Recent Changes for "No Backpack Policy" - Davis Wikihttp://daviswiki.org/No_Backpack_PolicyRecent Changes of the page "No Backpack Policy" on Davis Wiki.en-us No Backpack Policyhttp://daviswiki.org/No_Backpack_Policy2010-01-28 10:26:52TomGarbersonSee "nitpicking" note for details <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for No Backpack Policy<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 18: </td> <td> Line 18: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- *It's not actually a constitutional right in this case, assuming you're referencing the 4th Amendment. That applies to government actors (which businesses are not, in general). So, as the text here notes, you're looking at unlawful detainment (a tort), not a civil rights issue for denial of constitutional rights. Feel free to delete this note, or I will in a day or so; the explanation was just too long for the comment. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> No Backpack Policyhttp://daviswiki.org/No_Backpack_Policy2010-01-28 10:11:21TomGarbersonNitpicking "constitutional rights" language - sorry! <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for No Backpack Policy<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Note that a business can ask to search or stow your bag as a condition of shopping there, but unless they actually saw you steal something, nobody is ''ever'' allowed to force a search of your bag on the way out, even to "check the receipt." (Thanks Fry's) <span>Trying to stop you le</span>av<span>ing is unla</span>w<span>ful detainment</span>, <span>and forcing a search is a violation of your rights</span>. <span>&nbsp;No "store policy" can ever strip you of your basic constitutional rights to peacefully refuse search and leave freely.</span> Of course, if you're shopping at some place like ["Costco"] where you need a membership, refusing such a search might lead to your membership being revoked. Also, many businesses may enforce this with a lot of discretion. Some employees are just more confrontational or rude than others regardless of the policies. </td> <td> <span>+</span> Note that a business can ask to search or stow your bag as a condition of shopping there, but unless they actually saw you steal something, nobody is ''ever'' allowed to force a search of your bag on the way out, even to "check the receipt." (Thanks Fry's) <span>Forcing you to stop and h</span>av<span>e your bag or receipt checked </span>w<span>hile leaving is unlawful detainment. Any such searches are entirely voluntary</span>, <span>unless they are stopping you on suspicion of shoplifting</span>. Of course, if you're shopping at some place like ["Costco"] where you need a membership, refusing such a search might lead to your membership being revoked. Also, many businesses may enforce this with a lot of discretion. Some employees are just more confrontational or rude than others regardless of the policies.<span><br> + *It's not actually a constitutional right in this case, assuming you're referencing the 4th Amendment. That applies to government actors (which businesses are not, in general). So, as the text here notes, you're looking at unlawful detainment (a tort), not a civil rights issue for denial of constitutional rights. Feel free to delete this note, or I will in a day or so; the explanation was just too long for the comment. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> No Backpack Policyhttp://daviswiki.org/No_Backpack_Policy2010-01-28 09:36:21JohnathanQuigley <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for No Backpack Policy<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> There are some businesses in town and places on campus that have '''No Backpack''' policies. This is a two sided issue; business owners don't want shoplifting<span>; without cars to le</span>ave their bags in<span>, some bike riders or pedestrians</span> don't like being treated as potential shoplifters. It makes being ["car-free in Davis"] potentially harder. </td> <td> <span>+</span> There are some businesses in town and places on campus that have '''No Backpack''' policies. This is a two sided issue; business owners don't want shoplifting<span>, while some bikers or pedestrians who don't h</span>ave <span>cars to leave </span>their bags in don't like being treated as potential shoplifters. It makes being ["car-free in Davis"] potentially harder. </td> </tr> </table> </div> No Backpack Policyhttp://daviswiki.org/No_Backpack_Policy2010-01-28 09:35:11JohnathanQuigleyminor edits for readability <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for No Backpack Policy<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> There are some businesses in town and places on campus that have '''No Backpack''' policies. This is a two sided issue; business owners don't want shoplifting; some bike riders or pedestrians <span>without cars to leave their ba</span>g<span>s in don't like being treated like</span> potential shoplifters. It makes being ["car-free in Davis"] potentially harder. </td> <td> <span>+</span> There are some businesses in town and places on campus that have '''No Backpack''' policies. This is a two sided issue; business owners don't want shoplifting; <span>without cars to leave their bags in, </span>some bike riders or pedestrians <span>don't like bein</span>g<span>&nbsp;treated as</span> potential shoplifters. It makes being ["car-free in Davis"] potentially harder. </td> </tr> </table> </div> No Backpack Policyhttp://daviswiki.org/No_Backpack_Policy2010-01-28 04:08:57NickSchmalenberger(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for No Backpack Policy<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Note that a business can ask to search or stow your bag as a condition of shopping there, but unless they actually saw you steal something, nobody is ''ever'' allowed to force a search of your bag on the way out, even to "check the receipt." (Thanks Fry's) Trying to stop you leaving is unlawful detainment, and forcing a search is a violation of your rights. No "store policy" can ever strip you of your basic constitutional rights to peacefully refuse search and leave freely. Of course, if you're shopping at some place like ["Costco"] where you need a membership, refusing such a search might lead to your membership being revoked. Also, many businesses may enforce this with a lot of discretion. Some employees are just more <span>fascist</span> than others regardless of the policies. </td> <td> <span>+</span> Note that a business can ask to search or stow your bag as a condition of shopping there, but unless they actually saw you steal something, nobody is ''ever'' allowed to force a search of your bag on the way out, even to "check the receipt." (Thanks Fry's) Trying to stop you leaving is unlawful detainment, and forcing a search is a violation of your rights. No "store policy" can ever strip you of your basic constitutional rights to peacefully refuse search and leave freely. Of course, if you're shopping at some place like ["Costco"] where you need a membership, refusing such a search might lead to your membership being revoked. Also, many businesses may enforce this with a lot of discretion. Some employees are just more <span>confrontational or rude</span> than others regardless of the policies. </td> </tr> </table> </div> No Backpack Policyhttp://daviswiki.org/No_Backpack_Policy2010-01-28 01:03:24NickSchmalenberger <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for No Backpack Policy<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Note that a business can ask to search or stow your bag as a condition of shopping there, but unless they actually saw you steal something, nobody is ''ever'' allowed to force a search of your bag on the way out, even to "check the receipt." (Thanks Fry's) Trying to stop you leaving is unlawful detainment, and forcing a search is a violation of your rights. No "store policy" can ever strip you of your basic constitutional rights to peacefully refuse search and leave freely. Of course, if you're shopping at some place like ["Costco"] where you need a membership, refusing such a search might lead to your membership being revoked. </td> <td> <span>+</span> Note that a business can ask to search or stow your bag as a condition of shopping there, but unless they actually saw you steal something, nobody is ''ever'' allowed to force a search of your bag on the way out, even to "check the receipt." (Thanks Fry's) Trying to stop you leaving is unlawful detainment, and forcing a search is a violation of your rights. No "store policy" can ever strip you of your basic constitutional rights to peacefully refuse search and leave freely. Of course, if you're shopping at some place like ["Costco"] where you need a membership, refusing such a search might lead to your membership being revoked.<span>&nbsp;Also, many businesses may enforce this with a lot of discretion. Some employees are just more fascist than others regardless of the policies.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> No Backpack Policyhttp://daviswiki.org/No_Backpack_Policy2010-01-28 01:00:44WilliamLewismore accurate <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for No Backpack Policy<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Note that a business can ask to search or stow your bag as a condition of shopping there, but unless they actually saw you steal something, nobody is ''ever'' allowed to force a search of your bag on the way out, even to "check the receipt." (Thanks Fry's) Trying to stop you leaving is unlawful detainment, and forcing a search is a violation of your rights. No "store policy" can ever strip you of your basic constitutional rights to peacefully refuse search and leave freely. <span>Unless it</span>'<span>s store that has a membership ie costco</span>. </td> <td> <span>+</span> Note that a business can ask to search or stow your bag as a condition of shopping there, but unless they actually saw you steal something, nobody is ''ever'' allowed to force a search of your bag on the way out, even to "check the receipt." (Thanks Fry's) Trying to stop you leaving is unlawful detainment, and forcing a search is a violation of your rights. No "store policy" can ever strip you of your basic constitutional rights to peacefully refuse search and leave freely. <span>Of course, if you</span>'<span>re shopping at some place like ["Costco"] where you need a membership, refusing such a search might lead to your membership being revoked</span>. </td> </tr> </table> </div> No Backpack Policyhttp://daviswiki.org/No_Backpack_Policy2010-01-28 00:47:10StevenDaubertmy two cents <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for No Backpack Policy<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Note that a business can ask to search or stow your bag as a condition of shopping there, but unless they actually saw you steal something, nobody is ''ever'' allowed to force a search of your bag on the way out, even to "check the receipt." Trying to stop you leaving is unlawful detainment, and forcing a search is a violation of your rights. No "store policy" can ever strip you of your basic constitutional rights to peacefully refuse search and leave freely. </td> <td> <span>+</span> Note that a business can ask to search or stow your bag as a condition of shopping there, but unless they actually saw you steal something, nobody is ''ever'' allowed to force a search of your bag on the way out, even to "check the receipt." <span>(</span>T<span>hanks Fry's) T</span>rying to stop you leaving is unlawful detainment, and forcing a search is a violation of your rights. No "store policy" can ever strip you of your basic constitutional rights to peacefully refuse search and leave freely.<span>&nbsp;Unless it's store that has a membership ie costco.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> No Backpack Policyhttp://daviswiki.org/No_Backpack_Policy2010-01-28 00:45:18hankimMoved quote mark to where it should be. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for No Backpack Policy<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Note that a business can ask to search or stow your bag as a condition of shopping there, but unless they actually saw you steal something, nobody is ''ever'' allowed to force a search of your bag on the way out, even to "check the receipt". <span>Trying to stop you leaving is unlawful detainment, and forcing a search is a violation of your rights</span>.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;No "store policy" can ever strip you of your basic constitutional rights to peacefully refuse search and leave freely.</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> Note that a business can ask to search or stow your bag as a condition of shopping there, but unless they actually saw you steal something, nobody is ''ever'' allowed to force a search of your bag on the way out, even to "check the receipt<span>.</span>"<span>&nbsp;Trying to stop you leaving is unlawful detainment, and forcing a search is a violation of your rights</span>. <span>No "store policy" can ever strip you of your basic constitutional rights to peacefully refuse search and leave freely</span>. </td> </tr> </table> </div> No Backpack Policyhttp://daviswiki.org/No_Backpack_Policy2010-01-27 22:32:23JabberWokkyStand up for your rights. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for No Backpack Policy<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 2: </td> <td> Line 2: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 14: </td> <td> Line 15: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + <br> + Note that a business can ask to search or stow your bag as a condition of shopping there, but unless they actually saw you steal something, nobody is ''ever'' allowed to force a search of your bag on the way out, even to "check the receipt". Trying to stop you leaving is unlawful detainment, and forcing a search is a violation of your rights. No "store policy" can ever strip you of your basic constitutional rights to peacefully refuse search and leave freely.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> No Backpack Policyhttp://daviswiki.org/No_Backpack_Policy2010-01-27 21:27:54NickSchmalenberger <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for No Backpack Policy<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 13: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * --X["UC Davis Bookstore"]X-- -- used to have such a policy, provided lockers, but wouldn't take responsib<span>le</span> for lost or stolen backpacks </td> <td> <span>+</span> * --X["UC Davis Bookstore"]X-- -- used to have such a policy, provided lockers, but wouldn't take responsib<span>ility</span> for lost or stolen backpacks<span>. Even with the policy, shoplifting was still practiced when ["ASUCD Senator Ackerman Scandal" an ASUCD Senator was caught at it].</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> No Backpack Policyhttp://daviswiki.org/No_Backpack_Policy2010-01-27 19:49:06JasonAller(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for No Backpack Policy<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> There are some businesses in town and places on campus that have '''No Backpack''' policies. This is a two sided issue; business owners don't want shoplifting; some bike riders or pedestrians without cars to leave their bags in don't like being treated like potential shoplifter. </td> <td> <span>+</span> There are some businesses in town and places on campus that have '''No Backpack''' policies. This is a two sided issue; business owners don't want shoplifting; some bike riders or pedestrians without cars to leave their bags in don't like being treated like potential shoplifter<span>s</span>.<span>&nbsp;It makes being ["car-free in Davis"] potentially harder.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> No Backpack Policyhttp://daviswiki.org/No_Backpack_Policy2010-01-27 19:42:27NickSchmalenberger(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for No Backpack Policy<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> There are some businesses in town and places on campus that have '''No Backpack''' policies. This is a two sided issue; business owners don't want shoplifting; <span>bike rider</span>s without cars to leave their bags in don't like being treated like potential shoplifter. </td> <td> <span>+</span> There are some businesses in town and places on campus that have '''No Backpack''' policies. This is a two sided issue; business owners don't want shoplifting; <span>some bike riders or pedestrian</span>s without cars to leave their bags in don't like being treated like potential shoplifter. </td> </tr> </table> </div> No Backpack Policyhttp://daviswiki.org/No_Backpack_Policy2010-01-27 19:41:23JasonAlleradded a few, noted prior policy at bookstore <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for No Backpack Policy<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 5: </td> <td> Line 5: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * ["Dimple Records"]<br> + * ["Off-Campus Books"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 7: </td> <td> Line 9: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * ["Mondavi Center"]<br> + * ["Segundo Dining Commons"]<br> + * ["Trudy's"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 8: </td> <td> Line 13: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * --X["UC Davis Bookstore"]X-- -- used to have such a policy, provided lockers, but wouldn't take responsible for lost or stolen backpacks</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> No Backpack Policyhttp://daviswiki.org/No_Backpack_Policy2010-01-27 19:28:56OliviaYUCD Bookstore doesn't require this anymore. Lockers are now sans locks. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for No Backpack Policy<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 7: </td> <td> Line 7: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * ["UC Davis Bookstore"] -- which offers lockers that they take no responsibility for</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> No Backpack Policyhttp://daviswiki.org/No_Backpack_Policy2010-01-27 19:20:12JasonAllerPlease add others so bicyclists know where to avoid <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for No Backpack Policy<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 3: </td> <td> Line 3: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- =.Businesses =</span> </td> <td> <span>+ = Businesses =<br> + * ["All Things Right and Relevant"]<br> + <br> + = On Campus =<br> + * ["UC Davis Bookstore"] -- which offers lockers that they take no responsibility for<br> + * ["Bargain Barn"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> No Backpack Policyhttp://daviswiki.org/No_Backpack_Policy2010-01-27 18:52:42JasonAllerWill list bookstore and A T R A R to start <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for No Backpack Policy<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ There are some businesses in town and places on campus that have '''No Backpack''' policies. This is a two sided issue; business owners don't want shoplifting; bike riders without cars to leave their bags in don't like being treated like potential shoplifter.<br> + <br> + =.Businesses =</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div>