 18 model of correction has been pursued and an individual is unrepentant. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.
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- Despite many years of faithful service, malicious and slanderous information has been communicated about ex-members. False accusations, explicit and implicit , vilify them as false brothers, spiritual terrorists, Judas Iscariots, demonized , God-haters, accused of treason, rebellion, drug addiction, theft, fornication, and homosexuality. Many within GVCC uncritically accept these judgments about their brothers and sisters in Christ assuming that the leadership would never slander. This sin is obvious to the victims, but not commonly known among members since the slander, when coupled with shunning, serves to conceal the leadership’s sin by "protecting" members from contrary information. In fact, information from ex-members may be referred to as "anthrax", "poison", etc., and members are advised to respond to ex-members who initiate contact with such statements as "I consider you as an agent of Satan in association with others of like mind . . ." In such an environment, people are easily manipulated and turned against their brothers and sisters in Christ. This grave sin requires repentance, including confession to those slandered and others to whom the accusations were explicitly made or implied.	+ Despite many years of faithful service, malicious and slanderous information has been communicated about ex-members. False accusations, explicit and implicit , vilify them as false brothers, spiritual terrorists, Judas Iscariots, demonized , God-haters, accused of treason, rebellion, drug addiction, theft, fornication, and homosexuality. Many within GVCC uncritically accept these judgments about their brothers and sisters in Christ assuming that the leadership would never slander. This sin is obvious to the victims, but not commonly known among members since the slander, when coupled with shunning, serves to conceal the leadership's sin by "protecting" members from contrary information. In fact, information from ex-members may be referred to as "anthrax", "poison", etc., and members are advised to respond to ex-members who initiate contact with such statements as "I consider you as an agent of Satan in association with others of like mind . . ." In such an environment, people are easily manipulated and turned against their brothers and sisters in Christ. This grave sin requires repentance, including confession to those slandered and others to whom the accusations were explicitly made or implied.
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- Like Diotrephes, the leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC’s affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.	+ Like Diotrephes, the leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC's affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.
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- Another trademark of the Pharisees was that they "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogue; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them ‘Rabbi’." The honor conferred upon the Pharisees was not the issue, for we are admonished to "Honor one another above yourselves." And to honor particularly "The elders who direct the affairs of the church well . . . " The sin of the Pharisees was loving and insisting on such honor. The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastor’s idiosyncratic food and drink preferences, and leaders’ becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members’ own families and other responsibilities. Jesus condemned the Pharisees who "tie up heavy loads and put them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." Rather, Jesus pointed to a humble leadership model where "the greatest among you will be your servant."	+ Another trademark of the Pharisees was that they "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogue; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them ‘Rabbi'." The honor conferred upon the Pharisees was not the issue, for we are admonished to "Honor one another above yourselves." And to honor particularly "The elders who direct the affairs of the church well . . . " The sin of the Pharisees was loving and insisting on such honor. The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastor's idiosyncratic food and drink preferences, and leaders' becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members' own families and other responsibilities. Jesus condemned the Pharisees who "tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." Rather, Jesus pointed to a humble leadership model where "the greatest among you will be your servant."
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- There is a preoccupation with people’s titles and degrees, and a deference to the educated, wealthy, and powerful. Boasting about one’s accomplishments, financial prowess, money, wisdom, or power is not seemly for one who follows Christ. Rather, the great apostle Paul considered all such things as "rubbish" and commanded "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."	+ There is a preoccupation with people's titles and degrees, and a deference to the educated, wealthy, and powerful. Boasting about one's accomplishments, financial prowess, money, wisdom, or power is not seemly for one who follows Christ. Rather, the great apostle Paul considered all such things as "rubbish" and commanded "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."
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- "Jesus called them together and said, ‘You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant.’"	+ "Jesus called them together and said, ‘You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant.'"
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- Those who exercise authority in the world claim a superiority over those under them, and use their power to control them. But such a mindset is contrary to the Spirit of Jesus, who did not come to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom. To be a godly leader, one must have a servant’s heart, to bless those one serves in humility and to seek their advancement, and not to demand recognition or honor, or impose one’s will on others. The sense of "lording it over" in this passage carries the meaning of having power over, or control of another, and it is condemned by the Lord as inappropriate for leaders in the church.	+ Those who exercise authority in the world claim a superiority over those under them, and use their power to control them. But such a mindset is contrary to the Spirit of Jesus, who did not come to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom. To be a godly leader, one must have a servant's heart, to bless those one serves in humility and to seek their advancement, and not to demand recognition or honor, or impose one's will on others. The sense of "lording it over" in this passage carries the meaning of having power over, or control of another, and it is condemned by the Lord as inappropriate for leaders in the church.
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- Attempts have been made by the elders at GVCC to legitimize the rule of permanence by alluding to Luke 15:18 and Ephesians 5:31-32, passages which in no way support this doctrine. To infer, for example, that the Prodigal son’s return to the father is teaching the necessity of returning to a church which you have left, is a highly improper interpretation of this parable, reading into it what was never intended. Clearly, when Jesus said of the Prodigal son: "he got up and went to his father...", he was refering to a repentant sinner's return to God through repentance and faith, not returning to his church of origin. Therefore, the parable cannot be used to support the rule of permanence.	+ Attempts have been made by the elders at GVCC to legitimize the rule of permanence by alluding to Luke 15:18 and Ephesians 5:31-32, passages which in no way support this doctrine. To infer, for example, that the Prodigal son's return to the father is teaching the necessity of returning to a church which you have left, is a highly improper interpretation of this parable, reading into it what was never intended. Clearly, when Jesus said of the Prodigal son: "he got up and went to his father...", he was refering to a repentant sinner's return to God through repentance and faith, not returning to his church of origin. Therefore, the parable cannot be used to support the rule of permanence.
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- Similarly, to use Ephesians 5:25-32 to infer that the believer’s commitment to his local church is analogous to the bonds of marriage, or to infer that a breach of that commitment is "spiritual adultery", as has been done on numerous occasions, is also a misuse of Scripture. Ephesians chapter 5 speaks of the relationship of husband and wife as a metaphor for the relationship of Christ and his universal Church. It cannot be applied to the relationship of a believer to a specific local church.	+ Similarly, to use Ephesians 5:25-32 to infer that the believer's commitment to his local church is analogous to the bonds of marriage, or to infer that a breach of that commitment is "spiritual adultery", as has been done on numerous occasions, is also a misuse of Scripture. Ephesians chapter 5 speaks of the relationship of husband and wife as a metaphor for the relationship of Christ and his universal Church. It cannot be applied to the relationship of a believer to a specific local church.
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- Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social - and, as a result, business and family - contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovah’s Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["CliftonBurton" Clifton Burton]	+ Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social -- and, as a result, business and family -- contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["CliftonBurton" Clifton Burton]
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- Your own ethics page says "We would all hate to see the wiki turn into a great place to post porn and flame your professors, but this isn't likely to happen as long as we are all respectful and cooperative. Confrontational statements and material is typically ignored or removed." I hope that you will abide by this and remove the offending material; it is most definitely confrontational, as well as simply being laughably inaccurate. I'm sure that you have all known of people who simply lie, or grossly distort the facts when it suits their purpose. I am asking you to consider how in the world GVCC (or any person or organization so targeted) is supposed to respond to the ridiculous things that are being written (my pastor must approve a car I purchase? Do you really believe that? Do you honestly think that 300 to 400 reasonable adults in Davis - many of them doctors, lawyers, professors and the like - would truly put up with such nonsense?). There obviously isn't any way to respond to such false allegations in a forum like wiki, it is simply not the right place. For me to say anything about any individual posting or allegation would require me to divulge confidential information or say something negative about an individual (which you rightly prohibit). And yet, these postings do target individuals (Pastor Matthew is named in one of them); they specifically speak about the elders or leadership of GVCC, which is an easily identifiable group of specific individuals, and includes me!	+ Your own ethics page says "We would all hate to see the wiki turn into a great place to post porn and flame your professors, but this isn't likely to happen as long as we are all respectful and cooperative. Confrontational statements and material is typically ignored or removed." I hope that you will abide by this and remove the offending material; it is most definitely confrontational, as well as simply being laughably inaccurate. I'm sure that you have all known of people who simply lie, or grossly distort the facts when it suits their purpose. I am asking you to consider how in the world GVCC (or any person or organization so targeted) is supposed to respond to the ridiculous things that are being written (my pastor must approve a car I purchase? Do you really believe that? Do you honestly think that 300 to 400 reasonable adults in Davis -- many of them doctors, lawyers, professors and the like -- would truly put up with such nonsense?). There obviously isn't any way to respond to such false allegations in a forum like wiki, it is simply not the right place. For me to say anything about any individual posting or allegation would require me to divulge confidential information or say something negative about an individual (which you rightly prohibit). And yet, these postings do target individuals (Pastor Matthew is named in one of them); they specifically speak about the elders or leadership of GVCC, which is an easily identifiable group of specific individuals, and includes me!
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- Your front page says "This project is an interconnected community effort to explore, discuss and compile anything and everything about Davis - especially the little, enjoyable things." That is a great statement and one that I hope you really desire to abide by. The false allegations being made about my church by "ChristianDemetrius," "JoyfulPilgrim," "Brett Feld," and "BobSmorelights," whom I suspect strongly are one and the same person, or possibly two people, are simply not the kind of material that is of interest to reasonable people (unless, perhaps, they are in the line at a grocery store at the time).	+ Your front page says "This project is an interconnected community effort to explore, discuss and compile anything and everything about Davis -- especially the little, enjoyable things." That is a great statement and one that I hope you really desire to abide by. The false allegations being made about my church by "ChristianDemetrius," "JoyfulPilgrim," "Brett Feld," and "BobSmorelights," whom I suspect strongly are one and the same person, or possibly two people, are simply not the kind of material that is of interest to reasonable people (unless, perhaps, they are in the line at a grocery store at the time).
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- Dr. Spencer asks: "Do you honestly think that 300 to 400 reasonable adults in Davis - many of them doctors, lawyers, professors and the like - would truly put up with such nonsense?" The amazing thing is that they do, and that is the power of persuasion that the church leaders have, bolstered by the constant reminder from the Scriptures to "submit to those who have the rule over you".	+ Dr. Spencer asks: "Do you honestly think that 300 to 400 reasonable adults in Davis -- many of them doctors, lawyers, professors and the like -- would truly put up with such nonsense?" The amazing thing is that they do, and that is the power of persuasion that the church leaders have, bolstered by the constant reminder from the Scriptures to "submit to those who have the rule over you".

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- * I think people do hold other churches up to the same standards. If the criticisms on this page are indeed true, then GVCC are a tad more controlling than the Jehovah's Witnesses and a tad less controlling than the Church of Scientology. Such behavior would put them far outside mainline Protestantism and they would hardly be a typical church. --["WilliamLewis"]	+ * I think people do hold other churches up to the same standards. If the criticisms on this page are indeed true, then GVCC is a tad more controlling than the Jehovah's Witnesses and a tad less controlling than the Church of Scientology. Such behavior would put them far outside mainline Protestantism and they would hardly be a typical church. --["WilliamLewis"]

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- Usually behind closed doors, the leaders of GVCC, particularly Pastor Mathew, often treat people harshly and abusively, even resorting to yelling in anger. Past sins are recounted, unkind statements are made, and those being counseled are castigated when they express disagreement with what is being said about them or others. Ones questions or expressions of concern or doubt about GVCC practices or about a leader are frequently viewed as the questioners problem he or she is a "rebel", "proud", "arrogant", "hates authority", is "not listening", or is guilty of "contumacy". Sinful treatment of members, however, does not all occur behind closed doors. Most all members have personally observed individuals during public services, especially during "flock" meetings, being disparaged or ridiculed from the pulpit or mentioned in sermons for a such reasons as nodding off during service, putting up a wrong music overhead, being in a motorcycle accident, not reading a Scripture passage loud enough, losing a job, etc. Even when the individuals name is not mentioned, it is often abundantly clear who is being referenced.	+ Usually behind closed doors, the leaders of GVCC, particularly Pastor Mathew, often treat people harshly and abusively, even resorting to yelling in anger. Past sins are recounted, unkind statements are made, and those being counseled are castigated when they express disagreement with what is being said about them or others. One’s questions or expressions of concern or doubt about GVCC practices or about a leader are frequently viewed as the questioner’s problem – he or she is a "rebel", "proud", "arrogant", "hates authority", is "not listening", or is guilty of "contumacy". Sinful treatment of members, however, does not all occur behind closed doors. Most all members have personally observed individuals during public services, especially during "flock" meetings, being disparaged or ridiculed from the pulpit or mentioned in sermons for a such reasons as nodding off during service, putting up a wrong music overhead, being in a motorcycle accident, not reading a Scripture passage loud enough, losing a job, etc. Even when the individual’s name is not mentioned, it is often abundantly clear who is being referenced.
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- Violating confidentiality, or what the Bible more commonly refers to as gossip, is a destructive practice that tears down the people of God and destroys their trust in each other. The Bible clearly condemns this practice: Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 11:9, 11:13, 16:28, 20:19, Jeremiah 6:28, 9:4, Romans 1:29, 2 Corinthians 12:20, 1 Timothy 3:11, 5:13, 2 Timothy 3:3, Titus 2:3. Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. "A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret." Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselors obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the members personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. The only time the Bible speaks of such public disclosure of sin is within the context of spiritual discipline, when the Matthew 18 model of correction has been pursued and an individual is unrepentant. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.	+ Violating confidentiality, or what the Bible more commonly refers to as gossip, is a destructive practice that tears down the people of God and destroys their trust in each other. The Bible clearly condemns this practice: Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 11:9, 11:13, 16:28, 20:19, Jeremiah 6:28, 9:4, Romans 1:29, 2 Corinthians 12:20, 1 Timothy 3:11, 5:13, 2 Timothy 3:3, Titus 2:3. Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. "A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret." Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselor’s obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the member’s personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. The only time the Bible speaks of such public disclosure of sin is within the context of spiritual discipline, when the Matthew 18 model of correction has been pursued and an individual is unrepentant. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip.
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- Despite many years of faithful service, malicious and slanderous information has been communicated about ex-members. False accusations, explicit and implicit , vilify them as false brothers, spiritual terrorists, Judas Iscariots, demonized , God-haters, accused of treason, rebellion, drug addiction, theft, fornication, and homosexuality. Many within GVCC uncritically accept these judgments about their brothers and sisters in Christ assuming that the leadership would never slander. This sin is obvious to the victims, but not commonly known among members since the slander, when coupled with shunning, serves to conceal the leaderships sin by "protecting" members from contrary information. In fact, information from ex-members may be referred to as "anthrax", "poison", etc., and members are advised to respond to ex-members who initiate contact with such statements as "I consider you as an agent of Satan in association with others of like mind . . ." In such an environment, people are easily manipulated and turned against their brothers and sisters in Christ. This grave sin requires repentance, including confession to those slandered and others to whom the accusations were explicitly made or implied.	+ Despite many years of faithful service, malicious and slanderous information has been communicated about ex-members. False accusations, explicit and implicit , vilify them as false brothers, spiritual terrorists, Judas Iscariots, demonized , God-haters, accused of treason, rebellion, drug addiction, theft, fornication, and homosexuality. Many within GVCC uncritically accept these judgments about their brothers and sisters in Christ assuming that the leadership would never slander. This sin is obvious to the victims, but not commonly known among members since the slander, when coupled with shunning, serves to conceal the leadership’s sin by "protecting" members from contrary information. In fact, information from ex-members may be referred to as "anthrax", "poison", etc., and members are advised to respond to ex-members who initiate contact with such statements as "I consider you as an agent of Satan in association with others of like mind . . ." In such an environment, people are easily manipulated and turned against their brothers and sisters in Christ. This grave sin requires repentance, including confession to those slandered and others to whom the accusations were explicitly made or implied.
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- Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement a trademark of Pharisaism. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches to advance the interests of the Kingdom beyond the walls of GVCC. The Apostle John encountered such a church, whose proud leader, Diotrephes, kept the church in isolation and commented:	+ Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement – a trademark of Pharisaism. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches to advance the interests of the Kingdom beyond the walls of GVCC. The Apostle John encountered such a church, whose proud leader, Diotrephes, kept the church in isolation and commented:
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- Like Diotrephes, the leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCCs affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.	+ Like Diotrephes, the leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCC’s affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies.
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- Another trademark of the Pharisees was that they "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogue; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them Rabbi." The honor conferred upon the Pharisees was not the issue, for we are admonished to "Honor one another above yourselves." And to honor particularly "The elders who direct the affairs of the church well . . . " The sin of the Pharisees was loving and insisting on such honor. The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastors idiosyncratic food and drink preferences, and leaders becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members own families and other responsibilities. Jesus condemned the Pharisees who "tie up heavy loads and put them on mens shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." Rather, Jesus pointed to a humble leadership model where "the greatest among you will be your servant."	+ Another trademark of the Pharisees was that they "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogue; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them ‘Rabbi’." The honor conferred upon the Pharisees was not the issue, for we are admonished to "Honor one another above yourselves." And to honor particularly "The elders who direct the affairs of the church well . . . " The sin of the Pharisees was loving and insisting on such honor. The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastor’s idiosyncratic food and drink preferences, and leaders’ becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members’ own families and other responsibilities. Jesus condemned the Pharisees who "tie up heavy loads and put them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." Rather, Jesus pointed to a humble leadership model where "the greatest among you will be your servant."
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- There is a preoccupation with peoples titles and degrees, and a deference to the educated, wealthy, and powerful. Boasting about ones accomplishments, financial prowess, money, wisdom, or power is not seemly for one who follows Christ. Rather, the great apostle Paul considered all such things as "rubbish" and commanded "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."	+ There is a preoccupation with people’s titles and degrees, and a deference to the educated, wealthy, and powerful. Boasting about one’s accomplishments, financial prowess, money, wisdom, or power is not seemly for one who follows Christ. Rather, the great apostle Paul considered all such things as "rubbish" and commanded "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."
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- "Jesus called them together and said, You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant."	+ "Jesus called them together and said, ‘You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant.’"
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- Those who exercise authority in the world claim a superiority over those under them, and use their power to control them. But such a mindset is contrary to the Spirit of Jesus, who did not come to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom. To be a godly leader, one must have a servants heart, to bless those one serves in humility and to seek their advancement, and not to demand recognition or honor, or impose ones will on others. The sense of "lording it over" in this passage carries the meaning of having power over, or control of another, and it is condemned by the Lord as inappropriate for leaders in the church.	+ Those who exercise authority in the world claim a superiority over those under them, and use their power to control them. But such a mindset is contrary to the Spirit of Jesus, who did not come to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom. To be a godly leader, one must have a servant’s heart, to bless those one serves in humility and to seek their advancement, and not to demand recognition or honor, or impose one’s will on others. The sense of "lording it over" in this passage carries the meaning of having power over, or control of another, and it is condemned by the Lord as inappropriate for leaders in the church.
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- Attempts have been made by the elders at GVCC to legitimize the rule of permanence by alluding to Luke 15:18 and Ephesians 5:31-32, passages which in no way support this doctrine. To infer, for example, that the Prodigal sons return to the father is teaching the necessity of returning to a church which you have left, is a highly improper interpretation of this parable, reading into it what was never intended. Clearly, when Jesus said of the Prodigal son: "he got up and went to his father...", he was refering to a repentant sinner's return to God through repentance and faith, not returning to his church of origin. Therefore, the parable cannot be used to support the rule of permanence.	+ Attempts have been made by the elders at GVCC to legitimize the rule of permanence by alluding to Luke 15:18 and Ephesians 5:31-32, passages which in no way support this doctrine. To infer, for example, that the Prodigal son’s return to the father is teaching the necessity of returning to a church which you have left, is a highly improper interpretation of this parable, reading into it what was never intended. Clearly, when Jesus said of the Prodigal son: "he got up and went to his father...", he was refering to a repentant sinner's return to God through repentance and faith, not returning to his church of origin. Therefore, the parable cannot be used to support the rule of permanence.
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- Similarly, to use Ephesians 5:25-32 to infer that the believers commitment to his local church is analogous to the bonds of marriage, or to infer that a breach of that commitment is "spiritual adultery", as has been done on numerous occasions, is also a misuse of Scripture. Ephesians chapter 5 speaks of the relationship of husband and wife as a metaphor for the relationship of Christ and his universal Church. It cannot be applied to the relationship of a believer to a specific local church.	+ Similarly, to use Ephesians 5:25-32 to infer that the believer’s commitment to his local church is analogous to the bonds of marriage, or to infer that a breach of that commitment is "spiritual adultery", as has been done on numerous occasions, is also a misuse of Scripture. Ephesians chapter 5 speaks of the relationship of husband and wife as a metaphor for the relationship of Christ and his universal Church. It cannot be applied to the relationship of a believer to a specific local church.
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- Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social - and, as a result, business and family - contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovahs Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["CliftonBurton" Clifton Burton]	+ Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social - and, as a result, business and family - contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovah’s Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["CliftonBurton" Clifton Burton]
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	+ * I think people do hold other churches up to the same standards. If the criticisms on this page are indeed true, then GVCC are a tad more controlling than the Jehovah's Witnesses and a tad less controlling than the Church of Scientology. Such behavior would put them far outside mainline Protestantism and they would hardly be a typical church. --["WilliamLewis"]

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	+ ------ + ''2006-10-09 18:52:07'' [[nbsp]] Wow; I do not understand why people who have edited this page hold GVCC up to such a high standard unless they also likewise hold all churches to the same standards. Where are all the criticisms of all the other churches in Davis on the Wiki? --["GabeKoulikov"]

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- '''["Grace Valley Christian Center"]''' (GVCC), in Davis California, is allegedly characterized by several aberrations. Many come from former attendees of the church. Please in mind while reading that angry individuals can leave harmful remarks in an attempt to hurt an organization they feel has hurt them; consequently, this page should be read with a wary eye. Conversely, just because a comment is negative doesn't mean it isn't true.	+ '''["Grace Valley Christian Center"]''' (GVCC), in Davis California, is allegedly characterized by several aberrations. Many come from former attendees of the church. Please in mind while reading that angry individuals can leave harmful remarks in an attempt to hurt an organization they feel has hurt them; consequently, this page should be read with a wary eye. Conversely, just because a comment is negative doesn't mean it isn't true.
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- Despite many years of faithful service, malicious and slanderous information has been communicated about ex-members. False accusations, explicit and implicit , vilify them as false brothers, spiritual terrorists, Judas Iscariots, demonized , God-haters, accused of treason, rebellion, drug addiction, theft, fornication, and homosexuality. Many within GVCC uncritically accept these judgments about their brothers and sisters in Christ assuming that the leadership would never slander. This sin is obvious to the victims, but not commonly known among members since the slander, when coupled with shunning, serves to conceal the leaderships sin by "protecting" members from contrary information. In fact, information from ex-members may be referred to as "anthrax", "poison", etc., and members are advised to respond to ex-members who initiate contact with such statements as "I consider you as an agent of Satan in association with others of like mind . . ." In such an environment, people are easily manipulated and turned against their brothers and sisters in Christ. This grave sin requires repentance, including confession to those slandered and others to whom the accusations were explicitly made or implied.	+ Despite many years of faithful service, malicious and slanderous information has been communicated about ex-members. False accusations, explicit and implicit , vilify them as false brothers, spiritual terrorists, Judas Iscariots, demonized , God-haters, accused of treason, rebellion, drug addiction, theft, fornication, and homosexuality. Many within GVCC uncritically accept these judgments about their brothers and sisters in Christ assuming that the leadership would never slander. This sin is obvious to the victims, but not commonly known among members since the slander, when coupled with shunning, serves to conceal the leaderships sin by "protecting" members from contrary information. In fact, information from ex-members may be referred to as "anthrax", "poison", etc., and members are advised to respond to ex-members who initiate contact with such statements as "I consider you as an agent of Satan in association with others of like mind . . ." In such an environment, people are easily manipulated and turned against their brothers and sisters in Christ. This grave sin requires repentance, including confession to those slandered and others to whom the accusations were explicitly made or implied.
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- It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are clearly within the mainstream theologically but with whom GVCC differs. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid". Pride is at the heart of this spiritual elitism that believes that GVCC is one of the few, perhaps the only local church that preaches the Gospel in purity.	+ It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are clearly within the mainstream theologically but with whom GVCC differs. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid". Pride is at the heart of this spiritual elitism that believes that GVCC is one of the few, perhaps the only local church that preaches the Gospel in purity.
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- - "I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will have nothing to do with us. So if I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, gossiping maliciously about us. Not satisfied with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church."	+ + "I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will have nothing to do with us. So if I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, gossiping maliciously about us. Not satisfied with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church."
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- Another trademark of the Pharisees was that they "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogue; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them Rabbi." The honor conferred upon the Pharisees was not the issue, for we are admonished to "Honor one another above yourselves." And to honor particularly "The elders who direct the affairs of the church well . . . " The sin of the Pharisees was loving and insisting on such honor. The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastors idiosyncratic food and drink preferences, and leaders becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members own families and other responsibilities. Jesus condemned the Pharisees who "tie up heavy loads and put them on mens shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." Rather, Jesus pointed to a humble leadership model where "the greatest among you will be your servant."	+ Another trademark of the Pharisees was that they "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogue; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them Rabbi." The honor conferred upon the Pharisees was not the issue, for we are admonished to "Honor one another above yourselves." And to honor particularly "The elders who direct the affairs of the church well . . . " The sin of the Pharisees was loving and insisting on such honor. The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastors idiosyncratic food and drink preferences, and leaders becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members own families and other responsibilities. Jesus condemned the Pharisees who "tie up heavy loads and put them on mens shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." Rather, Jesus pointed to a humble leadership model where "the greatest among you will be your servant."
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- There is a preoccupation with peoples titles and degrees, and a deference to the educated, wealthy, and powerful. Boasting about ones accomplishments, financial prowess, money, wisdom, or power is not seemly for one who follows Christ. Rather, the great apostle Paul considered all such things as "rubbish" and commanded "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."	+ There is a preoccupation with peoples titles and degrees, and a deference to the educated, wealthy, and powerful. Boasting about ones accomplishments, financial prowess, money, wisdom, or power is not seemly for one who follows Christ. Rather, the great apostle Paul considered all such things as "rubbish" and commanded "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."
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- Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction (and rightly so), the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance.	+ Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction (and rightly so), the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance.
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- "Jesus called them together and said, You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant."	+ "Jesus called them together and said, You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant."
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- Those who exercise authority in the world claim a superiority over those under them, and use their power to control them. But such a mindset is contrary to the Spirit of Jesus, who did not come to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom. To be a godly leader, one must have a servants heart, to bless those one serves in humility and to seek their advancement, and not to demand recognition or honor, or impose ones will on others. The sense of "lording it over" in this passage carries the meaning of having power over, or control of another, and it is condemned by the Lord as inappropriate for leaders in the church.	+ Those who exercise authority in the world claim a superiority over those under them, and use their power to control them. But such a mindset is contrary to the Spirit of Jesus, who did not come to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom. To be a godly leader, one must have a servants heart, to bless those one serves in humility and to seek their advancement, and not to demand recognition or honor, or impose ones will on others. The sense of "lording it over" in this passage carries the meaning of having power over, or control of another, and it is condemned by the Lord as inappropriate for leaders in the church.
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- Yet, sadly, this is the hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel. By enforcing submission to their authority in areas not clearly mandated or proscribed by Scripture, i.e. in matters of conscience, the leaders of Grace Valley Christian Center are imposing legalism, and unwittingly usurping the place of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. The consequence of this is that the members fall into an uncritical acceptance of whatever the leader says, in some cases violating their own conscience, and they gradually lose the ability to hear from God, or to decide for themselves, based on the clear meaning of Scripture.	+ Yet, sadly, this is the hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel. By enforcing submission to their authority in areas not clearly mandated or proscribed by Scripture, i.e. in matters of conscience, the leaders of Grace Valley Christian Center are imposing legalism, and unwittingly usurping the place of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. The consequence of this is that the members fall into an uncritical acceptance of whatever the leader says, in some cases violating their own conscience, and they gradually lose the ability to hear from God, or to decide for themselves, based on the clear meaning of Scripture.
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- We find the rule of "permanence" at Grace Valley Christian Center, which binds its members to a covenantal, life-long commitment to that local church, to be unscriptural and oppressive. No where in Scripture do we read of any individual making a life-time commitment to a local gathering of believers. In fact, marriage is the only life-long covenantal commitment between human beings supported by Scripture. Furthermore, in attestation to the witness of Scripture, we find this practice to be foreign to Christendom, not found in Protestant church history, and in Catholicism only within the confines of the monastic community.	+ We find the rule of "permanence" at Grace Valley Christian Center, which binds its members to a covenantal, life-long commitment to that local church, to be unscriptural and oppressive. No where in Scripture do we read of any individual making a life-time commitment to a local gathering of believers. In fact, marriage is the only life-long covenantal commitment between human beings supported by Scripture. Furthermore, in attestation to the witness of Scripture, we find this practice to be foreign to Christendom, not found in Protestant church history, and in Catholicism only within the confines of the monastic community.
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- Attempts have been made by the elders at GVCC to legitimize the rule of permanence by alluding to Luke 15:18 and Ephesians 5:31-32, passages which in no way support this doctrine. To infer, for example, that the Prodigal sons return to the father is teaching the necessity of returning to a church which you have left, is a highly improper interpretation of this parable, reading into it what was never intended. Clearly, when Jesus said of the Prodigal son: "he got up and went to his father...", he was refering to a repentant sinner's return to God through repentance and faith, not returning to his church of origin. Therefore, the parable cannot be used to support the rule of permanence.	+ Attempts have been made by the elders at GVCC to legitimize the rule of permanence by alluding to Luke 15:18 and Ephesians 5:31-32, passages which in no way support this doctrine. To infer, for example, that the Prodigal sons return to the father is teaching the necessity of returning to a church which you have left, is a highly improper interpretation of this parable, reading into it what was never intended. Clearly, when Jesus said of the Prodigal son: "he got up and went to his father...", he was refering to a repentant sinner's return to God through repentance and faith, not returning to his church of origin. Therefore, the parable cannot be used to support the rule of permanence.
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- Similarly, to use Ephesians 5:25-32 to infer that the believers commitment to his local church is analogous to the bonds of marriage, or to infer that a breach of that commitment is "spiritual adultery", as has been done on numerous occasions, is also a misuse of Scripture. Ephesians chapter 5 speaks of the relationship of husband and wife as a metaphor for the relationship of Christ and his universal Church. It cannot be applied to the relationship of a believer to a specific local church.	+ Similarly, to use Ephesians 5:25-32 to infer that the believers commitment to his local church is analogous to the bonds of marriage, or to infer that a breach of that commitment is "spiritual adultery", as has been done on numerous occasions, is also a misuse of Scripture. Ephesians chapter 5 speaks of the relationship of husband and wife as a metaphor for the relationship of Christ and his universal Church. It cannot be applied to the relationship of a believer to a specific local church.
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- As I'm sure you are aware, I can easily get a large number of different email accounts that do not properly identify who I am. So, as a hypothetical example, if I had some personal axe to grind with a local business establishment, I could post a number of different false or misleading negative comments about the business and make it appear that they came from different sources. It would be impossible for the business to reasonably respond to such an attack. The volume and nature of the comments could easily cause other people to then chime in with statements like "Gee, this really does sound like a serious problem that someone should look into." Such comments might have an impact on that business and would certainly violate the spirit and intent of wiki pages.	+ As I'm sure you are aware, I can easily get a large number of different email accounts that do not properly identify who I am. So, as a hypothetical example, if I had some personal axe to grind with a local business establishment, I could post a number of different false or misleading negative comments about the business and make it appear that they came from different sources. It would be impossible for the business to reasonably respond to such an attack. The volume and nature of the comments could easily cause other people to then chime in with statements like "Gee, this really does sound like a serious problem that someone should look into." Such comments might have an impact on that business and would certainly violate the spirit and intent of wiki pages.
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- Your front page says "This project is an interconnected community effort to explore, discuss and compile anything and everything about Davis - especially the little, enjoyable things." That is a great statement and one that I hope you really desire to abide by. The false allegations being made about my church by "ChristianDemetrius," "JoyfulPilgrim," "Brett Feld," and "BobSmorelights," whom I suspect strongly are one and the same person, or possibly two people, are simply not the kind of material that is of interest to reasonable people (unless, perhaps, they are in the line at a grocery store at the time).	+ Your front page says "This project is an interconnected community effort to explore, discuss and compile anything and everything about Davis - especially the little, enjoyable things." That is a great statement and one that I hope you really desire to abide by. The false allegations being made about my church by "ChristianDemetrius," "JoyfulPilgrim," "Brett Feld," and "BobSmorelights," whom I suspect strongly are one and the same person, or possibly two people, are simply not the kind of material that is of interest to reasonable people (unless, perhaps, they are in the line at a grocery store at the time).
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- I would be most happy to meet with any of you who are interested, perhaps we could have lunch together on campus? I'm sure that if you met me, and/or other leaders from the church, you would be far more incredulous about the ridiculous allegations being made.	+ I would be most happy to meet with any of you who are interested, perhaps we could have lunch together on campus? I'm sure that if you met me, and/or other leaders from the church, you would be far more incredulous about the ridiculous allegations being made.
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- First of all, there are many people like myself, who have used their real names when logging comments about GVCC of a negative nature.	+ First of all, there are many people like myself, who have used their real names when logging comments about GVCC of a negative nature.
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- Thirdly, the allegations do not state specifically that the "pastor must approve a car purchase". It says: "People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children." These are just examples and certainly do not apply in every case, but many such cases can be sited. For example, when my wife informed the Pastor's wife that I had gotten a vasectomy, she told my wife that I should have gotten council from the elders before having this procedure done. When my son and his wife were seeking permission from the elders to get engaged, they were required to submit all their financial records and a budget to the elders. -	+ Thirdly, the allegations do not state specifically that the "pastor must approve a car purchase". It says: "People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children." These are just examples and certainly do not apply in every case, but many such cases can be sited. For example, when my wife informed the Pastor's wife that I had gotten a vasectomy, she told my wife that I should have gotten council from the elders before having this procedure done. When my son and his wife were seeking permission from the elders to get engaged, they were required to submit all their financial records and a budget to the elders. +
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- Excommunication is a church disciplinary action in which a person who refuses to repent of promoting heretical views, or of engaging in gross sin, is excluded from the fellowship of the church, in order that he may see the error of his ways and repent. It is based in large part on Matthew 18:15-17 and 1 Corinthians 5:1-13. Paul gives a list of the type of offenses that are serious enough to require this discipline: "a sexually immoral or greedy person, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler." John Knox gave these biblical guidelines for excommunication to the church of Scotland: - "In the first [place], it is to be noted, that all crimes that by the law of God deserve death, deserve also excommunication from the society of Christ's church. And therefore willful murderers, adulterers (lawfully convicted), sorcerers, witches, conjurers, charmers, and givers of drinks to destroy children, and open blasphemers (as if any renounce God, deny the truth and the authority of his holy word, rail against his blessed sacraments): such, we say, ought to be excommunicated from the society of Christ's church"	+ Excommunication is a church disciplinary action in which a person who refuses to repent of promoting heretical views, or of engaging in gross sin, is excluded from the fellowship of the church, in order that he may see the error of his ways and repent. It is based in large part on Matthew 18:15-17 and 1 Corinthians 5:1-13. Paul gives a list of the type of offenses that are serious enough to require this discipline: "a sexually immoral or greedy person, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler." John Knox gave these biblical guidelines for excommunication to the church of Scotland: "In the first [place], it is to be noted, that all crimes that by the law of God deserve death, deserve also excommunication from the society of Christ's church. And therefore willful murderers, adulterers (lawfully convicted), sorcerers, witches, conjurers, charmers, and givers of drinks to destroy children, and open blasphemers (as if any renounce God, deny the truth and the authority of his holy word, rail against his blessed sacraments): such, we say, ought to be excommunicated from the society of Christ's church"
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- Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social - and, as a result, business and family - contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovahs Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. - ["CliftonBurton" Clifton Burton]	+ Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social - and, as a result, business and family - contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovahs Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["CliftonBurton" Clifton Burton]
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- My name is Richard Spencer and I am a Professor of Electrical Engineering - at UC Davis and have lived in Davis for 19 years. I would like to - congratulate you on having a great website; it has a lot of very useful - and interesting information on it.	+ My name is Richard Spencer and I am a Professor of Electrical Engineering at UC Davis and have lived in Davis for 19 years. I would like to congratulate you on having a great website; it has a lot of very useful and interesting information on it.
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- Unfortunately, as I discovered a couple of days ago, it also has some - information on it that is completely out of character for a wiki site, and - I think violates any reasonable and responsible rules of civility and - propriety. I am referring to the information posted under pseudonyms on - the pages labeled aberrations and experiences that are linked from the - Grace Valley Christian Center page. As an elder of GVCC and an average - citizen of Davis, I am deeply offended by these flames and hope that you - will agree it would be in the best interests of all who use this site to - simply remove (and permanently ban) any postings of this nature.	+ Unfortunately, as I discovered a couple of days ago, it also has some information on it that is completely out of character for a wiki site, and I think violates any reasonable and responsible rules of civility and propriety. I am referring to the information posted under pseudonyms on the pages labeled aberrations and experiences that are linked from the Grace Valley Christian Center page. As an elder of GVCC and an average citizen of Davis, I am deeply offended by these flames and hope that you will agree it would be in the best interests of all who use this site to simply remove (and permanently ban) any postings of this nature.
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- As I'm sure you are aware, I can easily get a large number of different - email accounts that do not properly identify who I am. So, as a - hypothetical example, if I had some personal axe to grind with a local - business establishment, I could post a number of different false or - misleading negative comments about the business and make it appear that - they came from different sources. It would be impossible for the business - to reasonably respond to such an attack. The volume and nature of the - comments could easily cause other people to then chime in with statements - like "Gee, this really does sound like a serious problem that someone - should look into." Such comments might have an impact on that business and - would certainly violate the spirit and intent of wiki pages.	+ As I'm sure you are aware, I can easily get a large number of different email accounts that do not properly identify who I am. So, as a hypothetical example, if I had some personal axe to grind with a local business establishment, I could post a number of different false or misleading negative comments about the business and make it appear that they came from different sources. It would be impossible for the business to reasonably respond to such an attack. The volume and nature of the comments could easily cause other people to then chime in with statements like "Gee, this really does sound like a serious problem that someone should look into." Such comments might have an impact on that business and would certainly violate the spirit and intent of wiki pages.
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- Your own ethics page says "We would all hate to see the wiki turn into a - great place to post porn and flame your professors, but this isn't likely - to happen as long as we are all respectful and cooperative. - Confrontational statements and material is typically ignored or removed." - I hope that you will abide by this and remove the offending material; it - is most definitely confrontational, as well as simply being laughably - inaccurate. I'm sure that you have all known of people who simply lie, or - grossly distort the facts when it suits their purpose. I am asking you to - consider how in the world GVCC (or any person or organization so targeted) - is supposed to respond to the ridiculous things that are being written (my - pastor must approve a car I purchase? Do you really believe that? Do you - honestly think that 300 to 400 reasonable adults in Davis - many of them - doctors, lawyers, professors and the like - would truly put up with such - nonsense?). There obviously isn't any way to respond to such false - allegations in a forum like wiki, it is simply not the right place. For me - to say anything about any individual posting or allegation would require - me to divulge confidential information or say something negative about an - individual (which you rightly prohibit). And yet, these postings do target - individuals (Pastor Matthew is named in one of them); they specifically - speak about the elders or leadership of GVCC, which is an easily - identifiable group of specific individuals, and includes me!	+ Your own ethics page says "We would all hate to see the wiki turn into a great place to post porn and flame your professors, but this isn't likely to happen as long as we are all respectful and cooperative. Confrontational statements and material is typically ignored or removed." I hope that you will abide by this and remove the offending material; it is most definitely confrontational, as well as simply being laughably inaccurate. I'm sure that you have all known of people who simply lie, or grossly distort the facts when it suits their purpose. I am asking you to consider how in the world GVCC (or any person or organization so targeted) is supposed to respond to the ridiculous things that are being written (my pastor must approve a car I purchase? Do you really believe that? Do you honestly think that 300 to 400 reasonable adults in Davis - many of them doctors, lawyers, professors and the like - would truly put up with such nonsense?). There obviously isn't any way to respond to such false allegations in a forum like wiki, it is simply not the right place. For me to say anything about any individual posting or allegation would require me to divulge confidential information or say something negative about an individual (which you rightly prohibit). And yet, these postings do target individuals (Pastor Matthew is named in one of them); they specifically speak about the elders or leadership of GVCC, which is an easily identifiable group of specific individuals, and includes me!
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- Your front page says "This project is an interconnected community effort - to explore, discuss and compile anything and everything about Davis - - especially the little, enjoyable things." That is a great statement and - one that I hope you really desire to abide by. The false allegations being - made about my church by "ChristianDemetrius," "JoyfulPilgrim," "Brett - Feld," and "BobSmorelights," whom I suspect strongly are one and the same - person, or possibly two people, are simply not the kind of material that - is of interest to reasonable people (unless, perhaps, they are in the line - at a grocery store at the time).	+ Your front page says "This project is an interconnected community effort to explore, discuss and compile anything and everything about Davis - especially the little, enjoyable things." That is a great statement and one that I hope you really desire to abide by. The false allegations being made about my church by "ChristianDemetrius," "JoyfulPilgrim," "Brett Feld," and "BobSmorelights," whom I suspect strongly are one and the same person, or possibly two people, are simply not the kind of material that is of interest to reasonable people (unless, perhaps, they are in the line at a grocery store at the time).
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- Mark Twain once wrote that a lie makes it half way around the world before - the truth gets its shoes on, and this statement is certainly true. I hope - that you will not help this lie by giving it an easy electronic forum. - These false allegations really represent a threat to the Davis wiki site - as well, if this kind of material is allowed, the site could easily - degenerate into a place where people post all kinds of negative - information about people, businesses, or institutions in Davis. I'm sure - that is not what you want to see.	+ Mark Twain once wrote that a lie makes it half way around the world before the truth gets its shoes on, and this statement is certainly true. I hope that you will not help this lie by giving it an easy electronic forum. These false allegations really represent a threat to the Davis wiki site as well, if this kind of material is allowed, the site could easily degenerate into a place where people post all kinds of negative information about people, businesses, or institutions in Davis. I'm sure that is not what you want to see.
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- I would be most happy to meet with any of you who are interested, perhaps - we could have lunch together on campus? I'm sure that if you met me, - and/or other leaders from the church, you would be far more incredulous - about the ridiculous allegations being made.	+ I would be most happy to meet with any of you who are interested, perhaps we could have lunch together on campus? I'm sure that if you met me, and/or other leaders from the church, you would be far more incredulous about the ridiculous allegations being made.
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- So, in the spirit of the UC Davis principles of community, and of common - decency and propriety, I respectfully request that you remove these - ridiculous, untruthful, confrontational, and negative postings from your - website.	+ So, in the spirit of the UC Davis principles of community, and of common decency and propriety, I respectfully request that you remove these ridiculous, untruthful, confrontational, and negative postings from your website.

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- Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social - and, as a result, business and family - contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovahs Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["BobSmorelights"]	+ Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social - and, as a result, business and family - contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovahs Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. + ["CliftonBurton" Clifton Burton]

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	+ + == Response to the Response == + As a former member of GVCC, I would like to respond to Richard Spencer's email to the wiki site. + + First of all, there are many people like myself, who have used their real names when logging comments about GVCC of a negative nature. + + Secondly, I know personally of individuals who have been threatened with legal action for criticizing the church, so I can understand why persons might be afraid to use their real names. + + Thirdly, the allegations do not state specifically that the "pastor must approve a car purchase". It says: "People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children." These are just examples and certainly do not apply in every case, but many such cases can be sited. For example, when my wife informed the Pastor's wife that I had gotten a vasectomy, she told my wife that I should have gotten council from the elders before having this procedure done. When my son and his wife were seeking permission from the elders to get engaged, they were required to submit all their financial records and a budget to the elders. + + Dr. Spencer asks: "Do you honestly think that 300 to 400 reasonable adults in Davis - many of them doctors, lawyers, professors and the like - would truly put up with such nonsense?" The amazing thing is that they do, and that is the power of persuasion that the church leaders have, bolstered by the constant reminder from the Scriptures to "submit to those who have the rule over you". + + Some of us who have left GVCC have subsequently requested to meet with the elders to discuss such grievances, provided there was a neutral mediation present, but the request was turned down by the church leadership. We were told that no mediation would be acceptable, that we must come alone, repenting of our sins and seeking to return to the church. + + We have therefore chosen the public forum to inform others of the abusive practices at Grace Valley Christian Center, out of a sense of responsibility to the community of Davis. + + ["CliftonBurton" Clifton Burton]

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- As one of the elders of GVCC, I sent the following email to the editors of Davis Wiki on December 1, 2005. Since they have chosen to not respond to me in any way, I am posting this email here for others to see: --["RichardSpencer"]--	+ As one of the elders of GVCC, I sent the following email to the administrators of Davis Wiki on December 1, 2005. Since they have chosen to not respond to me in any way, I am posting this email here for others to see: --["RichardSpencer"]--

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- '''["Grace Valley Christian Center"]''' (GVCC), in Davis California, is allegedly characterized by the following aberrations:	+ '''["Grace Valley Christian Center"]''' (GVCC), in Davis California, is allegedly characterized by several aberrations. Many come from former attendees of the church. Please in mind while reading that angry individuals can leave harmful remarks in an attempt to hurt an organization they feel has hurt them; consequently, this page should be read with a wary eye. Conversely, just because a comment is negative doesn't mean it isn't true. + + Following the allegations, you will find a response by one of the elders of CVCC.
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- == Please read this first - the allegations below are false! ==	+ + --------------------------------------------------------------- + + == Harsh and Abusive Treatment == + Usually behind closed doors, the leaders of GVCC, particularly Pastor Mathew, often treat people harshly and abusively, even resorting to yelling in anger. Past sins are recounted, unkind statements are made, and those being counseled are castigated when they express disagreement with what is being said about them or others. Ones questions or expressions of concern or doubt about GVCC practices or about a leader are frequently viewed as the questioners problem he or she is a "rebel", "proud", "arrogant", "hates authority", is "not listening", or is guilty of "contumacy". Sinful treatment of members, however, does not all occur behind closed doors. Most all members have personally observed individuals during public services, especially during "flock" meetings, being disparaged or ridiculed from the pulpit or mentioned in sermons for a such reasons as nodding off during service, putting up a wrong music overhead, being in a motorcycle accident, not reading a Scripture passage loud enough, losing a job, etc. Even when the individuals name is not mentioned, it is often abundantly clear who is being referenced. + + == Violating Confidentiality == + Violating confidentiality, or what the Bible more commonly refers to as gossip, is a destructive practice that tears down the people of God and destroys their trust in each other. The Bible clearly condemns this practice: Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 11:9, 11:13, 16:28, 20:19, Jeremiah 6:28, 9:4, Romans 1:29, 2 Corinthians 12:20, 1 Timothy 3:11, 5:13, 2 Timothy 3:3, Titus 2:3. Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. "A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret." Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselors obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the members personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. The only time the Bible speaks of such public disclosure of sin is within the context of spiritual discipline, when the Matthew 18 model of correction has been pursued and an individual is unrepentant. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip. + + == Slander == + Despite many years of faithful service, malicious and slanderous information has been communicated about ex-members. False accusations, explicit and implicit , vilify them as false brothers, spiritual terrorists, Judas Iscariots, demonized , God-haters, accused of treason, rebellion, drug addiction, theft, fornication, and homosexuality. Many within GVCC uncritically accept these judgments about their brothers and sisters in Christ assuming that the leadership would never slander. This sin is obvious to the victims, but not commonly known among members since the slander, when coupled with shunning, serves to conceal the leaderships sin by "protecting" members from contrary information. In fact, information from ex-members may be referred to as "anthrax", "poison", etc., and members are advised to respond to ex-members who initiate contact with such statements as "I consider you as an agent of Satan in association with others of like mind . . ." In such an environment, people are easily manipulated and turned against their brothers and sisters in Christ. This grave sin requires repentance, including confession to those slandered and others to whom the accusations were explicitly made or implied. + + == Pride == + C.S. Lewis called pride the "essential vice", "the utmost evil", and a sin that "can smuggle itself into the very center of our religious life." Sadly, pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following are examples of how this sin is manifested: + + === Elitism === + It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are clearly within the mainstream theologically but with whom GVCC differs. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid". Pride is at the heart of this spiritual elitism that believes that GVCC is one of the few, perhaps the only local church that preaches the Gospel in purity. + + === Isolationism === + Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement a trademark of Pharisaism. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches to advance the interests of the Kingdom beyond the walls of GVCC. The Apostle John encountered such a church, whose proud leader, Diotrephes, kept the church in isolation and commented: + + "I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will have nothing to do with us. So if I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, gossiping maliciously about us. Not satisfied with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church." + + Like Diotrephes, the leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCCs affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies. + + === Self Exaltation === + Another trademark of the Pharisees was that they "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogue; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them Rabbi." The honor conferred upon the Pharisees was not the issue, for we are admonished to "Honor one another above yourselves." And to honor particularly "The elders who direct the affairs of the church well . . . " The sin of the Pharisees was loving and insisting on such honor. The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastors idiosyncratic food and drink preferences, and leaders becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members own families and other responsibilities. Jesus condemned the Pharisees who "tie up heavy loads and put them on mens shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." Rather, Jesus pointed to a humble leadership model where "the greatest among you will be your servant." + + There is a preoccupation with peoples titles and degrees, and a deference to the educated, wealthy, and powerful. Boasting about ones accomplishments, financial prowess, money, wisdom, or power is not seemly for one who follows Christ. Rather, the great apostle Paul considered all such things as "rubbish" and commanded "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord." + + === Refusing to Hear or Heed Correction === + Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction (and rightly so), the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance. + + == Oppressive Leadership == + "Jesus called them together and said, You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant." + + Those who exercise authority in the world claim a superiority over those under them, and use their power to control them. But such a mindset is contrary to the Spirit of Jesus, who did not come to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom. To be a godly leader, one must have a servants heart, to bless those one serves in humility and to seek their advancement, and not to demand recognition or honor, or impose ones will on others. The sense of "lording it over" in this passage carries the meaning of having power over, or control of another, and it is condemned by the Lord as inappropriate for leaders in the church. + + Yet, sadly, this is the hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel. By enforcing submission to their authority in areas not clearly mandated or proscribed by Scripture, i.e. in matters of conscience, the leaders of Grace Valley Christian Center are imposing legalism, and unwittingly usurping the place of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. The consequence of this is that the members fall into an uncritical acceptance of whatever the leader says, in some cases violating their own conscience, and they gradually lose the ability to hear from God, or to decide for themselves, based on the clear meaning of Scripture. + + + == Binding Members to Life-time Commitments: The Rule of "Permanence" == + We find the rule of "permanence" at Grace Valley Christian Center, which binds its members to a covenantal, life-long commitment to that local church, to be unscriptural and oppressive. No where in Scripture do we read of any individual making a life-time commitment to a local gathering of believers. In fact, marriage is the only life-long covenantal commitment between human beings supported by Scripture. Furthermore, in attestation to the witness of Scripture, we find this practice to be foreign to Christendom, not found in Protestant church history, and in Catholicism only within the confines of the monastic community. + + Attempts have been made by the elders at GVCC to legitimize the rule of permanence by alluding to Luke 15:18 and Ephesians 5:31-32, passages which in no way support this doctrine. To infer, for example, that the Prodigal sons return to the father is teaching the necessity of returning to a church which you have left, is a highly improper interpretation of this parable, reading into it what was never intended. Clearly, when Jesus said of the Prodigal son: "he got up and went to his father...", he was refering to a repentant sinner's return to God through repentance and faith, not returning to his church of origin. Therefore, the parable cannot be used to support the rule of permanence. + + Similarly, to use Ephesians 5:25-32 to infer that the believers commitment to his local church is analogous to the bonds of marriage, or to infer that a breach of that commitment is "spiritual adultery", as has been done on numerous occasions, is also a misuse of Scripture. Ephesians chapter 5 speaks of the relationship of husband and wife as a metaphor for the relationship of Christ and his universal Church. It cannot be applied to the relationship of a believer to a specific local church. + + These are but a few of examples of how Scripture is twisted to support unbiblical practices at GVCC. The Westminster Confession Chapter XX states that "the doctrines and commandments of men, which are, in any thing, contrary to His Word, or beside (outside) it, have no authority to bind the conscience", and that "to believe or obey such commandments is to betray true Christian liberty." This argument against the validity of the permanence vow, that it is extra-Biblical and a violation of Christian liberty, is the same argument which Martin Luther used to defend his breaking of the unbiblical vow of celibacy. Several reformed theologians, including Dr. Grudem, concur that any vow of life-time commitment to a local church is unscriptural and not binding. + + == Unbiblical Excommunication Practices == + Excommunication is a church disciplinary action in which a person who refuses to repent of promoting heretical views, or of engaging in gross sin, is excluded from the fellowship of the church, in order that he may see the error of his ways and repent. It is based in large part on Matthew 18:15-17 and 1 Corinthians 5:1-13. Paul gives a list of the type of offenses that are serious enough to require this discipline: "a sexually immoral or greedy person, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler." John Knox gave these biblical guidelines for excommunication to the church of Scotland: + "In the first [place], it is to be noted, that all crimes that by the law of God deserve death, deserve also excommunication from the society of Christ's church. And therefore willful murderers, adulterers (lawfully convicted), sorcerers, witches, conjurers, charmers, and givers of drinks to destroy children, and open blasphemers (as if any renounce God, deny the truth and the authority of his holy word, rail against his blessed sacraments): such, we say, ought to be excommunicated from the society of Christ's church" + + Grace Valley Christian Center, however, has greatly abused the discipline of excommunication. In many cases, but certainly not all, the sole act of leaving the church can trigger the discipline of excommunication, although the reasons given are typically vow-breaking, or failure to appear when being summoned by the elders, which is labeled "contumacy" . Several persons have been publicly excommunicated from GVCC, after having left the church, without any warnings, and without even receiving a letter of excommunication. + + Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social - and, as a result, business and family - contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovahs Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["BobSmorelights"] + + == Response to allegations ==
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- --------------------------------------------------------------- - - == Harsh and Abusive Treatment == - Usually behind closed doors, the leaders of GVCC, particularly Pastor Mathew, often treat people harshly and abusively, even resorting to yelling in anger. Past sins are recounted, unkind statements are made, and those being counseled are castigated when they express disagreement with what is being said about them or others. Ones questions or expressions of concern or doubt about GVCC practices or about a leader are frequently viewed as the questioners problem he or she is a "rebel", "proud", "arrogant", "hates authority", is "not listening", or is guilty of "contumacy". Sinful treatment of members, however, does not all occur behind closed doors. Most all members have personally observed individuals during public services, especially during "flock" meetings, being disparaged or ridiculed from the pulpit or mentioned in sermons for a such reasons as nodding off during service, putting up a wrong music overhead, being in a motorcycle accident, not reading a Scripture passage loud enough, losing a job, etc. Even when the individuals name is not mentioned, it is often abundantly clear who is being referenced. - - == Violating Confidentiality == - Violating confidentiality, or what the Bible more commonly refers to as gossip, is a destructive practice that tears down the people of God and destroys their trust in each other. The Bible clearly condemns this practice: Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 11:9, 11:13, 16:28, 20:19, Jeremiah 6:28, 9:4, Romans 1:29, 2 Corinthians 12:20, 1 Timothy 3:11, 5:13, 2 Timothy 3:3, Titus 2:3. Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. "A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret." Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselors obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the members personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. The only time the Bible speaks of such public disclosure of sin is within the context of spiritual discipline, when the Matthew 18 model of correction has been pursued and an individual is unrepentant. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip. - - == Slander == - Despite many years of faithful service, malicious and slanderous information has been communicated about ex-members. False accusations, explicit and implicit , vilify them as false brothers, spiritual terrorists, Judas Iscariots, demonized , God-haters, accused of treason, rebellion, drug addiction, theft, fornication, and homosexuality. Many within GVCC uncritically accept these judgments about their brothers and sisters in Christ assuming that the leadership would never slander. This sin is obvious to the victims, but not commonly known among members since the slander, when coupled with shunning, serves to conceal the leaderships sin by "protecting" members from contrary information. In fact, information from ex-members may be referred to as "anthrax", "poison", etc., and members are advised to respond to ex-members who initiate contact with such statements as "I consider you as an agent of Satan in association with others of like mind . . ." In such an environment, people are easily manipulated and turned against their brothers and sisters in Christ. This grave sin requires repentance, including confession to those slandered and others to whom the accusations were explicitly made or implied. - - == Pride == - C.S. Lewis called pride the "essential vice", "the utmost evil", and a sin that "can smuggle itself into the very center of our religious life." Sadly, pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following are examples of how this sin is manifested: - - === Elitism === - It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are clearly within the mainstream theologically but with whom GVCC differs. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid". Pride is at the heart of this spiritual elitism that believes that GVCC is one of the few, perhaps the only local church that preaches the Gospel in purity. - - === Isolationism === - Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement a trademark of Pharisaism. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches to advance the interests of the Kingdom beyond the walls of GVCC. The Apostle John encountered such a church, whose proud leader, Diotrephes, kept the church in isolation and commented: - - "I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will have nothing to do with us. So if I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, gossiping maliciously about us. Not satisfied with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church." - - Like Diotrephes, the leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCCs affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies. - - === Self Exaltation === - Another trademark of the Pharisees was that they "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogue; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them Rabbi." The honor conferred upon the Pharisees was not the issue, for we are admonished to "Honor one another above yourselves." And to honor particularly "The elders who direct the affairs of the church well . . . " The sin of the Pharisees was loving and insisting on such honor. The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastors idiosyncratic food and drink preferences, and leaders becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members own families and other responsibilities. Jesus condemned the Pharisees who "tie up heavy loads and put them on mens shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." Rather, Jesus pointed to a humble leadership model where "the greatest among you will be your servant." - - There is a preoccupation with peoples titles and degrees, and a deference to the educated, wealthy, and powerful. Boasting about ones accomplishments, financial prowess, money, wisdom, or power is not seemly for one who follows Christ. Rather, the great apostle Paul considered all such things as "rubbish" and commanded "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord." - - === Refusing to Hear or Heed Correction === - Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction (and rightly so), the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance. - - == Oppressive Leadership == - "Jesus called them together and said, You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant." - - Those who exercise authority in the world claim a superiority over those under them, and use their power to control them. But such a mindset is contrary to the Spirit of Jesus, who did not come to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom. To be a godly leader, one must have a servants heart, to bless those one serves in humility and to seek their advancement, and not to demand recognition or honor, or impose ones will on others. The sense of "lording it over" in this passage carries the meaning of having power over, or control of another, and it is condemned by the Lord as inappropriate for leaders in the church. - - Yet, sadly, this is the hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel. By enforcing submission to their authority in areas not clearly mandated or proscribed by Scripture, i.e. in matters of conscience, the leaders of Grace Valley Christian Center are imposing legalism, and unwittingly usurping the place of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. The consequence of this is that the members fall into an uncritical acceptance of whatever the leader says, in some cases violating their own conscience, and they gradually lose the ability to hear from God, or to decide for themselves, based on the clear meaning of Scripture. - - - == Binding Members to Life-time Commitments: The Rule of "Permanence" == - We find the rule of "permanence" at Grace Valley Christian Center, which binds its members to a covenantal, life-long commitment to that local church, to be unscriptural and oppressive. No where in Scripture do we read of any individual making a life-time commitment to a local gathering of believers. In fact, marriage is the only life-long covenantal commitment between human beings supported by Scripture. Furthermore, in attestation to the witness of Scripture, we find this practice to be foreign to Christendom, not found in Protestant church history, and in Catholicism only within the confines of the monastic community. - - Attempts have been made by the elders at GVCC to legitimize the rule of permanence by alluding to Luke 15:18 and Ephesians 5:31-32, passages which in no way support this doctrine. To infer, for example, that the Prodigal sons return to the father is teaching the necessity of returning to a church which you have left, is a highly improper interpretation of this parable, reading into it what was never intended. Clearly, when Jesus said of the Prodigal son: "he got up and went to his father...", he was refering to a repentant sinner's return to God through repentance and faith, not returning to his church of origin. Therefore, the parable cannot be used to support the rule of permanence. - - Similarly, to use Ephesians 5:25-32 to infer that the believers commitment to his local church is analogous to the bonds of marriage, or to infer that a breach of that commitment is "spiritual adultery", as has been done on numerous occasions, is also a misuse of Scripture. Ephesians chapter 5 speaks of the relationship of husband and wife as a metaphor for the relationship of Christ and his universal Church. It cannot be applied to the relationship of a believer to a specific local church. - - These are but a few of examples of how Scripture is twisted to support unbiblical practices at GVCC. The Westminster Confession Chapter XX states that "the doctrines and commandments of men, which are, in any thing, contrary to His Word, or beside (outside) it, have no authority to bind the conscience", and that "to believe or obey such commandments is to betray true Christian liberty." This argument against the validity of the permanence vow, that it is extra-Biblical and a violation of Christian liberty, is the same argument which Martin Luther used to defend his breaking of the unbiblical vow of celibacy. Several reformed theologians, including Dr. Grudem, concur that any vow of life-time commitment to a local church is unscriptural and not binding. - - == Unbiblical Excommunication Practices == - Excommunication is a church disciplinary action in which a person who refuses to repent of promoting heretical views, or of engaging in gross sin, is excluded from the fellowship of the church, in order that he may see the error of his ways and repent. It is based in large part on Matthew 18:15-17 and 1 Corinthians 5:1-13. Paul gives a list of the type of offenses that are serious enough to require this discipline: "a sexually immoral or greedy person, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler." John Knox gave these biblical guidelines for excommunication to the church of Scotland: - "In the first [place], it is to be noted, that all crimes that by the law of God deserve death, deserve also excommunication from the society of Christ's church. And therefore willful murderers, adulterers (lawfully convicted), sorcerers, witches, conjurers, charmers, and givers of drinks to destroy children, and open blasphemers (as if any renounce God, deny the truth and the authority of his holy word, rail against his blessed sacraments): such, we say, ought to be excommunicated from the society of Christ's church" - - Grace Valley Christian Center, however, has greatly abused the discipline of excommunication. In many cases, but certainly not all, the sole act of leaving the church can trigger the discipline of excommunication, although the reasons given are typically vow-breaking, or failure to appear when being summoned by the elders, which is labeled "contumacy" . Several persons have been publicly excommunicated from GVCC, after having left the church, without any warnings, and without even receiving a letter of excommunication. - - Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social - and, as a result, business and family - contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovahs Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["BobSmorelights"]	+ -----

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- As one of the elders of GVCC, I sent the following email to the editors of Davis Wiki on December 1, 2005. Since they have chosen to not respond to me in any way, I am posting this email here for others to see:	+ As one of the elders of GVCC, I sent the following email to the editors of Davis Wiki on December 1, 2005. Since they have chosen to not respond to me in any way, I am posting this email here for others to see: --["RichardSpencer"]--

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	+ + == Please read this first - the allegations below are false! == + As one of the elders of GVCC, I sent the following email to the editors of Davis Wiki on December 1, 2005. Since they have chosen to not respond to me in any way, I am posting this email here for others to see: + + + To Whom It May Concern: + + My name is Richard Spencer and I am a Professor of Electrical Engineering + at UC Davis and have lived in Davis for 19 years. I would like to + congratulate you on having a great website; it has a lot of very useful + and interesting information on it. + + Unfortunately, as I discovered a couple of days ago, it also has some + information on it that is completely out of character for a wiki site, and + I think violates any reasonable and responsible rules of civility and + propriety. I am referring to the information posted under pseudonyms on + the pages labeled aberrations and experiences that are linked from the + Grace Valley Christian Center page. As an elder of GVCC and an average + citizen of Davis, I am deeply offended by these flames and hope that you + will agree it would be in the best interests of all who use this site to + simply remove (and permanently ban) any postings of this nature. + + As I'm sure you are aware, I can easily get a large number of different + email accounts that do not properly identify who I am. So, as a + hypothetical example, if I had some personal axe to grind with a local + business establishment, I could post a number of different false or + misleading negative comments about the business and make it appear that + they came from different sources. It would be impossible for the business + to reasonably respond to such an attack. The volume and nature of the + comments could easily cause other people to then chime in with statements + like "Gee, this really does sound like a serious problem that someone + should look into." Such comments might have an impact on that business and + would certainly violate the spirit and intent of wiki pages. + + Your own ethics page says "We would all hate to see the wiki turn into a + great place to post porn and flame your professors, but this isn't likely + to happen as long as we are all respectful and cooperative. + Confrontational statements and material is typically ignored or removed." + I hope that you will abide by this and remove the offending material; it + is most definitely confrontational, as well as simply being laughably + inaccurate. I'm sure that you have all known of people who simply lie, or + grossly distort the facts when it suits their purpose. I am asking you to + consider how in the world GVCC (or any person or organization so targeted) + is supposed to respond to the ridiculous things that are being written (my + pastor must approve a car I purchase? Do you really believe that? Do you + honestly think that 300 to 400 reasonable adults in Davis - many of them + doctors, lawyers, professors and the like - would truly put up with such + nonsense?). There obviously isn't any way to respond to such false + allegations in a forum like wiki, it is simply not the right place. For me + to say anything about any individual posting or allegation would require + me to divulge confidential information or say something negative about an + individual (which you rightly prohibit). And yet, these postings do target + individuals (Pastor Matthew is named in one of them); they specifically + speak about the elders or leadership of GVCC, which is an easily + identifiable group of specific individuals, and includes me! + + Your front page says "This project is an interconnected community effort + to explore, discuss and compile anything and everything about Davis - + especially the little, enjoyable things." That is a great statement and + one that I hope you really desire to abide by. The false allegations being + made about my church by "ChristianDemetrius," "JoyfulPilgrim," "Brett + Feld," and "BobSmorelights," whom I suspect strongly are one and the same + person, or possibly two people, are simply not the kind of material that + is of interest to reasonable people (unless, perhaps, they are in the line + at a grocery store at the time). + + Mark Twain once wrote that a lie makes it half way around the world before + the truth gets its shoes on, and this statement is certainly true. I hope + that you will not help this lie by giving it an easy electronic forum. + These false allegations really represent a threat to the Davis wiki site + as well, if this kind of material is allowed, the site could easily + degenerate into a place where people post all kinds of negative + information about people, businesses, or institutions in Davis. I'm sure + that is not what you want to see. + + I would be most happy to meet with any of you who are interested, perhaps + we could have lunch together on campus? I'm sure that if you met me, + and/or other leaders from the church, you would be far more incredulous + about the ridiculous allegations being made. + + So, in the spirit of the UC Davis principles of community, and of common + decency and propriety, I respectfully request that you remove these + ridiculous, untruthful, confrontational, and negative postings from your + website. + + Respectfully yours, + + Richard Spencer + ---------------------------------------------------------------

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	+ '''["Grace Valley Christian Center"]''' (GVCC), in Davis California, is allegedly characterized by the following aberrations: + + [[TableOfContents]] + + == Harsh and Abusive Treatment == + Usually behind closed doors, the leaders of GVCC, particularly Pastor Mathew, often treat people harshly and abusively, even resorting to yelling in anger. Past sins are recounted, unkind statements are made, and those being counseled are castigated when they express disagreement with what is being said about them or others. Ones questions or expressions of concern or doubt about GVCC practices or about a leader are frequently viewed as the questioners problem he or she is a "rebel", "proud", "arrogant", "hates authority", is "not listening", or is guilty of "contumacy". Sinful treatment of members, however, does not all occur behind closed doors. Most all members have personally observed individuals during public services, especially during "flock" meetings, being disparaged or ridiculed from the pulpit or mentioned in sermons for a such reasons as nodding off during service, putting up a wrong music overhead, being in a motorcycle accident, not reading a Scripture passage loud enough, losing a job, etc. Even when the individuals name is not mentioned, it is often abundantly clear who is being referenced. + + == Violating Confidentiality == + Violating confidentiality, or what the Bible more commonly refers to as gossip, is a destructive practice that tears down the people of God and destroys their trust in each other. The Bible clearly condemns this practice: Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 11:9, 11:13, 16:28, 20:19, Jeremiah 6:28, 9:4, Romans 1:29, 2 Corinthians 12:20, 1 Timothy 3:11, 5:13, 2 Timothy 3:3, Titus 2:3. Gossip is revealing personal, private, or intimate information about another without their consent, and is a violation of trust. "A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret." Information of a highly personal nature is often shared in the context of counseling, and the counselors obligation to maintain confidentiality regarding this information is mandated by Scriptures and is a universally recognized ethic among counselors. But the sacred right to confidentiality is frequently violated at GVCC. Personal information revealed in counseling is often repeated by the Pastor and the elders to others. During counseling sessions, others may be slandered or the brunt of gossip, and sometimes confidential information about others is revealed. Others, even family members, are sometimes asked to write down and submit information about the sins of those being counseled. This information becomes part of the members personal file that may later be used to remind him or her of past sin, to gain control and/or to manipulate the member. Within the context of counseling, the sins and failings of other individuals are frequently mentioned, as object lessons. Gossip is not confined to the closed door of counseling. On numerous occasions the sins of individuals were revealed from the pulpit. The only time the Bible speaks of such public disclosure of sin is within the context of spiritual discipline, when the Matthew 18 model of correction has been pursued and an individual is unrepentant. Sins of individuals should not to be used as object lessons for others, either in the counseling room or from the pulpit, it is a violation of a sacred trust, and by its example encourages the members to engage in gossip. + + == Slander == + Despite many years of faithful service, malicious and slanderous information has been communicated about ex-members. False accusations, explicit and implicit , vilify them as false brothers, spiritual terrorists, Judas Iscariots, demonized , God-haters, accused of treason, rebellion, drug addiction, theft, fornication, and homosexuality. Many within GVCC uncritically accept these judgments about their brothers and sisters in Christ assuming that the leadership would never slander. This sin is obvious to the victims, but not commonly known among members since the slander, when coupled with shunning, serves to conceal the leaderships sin by "protecting" members from contrary information. In fact, information from ex-members may be referred to as "anthrax", "poison", etc., and members are advised to respond to ex-members who initiate contact with such statements as "I consider you as an agent of Satan in association with others of like mind . . ." In such an environment, people are easily manipulated and turned against their brothers and sisters in Christ. This grave sin requires repentance, including confession to those slandered and others to whom the accusations were explicitly made or implied. + + == Pride == + C.S. Lewis called pride the "essential vice", "the utmost evil", and a sin that "can smuggle itself into the very center of our religious life." Sadly, pride is pervasive among key GVCC leaders and the congregation has been adversely affected by it. The following are examples of how this sin is manifested: + + === Elitism === + It is not uncommon to hear other evangelical fellowships/ministries denounced from the pulpit, while there is boasting about GVCC and its ministries, e.g., "We [GVCC] are the only church that preaches the Gospel with clarity." Generally, the criticism is leveled at others whose theological views are clearly within the mainstream theologically but with whom GVCC differs. Those holding differing views are sometimes described in pejorative terms, e.g., "stupid". Pride is at the heart of this spiritual elitism that believes that GVCC is one of the few, perhaps the only local church that preaches the Gospel in purity. + + === Isolationism === + Another manifestation of pride is isolationism, separating oneself out of a sense of superiority or out of a fear of defilement a trademark of Pharisaism. Participation in inter-church activities, visiting other evangelical churches, cooperating with other college fellowships, or participating in non-GVCC sponsored functions are discouraged. Thus, there is little or no cooperation with other evangelical churches to advance the interests of the Kingdom beyond the walls of GVCC. The Apostle John encountered such a church, whose proud leader, Diotrephes, kept the church in isolation and commented: + + "I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will have nothing to do with us. So if I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, gossiping maliciously about us. Not satisfied with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church." + + Like Diotrephes, the leadership of GVCC has discouraged members for associating with Christians outside the church, and has even disciplined members for attending other church services. GVCCs affiliation with the Brethren Assemblies is an example of formal communion with the larger body of Christ; however, this affiliation lacks any real substance. There is no meaningful accountability or even participation with churches of the Brethren Assemblies. + + === Self Exaltation === + Another trademark of the Pharisees was that they "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogue; they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them Rabbi." The honor conferred upon the Pharisees was not the issue, for we are admonished to "Honor one another above yourselves." And to honor particularly "The elders who direct the affairs of the church well . . . " The sin of the Pharisees was loving and insisting on such honor. The visible expression of "honoring" the leaders at GVCC is seen in the insistence and expectation that members provide automobile and home maintenance services to some leaders, insisting on being seated at the most prominent places during meetings and social events, demanding flawless service, catering to the pastors idiosyncratic food and drink preferences, and leaders becoming upset and critical when these expectations are not met. These "acts of service" to the leaders are often performed to the detriment or neglect of members own families and other responsibilities. Jesus condemned the Pharisees who "tie up heavy loads and put them on mens shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." Rather, Jesus pointed to a humble leadership model where "the greatest among you will be your servant." + + There is a preoccupation with peoples titles and degrees, and a deference to the educated, wealthy, and powerful. Boasting about ones accomplishments, financial prowess, money, wisdom, or power is not seemly for one who follows Christ. Rather, the great apostle Paul considered all such things as "rubbish" and commanded "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord." + + === Refusing to Hear or Heed Correction === + Though GVCC leaders emphasize the importance of soliciting and receiving godly correction (and rightly so), the pastor himself often responds in a haughty, contemptuous, and abusive manner when questioned or when attempts are made to bring correction to him. Those who bring forward an issue or concern are often accused of being the problem, and charged with contumacy, pride, and arrogance. + + == Oppressive Leadership == + "Jesus called them together and said, You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant." + + Those who exercise authority in the world claim a superiority over those under them, and use their power to control them. But such a mindset is contrary to the Spirit of Jesus, who did not come to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom. To be a godly leader, one must have a servants heart, to bless those one serves in humility and to seek their advancement, and not to demand recognition or honor, or impose ones will on others. The sense of "lording it over" in this passage carries the meaning of having power over, or control of another, and it is condemned by the Lord as inappropriate for leaders in the church. + + Yet, sadly, this is the hallmark and the defining characteristic of leadership at Grace Valley Christian Center. People are expected to seek council from their elder on matters regardless of whether they are moral issues; whether it be buying or selling a house, car, or major appliance; changing jobs or college majors; planning vacations; moving to another city; dating; getting a vasectomy, or raising and disciplining children. The leadership's authority is often made to apply in quite minor and mundane matters as well. Those who do not seek such council are labeled independent and rebellious. Great stress is placed on the need to submit to the authority of the pastor or the elders with little or no right to question, which includes following their "suggestions". To refuse to do so is to be marked as a rebel. By enforcing submission to their authority in areas not clearly mandated or proscribed by Scripture, i.e. in matters of conscience, the leaders of Grace Valley Christian Center are imposing legalism, and unwittingly usurping the place of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. The consequence of this is that the members fall into an uncritical acceptance of whatever the leader says, in some cases violating their own conscience, and they gradually lose the ability to hear from God, or to decide for themselves, based on the clear meaning of Scripture. + + + == Binding Members to Life-time Commitments: The Rule of "Permanence" == + We find the rule of "permanence" at Grace Valley Christian Center, which binds its members to a covenantal, life-long commitment to that local church, to be unscriptural and oppressive. No where in Scripture do we read of any individual making a life-time commitment to a local gathering of believers. In fact, marriage is the only life-long covenantal commitment between human beings supported by Scripture. Furthermore, in attestation to the witness of Scripture, we find this practice to be foreign to Christendom, not found in Protestant church history, and in Catholicism only within the confines of the monastic community. + + Attempts have been made by the elders at GVCC to legitimize the rule of permanence by alluding to Luke 15:18 and Ephesians 5:31-32, passages which in no way support this doctrine. To infer, for example, that the Prodigal sons return to the father is teaching the necessity of returning to a church which you have left, is a highly improper interpretation of this parable, reading into it what was never intended. Clearly, when Jesus said of the Prodigal son: "he got up and went to his father...", he was refering to a repentant sinner's return to God through repentance and faith, not returning to his church of origin. Therefore, the parable cannot be used to support the rule of permanence. + + Similarly, to use Ephesians 5:25-32 to infer that the believers commitment to his local church is analogous to the bonds of marriage, or to infer that a breach of that commitment is "spiritual adultery", as has been done on numerous occasions, is also a misuse of Scripture. Ephesians chapter 5 speaks of the relationship of husband and wife as a metaphor for the relationship of Christ and his universal Church. It cannot be applied to the relationship of a believer to a specific local church. + + These are but a few of examples of how Scripture is twisted to support unbiblical practices at GVCC. The Westminster Confession Chapter XX states that "the doctrines and commandments of men, which are, in any thing, contrary to His Word, or beside (outside) it, have no authority to bind the conscience", and that "to believe or obey such commandments is to betray true Christian liberty." This argument against the validity of the permanence vow, that it is extra-Biblical and a violation of Christian liberty, is the same argument which Martin Luther used to defend his breaking of the unbiblical vow of celibacy. Several reformed theologians, including Dr. Grudem, concur that any vow of life-time commitment to a local church is unscriptural and not binding. + + == Unbiblical Excommunication Practices == + Excommunication is a church disciplinary action in which a person who refuses to repent of promoting heretical views, or of engaging in gross sin, is excluded from the fellowship of the church, in order that he may see the error of his ways and repent. It is based in large part on Matthew 18:15-17 and 1 Corinthians 5:1-13. Paul gives a list of the type of offenses that are serious enough to require this discipline: "a sexually immoral or greedy person, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler." John Knox gave these biblical guidelines for excommunication to the church of Scotland: + "In the first [place], it is to be noted, that all crimes that by the law of God deserve death, deserve also excommunication from the society of Christ's church. And therefore willful murderers, adulterers (lawfully convicted), sorcerers, witches, conjurers, charmers, and givers of drinks to destroy children, and open blasphemers (as if any renounce God, deny the truth and the authority of his holy word, rail against his blessed sacraments): such, we say, ought to be excommunicated from the society of Christ's church" + + Grace Valley Christian Center, however, has greatly abused the discipline of excommunication. In many cases, but certainly not all, the sole act of leaving the church can trigger the discipline of excommunication, although the reasons given are typically vow-breaking, or failure to appear when being summoned by the elders, which is labeled "contumacy" . Several persons have been publicly excommunicated from GVCC, after having left the church, without any warnings, and without even receiving a letter of excommunication. + + Furthermore, the leadership of Grace Valley Christian Center encourages the cruel practice of shunning persons who leave the church, cutting off all social - and, as a result, business and family - contact with such persons, a practice that is unique to cults like the Jehovahs Witnesses or highly isolated groups like the Amish. Jesus said that the unrepentant believer, after two warnings, is to be treated as "a gentile or tax collector". Treating someone as "a gentile or a tax collector", means not to relate to them as you would a brother. It does not mean to cut off all social contact, for Jesus himself interacted with gentiles, including tax collectors. The purpose of excommunication and shunning at Grace Valley Christian Center has little to do with the Biblical goal of restoration. Clearly the intention is to keep those who have left from sharing their reasons for leaving with those in the church. ["BobSmorelights"] + + Users BobSmorelights and CliftonBurton are using the same IP, editing within minutes of each other ([http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center?action=info ref], [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Aberrations?action=info ref]) --["PhilipNeustrom"] + + + Philip- Thank you for lending credibility to the possiblity of one person having multiple aliases on this site, many don't understand the power of IP addresses as an identifier to their computers.-EricaChaffin