Recent Changes for "Noise Ordinance" - Davis Wikihttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_OrdinanceRecent Changes of the page "Noise Ordinance" on Davis Wiki.en-us Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2013-09-23 21:59:49MeggoWaffle(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 192: </td> <td> Line 192: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2013-09-23 21:49:41'' [[nbsp]] I'm not sure what is going on on campus right now, but I live at least a mile away from the Aggie Stadium and I can hear them crystal clear right now. Pretty impressive/obnoxious. --["Users/MeggoWaffle"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2013-09-23 21:49:41'' [[nbsp]] I'm not sure what is going on on campus right now, but I live at least a mile away from the Aggie Stadium and I can hear them crystal clear right now. Pretty impressive/obnoxious. <span>ETA: Seriously, I can hear Missy Elliot more clearly/easily than any music my neighbors have ever blasted. </span>--["Users/MeggoWaffle"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2013-09-23 21:49:41MeggoWaffleComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 191: </td> <td> Line 191: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2013-09-23 21:49:41'' [[nbsp]] I'm not sure what is going on on campus right now, but I live at least a mile away from the Aggie Stadium and I can hear them crystal clear right now. Pretty impressive/obnoxious. --["Users/MeggoWaffle"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2013-04-17 10:34:42LutzFComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 188: </td> <td> Line 188: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2013-04-17 10:34:42'' [[nbsp]] Re: Davis High School Stadium PA System<br> + This is indeed becoming more and more of a problem because of the more frequent usage of the system to play music. The neighborhood does not experience music, but a loud thumping bass noise. Last Saturday the 'noise' was on all day long - till 9.50 pm. I believe the high school should change their policies regarding speaker system usage; i.e. use the PA system for announcements exclusively and stop the current abuse. Please have the high school band play instead. --["Users/LutzF"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2012-09-29 21:02:15BohemianComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 186: </td> <td> Line 186: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2012-09-29 21:02:15'' [[nbsp]] So glad Davis has reasonable noise ordinance laws. Blasting music loud enough for your entire apartment complex to hear at 1 AM is worthy of a hefty fine. --["Users/Bohemian"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2012-04-04 17:43:19WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 35: </td> <td> Line 35: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> 'Loud speakers in high places over flat terrain. That kind of propagation is actually pretty common for stadium PAs.'' </td> <td> <span>+</span> <span>'</span>'Loud speakers in high places over flat terrain. That kind of propagation is actually pretty common for stadium PAs.'' </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2012-04-04 17:43:04WilliamLewis <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 35: </td> <td> Line 35: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ 'Loud speakers in high places over flat terrain. That kind of propagation is actually pretty common for stadium PAs.''</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2012-04-04 17:08:52JudithTrumannoise ordinance issues came up twice at the 4/3/12 city council meeting <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 24: </td> <td> Line 24: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + =Proposed Noise Ordinance Reform=<br> + <br> + In December 2011, ASUCD President Adam Thongsavat and City and County Affairs Director Jeanna Gindi began working with the City to amend the Noise Ordinance, in an effort to balance the rights of the student and non-student community. This will be a collaborative effort, and include input from homeowners' associations representatives. There is concern from residents that student renter density in houses, when combined with proximity to campus, designates certain houses as "party houses," in conflict with the zoning of these dwellings.<br> + <br> + <br> + =Noise Problems around Town=<br> + <br> + ==Davis High School Stadium PA System==<br> + <br> + According to a resident complaint at the April 3, 2012 City Council Meeting, the PA system is regularly used at a volume that can be heard as far away as ["Save Mart"], "about a fifth of a mile". That is impressive penetration of sound, and could be deemed excessive. Can somebody describe the layout of the speaker-poles, stadium walls, etc, to explain the phenomenon, or is it a straightforward amplification issue? Would the athletics department need noise permits for football games, or do they get a pass on that because games are widely-attended public events?<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 25: </td> <td> Line 37: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> = Complaints Against Daycare Centers = </td> <td> <span>+</span> <span>=</span>= Complaints Against Daycare Centers =<span>=</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 30: </td> <td> Line 42: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ==Basis for the Complaints== </td> <td> <span>+</span> <span>=</span>==Basis for the Complaints==<span>=</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 42: </td> <td> Line 54: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ==Response== </td> <td> <span>+</span> <span>=</span>==Response==<span>=</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 47: </td> <td> Line 59: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ==Rebuttal== </td> <td> <span>+</span> <span>=</span>==Rebuttal==<span>=</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 51: </td> <td> Line 63: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ==<span>&nbsp;</span>Resolution!! == </td> <td> <span>+</span> ==<span>=</span>Resolution!! ==<span>=</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 55: </td> <td> Line 67: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> =<span>&nbsp;</span>Amtrak PA System= </td> <td> <span>+</span> =<span>=</span>Amtrak PA System=<span>=</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2012-04-03 22:58:17WilliamLewislink fix <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 16: </td> <td> Line 16: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> A noise violation usually costs a little under $200. If you know you are going to be making a lot of noise, you can avoid getting a noise violation by applying for a noise permit. If your house has already received a noise violation then the police will probably not issue you a noise permit. The most ''concise'' information on the law for issuing noise violations as well as how to obtain a permit can be found in the city's [http://www.ci<span>ty</span>.davis.ca.us/police/pdfs/forms/Noise_Permit_Application_and_Instructions.pdf Noise Permit Application]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> A noise violation usually costs a little under $200. If you know you are going to be making a lot of noise, you can avoid getting a noise violation by applying for a noise permit. If your house has already received a noise violation then the police will probably not issue you a noise permit. The most ''concise'' information on the law for issuing noise violations as well as how to obtain a permit can be found in the city's [http://www.ci.davis.ca.us/police/pdfs/forms/Noise_Permit_Application_and_Instructions.pdf Noise Permit Application]. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2011-11-21 11:51:40TomGarbersonSounds like the kinda time when it's appropriate to call the cops <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 172: </td> <td> Line 172: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Yeah, that sounds like exactly the sort of situation where calling the cops is appropriate. I've had similar cases a couple of times. Had a group of drunk people in the parking lot outside my current residence maybe 6 months back who cranked up the music in their car at 3AM so loud my windows were rattling, then 5 or 6 people proceeded to scream and dance in the middle of the lot. After about 10 minutes I went outside to ask them to stop and was told, "fuck off, faggot." I called the cops that time. Likewise at my old apartment complex one summer when a visit to the party to ask them to keep it down resulted in threats and an offer to fight (not from the neighbors; it was a few of the guests). But for every incident like that had at least half a dozen times when knocking on the door and saying "hey, it's really loud outside, can you close your windows and turn it down a bit?" worked perfectly well. It's the best of both worlds, really. It keeps your neighbors happy, gets a much quicker response, and it doesn't distract the cops from their more important activities, like pepper spraying peaceful protesters. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2011-11-21 11:40:00ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 171: </td> <td> Line 171: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> *Cases like yours are an exception rather than a rule. If your neighbors seriously scowl at you (as opposed to vaguely frowning and avoiding eye contact as most neighbors do these days due to social ineptness) than I guess I don't blame you for your actions. But generally speaking, it's better to talk directly to your neighbors before calling the cops on them. Some people (especially first-time apartment renters) simply don't realize how loud and annoying they are being. I've been reported several times to management and one time to the cops for shit that I seriously didnt realize was too loud or was beyond my control (such as hitting a boxing bag at noon or having Tourette.) There is often a fine line behind being a passive-aggressive spineless weasel and a person who should legitimately call the cops. Many in Davis are incapable of making this distinction. Again, I think your reasoning is valid but a lot of people just need to chill out. - SM </td> <td> <span>+</span> *Cases like yours are an exception rather than a rule. If your neighbors seriously scowl at you (as opposed to vaguely frowning and avoiding eye contact as most neighbors do these days due to social ineptness) than I guess I don't blame you for your actions. But generally speaking, it's better to talk directly to your neighbors before calling the cops on them. Some people (especially first-time apartment renters) simply don't realize how loud and annoying they are being. I've been reported several times to management and one time to the cops for shit that I seriously didnt realize was too loud or was beyond my control (such as hitting a boxing bag at noon or having Tourette<span>&nbsp;Syndrome</span>.) There is often a fine line behind being a passive-aggressive spineless weasel and a person who should legitimately call the cops. Many in Davis are incapable of making this distinction. Again, I think your reasoning is valid but a lot of people just need to chill out. <span>Especially in Davis where townies have a history of abusing the noise ordinance over things like snoring and daycares. </span>- SM </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2011-11-21 11:32:44ScottMeehleibreply to Hime-san <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 171: </td> <td> Line 171: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ *Cases like yours are an exception rather than a rule. If your neighbors seriously scowl at you (as opposed to vaguely frowning and avoiding eye contact as most neighbors do these days due to social ineptness) than I guess I don't blame you for your actions. But generally speaking, it's better to talk directly to your neighbors before calling the cops on them. Some people (especially first-time apartment renters) simply don't realize how loud and annoying they are being. I've been reported several times to management and one time to the cops for shit that I seriously didnt realize was too loud or was beyond my control (such as hitting a boxing bag at noon or having Tourette.) There is often a fine line behind being a passive-aggressive spineless weasel and a person who should legitimately call the cops. Many in Davis are incapable of making this distinction. Again, I think your reasoning is valid but a lot of people just need to chill out. - SM</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2011-11-21 11:06:22KurageHimemisspelling <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 170: </td> <td> Line 170: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> If you're planing a long, loud party, talk to your neighbors about it first and get the okay. Ask them when they want the noise level turned down or off. Party as hard as you want until that time, then turn it down and hang out and have a good time inside. It's not that hard. And if your friends don't want to quiet down at your request because they don't care about being respectful, then they're not very good friends (or people), then, are they. --["Users/KurageHime"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> If you're pla<span>n</span>ning a long, loud party, talk to your neighbors about it first and get the okay. Ask them when they want the noise level turned down or off. Party as hard as you want until that time, then turn it down and hang out and have a good time inside. It's not that hard. And if your friends don't want to quiet down at your request because they don't care about being respectful, then they're not very good friends (or people), then, are they. --["Users/KurageHime"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2011-11-21 11:05:58KurageHimewanted to edit my comment <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 169: </td> <td> Line 169: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Party as hard as you want until <span>10. T</span>hen turn it down and hang out and have a good time inside. It's not that hard. And if your friends don't want to quiet down at your request because they don't care about being respectful, then they're not very good friends (or people), then, are they. --["Users/KurageHime"] </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + If you're planing a long, loud party, talk to your neighbors about it first and get the okay. Ask them when they want the noise level turned down or off.</span> Party as hard as you want until <span>that time, t</span>hen turn it down and hang out and have a good time inside. It's not that hard. And if your friends don't want to quiet down at your request because they don't care about being respectful, then they're not very good friends (or people), then, are they. --["Users/KurageHime"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2011-11-21 10:12:04KurageHimeComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 165: </td> <td> Line 165: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-11-21 09:12:04'' [[nbsp]] I think it's ridiculous how several people have commented on how one should talk to their neighbors about loud parties before calling the cops (and for the record, I am a female college student, who needs her rest!). Have you ever even thought about putting yourself in another person's (or gender's) shoes? Where I used to live, I had neighbors that operated some kind of drug house from their duplex, would smoke weed and drink beer in the middle of the day outside, and have suspicious people of all ages coming in and out at all hours of the day. Also, they would have incredibly loud parties that would drag on until the wee hours of the morning sometimes. They would pump their base, go outside and be rowdy, have fist fights, and disturb all the neighbors. Ear plugs did not help, by the way (they can only block so much noise). These guys were huge, obviously volatile, would make threatening faces at me and my boyfriend if we looked at them, etc. They also had a huge rottweiler that was not friendly at all. If you think that I as a girl, or anyone else really (no matter the gender), would want to talk and try to reason with these kinds of people, especially when they're obviously DRUNK, you are insane. I'd rather call the cops. They at least can defend themselves using learned techniques and tools at their disposal.<br> + <br> + In the end, the point of this whole page is: don't be a dick. Just because you are a college student (and maybe you just came here to party? Wow, aren't you a goal-setter!), doesn't mean you can be disrespectful to other people around you at any time you feel like it. Noise ordinances are in place for a reason. They're for over-worked students who require much-needed rest, children who need at least 9 hours of sleep each night, and working professionals who have no choice but to live in Davis because their job happens to be HERE.<br> + Party as hard as you want until 10. Then turn it down and hang out and have a good time inside. It's not that hard. And if your friends don't want to quiet down at your request because they don't care about being respectful, then they're not very good friends (or people), then, are they. --["Users/KurageHime"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2011-11-21 09:49:41KurageHimereplying to a comment <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 130: </td> <td> Line 130: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + * I totally used to call the cops on my neighbors where I used to live. They left that poor dog outside all day, every day, and didn't let it back inside until really late at night (midnight or later... and then they'd put him out again at 7am!). And the filth he had to live in~! I could see the yard from my 2nd story window and it was full of trash, no room for the dog to move around much. And he barked up a storm every 5-10 minutes for 10 minutes at a time! It drove me nuts. I couldn't do homework, study, watch tv or sleep/take a nap in peace. Ear plugs were not enough. It never stopped completely even after I called the police, but at least it decreased substantially (during late evening hours) after I had called the cops a few times. So do it if it's a problem! Don't be afraid to call the cops! You shouldn't have to deal with idiots like that yourself anyways. --["Users/KurageHime"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2011-06-08 09:59:26vzegarskiComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 161: </td> <td> Line 161: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-06-08 09:59:26'' [[nbsp]] What's the limit for baby/babies crying? Oh and their parents yelling at them! I can hear it with my window closed, so I'm sure it's too loud but what's a man to do? --["Users/vzegarski"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2011-03-09 16:55:11DonShorobsolete <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 68: </td> <td> Line 68: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- If you would like to voice your opinion regarding the Montessori Day Care Center complaints, you can also email members of the City Council expressing your concern: Ruth Asmundson rasmundson@ci.davis.ca.us, Don Saylor dsaylor@ci.davis.ca.us, Sue Greenwald sgreenwald@ci.davis.ca.us, Lamar Heystek lheystek@ci.davis.ca.us, and Stephen Souza ssouza@ci.davis.ca.us.</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2011-03-02 10:09:06MyRealNameComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 160: </td> <td> Line 160: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-03-02 09:09:06'' [[nbsp]] The fact that trash service is exempt from this is ludicrous. A garbage truck early in the morning is incredibly loud when the streets are otherwise silent. They should have to follow the 7am rule just like everyone else. Tossing dumpsters and picking up the green waste that Davis tosses all over the streets is quite a noise maker. --["Users/MyRealName"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2011-01-20 09:17:48JabberWokkyReadding a local story. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 54: </td> <td> Line 54: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + = Amtrak PA System=<br> + <br> + In ["2003"], the local ["train station"] installed a PA system that would announce trains to waiting passengers. Although intended for the local area, the speakers pointed out across the tracks and into ["Slatter's Court"], broadcasting an endless stream of announcements into people's homes. After years of complaints by residents, including Wayne Schiller, they redirected the speakers in ["2006"] to keep the loud announcements more confined to the actual station rather than being blasted off the property.<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2011-01-19 23:01:31WayneSchiller <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 90: </td> <td> Line 90: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- I have fought with Amtrak for two years to get them to turn off, or at least turn way down their automated P.A. system that is right across from my neighborhood. I started with the police, but they said it doesn't violate the noise code. Even though it is so loud it rattles your soul and broadcast at 4:30 AM until midnight seven days a week, it still doesn't violate the code. I did, finally get Amtrak to turn it down some what, but it's still too loud. I guess if you have lots of money to give the city, you can make all the noise you want. --["Users/WayneSchiller"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 92: </td> <td> Line 91: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- *Did they only start using the public address system after you moved there? -- ["Users/JasonAller"]<br> - <br> - *Yes. I have lived here for 4+ years and the P.A. went up about 2 years ago. Everyone who lives near the tracks learns to live with the rhythmic, albeit sometimes annoying, clickity clack of the trains. Usually that's a noise one can roll with, but a screeching voice randomly announcing arrivals and departures of trains all day will drive a person batty. Like I said, some progress has been made, enough to stop me from going to small claims court and suing for nuisance, which I could do, but I wanted to point out how money is the key to legal immunity. ["Users/WayneSchiller" Wayne Schiller]<br> - <br> - *Thanks, that is an important part of your story. It might be a good idea to double check ["Davis Municipal Code/24" the relevant code]. -- ["Users/JasonAller"]<br> - <br> - ''2006-03-04 03:41:30'' [[nbsp]] Update on Amtrak noise: Perseverance prevailed! I bugged the right people, after researching who had the power to change things, and they turned the PA speakers away from my neighborhood. The people who work in the station are a mix of cool and uncool, but the boss did the right thing. Lesson: Persevere. --["Users/WayneSchiller"]<br> - *Congratulations -- ["Users/JasonAller"]<br> - ------</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ------</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-07-24 09:43:10DavidGreenwaldComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 162: </td> <td> Line 162: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-07-24 09:43:10'' [[nbsp]] It took a bit longer than I thought, however, the Montessori issue was declared resolved by the neighbors and the city [http://davisvanguard.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=3603:after-15-years-noise-issues-finally-resolved-for-neighbors-of-montessori-school&amp;catid=53:land-useopen-space&amp;Itemid=86 Montessori Issue resolved] --["Users/DavidGreenwald"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-07-23 09:54:02CovertProfessorResolution to Montessori issue!! <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 50: </td> <td> Line 50: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + == Resolution!! ==<br> + <br> + The Vanguard reports that the [http://www.davisvanguard.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=3603:after-15-years-noise-issues-finally-resolved-for-neighbors-of-montessori-school&amp;Itemid=86 issue has been resolved]: On July 15, 2010, Mark Wood, the city of Davis' Chief Building Official, sent out a memo in which he announced that mitigation measures had been completed and that the neighbors consider the matter resolved to their satisfaction. According to the memo, mitigation measures include: completion of a sound wall between the school and the neighbors; sound deadening mat applied to the day care concrete patio area; sound deadening material applied to the ceiling of the patio area; use of the patio area is now restricted to entering and exiting the play area; the area closest to the property line has been designated as a “quiet area;” and all hard plastic wheeled riding toys have been removed or replaced.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-07-05 11:20:27DonShorRevert to version 77 (no deleting other comments without at least explaining why). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 149: </td> <td> Line 149: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ * You're right! All those people who have lived here for 40 years or more should leave if they don't like it, right?! After all, you're a COLLEGE student, so you have a right to be as loud as you want, right? No need to act like an adult with consideration for your neighbors. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-07-05 11:12:42Nekkl(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 149: </td> <td> Line 149: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * You're right! All those people who have lived here for 40 years or more should leave if they don't like it, right?! After all, you're a COLLEGE student, so you have a right to be as loud as you want, right? No need to act like an adult with consideration for your neighbors. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-06-04 14:41:25DavidGreenwaldComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 156: </td> <td> Line 156: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-06-04 14:41:25'' [[nbsp]] I will have a story on it next week. --["Users/DavidGreenwald"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-06-04 14:37:08ScottMeehleibreply to TG <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 155: </td> <td> Line 155: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ *I don't think they heard the daycare issue yet. It doesn't seem to be mentioned in any of the recent city council minutes. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-06-04 14:18:27BrianOrr <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 154: </td> <td> Line 154: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ *Call City Hall; they'll know if you're so curious. --["Users/BrianOrr"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-06-04 14:12:55TomGarbersonComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 152: </td> <td> Line 152: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-06-04 14:12:55'' [[nbsp]] Anyone know if the City Council heard the issue yet, or what the resolution was? --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-04-09 11:07:39Angel.York(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 43: </td> <td> Line 43: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The management of the child development center HAS erected a tall, soundproof fence and allegedly adjusted the schedule so that children do not go outside prior to 9am or after 5pm. The children are inside for several meals each day, as well as nap time and indoor activities. They are outside for a maximum total of 3 hours each day. The<span>re</span> complaints come from a small group of individuals who chose to live near the pre-existing school. The neighbors' proposals call the children to stay 20 feet away from the fence, drastically limiting their play space, and for the building to be completely redesigned. </td> <td> <span>+</span> The management of the child development center HAS erected a tall, soundproof fence and allegedly adjusted the schedule so that children do not go outside prior to 9am or after 5pm. The children are inside for several meals each day, as well as nap time and indoor activities. They are outside for a maximum total of 3 hours each day. The<span>ir</span> complaints come from a small group of individuals who chose to live near the pre-existing school. The neighbors' proposals call the children to stay 20 feet away from the fence, drastically limiting their play space, and for the building to be completely redesigned. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-03-17 20:55:44SRB <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 117: </td> <td> Line 117: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ *Were you one of the guys living in the house right next door to the apartments? Kari was pretty horrible, but living next door to that house was almost worse. I can't imagine that louder neighbors exist, I'm glad SOMEONE was doing something about it. For the record, she was fired in 2009.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-03-03 20:09:24srednivashtar <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 149: </td> <td> Line 149: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * Dear Professor: You don't have to leave if you've lived here 40 years or more. Davis, as you must well know, has morphed into a very somnolent college town compared to Chico, Berkeley, Palo Alto, etc. How tight the leash now kept on "untoward" noise in general? Well, you'll remember, the tightening noticeably began when Davis got famous for its cops busting that poor woman for snoring in her own home. And now the children must be toned down, architecturally, apparently. The leash tightens (figuratively) as well around the necks of singers and other musicians. No new live music venues have been allowed downtown by the powers that be in years. The latest developments there? Mattress stores, phone shops, bathroom accessory emporia, etc. Baskin Robbins has, I noticed recently, begun broadcasting schmaltzy Top 40 "hits" on the E Street Plaza. No, I repeat, new music venues approved of downtown in years. Several closed, without replacement: Cafe Roma, The Cantina (which used to host, among other live musicians, exuberantly loud full uniform UCD Band-Uh indoor marching concerts along the bar and up and down the aisles between tables to loud applause), Soga's (jazz). Sophia's and G Street Pub keep it pretty toned down these daze. What does it all mean? Well, I would submit, as mentioned above, the town's tastes have shifted. Now shiftless students' exuberance must be kept more in check by new townie vigilante-listeners who wish above all to protect property values. Which, I imagine, loud, lively, boisterous and unpredictable youth tend to depress. I personally would rather have seen ASUCD take over the Anderson Bank Building across from Froggy's and put on full-bore rock 'n' roll shows as once had been planned. Instead of the retail "Illusions" now residing there. --["Users/SredniVashtar"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-02-26 19:21:33PhilipNeustrom <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 24: </td> <td> Line 24: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ [[anchor(daycare)]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-02-11 13:15:20TomGarbersonUpdate on timing per phone call to city mgr's office <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 25: </td> <td> Line 25: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter (or so they say), but some residents of Davis disagree -- when the sound is coming from a certain day care center, that is. These residents have filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the ["Montessori Country Day Care Center"] since ["1994"]. The facility was zoned in ["1983"] on a 3/4 acre parcel designated for a childcare facility for up to 144 children. --X'''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.'''X-- The city council meeting has been delayed<span>&nbsp;(info on ne</span>w<span>&nbsp;date/time appreciated</span>.<span>) While the complaints are against this specific facility</span>, <span>a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Da</span>v<span>is schools and day cares as</span> w<span>ell</span>. </td> <td> <span>+</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter (or so they say), but some residents of Davis disagree -- when the sound is coming from a certain day care center, that is. These residents have filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the ["Montessori Country Day Care Center"] since ["1994"]. The facility was zoned in ["1983"] on a 3/4 acre parcel designated for a childcare facility for up to 144 children. --X'''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.'''X-- The city council meeting has been delayed<span>. While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as </span>w<span>ell</span>.<span><br> + <br> + '''Update:''' There is an update on the Montessori school noise issue ''tentatively'' scheduled for March 16</span>, <span>2010, but as of now it does not appear to include discussion on the noise ordinance issue. If it is finalized, the issue will appear on the council's agenda for the Friday before, according to a phone con</span>v<span>ersation</span> w<span>ith the ["City Manager"]'s office</span>. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-02-10 20:58:58srednivashtarThanks, Tom Garberson... <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 146: </td> <td> Line 146: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * Dear Professor: To clear the air and simultaneously split hairs: You don't have to leave if don't don't like it and only have lived here 39 years or less. If you've lived here 40 years or more, then you know that Davis has morphed into a very somnolent college town compared to Chico, Berkeley, Palo Alto, etc. (This was the town which received national media attention when Davis police cited one woman for snoring, remember?) How tight the leash now kept on music here? No venues allowed downtown by the powers that be. The latest developments there? Mattress stores, phone shops, bathroom accessory emporia, etc. --["Users/SredniVashtar"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * Dear Professor: You don't have to leave if you've lived here 40 years or more. Davis, as you must well know, has morphed into a very somnolent college town compared to Chico, Berkeley, Palo Alto, etc. How tight the leash now kept on "untoward" noise in general? Well, you'll remember, the tightening noticeably began when Davis got famous for its cops busting that poor woman for snoring in her own home. And now the children must be toned down, architecturally, apparently. The leash tightens (figuratively) as well around the necks of singers and other musicians. No new live music venues have been allowed downtown by the powers that be in years. The latest developments there? Mattress stores, phone shops, bathroom accessory emporia, etc. Baskin Robbins has, I noticed recently, begun broadcasting schmaltzy Top 40 "hits" on the E Street Plaza. No, I repeat, new music venues approved of downtown in years. Several closed, without replacement: Cafe Roma, The Cantina (which used to host, among other live musicians, exuberantly loud full uniform UCD Band-Uh indoor marching concerts along the bar and up and down the aisles between tables to loud applause), Soga's (jazz). Sophia's and G Street Pub keep it pretty toned down these daze. What does it all mean? Well, I would submit, as mentioned above, the town's tastes have shifted. Now shiftless students' exuberance must be kept more in check by new townie vigilante-listeners who wish above all to protect property values. Which, I imagine, loud, lively, boisterous and unpredictable youth tend to depress. I personally would rather have seen ASUCD take over the Anderson Bank Building across from Froggy's and put on full-bore rock 'n' roll shows as once had been planned. Instead of the retail "Illusions" now residing there. --["Users/SredniVashtar"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-02-10 17:55:26rfrazier <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 148: </td> <td> Line 148: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * 1. Fresh Choice serves meat. Bad analogy. 2. Do you know what you can reasonably expect when you move out of a DORMATORY into a HOUSE? People might actually expect you to act like a grown up with a little respect/consideration for others. -RF</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-02-10 17:13:51srednivashtar <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 146: </td> <td> Line 146: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Dear Professor: To clear the air and simultaneously split hairs: You don't have to leave if don't don't like it and only have lived here 39 years or less. If you've lived here 40 years or more, then you know that Davis has morphed into a very somnolent college town compared to Chico, Berkeley, Palo Alto, etc. (This was the town which received national media attention when Davis police cited one woman for snoring, remember?) How tight the leash now kept on music here? No venues allowed downtown by the powers that be. The latest developments there? Mattress stores, phone shops, bathroom accessory emporia, etc. --["Users/SredniVashtar"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-02-10 16:06:02WilliamLewisRevert to version 63 (deleting threat.). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 147: </td> <td> Line 147: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2010-02-10 15:03:30'' [[nbsp]] Quit bitching, you moved near a Daycare center BOOHOO!!! Move away then. This is why Davis gets such a bad rap. Suck it up or get out. Move next to the airport and then complain about the noise, DUMBASS!!! My lil kid went to the this day care and if it is screwed with over this bullshit, I will get revenge on everyone responsible!!! They're kids let 'em play, that's what being a kid is about. --["Users/PublicEnemyNumberOne"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-02-10 16:03:30PublicEnemyNumberOneComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 147: </td> <td> Line 147: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-02-10 15:03:30'' [[nbsp]] Quit bitching, you moved near a Daycare center BOOHOO!!! Move away then. This is why Davis gets such a bad rap. Suck it up or get out. Move next to the airport and then complain about the noise, DUMBASS!!! My lil kid went to the this day care and if it is screwed with over this bullshit, I will get revenge on everyone responsible!!! They're kids let 'em play, that's what being a kid is about. --["Users/PublicEnemyNumberOne"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-02-09 10:47:32CovertProfessorfashioning a rebuttal <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 46: </td> <td> Line 46: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ There is reason to think that defenders of the school are [http://www.davisvanguard.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=3233:just-when-it-seemed-over-noise-ordinance-issue-reemerges&amp;Itemid=86 systematically misportraying this issue]. An agreement between all parties was made on August 24, 2007 to re-evaluate the noise levels after the soundwall was constructed, in order to determine if other measures needed to be taken. Instead of doing that, any further changes are being fought. Other measures that could be taken include: moving the exit doors so that the kids would exit away from the residences, changing the surface of the patio to reduce the noise from the wheeled toys, and changing the tires of these toys to soft rubber.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-02-07 15:39:07PhilipNeustrom(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 14: </td> <td> Line 14: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The text of the Davis city noise regulations can be found in ["Davis Municipal Code/24" chapter 24] of the ["Davis Municipal Code"]. There are plenty of provisions in there about allowed noise levels at the property plane, measured in [wiki:wikipedia:"A-weighted" dBA]. '''Ignore them'''. Cops don't carry sound level meters; they'd just be another piece of equipment to maintain, keep calibrated, and keep certified. Even if they did, the limits given in the law are insanely low and the ambient noise level regularly exceeds them. No, the provision you should care about is the '''Davis General Noise Prohibition''' found in [<span>[</span>"Davis Municipal Code/24.05.010" DMC 24.05.010]. When someone gets a noise violation, this is the ordinance that the police use. The gist of it is that if there is a complaint and the officers that respond think the noise is unreasonable (there are guidelines given in the statute), they can issue a ticket. There is a huge amount of discretion in issuing the ticket, so if you're faced with one, be nice and you may avoid the writeup. You won't be able to successfully fight it, notwithstanding some really obvious misconduct on the part of the officer issuing it. </td> <td> <span>+</span> The text of the Davis city noise regulations can be found in ["Davis Municipal Code/24" chapter 24] of the ["Davis Municipal Code"]. There are plenty of provisions in there about allowed noise levels at the property plane, measured in [wiki:wikipedia:"A-weighted" dBA]. '''Ignore them'''. Cops don't carry sound level meters; they'd just be another piece of equipment to maintain, keep calibrated, and keep certified. Even if they did, the limits given in the law are insanely low and the ambient noise level regularly exceeds them. No, the provision you should care about is the '''Davis General Noise Prohibition''' found in ["Davis Municipal Code/24.05.010" DMC 24.05.010]. When someone gets a noise violation, this is the ordinance that the police use. The gist of it is that if there is a complaint and the officers that respond think the noise is unreasonable (there are guidelines given in the statute), they can issue a ticket. There is a huge amount of discretion in issuing the ticket, so if you're faced with one, be nice and you may avoid the writeup. You won't be able to successfully fight it, notwithstanding some really obvious misconduct on the part of the officer issuing it. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-02-07 15:37:43PhilipNeustromwiki links <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 14: </td> <td> Line 14: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The text of the Davis city noise regulations can be found in [<span>http:</span>/<span>/www.city.davis.ca.us/cmo/citycode/chapter.cfm?chapter=</span>24 chapter 24] of the Davis Municipal Code. There are plenty of provisions in there about allowed noise levels at the property plane, measured in [wiki:wikipedia:"A-weighted" dBA]. '''Ignore them'''. Cops don't carry sound level meters; they'd just be another piece of equipment to maintain, keep calibrated, and keep certified. Even if they did, the limits given in the law are insanely low and the ambient noise level regularly exceeds them. No, the provision you should care about is the '''Davis General Noise Prohibition''' found in [<span>http:</span>/<span>/www.cityofdavis.org/cmo/citycode/detail.cfm?p=</span>24<span>&amp;q=</span>10<span>00</span> DMC 24.05.010]. When someone gets a noise violation, this is the ordinance that the police use. The gist of it is that if there is a complaint and the officers that respond think the noise is unreasonable (there are guidelines given in the statute), they can issue a ticket. There is a huge amount of discretion in issuing the ticket, so if you're faced with one, be nice and you may avoid the writeup. You won't be able to successfully fight it, notwithstanding some really obvious misconduct on the part of the officer issuing it. </td> <td> <span>+</span> The text of the Davis city noise regulations can be found in [<span>"Davis Municipal Code</span>/24<span>"</span> chapter 24] of the <span>["</span>Davis Municipal Code<span>"]</span>. There are plenty of provisions in there about allowed noise levels at the property plane, measured in [wiki:wikipedia:"A-weighted" dBA]. '''Ignore them'''. Cops don't carry sound level meters; they'd just be another piece of equipment to maintain, keep calibrated, and keep certified. Even if they did, the limits given in the law are insanely low and the ambient noise level regularly exceeds them. No, the provision you should care about is the '''Davis General Noise Prohibition''' found in [<span>["Davis Municipal Code</span>/24<span>.05.0</span>10<span>"</span> DMC 24.05.010]. When someone gets a noise violation, this is the ordinance that the police use. The gist of it is that if there is a complaint and the officers that respond think the noise is unreasonable (there are guidelines given in the statute), they can issue a ticket. There is a huge amount of discretion in issuing the ticket, so if you're faced with one, be nice and you may avoid the writeup. You won't be able to successfully fight it, notwithstanding some really obvious misconduct on the part of the officer issuing it. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-02-07 10:11:24TomGarberson(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 145: </td> <td> Line 145: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Thanks for illustrating why college students get a bad rap! And never mind the fact that in many parts of town it's other college students who are complaining about the noise. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-02-07 10:00:21CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 144: </td> <td> Line 144: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * You're right! All those people who have lived here for 40 years or more should leave if they don't like it, right?! After all, you're a COLLEGE student, so you have a right to be as loud as you want, right? No need to act like an adult with consideration for your neighbors. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-02-07 01:55:54tombrokawComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 138: </td> <td> Line 138: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-02-07 00:55:54'' [[nbsp]] Here's what you can reasonably expect when you move into a COLLEGE town. Loud parties.<br> + <br> + The townies here are absolute idiots. I'm pretty sure they moved here, well aware that it's a COLLEGE town.<br> + <br> + Next time I go to fresh choice I'm going to complain loudly about there being no meat ok? Then I'll be exactly as intelligent as the average davisite. --["Users/tombrokaw"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-31 16:48:18JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 136: </td> <td> Line 136: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * Haha I've used that username for pretty much everything since I was I guess 15, which was unfortunately quite a while ago. @rfrazier what I mean is that this guy shows up probably after dropping off his kid and runs around the playground yelling things like YAAAARRRRGGGGHhhh and other piratey things. The kids go absolutely nuts. @JonathanQuigley I'm not sure how the long the preschool has been there but I've lived here for about three years. At the very least something like this should be mentioned on a lease agreement (which it wasn't) but I guess that an issue with my landlord.<br> <span>-</span> * That's hillarious, he is literally doing a pirate act. That said I probably would not find it hilarious at 8:00 a.m. -RF </td> <td> <span>+ </span> * Haha I've used that username for pretty much everything since I was I guess 15, which was unfortunately quite a while ago. @rfrazier what I mean is that this guy shows up probably after dropping off his kid and runs around the playground yelling things like YAAAARRRRGGGGHhhh and other piratey things. The kids go absolutely nuts. @JonathanQuigley I'm not sure how the long the preschool has been there but I've lived here for about three years. At the very least something like this should be mentioned on a lease agreement (which it wasn't) but I guess that an issue with my landlord.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;--["Users/metalhead15"]</span><br> <span>+ </span> * That's hillarious, he is literally doing a pirate act. That said I probably would not find it hilarious at 8:00 a.m. -RF </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-31 16:47:30JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 131: </td> <td> Line 131: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * I know it sounds ridiculous but I live next to a preschool and although I've never gone outside with a soundmeter, I can promise you that 30 constantly screaming children is an absurd amount of noise </td> <td> <span>+ </span> * I know it sounds ridiculous but I live next to a preschool and although I've never gone outside with a soundmeter, I can promise you that 30 constantly screaming children is an absurd amount of noise<span>&nbsp;--["Users/metalhead15"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-31 16:31:29rfrazier <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 137: </td> <td> Line 137: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * That's hillarious, he is literally doing a pirate act. That said I probably would not find it hilarious at 8:00 a.m. -RF</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-31 16:22:25metalhead15(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p>No differences found!</div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-31 15:40:29metalhead15(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 130: </td> <td> Line 130: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-31 15:40:13metalhead15(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 130: </td> <td> Line 130: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I know it sounds ridiculous but I live next to a preschool and although I've never gone outside with a soundmeter, I can promise you that 30 constantly screaming children is an absurd amount of noise</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-31 15:38:15metalhead15 <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p>No differences found!</div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-31 15:37:19metalhead15 <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 134: </td> <td> Line 134: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Haha I've used that username for pretty much everything since I was I guess 15, which was unfortunately quite a while ago. @rfrazier what I mean is that this guy shows up probably after dropping off his kid and runs around the playground yelling things like YAAAARRRRGGGGHhhh and other piratey things. The kids go absolutely nuts. @JonathanQuigley I'm not sure how the long the preschool has been there but I've lived here for about three years. At the very least something like this should be mentioned on a lease agreement (which it wasn't) but I guess that an issue with my landlord.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-30 13:24:28JohnathanQuigley <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 133: </td> <td> Line 133: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * I hope this isn't rude, but I am curious how long the preschool has been there and how long you have lived there. </td> <td> <span>+</span> * I hope this isn't rude, but I am curious how long the preschool has been there and how long you have lived there.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;--["Users/JohnathanQuigley"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-30 13:24:10JohnathanQuigley <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 133: </td> <td> Line 133: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I hope this isn't rude, but I am curious how long the preschool has been there and how long you have lived there.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-30 13:07:03JohnathanQuigley <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 25: </td> <td> Line 25: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter (or so they say), but some residents of Davis disagree -- when the sound is coming from a certain day care center, that is. These residents have filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the ["Montessori Country Day Care Center"] since ["1994"]. The facility was zoned in ["1983"] on a 3/4 acre parcel designated for a childcare facility for up to 144 children. '''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well. </td> <td> <span>+</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter (or so they say), but some residents of Davis disagree -- when the sound is coming from a certain day care center, that is. These residents have filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the ["Montessori Country Day Care Center"] since ["1994"]. The facility was zoned in ["1983"] on a 3/4 acre parcel designated for a childcare facility for up to 144 children. <span>--X</span>'''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.'''<span>X-- The city council meeting has been delayed (info on new date/time appreciated.)</span> While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-30 00:19:01JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 25: </td> <td> Line 25: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter (or so they say), but some residents of Davis disagree -- when the sound is coming from a certain day care center, that is. These residents have filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the ["Montessori Country Day Care Center"] since 1994. The facility was zoned in 1983 on a 3/4 acre parcel designated for a childcare facility for up to 144 children. '''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well. </td> <td> <span>+</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter (or so they say), but some residents of Davis disagree -- when the sound is coming from a certain day care center, that is. These residents have filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the ["Montessori Country Day Care Center"] since <span>["</span>1994<span>"]</span>. The facility was zoned in <span>["</span>1983<span>"]</span> on a 3/4 acre parcel designated for a childcare facility for up to 144 children. '''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-29 23:58:12CovertProfessoraccording to the Vanguard <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 25: </td> <td> Line 25: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter (or so they say), but some residents of Davis disagree -- when the sound is coming from a certain day care center, that is. These residents have filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the ["Montessori Country Day Care Center"] since <span>moving in around 2000</span>. The facility was zoned in 1983 on a 3/4 acre parcel designated for a childcare facility for up to 144 children. '''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well. </td> <td> <span>+</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter (or so they say), but some residents of Davis disagree -- when the sound is coming from a certain day care center, that is. These residents have filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the ["Montessori Country Day Care Center"] since <span>1994</span>. The facility was zoned in 1983 on a 3/4 acre parcel designated for a childcare facility for up to 144 children. '''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-29 23:55:50CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 25: </td> <td> Line 25: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter (or so they say), but some residents of Davis disagree -- when the sound is coming from a certain day care center, that is. These residents have filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the ["Montessori Country Day Center"] since moving in around 2000. The facility was zoned in 1983 on a 3/4 acre parcel designated for a childcare facility for up to 144 children. '''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well. </td> <td> <span>+</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter (or so they say), but some residents of Davis disagree -- when the sound is coming from a certain day care center, that is. These residents have filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the ["Montessori Country Day<span>&nbsp;Care</span> Center"] since moving in around 2000. The facility was zoned in 1983 on a 3/4 acre parcel designated for a childcare facility for up to 144 children. '''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-29 23:55:17CovertProfessorseems like more than one neighbor complained, plus other small fixes <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 25: </td> <td> Line 25: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> - The<span>re is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter, at least that's what they say, </span>b<span>ut a resident of</span> Da<span>vis disagrees. This person has filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the Montessori</span> C<span>ountry Day center</span> since moving in around 2000. The facility was zoned in 1983 on a 3/4 acre parcel designated for a childcare facility for up to 144 children. '''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well. </td> <td> <span>+ There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter (or so they say), but some residents of Davis disagree </span>-<span>- when the sound is coming from a certain day care center, that is.</span> The<span>se residents have filed multiple complaints a</span>b<span>out the noise levels during recess at the ["Montessori Country</span> Da<span>y</span> C<span>enter"]</span> since moving in around 2000. The facility was zoned in 1983 on a 3/4 acre parcel designated for a childcare facility for up to 144 children. '''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-29 19:13:10TomGarberson(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 27: </td> <td> Line 27: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ==Complaints== </td> <td> <span>+</span> ==<span>Basis for the </span>Complaints== </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-29 19:12:27TomGarberson(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 34: </td> <td> Line 34: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The sound report apparently states that the sound wall, which Montessori erected, would not work by itself. To date, Montessori has not followed all of the recommendations. Following the erection of the sound wall, further investigation by sound experts found that noise levels ''inside'' neighboring homes, through double-paned sound insulated windows reached peaks as high as 90 decibels. For [http://www.dangerousdecibels.org/teachers_guide/DDB_TRG_Appendices_3.pdf reference], 90 decibels is about the same volume as a blender or a diesel truck running right next to you. It is also the maximum level of sound to which people can be exposed for 8 hours a day without causing hearing damage in 90% of people [http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=standards&amp;p_id=9735 according to OSHA]. [http://www.american-hearing.org/nihlcharts.html A normal conversation takes place at 60 to 70 decibels]. According to the complaints, the increased noise begins around 8:30 AM, when the school opens, and <span>continues sometimes</span> as late as 7:30 PM<span>.</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> The sound report apparently states that the sound wall, which Montessori erected, would not work by itself. To date, Montessori has not followed all of the recommendations. Following the erection of the sound wall, further investigation by sound experts found that noise levels ''inside'' neighboring homes, through double-paned sound insulated windows reached peaks as high as 90 decibels. For [http://www.dangerousdecibels.org/teachers_guide/DDB_TRG_Appendices_3.pdf reference], 90 decibels is about the same volume as a blender or a diesel truck running right next to you. It is also the maximum level of sound to which people can be exposed for 8 hours a day without causing hearing damage in 90% of people [http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=standards&amp;p_id=9735 according to OSHA]. [http://www.american-hearing.org/nihlcharts.html A normal conversation takes place at 60 to 70 decibels]. According to the complaints, the increased noise begins around 8:30 AM, when the school opens, and <span>has continued</span> as late as 7:30 PM<span>&nbsp;at times.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-29 19:11:41TomGarbersonJust organizing the info already on the page. More input would be good <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 25: </td> <td> Line 25: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter, at least that's what they say, but a resident of Davis disagrees. This person has filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the Montessori Country Day center since moving in around 2000. The facility was zoned in 1983 on a 3/4 acre parcel designated for a childcare facility for up to 144 children. '''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 27: </td> <td> Line 28: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter, at least that's what they say, but a resident of Davis disagrees. This person has filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the Montessori Country Day center since moving in around 2000. The facility was zoned in 1983 on a 3/4 acre parcel designated for a childcare facility for up to 144 children. '''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well.<br> - <br> - ==Response==</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 36: </td> <td> Line 34: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The sound report apparently states that the sound wall, which Montessori erected, would not work by itself. To date, Montessori has not followed all of the recommendations. <span>&nbsp;The management of the child development center HAS erected a tall, soundproof fence and allegedly adjusted the schedule so that children do not go outside prior to 9am or after 5pm. The children are inside for several meals each day, as well as nap time and indoor activities. They are outside for a maximum total of 3 hours each day. There complaints come from a small group of individuals who chose to live near the pre-existing school. The neighbors' proposals call the children to stay 20 feet away from the fence, drastically limiting their play space, and for the building to be completely redesigned.</span> Following the erection of the sound wall, further investigation by sound experts found that noise levels ''inside'' neighboring homes, through double-paned sound insulated windows reached as high as 90 decibels. For [http://www.dangerousdecibels.org/teachers_guide/DDB_TRG_Appendices_3.pdf reference], 90 decibels is about the same volume as a blender or a diesel truck running right next to you. It is also the maximum level of sound to which people can be exposed for 8 hours a day without causing hearing damage in 90% of people [http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=standards&amp;p_id=9735 according to OSHA]. [http://www.american-hearing.org/nihlcharts.html A normal conversation takes place at 60 to 70 decibels]<span>; it takes a quarter of an hour of sustained exposure to sounds up to 115 decibels to cause hearing damage in 10% of people (again according to OSH</span>A<span>). It is also important to note the difference between peak level and sustained level. It is also important to note that there are current exemptions to the noise regulation in place for gardeners (with leaf blowers and lawn mowers)</span>, <span>power tools, air conditioners, lawn mowers, etc. but not for children. Requiring playing children to comply with the noise regulations has implications for parks, playgrounds, public schools, and even children playing in their own backyards. The center is open from 7am to 6pm Monday through Friday, and closed on weekends. The children are not allowed to go outside before</span> 8:30<span>.</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> The sound report apparently states that the sound wall, which Montessori erected, would not work by itself. To date, Montessori has not followed all of the recommendations. Following the erection of the sound wall, further investigation by sound experts found that noise levels ''inside'' neighboring homes, through double-paned sound insulated windows reached<span>&nbsp;peaks</span> as high as 90 decibels. For [http://www.dangerousdecibels.org/teachers_guide/DDB_TRG_Appendices_3.pdf reference], 90 decibels is about the same volume as a blender or a diesel truck running right next to you. It is also the maximum level of sound to which people can be exposed for 8 hours a day without causing hearing damage in 90% of people [http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=standards&amp;p_id=9735 according to OSHA]. [http://www.american-hearing.org/nihlcharts.html A normal conversation takes place at 60 to 70 decibels]<span>. </span>A<span>ccording to the complaints</span>, <span>the increased noise begins around</span> 8:30<span>&nbsp;AM, when the school opens, and continues sometimes as late as 7:30 PM.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 40: </td> <td> Line 38: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + ==Response==<br> + The management of the child development center HAS erected a tall, soundproof fence and allegedly adjusted the schedule so that children do not go outside prior to 9am or after 5pm. The children are inside for several meals each day, as well as nap time and indoor activities. They are outside for a maximum total of 3 hours each day. There complaints come from a small group of individuals who chose to live near the pre-existing school. The neighbors' proposals call the children to stay 20 feet away from the fence, drastically limiting their play space, and for the building to be completely redesigned.<br> + <br> + It takes a quarter of an hour of sustained exposure to sounds up to 115 decibels to cause hearing damage in 10% of people (again according to OSHA). It is also important to note the difference between peak level and sustained level. It is also important to note that there are current exemptions to the noise regulation in place for gardeners (with leaf blowers and lawn mowers), power tools, air conditioners, lawn mowers, etc. but not for children. Requiring playing children to comply with the noise regulations has implications for parks, playgrounds, public schools, and even children playing in their own backyards. The center is open from 7am to 6pm Monday through Friday, and closed on weekends. The children are not allowed to go outside before 8:30.<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 41: </td> <td> Line 45: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-29 19:01:24TomGarbersonFormatted to allow for presentation of both sides: complaints, response,rebuttal <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 26: </td> <td> Line 26: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ==Complaints==</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 28: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- The Day Care center has made accommodations to try and please the irritated neighbors, including reducing recess time and installing a wall to block as much of the noise as possible. Apparently these efforts have not been sufficient.<br> - <br> - ==Alternate view==</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ==Response==</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 40: </td> <td> Line 39: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + ==Rebuttal==</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-29 17:19:07rfrazier <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 126: </td> <td> Line 126: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I know this is a serious issue however your username makes your comment kind of funny. Also, what do you mean by "acting like a pirate?" - ["Users/rfrazier"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-29 16:23:18metalhead15Comment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 124: </td> <td> Line 124: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-01-29 15:23:18'' [[nbsp]] I live directly next to a preschool and it sucks. They are so loud in the morning. A lot of days some parent acting like a pirate comes and gets the kids all riled up and they start screaming super loudly at around 8 in the morning. I wish the caretakers were more responsible and did their best to keep them quite or inside during the early morning hours. I realize that kids need to play, but I also need to sleep. --["Users/metalhead15"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-28 20:48:04JohnathanQuigleyadded zoning info here, too. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 26: </td> <td> Line 26: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter, at least that's what they say, but a resident of Davis disagrees. This person has filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the Montessori Country Day center. '''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well. </td> <td> <span>+</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter, at least that's what they say, but a resident of Davis disagrees. This person has filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the Montessori Country Day center<span>&nbsp;since moving in around 2000. The facility was zoned in 1983 on a 3/4 acre parcel designated for a childcare facility for up to 144 children</span>. '''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-28 15:52:02PhilipNeustromput stuff here from featured pg <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 37: </td> <td> Line 37: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The sound report apparently states that the sound wall, which Montessori erected, would not work by itself. To date, Montessori has not followed all of the recommendations. Following the erection of the sound wall, further investigation by sound experts found that noise levels ''inside'' neighboring homes, through double-paned sound insulated windows reached as high as 90 decibels. For [http://www.dangerousdecibels.org/teachers_guide/DDB_TRG_Appendices_3.pdf reference], 90 decibels is about the same volume as a blender or a diesel truck running right next to you. It is also the maximum level of sound to which people can be exposed for 8 hours a day without causing hearing damage in 90% of people [http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=standards&amp;p_id=9735 according to OSHA]. [http://www.american-hearing.org/nihlcharts.html A normal conversation takes place at 60 to 70 decibels]; it takes a quarter of an hour of sustained exposure to sounds up to 115 decibels to cause hearing damage in 10% of people (again according to OSHA). It is also important to note the difference between peak level and sustained level. The <span>increased nois</span>e be<span>gins around</span> 8:30<span>&nbsp;AM, when the school opens, and continues sometimes as late as 7:30 PM.</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> The sound report apparently states that the sound wall, which Montessori erected, would not work by itself. To date, Montessori has not followed all of the recommendations. <span>&nbsp;The management of the child development center HAS erected a tall, soundproof fence and allegedly adjusted the schedule so that children do not go outside prior to 9am or after 5pm. The children are inside for several meals each day, as well as nap time and indoor activities. They are outside for a maximum total of 3 hours each day. There complaints come from a small group of individuals who chose to live near the pre-existing school. The neighbors' proposals call the children to stay 20 feet away from the fence, drastically limiting their play space, and for the building to be completely redesigned.</span> Following the erection of the sound wall, further investigation by sound experts found that noise levels ''inside'' neighboring homes, through double-paned sound insulated windows reached as high as 90 decibels. For [http://www.dangerousdecibels.org/teachers_guide/DDB_TRG_Appendices_3.pdf reference], 90 decibels is about the same volume as a blender or a diesel truck running right next to you. It is also the maximum level of sound to which people can be exposed for 8 hours a day without causing hearing damage in 90% of people [http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=standards&amp;p_id=9735 according to OSHA]. [http://www.american-hearing.org/nihlcharts.html A normal conversation takes place at 60 to 70 decibels]; it takes a quarter of an hour of sustained exposure to sounds up to 115 decibels to cause hearing damage in 10% of people (again according to OSHA). It is also important to note the difference between peak level and sustained level. <span>It is also important to note that there are current exemptions to the noise regulation in place for gardeners (with leaf blowers and lawn mowers), power tools, air conditioners, lawn mowers, etc. but not for children. Requiring playing children to comply with the noise regulations has implications for parks, playgrounds, public schools, and even children playing in their own backyards. </span>The <span>center is open from 7am to 6pm Monday through Friday, and closed on weekends. The children are not allowed to go outsid</span>e be<span>fore</span> 8:30<span>.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 40: </td> <td> Line 40: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-27 22:51:53JohnathanQuigleyAdded some info to mitigate emphasis placed on peak noise level <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 37: </td> <td> Line 37: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The sound report apparently states that the sound wall, which Montessori erected, would not work by itself. To date, Montessori has not followed all of the recommendations. Following the erection of the sound wall, further investigation by sound experts found that noise levels ''inside'' neighboring homes, through double-paned sound insulated windows reached as high as 90 decibels. For [http://www.dangerousdecibels.org/teachers_guide/DDB_TRG_Appendices_3.pdf reference], 90 decibels is about the same volume as a blender or a diesel truck running right next to you. <span>&nbsp;</span>It is <span>enough to cause permanent hearing damage within</span> 8 hours <span>of</span> exposure<span>. </span> The increased noise begins around 8:30 AM, when the school opens, and continues sometimes as late as 7:30 PM. </td> <td> <span>+</span> The sound report apparently states that the sound wall, which Montessori erected, would not work by itself. To date, Montessori has not followed all of the recommendations. Following the erection of the sound wall, further investigation by sound experts found that noise levels ''inside'' neighboring homes, through double-paned sound insulated windows reached as high as 90 decibels. For [http://www.dangerousdecibels.org/teachers_guide/DDB_TRG_Appendices_3.pdf reference], 90 decibels is about the same volume as a blender or a diesel truck running right next to you. It is <span>also the maximum level of sound to which people can be exposed for</span> 8 hours <span>a day without causing hearing damage in 90% of people [http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=standards&amp;p_id=9735 according to OSHA]. [http://www.american-hearing.org/nihlcharts.html A normal conversation takes place at 60 to 70 decibels]; it takes a quarter of an hour of sustained</span> exposure<span>&nbsp;to sounds up to 115 decibels to cause hearing damage in 10% of people (again according to OSHA). It is also important to note the difference between peak level and sustained level.</span> The increased noise begins around 8:30 AM, when the school opens, and continues sometimes as late as 7:30 PM. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-27 17:51:11TomGarbersonSubheading... probably needs a better name <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 30: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''</span>Alternate view<span>'':</span> ["The People's Vanguard of Davis" The Vanguard] has [http://www.davisvanguard.org/index.php?searchword=Montessori+noise&amp;ordering=&amp;searchphrase=all&amp;Itemid=1&amp;option=com_search written extensively on this topic]. The gist of the reports is that there are things about the layout of the school that amplify the noise of the children playing, and the school has ''not'' done everything that it was supposed to do to mitigate the noise. Note that excessive noise is bad for children, too, so this isn't just about the neighbors. So, while it might sound crazy to say that children playing can be too loud, you may wish to research the issue before making up your mind. </td> <td> <span>+ ==</span>Alternate view<span>==<br> +</span> ["The People's Vanguard of Davis" The Vanguard] has [http://www.davisvanguard.org/index.php?searchword=Montessori+noise&amp;ordering=&amp;searchphrase=all&amp;Itemid=1&amp;option=com_search written extensively on this topic]. The gist of the reports is that there are things about the layout of the school that amplify the noise of the children playing, and the school has ''not'' done everything that it was supposed to do to mitigate the noise. Note that excessive noise is bad for children, too, so this isn't just about the neighbors. So, while it might sound crazy to say that children playing can be too loud, you may wish to research the issue before making up your mind. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-27 17:49:28TomGarberson <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 32: </td> <td> Line 32: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> There [http://www.davisvanguard.org/index.php?searchword=Montessori+noise&amp;ordering=&amp;searchphrase=all&amp;Itemid=1&amp;option=com_search is a history of some 15 years of complaints] about the noise levels. After an investigation by sound experts, a set of recommendations were issued, and Montessori and the affected neighbors apparently agreed to share the costs of making the recommended changes. (Information on the cost sharing and/or total costs would be good!) </td> <td> <span>+</span> There [http://www.davisvanguard.org/index.php?searchword=Montessori+noise&amp;ordering=&amp;searchphrase=all&amp;Itemid=1&amp;option=com_search is a history of some 15 years of complaints] about the noise levels. After an investigation by sound experts, a set of recommendations were issued, and Montessori and the affected neighbors apparently agreed to share the costs of making the recommended changes. (Information on the cost sharing and/or total costs would be good!)<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;The problem is exacerbated by the design of the building and play area, which creates an echo chamber of sorts, amplifying the noise in the direction of the neighbors.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 36: </td> <td> Line 36: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The sound report apparently states that the sound wall, which Montessori erected, would not work by itself. To date, Montessori has not followed all of the recommendations. Following the erection of the sound wall, further investigation by sound experts found that noise levels ''inside'' neighboring homes, through double-paned sound insulated windows reached 90 decibels. For [http://www.dangerousdecibels.org/teachers_guide/DDB_TRG_Appendices_3.pdf reference], 90 decibels is about the same volume as a blender or a diesel truck running right next to you. It is enough to cause permanent hearing damage within 8 hours of exposure. </td> <td> <span>+</span> The sound report apparently states that the sound wall, which Montessori erected, would not work by itself. To date, Montessori has not followed all of the recommendations. Following the erection of the sound wall, further investigation by sound experts found that noise levels ''inside'' neighboring homes, through double-paned sound insulated windows reached<span>&nbsp;as high as</span> 90 decibels. For [http://www.dangerousdecibels.org/teachers_guide/DDB_TRG_Appendices_3.pdf reference], 90 decibels is about the same volume as a blender or a diesel truck running right next to you. It is enough to cause permanent hearing damage within 8 hours of exposure.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;The increased noise begins around 8:30 AM, when the school opens, and continues sometimes as late as 7:30 PM.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-27 16:23:25PhilipNeustromintegrated detail here - need to make sure we put good stuff on this pg <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 30: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''Alternate view'': ["The People's Vanguard of Davis" The Vanguard] has [http://www.davisvanguard.org/index.php?searchword=Montessori+noise&amp;ordering=&amp;searchphrase=all&amp;Itemid=1&amp;option=com_search written extensively on this topic]. The gist of the reports is that there are things about the layout of the school that amplify the noise of the children playing, and the school has ''not'' done everything that it was supposed to do to mitigate the noise. Note that excessive noise is bad for children, too, so this isn't just about the neighbors. So, while it might sound crazy to say that children playing can be too loud, you may wish to research the issue before making up your mind.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ''Alternate view'': ["The People's Vanguard of Davis" The Vanguard] has [http://www.davisvanguard.org/index.php?searchword=Montessori+noise&amp;ordering=&amp;searchphrase=all&amp;Itemid=1&amp;option=com_search written extensively on this topic]. The gist of the reports is that there are things about the layout of the school that amplify the noise of the children playing, and the school has ''not'' done everything that it was supposed to do to mitigate the noise. Note that excessive noise is bad for children, too, so this isn't just about the neighbors. So, while it might sound crazy to say that children playing can be too loud, you may wish to research the issue before making up your mind.<br> + <br> + There [http://www.davisvanguard.org/index.php?searchword=Montessori+noise&amp;ordering=&amp;searchphrase=all&amp;Itemid=1&amp;option=com_search is a history of some 15 years of complaints] about the noise levels. After an investigation by sound experts, a set of recommendations were issued, and Montessori and the affected neighbors apparently agreed to share the costs of making the recommended changes. (Information on the cost sharing and/or total costs would be good!)<br> + <br> + According to the Vanguard ([http://www.davisvanguard.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=3101:staff-report-on-noise-ordinance-exemption-is-baffling&amp;catid=54:law-enforcement&amp;Itemid=87 article]), recommendations "include building a sound wall, moving the exit doors further from residents, utilizing a covered play area with sound deadening panels, create a new concrete surface that will reduce noise from wheeled toys, change the tires on these toys to soft rubber, cordon off the rear area near the fence, relocate the current patio, and change the rear exit doors to emergency use only."<br> + <br> + The sound report apparently states that the sound wall, which Montessori erected, would not work by itself. To date, Montessori has not followed all of the recommendations. Following the erection of the sound wall, further investigation by sound experts found that noise levels ''inside'' neighboring homes, through double-paned sound insulated windows reached 90 decibels. For [http://www.dangerousdecibels.org/teachers_guide/DDB_TRG_Appendices_3.pdf reference], 90 decibels is about the same volume as a blender or a diesel truck running right next to you. It is enough to cause permanent hearing damage within 8 hours of exposure.<br> + <br> + To view some of the letters sent by neighbors of the Day Care Center, have a look at [http://www.davisvanguard.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=2688:noise-ordinance-exemption-aimed-at-political-favoritism&amp;catid=53:land-useopen-space&amp;Itemid=86 this Vanguard article].<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-27 15:44:35TomGarbersonComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 113: </td> <td> Line 113: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2010-01-27 14:44:35'' [[nbsp]] Re: the Montessori issue... 90 dB ''inside'' the houses? What do they have the kids doing at that daycare, flying jets? When I first read about the issue I rolled my eyes and thought it was ridiculous. But that's a lot of noise... --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-27 14:43:12CovertProfessor(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 30: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''Alternate view'': ["The People's Vanguard of Davis"] has [http://www.davisvanguard.org/index.php?searchword=Montessori+noise&amp;ordering=&amp;searchphrase=all&amp;Itemid=1&amp;option=com_search written extensively on this topic]. The gist of the reports is that there are things about the layout of the school that amplify the noise of the children playing, and the school has ''not'' done everything that it was supposed to do to mitigate the noise. Note that excessive noise is bad for children, too, so this isn't just about the neighbors. So, while it might sound crazy to say that children playing can be too loud, you may wish to research the issue before making up your mind. </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''Alternate view'': ["The People's Vanguard of Davis"<span>&nbsp;The Vanguard</span>] has [http://www.davisvanguard.org/index.php?searchword=Montessori+noise&amp;ordering=&amp;searchphrase=all&amp;Itemid=1&amp;option=com_search written extensively on this topic]. The gist of the reports is that there are things about the layout of the school that amplify the noise of the children playing, and the school has ''not'' done everything that it was supposed to do to mitigate the noise. Note that excessive noise is bad for children, too, so this isn't just about the neighbors. So, while it might sound crazy to say that children playing can be too loud, you may wish to research the issue before making up your mind. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-27 14:42:53CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 30: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''Alternate view'': ["The Vanguard of Davis"] has [http://www.davisvanguard.org/index.php?searchword=Montessori+noise&amp;ordering=&amp;searchphrase=all&amp;Itemid=1&amp;option=com_search written extensively on this topic]. The gist of the reports is that there are things about the layout of the school that amplify the noise of the children playing, and the school has ''not'' done everything that it was supposed to do to mitigate the noise. Note that excessive noise is bad for children, too, so this isn't just about the neighbors. So, while it might sound crazy to say that children playing can be too loud, you may wish to research the issue before making up your mind. </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''Alternate view'': ["The <span>People's </span>Vanguard of Davis"] has [http://www.davisvanguard.org/index.php?searchword=Montessori+noise&amp;ordering=&amp;searchphrase=all&amp;Itemid=1&amp;option=com_search written extensively on this topic]. The gist of the reports is that there are things about the layout of the school that amplify the noise of the children playing, and the school has ''not'' done everything that it was supposed to do to mitigate the noise. Note that excessive noise is bad for children, too, so this isn't just about the neighbors. So, while it might sound crazy to say that children playing can be too loud, you may wish to research the issue before making up your mind. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-27 14:41:56CovertProfessorsketching the alternate view <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + ''Alternate view'': ["The Vanguard of Davis"] has [http://www.davisvanguard.org/index.php?searchword=Montessori+noise&amp;ordering=&amp;searchphrase=all&amp;Itemid=1&amp;option=com_search written extensively on this topic]. The gist of the reports is that there are things about the layout of the school that amplify the noise of the children playing, and the school has ''not'' done everything that it was supposed to do to mitigate the noise. Note that excessive noise is bad for children, too, so this isn't just about the neighbors. So, while it might sound crazy to say that children playing can be too loud, you may wish to research the issue before making up your mind.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-27 12:08:23JohnathanQuigleyemails as necessary as "fighttheman.com" and ACLU links, moved to better spot. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 37: </td> <td> Line 37: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + If you would like to voice your opinion regarding the Montessori Day Care Center complaints, you can also email members of the City Council expressing your concern: Ruth Asmundson rasmundson@ci.davis.ca.us, Don Saylor dsaylor@ci.davis.ca.us, Sue Greenwald sgreenwald@ci.davis.ca.us, Lamar Heystek lheystek@ci.davis.ca.us, and Stephen Souza ssouza@ci.davis.ca.us.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-27 11:56:16WilliamLewisdon't need these email addresses <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 26: </td> <td> Line 26: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter, at least that's what they say, but a resident of Davis disagrees. This person has filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the Montessori Country Day center. '''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well.<span>&nbsp;You can also email members of the City Council expressing your concern: Ruth Asmundson rasmundson@ci.davis.ca.us, Don Saylor dsaylor@ci.davis.ca.us, Sue Greenwald sgreenwald@ci.davis.ca.us, Lamar Heystek lheystek@ci.davis.ca.us, and Stephen Souza ssouza@ci.davis.ca.us.</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter, at least that's what they say, but a resident of Davis disagrees. This person has filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the Montessori Country Day center. '''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well. </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 28: </td> <td> Line 28: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The Day Care center has made accommodations to try and please the irritated neighbor, including reducing recess time and installing a wall to block as much of the noise as possible. Apparently these efforts have not been sufficient. </td> <td> <span>+</span> The Day Care center has made accommodations to try and please the irritated neighbor<span>s</span>, including reducing recess time and installing a wall to block as much of the noise as possible. Apparently these efforts have not been sufficient. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-27 11:52:23JohnathanQuigley <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 26: </td> <td> Line 26: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter, at least that's what they say, but a resident of Davis disagrees. This person has filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the Montessori Country Day center. '''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well. You can also email members of the City Council expressing your concern: Ruth Asmundson rasmundson@ci.davis.ca.us, Don Saylor dsaylor@ci.davis.ca.us, Sue Greenwald sgreenwald@ci.davis.ca.us, Lamar Heystek lheystek@ci.davis.ca.us, and Stephen Souza ssouza@ci.davis.ca.us </td> <td> <span>+</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter, at least that's what they say, but a resident of Davis disagrees. This person has filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the Montessori Country Day center. '''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well. You can also email members of the City Council expressing your concern: Ruth Asmundson rasmundson@ci.davis.ca.us, Don Saylor dsaylor@ci.davis.ca.us, Sue Greenwald sgreenwald@ci.davis.ca.us, Lamar Heystek lheystek@ci.davis.ca.us, and Stephen Souza ssouza@ci.davis.ca.us<span>.<br> + <br> + The Day Care center has made accommodations to try and please the irritated neighbor, including reducing recess time and installing a wall to block as much of the noise as possible. Apparently these efforts have not been sufficient.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-27 11:50:35JohnathanQuigley <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 26: </td> <td> Line 26: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter, at least that's what they say, but a resident of Davis disagrees. This person has filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the Montessori Country Day center. '''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well. </td> <td> <span>+</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter, at least that's what they say, but a resident of Davis disagrees. This person has filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the Montessori Country Day center. '''The issue will be discussed in the Tuesday, February 2, 2010 city council meeting at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p.m.''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well.<span>&nbsp;You can also email members of the City Council expressing your concern: Ruth Asmundson rasmundson@ci.davis.ca.us, Don Saylor dsaylor@ci.davis.ca.us, Sue Greenwald sgreenwald@ci.davis.ca.us, Lamar Heystek lheystek@ci.davis.ca.us, and Stephen Souza ssouza@ci.davis.ca.us</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-27 11:38:38WilliamLewis <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 14: </td> <td> Line 14: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The text of the Davis city noise regulations can be found in [http://www.city.davis.ca.us/cmo/citycode/chapter.cfm?chapter=24 chapter 24] of the Davis Municipal Code. There are plenty of provisions in there about allowed noise levels at the property plane, measured in [wiki:wikipedia:"A-weighted" dBA]. '''Ignore them'''. Cops don't carry sound level meters; they'd just be another piece of equipment to maintain, keep calibrated, and keep certified. Even if they did, the limits given in the law are insanely low and the ambient noise level regularly exceeds them. No, the provision you should care about is the '''Davis General Noise Prohibition''' found in [http://www.cityofdavis.org/cmo/citycode/detail.cfm?p=24&amp;q=1000 DMC 24.05.010]. The gist of it is that if there is a complaint and the officers that respond think the noise is unreasonable (there are guidelines given in the statute), they can issue a ticket. There is a huge amount of discretion in issuing the ticket, so if you're faced with one, be nice. You won't be able to successfully fight it, notwithstanding some really obvious misconduct on the part of the officer issuing it. </td> <td> <span>+</span> The text of the Davis city noise regulations can be found in [http://www.city.davis.ca.us/cmo/citycode/chapter.cfm?chapter=24 chapter 24] of the Davis Municipal Code. There are plenty of provisions in there about allowed noise levels at the property plane, measured in [wiki:wikipedia:"A-weighted" dBA]. '''Ignore them'''. Cops don't carry sound level meters; they'd just be another piece of equipment to maintain, keep calibrated, and keep certified. Even if they did, the limits given in the law are insanely low and the ambient noise level regularly exceeds them. No, the provision you should care about is the '''Davis General Noise Prohibition''' found in [http://www.cityofdavis.org/cmo/citycode/detail.cfm?p=24&amp;q=1000 DMC 24.05.010]. <span>When someone gets a noise violation, this is the ordinance that the police use. </span>The gist of it is that if there is a complaint and the officers that respond think the noise is unreasonable (there are guidelines given in the statute), they can issue a ticket. There is a huge amount of discretion in issuing the ticket, so if you're faced with one, be nice<span>&nbsp;and you may avoid the writeup</span>. You won't be able to successfully fight it, notwithstanding some really obvious misconduct on the part of the officer issuing it. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-27 11:26:39JohnathanQuigley <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 26: </td> <td> Line 26: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter, at least that's what they say, but a resident of Davis disagrees. This person has filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the Montessori Country Day center. '''The issue will be discussed in the February 2, 2010 city council meeting.''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well. </td> <td> <span>+</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter, at least that's what they say, but a resident of Davis disagrees. This person has filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the Montessori Country Day center. '''The issue will be discussed in the<span>&nbsp;Tuesday,</span> February 2, 2010 city council meeting<span>&nbsp;at City Chambers, 23 Russell Blvd at 6:30 p</span>.<span>m.</span>''' While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-27 11:24:46JohnathanQuigley <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 26: </td> <td> Line 26: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter, at least that's what they say, but a resident of Davis disagrees. This person has filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the Montessori Country Day center. The issue will be discussed in the February 2, 2010 city council meeting. While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well. </td> <td> <span>+</span> There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter, at least that's what they say, but a resident of Davis disagrees. This person has filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the Montessori Country Day center. <span>'''</span>The issue will be discussed in the February 2, 2010 city council meeting.<span>'''</span> While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-27 11:21:34JohnathanQuigley <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p>No differences found!</div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2010-01-27 11:21:23JohnathanQuigley <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 23: </td> <td> Line 23: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + = Complaints Against Daycare Centers =<br> + <br> + There is nothing like the sound of a child's laughter, at least that's what they say, but a resident of Davis disagrees. This person has filed multiple complaints about the noise levels during recess at the Montessori Country Day center. The issue will be discussed in the February 2, 2010 city council meeting. While the complaints are against this specific facility, a precedent of placing limits on recess could apply to other Davis schools and day cares as well.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2009-03-28 17:45:18nosomeyComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 101: </td> <td> Line 101: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2009-03-28 17:45:18'' [[nbsp]] I think that people need to be respectful of others no matter what time of the day. I don't want to hear music while I am trying to read or get some rest. There is a time and place for everything but if you are in a shared housing situation, it doesn't hurt to think about others. The students will be back today or tommorow from spring break. This was a good week because the building has been quite and almost empty. I am dreading their arrival. Back to their loud noises and stomping up and down the stairs. --["Users/nosomey"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2009-03-25 19:18:44RachelCat <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 100: </td> <td> Line 100: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2009-3-24 18:51:17'' [[nbsp]] What about barking dogs? Is there something that can be done about them? I live in Sacramento, but am moving to Davis in a week. This has been a problem for me. I know that they are probably just lonely being left home alone all day, but I work at home and have found I cannot work around barking dogs :( I can go to a coffee shop some days, but it feels like being driven from my own home... <span>Help!</span> --["Users/RachelCat"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2009-3-24 18:51:17'' [[nbsp]] What about barking dogs? Is there something that can be done about them? I live in Sacramento, but am moving to Davis in a week. This has been a problem for me. I know that they are probably just lonely being left home alone all day, but I work at home and have found I cannot work around barking dogs :( I can go to a coffee shop some days, but it feels like being driven from my own home... <span>Thoughts?</span> --["Users/RachelCat"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2009-03-25 14:37:13RachelCat <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 99: </td> <td> Line 99: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2009-3-24 18:51:17'' [[nbsp]] What about barking dogs? Is there something that can be done about them? I live in Sacramento, but am moving to Davis in a week. This has been a problem for me. I know that they are probably just lonely being left home alone all day, but I work at home and have found I cannot work around barking dogs :( I can go to a coffee shop some days, but it feels like being driven from my own home... Help! --["Users/RachelCat"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2008-11-29 21:51:17DanaMaceComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 97: </td> <td> Line 97: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2008-11-29 20:51:17'' [[nbsp]] Honestly, it's not that hard to have a good party with your friends without waking up half the neighborhood or irritating people around you. As long as you're not blasting the music, running around screaming, or howling at the moon it's kind of hard to attract attention. Most often what annoys me about my neighbors having parties is not ambient noise like talking or music playing, but yelling, whooping, or cheering. I can understand the appeal of parties and I enjoy going to them and being a little crazy as well. But on the other hand, I shouldn't have to miss out on sleep Thursday nights when my neighbors want to stand on their balcony or chill in the backyards and whoop it up. --["Users/DanaMace"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2008-09-13 13:23:07WilliamLewisreorg <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 8: </td> <td> Line 8: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ||Davis PD: (530)747-5400|| </td> <td> <span>+</span> ||Davis PD: (530)<span>&nbsp;</span>747-5400|| </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 12: </td> <td> Line 12: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- '''[http://www.city.davis.ca.us/cmo/citycode/chapter.cfm?chapter=24 Noise Violation Code]'''</span> </td> <td> <span>+ The close quarters between students and people who work for a living/pay municipal taxes, have forced the city to respond by creating noise codes to help solve friction between students, or for that matter anyone looking to create a loud disturbance on weekends, and other Davis residents.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 14: </td> <td> Line 14: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- The close quarters between students and people who work for a living/pay municipal taxes, have forced the city to respond by creating noise ["Davis Municipal Code/24" codes] to help solve friction between students, or for that matter anyone looking to create a loud disturbance on weekends, and other Davis residents.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ The text of the Davis city noise regulations can be found in [http://www.city.davis.ca.us/cmo/citycode/chapter.cfm?chapter=24 chapter 24] of the Davis Municipal Code. There are plenty of provisions in there about allowed noise levels at the property plane, measured in [wiki:wikipedia:"A-weighted" dBA]. '''Ignore them'''. Cops don't carry sound level meters; they'd just be another piece of equipment to maintain, keep calibrated, and keep certified. Even if they did, the limits given in the law are insanely low and the ambient noise level regularly exceeds them. No, the provision you should care about is the '''Davis General Noise Prohibition''' found in [http://www.cityofdavis.org/cmo/citycode/detail.cfm?p=24&amp;q=1000 DMC 24.05.010]. The gist of it is that if there is a complaint and the officers that respond think the noise is unreasonable (there are guidelines given in the statute), they can issue a ticket. There is a huge amount of discretion in issuing the ticket, so if you're faced with one, be nice. You won't be able to successfully fight it, notwithstanding some really obvious misconduct on the part of the officer issuing it.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 16: </td> <td> Line 16: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- The amount of noise you can make varies ["Davis Municipal Code/24.02.020" depending on the time of day].</span> </td> <td> <span>+ A noise violation usually costs a little under $200. If you know you are going to be making a lot of noise, you can avoid getting a noise violation by applying for a noise permit. If your house has already received a noise violation then the police will probably not issue you a noise permit. The most ''concise'' information on the law for issuing noise violations as well as how to obtain a permit can be found in the city's [http://www.city.davis.ca.us/police/pdfs/forms/Noise_Permit_Application_and_Instructions.pdf Noise Permit Application].</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 18: </td> <td> Line 18: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- A noise violation usually costs a little under $200. </span> If you are at a party and a noise violation is issued, it's good form to make a contribution to the cost if you can. Better yet, make sure to comply promptly if you are asked by the host to keep it down or to go inside (many noise violations are issued for noise from somebody's back yard). </td> <td> <span>+</span> If you are at a party and a noise violation is issued, it's good form to make a contribution to the cost if you can. Better yet, make sure to comply promptly if you are asked by the host to keep it down or to go inside (many noise violations are issued for noise from somebody's back yard).<span>&nbsp;If a residence breaks the noise ordinance, the officer may cite every individual on the residence with a noise violation</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 20: </td> <td> Line 20: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- If a residence breaks the noise ordinance, the officer may cite every individual on the residence with a noise violation.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ Davis gained some notoriety for issuing a noise violation to someone who was ["snoring"]. In the mid 90's, shortly after the first noise ordinance went in to effect, DJ Jeyson (now in San Diego), Chris Doherty (a.k.a Chris Sequioa), et al, got their neighbor, Sari Zayed, cited for snoring too loudly. More can be found out in this dusty ancient ["Usenet FAQ" Davis, CA FAQ] and [http://www.google.com/search?q=snoring+davis+%22noise+ordinance%22 here]. This citation was issued under a since-repealed law that required a police officer to issue a citation if the complainant insisted and left no room for discretion.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 22: </td> <td> Line 22: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- You can try to avoid getting a noise violation by applying for a noise permit. Don't be rude to the ["Police" Noise Police], as they are there to serve both you and the needs of others living in Davis.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ Contrary to some rumors, there is not a noise abatement unit within the Davis Police Department. There ''is'' one guy who chooses to handle most of the noise calls, which may be what gave birth to the rumors.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 24: </td> <td> Line 24: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- Davis is famous for issuing a noise violation to someone who was ["snoring"].<br> - <br> - The most ''concise'' information on the law for issuing noise violations as well as how to obtain a permit can be found in the city's [http://www.city.davis.ca.us/police/pdfs/forms/Noise_Permit_Application_and_Instructions.pdf Noise Permit Application].<br> - <br> - * One note about noise permits. If your house has already received a noise violation then the police will not issue you a noise permit. - ["Users/RobRoy"]<br> - <br> - ''(It might be good to translate over the 3 types of violations to this page at some point)''<br> - <br> - An enterprising soul with access to research equipment and a history with the Noise Violation officer once made a survey of several Davis locales using a decibel meter. His conclusion was that on most streets at most times the ambient noise is louder than the Noise Violation threshold. So don't expect to be able to argue that your party wasn't actually loud enough to qualify.<br> - <br> - As a note of interest, shortly after the noise ordinance went in to effect in the mid 90's, there were some very angry people, amongst them DJ Jeyson (now in San Diego) and Chris Doherty (a.k.a Chris Sequioa), who cited a neighbor, Sari Zayed, for ["Snoring"] too loudly. More can be found out in this dusty ancient ["Usenet FAQ" Davis, CA FAQ] and [http://www.google.com/search?q=snoring+davis+%22noise+ordinance%22 here].<br> - <br> - == Exemptions ==<br> - 1. Emergencies/Safety Equipment<br> - 1. Air conditioners<br> - 1. Noncommercial power tool use (8AM-8PM)<br> - 1. Construction equipment (7AM-7PM M-F, 8AM-8PM weekends)<br> - 1. Leaf blowers (7AM-7PM M-F, 8AM-8PM weekends)<br> - <br> - Note: the limit for leaf blowers is 70 dBA at 25 feet away, while something such as a party is limited to 55 dBA during daylight hours (7AM-9PM) at 20 feet away. The night time residential limit is 50 dBA.<br> - <br> - -----<br> - '''Stand Up For Your Rights!'''</span> </td> <td> <span>+ = Stand Up For Your Rights! =</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2008-08-09 17:45:23HannahReff <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 119: </td> <td> Line 119: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2008-08-09 17:44:25'' [[nbsp]] talk about consideration...maybe you all should have considered what you were getting yourselves into when you moved to a college town. you could've at least chosen a town with an all-girls school. i won't apologize for disturbing you with our antiquated mating rituals. grow up, get a real job, move out.</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2008-08-09 17:44:49HannahReff <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 119: </td> <td> Line 119: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2008-08-09 17:44:25'' [[nbsp]] talk about consideration...maybe you all should have considered what you were getting yourselves into when you moved to a college town. you could've at least chosen a town with an all-girls school. i won't apologize for disturbing you with our antiquated mating rituals. grow up, get a real job, move out.<span>&nbsp;--["Users/HannahReff"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2008-08-09 17:44:25'' [[nbsp]] talk about consideration...maybe you all should have considered what you were getting yourselves into when you moved to a college town. you could've at least chosen a town with an all-girls school. i won't apologize for disturbing you with our antiquated mating rituals. grow up, get a real job, move out. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2008-08-09 17:44:25HannahReffComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 118: </td> <td> Line 118: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2008-08-09 17:44:25'' [[nbsp]] talk about consideration...maybe you all should have considered what you were getting yourselves into when you moved to a college town. you could've at least chosen a town with an all-girls school. i won't apologize for disturbing you with our antiquated mating rituals. grow up, get a real job, move out. --["Users/HannahReff"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2008-07-10 13:31:11JasonAllerlink fixes <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 11: </td> <td> Line 11: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 28: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * One note about noise permits. If your house has already received a noise violation then the police will not issue you a noise permit. - ["RobRoy"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * One note about noise permits. If your house has already received a noise violation then the police will not issue you a noise permit. - ["<span>Users/</span>RobRoy"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 57: </td> <td> Line 56: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2004-12-20 09:36:32'' [[nbsp]] After having a performance of our kids band shut down when they had a permit and had only been playing for 15 minutes, I've often wondered what would happen if I called the police and complained that the noise from Toomey Field or from the Davis High School football field was bothering me! Think they'd shut down the game? I doubt it! - ["BevSykes"]<br> <span>-</span> Dude, try it! - ["KenjiYamada"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2004-12-20 09:36:32'' [[nbsp]] After having a performance of our kids band shut down when they had a permit and had only been playing for 15 minutes, I've often wondered what would happen if I called the police and complained that the noise from Toomey Field or from the Davis High School football field was bothering me! Think they'd shut down the game? I doubt it! - ["<span>Users/</span>BevSykes"]<br> <span>+</span> Dude, try it! - ["<span>Users/</span>KenjiYamada"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 60: </td> <td> Line 59: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2004-12-20 15:12:43'' [[nbsp]] ["Pirate Ship" My house] has followed the rules and tried to get noise permits and after paying the 25 dollar fee to file for one (and telling all our neighbors) we fail every time. - ["RobRoy"]<br> <span>-</span> Have you ever figured out who is filing the complaints? If they aren't public, are you sure you aren't being (illegally, it seems, according to the above) hassled directly by the police department? - ["JabberWokky"]<span>------</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2004-12-20 15:12:43'' [[nbsp]] ["Pirate Ship" My house] has followed the rules and tried to get noise permits and after paying the 25 dollar fee to file for one (and telling all our neighbors) we fail every time. - ["<span>Users/</span>RobRoy"]<br> <span>+</span> Have you ever figured out who is filing the complaints? If they aren't public, are you sure you aren't being (illegally, it seems, according to the above) hassled directly by the police department? - ["<span>Users/</span>JabberWokky"]<span><br> + ------</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 64: </td> <td> Line 64: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> We have had bands playing in our living room (after we put sound board and mattresses against the windows and doors) and then asked our ["Mature Davisites" next-door neighbor] if everything is all right and she has said, "I can't hear a thing." --["RobRoy"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> We have had bands playing in our living room (after we put sound board and mattresses against the windows and doors) and then asked our ["Mature Davisites" next-door neighbor] if everything is all right and she has said, "I can't hear a thing." --["<span>Users/</span>RobRoy"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 66: </td> <td> Line 66: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> We had actually JUST asked the next door neighbor if she could hear anything the NIGHT both joe and i got noise violations, to which she answered 'i can't hear anything'. however, we've since decided that it was not the music but the people out back making enough noise to bother the neighbors. regardless, the police officer who wrote both tickets broke several regulations and behaved EXTREMELY rude to me, even though i was being perfectly cooperative in accepting the ticket, in fact, he went as far to write joe a ticket as well, just for walking up to ask what was going on. My court date is next week, and we'll see what happens. --["LisaDavis"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> We had actually JUST asked the next door neighbor if she could hear anything the NIGHT both joe and i got noise violations, to which she answered 'i can't hear anything'. however, we've since decided that it was not the music but the people out back making enough noise to bother the neighbors. regardless, the police officer who wrote both tickets broke several regulations and behaved EXTREMELY rude to me, even though i was being perfectly cooperative in accepting the ticket, in fact, he went as far to write joe a ticket as well, just for walking up to ask what was going on. My court date is next week, and we'll see what happens. --["<span>Users/</span>LisaDavis"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 68: </td> <td> Line 68: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2004-12-21 21:13:04'' [[nbsp]] If the ambient level of noise exceeding the permissible level is indeed the truth, I wonder if the rule would stand in court? hmm.. I might just help someone fight one of these just to find out. - ["JaimeRaba"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2004-12-21 21:13:04'' [[nbsp]] If the ambient level of noise exceeding the permissible level is indeed the truth, I wonder if the rule would stand in court? hmm.. I might just help someone fight one of these just to find out. - ["<span>Users/</span>JaimeRaba"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 70: </td> <td> Line 70: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2005-02-16 00:59:10'' [[nbsp]] In case people don't know, you can view police logs, and the secret version that has names of reporting parties and arrestees at http://cityofdavis.org/police/log/press. Use wisely =) --["ChristianDanielsen"]<br> <span>-</span> * Anyone know the updated link? The one above is broken/outdated. --["TusharRawat" T]<br> <span>-</span> * [http://cityofdavis.org/police/log/], it is now much less user friendly. -- ["JasonAller"]<br> <span>-</span> Be sure to e-mail the webmaster and tell him/her that the old way was better and that if they were a federal entity, they'd be violating section 508. It may not be required for them, but maintaining accessibility should always be a top priority for government webmasters. --["WilliamLewis"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2005-02-16 00:59:10'' [[nbsp]] In case people don't know, you can view police logs, and the secret version that has names of reporting parties and arrestees at http://cityofdavis.org/police/log/press. Use wisely =) --["<span>Users/</span>ChristianDanielsen"]<br> <span>+</span> * Anyone know the updated link? The one above is broken/outdated. --["<span>Users/</span>TusharRawat" T]<br> <span>+</span> * [http://cityofdavis.org/police/log/], it is now much less user friendly. -- ["<span>Users/</span>JasonAller"]<br> <span>+</span> Be sure to e-mail the webmaster and tell him/her that the old way was better and that if they were a federal entity, they'd be violating section 508. It may not be required for them, but maintaining accessibility should always be a top priority for government webmasters. --["<span>Users/</span>WilliamLewis"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 75: </td> <td> Line 75: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2005-02-16 11:48:12'' [[nbsp]] My husband used to build theatre sets in our driveway. The table saw has to go off at 10 p.m. because of the noise ordinance. This one night he had one more cut to make at 10:02 and did it, then was in the process of cleaning up and by 10:05, the police were in the driveway saying someone had complained about a noise violation!! --["BevSykes"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2005-02-16 11:48:12'' [[nbsp]] My husband used to build theatre sets in our driveway. The table saw has to go off at 10 p.m. because of the noise ordinance. This one night he had one more cut to make at 10:02 and did it, then was in the process of cleaning up and by 10:05, the police were in the driveway saying someone had complained about a noise violation!! --["<span>Users/</span>BevSykes"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 77: </td> <td> Line 77: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2005-05-30 05:37:06'' [[nbsp]] What would need to get done to overturn this ["Davis Municipal Code/24.02.020" code]? Couldn't a ballot measure stop it? And if only the students bothered to vote in local elections ... --["ChristopherMckenzie"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2005-05-30 05:37:06'' [[nbsp]] What would need to get done to overturn this ["Davis Municipal Code/24.02.020" code]? Couldn't a ballot measure stop it? And if only the students bothered to vote in local elections ... --["<span>Users/</span>ChristopherMckenzie"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 79: </td> <td> Line 79: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> I have fought with Amtrak for two years to get them to turn off, or at least turn way down their automated P.A. system that is right across from my neighborhood. I started with the police, but they said it doesn't violate the noise code. Even though it is so loud it rattles your soul and broadcast at 4:30 AM until midnight seven days a week, it still doesn't violate the code. I did, finally get Amtrak to turn it down some what, but it's still too loud. I guess if you have lots of money to give the city, you can make all the noise you want. --["WayneSchiller"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> I have fought with Amtrak for two years to get them to turn off, or at least turn way down their automated P.A. system that is right across from my neighborhood. I started with the police, but they said it doesn't violate the noise code. Even though it is so loud it rattles your soul and broadcast at 4:30 AM until midnight seven days a week, it still doesn't violate the code. I did, finally get Amtrak to turn it down some what, but it's still too loud. I guess if you have lots of money to give the city, you can make all the noise you want. --["<span>Users/</span>WayneSchiller"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 81: </td> <td> Line 81: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> *Did they only start using the public address system after you moved there? -- ["JasonAller"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> *Did they only start using the public address system after you moved there? -- ["<span>Users/</span>JasonAller"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 83: </td> <td> Line 83: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> *Yes. I have lived here for 4+ years and the P.A. went up about 2 years ago. Everyone who lives near the tracks learns to live with the rhythmic, albeit sometimes annoying, clickity clack of the trains. Usually that's a noise one can roll with, but a screeching voice randomly announcing arrivals and departures of trains all day will drive a person batty. Like I said, some progress has been made, enough to stop me from going to small claims court and suing for nuisance, which I could do, but I wanted to point out how money is the key to legal immunity. ["Wayne<span>&nbsp;</span>Schiller"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> *Yes. I have lived here for 4+ years and the P.A. went up about 2 years ago. Everyone who lives near the tracks learns to live with the rhythmic, albeit sometimes annoying, clickity clack of the trains. Usually that's a noise one can roll with, but a screeching voice randomly announcing arrivals and departures of trains all day will drive a person batty. Like I said, some progress has been made, enough to stop me from going to small claims court and suing for nuisance, which I could do, but I wanted to point out how money is the key to legal immunity. ["<span>Users/</span>WayneSchiller"<span>&nbsp;Wayne Schiller</span>] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 85: </td> <td> Line 85: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> *Thanks, that is an important part of your story. It might be a good idea to double check ["Davis Municipal Code/24" the relevant code]. -- ["JasonAller"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> *Thanks, that is an important part of your story. It might be a good idea to double check ["Davis Municipal Code/24" the relevant code]. -- ["<span>Users/</span>JasonAller"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 87: </td> <td> Line 87: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2006-03-04 03:41:30'' [[nbsp]] Update on Amtrak noise: Perseverance prevailed! I bugged the right people, after researching who had the power to change things, and they turned the PA speakers away from my neighborhood. The people who work in the station are a mix of cool and uncool, but the boss did the right thing. Lesson: Persevere. --["WayneSchiller"]<br> <span>-</span> *Congratulations -- ["JasonAller"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2006-03-04 03:41:30'' [[nbsp]] Update on Amtrak noise: Perseverance prevailed! I bugged the right people, after researching who had the power to change things, and they turned the PA speakers away from my neighborhood. The people who work in the station are a mix of cool and uncool, but the boss did the right thing. Lesson: Persevere. --["<span>Users/</span>WayneSchiller"]<br> <span>+</span> *Congratulations -- ["<span>Users/</span>JasonAller"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 90: </td> <td> Line 90: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2005-09-26 05:02:59'' [[nbsp]] Anyone know why the Grad doesn't get noise violations? they are in a residential area and are far louder than any house party I've been to or heard. --["CraigBrozinsky"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2005-09-26 05:02:59'' [[nbsp]] Anyone know why the Grad doesn't get noise violations? they are in a residential area and are far louder than any house party I've been to or heard. --["<span>Users/</span>CraigBrozinsky"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 92: </td> <td> Line 92: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2005-09-26 08:02:15'' [[nbsp]] This may be emotionally shot down, but shouldn't there be some information on this page about how to file a noise complaint? The "oh don't worry, we'll find YOU" contact info is cute, but there might be a time when you want actually file one (a note about contacting the person directly first might be nice). --["JabberWokky"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2005-09-26 08:02:15'' [[nbsp]] This may be emotionally shot down, but shouldn't there be some information on this page about how to file a noise complaint? The "oh don't worry, we'll find YOU" contact info is cute, but there might be a time when you want actually file one (a note about contacting the person directly first might be nice). --["<span>Users/</span>JabberWokky"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 95: </td> <td> Line 95: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2006-08-11 05:31:49'' [[nbsp]] I found out my roommate wanted to call the cops when I had 2 friends over late into the morning (1am-5am) and we were playing music and telling jokes and laughing. If the police came, would that have been sufficient to get us a ticket? I am pretty sure the neighbors could hear us, but we weren't even 1/4 as loud as the Grad gets... Whats the scoop? --["SamWard"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2006-08-11 05:31:49'' [[nbsp]] I found out my roommate wanted to call the cops when I had 2 friends over late into the morning (1am-5am) and we were playing music and telling jokes and laughing. If the police came, would that have been sufficient to get us a ticket? I am pretty sure the neighbors could hear us, but we weren't even 1/4 as loud as the Grad gets... Whats the scoop? --["<span>Users/</span>SamWard"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 97: </td> <td> Line 97: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2006-10-29 16:09:17'' [[nbsp]] If the police come to your party, they will ask to see ALL your housemates, fuck that.... DO NOT COMPLY. It's part of their sneakly little trick to rape you financially. They will herd you outside to talk to them and THEN tell you they can give EACH of you one or multiple violations. Only send one person out, tell them everyone else is out of town. Also, it is a law unique to Davis (what a GREAT CITY!!) that upon your 3rd violation within one year you will be arrested on misdemeanor charges. They will give you three tickets in one night if you do not comply. ["BrendanBoyle" Brendan Boyle' and myself received four tickets (two each) on 10/20. The total charges could exceed $1,000-- Tells you something about the kind of people running this town. I'd propose an alternate solution. The Davis Noise Ordinance should be a supply of earplugs to each resident. --["AndyPastalaniec"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2006-10-29 16:09:17'' [[nbsp]] If the police come to your party, they will ask to see ALL your housemates, fuck that.... DO NOT COMPLY. It's part of their sneakly little trick to rape you financially. They will herd you outside to talk to them and THEN tell you they can give EACH of you one or multiple violations. Only send one person out, tell them everyone else is out of town. Also, it is a law unique to Davis (what a GREAT CITY!!) that upon your 3rd violation within one year you will be arrested on misdemeanor charges. They will give you three tickets in one night if you do not comply. ["<span>Users/</span>BrendanBoyle" Brendan Boyle' and myself received four tickets (two each) on 10/20. The total charges could exceed $1,000-- Tells you something about the kind of people running this town. I'd propose an alternate solution. The Davis Noise Ordinance should be a supply of earplugs to each resident. --["<span>Users/</span>AndyPastalaniec"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 101: </td> <td> Line 101: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Well, obviously you discriminate against anything that happens after 10pm if someone under 30 is involved. Several days out of the week I'm woken up by screaming children, power tools and various other civically supported disturbances. I never complain-- well I can't because they're family oriented, suburban noises and the city supports them because those are the sorts of people who control the city-- but even if the law was on my side I'd throw in some ear plugs and go back to sleep. That's being a polite, flexible neighbor. When I received the above violations I was having three to four social events at my house annually. They ran late, and they were quite loud but all attendants were peaceful and harmless. My neighbors prevent me from getting some extra sleep every single weekend. The problem here is unreasonable neighbors and egregious police. Whenever we've held an event that goes past 10pm we notify every house that borders our own. Personally, I think it's a character flaw to call the police before calling your neighbor. You think I lack compassion or courtesy, the person who called on my house cost me $925 and I'm still not sleeping past 8am on the weekend. --["AndyPastalaniec"]<span><br> - </span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> Well, obviously you discriminate against anything that happens after 10pm if someone under 30 is involved. Several days out of the week I'm woken up by screaming children, power tools and various other civically supported disturbances. I never complain-- well I can't because they're family oriented, suburban noises and the city supports them because those are the sorts of people who control the city-- but even if the law was on my side I'd throw in some ear plugs and go back to sleep. That's being a polite, flexible neighbor. When I received the above violations I was having three to four social events at my house annually. They ran late, and they were quite loud but all attendants were peaceful and harmless. My neighbors prevent me from getting some extra sleep every single weekend. The problem here is unreasonable neighbors and egregious police. Whenever we've held an event that goes past 10pm we notify every house that borders our own. Personally, I think it's a character flaw to call the police before calling your neighbor. You think I lack compassion or courtesy, the person who called on my house cost me $925 and I'm still not sleeping past 8am on the weekend. --["<span>Users/</span>AndyPastalaniec"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 104: </td> <td> Line 103: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> There's a lot of complaining here about the sound ordinance, but why does it exist? I don't know the history, but it seems to me that it's a result of undergrads being unaware or unconcerned about how their noises disturb their neighbors. I've had to deal with my undergrad neighbors multiple times playing basketball in the street at around 1 and 2am, loud parties that end with brawls in the street, and cars that in the middle of the night park with their basses thumping away (and this is in "quiet" West Davis). I'm happy that the ordinance is available to reduce the number of nights my neighbors will keep me awake. --["JimEvans"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> There's a lot of complaining here about the sound ordinance, but why does it exist? I don't know the history, but it seems to me that it's a result of undergrads being unaware or unconcerned about how their noises disturb their neighbors. I've had to deal with my undergrad neighbors multiple times playing basketball in the street at around 1 and 2am, loud parties that end with brawls in the street, and cars that in the middle of the night park with their basses thumping away (and this is in "quiet" West Davis). I'm happy that the ordinance is available to reduce the number of nights my neighbors will keep me awake. --["<span>Users/</span>JimEvans"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2008-06-07 22:38:54IDoNotExistComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 117: </td> <td> Line 117: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2008-06-07 22:38:54'' [[nbsp]] A good way to think about it is that if you are causing someone else to be impacted through your actions (through loud noise, for example), it is your responsibility to take whatever steps are needed to mitigate the effects of your actions on others. It's not *their* fault that you decided to have a loud party, or otherwise be loud. And although you might find it perfectly reasonable to be loud at &lt;fill in your favorite time of day to be loud here&gt;, the people around you may be trying to sleep or study or have responsibilities early in the morning (such as a job or class) that they need to be well rested for. Or, they may just not appreciate hearing whatever noise you decide to make because, for whatever reason, it disturbs them. It's not different than if you ran a polluting factory - it isn't the responsibility of everyone around your factory to go out and buy respirators so that their lungs aren't damaged because you choose to pollute the air they breath. It's your responsibility to ensure that you don't dump pollutants into the air in the first place. If you aren't disturbing anyone, then don't worry about making noise. But if you live close to other people (like most people in Davis do), be considerate and assume that if you are loud, you will be disturbing them. If you choose to be inconsiderate, then you should expect that they will take whatever steps are reasonable to get you to stop disturbing them, including those listed on this page. --["Users/IDoNotExist"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2008-02-06 21:03:33StevenDaubertComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 113: </td> <td> Line 113: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2008-02-06 20:03:33'' [[nbsp]] note, I don't feel like leaving this under the alternate viewpoint, I just stuck it in the comments<br> + <br> + It's true your under no obligation, but that a 10 on the shady factor... Don't be a punk, and only call the cops if you've tried politely and rationally discussing the issue... --["Users/StevenDaubert"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2008-02-06 14:57:39SharlaDaly <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 112: </td> <td> Line 112: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2008-02-06 13:57:10'' [[nbsp]] The noise has to be above a certain decible and be above the expected levels. If the police came I would ask them to measure the noise level. If that doesn't work, you can use the favorite way to handle annoying neighbors from my childhood - doorbell ditch...on a at least a weekly basis for a year or more.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;--["Users/SharlaDaly"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2008-02-06 13:57:10'' [[nbsp]] The noise has to be above a certain decible and be above the expected levels. If the police came I would ask them to measure the noise level. If that doesn't work, you can use the favorite way to handle annoying neighbors from my childhood - doorbell ditch...on a at least a weekly basis for a year or more. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2008-02-06 14:57:10SharlaDalyComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 111: </td> <td> Line 111: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2008-02-06 13:57:10'' [[nbsp]] The noise has to be above a certain decible and be above the expected levels. If the police came I would ask them to measure the noise level. If that doesn't work, you can use the favorite way to handle annoying neighbors from my childhood - doorbell ditch...on a at least a weekly basis for a year or more. --["Users/SharlaDaly"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2008-02-06 02:38:29davistudentComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 107: </td> <td> Line 107: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2008-02-06 01:38:29'' [[nbsp]] I live next to the B street apartments, and their landlord, Kari, abuses calling the Davis police for noise violations. She'll call in the middle of the day if she hears loud music playing and shoos people away for talking in the common area. She told me that she calls the police pretending to be scared about noise in the area when she really just wants it to be quiet. They haven't come by as often, maybe because they don't come when she calls. The police told me they have to come if a neighbor is calling in saying they are disturbed by noise. Multiple residents have sent in formal complaints to the Realty company about her, but to no avail. You can ask anyone in this area about her, and they all grunt because she calls the cops all the time.<br> + <br> + What can residents and nearby neighbors do when one neighbor is "disturbed" by any sort of noise, even at a reasonable time of day? People were having a BBQ in the daytime once and she called the cops. Any suggestions? --["Users/davistudent"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2007-08-31 14:47:25JamesSchwab <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ The amount of noise you can make varies ["Davis Municipal Code/24.02.020" depending on the time of day].<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 18: </td> <td> Line 20: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + If a residence breaks the noise ordinance, the officer may cite every individual on the residence with a noise violation.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 45: </td> <td> Line 49: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- If you feel like the police have violated your rights and you would like to file a complaint you can download a form at [http://www.fighttheman.com]. That site is run by local civil rights activist and criminal defense attorney ["Law Office of Dean Johansson" Dean Johansson]. There is also a local Human Relations Commission which meets monthly and will hear complaints about police. Furthermore there is a local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) whom you may contact through local UCD junior James Schwab [[MailTo(jmschwab AT ucdavis DOT edu)]]. James also conducts Know Your Rights Trainings for free, for anyone. However, he may ask for booze from particular groups.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ If you feel like the police have violated your rights and you would like to file a complaint you can download a form at [http://www.fighttheman.com]. You can also contact the local ["ACLU"].</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Noise Ordinancehttp://daviswiki.org/Noise_Ordinance2007-08-31 14:39:59JamesSchwab <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Noise Ordinance<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ||Can be cited <span>from</span> <span>10 PM - 6 AM</span>|| </td> <td> <span>+</span> ||Can be cited <span>All</span> <span>Day</span>|| </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 11: </td> <td> Line 11: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div>