http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_CenterRecent Changes of the page "Grace Valley Christian Center" on Davis Wiki.en-us http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2009-10-03 10:49:34incognitoTA <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 64: </td> <td> Line 64: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2008-10-08 15:39:14'' [[nbsp]] I've read all of the comments regarding this church, and it sounds identical to the church from which I escaped two years ago. The secret for me was to find a job in another city. Then I told the 'powers that be' of the church that God had a new plan for me and was moving me. (This strategy had worked for many others before me.) Utilizing this strategy, I have not been shunned for escaping because they don't view my departure as rebellion. Might work for those attempting to bolt from GVCC as well. ;-) --["Users/incognitoTA"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2009-06-07 12:21:41RichLindvall+ Greg Perry content/link <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 38: </td> <td> Line 38: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * '''["Grace Alive"]''' Campus Ministry </td> <td> <span>+</span> * '''["Grace Alive"]''' Campus Ministry<span>. Many activities are directed by University Minister ["Greg Perry"].</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2009-06-06 20:57:32RichLindvallfixed link <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Minister ["<span>Users/</span>GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh]''' </td> <td> <span>+</span> Minister ["Gerrit<span>&nbsp;</span>Buddingh" Gerrit Buddingh]''' </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2009-04-09 22:42:26gabyserpa <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 65: </td> <td> Line 65: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2009-04-09 20:02:29'' [[nbsp]][[nbsp]] I honestly can't believe GVCC is a cult. It makes me sick. It makes me sad, and it makes me depressed. I have to admit, however, that I partly blame myself. I realized the strangeness to the institution three months ago. It was just so hard to leave. I had a crush someone who was part of the college group and people were just so nice. I knew Grace Alive and the church it's connected to had a bad reputation, but I just so badly wanted to give them a chance, hoping I could show compassion. It's never easy being judged before someone knows a person/group. Alas, I only brought harm to myself. These people - most of them will continue to put on their charade of being "perfect" and many will continue to annoyingly evangelize. *sigh* It just really stinks. I feel like I don't know how the people are going to think of me, I fear what they will say and think. No one should ever feel this way just upon leaving a youth group or church. It's terrible. I've just heard so many fowl remarks about one girl who decided to leave. Everyone in Grace Alive gossips a lot, and they admit it. *sigh* If I could give anybody any piece of advice, it would be to not even begin going to this group. It only confuses people. There are framed pictures of the pastor in peoples' homes, a huge one in the gym, in the upstairs library. Attendees from the church will say it's just a tradition, but NO, they should be crucifixes or pictures of Jesus. What is wrong with these people? I am just so thankful for the community of Davis that has seen the pain this cult creates, and can help ward people away and help them through recovery from the cult. I feel excited about seeing grays and not just black and whites. Any website defining cults matches Grace Valley exactly and sadly. Writing helps me deal with my feelings. It isn't slander when it's true testimony. --["Users/gabyserpa"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2009-04-09 19:37:43JasonAllerreapply attribution, will welcome gaby and explain <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 66: </td> <td> Line 66: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> -<span>&nbsp;</span>-<span>-----</span>'<span>&nbsp;</span>[[nbsp]] I honestly can't believe GVCC is a cult. It makes me sick. It makes me sad, and it makes me depressed. I have to admit, however, that I partly blame myself. I realized the strangeness to the institution three months ago. It was just so hard to leave. I had a crush someone who was part of the college group and people were just so nice. I knew Grace Alive and the church it's connected to had a bad reputation, but I just so badly wanted to give them a chance, hoping I could show compassion. It's never easy being judged before someone knows a person/group. Alas, I only brought harm to myself. These people - most of them will continue to put on their charade of being "perfect" and many will continue to annoyingly evangelize. *sigh* It just really stinks. I feel like I don't know how the people are going to think of me, I fear what they will say and think. No one should ever feel this way just upon leaving a youth group or church. It's terrible. I've just heard so many fowl remarks about one girl who decided to leave. Everyone in Grace Alive gossips a lot, and they admit it. *sigh* If I could give anybody any piece of advice, it would be to not even begin going to this group. It only confuses people. There are framed pictures of the pastor in peoples' homes, a huge one in the gym, in the upstairs library. Attendees from the church will say it's just a tradition, but NO, they should be crucifixes or pictures of Jesus. What is wrong with these people? I am just so thankful for the community of Davis that has seen the pain this cult creates, and can help ward people away and help them through recovery from the cult. I feel excited about seeing grays and not just black and whites. Any website defining cults matches Grace Valley exactly and sadly. Writing helps me deal with my feelings. It isn't slander when it's true testimony. </td> <td> <span>+ ''2009</span>-<span>04</span>-<span>09 20:02:29</span>'<span>' [[nbsp]]</span>[[nbsp]] I honestly can't believe GVCC is a cult. It makes me sick. It makes me sad, and it makes me depressed. I have to admit, however, that I partly blame myself. I realized the strangeness to the institution three months ago. It was just so hard to leave. I had a crush someone who was part of the college group and people were just so nice. I knew Grace Alive and the church it's connected to had a bad reputation, but I just so badly wanted to give them a chance, hoping I could show compassion. It's never easy being judged before someone knows a person/group. Alas, I only brought harm to myself. These people - most of them will continue to put on their charade of being "perfect" and many will continue to annoyingly evangelize. *sigh* It just really stinks. I feel like I don't know how the people are going to think of me, I fear what they will say and think. No one should ever feel this way just upon leaving a youth group or church. It's terrible. I've just heard so many fowl remarks about one girl who decided to leave. Everyone in Grace Alive gossips a lot, and they admit it. *sigh* If I could give anybody any piece of advice, it would be to not even begin going to this group. It only confuses people. There are framed pictures of the pastor in peoples' homes, a huge one in the gym, in the upstairs library. Attendees from the church will say it's just a tradition, but NO, they should be crucifixes or pictures of Jesus. What is wrong with these people? I am just so thankful for the community of Davis that has seen the pain this cult creates, and can help ward people away and help them through recovery from the cult. I feel excited about seeing grays and not just black and whites. Any website defining cults matches Grace Valley exactly and sadly. Writing helps me deal with my feelings. It isn't slander when it's true testimony.<span>&nbsp;--["Users/gabyserpa"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2009-04-09 19:07:15gabyserpa <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 66: </td> <td> Line 66: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ------' [[nbsp]] I honestly can't believe GVCC is a cult. It makes me sick. It makes me sad, and it makes me depressed. I have to admit, however, that I partly blame myself. I realized the strangeness to the institution three months ago. It was just so hard to leave. I had a crush someone who was part of the college group and people were just so nice. I knew Grace Alive and the church it's connected to had a bad reputation, but I just so badly wanted to give them a chance, hoping I could show compassion. It's never easy being judged before someone knows a person/group. Alas, I only brought harm to myself. These people - most of them will continue to put on their charade of being "perfect" and many will continue to annoyingly evangelize. *sigh* It just really stinks. I feel like I don't know how the people are going to think of me, I fear what they will say and think. No one should ever feel this way just upon leaving a youth group or church. It's terrible. I've just heard so many fowl remarks about <span>another</span> girl who decided to leave. Everyone in Grace Alive gossips a lot, and they admit it. *sigh* If I could give anybody any piece of advice, it would be to not even begin going to this group. It only confuses people. There are framed pictures of the pastor in peoples' homes, a huge one in the gym, in the upstairs library. Attendees from the church will say it's just a tradition, but NO, they should be crucifixes or pictures of Jesus. What is wrong with these people? I am just so thankful for the community of Davis that has seen the pain this cult creates, and can help ward people away and help them through recovery from the cult. I feel excited about seeing grays and not just black and whites. Any website defining cults matches Grace Valley exactly and sadly. Writing helps me deal with my feelings. It isn't slander when it's true testimony. </td> <td> <span>+</span> ------' [[nbsp]] I honestly can't believe GVCC is a cult. It makes me sick. It makes me sad, and it makes me depressed. I have to admit, however, that I partly blame myself. I realized the strangeness to the institution three months ago. It was just so hard to leave. I had a crush someone who was part of the college group and people were just so nice. I knew Grace Alive and the church it's connected to had a bad reputation, but I just so badly wanted to give them a chance, hoping I could show compassion. It's never easy being judged before someone knows a person/group. Alas, I only brought harm to myself. These people - most of them will continue to put on their charade of being "perfect" and many will continue to annoyingly evangelize. *sigh* It just really stinks. I feel like I don't know how the people are going to think of me, I fear what they will say and think. No one should ever feel this way just upon leaving a youth group or church. It's terrible. I've just heard so many fowl remarks about <span>one</span> girl who decided to leave. Everyone in Grace Alive gossips a lot, and they admit it. *sigh* If I could give anybody any piece of advice, it would be to not even begin going to this group. It only confuses people. There are framed pictures of the pastor in peoples' homes, a huge one in the gym, in the upstairs library. Attendees from the church will say it's just a tradition, but NO, they should be crucifixes or pictures of Jesus. What is wrong with these people? I am just so thankful for the community of Davis that has seen the pain this cult creates, and can help ward people away and help them through recovery from the cult. I feel excited about seeing grays and not just black and whites. Any website defining cults matches Grace Valley exactly and sadly. Writing helps me deal with my feelings. It isn't slander when it's true testimony. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2009-04-09 19:06:01gabyserpa <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 66: </td> <td> Line 66: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ------<span><br> - ''2009-04-09 20:02:29'</span>' [[nbsp]] I honestly can't believe GVCC is a cult. It makes me sick. It makes me sad, and it makes me depressed. I have to admit, however, that I partly blame myself. I realized the strangeness to the institution three months ago. It was just so hard to leave. I had a crush <span>on a guy</span> who was part of the college group and people were just so nice. I knew Grace Alive and the church it's connected to had a bad reputation, but I just so badly wanted to give them a chance, hoping I could show compassion. It's never easy being judged before someone knows a person/group. Alas, I only brought harm to myself. These people - most of them will continue to put on their charade of being "perfect" and many will continue to annoyingly evangelize. *sigh* It just really stinks. I feel like I don't know how the people are going to think of me, I fear what they will say and think. No one should ever feel this way just upon leaving a youth group or church. It's terrible. I've just heard so many fowl remarks about another girl who decided to leave. Everyone in Grace Alive gossips a lot, and they admit it. *sigh* If I could give anybody any piece of advice, it would be to not even begin going to this group. It only confuses people. There are framed pictures of the pastor in peoples' homes, a huge one in the gym, in the upstairs library. Attendees from the church will say it's just a tradition, but NO, they should be crucifixes or pictures of Jesus. What is wrong with these people? I am just so thankful for the community of Davis that has seen the pain this cult creates, and can help ward people away and help them through recovery from the cult. I feel excited about seeing grays and not just black and whites. Any website defining cults matches Grace Valley exactly and sadly. Writing helps me deal with my feelings. It isn't slander when it's true testimony. </td> <td> <span>+</span> ------' [[nbsp]] I honestly can't believe GVCC is a cult. It makes me sick. It makes me sad, and it makes me depressed. I have to admit, however, that I partly blame myself. I realized the strangeness to the institution three months ago. It was just so hard to leave. I had a crush <span>someone</span> who was part of the college group and people were just so nice. I knew Grace Alive and the church it's connected to had a bad reputation, but I just so badly wanted to give them a chance, hoping I could show compassion. It's never easy being judged before someone knows a person/group. Alas, I only brought harm to myself. These people - most of them will continue to put on their charade of being "perfect" and many will continue to annoyingly evangelize. *sigh* It just really stinks. I feel like I don't know how the people are going to think of me, I fear what they will say and think. No one should ever feel this way just upon leaving a youth group or church. It's terrible. I've just heard so many fowl remarks about another girl who decided to leave. Everyone in Grace Alive gossips a lot, and they admit it. *sigh* If I could give anybody any piece of advice, it would be to not even begin going to this group. It only confuses people. There are framed pictures of the pastor in peoples' homes, a huge one in the gym, in the upstairs library. Attendees from the church will say it's just a tradition, but NO, they should be crucifixes or pictures of Jesus. What is wrong with these people? I am just so thankful for the community of Davis that has seen the pain this cult creates, and can help ward people away and help them through recovery from the cult. I feel excited about seeing grays and not just black and whites. Any website defining cults matches Grace Valley exactly and sadly. Writing helps me deal with my feelings. It isn't slander when it's true testimony. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2009-04-09 19:03:39gabyserpa <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 67: </td> <td> Line 67: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2009-04-09 20:02:29'' [[nbsp]] I honestly can't believe GVCC is a cult. It makes me sick. It makes me sad, and it makes me depressed. I have to admit, however, that I partly blame myself. I realized the strangeness to the institution three months ago. It was just so hard to leave. I had a crush on a guy who was part of the college group and people were just so nice. I knew Grace Alive and the church it's connected to had a bad reputation, but I just so badly wanted to give them a chance, hoping I could show compassion. It's never easy being judged before someone knows a person/group. Alas, I only brought harm to myself. These people - most of them will continue to put on their charade of being "perfect" and many will continue to annoyingly evangelize. *sigh* It just really stinks. I feel like I don't know how the people are going to think of me, I fear what they will say and think. No one should ever feel this way just upon leaving a youth group or church. It's terrible. I've just heard so many fowl remarks about another girl who decided to leave. Everyone in Grace Alive gossips a lot, and they admit it. *sigh* If I could give anybody any piece of advice, it would be to not even begin going to this group. It only confuses people. There are framed pictures of the pastor in peoples' homes, a huge one in the gym, in the upstairs library. Attendees from the church will say it's just a tradition, but NO, they should be crucifixes or pictures of Jesus. What is wrong with these people? I am just so thankful for the community of Davis that has seen the pain this cult creates, and can help ward people away and help them through recovery from the cult. I feel excited about seeing grays and not just black and whites. Any website defining cults matches Grace Valley exactly and sadly. Writing helps me deal with my feelings. It isn't slander when it's true testimony.<span>&nbsp;--["Users/gabyserpa"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2009-04-09 20:02:29'' [[nbsp]] I honestly can't believe GVCC is a cult. It makes me sick. It makes me sad, and it makes me depressed. I have to admit, however, that I partly blame myself. I realized the strangeness to the institution three months ago. It was just so hard to leave. I had a crush on a guy who was part of the college group and people were just so nice. I knew Grace Alive and the church it's connected to had a bad reputation, but I just so badly wanted to give them a chance, hoping I could show compassion. It's never easy being judged before someone knows a person/group. Alas, I only brought harm to myself. These people - most of them will continue to put on their charade of being "perfect" and many will continue to annoyingly evangelize. *sigh* It just really stinks. I feel like I don't know how the people are going to think of me, I fear what they will say and think. No one should ever feel this way just upon leaving a youth group or church. It's terrible. I've just heard so many fowl remarks about another girl who decided to leave. Everyone in Grace Alive gossips a lot, and they admit it. *sigh* If I could give anybody any piece of advice, it would be to not even begin going to this group. It only confuses people. There are framed pictures of the pastor in peoples' homes, a huge one in the gym, in the upstairs library. Attendees from the church will say it's just a tradition, but NO, they should be crucifixes or pictures of Jesus. What is wrong with these people? I am just so thankful for the community of Davis that has seen the pain this cult creates, and can help ward people away and help them through recovery from the cult. I feel excited about seeing grays and not just black and whites. Any website defining cults matches Grace Valley exactly and sadly. Writing helps me deal with my feelings. It isn't slander when it's true testimony. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2009-04-09 19:02:29gabyserpaComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 66: </td> <td> Line 66: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2009-04-09 20:02:29'' [[nbsp]] I honestly can't believe GVCC is a cult. It makes me sick. It makes me sad, and it makes me depressed. I have to admit, however, that I partly blame myself. I realized the strangeness to the institution three months ago. It was just so hard to leave. I had a crush on a guy who was part of the college group and people were just so nice. I knew Grace Alive and the church it's connected to had a bad reputation, but I just so badly wanted to give them a chance, hoping I could show compassion. It's never easy being judged before someone knows a person/group. Alas, I only brought harm to myself. These people - most of them will continue to put on their charade of being "perfect" and many will continue to annoyingly evangelize. *sigh* It just really stinks. I feel like I don't know how the people are going to think of me, I fear what they will say and think. No one should ever feel this way just upon leaving a youth group or church. It's terrible. I've just heard so many fowl remarks about another girl who decided to leave. Everyone in Grace Alive gossips a lot, and they admit it. *sigh* If I could give anybody any piece of advice, it would be to not even begin going to this group. It only confuses people. There are framed pictures of the pastor in peoples' homes, a huge one in the gym, in the upstairs library. Attendees from the church will say it's just a tradition, but NO, they should be crucifixes or pictures of Jesus. What is wrong with these people? I am just so thankful for the community of Davis that has seen the pain this cult creates, and can help ward people away and help them through recovery from the cult. I feel excited about seeing grays and not just black and whites. Any website defining cults matches Grace Valley exactly and sadly. Writing helps me deal with my feelings. It isn't slander when it's true testimony. --["Users/gabyserpa"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2009-03-10 15:15:16AmitVainsencheradditional gnoming <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 62: </td> <td> Line 62: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2007-10-24 15:47:46'' [[nbsp]] On the surface Grace Valley is a wonderful place: close-knit community, good teaching, many wonderful activities for families and singles. Unfortunately, all is not as it seems. Beneath the surface lies a pattern of [<span>http://daviswiki.or</span>g<span>/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations</span> public humiliation of individuals by the leadership] as well as the leadership's adherence to an abusive form of [http://www.reveal.org/library/thirdparty/wellspring_otherside.html control] which ultimately robs individuals of their liberty in Christ. [<span>http://daviswiki.org/</span>Grace<span>_</span>Valley<span>_</span>Christian<span>_</span>Center/Experiences Take heed!] --["Users/RichLindvall"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2007-10-24 15:47:46'' [[nbsp]] On the surface Grace Valley is a wonderful place: close-knit community, good teaching, many wonderful activities for families and singles. Unfortunately, all is not as it seems. Beneath the surface lies a pattern of [<span>"Grace Valley Christian Center/Alle</span>g<span>ations"</span> public humiliation of individuals by the leadership] as well as the leadership's adherence to an abusive form of [http://www.reveal.org/library/thirdparty/wellspring_otherside.html control] which ultimately robs individuals of their liberty in Christ. [<span>"</span>Grace<span>&nbsp;</span>Valley<span>&nbsp;</span>Christian<span>&nbsp;</span>Center/Experiences<span>"</span> Take heed!] --["Users/RichLindvall"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2009-02-23 21:52:28RichLindvallfixed link <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 62: </td> <td> Line 62: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2007-10-24 15:47:46'' [[nbsp]] On the surface Grace Valley is a wonderful place: close-knit community, good teaching, many wonderful activities for families and singles. Unfortunately, all is not as it seems. Beneath the surface lies a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of individuals by the leadership] as well as the leadership's adherence to an abusive form of [http://www.<span>u</span>b<span>f-net.de/doc/pile.en.htm</span> control] which ultimately robs individuals of their liberty in Christ. [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Experiences Take heed!] --["Users/RichLindvall"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2007-10-24 15:47:46'' [[nbsp]] On the surface Grace Valley is a wonderful place: close-knit community, good teaching, many wonderful activities for families and singles. Unfortunately, all is not as it seems. Beneath the surface lies a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of individuals by the leadership] as well as the leadership's adherence to an abusive form of [http://www.<span>reveal.org/li</span>b<span>rary/thirdparty/wellspring_otherside.html</span> control] which ultimately robs individuals of their liberty in Christ. [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Experiences Take heed!] --["Users/RichLindvall"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2009-01-05 13:17:01gabyserpa <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 66: </td> <td> Line 66: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2008-12-16 00:02:43'' [[nbsp]] This website has been incredibly helpful - especially in reading the testimonies from members. I feel like it's reaffirmed a lot of my beliefs and answered questions. Thanks. --["Users/gabyserpa"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2008-12-16 00:02:43gabyserpaComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 65: </td> <td> Line 65: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2008-12-16 00:02:43'' [[nbsp]] This website has been incredibly helpful - especially in reading the testimonies from members. I feel like it's reaffirmed a lot of my beliefs and answered questions. Thanks. --["Users/gabyserpa"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2008-10-13 11:40:53RichLindvallquick edit <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 33: </td> <td> Line 33: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Over the years a number of other prominent local citizens have been involved in leadership including Doctors Peter Droubay and Steven Smith, UC Davis Professor [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Richard Spencer], and UC Davis football <span>offensive coordinator</span> [http://ucdavisaggies.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/moroski_mike00.html Mike Moroski]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> Over the years a number of other prominent local citizens have been involved in leadership including Doctors Peter Droubay and Steven Smith, UC Davis Professor [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Richard Spencer], and UC Davis <span>assistant </span>football <span>coach</span> [http://ucdavisaggies.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/moroski_mike00.html Mike Moroski]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2008-10-08 14:39:14incognitoTAComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 63: </td> <td> Line 63: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2008-10-08 15:39:14'' [[nbsp]] I've read all of the comments regarding this church, and it sounds identical to the church from which I escaped two years ago. The secret for me was to find a job in another city. Then I told the 'powers that be' of the church that God had a new plan for me and was moving me. (This strategy had worked for many others before me.) Utilizing this strategy, I have not been shunned for escaping because they don't view my departure as rebellion. Might work for those attempting to bolt from GVCC as well. ;-) --["Users/incognitoTA"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2008-09-29 08:35:38RichLindvall+ Easter 2008 Songs YouTube links <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 42: </td> <td> Line 42: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * '''Grace Valley Choir:''' [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDjRxUisUrU "Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silent" and "For Unto Us a Child is Born" (Dec '07)], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlMcPsi2LWU "Glad Tidings" (Dec '07)] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * '''Grace Valley Choir:'''<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_ATRTXfPGs "Stricken, Smitten and Afflicted" (Easter 2008)], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9hysFHL8EM&amp;feature=related "Sing Choirs of New Jerusalem" (Easter 2008)],</span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDjRxUisUrU "Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silent" and "For Unto Us a Child is Born" (Dec '07)], <span>and </span>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlMcPsi2LWU "Glad Tidings" (Dec '07)] </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2008-09-11 19:33:52JasonAllerlink fixes <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 54: </td> <td> Line 54: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''For discussion about the content of this page, please see ["/Talk" the talk page].''<span>&nbsp;[[Comments]]</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''For discussion about the content of this page, please see ["/Talk" the talk page].'' </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 56: </td> <td> Line 56: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2005-12-01 23:41:53'' [[nbsp]] Is the pastor of Grace Valley Christian Center the ASUCD student coordinator for blood drives? --["MichaelGiardina"] </td> <td> <span>+ [[Comments]]<br> + <br> +</span> ''2005-12-01 23:41:53'' [[nbsp]] Is the pastor of Grace Valley Christian Center the ASUCD student coordinator for blood drives? --["<span>Users/</span>MichaelGiardina"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 58: </td> <td> Line 60: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> -</span> ''2007-03-01 23:08:33'' [[nbsp]] I painted the day care center in Grace Valley. It was a good job. --["StevenDaubert"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2007-03-01 23:08:33'' [[nbsp]] I painted the day care center in Grace Valley. It was a good job. --["<span>Users/</span>StevenDaubert"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2008-03-24 09:07:05RichLindvallquick edit <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 25: </td> <td> Line 25: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Senior Minister ["Reverend P. G. Mathew"]''' </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Senior Minister<span><br> +</span> ["Reverend P. G. Mathew"]''' </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 27: </td> <td> Line 28: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''Senior Associate Minister ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh]''' </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''Senior Associate<span><br> +</span> Minister ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh]''' </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2008-03-20 20:22:59RichLindvallquick edit <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 40: </td> <td> Line 40: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * Grace Valley Choir: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDjRxUisUrU "Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silent" and "For Unto Us a Child is Born" (Dec '07)], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlMcPsi2LWU "Glad Tidings" (Dec '07)] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * <span>'''</span>Grace Valley Choir:<span>'''</span> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDjRxUisUrU "Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silent" and "For Unto Us a Child is Born" (Dec '07)], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlMcPsi2LWU "Glad Tidings" (Dec '07)] </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2008-03-20 20:22:02RichLindvall+ youtube links <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 40: </td> <td> Line 40: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Grace Valley Choir: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDjRxUisUrU "Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silent" and "For Unto Us a Child is Born" (Dec '07)], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlMcPsi2LWU "Glad Tidings" (Dec '07)]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2008-03-10 20:29:27JasonAllerMap location(s) modifiedhttp://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2008-03-10 20:29:27JasonAllerRevert to version 168 (MichelleBasich over reverted, I'll remove the comment she was trying to remove). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ [[Image(Grace_Valley_from_afar.JPG, right, thumbnail, 400)]]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 2: </td> <td> Line 4: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ||27173 ["County Road 98"]||<br> <span>-</span> ||(On the edge of campus property)|| </td> <td> <span>+</span> ||<span>[[Address(</span>27173 ["County Road 98"]<span>)]]</span>||<br> <span>+</span> ||(On the edge of <span>["</span>campus<span>"]</span> property)|| </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 11: </td> <td> Line 13: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- A bible-centered ["Spiritual Organizations" church], whose mission statement is as follows:</span> </td> <td> <span>+ [[TableOfContents]]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 15: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''Our congregation is committed to the Lord Jesus Christ and to the inerrancy and the infallibility of the Holy Scriptures. We are a body committed to living out the call that God has placed upon our lives to be his holy people. As those who have been called out of this world into God's kingdom, we are being built into a community that loves one another and practices God's word. We are regularly encouraged by the rich biblical teaching we receive and by the life we experience here. We believe in the "solas" of the Reformed tradition (sola gratia, sola fide, solo Christo, and sola Scriptura) and are in fellowship with Christian Brethren assemblies throughout the world.''</span> </td> <td> <span>+ = Mission Statement =</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 15: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- To visit their college ministry please see [http://www.gracealive.net].</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ''Our congregation is committed to the Lord Jesus Christ and to the inerrancy and the infallibility of the Holy Scriptures. We are a body committed to living out the call that God has placed upon our lives to be his holy people. As those who have been called out of this world into God's kingdom, we are being built into a community that loves one another and practices God's word. We are regularly encouraged by the rich biblical teaching we receive and by the life we experience here. We believe in the "solas" of the Reformed tradition ([wiki:WikiPedia:Sola_gratia sola gratia], [wiki:WikiPedia:Sola_fide sola fide], solo Christo, and sola Scriptura) and are in fellowship with Christian Brethren assemblies throughout the world.''</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 19: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ = History =</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 18: </td> <td> Line 21: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- =Activities=</span> </td> <td> <span>+ Originally from India, ["Reverend P. G. Mathew"] first came to Davis in 1973 to teach Greek and theology at then St Justin's Theological Seminary. In May 1974 the church was formed as Davis Evangelical Church and met in Rev. Mathew's ["Cranbrook Apartments" Cranbrook Court] apartment. In July services were moved to 345 L Street. From November 1976 to May 1987 services were held at ["Lutheran Church of the Incarnation"] at 1701 ["Russell Boulevard"]. In May 1987 the church moved to its present location at 27173 ["County Road 98"] and the name changed to Grace Valley Christian Center. For a full account see [http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~gvcc/sermon_trans/gvcc_history.html "A History of Grace Valley Christian Center]."</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 20: </td> <td> Line 23: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- Senior Minister Reverend P. G. Mathew makes his sermons available in his [http://www.graceandgloryaudio.org/Feeds/GraceandGlory.xml "Grace and Glory" podcast] and puts his [http://www.gracevalley.org/sermon_transcripts.html transcripts on the web site].</span> </td> <td> <span>+ = Leadership =<br> + http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg<br> + '''Senior Minister ["Reverend P. G. Mathew"]'''<br> + http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg<br> + '''Senior Associate Minister ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh]'''<br> + http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg<br> + '''Elder ["Daniel Washabaugh"]'''</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 22: </td> <td> Line 31: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- In recent years, Grace Valley Christian Center has been holding lectures under what they call the "Faith and Reason Series". Some transcripts and audio files of these lectures are [http://gracevalley.org/Faith_and_Reason_Speaker_Series.html available on the GVCC website]. The lectures question the theory of evolution and evangelize for their church.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ Over the years a number of other prominent local citizens have been involved in leadership including Doctors Peter Droubay and Steven Smith, UC Davis Professor [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Richard Spencer], and UC Davis football offensive coordinator [http://ucdavisaggies.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/moroski_mike00.html Mike Moroski].</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 24: </td> <td> Line 33: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- GVCC invites speakers such as [wiki:WikiPedia:William_A._Dembski William Dembski] (2004) or [wiki:WikiPedia:Michael_Behe Michael Behe] (2005), who then give two lectures on Intelligent Design, one on campus and one at the church. The student club affiliate of GVCC, Grace Alive, hosts the first lecture on a Friday night, usually in ["Chem 194"]. The Friday night speech is generally devoid of overt religious content (recently the lectures have begun with prayers). Then on the following Saturday morning they give the second lecture at the church, which includes religious content. The lectures are about an hour or so long, and are followed by a period for questions lasting about ten minutes.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ = Activities =<br> + * '''Sermons on Podcast''' Senior Minister ["Reverend P. G. Mathew"] makes his sermons available in his [http://www.graceandgloryaudio.org/Feeds/GraceandGlory.xml "Grace and Glory" podcast] and puts his [http://www.gracevalley.org/sermon_transcripts.html transcripts on the web site].</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 26: </td> <td> Line 36: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- For more information on Intelligent Design, please visit [wiki:WikiPedia:Intelligent_Design the Wikipedia page]. Debate over evolution of various flavors versus creationism of various flavors is beyond the scope of this Wiki.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * '''["Grace Alive"]''' Campus Ministry</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 28: </td> <td> Line 38: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * '''["Grace Valley Christian Academy"]''', a private Christian school serving grades kindergarten through 9th grade</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 40: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- =Positive Stories=</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * '''[http://www.gracevalley.org/globalgrace/index.html Global Grace]''', the international ministry of Grace Valley Christian Center. In addition to offering ESL classes to visiting students and scholars, efforts are also made to reach out to seasonal migrant workers.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 31: </td> <td> Line 42: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- For the record, I originally placed Grace Valley Christian Center (GVCC) on this website to inform students of Davis that there was a bible centered church in this town. I came to Davis in 2000, where I knew nothing about religion, faith, sin or God. My life was centered around myself, my studies and anything else that caught my eye. In Spring of 02' I attended Grace Valley, and my life radically changed. I realized I was a sinner, that Jesus Christ died for my sins, and that I needed to lead a holy life in order to glorify God. I went from being a punk-rock, self-centered independent opinionated woman, to a woman who seeks to glorify God every step she takes. When I found out how this site was being used to slander my church, I was horrified and I sought to delete everything that would keep people from attending. Grace Valley is '''NOT''' a cult. Webster's Dictionary defines cult as, "A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader." Since my faith is Christianity, which believes the bible as the inerrent total truth of God, then I suppose if you believe the bible to be "extremist or false" and God to be "an authoritarian, charismatic leader", then I suppose you are justified. Grace Valley is filled with some of the most Godly people I have ever met. People that have invited me into their lives to be apart of their family in a moment's notice. They are not full of lip service, they are '''REAL CHRISTIANS''' as in they practice what they preach. They are real people, who realized their need for Christ, and live their lives in thankful obedience to Him. In this day and age I can understand why 200+ happily married families, with obedient children that say please and thank you may weird some people out. I can even understand why some of you may think it productive to say hateful things on this page, even Jesus says "If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first." John 15:18 It is promised that those will come to tear down the good work of God, they have come, and they always will come, but I stand here in belief that "Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man." Luke 6:22 I am eternally thankful for Grace Valley, its leaders, its members and the total truth of God that it stands for and proclaims. - ["EricaChaffin"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * '''[http://www.tdlgv.org/team/ Team Donate Life Grace Valley]''' June 2007 eight cyclists and ten support team members from Grace Valley participated in the [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/index.php Team Donate Life] [http://www.raceacrossamerica.org/ Race Across America] effort. Their mission: to educate the public regarding the life-saving benefits of organ donation while raising funds toward continued transplant research. Over six days team members rode 24 hours a day to cover the 3,000 miles from Oceanside, California to Atlantic City, New Jersey. In the process they raised over 53,000 dollars. Part of the inspiration for their journey was [http://www.tdlgv.org/donate/ Joan Roby's donation of a kidney] to Simeon Trotter, both members of Grace Valley. Joan was a crew member for the 2007 team. Read more about their adventures on their [http://www.tdlgv.org/log/ Team Donate Life Grace Valley Blog].</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 33: </td> <td> Line 44: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * Erica, I appreciate your zeal for God, and your offense at people criticizing your church. But, if its false, nothing will come of it, and you have nothing to fear... Grace Valley may not be a cult in every sense of the word, but the leader of the church certainly fits your description of a cult leader: "an authoritarian charismatic leader", who not only guides but controls and manipulates the church members through fear and intimidation. Don't fall into the trap of taking all criticism of your church as an attack against you, for your faith in God. It is not "because of the Son of Man", that these criticisms come, but because of the unbiblical practices of the leaders at Grace Valley. If the day ever comes that you decide to go to another church, their reaction will make everything become very clear to you. ["CliftonBurton"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * '''"Faith and Reason Series" Lectures''' In recent years, Grace Valley Christian Center has been holding lectures under what they call the "Faith and Reason Series". Some transcripts and audio files of these lectures are [http://gracevalley.org/Faith_and_Reason_Speaker_Series.html available on the GVCC website]. The lectures question the theory of evolution and present the Gospel. Invited speakers include [wiki:WikiPedia:William_A._Dembski William Dembski] (2004), [wiki:WikiPedia:Michael_Behe Michael Behe] (2005), or [wiki:WikiPedia:Phillip_E._Johnson Phillip E. Johnson] (2006) ([http://www.inoculatedmind.com/?p=147 interview]), who then give two lectures on Intelligent Design, one on campus and one at the church. The student club affiliate of GVCC, Grace Alive, hosts the first lecture on a Friday night, usually in ["Chem 194"]. The Friday night speech is generally devoid of overt religious content (although the lectures begin with prayer). Then on the following Saturday morning they give the second lecture at the church, which includes religious content. The lectures are about an hour or so long, and are followed by a period for questions lasting about ten minutes. For more information on Intelligent Design, please visit [wiki:WikiPedia:Intelligent_Design the Wikipedia page].</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 35: </td> <td> Line 46: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- I have been a member of Grace Valley Christian Center since becoming a Christian twelve years ago. The dialogue below about GVCC being a cult or spiritually abusive may make for interesting reading, but the claims are both misguided and unfounded. As one who has carefully studied both Christian theology and church history (I have a Master’s degree in Religion), I can attest to the fact that GVCC is biblically sound in both its doctrine and its practice. This does not mean that everybody will appreciate it (as evidenced below). The message of the Bible and its authoritative claims are often offensive to people. GVCC’s mission is to clearly and fearlessly declare the message of salvation through Christ to a world that is “without hope and without God.” Standing for truth in a postmodern age is sure elicit the animosity of many.-- ["GregPerry"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ = Experiences and Controversy =<br> + GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the alleged aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Allegations" Allegations] and ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"].</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 37: </td> <td> Line 49: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * Greg, neither "the message of the Bible" nor "its authoritative claims" are the issue in question. You will encounter two main negative views on this page, the first from those who would have a problem with '''any''' stereotypically Protestant church, and those who have a problem with GVCC specifically. I do not believe it to be a leap in logic to say that some of those who attend, for example, First Baptist would have a problem with the behaviour claimed in the ''negative stories'' section below -- does that make them unbelievers? Think carefully before answering; your response will shed a lot of light on the interests and beliefs of GVCC. --["DomenicSantangelo"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + ''For discussion about the content of this page, please see ["/Talk" the talk page].'' [[Comments]]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 39: </td> <td> Line 52: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- =Negative Stories=</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ''2005-12-01 23:41:53'' [[nbsp]] Is the pastor of Grace Valley Christian Center the ASUCD student coordinator for blood drives? --["MichaelGiardina"]<br> + ------</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 41: </td> <td> Line 55: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''There are people who consider Grace Valley to be a ["cults" cult]. Please keep in mind that the following opinions are both valid (i.e., honestly held) and not universal:''<br> - <br> - CAUTION! Grace Valley Christian Center (GVCC) is an abusive, authoritarian personality cult masquerading as an orthodox church. It presents itself as being committed to the Lord Jesus Christ, to the inerrancy of Scripture, and to the Reformed tradition. However, GVCC holds to many unbiblical practices for which it refuses to repent. For example, the pastor is considered a "prophet" worthy of extraordinary deference, service, and one who cannot be questioned lest you be labeled "rebellious" or a "hater of authority"; the leadership "lords it over the flock" by intruding into matters where Christians have liberty such as which car to buy, what person to date/marry, which job to take, etc.; members are sometimes publicly ridiculed; confidential files are kept on members; conformity with the rules are enforced through fear, shame, and public humiliation; many believers have been spiritually and emotionally abused in "counseling" and from the pulpit; believers who sign membership agreements are later told it is "the equivalent to a marriage covenant" and is considered to be life-long, unless asked to leave by the pastor; those who leave without the pastors' approval are shunned (think Jehoveh Witnesses) by all church members, even by members of their own families. The leaders often slander those who leave and the victims are unable to defend themselves or tell the real story. The leaders have been confronted in person, by letter, and by phone, and called on to repent of these unbiblical practices and sins but have refused to repent. In fact, those so bold as to bring these matters to their attention are vilified as "agents of Satan". The pastors of the healthy evangelical churches in the area can attest to the damage done to wounded believers who now attend their churches. Despite the church's efforts to promote its image, don't be deceived. GVCC is not a healthy Christian fellowship - GVCC is a place where Christ's sheep are beaten. For more information on these kinds of authoritarian and abusive churches, see the following link: http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/abuse-ch.html --["JoyfulPilgrim"]<br> - <br> - * I have heard the same. My mother who is religious warned me to stay away from them when I moved to Davis years ago... I'll see if I can dig up some evidence rather than hearsay about it. I'm not interested in libel -- if the analysis is correct, let's get some proof (or at least first-hand accounts) up here; if we can't, let's kill the negativity. --["DomenicSantangelo"]<br> - <br> - * Hey, I used to go to Grace Valley and saw some pretty weird stuff. I saw people get humiliated and treated really badly. I also know from personal experience that once you're a member and decide to leave you will get shunned by pretty much all the people. I think JoyfulPilgrims' description is pretty accurate.--- ChristianDemetrius<br> - <br> - * I went to GVCC for almost two years. I don't particularly know what's appropriate on wiki, but I agree with JoyfulPilgrim's comments. I left the church for many of the same reasons. I wrote the elders a letter stating my concerns and why I was leaving. After they received my letter, I agreed to meet with the pastors. They didn't directly address my concerns, but instead focused on how sinful and inadequate a person I was to have such concerns. The pastor told me that I'm not exactly the brightest person to hold such convictions (since otherwise I would be attending Stanford or somewhere other than UC Davis). The parenthetical bit is as close to verbatim as I can get without a tape recorder. After that, I lost all of the friends I had made at GVCC. They refused to speak with me unless I repented. Twas a pretty bitter experience that I'd rather not hash up. --["TheoPaaske"]<br> - <br> - * Brighter equaling somewhere other than Davis?.. Jesus Christ, these people certainly ''are'' confused. --["JosephBleckman"]<br> - <br> - I, JoyfulPilgrim, would like to say that the "CAUTION!" description below is a result of my own "testimony" - my eyewitness account. [Remainder of comment was deleted by JoyfulPilgrim.]<br> - <br> - * After reading that, I am seriously concerned about what is taking place in Davis. I propose that we forward this to ["Judy Sakaki"], since some of this activity takes place on campus. The UCD Administration should be able to determine if further action is needed or not. This has grown beyond the scope of the wiki, and I hope that those who are anonymous will be willing to speak out. --["BrentLaabs"]<br> - * I concur that abuses should be forwarded to an official, particularly that if GVCC is technically on UCD land, the university could be held liable. - ["KarlMogel" KJM]<br> - * It may or may not be on university land, but Grace Alive is a ["SPAC"] registered organization. So it definitely affects the University.<br> - * There could very well be a hole in University Property where the church/academy are. When I said the chruch was on University property, I made that judgement based on the address. While the church may not be on university property, Grace Alive could be in some trouble. However, nothing will come of this unless people are willing to step forward. One has to remeber that we have the freedom of religion in this country. Where do you draw the line and tell someone that the way in which they practice their faith is wrong? - ["ArlenAbraham" arlen]<br> - * With the flurry of recent updates I think it would prove useful to wait a tad longer, to see if we can get anyone else to collaborate with testimony against the cult, but then it should definitely be brought to the University's attention. Some form of contact information for those who've experienced these things at GVCC would probably be helpful at that point, even if for the sake of anonymity freshly registered yahoo mail accounts are used. I say this, since I'm assuming whomever at the University might investigate these claims would wish to hear them firsthand, rather than secondhand. -- ["JosephBleckman"]<br> - <br> - I too have left this church in Davis because it has evolved to become a closed knit group of radical people who truly believe they are the only true Church in the city, county, and region. Their leadership is very authoritarian, orthodox and isolated from any authentic over sight from other presbyteries or bishops. Recently, some families have left and have been excommunicated, shunned by members, and despite many years of faithful service, malicious and slanderous information have been, and are continuing to be, communicated about them. There is a long list of other individuals, who have left the church over the years because they did not agree with the isolationism, the authoritarianism, the spiritual elitism, and the harsh treatment in counseling, just to name a few issues. They also were personally castigated, publicly vilified and maligned, and ostracized when they left. The most interesting experience for me has been the conversations I have had with teachers, coaches and Pastors I have known for many years in our region. They have ALL expressed great joy and relief to me for “getting out” of that terrible church. I have felt like NEO in the Matrix. Does everyone in Davis know about the extensive aberrations of GVCC and yet nobody has ever communicated these issues to the community at large or to the University? How can this be true? Should there be an official warning sent to students at UC where heavy recruiting of disciples takes place every Fall? The 5 or 6 lawyers on the church staff are lay ministers and perform legal work on behalf of the fellowship pro bono. I truly have fears of a lawsuit if I write an open letter to the editor concerning the issues I have brought up here. I hope the information shared here is helpful in warning the people and students of Davis about this organizations hyper orthodox position and the dangers they present to the authentic Christian community. Brett Feld<br> - * I wouldn't worry about a lawsuit. The only charge they could bring is libel, which in order to stick they would need to prove that what you said was false. - ["KenjiYamada"] (''And prove you wrote the things attributed to you.'')<br> - <br> - <br> - GVCC borders on being a cult, but actually is more accurately defined as a "spiritually abusive" church. It fits the classic definition of one. There are numerous websites available about this type of church.<br> - <br> - Having attended GVCC for a number of years, I can also attest to what goes on there. Joyful Pilgrim describes it perfectly. LightHouse</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ''2007-03-01 23:08:33'' [[nbsp]] I painted the day care center in Grace Valley. It was a good job. --["StevenDaubert"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2007-10-24 15:47:46'' [[nbsp]] On the surface Grace Valley is a wonderful place: close-knit community, good teaching, many wonderful activities for families and singles. Unfortunately, all is not as it seems. Beneath the surface lies a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of individuals by the leadership] as well as the leadership's adherence to an abusive form of [http://www.ubf-net.de/doc/pile.en.htm control] which ultimately robs individuals of their liberty in Christ. [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Experiences Take heed!] --["Users/RichLindvall"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2008-03-10 20:24:33MichelleBasichRevert to version 99 (those who needed to know, already know.). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- [[Image(Grace_Valley_from_afar.JPG, right, thumbnail, 400)]]<br> - </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 4: </td> <td> Line 2: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ||<span>[[Address(</span>27173 ["County Road 98"]<span>)]]</span>||<br> <span>-</span> ||(On the edge of <span>["</span>campus<span>"]</span> property)|| </td> <td> <span>+</span> ||27173 ["County Road 98"]||<br> <span>+</span> ||(On the edge of campus property)|| </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 11: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- [[TableOfContents]]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ A bible-centered ["Spiritual Organizations" church], whose mission statement is as follows:</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 15: </td> <td> Line 13: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- = Mission Statement =</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ''Our congregation is committed to the Lord Jesus Christ and to the inerrancy and the infallibility of the Holy Scriptures. We are a body committed to living out the call that God has placed upon our lives to be his holy people. As those who have been called out of this world into God's kingdom, we are being built into a community that loves one another and practices God's word. We are regularly encouraged by the rich biblical teaching we receive and by the life we experience here. We believe in the "solas" of the Reformed tradition (sola gratia, sola fide, solo Christo, and sola Scriptura) and are in fellowship with Christian Brethren assemblies throughout the world.''</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 15: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''Our congregation is committed to the Lord Jesus Christ and to the inerrancy and the infallibility of the Holy Scriptures. We are a body committed to living out the call that God has placed upon our lives to be his holy people. As those who have been called out of this world into God's kingdom, we are being built into a community that loves one another and practices God's word. We are regularly encouraged by the rich biblical teaching we receive and by the life we experience here. We believe in the "solas" of the Reformed tradition ([wiki:WikiPedia:Sola_gratia sola gratia], [wiki:WikiPedia:Sola_fide sola fide], solo Christo, and sola Scriptura) and are in fellowship with Christian Brethren assemblies throughout the world.''</span> </td> <td> <span>+ To visit their college ministry please see [http://www.gracealive.net].</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 19: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- = History =</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 21: </td> <td> Line 18: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- Originally from India, ["Reverend P. G. Mathew"] first came to Davis in 1973 to teach Greek and theology at then St Justin's Theological Seminary. In May 1974 the church was formed as Davis Evangelical Church and met in Rev. Mathew's ["Cranbrook Apartments" Cranbrook Court] apartment. In July services were moved to 345 L Street. From November 1976 to May 1987 services were held at ["Lutheran Church of the Incarnation"] at 1701 ["Russell Boulevard"]. In May 1987 the church moved to its present location at 27173 ["County Road 98"] and the name changed to Grace Valley Christian Center. For a full account see [http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~gvcc/sermon_trans/gvcc_history.html "A History of Grace Valley Christian Center]."</span> </td> <td> <span>+ =Activities=</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 23: </td> <td> Line 20: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- = Leadership =<br> - http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg<br> - '''Senior Minister ["Reverend P. G. Mathew"]'''<br> - http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg<br> - '''Senior Associate Minister ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh]'''<br> - http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg<br> - '''Elder ["Daniel Washabaugh"]'''</span> </td> <td> <span>+ Senior Minister Reverend P. G. Mathew makes his sermons available in his [http://www.graceandgloryaudio.org/Feeds/GraceandGlory.xml "Grace and Glory" podcast] and puts his [http://www.gracevalley.org/sermon_transcripts.html transcripts on the web site].</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 31: </td> <td> Line 22: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- Over the years a number of other prominent local citizens have been involved in leadership including Doctors Peter Droubay and Steven Smith, UC Davis Professor [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Richard Spencer], and UC Davis football offensive coordinator [http://ucdavisaggies.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/moroski_mike00.html Mike Moroski].</span> </td> <td> <span>+ In recent years, Grace Valley Christian Center has been holding lectures under what they call the "Faith and Reason Series". Some transcripts and audio files of these lectures are [http://gracevalley.org/Faith_and_Reason_Speaker_Series.html available on the GVCC website]. The lectures question the theory of evolution and evangelize for their church.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 33: </td> <td> Line 24: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- = Activities =<br> - * '''Sermons on Podcast''' Senior Minister ["Reverend P. G. Mathew"] makes his sermons available in his [http://www.graceandgloryaudio.org/Feeds/GraceandGlory.xml "Grace and Glory" podcast] and puts his [http://www.gracevalley.org/sermon_transcripts.html transcripts on the web site].</span> </td> <td> <span>+ GVCC invites speakers such as [wiki:WikiPedia:William_A._Dembski William Dembski] (2004) or [wiki:WikiPedia:Michael_Behe Michael Behe] (2005), who then give two lectures on Intelligent Design, one on campus and one at the church. The student club affiliate of GVCC, Grace Alive, hosts the first lecture on a Friday night, usually in ["Chem 194"]. The Friday night speech is generally devoid of overt religious content (recently the lectures have begun with prayers). Then on the following Saturday morning they give the second lecture at the church, which includes religious content. The lectures are about an hour or so long, and are followed by a period for questions lasting about ten minutes.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 36: </td> <td> Line 26: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * '''["Grace Alive"]''' Campus Ministry</span> </td> <td> <span>+ For more information on Intelligent Design, please visit [wiki:WikiPedia:Intelligent_Design the Wikipedia page]. Debate over evolution of various flavors versus creationism of various flavors is beyond the scope of this Wiki.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 38: </td> <td> Line 28: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * '''["Grace Valley Christian Academy"]''', a private Christian school serving grades kindergarten through 9th grade</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 40: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * '''[http://www.gracevalley.org/globalgrace/index.html Global Grace]''', the international ministry of Grace Valley Christian Center. In addition to offering ESL classes to visiting students and scholars, efforts are also made to reach out to seasonal migrant workers.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ =Positive Stories=</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 42: </td> <td> Line 31: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * '''[http://www.tdlgv.org/team/ Team Donate Life Grace Valley]''' June 2007 eight cyclists and ten support team members from Grace Valley participated in the [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/index.php Team Donate Life] [http://www.raceacrossamerica.org/ Race Across America] effort. Their mission: to educate the public regarding the life-saving benefits of organ donation while raising funds toward continued transplant research. Over six days team members rode 24 hours a day to cover the 3,000 miles from Oceanside, California to Atlantic City, New Jersey. In the process they raised over 53,000 dollars. Part of the inspiration for their journey was [http://www.tdlgv.org/donate/ Joan Roby's donation of a kidney] to Simeon Trotter, both members of Grace Valley. Joan was a crew member for the 2007 team. Read more about their adventures on their [http://www.tdlgv.org/log/ Team Donate Life Grace Valley Blog].</span> </td> <td> <span>+ For the record, I originally placed Grace Valley Christian Center (GVCC) on this website to inform students of Davis that there was a bible centered church in this town. I came to Davis in 2000, where I knew nothing about religion, faith, sin or God. My life was centered around myself, my studies and anything else that caught my eye. In Spring of 02' I attended Grace Valley, and my life radically changed. I realized I was a sinner, that Jesus Christ died for my sins, and that I needed to lead a holy life in order to glorify God. I went from being a punk-rock, self-centered independent opinionated woman, to a woman who seeks to glorify God every step she takes. When I found out how this site was being used to slander my church, I was horrified and I sought to delete everything that would keep people from attending. Grace Valley is '''NOT''' a cult. Webster's Dictionary defines cult as, "A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader." Since my faith is Christianity, which believes the bible as the inerrent total truth of God, then I suppose if you believe the bible to be "extremist or false" and God to be "an authoritarian, charismatic leader", then I suppose you are justified. Grace Valley is filled with some of the most Godly people I have ever met. People that have invited me into their lives to be apart of their family in a moment's notice. They are not full of lip service, they are '''REAL CHRISTIANS''' as in they practice what they preach. They are real people, who realized their need for Christ, and live their lives in thankful obedience to Him. In this day and age I can understand why 200+ happily married families, with obedient children that say please and thank you may weird some people out. I can even understand why some of you may think it productive to say hateful things on this page, even Jesus says "If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first." John 15:18 It is promised that those will come to tear down the good work of God, they have come, and they always will come, but I stand here in belief that "Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man." Luke 6:22 I am eternally thankful for Grace Valley, its leaders, its members and the total truth of God that it stands for and proclaims. - ["EricaChaffin"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 44: </td> <td> Line 33: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * '''"Faith and Reason Series" Lectures''' In recent years, Grace Valley Christian Center has been holding lectures under what they call the "Faith and Reason Series". Some transcripts and audio files of these lectures are [http://gracevalley.org/Faith_and_Reason_Speaker_Series.html available on the GVCC website]. The lectures question the theory of evolution and present the Gospel. Invited speakers include [wiki:WikiPedia:William_A._Dembski William Dembski] (2004), [wiki:WikiPedia:Michael_Behe Michael Behe] (2005), or [wiki:WikiPedia:Phillip_E._Johnson Phillip E. Johnson] (2006) ([http://www.inoculatedmind.com/?p=147 interview]), who then give two lectures on Intelligent Design, one on campus and one at the church. The student club affiliate of GVCC, Grace Alive, hosts the first lecture on a Friday night, usually in ["Chem 194"]. The Friday night speech is generally devoid of overt religious content (although the lectures begin with prayer). Then on the following Saturday morning they give the second lecture at the church, which includes religious content. The lectures are about an hour or so long, and are followed by a period for questions lasting about ten minutes. For more information on Intelligent Design, please visit [wiki:WikiPedia:Intelligent_Design the Wikipedia page].</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * Erica, I appreciate your zeal for God, and your offense at people criticizing your church. But, if its false, nothing will come of it, and you have nothing to fear... Grace Valley may not be a cult in every sense of the word, but the leader of the church certainly fits your description of a cult leader: "an authoritarian charismatic leader", who not only guides but controls and manipulates the church members through fear and intimidation. Don't fall into the trap of taking all criticism of your church as an attack against you, for your faith in God. It is not "because of the Son of Man", that these criticisms come, but because of the unbiblical practices of the leaders at Grace Valley. If the day ever comes that you decide to go to another church, their reaction will make everything become very clear to you. ["CliftonBurton"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 46: </td> <td> Line 35: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- = Experiences and Controversy =<br> - GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the alleged aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Allegations" Allegations] and ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"].</span> </td> <td> <span>+ I have been a member of Grace Valley Christian Center since becoming a Christian twelve years ago. The dialogue below about GVCC being a cult or spiritually abusive may make for interesting reading, but the claims are both misguided and unfounded. As one who has carefully studied both Christian theology and church history (I have a Master’s degree in Religion), I can attest to the fact that GVCC is biblically sound in both its doctrine and its practice. This does not mean that everybody will appreciate it (as evidenced below). The message of the Bible and its authoritative claims are often offensive to people. GVCC’s mission is to clearly and fearlessly declare the message of salvation through Christ to a world that is “without hope and without God.” Standing for truth in a postmodern age is sure elicit the animosity of many.-- ["GregPerry"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 49: </td> <td> Line 37: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- -----<br> - ''For discussion about the content of this page, please see ["/Talk" the talk page].'' [[Comments]]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * Greg, neither "the message of the Bible" nor "its authoritative claims" are the issue in question. You will encounter two main negative views on this page, the first from those who would have a problem with '''any''' stereotypically Protestant church, and those who have a problem with GVCC specifically. I do not believe it to be a leap in logic to say that some of those who attend, for example, First Baptist would have a problem with the behaviour claimed in the ''negative stories'' section below -- does that make them unbelievers? Think carefully before answering; your response will shed a lot of light on the interests and beliefs of GVCC. --["DomenicSantangelo"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 52: </td> <td> Line 39: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2005-12-01 23:41:53'' [[nbsp]] Is the pastor of Grace Valley Christian Center the ASUCD student coordinator for blood drives? --["MichaelGiardina"]<br> - ------</span> </td> <td> <span>+ =Negative Stories=</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 55: </td> <td> Line 41: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2007-03-01 23:08:33'' [[nbsp]] I painted the day care center in Grace Valley. It was a good job. --["StevenDaubert"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2007-10-24 15:47:46'' [[nbsp]] On the surface Grace Valley is a wonderful place: close-knit community, good teaching, many wonderful activities for families and singles. Unfortunately, all is not as it seems. Beneath the surface lies a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of individuals by the leadership] as well as the leadership's adherence to an abusive form of [http://www.ubf-net.de/doc/pile.en.htm control] which ultimately robs individuals of their liberty in Christ. [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Experiences Take heed!] --["Users/RichLindvall"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ''There are people who consider Grace Valley to be a ["cults" cult]. Please keep in mind that the following opinions are both valid (i.e., honestly held) and not universal:''<br> + <br> + CAUTION! Grace Valley Christian Center (GVCC) is an abusive, authoritarian personality cult masquerading as an orthodox church. It presents itself as being committed to the Lord Jesus Christ, to the inerrancy of Scripture, and to the Reformed tradition. However, GVCC holds to many unbiblical practices for which it refuses to repent. For example, the pastor is considered a "prophet" worthy of extraordinary deference, service, and one who cannot be questioned lest you be labeled "rebellious" or a "hater of authority"; the leadership "lords it over the flock" by intruding into matters where Christians have liberty such as which car to buy, what person to date/marry, which job to take, etc.; members are sometimes publicly ridiculed; confidential files are kept on members; conformity with the rules are enforced through fear, shame, and public humiliation; many believers have been spiritually and emotionally abused in "counseling" and from the pulpit; believers who sign membership agreements are later told it is "the equivalent to a marriage covenant" and is considered to be life-long, unless asked to leave by the pastor; those who leave without the pastors' approval are shunned (think Jehoveh Witnesses) by all church members, even by members of their own families. The leaders often slander those who leave and the victims are unable to defend themselves or tell the real story. The leaders have been confronted in person, by letter, and by phone, and called on to repent of these unbiblical practices and sins but have refused to repent. In fact, those so bold as to bring these matters to their attention are vilified as "agents of Satan". The pastors of the healthy evangelical churches in the area can attest to the damage done to wounded believers who now attend their churches. Despite the church's efforts to promote its image, don't be deceived. GVCC is not a healthy Christian fellowship - GVCC is a place where Christ's sheep are beaten. For more information on these kinds of authoritarian and abusive churches, see the following link: http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/abuse-ch.html --["JoyfulPilgrim"]<br> + <br> + * I have heard the same. My mother who is religious warned me to stay away from them when I moved to Davis years ago... I'll see if I can dig up some evidence rather than hearsay about it. I'm not interested in libel -- if the analysis is correct, let's get some proof (or at least first-hand accounts) up here; if we can't, let's kill the negativity. --["DomenicSantangelo"]<br> + <br> + * Hey, I used to go to Grace Valley and saw some pretty weird stuff. I saw people get humiliated and treated really badly. I also know from personal experience that once you're a member and decide to leave you will get shunned by pretty much all the people. I think JoyfulPilgrims' description is pretty accurate.--- ChristianDemetrius<br> + <br> + * I went to GVCC for almost two years. I don't particularly know what's appropriate on wiki, but I agree with JoyfulPilgrim's comments. I left the church for many of the same reasons. I wrote the elders a letter stating my concerns and why I was leaving. After they received my letter, I agreed to meet with the pastors. They didn't directly address my concerns, but instead focused on how sinful and inadequate a person I was to have such concerns. The pastor told me that I'm not exactly the brightest person to hold such convictions (since otherwise I would be attending Stanford or somewhere other than UC Davis). The parenthetical bit is as close to verbatim as I can get without a tape recorder. After that, I lost all of the friends I had made at GVCC. They refused to speak with me unless I repented. Twas a pretty bitter experience that I'd rather not hash up. --["TheoPaaske"]<br> + <br> + * Brighter equaling somewhere other than Davis?.. Jesus Christ, these people certainly ''are'' confused. --["JosephBleckman"]<br> + <br> + I, JoyfulPilgrim, would like to say that the "CAUTION!" description below is a result of my own "testimony" - my eyewitness account. [Remainder of comment was deleted by JoyfulPilgrim.]<br> + <br> + * After reading that, I am seriously concerned about what is taking place in Davis. I propose that we forward this to ["Judy Sakaki"], since some of this activity takes place on campus. The UCD Administration should be able to determine if further action is needed or not. This has grown beyond the scope of the wiki, and I hope that those who are anonymous will be willing to speak out. --["BrentLaabs"]<br> + * I concur that abuses should be forwarded to an official, particularly that if GVCC is technically on UCD land, the university could be held liable. - ["KarlMogel" KJM]<br> + * It may or may not be on university land, but Grace Alive is a ["SPAC"] registered organization. So it definitely affects the University.<br> + * There could very well be a hole in University Property where the church/academy are. When I said the chruch was on University property, I made that judgement based on the address. While the church may not be on university property, Grace Alive could be in some trouble. However, nothing will come of this unless people are willing to step forward. One has to remeber that we have the freedom of religion in this country. Where do you draw the line and tell someone that the way in which they practice their faith is wrong? - ["ArlenAbraham" arlen]<br> + * With the flurry of recent updates I think it would prove useful to wait a tad longer, to see if we can get anyone else to collaborate with testimony against the cult, but then it should definitely be brought to the University's attention. Some form of contact information for those who've experienced these things at GVCC would probably be helpful at that point, even if for the sake of anonymity freshly registered yahoo mail accounts are used. I say this, since I'm assuming whomever at the University might investigate these claims would wish to hear them firsthand, rather than secondhand. -- ["JosephBleckman"]<br> + <br> + I too have left this church in Davis because it has evolved to become a closed knit group of radical people who truly believe they are the only true Church in the city, county, and region. Their leadership is very authoritarian, orthodox and isolated from any authentic over sight from other presbyteries or bishops. Recently, some families have left and have been excommunicated, shunned by members, and despite many years of faithful service, malicious and slanderous information have been, and are continuing to be, communicated about them. There is a long list of other individuals, who have left the church over the years because they did not agree with the isolationism, the authoritarianism, the spiritual elitism, and the harsh treatment in counseling, just to name a few issues. They also were personally castigated, publicly vilified and maligned, and ostracized when they left. The most interesting experience for me has been the conversations I have had with teachers, coaches and Pastors I have known for many years in our region. They have ALL expressed great joy and relief to me for “getting out” of that terrible church. I have felt like NEO in the Matrix. Does everyone in Davis know about the extensive aberrations of GVCC and yet nobody has ever communicated these issues to the community at large or to the University? How can this be true? Should there be an official warning sent to students at UC where heavy recruiting of disciples takes place every Fall? The 5 or 6 lawyers on the church staff are lay ministers and perform legal work on behalf of the fellowship pro bono. I truly have fears of a lawsuit if I write an open letter to the editor concerning the issues I have brought up here. I hope the information shared here is helpful in warning the people and students of Davis about this organizations hyper orthodox position and the dangers they present to the authentic Christian community. Brett Feld<br> + * I wouldn't worry about a lawsuit. The only charge they could bring is libel, which in order to stick they would need to prove that what you said was false. - ["KenjiYamada"] (''And prove you wrote the things attributed to you.'')<br> + <br> + <br> + GVCC borders on being a cult, but actually is more accurately defined as a "spiritually abusive" church. It fits the classic definition of one. There are numerous websites available about this type of church.<br> + <br> + Having attended GVCC for a number of years, I can also attest to what goes on there. Joyful Pilgrim describes it perfectly. LightHouse</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2008-02-03 19:32:21RichLindvall+ Team Donate Life Grace Valley/links <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 42: </td> <td> Line 42: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * '''[http://www.tdlgv.org/team/ Team Donate Life Grace Valley]''' June 2007 eight cyclists and ten support team members from Grace Valley participated in the [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/index.php Team Donate Life] [http://www.raceacrossamerica.org/ Race Across America] effort. Their mission: to educate the public regarding the life-saving benefits of organ donation while raising funds toward continued transplant research. Over six days team members rode 24 hours a day to cover the 3,000 miles from Oceanside, California to Atlantic City, New Jersey. In the process they raised over 53,000 dollars. Part of the inspiration for their journey was [http://www.tdlgv.org/donate/ Joan Roby's donation of a kidney] to Simeon Trotter, both members of Grace Valley. Joan was a crew member for the 2007 team. Read more about their adventures on their [http://www.tdlgv.org/log/ Team Donate Life Grace Valley Blog].<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2008-02-03 08:31:43RichLindvall+ Global Grace/link <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 40: </td> <td> Line 40: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * '''[http://www.gracevalley.org/globalgrace/index.html Global Grace]''', the international ministry of Grace Valley Christian Center. In addition to offering ESL classes to visiting students and scholars, efforts are also made to reach out to seasonal migrant workers.<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2008-01-28 22:00:25RichLindvallfixed link <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 53: </td> <td> Line 53: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2007-10-24 15:47:46'' [[nbsp]] On the surface Grace Valley is a wonderful place: close-knit community, good teaching, many wonderful activities for families and singles. Unfortunately, all is not as it seems. Beneath the surface lies a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of individuals by the leadership] as well as the leadership's adherence to an abusive form of [http://<span>gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship</span>.htm control] which ultimately robs individuals of their liberty in Christ. [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Experiences Take heed!] --["Users/RichLindvall"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2007-10-24 15:47:46'' [[nbsp]] On the surface Grace Valley is a wonderful place: close-knit community, good teaching, many wonderful activities for families and singles. Unfortunately, all is not as it seems. Beneath the surface lies a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of individuals by the leadership] as well as the leadership's adherence to an abusive form of [http://<span>www.ubf-net.de/doc/pile.en</span>.htm control] which ultimately robs individuals of their liberty in Christ. [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Experiences Take heed!] --["Users/RichLindvall"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-11-18 16:29:15RichLindvall+ links <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p>No differences found!</div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-11-18 16:27:58RichLindvall+ links <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 21: </td> <td> Line 21: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Originally from India, ["Reverend P. G. Mathew"] first came to Davis in 1973 to teach Greek and theology at then St Justin's Theological Seminary. In May 1974 the church was formed as Davis Evangelical Church and met in Rev. Mathew's Cranbrook <span>Court</span> apartment. In July services were moved to 345 L Street. From November 1976 to May 1987 services were held at Lutheran Church of the Incarnation at 1701 Russell B<span>lvd</span>. In May 1987 the church moved to its present location at 27173 County Road 98 and the name changed to Grace Valley Christian Center. For a full account see [http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~gvcc/sermon_trans/gvcc_history.html "A History of Grace Valley Christian Center]." </td> <td> <span>+</span> Originally from India, ["Reverend P. G. Mathew"] first came to Davis in 1973 to teach Greek and theology at then St Justin's Theological Seminary. In May 1974 the church was formed as Davis Evangelical Church and met in Rev. Mathew's <span>["</span>Cranbrook <span>Apartments" Cranbrook Court]</span> apartment. In July services were moved to 345 L Street. From November 1976 to May 1987 services were held at <span>["</span>Lutheran Church of the Incarnation<span>"]</span> at 1701 <span>["</span>Russell B<span>oulevard"]</span>. In May 1987 the church moved to its present location at 27173 <span>["</span>County Road 98<span>"]</span> and the name changed to Grace Valley Christian Center. For a full account see [http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~gvcc/sermon_trans/gvcc_history.html "A History of Grace Valley Christian Center]." </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 31: </td> <td> Line 31: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Over the years a number of other prominent local citizens have been involved in leadership including Doctors Peter Droubay and Steven Smith, UC Davis Professor Richard Spencer, and UC Davis football offensive coordinator Mike Moroski<span>.</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> Over the years a number of other prominent local citizens have been involved in leadership including Doctors Peter Droubay and Steven Smith, UC Davis Professor <span>[http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ </span>Richard Spencer<span>]</span>, and UC Davis football offensive coordinator <span>[http://ucdavisaggies.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/moroski_mike00.html </span>Mike Moroski<span>].</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-11-17 05:24:55RichLindvallquick edit <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p>No differences found!</div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-11-17 05:23:57RichLindvallquick edit <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p>No differences found!</div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-11-17 05:21:13RichLindvallquick edit <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 40: </td> <td> Line 40: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * '''"Faith and Reason Series" Lectures''' In recent years, Grace Valley Christian Center has been holding lectures under what they call the "Faith and Reason Series". Some transcripts and audio files of these lectures are [http://gracevalley.org/Faith_and_Reason_Speaker_Series.html available on the GVCC website]. The lectures question the theory of evolution and <span>evangelize for their church</span>. Invited speakers include [wiki:WikiPedia:William_A._Dembski William Dembski] (2004), [wiki:WikiPedia:Michael_Behe Michael Behe] (2005), or [wiki:WikiPedia:Phillip_E._Johnson Phillip E. Johnson] (2006) ([http://www.inoculatedmind.com/?p=147 interview]), who then give two lectures on Intelligent Design, one on campus and one at the church. The student club affiliate of GVCC, Grace Alive, hosts the first lecture on a Friday night, usually in ["Chem 194"]. The Friday night speech is generally devoid of overt religious content (although the lectures begin with prayer). Then on the following Saturday morning they give the second lecture at the church, which includes religious content. The lectures are about an hour or so long, and are followed by a period for questions lasting about ten minutes. For more information on Intelligent Design, please visit [wiki:WikiPedia:Intelligent_Design the Wikipedia page]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> * '''"Faith and Reason Series" Lectures''' In recent years, Grace Valley Christian Center has been holding lectures under what they call the "Faith and Reason Series". Some transcripts and audio files of these lectures are [http://gracevalley.org/Faith_and_Reason_Speaker_Series.html available on the GVCC website]. The lectures question the theory of evolution and <span>present the Gospel</span>. Invited speakers include [wiki:WikiPedia:William_A._Dembski William Dembski] (2004), [wiki:WikiPedia:Michael_Behe Michael Behe] (2005), or [wiki:WikiPedia:Phillip_E._Johnson Phillip E. Johnson] (2006) ([http://www.inoculatedmind.com/?p=147 interview]), who then give two lectures on Intelligent Design, one on campus and one at the church. The student club affiliate of GVCC, Grace Alive, hosts the first lecture on a Friday night, usually in ["Chem 194"]. The Friday night speech is generally devoid of overt religious content (although the lectures begin with prayer). Then on the following Saturday morning they give the second lecture at the church, which includes religious content. The lectures are about an hour or so long, and are followed by a period for questions lasting about ten minutes. For more information on Intelligent Design, please visit [wiki:WikiPedia:Intelligent_Design the Wikipedia page]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-11-17 05:17:40RichLindvallquick edit <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 36: </td> <td> Line 36: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * '''["Grace Alive"]''' Campus Ministry<span>&nbsp;as well as a school called</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> * '''["Grace Alive"]''' Campus Ministry </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 38: </td> <td> Line 38: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * '''["Grace Valley Christian Academy"]''' </td> <td> <span>+</span> * '''["Grace Valley Christian Academy"]'''<span>, a private Christian school serving grades kindergarten through 9th grade</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 40: </td> <td> Line 40: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> * '''"Faith and Reason Series" Lectures''' In recent years, Grace Valley Christian Center has been holding lectures under what they call the "Faith and Reason Series". Some transcripts and audio files of these lectures are [http://gracevalley.org/Faith_and_Reason_Speaker_Series.html available on the GVCC website]. The lectures question the theory of evolution and evangelize for their church. Invited speakers include [wiki:WikiPedia:William_A._Dembski William Dembski] (2004), [wiki:WikiPedia:Michael_Behe Michael Behe] (2005), or [wiki:WikiPedia:Phillip_E._Johnson Phillip E. Johnson] (2006) ([http://www.inoculatedmind.com/?p=147 interview]), who then give two lectures on Intelligent Design, one on campus and one at the church. The student club affiliate of GVCC, Grace Alive, hosts the first lecture on a Friday night, usually in ["Chem 194"]. The Friday night speech is generally devoid of overt religious content (although the lectures begin with prayer). Then on the following Saturday morning they give the second lecture at the church, which includes religious content. The lectures are about an hour or so long, and are followed by a period for questions lasting about ten minutes. For more information on Intelligent Design, please visit [wiki:WikiPedia:Intelligent_Design the Wikipedia page]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> * '''"Faith and Reason Series" Lectures''' In recent years, Grace Valley Christian Center has been holding lectures under what they call the "Faith and Reason Series". Some transcripts and audio files of these lectures are [http://gracevalley.org/Faith_and_Reason_Speaker_Series.html available on the GVCC website]. The lectures question the theory of evolution and evangelize for their church. Invited speakers include [wiki:WikiPedia:William_A._Dembski William Dembski] (2004), [wiki:WikiPedia:Michael_Behe Michael Behe] (2005), or [wiki:WikiPedia:Phillip_E._Johnson Phillip E. Johnson] (2006) ([http://www.inoculatedmind.com/?p=147 interview]), who then give two lectures on Intelligent Design, one on campus and one at the church. The student club affiliate of GVCC, Grace Alive, hosts the first lecture on a Friday night, usually in ["Chem 194"]. The Friday night speech is generally devoid of overt religious content (although the lectures begin with prayer). Then on the following Saturday morning they give the second lecture at the church, which includes religious content. The lectures are about an hour or so long, and are followed by a period for questions lasting about ten minutes. For more information on Intelligent Design, please visit [wiki:WikiPedia:Intelligent_Design the Wikipedia page]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-11-17 05:15:38RichLindvall+ history, various edits <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 16: </td> <td> Line 16: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- A bible-centered ["Spiritual Organizations" church], whose mission statement is as follows:</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 20: </td> <td> Line 19: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- They also have an active campus ministry program known as ["Grace Alive"] as well as a school called ["Grace Valley Christian Academy"].</span> </td> <td> <span>+ = History =<br> + <br> + Originally from India, ["Reverend P. G. Mathew"] first came to Davis in 1973 to teach Greek and theology at then St Justin's Theological Seminary. In May 1974 the church was formed as Davis Evangelical Church and met in Rev. Mathew's Cranbrook Court apartment. In July services were moved to 345 L Street. From November 1976 to May 1987 services were held at Lutheran Church of the Incarnation at 1701 Russell Blvd. In May 1987 the church moved to its present location at 27173 County Road 98 and the name changed to Grace Valley Christian Center. For a full account see [http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~gvcc/sermon_trans/gvcc_history.html "A History of Grace Valley Christian Center]."</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 33: </td> <td> Line 34: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span>Senior Minister ["Reverend P. G. Mathew"] makes his sermons available in his [http://www.graceandgloryaudio.org/Feeds/GraceandGlory.xml "Grace and Glory" podcast] and puts his [http://www.gracevalley.org/sermon_transcripts.html transcripts on the web site]. </td> <td> <span>+ * '''</span>Se<span>rmons on Podcast''' Se</span>nior Minister ["Reverend P. G. Mathew"] makes his sermons available in his [http://www.graceandgloryaudio.org/Feeds/GraceandGlory.xml "Grace and Glory" podcast] and puts his [http://www.gracevalley.org/sermon_transcripts.html transcripts on the web site]. </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 35: </td> <td> Line 36: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- In recent years, Grace Valley Christian Center has been holding lectures under what they call the "Faith and Reason Series". Some transcripts and audio files of these lectures are [http://gracevalley.org/Faith_and_Reason_Speaker_Series.html available on the GVCC website]. The lectures question the theory of evolution and evangelize for their church.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * '''["Grace Alive"]''' Campus Ministry as well as a school called</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 37: </td> <td> Line 38: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- GVCC invites speakers such as [wiki:WikiPedia:William_A._Dembski William Dembski] (2004), [wiki:WikiPedia:Michael_Behe Michael Behe] (2005), or [wiki:WikiPedia:Phillip_E._Johnson Phillip E. Johnson] (2006) ([http://www.inoculatedmind.com/?p=147 interview]), who then give two lectures on Intelligent Design, one on campus and one at the church. The student club affiliate of GVCC, Grace Alive, hosts the first lecture on a Friday night, usually in ["Chem 194"]. The Friday night speech is generally devoid of overt religious content (although the lectures begin with prayer). Then on the following Saturday morning they give the second lecture at the church, which includes religious content. The lectures are about an hour or so long, and are followed by a period for questions lasting about ten minutes.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * '''["Grace Valley Christian Academy"]'''</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 39: </td> <td> Line 40: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- For more information on Intelligent Design, please visit [wiki:WikiPedia:Intelligent_Design the Wikipedia page].</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * '''"Faith and Reason Series" Lectures''' In recent years, Grace Valley Christian Center has been holding lectures under what they call the "Faith and Reason Series". Some transcripts and audio files of these lectures are [http://gracevalley.org/Faith_and_Reason_Speaker_Series.html available on the GVCC website]. The lectures question the theory of evolution and evangelize for their church. Invited speakers include [wiki:WikiPedia:William_A._Dembski William Dembski] (2004), [wiki:WikiPedia:Michael_Behe Michael Behe] (2005), or [wiki:WikiPedia:Phillip_E._Johnson Phillip E. Johnson] (2006) ([http://www.inoculatedmind.com/?p=147 interview]), who then give two lectures on Intelligent Design, one on campus and one at the church. The student club affiliate of GVCC, Grace Alive, hosts the first lecture on a Friday night, usually in ["Chem 194"]. The Friday night speech is generally devoid of overt religious content (although the lectures begin with prayer). Then on the following Saturday morning they give the second lecture at the church, which includes religious content. The lectures are about an hour or so long, and are followed by a period for questions lasting about ten minutes. For more information on Intelligent Design, please visit [wiki:WikiPedia:Intelligent_Design the Wikipedia page].</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-11-16 21:42:07RichLindvall+ mission statement sub heading <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 15: </td> <td> Line 15: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ = Mission Statement =</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-11-16 12:38:04RichLindvall+table of contents, other leaders <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 12: </td> <td> Line 12: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + [[TableOfContents]]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 26: </td> <td> Line 28: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + Over the years a number of other prominent local citizens have been involved in leadership including Doctors Peter Droubay and Steven Smith, UC Davis Professor Richard Spencer, and UC Davis football offensive coordinator Mike Moroski.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-10-30 21:13:23RichLindvalladded link to "Recovering From Spiritual Abuse" <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 37: </td> <td> Line 37: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the alleged aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Allegations" Allegations]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the alleged aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Allegations" Allegations]<span>&nbsp;and ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"]</span>. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-10-24 16:07:31RichLindvalladded "bold" to leadership names <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 21: </td> <td> Line 21: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Senior Minister ["Reverend P. G. Mathew"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> <span>'''</span>Senior Minister ["Reverend P. G. Mathew"]<span>'''</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 23: </td> <td> Line 23: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Senior Associate Minister ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh] </td> <td> <span>+</span> <span>'''</span>Senior Associate Minister ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh]<span>'''</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 25: </td> <td> Line 25: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Elder ["Daniel Washabaugh"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> <span>'''</span>Elder ["Daniel Washabaugh"]<span>'''</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-10-24 15:51:06RichLindvallquick edit <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 28: </td> <td> Line 28: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> -</span> Senior Minister Reverend P. G. Mathew makes his sermons available in his [http://www.graceandgloryaudio.org/Feeds/GraceandGlory.xml "Grace and Glory" podcast] and puts his [http://www.gracevalley.org/sermon_transcripts.html transcripts on the web site]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> Senior Minister <span>["</span>Reverend P. G. Mathew<span>"]</span> makes his sermons available in his [http://www.graceandgloryaudio.org/Feeds/GraceandGlory.xml "Grace and Glory" podcast] and puts his [http://www.gracevalley.org/sermon_transcripts.html transcripts on the web site]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-10-24 14:50:43RichLindvallquick edit <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 48: </td> <td> Line 48: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2007-10-24 15:47:46'' [[nbsp]] On the surface Grace Valley is a wonderful place: close-knit community, good teaching, many wonderful activities for families and singles. Unfortunately, all is not as it seems. Beneath the surface lies a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of individuals by the leadership] as well as the leadership's adherence to an abusive form of [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm control] which ultimately robs individuals of their liberty in Christ. [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Experiences Take heed!] --["Users/RichLindvall"]<span>&nbsp;--["Users/RichLindvall"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2007-10-24 15:47:46'' [[nbsp]] On the surface Grace Valley is a wonderful place: close-knit community, good teaching, many wonderful activities for families and singles. Unfortunately, all is not as it seems. Beneath the surface lies a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of individuals by the leadership] as well as the leadership's adherence to an abusive form of [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm control] which ultimately robs individuals of their liberty in Christ. [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Experiences Take heed!] --["Users/RichLindvall"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-10-24 14:47:46RichLindvallComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 47: </td> <td> Line 47: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-10-24 15:47:46'' [[nbsp]] On the surface Grace Valley is a wonderful place: close-knit community, good teaching, many wonderful activities for families and singles. Unfortunately, all is not as it seems. Beneath the surface lies a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of individuals by the leadership] as well as the leadership's adherence to an abusive form of [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm control] which ultimately robs individuals of their liberty in Christ. [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Experiences Take heed!] --["Users/RichLindvall"] --["Users/RichLindvall"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-10-24 14:47:34RichLindvalldeleted my two comments, replaced with one <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 47: </td> <td> Line 47: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2007-07-17 08:55:30'' [[nbsp]] Be advised: The leadership at GVCC exercises total control over many of the people there. --["Users/RichLindvall"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2007-10-03 12:51:05'' [[nbsp]] On the surface Grace Valley is a wonderful place: close-knit community, good teaching, many wonderful activities for families and singles. What spoils it is the leadership's adherence to an abusive form of [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm control] which ultimately robs individuals of their liberty in Christ. --["Users/RichLindvall"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-10-24 09:50:29RichLindvalladded link to separate page: daniel washabaugh <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 25: </td> <td> Line 25: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Elder Daniel Washabaugh </td> <td> <span>+</span> Elder <span>["</span>Daniel Washabaugh<span>"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-10-24 09:40:01RichLindvall <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 21: </td> <td> Line 21: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Senior Minister Reverend P. 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G. Mathew makes his sermons available in his [http://www.graceandgloryaudio.org/Feeds/GraceandGlory.xml "Grace and Glory" podcast] and puts his [http://www.gracevalley.org/sermon_transcripts.html transcripts on the web site].</span> </td> <td> <span>+ Senior Minister Reverend P. G. Mathew</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 26: </td> <td> Line 26: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + Senior Minister Reverend P. G. Mathew makes his sermons available in his [http://www.graceandgloryaudio.org/Feeds/GraceandGlory.xml "Grace and Glory" podcast] and puts his [http://www.gracevalley.org/sermon_transcripts.html transcripts on the web site].</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 46: </td> <td> Line 48: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2007-10-03 12:51:05'' [[nbsp]] On the surface Grace Valley is a wonderful place: close-knit community, good teaching, many wonderful activities for families and singles. <span>The "fly in the ointment"</span> is the leadership's adherence to an abusive form of [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm control] which ultimately robs individuals of their liberty in Christ. --["Users/RichLindvall"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2007-10-03 12:51:05'' [[nbsp]] On the surface Grace Valley is a wonderful place: close-knit community, good teaching, many wonderful activities for families and singles. <span>What spoils it</span> is the leadership's adherence to an abusive form of [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm control] which ultimately robs individuals of their liberty in Christ. --["Users/RichLindvall"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-10-24 08:27:03RichLindvallquick edit <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 23: </td> <td> Line 23: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Senior Associate Minister ["Gerrit Buddingh<span>"</span>] </td> <td> <span>+</span> Senior Associate Minister ["<span>Users/GerritBuddingh" </span>Gerrit Buddingh] </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-10-24 07:50:08RichLindvalladded photo links as well as link to separate page: grace valley christian acad <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p>No differences found!</div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-10-24 07:46:01RichLindvalladded photo links as well as link to separate page: grace valley christian acad <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> They also have an active campus ministry program known as ["Grace Alive"]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> They also have an active campus ministry program known as ["Grace Alive"]<span>&nbsp;as well as a school called ["Grace Valley Christian Academy"]</span>. </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 20: </td> <td> Line 20: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 22: </td> <td> Line 22: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg<br> + Senior Associate Minister ["Gerrit Buddingh"]<br> + http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg<br> + Elder Daniel Washabaugh</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-10-03 11:51:05RichLindvallComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 41: </td> <td> Line 41: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-10-03 12:51:05'' [[nbsp]] On the surface Grace Valley is a wonderful place: close-knit community, good teaching, many wonderful activities for families and singles. The "fly in the ointment" is the leadership's adherence to an abusive form of [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm control] which ultimately robs individuals of their liberty in Christ. --["Users/RichLindvall"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-09-22 19:22:28RichLindvall <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 40: </td> <td> Line 40: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2007-07-17 08:55:30'' [[nbsp]] Be advised: The leadership at GVCC exercises a<span>&nbsp;high </span>l<span>evel of</span> control over many of the people there. --["Users/RichLindvall"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2007-07-17 08:55:30'' [[nbsp]] Be advised: The leadership at GVCC exercises <span>tot</span>al control over many of the people there. --["Users/RichLindvall"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-07-17 07:55:30RichLindvallComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 39: </td> <td> Line 39: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-07-17 08:55:30'' [[nbsp]] Be advised: The leadership at GVCC exercises a high level of control over many of the people there. --["Users/RichLindvall"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-07-16 11:55:37KarlMogelhmmm <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 25: </td> <td> Line 25: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> GVCC invites speakers such as [wiki:WikiPedia:William_A._Dembski William Dembski] (2004), [wiki:WikiPedia:Michael_Behe Michael Behe] (2005), or [wiki:WikiPedia:Phillip_E._Johnson Phillip E. Johnson] (2006), who then give two lectures on Intelligent Design, one on campus and one at the church. The student club affiliate of GVCC, Grace Alive, hosts the first lecture on a Friday night, usually in ["Chem 194"]. The Friday night speech is generally devoid of overt religious content (although the lectures begin with prayer). Then on the following Saturday morning they give the second lecture at the church, which includes religious content. The lectures are about an hour or so long, and are followed by a period for questions lasting about ten minutes. </td> <td> <span>+</span> GVCC invites speakers such as [wiki:WikiPedia:William_A._Dembski William Dembski] (2004), [wiki:WikiPedia:Michael_Behe Michael Behe] (2005), or [wiki:WikiPedia:Phillip_E._Johnson Phillip E. Johnson] (2006)<span>&nbsp;([http://www.inoculatedmind.com/?p=147 interview])</span>, who then give two lectures on Intelligent Design, one on campus and one at the church. The student club affiliate of GVCC, Grace Alive, hosts the first lecture on a Friday night, usually in ["Chem 194"]. The Friday night speech is generally devoid of overt religious content (although the lectures begin with prayer). Then on the following Saturday morning they give the second lecture at the church, which includes religious content. The lectures are about an hour or so long, and are followed by a period for questions lasting about ten minutes. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-07-16 00:23:06JasonAllerRevert to version 136 (Easier to revert the whole set of edits than to try to sort out). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 27: </td> <td> Line 27: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ For more information on Intelligent Design, please visit [wiki:WikiPedia:Intelligent_Design the Wikipedia page].</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 32: </td> <td> Line 32: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- [[Comments]]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + ''For discussion about the content of this page, please see ["/Talk" the talk page].'' [[Comments]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-07-15 23:34:27SteveOstrowski <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 27: </td> <td> Line 27: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- For more information on Intelligent Design, please visit [wiki:WikiPedia:Intelligent_Design the Wikipedia page].</span> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 32: </td> <td> Line 32: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- -----<br> - ''For discussion about the content of this page, please see ["/Talk" the talk page].'' [[Comments]]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ [[Comments]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-04-23 07:02:07DavidGrundlerMap location(s) modifiedhttp://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-04-23 07:02:07DavidGrundlermap location <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 4: </td> <td> Line 4: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ||27173 ["County Road 98"]|| </td> <td> <span>+</span> ||<span>[[Address(</span>27173 ["County Road 98"]<span>)]]</span>|| </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-04-23 06:50:39DavidPooleMoving comment to allegations? <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 37: </td> <td> Line 37: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2006-12-03 22:02:54'' [[nbsp]] I know a number of individuals and families who have left this church and identify it as a legitimate cult. A pastor who kept files on all the members of the congregation and people who "shun" one another if they leave the church? Um, run!! --["SoCalGal"]<br> - ------</span> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-03-31 21:41:29JasonAllerRevert to version 131 (Restoring content, as removal broke links). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - GVCC is a close-knit community.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ = Experiences and Controversy =<br> + GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the alleged aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Allegations" Allegations].</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-03-31 21:35:56HenryTilney <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- = Experiences and Controversy =<br> - GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + GVCC is a close-knit community.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-03-31 21:35:05HenryTilney <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 30: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the alleged aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Allegations" Allegations].</span> </td> <td> <span>+ GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-03-01 23:08:33StevenDaubertComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 38: </td> <td> Line 38: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-03-01 23:08:33'' [[nbsp]] I painted the day care center in Grace Valley. It was a good job. --["StevenDaubert"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2007-02-10 02:03:18BrentLaabs+link <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 5: </td> <td> Line 5: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ||(On the edge of campus property)|| </td> <td> <span>+</span> ||(On the edge of <span>["</span>campus<span>"]</span> property)|| </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2006-12-03 23:07:22MaxMikalonisupdated for 2006 <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 25: </td> <td> Line 25: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> GVCC invites speakers such as [wiki:WikiPedia:William_A._Dembski William Dembski] (2004)<span>&nbsp;or</span> [wiki:WikiPedia:Michael_Behe Michael Behe] (2005), who then give two lectures on Intelligent Design, one on campus and one at the church. The student club affiliate of GVCC, Grace Alive, hosts the first lecture on a Friday night, usually in ["Chem 194"]. The Friday night speech is generally devoid of overt religious content (although the lectures begin with prayer). Then on the following Saturday morning they give the second lecture at the church, which includes religious content. The lectures are about an hour or so long, and are followed by a period for questions lasting about ten minutes. </td> <td> <span>+</span> GVCC invites speakers such as [wiki:WikiPedia:William_A._Dembski William Dembski] (2004)<span>,</span> [wiki:WikiPedia:Michael_Behe Michael Behe] (2005), <span>or [wiki:WikiPedia:Phillip_E._Johnson Phillip E. Johnson] (2006), </span>who then give two lectures on Intelligent Design, one on campus and one at the church. The student club affiliate of GVCC, Grace Alive, hosts the first lecture on a Friday night, usually in ["Chem 194"]. The Friday night speech is generally devoid of overt religious content (although the lectures begin with prayer). Then on the following Saturday morning they give the second lecture at the church, which includes religious content. The lectures are about an hour or so long, and are followed by a period for questions lasting about ten minutes. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2006-12-03 22:02:54SoCalGalComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 36: </td> <td> Line 36: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2006-12-03 22:02:54'' [[nbsp]] I know a number of individuals and families who have left this church and identify it as a legitimate cult. A pastor who kept files on all the members of the congregation and people who "shun" one another if they leave the church? Um, run!! --["SoCalGal"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2006-08-11 18:53:20JasonAllerimage for until someone gets a shot of it from the front <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ [[Image(Grace_Valley_from_afar.JPG, right, thumbnail, 400)]]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2006-08-11 18:52:36JasonAllerUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center?action=Files&do=view&target=Grace_Valley_from_afar.JPG">Grace_Valley_from_afar.JPG</a>.http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-12-22 13:21:31ArlenAbrahamcircumventing redirect <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 28: </td> <td> Line 28: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the alleged aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/A<span>berr</span>ations" A<span>berr</span>ations]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the alleged aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/A<span>lleg</span>ations" A<span>lleg</span>ations]. </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 31: </td> <td> Line 31: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''For discussion about the content of this page, please see ["/Talk" the talk page].''<span><br> -</span> [[Comments]] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''For discussion about the content of this page, please see ["/Talk" the talk page].'' [[Comments]] </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-12-09 16:28:27PhilipNeustromlinked /Talk <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 30: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + ''For discussion about the content of this page, please see ["/Talk" the talk page].''</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 31: </td> <td> Line 33: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------</span> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-12-09 16:22:40JasonAller <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 15: </td> <td> Line 15: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- To visit their college ministry please see [http://www.gracealive.net].<br> - </span> </td> <td> <span>+ They also have an active campus ministry program known as ["Grace Alive"].</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-12-09 11:08:56DomenicSantangeloRevert to version dated 2005-12-05 17:43:45. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> GVCC is a close-knit community, but there are <span>a few</span> allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the alleged aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/A<span>lleg</span>ations" A<span>lleg</span>ations]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> GVCC is <span>surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is </span>a close-knit community, but there are <span>some</span> allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the alleged aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/A<span>berr</span>ations" A<span>berr</span>ations]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-12-09 10:57:10RichardSpencer <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> GVCC is a close-knit community, but there are <span>some</span> allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the alleged aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Allegations" Allegations]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> GVCC is a close-knit community, but there are <span>a few</span> allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the alleged aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Allegations" Allegations]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-12-09 10:56:27RichardSpencerIt is simply not accurate to say GVCC is "surrounded" by controversy. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> GVCC<span>&nbsp;is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It</span> is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the alleged aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Allegations" Allegations]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> GVCC is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the alleged aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Allegations" Allegations]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-12-09 10:55:29RichardSpencerTo call this page Aberrations implies that it is fact. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the alleged aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/A<span>berr</span>ations" A<span>berr</span>ations]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the alleged aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/A<span>lleg</span>ations" A<span>lleg</span>ations]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-12-05 17:43:45KaiTingpage is not called "alleged abberations" <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the alleged aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Aberrations" A<span>lleged A</span>berrations]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the alleged aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Aberrations" Aberrations]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-12-05 15:20:10GregPerry <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Aberrations" Aberrations]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the a<span>lleged a</span>berrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Aberrations" A<span>lleged A</span>berrations]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-12-01 22:41:53MichaelGiardinaComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 32: </td> <td> Line 32: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2005-12-01 23:41:53'' [[nbsp]] Is the pastor of Grace Valley Christian Center the ASUCD student coordinator for blood drives? --["MichaelGiardina"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-12-01 22:41:20MichaelGiardina <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 30: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + [[Comments]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-12-01 12:52:29ArlenAbrahamrm evolution link (page dead) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 18: </td> <td> Line 18: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> =Activities= </td> <td> <span>+</span> =<span>&nbsp;</span>Activities<span>&nbsp;</span>= </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 26: </td> <td> Line 26: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> For more information on Intelligent Design, please visit [wiki:WikiPedia:Intelligent_Design the Wikipedia page].<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;Although the Wiki format is very poor at debate and the subject has nothing to do with Davis, people who insist that they must speak can do so at ["Evolution Debate"].</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> For more information on Intelligent Design, please visit [wiki:WikiPedia:Intelligent_Design the Wikipedia page]. </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 28: </td> <td> Line 28: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> =Experiences and Controversy= </td> <td> <span>+</span> =<span>&nbsp;</span>Experiences and Controversy<span>&nbsp;</span>= </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-12-01 07:00:48JabberWokkyDescriptions after menu... check every restaurant for the format. ;) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- =Experiences and Controversy=<br> - GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Aberrations" Aberrations].<br> - </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 30: </td> <td> Line 27: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + =Experiences and Controversy=<br> + GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Aberrations" Aberrations].</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-11-30 21:36:28ChristianDemetriusReformatted for balance and full disclosure. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ =Experiences and Controversy=<br> + GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Aberrations" Aberrations].<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 27: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - =Experiences and Controversy=<br> - GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the aberrations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Aberrations" Aberrations].</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-11-30 16:43:26ArlenAbrahamwikiwiki <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 13: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''Our congregation is committed to the Lord Jesus Christ and to the inerrancy and the infallibility of the Holy Scriptures. We are a body committed to living out the call that God has placed upon our lives to be his holy people. As those who have been called out of this world into God's kingdom, we are being built into a community that loves one another and practices God's word. We are regularly encouraged by the rich biblical teaching we receive and by the life we experience here. We believe in the "solas" of the Reformed tradition (<span>sola gratia</span>, <span>sola fide</span>, solo Christo, and sola Scriptura) and are in fellowship with Christian Brethren assemblies throughout the world.'' </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''Our congregation is committed to the Lord Jesus Christ and to the inerrancy and the infallibility of the Holy Scriptures. We are a body committed to living out the call that God has placed upon our lives to be his holy people. As those who have been called out of this world into God's kingdom, we are being built into a community that loves one another and practices God's word. We are regularly encouraged by the rich biblical teaching we receive and by the life we experience here. We believe in the "solas" of the Reformed tradition (<span>[wiki:WikiPedia:Sola_gratia sola gratia]</span>, <span>[wiki:WikiPedia:Sola_fide sola fide]</span>, solo Christo, and sola Scriptura) and are in fellowship with Christian Brethren assemblies throughout the world.'' </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-11-30 16:39:21KarlMogelturns out they all began with prayer - I've just missed most of the beginnings. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 24: </td> <td> Line 24: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> GVCC invites speakers such as [wiki:WikiPedia:William_A._Dembski William Dembski] (2004) or [wiki:WikiPedia:Michael_Behe Michael Behe] (2005), who then give two lectures on Intelligent Design, one on campus and one at the church. The student club affiliate of GVCC, Grace Alive, hosts the first lecture on a Friday night, usually in ["Chem 194"]. The Friday night speech is generally devoid of overt religious content (<span>recently the lectures have</span> beg<span>u</span>n with prayer<span>s</span>). Then on the following Saturday morning they give the second lecture at the church, which includes religious content. The lectures are about an hour or so long, and are followed by a period for questions lasting about ten minutes. </td> <td> <span>+</span> GVCC invites speakers such as [wiki:WikiPedia:William_A._Dembski William Dembski] (2004) or [wiki:WikiPedia:Michael_Behe Michael Behe] (2005), who then give two lectures on Intelligent Design, one on campus and one at the church. The student club affiliate of GVCC, Grace Alive, hosts the first lecture on a Friday night, usually in ["Chem 194"]. The Friday night speech is generally devoid of overt religious content (<span>although the lectures</span> beg<span>i</span>n with prayer). Then on the following Saturday morning they give the second lecture at the church, which includes religious content. The lectures are about an hour or so long, and are followed by a period for questions lasting about ten minutes. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-11-30 16:37:07KaiTingSpelling <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the aberations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Aberrations" Aberrations]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the aber<span>r</span>ations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Aberrations" Aberrations]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-11-30 16:20:49PhilipNeustrom <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the aberations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Aberations" Aberations]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the aberations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["/Aber<span>r</span>ations" Abe<span>r</span>rations]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-11-30 16:20:24PhilipNeustromminor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["<span>Grace Valley Christian Center</span>/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the aberations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["<span>GVCC </span>Aberations"]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. For a detailed description of the aberations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["<span>/</span>Aberations"<span>&nbsp;Aberations</span>]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-11-30 15:25:54TheoPaaske <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. </td> <td> <span>+</span> GVCC is surrounded by controversy and a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information.<span>&nbsp;For a detailed description of the aberations at Grace Valley Christian Center, see ["GVCC Aberations"].</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-11-30 14:33:05JabberWokkyAnswered query. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 26: </td> <td> Line 26: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> For more information on Intelligent Design, please visit [wiki:WikiPedia:Intelligent_Design the Wikipedia page]. <span>D</span>ebate <span>over evolution of various flavors versus </span>c<span>reationism of various flavors is b</span>ey<span>ond the s</span>c<span>ope of this Wiki. Though apparently we're doing it anyway (and why not?)</span> at ["Evolution Debate"]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> For more information on Intelligent Design, please visit [wiki:WikiPedia:Intelligent_Design the Wikipedia page]. <span>Although the Wiki format is very poor at d</span>ebate <span>and the subje</span>c<span>t has nothing to do with Davis, people who insist that th</span>ey<span>&nbsp;must speak </span>c<span>an do so</span> at ["Evolution Debate"]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-11-30 14:15:45BobSmorelights <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 26: </td> <td> Line 26: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> For more information on Intelligent Design, please visit [wiki:WikiPedia:Intelligent_Design the Wikipedia page]. Debate over evolution of various flavors versus creationism of various flavors is beyond the scope of this Wiki. Though apparently we're doing it anyway at ["Evolution Debate"]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> For more information on Intelligent Design, please visit [wiki:WikiPedia:Intelligent_Design the Wikipedia page]. Debate over evolution of various flavors versus creationism of various flavors is beyond the scope of this Wiki. Though apparently we're doing it anyway<span>&nbsp;(and why not?)</span> at ["Evolution Debate"]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-11-30 13:48:59CliftonBurton <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> GVCC is surrounded by a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. </td> <td> <span>+</span> GVCC is surrounded by<span>&nbsp;controversy and</span> a wide range of experiences. It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. Go to the ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-11-30 13:47:12BrentLaabs*sigh* okay. Tell them why to go to the other page. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 26: </td> <td> Line 26: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> For more information on Intelligent Design, please visit [wiki:WikiPedia:Intelligent_Design the Wikipedia page]. Debate over evolution of various flavors versus creationism of various flavors is beyond the scope of this Wiki. </td> <td> <span>+</span> For more information on Intelligent Design, please visit [wiki:WikiPedia:Intelligent_Design the Wikipedia page]. Debate over evolution of various flavors versus creationism of various flavors is beyond the scope of this Wiki.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;Though apparently we're doing it anyway at ["Evolution Debate"].</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> GVCC is surrounded by a wide range of experiences. Go to the ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. </td> <td> <span>+</span> GVCC is surrounded by a wide range of experiences.<span>&nbsp;It is a close-knit community, but there are some allegations of emotional and spiritual abuse. </span> Go to the ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-11-30 13:35:15DomenicSantangeloMoved controversy (again), added link <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 28: </td> <td> Line 28: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - =Positive Stories=<br> - <br> - For the record, I originally placed Grace Valley Christian Center (GVCC) on this website to inform students of Davis that there was a bible centered church in this town. I came to Davis in 2000, where I knew nothing about religion, faith, sin or God. My life was centered around myself, my studies and anything else that caught my eye. In Spring of 02' I attended Grace Valley, and my life radically changed. I realized I was a sinner, that Jesus Christ died for my sins, and that I needed to lead a holy life in order to glorify God. I went from being a punk-rock, self-centered independent opinionated woman, to a woman who seeks to glorify God every step she takes. When I found out how this site was being used to slander my church, I was horrified and I sought to delete everything that would keep people from attending. Grace Valley is '''NOT''' a cult. Webster's Dictionary defines cult as, "A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader." Since my faith is Christianity, which believes the bible as the inerrent total truth of God, then I suppose if you believe the bible to be "extremist or false" and God to be "an authoritarian, charismatic leader", then I suppose you are justified. Grace Valley is filled with some of the most Godly people I have ever met. People that have invited me into their lives to be apart of their family in a moment's notice. They are not full of lip service, they are '''REAL CHRISTIANS''' as in they practice what they preach. They are real people, who realized their need for Christ, and live their lives in thankful obedience to Him. In this day and age I can understand why 200+ happily married families, with obedient children that say please and thank you may weird some people out. I can even understand why some of you may think it productive to say hateful things on this page, even Jesus says "If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first." John 15:18 It is promised that those will come to tear down the good work of God, they have come, and they always will come, but I stand here in belief that "Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man." Luke 6:22 I am eternally thankful for Grace Valley, its leaders, its members and the total truth of God that it stands for and proclaims. - ["EricaChaffin"]<br> - <br> - * Erica, I appreciate your zeal for God, and your offense at people criticizing your church. But, if its false, nothing will come of it, and you have nothing to fear... Grace Valley may not be a cult in every sense of the word, but the leader of the church certainly fits your description of a cult leader: "an authoritarian charismatic leader", who not only guides but controls and manipulates the church members through fear and intimidation. Don't fall into the trap of taking all criticism of your church as an attack against you, for your faith in God. It is not "because of the Son of Man", that these criticisms come, but because of the unbiblical practices of the leaders at Grace Valley. If the day ever comes that you decide to go to another church, their reaction will make everything become very clear to you. ["CliftonBurton"] <br> - <br> - * Clifton - how is this a positive story regarding Grace Valley?<br> - <br> - I have been a member of Grace Valley Christian Center since becoming a Christian twelve years ago. The dialogue below about GVCC being a cult or spiritually abusive may make for interesting reading, but the claims are both misguided and unfounded. As one who has carefully studied both Christian theology and church history (I have a Master’s degree in Religion), I can attest to the fact that GVCC is biblically sound in both its doctrine and its practice. This does not mean that everybody will appreciate it (as evidenced below). The message of the Bible and its authoritative claims are often offensive to people. GVCC’s mission is to clearly and fearlessly declare the message of salvation through Christ to a world that is “without hope and without God.” Standing for truth in a postmodern age is sure elicit the animosity of many.-- ["GregPerry"]<br> - <br> - * Greg, neither "the message of the Bible" nor "its authoritative claims" are the issue in question. You will encounter two main negative views on this page, the first from those who would have a problem with '''any''' stereotypically Protestant church, and those who have a problem with GVCC specifically. I do not believe it to be a leap in logic to say that some of those who attend, for example, First Baptist would have a problem with the behaviour claimed in the ''negative stories'' section below -- does that make them unbelievers? Think carefully before answering; your response will shed a lot of light on the interests and beliefs of GVCC. --["DomenicSantangelo"]<br> - <br> - * Domenic - how is this a positive story regarding Grace Valley?<br> - <br> - =Negative Stories=<br> - <br> - ''There are people who consider Grace Valley to be a ["cults" cult]. Please keep in mind that the following opinions are both valid (i.e., honestly held) and not universal:''<br> - <br> - CAUTION! Grace Valley Christian Center (GVCC) is an abusive, authoritarian personality cult masquerading as an orthodox church. It presents itself as being committed to the Lord Jesus Christ, to the inerrancy of Scripture, and to the Reformed tradition. However, GVCC holds to many unbiblical practices for which it refuses to repent. For example, the pastor is considered a "prophet" worthy of extraordinary deference, service, and one who cannot be questioned lest you be labeled "rebellious" or a "hater of authority"; the leadership "lords it over the flock" by intruding into matters where Christians have liberty such as which car to buy, what person to date/marry, which job to take, etc.; members are sometimes publicly ridiculed; confidential files are kept on members; conformity with the rules are enforced through fear, shame, and public humiliation; many believers have been spiritually and emotionally abused in "counseling" and from the pulpit; believers who sign membership agreements are later told it is "the equivalent to a marriage covenant" and is considered to be life-long, unless asked to leave by the pastor; those who leave without the pastors' approval are shunned (think Jehoveh Witnesses) by all church members, even by members of their own families. The leaders often slander those who leave and the victims are unable to defend themselves or tell the real story. The leaders have been confronted in person, by letter, and by phone, and called on to repent of these unbiblical practices and sins but have refused to repent. In fact, those so bold as to bring these matters to their attention are vilified as "agents of Satan". The pastors of the healthy evangelical churches in the area can attest to the damage done to wounded believers who now attend their churches. Despite the church's efforts to promote its image, don't be deceived. GVCC is not a healthy Christian fellowship - GVCC is a place where Christ's sheep are beaten. For more information on these kinds of authoritarian and abusive churches, see the following link: http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/abuse-ch.html --["JoyfulPilgrim"]<br> - <br> - * I have heard the same. My mother who is religious warned me to stay away from them when I moved to Davis years ago... I'll see if I can dig up some evidence rather than hearsay about it. I'm not interested in libel -- if the analysis is correct, let's get some proof (or at least first-hand accounts) up here; if we can't, let's kill the negativity. --["DomenicSantangelo"]<br> - <br> - * Hey, I used to go to Grace Valley and saw some pretty weird stuff. I saw people get humiliated and treated really badly. I also know from personal experience that once you're a member and decide to leave you will get shunned by pretty much all the people. I think JoyfulPilgrims' description is pretty accurate.--- ChristianDemetrius<br> - <br> - * I went to GVCC for almost two years. I don't particularly know what's appropriate on wiki, but I agree with JoyfulPilgrim's comments. I left the church for many of the same reasons. I wrote the elders a letter stating my concerns and why I was leaving. After they received my letter, I agreed to meet with the pastors. They didn't directly address my concerns, but instead focused on how sinful and inadequate a person I was to have such concerns. The pastor told me that I'm not exactly the brightest person to hold such convictions (since otherwise I would be attending Stanford or somewhere other than UC Davis). The parenthetical bit is as close to verbatim as I can get without a tape recorder. After that, I lost all of the friends I had made at GVCC. They refused to speak with me unless I repented. Twas a pretty bitter experience that I'd rather not hash up. --["TheoPaaske"]<br> - <br> - * Brighter equaling somewhere other than Davis?.. Jesus Christ, these people certainly ''are'' confused. --["JosephBleckman"]<br> - <br> - I, JoyfulPilgrim, would like to say that the "CAUTION!" description below is a result of my own "testimony" - my eyewitness account. [Remainder of comment was deleted by JoyfulPilgrim.]<br> - <br> - I too have left this church in Davis because it has evolved to become a closed knit group of radical people who truly believe they are the only true Church in the city, county, and region. Their leadership is very authoritarian, orthodox and isolated from any authentic over sight from other presbyteries or bishops. Recently, some families have left and have been excommunicated, shunned by members, and despite many years of faithful service, malicious and slanderous information have been, and are continuing to be, communicated about them. There is a long list of other individuals, who have left the church over the years because they did not agree with the isolationism, the authoritarianism, the spiritual elitism, and the harsh treatment in counseling, just to name a few issues. They also were personally castigated, publicly vilified and maligned, and ostracized when they left. The most interesting experience for me has been the conversations I have had with teachers, coaches and Pastors I have known for many years in our region. They have ALL expressed great joy and relief to me for “getting out” of that terrible church. I have felt like NEO in the Matrix. Does everyone in Davis know about the extensive aberrations of GVCC and yet nobody has ever communicated these issues to the community at large or to the University? How can this be true? Should there be an official warning sent to students at UC where heavy recruiting of disciples takes place every Fall? The 5 or 6 lawyers on the church staff are lay ministers and perform legal work on behalf of the fellowship pro bono. I truly have fears of a lawsuit if I write an open letter to the editor concerning the issues I have brought up here. I hope the information shared here is helpful in warning the people and students of Davis about this organizations hyper orthodox position and the dangers they present to the authentic Christian community. Brett Feld<br> - * I wouldn't worry about a lawsuit. The only charge they could bring is libel, which in order to stick they would need to prove that what you said was false. - ["KenjiYamada"] (''And prove you wrote the things attributed to you.'')<br> - <br> - <br> - GVCC borders on being a cult, but actually is more accurately defined as a "spiritually abusive" church. It fits the classic definition of one. There are numerous websites available about this type of church.<br> - <br> - Having attended GVCC for a number of years, I can also attest to what goes on there. Joyful Pilgrim describes it perfectly. LightHouse<br> - <br> - I first started going to GVCC and Grace Alive my freshman year '00 at UCD. After reading the statement of faith and meeting some of the members I was drawn in by the love that was shown. With a multitude of experiences and questions later, I decided to leave GVCC. This decision was made after displays of authoritarianism, group-think and shunning for unbiblical purposes was displayed. Although these people had been like family to me, I could not support the unbiblical practices being displayed. I personally witnessed on more than one account youth and adults being publicly ridiculed during a church service, and others being reprimanded for not reading the church's specific bible reading plan. After sending a vague email saying that I would no longer be attending GVCC I was shunned (in a lighter sense of the word). I received emails and letters asking that I not have contact with certain people because I was an ungodly influence. GVCC members and their children are steered away from "the shunned" in public places like the grocery store and the Farmer's Market, not to mention UCD classes. GVCC is not building up the body of Christ, it is tearing it apart. For this very reason after having gone to GVCC for 1 1/2 years I can say with FULL confidence that I would not recommend my enemy, let alone my friend to attend there. God is so much bigger than what is displayed as Christian love there. The Davis community needs to take action, GVCC's effect is much larger than my story. ~MichelleBasich<br> - <br> - =Protests=<br> - <br> - * After reading that (''a comment deleted by author, -- jw''), I am seriously concerned about what is taking place in Davis. I propose that we forward this to ["Judy Sakaki"], since some of this activity takes place on campus. The UCD Administration should be able to determine if further action is needed or not. This has grown beyond the scope of the wiki, and I hope that those who are anonymous will be willing to speak out. --["BrentLaabs"]<br> - * I concur that abuses should be forwarded to an official, particularly that if GVCC is technically on UCD land, the university could be held liable. - ["KarlMogel" KJM]<br> - * It may or may not be on university land, but Grace Alive is a ["SPAC"] registered organization. So it definitely affects the University.<br> - * There could very well be a hole in University Property where the church/academy are. When I said the chruch was on University property, I made that judgement based on the address. While the church may not be on university property, Grace Alive could be in some trouble. However, nothing will come of this unless people are willing to step forward. One has to remeber that we have the freedom of religion in this country. Where do you draw the line and tell someone that the way in which they practice their faith is wrong? - ["ArlenAbraham" arlen]<br> - * With the flurry of recent updates I think it would prove useful to wait a tad longer, to see if we can get anyone else to collaborate with testimony against the cult, but then it should definitely be brought to the University's attention. Some form of contact information for those who've experienced these things at GVCC would probably be helpful at that point, even if for the sake of anonymity freshly registered yahoo mail accounts are used. I say this, since I'm assuming whomever at the University might investigate these claims would wish to hear them firsthand, rather than secondhand. -- ["JosephBleckman"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ =Experiences and Controversy=<br> + GVCC is surrounded by a wide range of experiences. Go to the ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Experiences" Experiences page] for more information.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-11-30 11:23:34JabberWokkyTrying to deflame and untroll. Reformat. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 35: </td> <td> Line 35: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Clifton - how is this a positive story regarding Grace Valley?<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 38: </td> <td> Line 40: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + * Domenic - how is this a positive story regarding Grace Valley?</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 55: </td> <td> Line 59: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * After reading that, I am seriously concerned about what is taking place in Davis. I propose that we forward this to ["Judy Sakaki"], since some of this activity takes place on campus. The UCD Administration should be able to determine if further action is needed or not. This has grown beyond the scope of the wiki, and I hope that those who are anonymous will be willing to speak out. --["BrentLaabs"]<br> - * I concur that abuses should be forwarded to an official, particularly that if GVCC is technically on UCD land, the university could be held liable. - ["KarlMogel" KJM]<br> - * It may or may not be on university land, but Grace Alive is a ["SPAC"] registered organization. So it definitely affects the University.<br> - * There could very well be a hole in University Property where the church/academy are. When I said the chruch was on University property, I made that judgement based on the address. While the church may not be on university property, Grace Alive could be in some trouble. However, nothing will come of this unless people are willing to step forward. One has to remeber that we have the freedom of religion in this country. Where do you draw the line and tell someone that the way in which they practice their faith is wrong? - ["ArlenAbraham" arlen]<br> - * With the flurry of recent updates I think it would prove useful to wait a tad longer, to see if we can get anyone else to collaborate with testimony against the cult, but then it should definitely be brought to the University's attention. Some form of contact information for those who've experienced these things at GVCC would probably be helpful at that point, even if for the sake of anonymity freshly registered yahoo mail accounts are used. I say this, since I'm assuming whomever at the University might investigate these claims would wish to hear them firsthand, rather than secondhand. -- ["JosephBleckman"]<br> - </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 70: </td> <td> Line 68: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + =Protests=<br> + <br> + * After reading that (''a comment deleted by author, -- jw''), I am seriously concerned about what is taking place in Davis. I propose that we forward this to ["Judy Sakaki"], since some of this activity takes place on campus. The UCD Administration should be able to determine if further action is needed or not. This has grown beyond the scope of the wiki, and I hope that those who are anonymous will be willing to speak out. --["BrentLaabs"]<br> + * I concur that abuses should be forwarded to an official, particularly that if GVCC is technically on UCD land, the university could be held liable. - ["KarlMogel" KJM]<br> + * It may or may not be on university land, but Grace Alive is a ["SPAC"] registered organization. So it definitely affects the University.<br> + * There could very well be a hole in University Property where the church/academy are. When I said the chruch was on University property, I made that judgement based on the address. While the church may not be on university property, Grace Alive could be in some trouble. However, nothing will come of this unless people are willing to step forward. One has to remeber that we have the freedom of religion in this country. Where do you draw the line and tell someone that the way in which they practice their faith is wrong? - ["ArlenAbraham" arlen]<br> + * With the flurry of recent updates I think it would prove useful to wait a tad longer, to see if we can get anyone else to collaborate with testimony against the cult, but then it should definitely be brought to the University's attention. Some form of contact information for those who've experienced these things at GVCC would probably be helpful at that point, even if for the sake of anonymity freshly registered yahoo mail accounts are used. I say this, since I'm assuming whomever at the University might investigate these claims would wish to hear them firsthand, rather than secondhand. -- ["JosephBleckman"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-11-30 11:14:57MichelleBasich <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 69: </td> <td> Line 69: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ I first started going to GVCC and Grace Alive my freshman year '00 at UCD. After reading the statement of faith and meeting some of the members I was drawn in by the love that was shown. With a multitude of experiences and questions later, I decided to leave GVCC. This decision was made after displays of authoritarianism, group-think and shunning for unbiblical purposes was displayed. Although these people had been like family to me, I could not support the unbiblical practices being displayed. I personally witnessed on more than one account youth and adults being publicly ridiculed during a church service, and others being reprimanded for not reading the church's specific bible reading plan. After sending a vague email saying that I would no longer be attending GVCC I was shunned (in a lighter sense of the word). I received emails and letters asking that I not have contact with certain people because I was an ungodly influence. GVCC members and their children are steered away from "the shunned" in public places like the grocery store and the Farmer's Market, not to mention UCD classes. GVCC is not building up the body of Christ, it is tearing it apart. For this very reason after having gone to GVCC for 1 1/2 years I can say with FULL confidence that I would not recommend my enemy, let alone my friend to attend there. God is so much bigger than what is displayed as Christian love there. The Davis community needs to take action, GVCC's effect is much larger than my story. ~MichelleBasich</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-11-30 10:40:47CliftonBurton <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 33: </td> <td> Line 33: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * Erica, I appreciate your zeal for God, and your offense at people criticizing your church. But, if its false, nothing will come of it, and you have nothing to fear... Grace Valley may not be a cult in every sense of the word, but the leader of the church certainly fits your description of a cult leader: "an authoritarian charismatic leader", who not only guides but controls and manipulates the church members through fear and intimidation. Don't fall into the trap of taking all criticism of your church as an attack against you, for your faith in God. It is not "because of the Son of Man", that these criticisms come, but because of the unbiblical practices of the leaders at Grace Valley. </td> <td> <span>+</span> * Erica, I appreciate your zeal for God, and your offense at people criticizing your church. But, if its false, nothing will come of it, and you have nothing to fear... Grace Valley may not be a cult in every sense of the word, but the leader of the church certainly fits your description of a cult leader: "an authoritarian charismatic leader", who not only guides but controls and manipulates the church members through fear and intimidation. Don't fall into the trap of taking all criticism of your church as an attack against you, for your faith in God. It is not "because of the Son of Man", that these criticisms come, but because of the unbiblical practices of the leaders at Grace Valley.<span>&nbsp;If the day ever comes that you decide to go to another church, their reaction will make everything become very clear to you. ["CliftonBurton"] </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-11-30 10:18:23JabberWokky...except this thread... (moved) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 61: </td> <td> Line 61: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * I heard from a former fellow employee in a UCD lab that GVCC holds deep anti-scientific sentiments. Note that their "Faith and Reason" series has included only anti-evolutionists, and not any religious people who support evolution. If they had both kinds of speakers it would be a showcase for faith and reason, for example [wiki:WikiPedia:Kenneth_R._Miller Kenneth Miller] of Brown University would be a great speaker for them to have, him being a devout catholic and a prominent biologist. Thus it is my opinion that GVCC's series is of anti-scientific intent.<br> - -["KarlMogel"]<br> - * "Creationists" is the appropriate term. Not all Creationists are anti-evolution. In fact, the Catholic Church has said that the views of creation and evolution are [http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:RAWabtFRu1EJ:cjonline.com/stories/051605/opi_creationism.shtml&amp;hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a not mutually exclusive]. That said, I need to comment on your flawed logic. By saying that GVCC's series is of anti-scientific intent, you infer that all creationists are anti-scientific. This is simply ignorance speaking. Well, that or rhetoric. --["DomenicSantangelo"]<br> - * No, it's the reverse. I infer that GVCC's lecture series is anti-scientific because of what kinds of creationists they have invited. The middle ground between creation and evolution is known as ''theistic evolution'', which in short, is that evolution is ''gOD's way of creating humans.'' That is the position that Ken Miller holds. (Creation is taken more as a metaphor than a literal act in this reconciliation) You might call him a creationist under the definition you gave, although I would use the word differently. The speakers all come from the [wiki:WikiPedia:Discovery_Institute Discovery Institute], which attacks science itself, (try [http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&amp;display=rednews/2005/11/08/build/nation/20-kansas-evolution.inc Kansas]) by trying to redefine it to suit their beliefs. -["KarlMogel" KJM]<br> - * So what you're saying is that an explicitly pro-evolution stance is required in order to be considered pro-science? In other words, evolution is the definition of science? --["DomenicSantangelo"]<br> - * This thread is no longer (and never really was) about GVCC. This church's stance on evolution/creationism isn't very different from christian churches in general. Although sometimes creationism can be worked together with evolution (ie: they're not mutually exclusive), the vast majority of christian churches are pro-creation and anti-evolution. So the arguments here (although interesting) aren't really about GVCC in particular but more about christian churches in general. I propose that it be removed, but whatever. --Kai<br> - <br> - </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-11-30 10:15:49JabberWokkyRevert to version dated 2005-11-30 09:13:34. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 28: </td> <td> Line 28: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- =Controversy=<br> - A significant amount of controversy surrounds this church. To see what it's all about, or to add your opinion, please visit the ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Talk" Talk page] and help keep this main page neutral.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + =Positive Stories=<br> + <br> + For the record, I originally placed Grace Valley Christian Center (GVCC) on this website to inform students of Davis that there was a bible centered church in this town. I came to Davis in 2000, where I knew nothing about religion, faith, sin or God. My life was centered around myself, my studies and anything else that caught my eye. In Spring of 02' I attended Grace Valley, and my life radically changed. I realized I was a sinner, that Jesus Christ died for my sins, and that I needed to lead a holy life in order to glorify God. I went from being a punk-rock, self-centered independent opinionated woman, to a woman who seeks to glorify God every step she takes. When I found out how this site was being used to slander my church, I was horrified and I sought to delete everything that would keep people from attending. Grace Valley is '''NOT''' a cult. Webster's Dictionary defines cult as, "A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader." Since my faith is Christianity, which believes the bible as the inerrent total truth of God, then I suppose if you believe the bible to be "extremist or false" and God to be "an authoritarian, charismatic leader", then I suppose you are justified. Grace Valley is filled with some of the most Godly people I have ever met. People that have invited me into their lives to be apart of their family in a moment's notice. They are not full of lip service, they are '''REAL CHRISTIANS''' as in they practice what they preach. They are real people, who realized their need for Christ, and live their lives in thankful obedience to Him. In this day and age I can understand why 200+ happily married families, with obedient children that say please and thank you may weird some people out. I can even understand why some of you may think it productive to say hateful things on this page, even Jesus says "If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first." John 15:18 It is promised that those will come to tear down the good work of God, they have come, and they always will come, but I stand here in belief that "Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man." Luke 6:22 I am eternally thankful for Grace Valley, its leaders, its members and the total truth of God that it stands for and proclaims. - ["EricaChaffin"]<br> + <br> + * Erica, I appreciate your zeal for God, and your offense at people criticizing your church. But, if its false, nothing will come of it, and you have nothing to fear... Grace Valley may not be a cult in every sense of the word, but the leader of the church certainly fits your description of a cult leader: "an authoritarian charismatic leader", who not only guides but controls and manipulates the church members through fear and intimidation. Don't fall into the trap of taking all criticism of your church as an attack against you, for your faith in God. It is not "because of the Son of Man", that these criticisms come, but because of the unbiblical practices of the leaders at Grace Valley.<br> + <br> + I have been a member of Grace Valley Christian Center since becoming a Christian twelve years ago. The dialogue below about GVCC being a cult or spiritually abusive may make for interesting reading, but the claims are both misguided and unfounded. As one who has carefully studied both Christian theology and church history (I have a Master’s degree in Religion), I can attest to the fact that GVCC is biblically sound in both its doctrine and its practice. This does not mean that everybody will appreciate it (as evidenced below). The message of the Bible and its authoritative claims are often offensive to people. GVCC’s mission is to clearly and fearlessly declare the message of salvation through Christ to a world that is “without hope and without God.” Standing for truth in a postmodern age is sure elicit the animosity of many.-- ["GregPerry"]<br> + <br> + * Greg, neither "the message of the Bible" nor "its authoritative claims" are the issue in question. You will encounter two main negative views on this page, the first from those who would have a problem with '''any''' stereotypically Protestant church, and those who have a problem with GVCC specifically. I do not believe it to be a leap in logic to say that some of those who attend, for example, First Baptist would have a problem with the behaviour claimed in the ''negative stories'' section below -- does that make them unbelievers? Think carefully before answering; your response will shed a lot of light on the interests and beliefs of GVCC. --["DomenicSantangelo"]<br> + <br> + =Negative Stories=<br> + <br> + ''There are people who consider Grace Valley to be a ["cults" cult]. Please keep in mind that the following opinions are both valid (i.e., honestly held) and not universal:''<br> + <br> + CAUTION! Grace Valley Christian Center (GVCC) is an abusive, authoritarian personality cult masquerading as an orthodox church. It presents itself as being committed to the Lord Jesus Christ, to the inerrancy of Scripture, and to the Reformed tradition. However, GVCC holds to many unbiblical practices for which it refuses to repent. For example, the pastor is considered a "prophet" worthy of extraordinary deference, service, and one who cannot be questioned lest you be labeled "rebellious" or a "hater of authority"; the leadership "lords it over the flock" by intruding into matters where Christians have liberty such as which car to buy, what person to date/marry, which job to take, etc.; members are sometimes publicly ridiculed; confidential files are kept on members; conformity with the rules are enforced through fear, shame, and public humiliation; many believers have been spiritually and emotionally abused in "counseling" and from the pulpit; believers who sign membership agreements are later told it is "the equivalent to a marriage covenant" and is considered to be life-long, unless asked to leave by the pastor; those who leave without the pastors' approval are shunned (think Jehoveh Witnesses) by all church members, even by members of their own families. The leaders often slander those who leave and the victims are unable to defend themselves or tell the real story. The leaders have been confronted in person, by letter, and by phone, and called on to repent of these unbiblical practices and sins but have refused to repent. In fact, those so bold as to bring these matters to their attention are vilified as "agents of Satan". The pastors of the healthy evangelical churches in the area can attest to the damage done to wounded believers who now attend their churches. Despite the church's efforts to promote its image, don't be deceived. GVCC is not a healthy Christian fellowship - GVCC is a place where Christ's sheep are beaten. For more information on these kinds of authoritarian and abusive churches, see the following link: http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/abuse-ch.html --["JoyfulPilgrim"]<br> + <br> + * I have heard the same. My mother who is religious warned me to stay away from them when I moved to Davis years ago... I'll see if I can dig up some evidence rather than hearsay about it. I'm not interested in libel -- if the analysis is correct, let's get some proof (or at least first-hand accounts) up here; if we can't, let's kill the negativity. --["DomenicSantangelo"]<br> + <br> + * Hey, I used to go to Grace Valley and saw some pretty weird stuff. I saw people get humiliated and treated really badly. I also know from personal experience that once you're a member and decide to leave you will get shunned by pretty much all the people. I think JoyfulPilgrims' description is pretty accurate.--- ChristianDemetrius<br> + <br> + * I went to GVCC for almost two years. I don't particularly know what's appropriate on wiki, but I agree with JoyfulPilgrim's comments. I left the church for many of the same reasons. I wrote the elders a letter stating my concerns and why I was leaving. After they received my letter, I agreed to meet with the pastors. They didn't directly address my concerns, but instead focused on how sinful and inadequate a person I was to have such concerns. The pastor told me that I'm not exactly the brightest person to hold such convictions (since otherwise I would be attending Stanford or somewhere other than UC Davis). The parenthetical bit is as close to verbatim as I can get without a tape recorder. After that, I lost all of the friends I had made at GVCC. They refused to speak with me unless I repented. Twas a pretty bitter experience that I'd rather not hash up. --["TheoPaaske"]<br> + <br> + * Brighter equaling somewhere other than Davis?.. Jesus Christ, these people certainly ''are'' confused. --["JosephBleckman"]<br> + <br> + I, JoyfulPilgrim, would like to say that the "CAUTION!" description below is a result of my own "testimony" - my eyewitness account. [Remainder of comment was deleted by JoyfulPilgrim.]<br> + <br> + * After reading that, I am seriously concerned about what is taking place in Davis. I propose that we forward this to ["Judy Sakaki"], since some of this activity takes place on campus. The UCD Administration should be able to determine if further action is needed or not. This has grown beyond the scope of the wiki, and I hope that those who are anonymous will be willing to speak out. --["BrentLaabs"]<br> + * I concur that abuses should be forwarded to an official, particularly that if GVCC is technically on UCD land, the university could be held liable. - ["KarlMogel" KJM]<br> + * It may or may not be on university land, but Grace Alive is a ["SPAC"] registered organization. So it definitely affects the University.<br> + * There could very well be a hole in University Property where the church/academy are. When I said the chruch was on University property, I made that judgement based on the address. While the church may not be on university property, Grace Alive could be in some trouble. However, nothing will come of this unless people are willing to step forward. One has to remeber that we have the freedom of religion in this country. Where do you draw the line and tell someone that the way in which they practice their faith is wrong? - ["ArlenAbraham" arlen]<br> + * With the flurry of recent updates I think it would prove useful to wait a tad longer, to see if we can get anyone else to collaborate with testimony against the cult, but then it should definitely be brought to the University's attention. Some form of contact information for those who've experienced these things at GVCC would probably be helpful at that point, even if for the sake of anonymity freshly registered yahoo mail accounts are used. I say this, since I'm assuming whomever at the University might investigate these claims would wish to hear them firsthand, rather than secondhand. -- ["JosephBleckman"]<br> + <br> + * I heard from a former fellow employee in a UCD lab that GVCC holds deep anti-scientific sentiments. Note that their "Faith and Reason" series has included only anti-evolutionists, and not any religious people who support evolution. If they had both kinds of speakers it would be a showcase for faith and reason, for example [wiki:WikiPedia:Kenneth_R._Miller Kenneth Miller] of Brown University would be a great speaker for them to have, him being a devout catholic and a prominent biologist. Thus it is my opinion that GVCC's series is of anti-scientific intent.<br> + -["KarlMogel"]<br> + * "Creationists" is the appropriate term. Not all Creationists are anti-evolution. In fact, the Catholic Church has said that the views of creation and evolution are [http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:RAWabtFRu1EJ:cjonline.com/stories/051605/opi_creationism.shtml&amp;hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a not mutually exclusive]. That said, I need to comment on your flawed logic. By saying that GVCC's series is of anti-scientific intent, you infer that all creationists are anti-scientific. This is simply ignorance speaking. Well, that or rhetoric. --["DomenicSantangelo"]<br> + * No, it's the reverse. I infer that GVCC's lecture series is anti-scientific because of what kinds of creationists they have invited. The middle ground between creation and evolution is known as ''theistic evolution'', which in short, is that evolution is ''gOD's way of creating humans.'' That is the position that Ken Miller holds. (Creation is taken more as a metaphor than a literal act in this reconciliation) You might call him a creationist under the definition you gave, although I would use the word differently. The speakers all come from the [wiki:WikiPedia:Discovery_Institute Discovery Institute], which attacks science itself, (try [http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&amp;display=rednews/2005/11/08/build/nation/20-kansas-evolution.inc Kansas]) by trying to redefine it to suit their beliefs. -["KarlMogel" KJM]<br> + * So what you're saying is that an explicitly pro-evolution stance is required in order to be considered pro-science? In other words, evolution is the definition of science? --["DomenicSantangelo"]<br> + * This thread is no longer (and never really was) about GVCC. This church's stance on evolution/creationism isn't very different from christian churches in general. Although sometimes creationism can be worked together with evolution (ie: they're not mutually exclusive), the vast majority of christian churches are pro-creation and anti-evolution. So the arguments here (although interesting) aren't really about GVCC in particular but more about christian churches in general. I propose that it be removed, but whatever. --Kai<br> + <br> + <br> + I too have left this church in Davis because it has evolved to become a closed knit group of radical people who truly believe they are the only true Church in the city, county, and region. Their leadership is very authoritarian, orthodox and isolated from any authentic over sight from other presbyteries or bishops. Recently, some families have left and have been excommunicated, shunned by members, and despite many years of faithful service, malicious and slanderous information have been, and are continuing to be, communicated about them. There is a long list of other individuals, who have left the church over the years because they did not agree with the isolationism, the authoritarianism, the spiritual elitism, and the harsh treatment in counseling, just to name a few issues. They also were personally castigated, publicly vilified and maligned, and ostracized when they left. The most interesting experience for me has been the conversations I have had with teachers, coaches and Pastors I have known for many years in our region. They have ALL expressed great joy and relief to me for “getting out” of that terrible church. I have felt like NEO in the Matrix. Does everyone in Davis know about the extensive aberrations of GVCC and yet nobody has ever communicated these issues to the community at large or to the University? How can this be true? Should there be an official warning sent to students at UC where heavy recruiting of disciples takes place every Fall? The 5 or 6 lawyers on the church staff are lay ministers and perform legal work on behalf of the fellowship pro bono. I truly have fears of a lawsuit if I write an open letter to the editor concerning the issues I have brought up here. I hope the information shared here is helpful in warning the people and students of Davis about this organizations hyper orthodox position and the dangers they present to the authentic Christian community. Brett Feld<br> + * I wouldn't worry about a lawsuit. The only charge they could bring is libel, which in order to stick they would need to prove that what you said was false. - ["KenjiYamada"] (''And prove you wrote the things attributed to you.'')<br> + <br> + <br> + GVCC borders on being a cult, but actually is more accurately defined as a "spiritually abusive" church. It fits the classic definition of one. There are numerous websites available about this type of church.<br> + <br> + Having attended GVCC for a number of years, I can also attest to what goes on there. Joyful Pilgrim describes it perfectly. LightHouse<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-11-30 09:46:33DomenicSantangeloMoved controversy to a Talk page, adding link to it here. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 28: </td> <td> Line 28: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - =Positive Stories=<br> - <br> - For the record, I originally placed Grace Valley Christian Center (GVCC) on this website to inform students of Davis that there was a bible centered church in this town. I came to Davis in 2000, where I knew nothing about religion, faith, sin or God. My life was centered around myself, my studies and anything else that caught my eye. In Spring of 02' I attended Grace Valley, and my life radically changed. I realized I was a sinner, that Jesus Christ died for my sins, and that I needed to lead a holy life in order to glorify God. I went from being a punk-rock, self-centered independent opinionated woman, to a woman who seeks to glorify God every step she takes. When I found out how this site was being used to slander my church, I was horrified and I sought to delete everything that would keep people from attending. Grace Valley is '''NOT''' a cult. Webster's Dictionary defines cult as, "A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader." Since my faith is Christianity, which believes the bible as the inerrent total truth of God, then I suppose if you believe the bible to be "extremist or false" and God to be "an authoritarian, charismatic leader", then I suppose you are justified. Grace Valley is filled with some of the most Godly people I have ever met. People that have invited me into their lives to be apart of their family in a moment's notice. They are not full of lip service, they are '''REAL CHRISTIANS''' as in they practice what they preach. They are real people, who realized their need for Christ, and live their lives in thankful obedience to Him. In this day and age I can understand why 200+ happily married families, with obedient children that say please and thank you may weird some people out. I can even understand why some of you may think it productive to say hateful things on this page, even Jesus says "If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first." John 15:18 It is promised that those will come to tear down the good work of God, they have come, and they always will come, but I stand here in belief that "Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man." Luke 6:22 I am eternally thankful for Grace Valley, its leaders, its members and the total truth of God that it stands for and proclaims. - ["EricaChaffin"]<br> - <br> - * Erica, I appreciate your zeal for God, and your offense at people criticizing your church. But, if its false, nothing will come of it, and you have nothing to fear... Grace Valley may not be a cult in every sense of the word, but the leader of the church certainly fits your description of a cult leader: "an authoritarian charismatic leader", who not only guides but controls and manipulates the church members through fear and intimidation. Don't fall into the trap of taking all criticism of your church as an attack against you, for your faith in God. It is not "because of the Son of Man", that these criticisms come, but because of the unbiblical practices of the leaders at Grace Valley.<br> - <br> - I have been a member of Grace Valley Christian Center since becoming a Christian twelve years ago. The dialogue below about GVCC being a cult or spiritually abusive may make for interesting reading, but the claims are both misguided and unfounded. As one who has carefully studied both Christian theology and church history (I have a Master’s degree in Religion), I can attest to the fact that GVCC is biblically sound in both its doctrine and its practice. This does not mean that everybody will appreciate it (as evidenced below). The message of the Bible and its authoritative claims are often offensive to people. GVCC’s mission is to clearly and fearlessly declare the message of salvation through Christ to a world that is “without hope and without God.” Standing for truth in a postmodern age is sure elicit the animosity of many.-- ["GregPerry"]<br> - <br> - * Greg, neither "the message of the Bible" nor "its authoritative claims" are the issue in question. You will encounter two main negative views on this page, the first from those who would have a problem with '''any''' stereotypically Protestant church, and those who have a problem with GVCC specifically. I do not believe it to be a leap in logic to say that some of those who attend, for example, First Baptist would have a problem with the behaviour claimed in the ''negative stories'' section below -- does that make them unbelievers? Think carefully before answering; your response will shed a lot of light on the interests and beliefs of GVCC. --["DomenicSantangelo"]<br> - <br> - =Negative Stories=<br> - <br> - ''There are people who consider Grace Valley to be a ["cults" cult]. Please keep in mind that the following opinions are both valid (i.e., honestly held) and not universal:''<br> - <br> - CAUTION! Grace Valley Christian Center (GVCC) is an abusive, authoritarian personality cult masquerading as an orthodox church. It presents itself as being committed to the Lord Jesus Christ, to the inerrancy of Scripture, and to the Reformed tradition. However, GVCC holds to many unbiblical practices for which it refuses to repent. For example, the pastor is considered a "prophet" worthy of extraordinary deference, service, and one who cannot be questioned lest you be labeled "rebellious" or a "hater of authority"; the leadership "lords it over the flock" by intruding into matters where Christians have liberty such as which car to buy, what person to date/marry, which job to take, etc.; members are sometimes publicly ridiculed; confidential files are kept on members; conformity with the rules are enforced through fear, shame, and public humiliation; many believers have been spiritually and emotionally abused in "counseling" and from the pulpit; believers who sign membership agreements are later told it is "the equivalent to a marriage covenant" and is considered to be life-long, unless asked to leave by the pastor; those who leave without the pastors' approval are shunned (think Jehoveh Witnesses) by all church members, even by members of their own families. The leaders often slander those who leave and the victims are unable to defend themselves or tell the real story. The leaders have been confronted in person, by letter, and by phone, and called on to repent of these unbiblical practices and sins but have refused to repent. In fact, those so bold as to bring these matters to their attention are vilified as "agents of Satan". The pastors of the healthy evangelical churches in the area can attest to the damage done to wounded believers who now attend their churches. Despite the church's efforts to promote its image, don't be deceived. GVCC is not a healthy Christian fellowship - GVCC is a place where Christ's sheep are beaten. For more information on these kinds of authoritarian and abusive churches, see the following link: http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/abuse-ch.html --["JoyfulPilgrim"]<br> - <br> - * I have heard the same. My mother who is religious warned me to stay away from them when I moved to Davis years ago... I'll see if I can dig up some evidence rather than hearsay about it. I'm not interested in libel -- if the analysis is correct, let's get some proof (or at least first-hand accounts) up here; if we can't, let's kill the negativity. --["DomenicSantangelo"]<br> - <br> - * Hey, I used to go to Grace Valley and saw some pretty weird stuff. I saw people get humiliated and treated really badly. I also know from personal experience that once you're a member and decide to leave you will get shunned by pretty much all the people. I think JoyfulPilgrims' description is pretty accurate.--- ChristianDemetrius<br> - <br> - * I went to GVCC for almost two years. I don't particularly know what's appropriate on wiki, but I agree with JoyfulPilgrim's comments. I left the church for many of the same reasons. I wrote the elders a letter stating my concerns and why I was leaving. After they received my letter, I agreed to meet with the pastors. They didn't directly address my concerns, but instead focused on how sinful and inadequate a person I was to have such concerns. The pastor told me that I'm not exactly the brightest person to hold such convictions (since otherwise I would be attending Stanford or somewhere other than UC Davis). The parenthetical bit is as close to verbatim as I can get without a tape recorder. After that, I lost all of the friends I had made at GVCC. They refused to speak with me unless I repented. Twas a pretty bitter experience that I'd rather not hash up. --["TheoPaaske"]<br> - <br> - * Brighter equaling somewhere other than Davis?.. Jesus Christ, these people certainly ''are'' confused. --["JosephBleckman"]<br> - <br> - I, JoyfulPilgrim, would like to say that the "CAUTION!" description below is a result of my own "testimony" - my eyewitness account. [Remainder of comment was deleted by JoyfulPilgrim.]<br> - <br> - * After reading that, I am seriously concerned about what is taking place in Davis. I propose that we forward this to ["Judy Sakaki"], since some of this activity takes place on campus. The UCD Administration should be able to determine if further action is needed or not. This has grown beyond the scope of the wiki, and I hope that those who are anonymous will be willing to speak out. --["BrentLaabs"]<br> - * I concur that abuses should be forwarded to an official, particularly that if GVCC is technically on UCD land, the university could be held liable. - ["KarlMogel" KJM]<br> - * It may or may not be on university land, but Grace Alive is a ["SPAC"] registered organization. So it definitely affects the University.<br> - * There could very well be a hole in University Property where the church/academy are. When I said the chruch was on University property, I made that judgement based on the address. While the church may not be on university property, Grace Alive could be in some trouble. However, nothing will come of this unless people are willing to step forward. One has to remeber that we have the freedom of religion in this country. Where do you draw the line and tell someone that the way in which they practice their faith is wrong? - ["ArlenAbraham" arlen]<br> - * With the flurry of recent updates I think it would prove useful to wait a tad longer, to see if we can get anyone else to collaborate with testimony against the cult, but then it should definitely be brought to the University's attention. Some form of contact information for those who've experienced these things at GVCC would probably be helpful at that point, even if for the sake of anonymity freshly registered yahoo mail accounts are used. I say this, since I'm assuming whomever at the University might investigate these claims would wish to hear them firsthand, rather than secondhand. -- ["JosephBleckman"]<br> - <br> - * I heard from a former fellow employee in a UCD lab that GVCC holds deep anti-scientific sentiments. Note that their "Faith and Reason" series has included only anti-evolutionists, and not any religious people who support evolution. If they had both kinds of speakers it would be a showcase for faith and reason, for example [wiki:WikiPedia:Kenneth_R._Miller Kenneth Miller] of Brown University would be a great speaker for them to have, him being a devout catholic and a prominent biologist. Thus it is my opinion that GVCC's series is of anti-scientific intent.<br> - -["KarlMogel"]<br> - * "Creationists" is the appropriate term. Not all Creationists are anti-evolution. In fact, the Catholic Church has said that the views of creation and evolution are [http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:RAWabtFRu1EJ:cjonline.com/stories/051605/opi_creationism.shtml&amp;hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a not mutually exclusive]. That said, I need to comment on your flawed logic. By saying that GVCC's series is of anti-scientific intent, you infer that all creationists are anti-scientific. This is simply ignorance speaking. Well, that or rhetoric. --["DomenicSantangelo"]<br> - * No, it's the reverse. I infer that GVCC's lecture series is anti-scientific because of what kinds of creationists they have invited. The middle ground between creation and evolution is known as ''theistic evolution'', which in short, is that evolution is ''gOD's way of creating humans.'' That is the position that Ken Miller holds. (Creation is taken more as a metaphor than a literal act in this reconciliation) You might call him a creationist under the definition you gave, although I would use the word differently. The speakers all come from the [wiki:WikiPedia:Discovery_Institute Discovery Institute], which attacks science itself, (try [http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&amp;display=rednews/2005/11/08/build/nation/20-kansas-evolution.inc Kansas]) by trying to redefine it to suit their beliefs. -["KarlMogel" KJM]<br> - * So what you're saying is that an explicitly pro-evolution stance is required in order to be considered pro-science? In other words, evolution is the definition of science? --["DomenicSantangelo"]<br> - * This thread is no longer (and never really was) about GVCC. This church's stance on evolution/creationism isn't very different from christian churches in general. Although sometimes creationism can be worked together with evolution (ie: they're not mutually exclusive), the vast majority of christian churches are pro-creation and anti-evolution. So the arguments here (although interesting) aren't really about GVCC in particular but more about christian churches in general. I propose that it be removed, but whatever. --Kai<br> - <br> - <br> - I too have left this church in Davis because it has evolved to become a closed knit group of radical people who truly believe they are the only true Church in the city, county, and region. Their leadership is very authoritarian, orthodox and isolated from any authentic over sight from other presbyteries or bishops. Recently, some families have left and have been excommunicated, shunned by members, and despite many years of faithful service, malicious and slanderous information have been, and are continuing to be, communicated about them. There is a long list of other individuals, who have left the church over the years because they did not agree with the isolationism, the authoritarianism, the spiritual elitism, and the harsh treatment in counseling, just to name a few issues. They also were personally castigated, publicly vilified and maligned, and ostracized when they left. The most interesting experience for me has been the conversations I have had with teachers, coaches and Pastors I have known for many years in our region. They have ALL expressed great joy and relief to me for “getting out” of that terrible church. I have felt like NEO in the Matrix. Does everyone in Davis know about the extensive aberrations of GVCC and yet nobody has ever communicated these issues to the community at large or to the University? How can this be true? Should there be an official warning sent to students at UC where heavy recruiting of disciples takes place every Fall? The 5 or 6 lawyers on the church staff are lay ministers and perform legal work on behalf of the fellowship pro bono. I truly have fears of a lawsuit if I write an open letter to the editor concerning the issues I have brought up here. I hope the information shared here is helpful in warning the people and students of Davis about this organizations hyper orthodox position and the dangers they present to the authentic Christian community. Brett Feld<br> - * I wouldn't worry about a lawsuit. The only charge they could bring is libel, which in order to stick they would need to prove that what you said was false. - ["KenjiYamada"] (''And prove you wrote the things attributed to you.'')<br> - <br> - <br> - GVCC borders on being a cult, but actually is more accurately defined as a "spiritually abusive" church. It fits the classic definition of one. There are numerous websites available about this type of church.<br> - <br> - Having attended GVCC for a number of years, I can also attest to what goes on there. Joyful Pilgrim describes it perfectly. LightHouse<br> - </span> </td> <td> <span>+ =Controversy=<br> + A significant amount of controversy surrounds this church. To see what it's all about, or to add your opinion, please visit the ["Grace Valley Christian Center/Talk" Talk page] and help keep this main page neutral.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-11-30 09:13:34KaiTingformating <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 33: </td> <td> Line 33: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * Erica, I appreciate your zeal for God, and your offense at people criticizing your church. But, if its false, nothing will come of it, and you have nothing to fear... Grace Valley may not be a cult in every sense of the word, but the leader of the church certainly fits your description of a cult leader: "an authoritarian charismatic leader", who not only guides but controls and manipulates the church members through fear and intimidation. Don't fall into the trap of taking all criticism of your church as an attack against you, for your faith in God. It is not "because of the Son of Man", that these criticisms come, but because of the unbiblical practices of the leaders at Grace Valley. </td> <td> <span>+ </span> * Erica, I appreciate your zeal for God, and your offense at people criticizing your church. But, if its false, nothing will come of it, and you have nothing to fear... Grace Valley may not be a cult in every sense of the word, but the leader of the church certainly fits your description of a cult leader: "an authoritarian charismatic leader", who not only guides but controls and manipulates the church members through fear and intimidation. Don't fall into the trap of taking all criticism of your church as an attack against you, for your faith in God. It is not "because of the Son of Man", that these criticisms come, but because of the unbiblical practices of the leaders at Grace Valley. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center2005-11-30 09:12:27KaiTing <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Grace Valley Christian Center<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 66: </td> <td> Line 66: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * This thread is no longer about GVCC. I propose that it be removed. --["KaiTing"]<br> - ----- /!\ Edit conflict! Other version: -----<br> - * Uhm, how do you figure? --["DomenicSantangelo" Dom]<br> - ----- /!\ Edit conflict! Your version: -----<br> - ----- /!\ End of edit conflict -----</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * This thread is no longer (and never really was) about GVCC. This church's stance on evolution/creationism isn't very different from christian churches in general. Although sometimes creationism can be worked together with evolution (ie: they're not mutually exclusive), the vast majority of christian churches are pro-creation and anti-evolution. So the arguments here (although interesting) aren't really about GVCC in particular but more about christian churches in general. I propose that it be removed, but whatever. --Kai</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 80: </td> <td> Line 76: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- Having attended GVCC for a number of years, I can also attest to what goes on there. Joyful Pilgrim describes it perfectly. LightHouse</span> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div>