Recent Changes for "Olive Drive Railroad Fence" - Davis Wikihttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_FenceRecent Changes of the page "Olive Drive Railroad Fence" on Davis Wiki.en-us Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2012-04-10 07:27:46Wes-PComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 239: </td> <td> Line 239: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2012-04-10 08:27:46'' [[nbsp]] I truly hate this "saftey measure". Severely limits one's options when walking out for breakfast... --["Users/Wes-P"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2012-02-06 00:36:49BruceHansen(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 44: </td> <td> Line 44: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> == Jun 30, 2011 == </td> <td> <span>+</span> == Jun<span>e</span> 30, 2011 == </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2012-02-06 00:35:32BruceHansenGreg Kuperberg link <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> A March, 2010 article by ["Greg<span>&nbsp;</span>Kuperberg"] in the Davis Voice, [http://www.davisvoice.com/2010/03/the-most-dangerous-half-mile-in-davis/ The Most Dangerous Half Mile in Davis], addressed the major reason to put a fence along these tracks. Four people have died along this section of track since 1998, making it the most dangerous half mile of rail in Davis as measured by ["tragic events" fatalities] per year. The basic recommendation from this article is to fence both sides of the track, and to build a safe and legal crossing point. It is also illegal to cross train tracks in California except at designated crossings ([http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&amp;group=00001-01000&amp;file=369a-402c California Penal Code § 369(i)]). </td> <td> <span>+</span> A March, 2010 article by ["<span>Users/</span>GregKuperberg"<span>&nbsp;Greg Kuperberg</span>] in the Davis Voice, [http://www.davisvoice.com/2010/03/the-most-dangerous-half-mile-in-davis/ The Most Dangerous Half Mile in Davis], addressed the major reason to put a fence along these tracks. Four people have died along this section of track since 1998, making it the most dangerous half mile of rail in Davis as measured by ["tragic events" fatalities] per year. The basic recommendation from this article is to fence both sides of the track, and to build a safe and legal crossing point. It is also illegal to cross train tracks in California except at designated crossings ([http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&amp;group=00001-01000&amp;file=369a-402c California Penal Code § 369(i)]). </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2012-02-06 00:30:56BruceHansenintro - ugly, unbold, modify caption, - "smaller sections", Greg Kuperberg link <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> [[Image(Davis_RR_fence2.jpg, thumbnail, 500, right, "The fence does not actually run along ["Olive Drive"], but rather the south side of the tracks (the Olive Drive side) from the Richards Boulevard overcrossing to <span>roughl</span>y <span>the east end of</span> O<span>live</span>. This is the fence stretching to where Richards crosses under the tracks, as viewed from west of the Amtrak station near G Street.")]] </td> <td> <span>+</span> [[Image(Davis_RR_fence2.jpg, thumbnail, 500, right, "The fence does not actually run along ["Olive Drive"], but rather the south side of the tracks (the Olive Drive side) from the Richards Boulevard overcrossing to <span>past the Olive Drive freewa</span>y <span>exit, nearly to the Poleline</span> O<span>vercrossing</span>. This is the fence stretching to where Richards crosses under the tracks, as viewed from west of the Amtrak station near G Street.")]] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 4: </td> <td> Line 4: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ Most people think that the '''Olive Drive Railroad Fence''' is ugly, with its silver-colored industrial look and its irregularly undulating top edge.<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 8: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- '''</span>In mid-September of 2011, UP built the fence along the south side of the tracks.''<span>' It is the same 'unclimbable, tamper-resistant' construction as the smaller sections,</span> with a padlocked gate at Hickory Lane.<span>&nbsp;</span> The contractor was [http://www.jrfenceinc.biz/ J &amp; R Fence, Inc.]. </td> <td> <span>+ </span>In mid-September of 2011, UP built the fence along the south side of the tracks.<span>&nbsp;It has </span>'<span>unclimbable, tamper-resistant</span>'<span>&nbsp;construction</span> with a padlocked gate at Hickory Lane. The contractor was [http://www.jrfenceinc.biz/ J &amp; R Fence, Inc.]. </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 27: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> A March, 2010 article by Greg Kuperberg in the Davis Voice, [http://www.davisvoice.com/2010/03/the-most-dangerous-half-mile-in-davis/ The Most Dangerous Half Mile in Davis], addressed the major reason to put a fence along these tracks. Four people have died along this section of track since 1998, making it the most dangerous half mile of rail in Davis as measured by ["tragic events" fatalities] per year. The basic recommendation from this article is to fence both sides of the track, and to build a safe and legal crossing point. It is also illegal to cross train tracks in California except at designated crossings ([http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&amp;group=00001-01000&amp;file=369a-402c California Penal Code § 369(i)]). </td> <td> <span>+</span> A March, 2010 article by <span>["</span>Greg Kuperberg<span>"]</span> in the Davis Voice, [http://www.davisvoice.com/2010/03/the-most-dangerous-half-mile-in-davis/ The Most Dangerous Half Mile in Davis], addressed the major reason to put a fence along these tracks. Four people have died along this section of track since 1998, making it the most dangerous half mile of rail in Davis as measured by ["tragic events" fatalities] per year. The basic recommendation from this article is to fence both sides of the track, and to build a safe and legal crossing point. It is also illegal to cross train tracks in California except at designated crossings ([http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&amp;group=00001-01000&amp;file=369a-402c California Penal Code § 369(i)]). </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-11-18 19:44:53RussellReagan <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> [[Image(<span>Proposed Area</span>.jpg, thumbnail, <span>4</span>00, right, "The fence does not actually run along ["Olive Drive"], but rather the south side of the tracks (the Olive Drive side) from the Richards Boulevard overcrossing to roughly the east end of Olive")]] </td> <td> <span>+</span> [[Image(<span>Davis_RR_fence2</span>.jpg, thumbnail, <span>5</span>00, right, "The fence does not actually run along ["Olive Drive"], but rather the south side of the tracks (the Olive Drive side) from the Richards Boulevard overcrossing to roughly the east end of Olive<span>. This is the fence stretching to where Richards crosses under the tracks, as viewed from west of the Amtrak station near G Street.</span>")]] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''In mid-September of 2011, UP built the fence along the south side of the tracks.''' It is the same 'unclimbable, tamper-resistant' construction as the smaller sections, with a padlocked gate at Hickory Lane. The contractor was [http://www.jrfenceinc.biz/ J &amp; R Fence, Inc.].[[Image(Davis_RR_fence1.jpg, thumbnail, 360, "Fence viewed from near the curve of G Street to 1st Street, with ''No Trespassing'' sign and block signal box in the foreground")]]<br> <span>- <br> -</span> [[Image(fence_under_constr.jpg, thumbnail, <span>36</span>0, "Partially constructed fence on Sept. 24, 2011. View is from station platform to east side of ["Slatter's Court"]")]] </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''In mid-September of 2011, UP built the fence along the south side of the tracks.''' It is the same 'unclimbable, tamper-resistant' construction as the smaller sections, with a padlocked gate at Hickory Lane. The contractor was [http://www.jrfenceinc.biz/ J &amp; R Fence, Inc.].<span><br> + <br> + </span>[[Image(Davis_RR_fence1.jpg, thumbnail, 360, "Fence viewed from near the curve of G Street to 1st Street, with ''No Trespassing'' sign and block signal box in the foreground")]]<br> <span>+</span> [[Image(fence_under_constr.jpg, thumbnail, <span>50</span>0, "Partially constructed fence on Sept. 24, 2011. View is from station platform to east side of ["Slatter's Court"]")]] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-11-18 19:35:43RussellReagan <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''In mid-September of 2011, UP built the fence along the south side of the tracks.''' It is the same 'unclimbable, tamper-resistant' construction as the smaller sections, with a padlocked gate at Hickory Lane. The contractor was [http://www.jrfenceinc.biz/ J &amp; R Fence, Inc.].<span><br> - <br> - </span>[[<span>includ</span>e(<span>Photo</span>R<span>equest</span>)]] </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''In mid-September of 2011, UP built the fence along the south side of the tracks.''' It is the same 'unclimbable, tamper-resistant' construction as the smaller sections, with a padlocked gate at Hickory Lane. The contractor was [http://www.jrfenceinc.biz/ J &amp; R Fence, Inc.].[[<span>Imag</span>e(<span>Davis_</span>R<span>R_fence1.jpg, thumbnail, 360, "Fence viewed from near the curve of G Street to 1st Street, with ''No Trespassing'' sign and block signal box in the foreground"</span>)]]<span><br> + <br> + [[Image(fence_under_constr.jpg, thumbnail, 360, "Partially constructed fence on Sept. 24, 2011. View is from station platform to east side of ["Slatter's Court"]")]]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-11-18 19:32:50RussellReaganUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence?action=Files&do=view&target=fence_under_constr.jpg">fence_under_constr.jpg</a>.Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-11-18 19:32:29RussellReaganUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence?action=Files&do=view&target=Davis_RR_fence2.jpg">Davis_RR_fence2.jpg</a>.Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-11-18 19:31:55RussellReaganUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence?action=Files&do=view&target=Davis_RR_fence1.jpg">Davis_RR_fence1.jpg</a>.Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-11-13 02:28:59BruceHansenJ &amp; R Fence, Inc. contractor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> '''In mid-September of 2011, UP built the fence along the south side of the tracks.''' It is the same 'unclimbable, tamper-resistant' construction as the smaller sections, with a padlocked gate at Hickory Lane. </td> <td> <span>+</span> '''In mid-September of 2011, UP built the fence along the south side of the tracks.''' It is the same 'unclimbable, tamper-resistant' construction as the smaller sections, with a padlocked gate at Hickory Lane.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;The contractor was [http://www.jrfenceinc.biz/ J &amp; R Fence, Inc.].</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-11-01 16:35:12JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 7: </td> <td> Line 7: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + [[include(PhotoRequest)]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-10-26 10:36:01AlanMiller <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 232: </td> <td> Line 232: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> I always do. ["Users/AlanMiller] </td> <td> <span>+</span> I always do. ["Users/AlanMiller<span>"</span>] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-10-26 10:35:43AlanMillercomment <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 232: </td> <td> Line 232: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ I always do. ["Users/AlanMiller]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-10-22 11:53:11GregKuperberg <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 230: </td> <td> Line 230: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The<span>y</span> bar hoppers need to learn the realities of the situation. Nanda Butler was bar hopping when he was killed by a train at the Olive Drive tracks, and Samuel Carrasco was also drunk when he was killed by a train there<span>&nbsp;as well</span>. Alcohol and illegal train trespass don't mix! --["Users/GregKuperberg"]<br> <span>-</span> Just ignore Greg, he is trolling ["Daubert"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> The bar hoppers need to learn the realities of the situation. Nanda Butler was bar hopping when he was killed by a train at the Olive Drive tracks, and Samuel Carrasco was also drunk when he was killed by a train there. Alcohol and illegal train trespass don't mix! --["Users/GregKuperberg"]<br> <span>+ </span> Just ignore Greg, he is trolling ["Daubert"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-10-20 20:37:38StevenDauberta note to ignore Kuperbergs trolling, incase people don't realize <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 231: </td> <td> Line 231: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ Just ignore Greg, he is trolling ["Daubert"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-10-20 20:00:45GregKuperberg <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 229: </td> <td> Line 229: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + They bar hoppers need to learn the realities of the situation. Nanda Butler was bar hopping when he was killed by a train at the Olive Drive tracks, and Samuel Carrasco was also drunk when he was killed by a train there as well. Alcohol and illegal train trespass don't mix! --["Users/GregKuperberg"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-10-18 00:40:25FlynnSo, yeah.. they built the fence. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 3: </td> <td> Line 3: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + =FENCE BUILT=<br> + <br> + '''In mid-September of 2011, UP built the fence along the south side of the tracks.''' It is the same 'unclimbable, tamper-resistant' construction as the smaller sections, with a padlocked gate at Hickory Lane.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-10-18 00:32:33Flynn(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p>No differences found!</div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-10-18 00:32:04Flynn(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 30: </td> <td> Line 30: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- == Update, Jun 30, 2011 ==</span> </td> <td> <span>+ == Update - mid-September, 2011 ==<br> + <br> + UP has built their fence.<br> + <br> + == Jun 30, 2011 ==</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-10-18 00:29:12FlynnComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 219: </td> <td> Line 219: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-10-18 01:29:12'' [[nbsp]] I'm surprised nobody has commented yet - UP went ahead and put up the fence, with a locked gate at the Hickory Lane section. I got to see some VERY pissed-off bar-hoppers last Friday night when they found out the couldn't get to downtown through Slatter's Court, after having tried to go through that way. --["Users/Flynn"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-09-26 18:44:33DougWalterFence is not "proposed" any longer <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> [[Image(Proposed Area.jpg, thumbnail, 400, right, "The <span>proposed </span>fence does not actually run along ["Olive Drive"], but rather the south side of the tracks (the Olive Drive side) from the Richards Boulevard overcrossing to roughly the east end of Olive")]] </td> <td> <span>+</span> [[Image(Proposed Area.jpg, thumbnail, 400, right, "The fence does not actually run along ["Olive Drive"], but rather the south side of the tracks (the Olive Drive side) from the Richards Boulevard overcrossing to roughly the east end of Olive")]] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The ["Union Pacific Railroad"] is building a '''3800 foot fence''' between the railroad and much of ["Olive Drive"]. According to an article in ["the Davis Enterprise"] (September 15, 201<span>0</span>), Union Pacific is starting construction "next week." “They’re basically saying, ‘We’re going to do whatever we’re going to do, and tough luck,’ “ Mayor ["Joe Krovoza"] [http://www.davisenterprise.com/home-page/featured-stories/union-pacific-starts-fence-construction-next-week/ said].<br> <span>-</span> <br> <span>-</span> According to a ["RR Fence Op Ed" Railroad Fence Op-Ed] by Alan Miller, the<span>&nbsp;proposed</span> fence is to be 8-feet high, will be steel reinforced in wrought iron style and is claimed to be "impenetrable" by conventional means. The material cost is approximately $250,000 and will be Proposition 1B funds allocated through the Capitol Corridor Joint Powers Authority which manages the ["Capitol Corridor"] trains. Union Pacific will supply the labor to build the fence. As currently proposed, the fence will run along the south side of the tracks only, from where ["Richards Boulevard"] passes under the railroad, to the east end of ["Olive Drive"] at the turnaround loop adjacent to the Olive Drive exit from ["I-80"], which is also the point at which the ["Highway 40"] ["bike paths" bicycle path] begins. </td> <td> <span>+</span> The ["Union Pacific Railroad"] is building a '''3800 foot fence''' between the railroad and much of ["Olive Drive"]. According to an article in ["the Davis Enterprise"] (September 15, 201<span>1</span>), Union Pacific is starting construction "next week." “They’re basically saying, ‘We’re going to do whatever we’re going to do, and tough luck,’ “ Mayor ["Joe Krovoza"] [http://www.davisenterprise.com/home-page/featured-stories/union-pacific-starts-fence-construction-next-week/ said].<br> <span>+</span> <br> <span>+</span> According to a ["RR Fence Op Ed" Railroad Fence Op-Ed] by Alan Miller, the fence is to be 8-feet high, will be steel reinforced in wrought iron style and is claimed to be "impenetrable" by conventional means. The material cost is approximately $250,000 and will be Proposition 1B funds allocated through the Capitol Corridor Joint Powers Authority which manages the ["Capitol Corridor"] trains. Union Pacific will supply the labor to build the fence. As currently proposed, the fence will run along the south side of the tracks only, from where ["Richards Boulevard"] passes under the railroad, to the east end of ["Olive Drive"] at the turnaround loop adjacent to the Olive Drive exit from ["I-80"], which is also the point at which the ["Highway 40"] ["bike paths" bicycle path] begins. </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 13: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ (On Sept. 26, 2011, there are no upcoming events scheduled.)<br> + <br> + =Train vs. person incidents in and around Davis=<br> + <br> + [[Image(railroad-deaths.png, thumbnail, 498, right, "Four men have died on these tracks through accident or suicide since 1998: ["Nanda Butler"], Patrick Allison, Samuel Carrasco, and Fred Nightbear Iyotte." )]]<br> + <br> + A March, 2010 article by Greg Kuperberg in the Davis Voice, [http://www.davisvoice.com/2010/03/the-most-dangerous-half-mile-in-davis/ The Most Dangerous Half Mile in Davis], addressed the major reason to put a fence along these tracks. Four people have died along this section of track since 1998, making it the most dangerous half mile of rail in Davis as measured by ["tragic events" fatalities] per year. The basic recommendation from this article is to fence both sides of the track, and to build a safe and legal crossing point. It is also illegal to cross train tracks in California except at designated crossings ([http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&amp;group=00001-01000&amp;file=369a-402c California Penal Code § 369(i)]).<br> + <br> + Although these fatalities took place near the fence, the fence, had it been in place at the time, may not have prevented all of them. Patrick Allison, in ["2004"], committed suicide; access to the point where he died will not be blocked by the proposed fence. Fred Nightbear Iyotte, in ["2007"], died near the east end of the proposed fence, suggesting his death might not have been prevented had the proposed fence been in place. Samuel Carrasco in 2005 had been drinking and was killed lying down on the tracks at 3am; his direction of entry to the tracks is not known. The death of ["Nanda Butler"] in ["1998"] may well have been prevented as he was crossing the tracks from the Olive Drive area to East Davis just east of the not-legal, but well used, L Street crossing. He had been drinking and therefore may have misjudged his proximity to the train. Three additional deaths occurred near the Arboretum Drive crossing, south of the south/west end of the fence, and another death was even further south near the Putah Creek bridge. A death at 8th street was on the branch line to Woodland and not adjacent to the proposed fence. Additionally, several deaths at Swingle, the Road 32A at-grade crossing east of Mace Blvd., are well beyond the fence limits.<br> + <br> + The stated need for the fence and/or an overcrossing (these can be complimentary, not necessarily mutually exclusive) can be seen graphically in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCmQXeUBu1A this video], which shows daily life in Davis in which Olive Drive residents and visitors cross the railroad tracks, here accessing the Amtrak Station from Hickory Lane.<br> + <br> + =Past Events=</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 20: </td> <td> Line 33: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - =Train vs. person incidents in and around Davis=<br> - <br> - [[Image(railroad-deaths.png, thumbnail, 498, right, "Four men have died on these tracks through accident or suicide since 1998: ["Nanda Butler"], Patrick Allison, Samuel Carrasco, and Fred Nightbear Iyotte." )]]<br> - <br> - A March, 2010 article by Greg Kuperberg in the Davis Voice, [http://www.davisvoice.com/2010/03/the-most-dangerous-half-mile-in-davis/ The Most Dangerous Half Mile in Davis], addressed the major reason to put a fence along these tracks. Four people have died along this section of track since 1998, making it the most dangerous half mile of rail in Davis as measured by ["tragic events" fatalities] per year. The basic recommendation from this article is to fence both sides of the track, and to build a safe and legal crossing point. It is also illegal to cross train tracks in California except at designated crossings ([http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&amp;group=00001-01000&amp;file=369a-402c California Penal Code § 369(i)]).<br> - <br> - Although these fatalities took place near the fence, the fence, had it been in place at the time, may not have prevented all of them. Patrick Allison, in ["2004"], committed suicide; access to the point where he died will not be blocked by the proposed fence. Fred Nightbear Iyotte, in ["2007"], died near the east end of the proposed fence, suggesting his death might not have been prevented had the proposed fence been in place. Samuel Carrasco in 2005 had been drinking and was killed lying down on the tracks at 3am; his direction of entry to the tracks is not known. The death of ["Nanda Butler"] in ["1998"] may well have been prevented as he was crossing the tracks from the Olive Drive area to East Davis just east of the not-legal, but well used, L Street crossing. He had been drinking and therefore may have misjudged his proximity to the train. Three additional deaths occurred near the Arboretum Drive crossing, south of the south/west end of the fence, and another death was even further south near the Putah Creek bridge. A death at 8th street was on the branch line to Woodland and not adjacent to the proposed fence. Additionally, several deaths at Swingle, the Road 32A at-grade crossing east of Mace Blvd., are well beyond the fence limits.<br> - <br> - The stated need for the fence and/or an overcrossing (these can be complimentary, not necessarily mutually exclusive) can be seen graphically in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCmQXeUBu1A this video], which shows daily life in Davis in which Olive Drive residents and visitors cross the railroad tracks, here accessing the Amtrak Station from Hickory Lane.<br> - <br> - =Past Events=</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-09-16 10:35:23DougWalterIt's happening <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The ["Union Pacific Railroad"] is <span>preparing to build</span> a '''3800 foot fence''' between the railroad and much of ["Olive Drive"]. According to an article in ["the Davis Enterprise"] (<span>Nov</span>ember <span>4</span>, 2010), Union Pacific is <span>in discussion "with the city and other partners"</span>.<span>&nbsp;</span> According to a ["RR Fence Op Ed" Railroad Fence Op-Ed] by Alan Miller, the proposed fence is to be 8-feet high, will be steel reinforced in wrought iron style and is claimed to be "impenetrable" by conventional means. The material cost is approximately $250,000 and will be Proposition 1B funds allocated through the Capitol Corridor Joint Powers Authority which manages the ["Capitol Corridor"] trains. Union Pacific will supply the labor to build the fence. As currently proposed, the fence will run along the south side of the tracks only, from where ["Richards Boulevard"] passes under the railroad, to the east end of ["Olive Drive"] at the turnaround loop adjacent to the Olive Drive exit from ["I-80"], which is also the point at which the ["Highway 40"] ["bike paths" bicycle path] begins. </td> <td> <span>+</span> The ["Union Pacific Railroad"] is <span>building</span> a '''3800 foot fence''' between the railroad and much of ["Olive Drive"]. According to an article in ["the Davis Enterprise"] (<span>Sept</span>ember <span>15</span>, 2010), Union Pacific is <span>starting construction "next week</span>.<span>" “They’re basically saying, ‘We’re going to do whatever we’re going to do, and tough luck,’ “ Mayor ["Joe Krovoza"] [http://www.davisenterprise.com/home-page/featured-stories/union-pacific-starts-fence-construction-next-week/ said].<br> + <br> +</span> According to a ["RR Fence Op Ed" Railroad Fence Op-Ed] by Alan Miller, the proposed fence is to be 8-feet high, will be steel reinforced in wrought iron style and is claimed to be "impenetrable" by conventional means. The material cost is approximately $250,000 and will be Proposition 1B funds allocated through the Capitol Corridor Joint Powers Authority which manages the ["Capitol Corridor"] trains. Union Pacific will supply the labor to build the fence. As currently proposed, the fence will run along the south side of the tracks only, from where ["Richards Boulevard"] passes under the railroad, to the east end of ["Olive Drive"] at the turnaround loop adjacent to the Olive Drive exit from ["I-80"], which is also the point at which the ["Highway 40"] ["bike paths" bicycle path] begins. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-08-18 09:20:07CovertProfessorit was done in a spammy way, ungrammatically, but this important to mention, imo <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 12: </td> <td> Line 12: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- (Pending)</span> </td> <td> <span>+ The City of Davis announced that it has formally submitted an application to the California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) to construct an at-grade pedestrian/bike crossing at the Davis Train Station.<br> + [http://davisvanguard.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=4616:city-formally-files-for-at-grade-crossing&amp;catid=53:land-useopen-space&amp;Itemid=86 article].</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-07-07 19:51:20BruceHansenComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 213: </td> <td> Line 213: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-07-07 20:51:20'' [[nbsp]] Sorry, Justin, I don't know which comments that you reference. I brought Danny from the hospital a few days before he died and plan to attend a memorial for him tomorrow. --["Users/BruceHansen"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-07-07 15:00:27JustinYoderComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 211: </td> <td> Line 211: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-07-07 16:00:27'' [[nbsp]] first of all my tone in this comment will be HARSH. I just lost a friend on the tracks on 6/30 and it is heartbreaking to hear you pissant fucks put your two cents in. He was NOT drunk or suicidal. He was released from sutter davis 3Times in 1week with head trauma sustained by Davis Police. This should not have happened. JoshLawson sounds like he has some issues with some people that needs to be resolved. DO NOT attempt to generalize what a person is thinking before they die if you do not know them. If any of you clowns met Dan Ferguson who was killed by amtrak on 6/30 you would know that he did not want to end his life. He would have turned 55 years old on July 1st. thank you --["Users/JustinYoder"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-06-30 13:38:28WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 16: </td> <td> Line 16: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> [http://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/man-fatally-injured-by-passenger-train-in-davis/<span>attachment/train-accident16w-2/</span> A man was killed on the tracks] this morning near Olive Drive. </td> <td> <span>+</span> [http://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/man-fatally-injured-by-passenger-train-in-davis/ A man was killed on the tracks] this morning near Olive Drive. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-06-30 13:35:38GregKuperberg <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 13: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + == Update, Jun 30, 2011 ==<br> + <br> + [http://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/man-fatally-injured-by-passenger-train-in-davis/attachment/train-accident16w-2/ A man was killed on the tracks] this morning near Olive Drive.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-06-01 07:45:36KemblePopemoved april 25th event into place with other events <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 4: </td> <td> Line 4: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- =MAJOR UPDATE: April 25, 2011=</span> </td> <td> <span>+ =Summary of the Fence Proposal=<br> + <br> + The ["Union Pacific Railroad"] is preparing to build a '''3800 foot fence''' between the railroad and much of ["Olive Drive"]. According to an article in ["the Davis Enterprise"] (November 4, 2010), Union Pacific is in discussion "with the city and other partners". According to a ["RR Fence Op Ed" Railroad Fence Op-Ed] by Alan Miller, the proposed fence is to be 8-feet high, will be steel reinforced in wrought iron style and is claimed to be "impenetrable" by conventional means. The material cost is approximately $250,000 and will be Proposition 1B funds allocated through the Capitol Corridor Joint Powers Authority which manages the ["Capitol Corridor"] trains. Union Pacific will supply the labor to build the fence. As currently proposed, the fence will run along the south side of the tracks only, from where ["Richards Boulevard"] passes under the railroad, to the east end of ["Olive Drive"] at the turnaround loop adjacent to the Olive Drive exit from ["I-80"], which is also the point at which the ["Highway 40"] ["bike paths" bicycle path] begins.<br> + <br> + The fence, if it remains un-breached, forces residents of Olive Drive to a single exit from the neighborhood, known by some as ["the worst intersection in Davis"], Olive Drive and ["Richards Boulevard"]. This legal route is much longer than crossing the tracks, as one must cross Richards, go through the bike tunnel, and then cross again at ["1st Street" 1st] &amp; ["E Street" E] Streets, a ["traffic patterns" very long light] where, strangely, a bike ends up on the left side of E Street and so has to cross E Street to ride legally into downtown. There is also no rational way to go from the ["Borders"] side of the intersection onto 1st Street going east into ["downtown"] on a ["bicycles" bicycle] except to stop in the middle of the crosswalk going north and back ones bike into the traffic lane half way across and wait for the light, a very odd but semi-functional path. For those going to east Davis from Olive Drive, there is no legal exit from the bike path until ["Mace Boulevard"], some ["East Davis" two miles east]. Some pedestrians/bicyclists going to points in east Davis will probably cross the tracks illegally past the east end of the fence to access ["2nd Street"], ["Pole Line Road"] and ["East Davis"] destinations.<br> + <br> + =Upcoming Events=<br> + <br> + (Pending)<br> + <br> + =Train vs. person incidents in and around Davis=<br> + <br> + [[Image(railroad-deaths.png, thumbnail, 498, right, "Four men have died on these tracks through accident or suicide since 1998: ["Nanda Butler"], Patrick Allison, Samuel Carrasco, and Fred Nightbear Iyotte." )]]<br> + <br> + A March, 2010 article by Greg Kuperberg in the Davis Voice, [http://www.davisvoice.com/2010/03/the-most-dangerous-half-mile-in-davis/ The Most Dangerous Half Mile in Davis], addressed the major reason to put a fence along these tracks. Four people have died along this section of track since 1998, making it the most dangerous half mile of rail in Davis as measured by ["tragic events" fatalities] per year. The basic recommendation from this article is to fence both sides of the track, and to build a safe and legal crossing point. It is also illegal to cross train tracks in California except at designated crossings ([http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&amp;group=00001-01000&amp;file=369a-402c California Penal Code § 369(i)]).<br> + <br> + Although these fatalities took place near the fence, the fence, had it been in place at the time, may not have prevented all of them. Patrick Allison, in ["2004"], committed suicide; access to the point where he died will not be blocked by the proposed fence. Fred Nightbear Iyotte, in ["2007"], died near the east end of the proposed fence, suggesting his death might not have been prevented had the proposed fence been in place. Samuel Carrasco in 2005 had been drinking and was killed lying down on the tracks at 3am; his direction of entry to the tracks is not known. The death of ["Nanda Butler"] in ["1998"] may well have been prevented as he was crossing the tracks from the Olive Drive area to East Davis just east of the not-legal, but well used, L Street crossing. He had been drinking and therefore may have misjudged his proximity to the train. Three additional deaths occurred near the Arboretum Drive crossing, south of the south/west end of the fence, and another death was even further south near the Putah Creek bridge. A death at 8th street was on the branch line to Woodland and not adjacent to the proposed fence. Additionally, several deaths at Swingle, the Road 32A at-grade crossing east of Mace Blvd., are well beyond the fence limits.<br> + <br> + The stated need for the fence and/or an overcrossing (these can be complimentary, not necessarily mutually exclusive) can be seen graphically in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCmQXeUBu1A this video], which shows daily life in Davis in which Olive Drive residents and visitors cross the railroad tracks, here accessing the Amtrak Station from Hickory Lane.<br> + <br> + =Past Events=<br> + <br> + ==April 25, 2011 - UP Builds Fence &amp; City Reacts with Statement==</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 12: </td> <td> Line 34: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- =Summary of the Fence Proposal=<br> - <br> - The ["Union Pacific Railroad"] is preparing to build a '''3800 foot fence''' between the railroad and much of ["Olive Drive"]. According to an article in ["the Davis Enterprise"] (November 4, 2010), Union Pacific is in discussion "with the city and other partners". According to a ["RR Fence Op Ed" Railroad Fence Op-Ed] by Alan Miller, the proposed fence is to be 8-feet high, will be steel reinforced in wrought iron style and is claimed to be "impenetrable" by conventional means. The material cost is approximately $250,000 and will be Proposition 1B funds allocated through the Capitol Corridor Joint Powers Authority which manages the ["Capitol Corridor"] trains. Union Pacific will supply the labor to build the fence. As currently proposed, the fence will run along the south side of the tracks only, from where ["Richards Boulevard"] passes under the railroad, to the east end of ["Olive Drive"] at the turnaround loop adjacent to the Olive Drive exit from ["I-80"], which is also the point at which the ["Highway 40"] ["bike paths" bicycle path] begins.<br> - <br> - The fence, if it remains un-breached, forces residents of Olive Drive to a single exit from the neighborhood, known by some as ["the worst intersection in Davis"], Olive Drive and ["Richards Boulevard"]. This legal route is much longer than crossing the tracks, as one must cross Richards, go through the bike tunnel, and then cross again at ["1st Street" 1st] &amp; ["E Street" E] Streets, a ["traffic patterns" very long light] where, strangely, a bike ends up on the left side of E Street and so has to cross E Street to ride legally into downtown. There is also no rational way to go from the ["Borders"] side of the intersection onto 1st Street going east into ["downtown"] on a ["bicycles" bicycle] except to stop in the middle of the crosswalk going north and back ones bike into the traffic lane half way across and wait for the light, a very odd but semi-functional path. For those going to east Davis from Olive Drive, there is no legal exit from the bike path until ["Mace Boulevard"], some ["East Davis" two miles east]. Some pedestrians/bicyclists going to points in east Davis will probably cross the tracks illegally past the east end of the fence to access ["2nd Street"], ["Pole Line Road"] and ["East Davis"] destinations.<br> - <br> - =Upcoming Events=<br> - <br> - (Pending)<br> - <br> - =Train vs. person incidents in and around Davis=<br> - <br> - [[Image(railroad-deaths.png, thumbnail, 498, right, "Four men have died on these tracks through accident or suicide since 1998: ["Nanda Butler"], Patrick Allison, Samuel Carrasco, and Fred Nightbear Iyotte." )]]<br> - <br> - A March, 2010 article by Greg Kuperberg in the Davis Voice, [http://www.davisvoice.com/2010/03/the-most-dangerous-half-mile-in-davis/ The Most Dangerous Half Mile in Davis], addressed the major reason to put a fence along these tracks. Four people have died along this section of track since 1998, making it the most dangerous half mile of rail in Davis as measured by ["tragic events" fatalities] per year. The basic recommendation from this article is to fence both sides of the track, and to build a safe and legal crossing point. It is also illegal to cross train tracks in California except at designated crossings ([http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&amp;group=00001-01000&amp;file=369a-402c California Penal Code § 369(i)]).<br> - <br> - Although these fatalities took place near the fence, the fence, had it been in place at the time, may not have prevented all of them. Patrick Allison, in ["2004"], committed suicide; access to the point where he died will not be blocked by the proposed fence. Fred Nightbear Iyotte, in ["2007"], died near the east end of the proposed fence, suggesting his death might not have been prevented had the proposed fence been in place. Samuel Carrasco in 2005 had been drinking and was killed lying down on the tracks at 3am; his direction of entry to the tracks is not known. The death of ["Nanda Butler"] in ["1998"] may well have been prevented as he was crossing the tracks from the Olive Drive area to East Davis just east of the not-legal, but well used, L Street crossing. He had been drinking and therefore may have misjudged his proximity to the train. Three additional deaths occurred near the Arboretum Drive crossing, south of the south/west end of the fence, and another death was even further south near the Putah Creek bridge. A death at 8th street was on the branch line to Woodland and not adjacent to the proposed fence. Additionally, several deaths at Swingle, the Road 32A at-grade crossing east of Mace Blvd., are well beyond the fence limits.<br> - <br> - The stated need for the fence and/or an overcrossing (these can be complimentary, not necessarily mutually exclusive) can be seen graphically in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCmQXeUBu1A this video], which shows daily life in Davis in which Olive Drive residents and visitors cross the railroad tracks, here accessing the Amtrak Station from Hickory Lane.<br> - <br> - =Past Events=<br> - <br> - ==February 16th, 2011. Capitol Corridor Joint Powers Board Meeting==</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ==February 16th, 2011 - Capitol Corridor Joint Powers Board Meeting==</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-06-01 07:42:54KemblePopeadding new DavisVoice post to media <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 83: </td> <td> Line 83: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * June 1, 2011: [http://www.davisvoice.com/2011/06/city-continues-to-clash-with-union-pacific/ City Continues to Clash with Union Pacific], on ["The Davis Voice"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-05-10 12:35:45StevenDaubertif you hit preview and then comment in the previewed pages comment bar it works <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 206: </td> <td> Line 206: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2011-05-10 13:34:41'' [[nbsp]] COMMENTING FROM A PREVIEWED VERSION? --["Users/StevenDaubert"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-05-10 12:35:17StevenDaubertadded some rich linking to Josh Lawlsons comment <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 190: </td> <td> Line 190: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2011-03-24 16:42:57'' [[nbsp]] As a strong advocate of border control, I support this fence 100%! Olive drive and it's trailer park/shanty towns are an eyesore and Slater's Court needs to be demolished. They should also include a few guard towers so that if anyone tries to climb the fence, they are shot. The last thing we need are convenient paths for the poor to travel on...next thing we know, downtown will be flooded with Four Loko drinking assjacks from the trailer parks <span>sp'anging</span> for meth money.... --["Users/JoshLawson"]<br> <span>- ------</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2011-03-24 16:42:57'' [[nbsp]] As a strong advocate of border control, I support this fence 100%! Olive drive and it's trailer park/shanty towns are an eyesore and Slater's Court needs to be demolished. They should also include a few guard towers so that if anyone tries to climb the fence, they are shot. The last thing we need are convenient paths for the poor to travel on...next thing we know, downtown will be flooded with Four Loko drinking assjacks from the trailer parks <span>["The Spare Changer" sp'anging]</span> for meth money.... --["Users/JoshLawson"]<br> <span>+ -----</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-05-10 12:34:41StevenDaubertComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 206: </td> <td> Line 206: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-05-10 13:34:41'' [[nbsp]] COMMENTING FROM A PREVIEWED VERSION? --["Users/StevenDaubert"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-05-10 09:12:33TomGarbersonReply to Katy <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 205: </td> <td> Line 205: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ I apologize if it seemed like I was belittling you or anyone else for having a disability or being short on funds. That wasn't my intent. I was simply pointing out that hopping a fence, if you can't do it without hurting yourself, seems like a very ''bad'' solution to this problem. I don't know whether there is a good solution, but if there is, that's definitely not it. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-05-10 09:04:34KatyMartinComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 203: </td> <td> Line 203: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-05-10 10:04:34'' [[nbsp]] OK, as I live in S. Davis I wasn't going to comment but Mr. Garberson's comment: 'climbing over a fence to save yourself a walk (or, god forbid, bike) of a mile or so... you've gotta feel pretty stupid.' hit a nerve. I'm disabled on a very limited income so have no vehicle and riding a bike isn't an option nor is walking "a mile or so." Obviously, I can't climb a fence either as I have days where walking across my apartment is more than I can manage much less try to get to the grocery store. I'm sure that's what was going on with the small child, as well. Not everybody in Davis is young, healthy or has lots of $. It seems as if you aren't one of the former or an animal, you don't count in Davis. --["Users/KatyMartin"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-29 17:10:51Angel.York(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 72: </td> <td> Line 72: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * '''Relevant data and background information [https://davis.csbaagendaonline.net/cgi-bin/WebObjects/davis-eAgenda.woa/files/MTI2ODgzNTcyMjM1OC9kYXZpc2VBZ2VuZGEvMTExLzIwNzkvRmlsZXM=/105-28-09_-_olive_drive_report_final.pdf The Olive Drive Transportation Study]:<span>'''</span> Analysis of Pedestrian Crossings of the Railroad Tracks near the Davis Amtrak Station </td> <td> <span>+</span> * '''Relevant data and background information<span>'''</span> [https://davis.csbaagendaonline.net/cgi-bin/WebObjects/davis-eAgenda.woa/files/MTI2ODgzNTcyMjM1OC9kYXZpc2VBZ2VuZGEvMTExLzIwNzkvRmlsZXM=/105-28-09_-_olive_drive_report_final.pdf The Olive Drive Transportation Study]: Analysis of Pedestrian Crossings of the Railroad Tracks near the Davis Amtrak Station </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-29 17:10:26Angel.York(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - 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. </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 72: </td> <td> Line 72: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * ''Highly relevant data and background information'' [https://davis.csbaagendaonline.net/cgi-bin/WebObjects/davis-eAgenda.woa/files/MTI2ODgzNTcyMjM1OC9kYXZpc2VBZ2VuZGEvMTExLzIwNzkvRmlsZXM=/105-28-09_-_olive_drive_report_final.pdf The Olive Drive Transportation Study]: Analysis of Pedestrian Crossings of the Railroad Tracks near the Davis Amtrak Station </td> <td> <span>+</span> * ''<span>'</span>Highly relevant data and background information<span>'</span>'' [https://davis.csbaagendaonline.net/cgi-bin/WebObjects/davis-eAgenda.woa/files/MTI2ODgzNTcyMjM1OC9kYXZpc2VBZ2VuZGEvMTExLzIwNzkvRmlsZXM=/105-28-09_-_olive_drive_report_final.pdf The Olive Drive Transportation Study]: Analysis of Pedestrian Crossings of the Railroad Tracks near the Davis Amtrak Station </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-29 17:07:39Angel.York(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 72: </td> <td> Line 72: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * 'Highly relevant data and background information' [https://davis.csbaagendaonline.net/cgi-bin/WebObjects/davis-eAgenda.woa/files/MTI2ODgzNTcyMjM1OC9kYXZpc2VBZ2VuZGEvMTExLzIwNzkvRmlsZXM=/105-28-09_-_olive_drive_report_final.pdf The Olive Drive Transportation Study]: Analysis of Pedestrian Crossings of the Railroad Tracks near the Davis Amtrak Station </td> <td> <span>+</span> * <span>'</span>'Highly relevant data and background information<span>'</span>' [https://davis.csbaagendaonline.net/cgi-bin/WebObjects/davis-eAgenda.woa/files/MTI2ODgzNTcyMjM1OC9kYXZpc2VBZ2VuZGEvMTExLzIwNzkvRmlsZXM=/105-28-09_-_olive_drive_report_final.pdf The Olive Drive Transportation Study]: Analysis of Pedestrian Crossings of the Railroad Tracks near the Davis Amtrak Station </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-29 17:07:18Angel.York(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 72: </td> <td> Line 72: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * 'Highly relevant data and background information' [https://davis.csbaagendaonline.net/cgi-bin/WebObjects/davis-eAgenda.woa/files/MTI2ODgzNTcyMjM1OC9kYXZpc2VBZ2VuZGEvMTExLzIwNzkvRmlsZXM=/105-28-09_-_olive_drive_report_final.pdf The Olive Drive Transportation Study]: Analysis of Pedestrian Crossings of the Railroad Tracks near the Davis Amtrak Station</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-28 20:15:35Angel.York(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 175: </td> <td> Line 175: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> Mike, the argument in your first paragraph is saying that it's ok for drunk or otherwise-incapacitated people to get injured or killed when crossing the railroad tracks. --["Users/Angel.York"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> Mike, the argument in your first paragraph is saying that it's ok for drunk or otherwise-incapacitated people to get injured or killed when crossing the railroad tracks. --["Users/Angel.York"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-28 20:15:10Angel.York(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 175: </td> <td> Line 175: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Mike, the argument in your first paragraph is saying that it's ok for drunk or otherwise-incapacitated people to get injured or killed when crossing the railroad tracks. --["Users/Angel.York"] </td> <td> <span>+ </span> Mike, the argument in your first paragraph is saying that it's ok for drunk or otherwise-incapacitated people to get injured or killed when crossing the railroad tracks. --["Users/Angel.York"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-28 20:14:53Angel.York(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 174: </td> <td> Line 174: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + Mike, the argument in your first paragraph is saying that it's ok for drunk or otherwise-incapacitated people to get injured or killed when crossing the railroad tracks. --["Users/Angel.York"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-26 15:36:50Wes-PComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 198: </td> <td> Line 198: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-04-26 16:36:50'' [[nbsp]] I find the recent actions of Union Pacific appalling. To build a fence/addition while currently in discussions about said fence/addition is a very profound statement to the bearish attitude of the railroad akin to Jay Gould and Charles Crocker of bygone days. --["Users/Wes-P"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-26 10:38:37CovertProfessoryou deleted the main point of my edit. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 10: </td> <td> Line 10: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> On that same evening, the City of Davis issued a [http://cityofdavis.org/cmo/press-releases/repository/2011-04-25.cfm "Press Release on Union Pacific Blocking Olive Drive Access Gates"] strongly condemning Union Pacific's actions: "The city is extremely disappointed that UPRR has chosen to proceed with construction of the fence to block these gates." </td> <td> <span>+</span> On that same evening, the City of Davis issued a [http://cityofdavis.org/cmo/press-releases/repository/2011-04-25.cfm "Press Release on Union Pacific Blocking Olive Drive Access Gates"] strongly condemning Union Pacific's actions: "The city is extremely disappointed that UPRR has chosen to proceed with construction of the fence to block these gates."<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;To see a picture of the fence, see the April 26, 2011 article in The Vanguard, linked in the media section below.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-26 10:09:04KemblePopecleaned up new section, moved media to appropriate section <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 10: </td> <td> Line 10: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- CITY of DAVIS issued a PRESS RELEASE strongly condemning Union Pacific's actions:<br> - [http://cityofdavis.org/cmo/press-releases/repository/2011-04-25.cfm City of Davis Press Release on Union Pacific Blocking Olive Drive Access Gates] "The city is extremely disappointed that UPRR has chosen to proceed with construction of the fence to block these gates." ["The People's Vanguard of Davis" The Vanguard] has an [http://davisvanguard.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=4292:union-pacific-in-a-surprise-moves-blocks-gate-access-to-tracks-angering-city-and-mayor&amp;Itemid=86 article on the fence], showing up a picture of the unsightly fence.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ On that same evening, the City of Davis issued a [http://cityofdavis.org/cmo/press-releases/repository/2011-04-25.cfm "Press Release on Union Pacific Blocking Olive Drive Access Gates"] strongly condemning Union Pacific's actions: "The city is extremely disappointed that UPRR has chosen to proceed with construction of the fence to block these gates."</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 83: </td> <td> Line 82: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * January 3, 2010 [PENDING] by Sarahni Pecson in the California Aggie.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * April 26, 2011: [http://www.davisvoice.com/2011/04/the-great-olive-drive-fence-fight/ The Great Olive Drive Fence Fight], on ["The Davis Voice"]<br> + * April 26, 2011: [http://davisvanguard.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=4292:union-pacific-in-a-surprise-moves-blocks-gate-access-to-tracks-angering-city-and-mayor&amp;Itemid=86 Union Pacific In a Surprise Move Blocks Gate Access to Tracks Angering City and Mayor], on ["The People's Vanguard of Davis"]<br> + * January 3, 2011 [PENDING] by Sarahni Pecson in the California Aggie.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-26 08:26:53CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 11: </td> <td> Line 11: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> [http://cityofdavis.org/cmo/press-releases/repository/2011-04-25.cfm City of Davis Press Release on Union Pacific Blocking Olive Drive Access Gates] "The city is extremely disappointed that UPRR has chosen to proceed with construction of the fence to block these gates." ["People's Vanguard of Davis" The Vaguard] has an [http://davisvanguard.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=4292:union-pacific-in-a-surprise-moves-blocks-gate-access-to-tracks-angering-city-and-mayor&amp;Itemid=86 article on the fence], showing up a picture of the unsightly fence. </td> <td> <span>+</span> [http://cityofdavis.org/cmo/press-releases/repository/2011-04-25.cfm City of Davis Press Release on Union Pacific Blocking Olive Drive Access Gates] "The city is extremely disappointed that UPRR has chosen to proceed with construction of the fence to block these gates." ["<span>The </span>People's Vanguard of Davis" The Va<span>n</span>guard] has an [http://davisvanguard.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=4292:union-pacific-in-a-surprise-moves-blocks-gate-access-to-tracks-angering-city-and-mayor&amp;Itemid=86 article on the fence], showing up a picture of the unsightly fence. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-26 08:26:12CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 11: </td> <td> Line 11: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> [http://cityofdavis.org/cmo/press-releases/repository/2011-04-25.cfm City of Davis Press Release on Union Pacific Blocking Olive Drive Access Gates] "The city is extremely disappointed that UPRR has chosen to proceed with construction of the fence to block these gates." </td> <td> <span>+</span> [http://cityofdavis.org/cmo/press-releases/repository/2011-04-25.cfm City of Davis Press Release on Union Pacific Blocking Olive Drive Access Gates] "The city is extremely disappointed that UPRR has chosen to proceed with construction of the fence to block these gates."<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;["People's Vanguard of Davis" The Vaguard] has an [http://davisvanguard.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=4292:union-pacific-in-a-surprise-moves-blocks-gate-access-to-tracks-angering-city-and-mayor&amp;Itemid=86 article on the fence], showing up a picture of the unsightly fence.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-26 08:25:41BruceHansen <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 196: </td> <td> Line 196: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ I didn't get the sense of retaliation, more an old timer set in his ways. --["Users/BruceHansen"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-26 08:00:32TomGarbersonMmmm, in-n-out. 9am craving. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 195: </td> <td> Line 195: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- Sure, there's definitely more to it. I'm just saying, even if UP is completely in the wrong, if you hurt yourself climbing over it to save yourself a walk (or, god forbid, bike) of a mile or so... you've gotta feel pretty stupid. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ Sure, there's definitely more to it. I'm just saying, even if UP is completely in the wrong, if you hurt yourself climbing over a fence to save yourself a walk (or, god forbid, bike) of a mile or so... you've gotta feel pretty stupid. If it's about getting back at the company... Flagellants went out of style a long time ago. Some small children throw fits when they don't get what they want and do things like bang their head on the ground or a wall. It doesn't usually work. Unless we're talking Gandhi-esque hunger strikes, I don't know that the "I'm going to do this until I hurt myself unless you take down the fence" approach is going to work. And I suspect even Gandhi would've been tempted by the smell of In-n-Out wafting down the street, vegetarian or no. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-26 07:52:11TomGarberson <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 195: </td> <td> Line 195: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ Sure, there's definitely more to it. I'm just saying, even if UP is completely in the wrong, if you hurt yourself climbing over it to save yourself a walk (or, god forbid, bike) of a mile or so... you've gotta feel pretty stupid. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-26 07:43:51BruceHansenadd to my comment <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 194: </td> <td> Line 194: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> It sounds like U.P. doesn't want to allow for clarification of whose land it is on. The City tends to think it's not on U.P's land. When U.P disrespects others, people are going to say "UP yours". --["Users/BruceHansen"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> It sounds like U.P. doesn't want to allow for clarification of whose land it is on. The City tends to think it's not on U.P's land. When U.P disrespects others, people are going to say "UP yours"<span>. Then there's the issue of established usage. It's a different situation than, say, trying to climb over a fence around a business</span>. --["Users/BruceHansen"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-26 06:53:11BruceHansen <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 194: </td> <td> Line 194: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ It sounds like U.P. doesn't want to allow for clarification of whose land it is on. The City tends to think it's not on U.P's land. When U.P disrespects others, people are going to say "UP yours". --["Users/BruceHansen"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-26 05:52:34TomGarberson <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 193: </td> <td> Line 193: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ Some might argue that if you hurt yourself climbing over a fence to trespass on someone else's land it's on your head. So to speak. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-25 23:59:33BruceHansencomments heading and label <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 103: </td> <td> Line 103: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- [[Comments]]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ =Comments=<br> + [[Comments(Add Your Comment Here)]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-25 23:26:18BruceHansentable of contents (No text was even with the photo.) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 2: </td> <td> Line 2: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ [[TableOfContents]]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-25 22:47:03AlanMillerComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 189: </td> <td> Line 189: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-04-25 23:47:03'' [[nbsp]] At 6pm I watched pedestrians for 5 minutes. A man with a small boy walked towards the Davis Mobile Estates gate, turned, and walked up the middle of the tracks together until they reached the lot behind the furniture store and went over there. Good, more time with children on the tracks. I walked back to Slater's Court, where a resident was attempting to scale the old fence into Slater's. As he was going over, he slipped and free-fell horizontally six feet to the ground between fences, somewhat horizontally but head leading. I was glad to see him get up and try again, as it looked like a potential concussion. Nothing brings safety to mind like the words "Union" and "Pacific". These fence segments have made everyone safer, because now everyone will obey the "law" and do exactly what the railroad wants. All it took was two fifteen foot segments of eight-foot-high, military-grade fence with "No Trespassing" signs on them. #sarcasm# I walked around to the inside of the fence, and a man was standing there. He said to me, "I am pissed. I feel like a caged animal". --["Users/AlanMiller"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-25 22:25:06AlanMillerUpdate/City Press Release <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 3: </td> <td> Line 3: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> UPDATE: <span>On </span>April 25, 2011, <span>Union Pacific crews </span>b<span>uilt short sections of tall fence in front of the Davis Mo</span>b<span>ile Estates and</span> S<span>later's Court gates, blocking both gates. </span> No notice was given to the City, other than UP's long-standing assertion that it would build a fence. Crews were on site before 8 a.m. and were done before 10 a.m.. Union Pacific conducted a property-line survey last month that showed that the gates are within their property; the City disputes this claim. Union Pacific has turned up the heat on the issue and is asserting what it believes to be its right to build on its property and block the gates.<br> -<span>&nbsp;</span>--<span>---</span> </td> <td> <span>+ =MAJOR</span> UPDATE: April 25, 2011<span>=<br> + <br> + Union Pacific crews built short sections of tall fence in front of the Davis Mobile Estates and Slater's Court gates</span>, b<span>locking </span>b<span>oth gates. This is the same 'military style' fence used in other locations such as West</span> S<span>acramento.<br> + <br> +</span> No notice was given to the City, other than UP's long-standing assertion that it would build a fence. Crews were on site before 8 a.m. and were done before 10 a.m.. Union Pacific conducted a property-line survey last month that showed that the gates are within their property; the City disputes this claim. Union Pacific has turned up the heat on the issue and is asserting what it believes to be its right to build on its property and block the gates.<br> <span>+ <br> + CITY of DAVIS issued a PRESS RELEASE strongly condemning Union Pacific's actions:<br> + [http://cityofdavis.org/cmo/press</span>-<span>releases/repository/2011</span>-<span>04</span>-<span>25.cfm City of Davis Press Release on Union Pacific Blocking Olive Drive Access Gates] "The city is extremely disappointed that UPRR has chosen to proceed with construction of the fence to block these gates."<br> + <br> + =Summary of the Fence Proposal=<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 9: </td> <td> Line 18: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 12: </td> <td> Line 20: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- The Capitol Corridor Joint Powers Board will be holding a meeting in Suisun City at the City Council Chambers on Wednesday, February 16th at 10am. The fence will be discussed, and input from Davis residents able to make the meeting is strongly encouraged. At this point it appears the release of funds for the fence may not even be considered at this meeting. Regardless, the CCJPA needs to hear that Davis citizens are concerned about this issue.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ (Pending)</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 24: </td> <td> Line 32: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 27: </td> <td> Line 34: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ==February 16th, 2011. Capitol Corridor Joint Powers Board Meeting==<br> + <br> + The meeting was in Suisun City at the City Council Chambers. The fence was be discussed, with input from several Davis residents. Union Pacific withdrew its request for public funds for the fence.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-25 17:01:43BruceHansenadd horizontal line after update <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 4: </td> <td> Line 4: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ -----</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-25 16:51:22Flynn(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 176: </td> <td> Line 176: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2011-04-25 17:47:16'' [[nbsp]] As a Slatter's Court resident, the new short fences are, in a word, INSULTING. A direct slap in the face of residents in the area, accomplished with a smug smirk from a company that's used to being a 500-pound gorilla. Honestly, given the amount of vandalism the legitimate fances suffered, I expect the new ones to last an even shorter time... assuming that someone doesn't just open a hole in the existing fences two feet to the right of the new ones. Just sayin'. </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2011-04-25 17:47:16'' [[nbsp]] As a Slatter's Court resident, the new short fences are, in a word, INSULTING. A direct slap in the face of residents in the area, accomplished with a smug smirk from a company that's used to being a 500-pound gorilla. Honestly, given the amount of vandalism the legitimate fances suffered, I expect the new ones to last an even shorter time... assuming that someone doesn't just open a hole in the existing fences two feet to the right of the new ones. Just sayin'.<span>&nbsp;Mind you, if the old fences DO turn out to be within UP's property line, then the reasonable response would be to remove the fences entirely.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-25 16:47:16FlynnComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 175: </td> <td> Line 175: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-04-25 17:47:16'' [[nbsp]] As a Slatter's Court resident, the new short fences are, in a word, INSULTING. A direct slap in the face of residents in the area, accomplished with a smug smirk from a company that's used to being a 500-pound gorilla. Honestly, given the amount of vandalism the legitimate fances suffered, I expect the new ones to last an even shorter time... assuming that someone doesn't just open a hole in the existing fences two feet to the right of the new ones. Just sayin'.<br> + <br> + Also, way to be REAL jerks, doing it while kids are off at school, so their regular route home is blocked, forcing them to go the long way around. While I wouldn't wish it on any parent, I would love to see the community's reaction when a child that normally crosses safely at the tracks be struck by a car at the intersection. --["Users/Flynn"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-04-25 13:49:47AlanMillerUpdate <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 2: </td> <td> Line 2: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + UPDATE: On April 25, 2011, Union Pacific crews built short sections of tall fence in front of the Davis Mobile Estates and Slater's Court gates, blocking both gates. No notice was given to the City, other than UP's long-standing assertion that it would build a fence. Crews were on site before 8 a.m. and were done before 10 a.m.. Union Pacific conducted a property-line survey last month that showed that the gates are within their property; the City disputes this claim. Union Pacific has turned up the heat on the issue and is asserting what it believes to be its right to build on its property and block the gates.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-03-24 15:42:57JoshLawsonComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 171: </td> <td> Line 171: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-03-24 16:42:57'' [[nbsp]] As a strong advocate of border control, I support this fence 100%! Olive drive and it's trailer park/shanty towns are an eyesore and Slater's Court needs to be demolished. They should also include a few guard towers so that if anyone tries to climb the fence, they are shot. The last thing we need are convenient paths for the poor to travel on...next thing we know, downtown will be flooded with Four Loko drinking assjacks from the trailer parks sp'anging for meth money.... --["Users/JoshLawson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-03-23 10:46:35MattJurach(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 3: </td> <td> Line 3: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The ["Union Pacific Railroad"] is preparing to build a '''3800 foot fence''' between the railroad and much of ["Olive Drive"]. According to an article in ["the Davis Enterprise"] (November 4), Union Pacific is in discussion "with the city and other partners". According to a ["RR Fence Op Ed" Railroad Fence Op-Ed] by Alan Miller, the proposed fence is to be 8-feet high, will be steel reinforced in wrought iron style and is claimed to be "impenetrable" by conventional means. The material cost is approximately $250,000 and will be Proposition 1B funds allocated through the Capitol Corridor Joint Powers Authority which manages the ["Capitol Corridor"] trains. Union Pacific will supply the labor to build the fence. As currently proposed, the fence will run along the south side of the tracks only, from where ["Richards Boulevard"] passes under the railroad, to the east end of ["Olive Drive"] at the turnaround loop adjacent to the Olive Drive exit from ["I-80"], which is also the point at which the ["Highway 40"] ["bike paths" bicycle path] begins. </td> <td> <span>+</span> The ["Union Pacific Railroad"] is preparing to build a '''3800 foot fence''' between the railroad and much of ["Olive Drive"]. According to an article in ["the Davis Enterprise"] (November 4<span>, 2010</span>), Union Pacific is in discussion "with the city and other partners". According to a ["RR Fence Op Ed" Railroad Fence Op-Ed] by Alan Miller, the proposed fence is to be 8-feet high, will be steel reinforced in wrought iron style and is claimed to be "impenetrable" by conventional means. The material cost is approximately $250,000 and will be Proposition 1B funds allocated through the Capitol Corridor Joint Powers Authority which manages the ["Capitol Corridor"] trains. Union Pacific will supply the labor to build the fence. As currently proposed, the fence will run along the south side of the tracks only, from where ["Richards Boulevard"] passes under the railroad, to the east end of ["Olive Drive"] at the turnaround loop adjacent to the Olive Drive exit from ["I-80"], which is also the point at which the ["Highway 40"] ["bike paths" bicycle path] begins. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-02-07 09:17:05BruceHansentypos <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 48: </td> <td> Line 48: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The issue was discussed for three hours at the January 11, ["2011"] ["City Council"] meeting. Representatives from the Federal Railroad Administration and the Union Pacific Railroad were <span>be </span>present, giving presentations and to answer questions of the public and the council. Oddly, the UP rep mostly spoke about Operation Lifesaver issues. The oddest statement was that there was a 'nearby' legal crossing of the tracks. That is a statement that could be true o<span>f</span> false depending on whether or not you actually have to use the Richard<span>'</span>s crossing or consider it near or far. The woman from the FRA spoke on why trains had to blow their horns in Davis and that since there was no public crossing there was no crossing to remove or alter to allow trains not to blow their horns. The universal reaction to her presentation was 'what the hell does that have to do with the fence?'. Twenty residents spoke. None spoke in favor of the fence as proposed. </td> <td> <span>+</span> The issue was discussed for three hours at the January 11, ["2011"] ["City Council"] meeting. Representatives from the Federal Railroad Administration and the Union Pacific Railroad were present, giving presentations and to answer questions of the public and the council. Oddly, the UP rep mostly spoke about Operation Lifesaver issues. The oddest statement was that there was a 'nearby' legal crossing of the tracks. That is a statement that could be true o<span>r</span> false depending on whether or not you actually have to use the Richards crossing or consider it near or far. The woman from the FRA spoke on why trains had to blow their horns in Davis and that since there was no public crossing there was no crossing to remove or alter to allow trains not to blow their horns. The universal reaction to her presentation was 'what the hell does that have to do with the fence?'. Twenty residents spoke. None spoke in favor of the fence as proposed. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-02-06 22:12:01AlanMiller <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 9: </td> <td> Line 9: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ==Public Workshop on Olive Drive Railroad Fence @ January 11, 2011 City Council Meeting==</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 11: </td> <td> Line 10: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- The issue will be on the agenda for the January 11, ["2011"] ["City Council"] meeting. Representatives from the Federal Railroad Administration and the Union Pacific Railroad will be present, giving presentations and to answer questions of the public and the council. The issue will be first on the agenda after formalities which begin at 6:30pm. All interested citizens should attend this meeting. Whatever direction this project takes, the railroad can go ahead with this on the railroads time line, thus citizens should consider that working with the City to find a solution to this issue is on a much tighter time line than most City planning issues.<br> - </span> </td> <td> <span>+ The Capitol Corridor Joint Powers Board will be holding a meeting in Suisun City at the City Council Chambers on Wednesday, February 16th at 10am. The fence will be discussed, and input from Davis residents able to make the meeting is strongly encouraged. At this point it appears the release of funds for the fence may not even be considered at this meeting. Regardless, the CCJPA needs to hear that Davis citizens are concerned about this issue.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 47: </td> <td> Line 45: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + ==Public Workshop on Olive Drive Railroad Fence @ January 11, 2011 City Council Meeting==<br> + <br> + The issue was discussed for three hours at the January 11, ["2011"] ["City Council"] meeting. Representatives from the Federal Railroad Administration and the Union Pacific Railroad were be present, giving presentations and to answer questions of the public and the council. Oddly, the UP rep mostly spoke about Operation Lifesaver issues. The oddest statement was that there was a 'nearby' legal crossing of the tracks. That is a statement that could be true of false depending on whether or not you actually have to use the Richard's crossing or consider it near or far. The woman from the FRA spoke on why trains had to blow their horns in Davis and that since there was no public crossing there was no crossing to remove or alter to allow trains not to blow their horns. The universal reaction to her presentation was 'what the hell does that have to do with the fence?'. Twenty residents spoke. None spoke in favor of the fence as proposed.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-01-24 12:47:03RogerOLittgeComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 165: </td> <td> Line 165: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-01-24 12:47:03'' [[nbsp]] As has been stated, railroads are protected from most attempts at prescriptive easements across their right-of-way, but the situation in Davis is very special, perhaps unique, in that SP installed concrete and steel aprons (walkways between and next to the tracks, for pedestrian &amp; bicycle traffic) to completely cross the tracks, not just for passenger access to trains.<br> + Railroads are federally regulated, but all California laws, it can be argued, apply to their property, unless countermanded by federal law. Someone stealing a purse on railroad tracks can still be apprehended, despite there being no Federal law against purse snatching, since the property is still in California.<br> + Another method available to the City of Davis is condemnation of the right-of-way across the tracks. Sure, this is usually only done for vehicular roadways, but Davis has a very special tradition of bicycle promotion, and may convince a Federal court that it should be allowed to condemn the present well established rights-of-way which have allowed many hundreds of thousands of safe crossings of the tracks over the last 132 years. --["Users/RogerOLittge"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-01-13 11:39:55DavidGrundler(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 160: </td> <td> Line 160: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * The likelihood of Davis prevailing in a case of this nature is almost zero. In the case of Penn Central Trans Co. vs Pirate Canoe Club, the Pirate Canoe Club won because A) their land was landlocked by the railroad and there were no alternative routes, and B) the easement was a permanent easement that was recorded in the dee<span>p</span> of the property. With the current situation in Davis, people cross the tracks for convenience, not necessity, and there are no recorded easements. --["Users/DavidGrundler"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * The likelihood of Davis prevailing in a case of this nature is almost zero. In the case of Penn Central Trans Co. vs Pirate Canoe Club, the Pirate Canoe Club won because A) their land was landlocked by the railroad and there were no alternative routes, and B) the easement was a permanent easement that was recorded in the dee<span>d</span> of the property. With the current situation in Davis, people cross the tracks for convenience, not necessity, and there are no recorded easements. --["Users/DavidGrundler"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-01-12 20:25:42BruceHansenComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 163: </td> <td> Line 163: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-01-12 20:25:42'' [[nbsp]] Here's an idea: Maybe have a cyclone fence. At each opening have a cage that would lift pedestrians and bikes over the tracks. --["Users/BruceHansen"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-01-12 18:25:42AlanMillerComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 161: </td> <td> Line 161: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-01-12 18:25:42'' [[nbsp]] There were comments made last night that the railroad does not own the land and that prescriptive easements apply to railroads. Unfortunately, this is not the case. The lawyer who spoke later cleared this up and he was correct. I know these well meaning people will stick to their beliefs, but it will not help this cause. The only two (legal) routes to solving this are piecing together a boatload of money for an an overhead ped/bicycle bridge, or piecing together a smaller boatload of money and making a very, very strong case to the PUC that an at-grade crossing is warranted here. There are simply no other avenues to pursue. --["Users/AlanMiller"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-01-12 16:11:30DavidGrundler <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 160: </td> <td> Line 160: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * The likelihood of Davis prevailing in a case of this nature is almost zero. In the case of Penn Central Trans Co. vs Pirate Canoe Club, the Pirate Canoe Club won because A) their land was landlocked by the railroad and there were no alternative routes, and B) the easement was a permanent easement that was recorded in the deep of the property. With the current situation in Davis, people cross the tracks for convenience, not necessity, and there are no recorded easements. --["Users/DavidGrundler"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-01-11 11:40:36RogerOLittgeComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 157: </td> <td> Line 157: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-01-11 11:40:36'' [[nbsp]] Despite a comment that railroads are immune from easement legal steps, such is not the case. They win most of the cases since such cases are often spurious. There are good case studies (Penn Central Trans Co. vs Pirate Canoe Club) which stopped the railroad from stopping established right-of-way easements.<br> + The City should assert its rights to these easements, but the key person (SG) representing Davis to the railroad and authorities is not helpful. --["Users/RogerOLittge"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-01-06 06:04:20BruceHanseneast instead of south? <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 5: </td> <td> Line 5: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The fence, if it remains un-breached, forces residents of Olive Drive to a single exit from the neighborhood, known by some as ["the worst intersection in Davis"], Olive Drive and ["Richards Boulevard"]. This legal route is much longer than crossing the tracks, as one must cross Richards, go through the bike tunnel, and then cross again at ["1st Street" 1st] &amp; ["E Street" E] Streets, a ["traffic patterns" very long light] where, strangely, a bike ends up on the left side of E Street and so has to cross E Street to ride legally into downtown. There is also no rational way to go from the ["Borders"] side of the intersection onto 1st Street going <span>south</span> into ["downtown"] on a ["bicycles" bicycle] except to stop in the middle of the crosswalk going north and back ones bike into the traffic lane half way across and wait for the light, a very odd but semi-functional path. For those going to east Davis from Olive Drive, there is no legal exit from the bike path until ["Mace Boulevard"], some ["East Davis" two miles east]. Some pedestrians/bicyclists going to points in east Davis will probably cross the tracks illegally past the east end of the fence to access ["2nd Street"], ["Pole Line Road"] and ["East Davis"] destinations. </td> <td> <span>+</span> The fence, if it remains un-breached, forces residents of Olive Drive to a single exit from the neighborhood, known by some as ["the worst intersection in Davis"], Olive Drive and ["Richards Boulevard"]. This legal route is much longer than crossing the tracks, as one must cross Richards, go through the bike tunnel, and then cross again at ["1st Street" 1st] &amp; ["E Street" E] Streets, a ["traffic patterns" very long light] where, strangely, a bike ends up on the left side of E Street and so has to cross E Street to ride legally into downtown. There is also no rational way to go from the ["Borders"] side of the intersection onto 1st Street going <span>east</span> into ["downtown"] on a ["bicycles" bicycle] except to stop in the middle of the crosswalk going north and back ones bike into the traffic lane half way across and wait for the light, a very odd but semi-functional path. For those going to east Davis from Olive Drive, there is no legal exit from the bike path until ["Mace Boulevard"], some ["East Davis" two miles east]. Some pedestrians/bicyclists going to points in east Davis will probably cross the tracks illegally past the east end of the fence to access ["2nd Street"], ["Pole Line Road"] and ["East Davis"] destinations. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-01-06 06:02:36BruceHansenRevert to version 173 (to correct what is reverted). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 5: </td> <td> Line 5: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The fence, if it remains un-breached, forces residents of Olive Drive to a single exit from the neighborhood, known by some as ["the worst intersection in Davis"], Olive Drive and ["Richards Boulevard"]. This legal route is much longer than crossing the tracks, as one must cross Richards, go through the bike tunnel, and then cross again at ["1st Street" 1st] &amp; ["E Street" E] Streets, a ["traffic patterns" very long light] where, strangely, a bike ends up on the left side of E Street and so has to cross E Street to ride legally into downtown. For those going to east Davis from Olive Drive, there is no legal exit from the bike path until ["Mace Boulevard"], some ["East Davis" two miles east]. Some pedestrians/bicyclists going to points in east Davis will probably cross the tracks illegally past the east end of the fence to access ["2nd Street"], ["Pole Line Road"] and ["East Davis"] destinations. </td> <td> <span>+</span> The fence, if it remains un-breached, forces residents of Olive Drive to a single exit from the neighborhood, known by some as ["the worst intersection in Davis"], Olive Drive and ["Richards Boulevard"]. This legal route is much longer than crossing the tracks, as one must cross Richards, go through the bike tunnel, and then cross again at ["1st Street" 1st] &amp; ["E Street" E] Streets, a ["traffic patterns" very long light] where, strangely, a bike ends up on the left side of E Street and so has to cross E Street to ride legally into downtown. <span>There is also no rational way to go from the ["Borders"] side of the intersection onto 1st Street going south into ["downtown"] on a ["bicycles" bicycle] except to stop in the middle of the crosswalk going north and back ones bike into the traffic lane half way across and wait for the light, a very odd but semi-functional path. </span>For those going to east Davis from Olive Drive, there is no legal exit from the bike path until ["Mace Boulevard"], some ["East Davis" two miles east]. Some pedestrians/bicyclists going to points in east Davis will probably cross the tracks illegally past the east end of the fence to access ["2nd Street"], ["Pole Line Road"] and ["East Davis"] destinations. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-01-06 03:24:19BruceHansenremove unclear sentence about 1st and E crossing <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 5: </td> <td> Line 5: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The fence, if it remains un-breached, forces residents of Olive Drive to a single exit from the neighborhood, known by some as ["the worst intersection in Davis"], Olive Drive and ["Richards Boulevard"]. This legal route is much longer than crossing the tracks, as one must cross Richards, go through the bike tunnel, and then cross again at ["1st Street" 1st] &amp; ["E Street" E] Streets, a ["traffic patterns" very long light] where, strangely, a bike ends up on the left side of E Street and so has to cross E Street to ride legally into downtown. <span>There is also no rational way to go from the ["Borders"] side of the intersection onto 1st Street going south into ["downtown"] on a ["bicycles" bicycle] except to stop in the middle of the crosswalk going north and back ones bike into the traffic lane half way across and wait for the light, a very odd but semi-functional path. </span>For those going to east Davis from Olive Drive, there is no legal exit from the bike path until ["Mace Boulevard"], some ["East Davis" two miles east]. Some pedestrians/bicyclists going to points in east Davis will probably cross the tracks illegally past the east end of the fence to access ["2nd Street"], ["Pole Line Road"] and ["East Davis"] destinations. </td> <td> <span>+</span> The fence, if it remains un-breached, forces residents of Olive Drive to a single exit from the neighborhood, known by some as ["the worst intersection in Davis"], Olive Drive and ["Richards Boulevard"]. This legal route is much longer than crossing the tracks, as one must cross Richards, go through the bike tunnel, and then cross again at ["1st Street" 1st] &amp; ["E Street" E] Streets, a ["traffic patterns" very long light] where, strangely, a bike ends up on the left side of E Street and so has to cross E Street to ride legally into downtown. For those going to east Davis from Olive Drive, there is no legal exit from the bike path until ["Mace Boulevard"], some ["East Davis" two miles east]. Some pedestrians/bicyclists going to points in east Davis will probably cross the tracks illegally past the east end of the fence to access ["2nd Street"], ["Pole Line Road"] and ["East Davis"] destinations. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-01-06 03:13:26BruceHansen1st and E Streets <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 5: </td> <td> Line 5: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The fence, if it remains un-breached, forces residents of Olive Drive to a single exit from the neighborhood, known by some as ["the worst intersection in Davis"], Olive Drive and ["Richards Boulevard"]. This legal route is much longer than crossing the tracks, as one must cross Richards, go through the bike tunnel, and then cross again at ["1st Street"]<span>&nbsp;1st</span> &amp; ["E Street" E], a ["traffic patterns" very long light] where, strangely, a bike ends up on the left side of E Street and so has to cross E Street to ride legally into downtown. There is also no rational way to go from the ["Borders"] side of the intersection onto 1st Street going south into ["downtown"] on a ["bicycles" bicycle] except to stop in the middle of the crosswalk going north and back ones bike into the traffic lane half way across and wait for the light, a very odd but semi-functional path. For those going to east Davis from Olive Drive, there is no legal exit from the bike path until ["Mace Boulevard"], some ["East Davis" two miles east]. Some pedestrians/bicyclists going to points in east Davis will probably cross the tracks illegally past the east end of the fence to access ["2nd Street"], ["Pole Line Road"] and ["East Davis"] destinations. </td> <td> <span>+</span> The fence, if it remains un-breached, forces residents of Olive Drive to a single exit from the neighborhood, known by some as ["the worst intersection in Davis"], Olive Drive and ["Richards Boulevard"]. This legal route is much longer than crossing the tracks, as one must cross Richards, go through the bike tunnel, and then cross again at ["1st Street"<span>&nbsp;1st</span>] &amp; ["E Street" E]<span>&nbsp;Streets</span>, a ["traffic patterns" very long light] where, strangely, a bike ends up on the left side of E Street and so has to cross E Street to ride legally into downtown. There is also no rational way to go from the ["Borders"] side of the intersection onto 1st Street going south into ["downtown"] on a ["bicycles" bicycle] except to stop in the middle of the crosswalk going north and back ones bike into the traffic lane half way across and wait for the light, a very odd but semi-functional path. For those going to east Davis from Olive Drive, there is no legal exit from the bike path until ["Mace Boulevard"], some ["East Davis" two miles east]. Some pedestrians/bicyclists going to points in east Davis will probably cross the tracks illegally past the east end of the fence to access ["2nd Street"], ["Pole Line Road"] and ["East Davis"] destinations. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-01-04 11:38:41AlanMillermore pending articles. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 68: </td> <td> Line 68: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * January 3, 2010 [PENDING] by Sarahni Pecson in the California Aggie </td> <td> <span>+</span> * January 3, 2010 [PENDING] by Sarahni Pecson in the California Aggie<span>.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 72: </td> <td> Line 72: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Dec 8, 2010 [PENDING] by Bob Dunning in the Davis Enterprise.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-01-04 11:33:46AlanMillerPartial Update Pending - New media stories - more to come. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p>No differences found!</div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-01-04 11:20:07AlanMillerPartial Update Pending - New media stories - more to come. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 68: </td> <td> Line 68: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> <span>+ * January 3, 2010 [PENDING] by Sarahni Pecson in the California Aggie<br> + * Dec 31, 2010 [PENDING] by Bob Dunning in the Davis Enterprise.<br> + * Dec 30, 2010 [PENDING] by Jeff Hudson in the Davis Enterprise.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-01-04 10:59:26AlanMillerUpdate <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 11: </td> <td> Line 11: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- The issue will be on the agenda for the January 11, ["2011"] ["City Council"] meeting. This may actually become a "workshop" on the issue with railroad representatives present. ''Update this page if you know details.'' All interested citizens should attend this meeting. Whatever direction this project takes, the railroad can go ahead with this on the railroads time line, thus citizens should consider that working with the City to find a solution to this issue is on a much tighter time line than most City planning issues.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ The issue will be on the agenda for the January 11, ["2011"] ["City Council"] meeting. Representatives from the Federal Railroad Administration and the Union Pacific Railroad will be present, giving presentations and to answer questions of the public and the council. The issue will be first on the agenda after formalities which begin at 6:30pm. All interested citizens should attend this meeting. Whatever direction this project takes, the railroad can go ahead with this on the railroads time line, thus citizens should consider that working with the City to find a solution to this issue is on a much tighter time line than most City planning issues.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-01-04 10:22:23WilliamLewis <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 153: </td> <td> Line 153: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- :</span>Mike, the stats and the law are very clear. The stats say that the city's railroad tracks are much more dangerous than its streets. The law is equally clear about the procedures: Don't cross the tracks at all, except at designated crossings. Don't expect any of the bit of the law to slow down the fence; the law is entirely in favor of a fence. The only reason that people have crossed these tracks all these years, is that the railroad tolerated it, just because. If the city tried to goad them to play nasty, it would be an easy slam dunk for them. You have to cooperate with world outside of Davis, or else you won't get anything. --["Users/GregKuperberg"] </td> <td> <span>+ </span>Mike, the stats and the law are very clear. The stats say that the city's railroad tracks are much more dangerous than its streets. The law is equally clear about the procedures: Don't cross the tracks at all, except at designated crossings. Don't expect any of the bit of the law to slow down the fence; the law is entirely in favor of a fence. The only reason that people have crossed these tracks all these years, is that the railroad tolerated it, just because. If the city tried to goad them to play nasty, it would be an easy slam dunk for them. You have to cooperate with world outside of Davis, or else you won't get anything. --["Users/GregKuperberg"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-01-04 07:27:32GregKuperberg <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 152: </td> <td> Line 152: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + :Mike, the stats and the law are very clear. The stats say that the city's railroad tracks are much more dangerous than its streets. The law is equally clear about the procedures: Don't cross the tracks at all, except at designated crossings. Don't expect any of the bit of the law to slow down the fence; the law is entirely in favor of a fence. The only reason that people have crossed these tracks all these years, is that the railroad tolerated it, just because. If the city tried to goad them to play nasty, it would be an easy slam dunk for them. You have to cooperate with world outside of Davis, or else you won't get anything. --["Users/GregKuperberg"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-01-03 22:20:01m610Fix my name in my comments. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 151: </td> <td> Line 151: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> All this situation needs is people who know how to cross the street, are fit to cross a street, are willing to do it correctly, and will take responsibilities for their own screw ups.<span><br> - </span> --["Users/m610"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> All this situation needs is people who know how to cross the street, are fit to cross a street, are willing to do it correctly, and will take responsibilities for their own screw ups.<span>&nbsp;(Mike Meier)</span> --["Users/m610"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-01-03 22:18:41m610Comment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 142: </td> <td> Line 142: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-01-03 22:18:41'' [[nbsp]] I used to live on Olive drive, twice, and for years I walked the tracks to get to classes on campus, almost daily, all the way from about where Public Storage is to the Arboretum, usually on a single rail. I also used to cross it often with my bike to come into town to shop. Many hundreds of times I did these things, and never once did I have any issues at all. I think the safety argument has been blown way out of proportion. It appears that most of those killed on the tracks were drunk or otherwise incapacitated. That doesn't make the tracks too dangerous to cross, it makes the drunks too dangerous be be allowed out of the house. If a drunk walks out into traffic on 5th street, does that make 5th street more dangerous, or too dangerous to bike on? In fact, I think the stats for the tracks need to be compared to those of the surface streets to restore a little perspective here. I think that if we did that we'd find it would be necessary to fence off many of our streets.<br> + <br> + I was the safety person on a UCD department and also responsible for some hazardous equipment (x-rays, chemicals, cryogens, etc.) used by well over a hundred students and researchers, and in all cases all rules and policies were written with the goal of reducing risk to as low as is reasonably possible. Not absolutely, but reasonably. For instance, when working with x-rays, one has to acknowledge and accept a certain amount of risk. We are told what those risks are, and we can decide to go do something else if that is not acceptable. If you use the x-ray equipment, you are expected to follow the procedures. It's that simple. The same goes for chemicals and other hazards. Our training included discussions of cases where people still managed to hurt themselves, but they did that by ignoring the safety procedures. In the case of the tracks being discussed here, the hazards are hardly any different in kind than crossing a street, and are much less frequent, and as big as trains are, most pass through Davis slower than most cars go on city streets. Still, the procedure is as simple as the one we were taught as kids, look both ways and cross when clear. Not, get drunk and go to sleep on the tracks. The typical counter argument at this point is the "if it saves just one life" argument, which we all know is just coward's nonsense. You could pull that one out any time, for any risk level, and it ultimately leads to something like, "don't get out of bed, you could get killed".<br> + <br> + I suspect there may be another angle here, possibly remote, but also a possible way to stop the fence nonsense, and that has to do with eminent domain, I think that is what it is called, where people have been traveling these routes for years, and that may mean that the owners are now not allowed to stop it. I figure the property owners along Olive Drive must have figured that out years ago when they started putting "no trespassing" signs on land that had well-worn foot paths going through them. Something is bugging the railroad folks, possibly safety, possibly pedestrian right of ways.<br> + <br> + Davis seems to be experiencing an allergic reaction of some sort, one where the immune system attacks itself because it isn't being hit with the bugs that past generations experienced. That, and it seems we need to have a steady supply of dangers to deal with in order to feel like our lives are getting better, or demons to purge to feel more righteous. If it isn't a train track, it's a fire place, or a leaf blower, or the shutoff on self-serve gas pumps. What's next? House paint? It's sad.<br> + <br> + All this situation needs is people who know how to cross the street, are fit to cross a street, are willing to do it correctly, and will take responsibilities for their own screw ups.<br> + --["Users/m610"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-01-03 12:46:36AlanMiller <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 141: </td> <td> Line 141: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I wish that were so, but it doesn't apply to railroads which are under federal jurisdiction. Also, it isn't five years, it is well over a century that people have been crossing the tracks here. --["Users/AlanMiller"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2011-01-03 10:16:28RogerOLittgeComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 137: </td> <td> Line 137: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-01-03 10:16:28'' [[nbsp]] Apparently no one has addressed the legal right of people to use a right-of-way which they have used openly, notoriously, adversely, continuously and uninterruptedly for more than five years. The above constitutes a "easement by prescription," and can be used in court to either block construction of such a fence, or to TEAR IT DOWN once it has been built.<br> + It would be much cheaper for UP and whoever gives them any money, to address this issue of easement having been established by the long use of the at-grade crossing, in which UP (or their predecessor) has already invested considerable funds.<br> + They may say "It will be built!" and it may be built, but the law can force them to either tear it all down, or put in access for the easement mentioned above. --["Users/RogerOLittge"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2010-12-23 17:54:44JimStewartrout-iron? must mean wrought iron <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 3: </td> <td> Line 3: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> The ["Union Pacific Railroad"] is preparing to build a '''3800 foot fence''' between the railroad and much of ["Olive Drive"]. According to an article in ["the Davis Enterprise"] (November 4), Union Pacific is in discussion "with the city and other partners". According to a ["RR Fence Op Ed" Railroad Fence Op-Ed] by Alan Miller, the proposed fence is to be 8-feet high, will be steel reinforced in <span>rout-</span>iron style and is claimed to be "impenetrable" by conventional means. The material cost is approximately $250,000 and will be Proposition 1B funds allocated through the Capitol Corridor Joint Powers Authority which manages the ["Capitol Corridor"] trains. Union Pacific will supply the labor to build the fence. As currently proposed, the fence will run along the south side of the tracks only, from where ["Richards Boulevard"] passes under the railroad, to the east end of ["Olive Drive"] at the turnaround loop adjacent to the Olive Drive exit from ["I-80"], which is also the point at which the ["Highway 40"] ["bike paths" bicycle path] begins. </td> <td> <span>+</span> The ["Union Pacific Railroad"] is preparing to build a '''3800 foot fence''' between the railroad and much of ["Olive Drive"]. According to an article in ["the Davis Enterprise"] (November 4), Union Pacific is in discussion "with the city and other partners". According to a ["RR Fence Op Ed" Railroad Fence Op-Ed] by Alan Miller, the proposed fence is to be 8-feet high, will be steel reinforced in <span>wrought </span>iron style and is claimed to be "impenetrable" by conventional means. The material cost is approximately $250,000 and will be Proposition 1B funds allocated through the Capitol Corridor Joint Powers Authority which manages the ["Capitol Corridor"] trains. Union Pacific will supply the labor to build the fence. As currently proposed, the fence will run along the south side of the tracks only, from where ["Richards Boulevard"] passes under the railroad, to the east end of ["Olive Drive"] at the turnaround loop adjacent to the Olive Drive exit from ["I-80"], which is also the point at which the ["Highway 40"] ["bike paths" bicycle path] begins. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2010-12-23 11:54:05AlanMillerAdding article on SLO working with UP on trail - add section for related topics. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 78: </td> <td> Line 78: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Feb 8, 2008: [https://www.ble.org/pr/news/headline.asp?id=21042/ Statistics on train accidents show 'no rhyme or reason'] , in ["The California Aggie"]<br> + <br> + Related Articles on Cities Working/Dealing with Union Pacific:<br> + <br> + * December 22, 2010: [http://www.newtimesslo.com/news/5443/trail-to-nowhere/ Trail to Nowhere - SLO's Railroad Safety Trail for Cyclists is Being Delayed by Union Pacific] by Rober McDonald in the SLO New Times</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 79: </td> <td> Line 84: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * Feb 8, 2008: [https://www.ble.org/pr/news/headline.asp?id=21042/ Statistics on train accidents show 'no rhyme or reason'] , in ["The California Aggie"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2010-12-21 08:57:59AlanMiller <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 77: </td> <td> Line 77: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * June 13, 2009 [http://search.davisenterprise.com/display.php?id=56163/ Small places, but large responsibilities],by Kirk Trost and Chuck Foster in ["The Davis Enterprise"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * June 13, 2009 [http://search.davisenterprise.com/display.php?id=56163/ Small places, but large responsibilities],<span>&nbsp;</span>by Kirk Trost and Chuck Foster in ["The Davis Enterprise"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2010-12-21 08:56:50AlanMillerAdded Another Article 2009-03-11 <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 77: </td> <td> Line 77: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * June 13, 2009 [http://search.davisenterprise.com/display.php?id=56163/ Small places, but large responsibilities],by Kirk Trost and Chuck Foster in ["The Davis Enterprise"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2010-12-20 22:45:49Angel.York(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 59: </td> <td> Line 59: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * [http://robbdavis.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/olive-drive/ A local blogger's thoughts on <span>class and </span>the Olive Drive Railroad Fence] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * [http://robbdavis.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/olive-drive/ A local blogger's thoughts on the Olive Drive Railroad Fence<span>&nbsp;and class</span>] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2010-12-20 22:45:30Angel.York(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 59: </td> <td> Line 59: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * [http://robbdavis.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/olive-drive/ A local blogger's thoughts on class and Olive Drive] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * [http://robbdavis.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/olive-drive/ A local blogger's thoughts on class and <span>the </span>Olive Drive<span>&nbsp;Railroad Fence</span>] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2010-12-20 22:45:12Angel.York(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 59: </td> <td> Line 59: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * [http://robbdavis.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/olive-drive/ A local blogger's thoughts] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * [http://robbdavis.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/olive-drive/ A local blogger's thoughts<span>&nbsp;on class and Olive Drive</span>] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2010-12-20 22:43:46Angel.York(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 59: </td> <td> Line 59: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * [<span>"</span>http://robbdavis.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/olive-drive/<span>"</span> A local blogger's thoughts] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * [http://robbdavis.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/olive-drive/ A local blogger's thoughts] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2010-12-20 22:43:28Angel.York(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 59: </td> <td> Line 59: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * ["http://robbdavis.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/olive-drive/" A local blogger's thoughts]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2010-12-16 14:25:00JoePomidor'Tis but one Olive Drive <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> [[Image(Proposed Area.jpg, thumbnail, 400, right, "The proposed fence does not actually run along ["Olive Drive"], but rather the south side of the tracks (the Olive Drive<span>s</span> side) from the Richards Boulevard overcrossing to roughly the east end of Olive")]] </td> <td> <span>+</span> [[Image(Proposed Area.jpg, thumbnail, 400, right, "The proposed fence does not actually run along ["Olive Drive"], but rather the south side of the tracks (the Olive Drive side) from the Richards Boulevard overcrossing to roughly the east end of Olive")]] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2010-12-16 14:14:15AlanMiller <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> [[Image(Proposed Area.jpg, thumbnail, 400, right, "The proposed fence does not actually run along ["Olive Drive"], but rather the south side (<span>facing</span> Olive Drive) from Richards to roughly the east end of Olive")]] </td> <td> <span>+</span> [[Image(Proposed Area.jpg, thumbnail, 400, right, "The proposed fence does not actually run along ["Olive Drive"], but rather the south side <span>of the tracks </span>(<span>the</span> Olive Drive<span>s side</span>) from <span>the </span>Richards<span>&nbsp;Boulevard overcrossing</span> to roughly the east end of Olive")]] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Olive Drive Railroad Fencehttp://daviswiki.org/Olive_Drive_Railroad_Fence2010-12-16 14:06:46WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Olive Drive Railroad Fence<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 54: </td> <td> Line 54: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ["Users/jefftolentino" Jeff Tolentino<span>"</span>] makes the (satirical) proposal, "I'd like to propose a bridge built from East Davis to Burgers and Brew. I live in East Davis, and all my neighbors between here and Burgers and Brew have put up fences! More so, the City of Davis and their horrendous planning department, designed all the streets in just such a way that I inevitably have to ride my bike in some direction that is not straight to Burger's and Brew. What's more, not only do I have to cross the train tracks, I have to cross L Street and 5th Street. Do you know how dangerous 5th street is? It sucks. I'm tired of East Davis getting this sort of treatment. Its time to take a stand!" </td> <td> <span>+</span> ["Users/jefftolentino" Jeff Tolentino] makes the (satirical) proposal, "I'd like to propose a bridge built from East Davis to Burgers and Brew. I live in East Davis, and all my neighbors between here and Burgers and Brew have put up fences! More so, the City of Davis and their horrendous planning department, designed all the streets in just such a way that I inevitably have to ride my bike in some direction that is not straight to Burger's and Brew. What's more, not only do I have to cross the train tracks, I have to cross L Street and 5th Street. Do you know how dangerous 5th street is? It sucks. I'm tired of East Davis getting this sort of treatment. Its time to take a stand!" </td> </tr> </table> </div>