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CovertProfessor — 2009-11-15 13:45:38

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- As of July 27, 2008, the ["The People's Vanguard of Davis"] is [http://davisvanguard.blogspot.com/2008/07/trader-joes-finally-is-coming-to-town.html reporting] that RAS will move to a location on Covell and a new building will be constructed at their current U Mall location for Trader Joe's.	+ As of July 27, 2008, the ["The People's Vanguard of Davis"] is [http://davisvanguard.blogspot.com/2008/07/trader-joes-finally-is-coming-to-town.html reporting] that RAS will move to a location on Covell and a new building will be constructed at their current U Mall location for Trader Joe's. Trader Joe's is scheduled to open in Davis in October 2010.

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jsogul — 2009-07-27 15:11:46

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	+ * The original bid was rejected late June, but the U-Mall owners were still negotiating with Forever 21 as well as with other unnamed potential tenants, as reported in the Enterprise. The Enterprise speculated that they could also be talking with Trader Joe's, but I don't think there was any evidence to support that other than hearsay, because the owners did not say who they were talking to. There hasn't really been any other news since then. --["Users/jsogul"]

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condemned2bfree — 2009-07-27 10:59:35

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	+ + * Sorry to burst your bubble, and I may be wrong, but I hear from one of the vendors in the Mall that the lease for Forever 21 was rejected by the owners of the Mall for various reasons, including rent and whether it was the best use of the space. --["Users/condemned2bfree"]

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ThUn — 2009-07-27 01:24:42

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	+ ------ + ''2009-07-27 02:24:42'' [[nbsp]] I hear that it will be a Forever 21 taking over the space in the University Mall. I hope it is the Forever 21, a person I know who works at the Forever 21 in Arden Mall has said that she is pretty certain that we are getting a Forever 21 store in Davis. It will carry both the women's and men's line of clothing. YAY! --["Users/ThUn"]

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Jaclyn — 2009-03-02 21:10:47

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	+ ------ + ''2009-03-02 21:10:47'' [[nbsp]] So, are they still planning on building it? When will it open? I live RIGHT next to U mall, I wish it was there! I want TJ's!!!! --["Users/Jaclyn"]

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JonathanLawton — 2009-02-01 21:39:52

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DougWalter — 2009-02-01 20:01:34

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- However, as the planning commision made its first recommendations to the council on September 26, 2006, it is revealed that ["Radiological Associates of Sacramento"] (RAS), located on the proposed Trader Joe's site, is unwilling to move. RAS moved into the building in 2003 on a 14-year lease and has invested $1.6 million in structural improvements.[[Footnote(St. John, Claire. ''[http://www.davisenterprise.com/articles/2006/09/29/news/094new2.txt Stumbling block for Trader Joe’s].'' ["The Davis Enterprise"]. 2006-09-28.)]]	+ However, as the planning commision made its first recommendations to the Council on September 26, 2006, it is revealed that ["Radiological Associates of Sacramento"] (RAS), located on the proposed Trader Joe's site, is unwilling to move. RAS moved into the building in 2003 on a 14-year lease and has invested $1.6 million in structural improvements.[[Footnote(St. John, Claire. ''[http://www.davisenterprise.com/articles/2006/09/29/news/094new2.txt Stumbling block for Trader Joe’s].'' ["The Davis Enterprise"]. 2006-09-28.)]]
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- October 17, 2006, the city council approved zoning changes that would allow Trader Joe's to move in. RAS still occupies the lot and despite attempts to convince them to relocate, they have shown little interest in doing so. The rezoning would also allow RAS to move into the University Mall building, though this would mean another business would have to leave. Note that the city has no control over these lease negotiations. ["Teriyaki Express"] has already been given a 30-day eviction notice by UMall owner Centro Watt.[[Footnote(St. John, Claire. ''[http://www.davisenterprise.com/articles/2006/10/18/news/074new2.txt Council OKs store].'' ["The Davis Enterprise"]. 2006-10-18.)]] In May 2007, Centro Watt filed suit against RAS over terms of the lease.[[Footnote(St. John, Claire. ''[http://www.davisenterprise.com/articles/2007/05/18/news/228new1.txt Mall sues RAS to make way for Trader Joe’s]''. ["The Davis Enterprise"]. 2007-05-17.)]]	+ October 17, 2006, the City Council approved zoning changes that would allow Trader Joe's to move in. RAS still occupies the lot and despite attempts to convince them to relocate, they have shown little interest in doing so. The rezoning would also allow RAS to move into the University Mall building, though this would mean another business would have to leave. Note that the city has no control over these lease negotiations. ["Teriyaki Express"] has already been given a 30-day eviction notice by UMall owner Centro Watt.[[Footnote(St. John, Claire. ''[http://www.davisenterprise.com/articles/2006/10/18/news/074new2.txt Council OKs store].'' ["The Davis Enterprise"]. 2006-10-18.)]] In May 2007, Centro Watt filed suit against RAS over terms of the lease.[[Footnote(St. John, Claire. ''[http://www.davisenterprise.com/articles/2007/05/18/news/228new1.txt Mall sues RAS to make way for Trader Joe’s]''. ["The Davis Enterprise"]. 2007-05-17.)]]
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- The store has been greatly desired by ["Davis"] residents and the ["Measure X"] campaign tried to entice voters with the possibility of a TJ inside ["Covell Village"].	+ The store has been greatly desired by ["Davis"] residents and the ["Measure X"] campaign tried to entice voters with the possibility of a TJ inside ["Covell Village"]. Trader Joe's is owned by German billionaire [wiki:wikipedia:Theo_Albrecht Theo Albrecht]. He also owns the Aldi Nord grocery store chain in Germany. There are shoppers who still think of the chain as being either small or Californian. + + One of the reasons people love this specialty grocer is that everyday at Trader Joe's someone is demoing a usually tasty and strange recipe during business hours.
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- Trader Joe's is owned by German billionaire [wiki:wikipedia:Theo_Albrecht Theo Albrecht]. He also owns the Aldi Nord grocery store chain in Germany.
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- [[Include(IntegrateComments)]] - - ---- - - '''Well''', there isn't a [http://traderjoes.com Trader Joe's] in Davis... yet. Some have said they would never come to a town like ["Davis"]. Others wish they would replace ["Food Fair"] or the former ["Harvest Market"] (now ["Cost Plus World Market" Cost Plus]). The concern is that they would take business from our beloved ["Davis Food Co-op"]. We do miss the ["Cheap Food" inexpensive], upscale variety of TJ's though. For these reasons, a TJ's in far ["East Davis" East] or ["West Davis"] would be welcome. The West end has ["Village Homes"] to feed it, the East end may have the population (especially if ["Covell Village"] goes through). The ["Davis Wish List"] shows there are many who would like one. ["Users/KenBloom"] said he's read "actual plans" to build one at ["8th Street" 8th] & ["Pole Line Road" Pole Line]. If ["Covell Village"] was approved (["Measure X"]), it would gave definitely included a Trader Joe's. The lease [http://davisenterprise.com/articles/2005/10/07/news/086new1.txt had been signed]. ["Users/AaAa"] claims that Trader Joe's denies this and has recently asked the developers to stop using their name in the Measure X campaign. Trader Joe's would be within ["walking distance"] for the residents. - - But even though Covell Village did not pass, Davis will likely still get a Trader Joe's. Covell Village is not Davis' only chance at securing a Trader Joe's. TJ was already in negotions with two locations in Davis. Alhambra Center at Mace & Alhambra which has not yet been approved and with the Interland/South Davis Center which has been approved and is nearing construction. Also, rumor has it that if the ["Second Street Crossing"] (["Target"]) is approved by the ["City Council"] in May of 2006, then a Trader Joe's may be built at that shopping center at the corner of Mace and Second Street (hardly ["Walking Distance" walking distance] for most of Davis but certainly ["Unitrans" bus]sing distance). If this plan goes through it would be completed by 2008. - - One of the reasons people love this specialty grocer is that everyday at Trader Joe's someone is demoing a usually tasty and strange recipe during business hours. -	+ ["Trader Joe's/2005 and 2006 comments" Past comments & speculations, about Trader Joe's and Davis politics]
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- - ''2005-10-23 10:18:07'' [[nbsp]] I'd be ok with the Trader Joe's giving the Co-op some competition. Trader Joe's also takes in products from local farmers. --["Users/ApolloStumpy"] - I heard that none of Trader Joe's produce is local. In fact, it was almost all from abroad. Is this true? --["Users/JackHaskel"] - * According to Trader Joes this statement is FALSE. Trader Joes does sell some local produce, I do not know how much, but I here it is a significant amount. In response to a customer who aked why the prices were different in her local trader joes in california vs. the one in another state, Trader Joes responded by saying - "Trader Joe's has stores in many states and regions and we try to source goods locally where we can. Because of this, we have a selection of fresh deli products, breads, dairy and juices that will vary in most states." -- ["Users/MattHh"] - TJ's outlines its many organic items in this [http://www.traderjoes.com/products/WCorganic.pdf brochure], but they don't say anything specific about using local produce. --["Users/CraigBrozinsky"] - Either way, they treat their employees better and offer better selection. If the co-op can't compete, then it should get out of town. --["Users/ApolloStumpy"] - Mindless Capitalism, 101: three cheers for products over people! Unconscious consumerism for all! Social Darwinism is the ultimate measure of man! Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah! --["Users/ZacharyNorwood"] - How much does the co-op pay its workers and managers compared to Trader Joe's? Oh, I get it...they don't deal with money there...workers get warm fuzzies, and that pays all the bills in this high rent town. Trader Joe's also buys plenty of fair trade products...so maybe it's not the farmer in Solano who benefits as much, but some indy produce maker is benefiting, and probably more of them too, thanks to Trader Joe's better management and leverage. --["Users/ApolloStumpy"] - You have to analyze things case by case. I'm a fan of TJ's, but when its corporate expansion starts scheming with development projects, I take time to re-evaluate their motives and overall, comparative worth. Star Bucks has fair trade coffee, but I wouldn't call them advocates of fair-trade. The benifits of a TJ's are insignificant, by the way--they're frivolous benifits. "Ohhh, now I can get TJ's beef jerky--wow, my life is better." And my position is not co-op vs. TJ's, btw (but you seem to bend logic to your liking). --["Users/ZacharyNorwood"] - - ''2005-10-23 20:20:57'' [[nbsp]] And my position is not abject capitalism. You started with the idiot logic and now when challenged, you can't even show how the co-op is a more humane business than Trader Joe's. From [http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_17/b3880016.htm Businessweek] : - - ''One place where TJ's has never stinted is with its employees. Besides above-union wages and generous bonuses (pay for entry-level part-timers starts at $8 to $12 an hour; first-year supervisors average more than $40,000 a year), TJ's contributes an additional 15.4% of each worker's gross pay into a company-funded retirement plan.'' Remind me, what does the co-op offer? 11% off of their exoborant prices? Oh boy! --["Users/ApolloStumpy"] - * Hehe--okay, let me explain things to you explicitly, since your awareness of logic (and by this I mean informal logic, of course) isn't too keen: (a) by not supporting TJ's, it does not follow, necessarily, that one supports the co-op (these positions are not mutually exclusive, yet you conflate the two nonetheless) and (b) it does not necessarily follow that if a company gives its employees comparatively better wages that it is a superior company, in every other way, or that it is a necessary addition to society. Is that clear enough?-- ["Users/ZacharyNorwood" ZN] - * My comments have solely been about Trader Joe's and Co-op competing with each other. If you want to bring in trader joe's agreement with the Covell Village, then start your own comment thread. Instead, you bash me for being a mindless capitalist just because I'm cool with Trader Joe's being competitive with co-op. --["Users/ApolloStumpy"] - - * Don't forget the logic bashing, too! That's important. Good day.--["Users/ZacharyNorwood" ZN] - ------ - ''2005-12-19 19:57:02'' [[nbsp]] It was amazing how the school newspaper turned the prop X debate into pro or con trader joes and ignored the real issue of having a housing development there. Trader Joes was like the developer's Trojan Horse. --["Users/DudeNude"] - ------ - ''2006-06-05 16:12:11'' [[nbsp]] I'd be happy to see Trader Joe's in the U-Mall, but am dubious of the "can handle the loss of spaces" comment in the article. Would they build into the existing mall? Outside across from Cost Plus? The lot always looks pretty crowded whenever I'm there. But ["Bicycling" Bike City, USA], right? So no problem! --["Users/KevinChin"] - ------ - ''2006-06-05 16:32:54'' [[nbsp]] After reading the article, I was about to post the same thing that Kevin said...that parking lot is terrible! If they reallocate the spaces...then maybe it could be better, but otherwise, with both Cost Plus AND Trader Joe's...I fear that parking will be impossible. --["Users/KarlaFung"] - ------ - ''2006-06-05 16:42:14'' [[nbsp]] I can't imagine any configuration of that parking lot that would work with a Trader Joe's plopped into the middle of it. It's a nice location '''in theory''' (increased traffic on Russell notwithstanding), but personally I'd much rather Trader Joe's just usurp Cost Plus's space. Maybe they can carve out an ["Old Teahouse"] sized plot and call it the Trader Joe's Express --["Users/TravisGrathwell"] - ------ - ''2006-06-05 18:34:25'' [[nbsp]] Where ["Food Fair"] was would be absolutely ideal. Even if it used only half or a quarter of the building. That shopping center kinda sucks, might help revitalize it. Parking wouldn't be a problem at all. But YAY on Trader Joes no matter where it is, since people will go. --["Users/EdWins" ES] - ------ - ''2006-06-05 22:49:44'' [[nbsp]] From what I heard (through the downtown grapevine) they are going to shuffle some of the businesses around inside the University Mall to create most of the space. I, personally would have preferred to see Traders Joes downtown - in the parking lot behind ["Kinko's"]. They're planning to build a 3 story parking structure there eventually anyway. Or anywhere downtown. It would provide a great boost to downtown businesses. The Food Fair location is too far outside of the center. It will probably be converted to office space. --["Users/JonFenske"] - ------ - ''2006-06-05 23:13:22'' [[nbsp]] Nah, it's not far at all, I think everyone would definitely still make the trip by bike, bus, or car. West Davis doesn't have a nice shopping center, just that ghostlike one. I meant if Trader Joe's comes, it might revamp it and maybe some other small and nice things will lease there too. Turn it into a respectable shopping center worth going to rather then a block of junk space and a couple restaurants. --["Users/EdWins" ES] - ------ - ''2006-06-06 09:30:53'' [[nbsp]] If TJ's ends up in the U-Mall, is there any concern that it will take buisness away from Cost Plus? Cost Plus has a large selection of dry goods and wine. TJ's surely will impact Cost Plus' food sales. --["Users/DaveBanister"] - ------ - ''2006-06-06 11:10:40'' [[nbsp]] Please, please, I urge everyone not to find reasons to protest this store coming to Davis. The location is fine. The neighboring students will benefit having more food options close by. Cost Plus will not suffer. In fact, they will benefit. People coming to Trader Joe's will drop in to their store while they are there, and vice versa. --["Users/SharlaDaly"] - ------ - ''2006-06-06 11:32:36'' [[nbsp]] In my home town, TJ's and Cost Plus are right across the parking lot from each other and have been for quite a few years now. I don't think one has ruined the other's business. However, I still say that the location although ideal, given the circumstances of parking, traffic flow, etc....will suck ultimately. --["Users/KarlaFung"] - ------ - ''2006-06-06 11:46:16'' [[nbsp]] I'm shocked, SHOCKED! This has to be stopped! Think of the traffic in the neighborhood! Where will all the customers park? Think of the crime! It will destroy downtown businesses! Davis is a small, charming village and corporate despoilers are coming! Think of the poor tenants in ["University Commons Apartments"] and ["Sycamore Lane Apartments"]. When they signed their leases I'm sure they didn't anticipate having to live next door to THIS! Join DON'T (Davisites Opposed to New Trader joes) Website coming soon. --["Users/PaulThober"] - ------ - ''2006-06-06 13:42:36'' [[nbsp]] I wrote to Trader Joe’s two years ago and warned them about Davis and the ridiculous hostility they would face if they tried to develop a store in the community. They would be much better off building stores elsewhere. At least they figured a reasonably good location – in the middle of the student population (the normal people) and generally away from everyone else. --["Users/SteveHayes"] - ------ - ''2006-06-06 15:17:13'' [[nbsp]] I read Sharla's comment and laughed. I've been waiting for a TJ's for so long I almost edited my comment after I wrote it. But ultimately I'd still take one anywhere in town (any City Councillors listening? I haven't voted yet, you know!). Even at the U-Mall it'll mean that I'll have one less reason to drive to Sac, and that's worth the bike ride over. Mmmm. . . I can just taste the Monteblue & Populet now. . . --["Users/KevinChin"] - - * Was alerted to the [http://www.cityofdavis.org/meetings/councilpackets/20060711/07_Trader_Joes-University_Mall.pdf City Council Meeting packet] on Trader Joe's, and have to admit that I forgot entirely about the parking on the west side. The link also has a map of the site plan around p. 15 of the pdf. -K - ------ - ''2006-06-06 19:12:02'' [[nbsp]] If there's a Trader Joes in Davis, and CostCo and (a bigger and nicer) Target in Woodland, I think I can even live without a Target in Davis. Of course, I figure there's a lot more reason to have a Target than all those damn ["car dealerships"]... --["Users/JaimeRaba"] - - ----- - Clearly it is ridiculous to compare building a target in Davis and building a trader Joe’s. Target is a one stop shopping super center while trader Joes is more like a grocery store. the people who are against trader Joes because they are a corporation that will hurt small business must have been against Safeway, Albertsons, rite aid, longs, and other stores of similar size or they are acting like hypocrites. This area of Davis lacks a grocery store near buy. Students living at the dorms result to buying junk food at rite aid and the DC food stores. Students deserve access to produce and other health items. Remember that students at the dorms are not aloud a car, so Safeway and Albertsons are terribly inconvenient for them (biking provides a challenge for caring back groceries if you don’t have a large basket. Secondly target clearly PLANS on taking business away from a lot of stores including grocery stores and drug stores. They can afford to offer below cost food items to get people to come there to shop for appliances and clothing ect. Target will put other stores out of business. Target would not move here if they planned not to, it just wouldn’t be profitable. Simply taking sales that would otherwise go to the woodland target or other outside big box stores would cause target as a company to lose a lot of money, because all they would be doing is increasing cost by a lot and only increasing total sales as a corporation by very little. the only way they can make money by moving a target to Davis is by taking business from other stores or getting the public to spend more money. And most people are on at least a semi fixed income so the former seems way more likely. Trader Joe’s would be catering to students living in the dorms which is a somewhat untapped market. The co-op would still exist because the people who shop at the co-op are not concerned about price anyway or else they would shop at other grocery stores. --["Users/MattHh"] - ------ - ''2006-08-08 13:39:52'' [[nbsp]] Parking would not be too much of a problem if U Mall were able to prevent students from parking there as a substitute for parking on campus. A security guard patrolling for this kind of parking misuse would free us as much parking as TJ's would remove. Also, the parking lot is at its capacity when the grad is full, but most of the other business are closed anyway, including TJ's. I think it could work. And I think Davis is big enough for TJ's and the Co-Op, and it might prompt the Co-Op to improve to compete. Competition is good for consumers, and in a competitive market, the customer is king. Let consumers vote with their dollars, not lobby the city council. --["Users/MatthewPearson"] - ------ - Less parking is a good thing. fewer parking spots = turn to alternative transportation = less traffic. - ["Users/PhilCameron"] - ------ - ''2006-10-15 22:29:44'' [[nbsp]] Yesterday I saw a Trader Joe's coming soon sign on the kiosk in front of the old Food Fair --["Users/RobiPochapin"] - ------ - ''2006-10-15 23:36:53'' [[nbsp]] I saw the same thing as Robi on Saturday. A sign at the small shopping cneter in West Davis. --["Users/JoAnnaRich"] - ------ - ''2006-10-16 04:16:50'' [[nbsp]] I have also seen the same sign, though there is nothing posted on their site. --["Users/JamesKrause"] - ------ - ''2006-10-16 15:56:28'' [[nbsp]] As of Mon. afternoon the official looking but fishy seeming sign has been removed from the kiosk at Westlake shopping center. I spoke with Steve at the Stonegate club and learned that the management of Westlake said something like "Huh?" when asked "what's up?". We'll just keep our fingers crossed here in the Far West --["Users/RobiPochapin"]
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- ''2009-02-01 08:37:03'' [[nbsp]] The lines in the body of the entry "Trader Joe's is owned by German billionaire [wikipedia]Theo Albrecht. He built up a vast fortune after [WWW]serving in the Nazi army." seem odd when you follow the link and read that - - "Karl was born into difficult circumstances in 1920, his brother Theo two years later. Their father was an out-of-work miner affected with black lung disease, who worked as a hired hand in a bread factory. Their mother ran a small grocery store in a working class neighborhood. - - "Both sons apprenticed in food retail, Theo at his mother's shop and Karl in a well-known gourmet store. Their studies were interrupted by World War II, which saw Theo go to Africa and Karl to the eastern front." - - Does the person who added this tidbit--I haven't bothered to drill back and find who the person was--find it significant that two young men in Germany in the late 30s and 40s served in the German--yes Nazi German--Army? (I understand that it wasn't exactly optional in those unhappy days.) Does Theo's army service taint Trader Joe's?" Are we supposed to infer that Theo is still a Nazi? Or is it that Theo is a billionaire that is significant? I'm just curious. --["Users/DavidRobinson"] - * Yes, it seems designed to suggest that he made his fortune ''because of'' his serving with the Nazis during the war, which doesn't seem true according to the link. - * That info was added [http://daviswiki.org/Trader_Joe%27s?action=diff&version2=79&version1=78 edit #78]. I say remove it. There was a similar thing on the Ikea's page for a while, and I don't think it's really relevant to the business. However, I do think that Trader Joes is not local and is foreign owned is interesting, as that's directly about the business. I'd suggest simply rewriting the line, with a wikipedia link (that also doesn't mention his war service) to the owner. -["users/Edwins" ES] - * I agree. --["Users/JonathanLawton"] - * I agree. --["Users/Jedron"]

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EdWins — 2009-02-01 10:55:41

This should probably be on the talk page, but I think it'll be tackled quickly.

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	+ * That info was added [http://daviswiki.org/Trader_Joe%27s?action=diff&version2=79&version1=78 edit #78]. I say remove it. There was a similar thing on the Ikea's page for a while, and I don't think it's really relevant to the business. However, I do think that Trader Joes is not local and is foreign owned is interesting, as that's directly about the business. I'd suggest simply rewriting the line, with a wikipedia link (that also doesn't mention his war service) to the owner. -["users/Edwins" ES]

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ScottWeintraub — 2009-01-08 11:28:30

deleting my mean comment

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- ''2007-03-20 08:32:43'' [[nbsp]] Does anyone shop at Gottschalks? I thought not. That would be a great location for TJ's. --["Users/ScottWeintraub"] - ------

Trader Joe's

ScottWeintraub — 2009-01-08 11:27:35

Revert to version 87 (apparently, I don't know what I'm doing).

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- Trader Joe's is proposing to build a 12,000-square-foot store in the ["University Mall"] parking lot. The ["city council"] received the application on June 5, 2006 and it was originally slated to open by the end of 2007, according to an [http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2006/06/05/daily8.html?from_rss=1 article] in the Sacramento Business Journal.[[Footnote(Johnson, Kelly. ''[http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2006/06/05/daily8.html?from_rss=1 Davis shopping center applies for grocery].'' Sacramento Business Journal. 2006-06-05)]]	+ '''Trader Joe's''' is proposing to build a 12,000-square-foot store in the ["University Mall"] parking lot. The ["city council"] received the application on June 5, 2006 and it was originally slated to open by the end of 2007, according to an [http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2006/06/05/daily8.html?from_rss=1 article] in the Sacramento Business Journal.[[Footnote(Johnson, Kelly. ''[http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2006/06/05/daily8.html?from_rss=1 Davis shopping center applies for grocery].'' Sacramento Business Journal. 2006-06-05)]]
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- October 17, 2006, the city council approved zoning changes that would allow Trader Joe's to move in. RAS still occupies the lot and despite attempts to convince them to relocate, they have shown little interest in doing so. The rezoning would also allow RAS to move into the University Mall building, though this would mean another business would have to leave. Note that the city has no control over these lease negotiations. ["Teriyaki Express"] has already been given a 30-day eviction notice by UMall owner Centro Watt.[[Footnote(St. John, Claire. ''[http://www.davisenterprise.com/articles/2006/10/18/news/074new2.txt Council OKs store].'' ["The Davis Enterprise"]. 2006-10-18.)]]	+ October 17, 2006, the city council approved zoning changes that would allow Trader Joe's to move in. RAS still occupies the lot and despite attempts to convince them to relocate, they have shown little interest in doing so. The rezoning would also allow RAS to move into the University Mall building, though this would mean another business would have to leave. Note that the city has no control over these lease negotiations. ["Teriyaki Express"] has already been given a 30-day eviction notice by UMall owner Centro Watt.[[Footnote(St. John, Claire. ''[http://www.davisenterprise.com/articles/2006/10/18/news/074new2.txt Council OKs store].'' ["The Davis Enterprise"]. 2006-10-18.)]] In May 2007, Centro Watt filed suit against RAS over terms of the lease.[[Footnote(St. John, Claire. ''[http://www.davisenterprise.com/articles/2007/05/18/news/228new1.txt Mall sues RAS to make way for Trader Joe’s]''. ["The Davis Enterprise"]. 2007-05-17.)]] + + As of July 27, 2008, the ["The People's Vanguard of Davis"] is [http://davisvanguard.blogspot.com/2008/07/trader-joes-finally-is-coming-to-town.html reporting] that RAS will move to a location on Covell and a new building will be constructed at their current U Mall location for Trader Joe's.
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	+ + The nearest Trader Joe's is in Sacramento: [wiki:sacramento:Trader_Joe's]
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	+ Trader Joe's is owned by German billionaire Theo Albrecht. He built up a vast fortune after serving in the Nazi army. +
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- '''Well''', there isn't a [http://traderjoes.com Trader Joe's] in Davis... yet. Some have said they would never come to a town like ["Davis"]. Others wish they would replace ["Food Fair"] or the former ["Harvest Market"] (now ["Cost Plus World Market" Cost Plus Plus]). The concern is that they would take business from our beloved ["Davis Food Co-op"]. We do miss the ["Cheap Food" inexpensive], upscale variety of TJ's though. For these reasons, a TJ's in far ["East Davis" East] or ["West Davis"] would be welcome. The West end has ["Village Homes"] to feed it, the East end may have the population (especially if ["Covell Village"] goes through). The ["Davis Wish List"] shows there are many who would like one. ["KenBloom"] said he's read "actual plans" to build one at ["8th Street" 8th] & ["Pole Line Road" Pole Line]. If ["Covell Village"] was approved (["Measure X"]), it would gave definitely included a Trader Joe's. The lease [http://davisenterprise.com/articles/2005/10/07/news/086new1.txt had been signed]. ["AaAa"] claims that Trader Joe's denies this and has recently asked the developers to stop using their name in the Measure X campaign. Trader Joe's would be within ["walking distance"] for the residents.	+ '''Well''', there isn't a [http://traderjoes.com Trader Joe's] in Davis... yet. Some have said they would never come to a town like ["Davis"]. Others wish they would replace ["Food Fair"] or the former ["Harvest Market"] (now ["Cost Plus World Market" Cost Plus]). The concern is that they would take business from our beloved ["Davis Food Co-op"]. We do miss the ["Cheap Food" inexpensive], upscale variety of TJ's though. For these reasons, a TJ's in far ["East Davis" East] or ["West Davis"] would be welcome. The West end has ["Village Homes"] to feed it, the East end may have the population (especially if ["Covell Village"] goes through). The ["Davis Wish List"] shows there are many who would like one. ["Users/KenBloom"] said he's read "actual plans" to build one at ["8th Street" 8th] & ["Pole Line Road" Pole Line]. If ["Covell Village"] was approved (["Measure X"]), it would gave definitely included a Trader Joe's. The lease [http://davisenterprise.com/articles/2005/10/07/news/086new1.txt had been signed]. ["Users/AaAa"] claims that Trader Joe's denies this and has recently asked the developers to stop using their name in the Measure X campaign. Trader Joe's would be within ["walking distance"] for the residents.
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- One of the reasons people love this speciality grocer is that everyday at Trader Joe's someone is demoing a usually tasty and strange recipe during business hours.	+ One of the reasons people love this specialty grocer is that everyday at Trader Joe's someone is demoing a usually tasty and strange recipe during business hours.
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- ''2005-10-23 10:18:07'' [[nbsp]] I'd be ok with the Trader Joe's giving the Co-op some competition. Trader Joe's also takes in products from local farmers. --["ApolloStumpy"] - I heard that none of Trader Joe's produce is local. In fact, it was almost all from abroad. Is this true? --["JackHaskel"] - - TJ's outlines its many organic items in this [http://www.traderjoes.com/products/WCorganic.pdf brochure], but they don't say anything specific about using local produce. --["CraigBrozinsky"] - Either way, they treat their employees better and offer better selection. If the co-op can't compete, then it should get out of town. --["ApolloStumpy"] - Mindless Capitalism, 101: three cheers for products over people! Unconscious consumerism for all! Social Darwinism is the ultimate measure of man! Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah! --["ZacharyNorwood"] - How much does the co-op pay its workers and managers compared to Trader Joe's? Oh, I get it...they don't deal with money there...workers get warm fuzzies, and that pays all the bills in this high rent town. Trader Joe's also buys plenty of fair trade products...so maybe it's not the farmer in Solano who benefits as much, but some indy produce maker is benefiting, and probably more of them too, thanks to Trader Joe's better management and leverage. --["ApolloStumpy"] - You have to analyze things case by case. I'm a fan of TJ's, but when its corporate expansion starts scheming with development projects, I take time to re-evaluate their motives and overall, comparative worth. Star Bucks has fair trade coffee, but I wouldn't call them advocates of fair-trade. The benifits of a TJ's are insignificant, by the way--they're frivolous benifits. "Ohhh, now I can get TJ's beef jerky--wow, my life is better." And my position is not co-op vs. TJ's, btw (but you seem to bend logic to your liking). --["ZacharyNorwood"]	+ ''2005-10-23 10:18:07'' [[nbsp]] I'd be ok with the Trader Joe's giving the Co-op some competition. Trader Joe's also takes in products from local farmers. --["Users/ApolloStumpy"] + I heard that none of Trader Joe's produce is local. In fact, it was almost all from abroad. Is this true? --["Users/JackHaskel"] + * According to Trader Joes this statement is FALSE. Trader Joes does sell some local produce, I do not know how much, but I here it is a significant amount. In response to a customer who aked why the prices were different in her local trader joes in california vs. the one in another state, Trader Joes responded by saying + "Trader Joe's has stores in many states and regions and we try to source goods locally where we can. Because of this, we have a selection of fresh deli products, breads, dairy and juices that will vary in most states." -- ["Users/MattHh"] + TJ's outlines its many organic items in this [http://www.traderjoes.com/products/WCorganic.pdf brochure], but they don't say anything specific about using local produce. --["Users/CraigBrozinsky"] + Either way, they treat their employees better and offer better selection. If the co-op can't compete, then it should get out of town. --["Users/ApolloStumpy"] + Mindless Capitalism, 101: three cheers for products over people! Unconscious consumerism for all! Social Darwinism is the ultimate measure of man! Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah! --["Users/ZacharyNorwood"] + How much does the co-op pay its workers and managers compared to Trader Joe's? Oh, I get it...they don't deal with money there...workers get warm fuzzies, and that pays all the bills in this high rent town. Trader Joe's also buys plenty of fair trade products...so maybe it's not the farmer in Solano who benefits as much, but some indy produce maker is benefiting, and probably more of them too, thanks to Trader Joe's better management and leverage. --["Users/ApolloStumpy"] + You have to analyze things case by case. I'm a fan of TJ's, but when its corporate expansion starts scheming with development projects, I take time to re-evaluate their motives and overall, comparative worth. Star Bucks has fair trade coffee, but I wouldn't call them advocates of fair-trade. The benifits of a TJ's are insignificant, by the way--they're frivolous benifits. "Ohhh, now I can get TJ's beef jerky--wow, my life is better." And my position is not co-op vs. TJ's, btw (but you seem to bend logic to your liking). --["Users/ZacharyNorwood"]
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- ''One place where TJ's has never stinted is with its employees. Besides above-union wages and generous bonuses (pay for entry-level part-timers starts at $8 to $12 an hour; first-year supervisors average more than $40,000 a year), TJ's contributes an additional 15.4% of each worker's gross pay into a company-funded retirement plan.'' Remind me, what does the co-op offer? 11% off of their exoborant prices? Oh boy! --["ApolloStumpy"] - * Hehe--okay, let me explain things to you explicitly, since your awareness of logic (and by this I mean informal logic, of course) isn't too keen: (a) by not supporting TJ's, it does not follow, necessarily, that one supports the co-op (these positions are not mutually exclusive, yet you conflate the two nonetheless) and (b) it does not necessarily follow that if a company gives its employees comparatively better wages that it is a superior company, in every other way, or that it is a necessary addition to society. Is that clear enough?-- ["ZacharyNorwood" ZN] - * My comments have solely been about Trader Joe's and Co-op competing with each other. If you want to bring in trader joe's agreement with the Covell Village, then start your own comment thread. Instead, you bash me for being a mindless capitalist just because I'm cool with Trader Joe's being competitive with co-op. --["ApolloStumpy"]	+ ''One place where TJ's has never stinted is with its employees. Besides above-union wages and generous bonuses (pay for entry-level part-timers starts at $8 to $12 an hour; first-year supervisors average more than $40,000 a year), TJ's contributes an additional 15.4% of each worker's gross pay into a company-funded retirement plan.'' Remind me, what does the co-op offer? 11% off of their exoborant prices? Oh boy! --["Users/ApolloStumpy"] + * Hehe--okay, let me explain things to you explicitly, since your awareness of logic (and by this I mean informal logic, of course) isn't too keen: (a) by not supporting TJ's, it does not follow, necessarily, that one supports the co-op (these positions are not mutually exclusive, yet you conflate the two nonetheless) and (b) it does not necessarily follow that if a company gives its employees comparatively better wages that it is a superior company, in every other way, or that it is a necessary addition to society. Is that clear enough?-- ["Users/ZacharyNorwood" ZN] + * My comments have solely been about Trader Joe's and Co-op competing with each other. If you want to bring in trader joe's agreement with the Covell Village, then start your own comment thread. Instead, you bash me for being a mindless capitalist just because I'm cool with Trader Joe's being competitive with co-op. --["Users/ApolloStumpy"]
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- * Don't forget the logic bashing, too! That's important. Good day.--["ZacharyNorwood" ZN]	+ * Don't forget the logic bashing, too! That's important. Good day.--["Users/ZacharyNorwood" ZN]
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- ''2005-12-19 19:57:02'' [[nbsp]] It was amazing how the school newspaper turned the prop X debate into pro or con trader joes and ignored the real issue of having a housing development there. Trader Joes was like the developer's Trojan Horse. --["DudeNude"]	+ ''2005-12-19 19:57:02'' [[nbsp]] It was amazing how the school newspaper turned the prop X debate into pro or con trader joes and ignored the real issue of having a housing development there. Trader Joes was like the developer's Trojan Horse. --["Users/DudeNude"]
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- ''2006-06-05 16:12:11'' [[nbsp]] I'd be happy to see Trader Joe's in the U-Mall, but am dubious of the "can handle the loss of spaces" comment in the article. Would they build into the existing mall? Outside across from Cost Plus? The lot always looks pretty crowded whenever I'm there. But ["Bicycling" Bike City, USA], right? So no problem! --["KevinChin"]	+ ''2006-06-05 16:12:11'' [[nbsp]] I'd be happy to see Trader Joe's in the U-Mall, but am dubious of the "can handle the loss of spaces" comment in the article. Would they build into the existing mall? Outside across from Cost Plus? The lot always looks pretty crowded whenever I'm there. But ["Bicycling" Bike City, USA], right? So no problem! --["Users/KevinChin"]
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- ''2006-06-05 16:32:54'' [[nbsp]] After reading the article, I was about to post the same thing that Kevin said...that parking lot is terrible! If they reallocate the spaces...then maybe it could be better, but otherwise, with both Cost Plus AND Trader Joe's...I fear that parking will be impossible. --["KarlaFung"]	+ ''2006-06-05 16:32:54'' [[nbsp]] After reading the article, I was about to post the same thing that Kevin said...that parking lot is terrible! If they reallocate the spaces...then maybe it could be better, but otherwise, with both Cost Plus AND Trader Joe's...I fear that parking will be impossible. --["Users/KarlaFung"]
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- ''2006-06-05 16:42:14'' [[nbsp]] I can't imagine any configuration of that parking lot that would work with a Trader Joe's plopped into the middle of it. It's a nice location '''in theory''' (increased traffic on Russell notwithstanding), but personally I'd much rather Trader Joe's just usurp Cost Plus's space. Maybe they can carve out an ["Old Teahouse"] sized plot and call it the Trader Joe's Express --["TravisGrathwell"]	+ ''2006-06-05 16:42:14'' [[nbsp]] I can't imagine any configuration of that parking lot that would work with a Trader Joe's plopped into the middle of it. It's a nice location '''in theory''' (increased traffic on Russell notwithstanding), but personally I'd much rather Trader Joe's just usurp Cost Plus's space. Maybe they can carve out an ["Old Teahouse"] sized plot and call it the Trader Joe's Express --["Users/TravisGrathwell"]
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- ''2006-06-05 18:34:25'' [[nbsp]] Where ["Food Fair"] was would be absolutely ideal. Even if it used only half or a quarter of the building. That shopping center kinda sucks, might help revitalize it. Parking wouldn't be a problem at all. But YAY on Trader Joes no matter where it is, since people will go. --["EdwinSaada"]	+ ''2006-06-05 18:34:25'' [[nbsp]] Where ["Food Fair"] was would be absolutely ideal. Even if it used only half or a quarter of the building. That shopping center kinda sucks, might help revitalize it. Parking wouldn't be a problem at all. But YAY on Trader Joes no matter where it is, since people will go. --["Users/EdWins" ES]
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- ''2006-06-05 22:49:44'' [[nbsp]] From what I heard (through the downtown grapevine) they are going to shuffle some of the businesses around inside the University Mall to create most of the space. I, personally would have preferred to see Traders Joes downtown - in the parking lot behind Kinkos. They're planning to build a 3 story parking structure there eventually anyway. Or anywhere downtown. It would provide a great boost to downtown businesses. The Food Fair location is too far outside of the center. It will probably be converted to office space. --["JonFenske"]	+ ''2006-06-05 22:49:44'' [[nbsp]] From what I heard (through the downtown grapevine) they are going to shuffle some of the businesses around inside the University Mall to create most of the space. I, personally would have preferred to see Traders Joes downtown - in the parking lot behind ["Kinko's"]. They're planning to build a 3 story parking structure there eventually anyway. Or anywhere downtown. It would provide a great boost to downtown businesses. The Food Fair location is too far outside of the center. It will probably be converted to office space. --["Users/JonFenske"]
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- ''2006-06-05 23:13:22'' [[nbsp]] Nah, it's not far at all, I think everyone would definitely still make the trip by bike, bus, or car. West Davis doesn't have a nice shopping center, just that ghostlike one. I meant if Trader Joe's comes, it might revamp it and maybe some other small and nice things will lease there too. Turn it into a respectable shopping center worth going to rather then a block of junk space and a couple restaurants. --["EdwinSaada"]	+ ''2006-06-05 23:13:22'' [[nbsp]] Nah, it's not far at all, I think everyone would definitely still make the trip by bike, bus, or car. West Davis doesn't have a nice shopping center, just that ghostlike one. I meant if Trader Joe's comes, it might revamp it and maybe some other small and nice things will lease there too. Turn it into a respectable shopping center worth going to rather then a block of junk space and a couple restaurants. --["Users/EdWins" ES]
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- ''2006-06-06 09:30:53'' [[nbsp]] If TJ's ends up in the U-Mall, is there any concern that it will take buisness away from Cost Plus? Cost Plus has a large selection of dry goods and wine. TJ's surely will impact Cost Plus' food sales. --["DaveBanister"]	+ ''2006-06-06 09:30:53'' [[nbsp]] If TJ's ends up in the U-Mall, is there any concern that it will take buisness away from Cost Plus? Cost Plus has a large selection of dry goods and wine. TJ's surely will impact Cost Plus' food sales. --["Users/DaveBanister"]
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- ''2006-06-06 11:10:40'' [[nbsp]] Please, please, I urge everyone not to find reasons to protest this store coming to Davis. The location is fine. The neighboring students will benefit having more food options close by. Cost Plus will not suffer. In fact, they will benefit. People coming to Trader Joe's will drop in to their store while they are there, and vice versa. --["SharlaDaly"]	+ ''2006-06-06 11:10:40'' [[nbsp]] Please, please, I urge everyone not to find reasons to protest this store coming to Davis. The location is fine. The neighboring students will benefit having more food options close by. Cost Plus will not suffer. In fact, they will benefit. People coming to Trader Joe's will drop in to their store while they are there, and vice versa. --["Users/SharlaDaly"]
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- ''2006-06-06 11:32:36'' [[nbsp]] In my home town, TJ's and Cost Plus are right across the parking lot from each other and have been for quite a few years now. I don't think one has ruined the other's business. However, I still say that the location although ideal, given the circumstances of parking, traffic flow, etc....will suck ultimately. --["KarlaFung"]	+ ''2006-06-06 11:32:36'' [[nbsp]] In my home town, TJ's and Cost Plus are right across the parking lot from each other and have been for quite a few years now. I don't think one has ruined the other's business. However, I still say that the location although ideal, given the circumstances of parking, traffic flow, etc....will suck ultimately. --["Users/KarlaFung"]
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- ''2006-06-06 11:46:16'' [[nbsp]] I'm shocked, SHOCKED! This has to be stopped! Think of the traffic in the neighborhood! Where will all the customers park? Think of the crime! It will destroy downtown businesses! Davis is a small, charming village and corporate despoilers are coming! Think of the poor tenants in ["University Commons Apartments"] and ["Sycamore Lane Apartments"]. When they signed their leases I'm sure they didn't anticipate having to live next door to THIS! Join DON'T (Davisites Opposed to New Trader joes) Website coming soon. --["PaulThober"]	+ ''2006-06-06 11:46:16'' [[nbsp]] I'm shocked, SHOCKED! This has to be stopped! Think of the traffic in the neighborhood! Where will all the customers park? Think of the crime! It will destroy downtown businesses! Davis is a small, charming village and corporate despoilers are coming! Think of the poor tenants in ["University Commons Apartments"] and ["Sycamore Lane Apartments"]. When they signed their leases I'm sure they didn't anticipate having to live next door to THIS! Join DON'T (Davisites Opposed to New Trader joes) Website coming soon. --["Users/PaulThober"]
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- ''2006-06-06 13:42:36'' [[nbsp]] I wrote to Trader Joe’s two years ago and warned them about Davis and the ridiculous hostility they would face if they tried to develop a store in the community. They would be much better off building stores elsewhere. At least they figured a reasonably good location – in the middle of the student population (the normal people) and generally away from everyone else. --["SteveHayes"]	+ ''2006-06-06 13:42:36'' [[nbsp]] I wrote to Trader Joe’s two years ago and warned them about Davis and the ridiculous hostility they would face if they tried to develop a store in the community. They would be much better off building stores elsewhere. At least they figured a reasonably good location – in the middle of the student population (the normal people) and generally away from everyone else. --["Users/SteveHayes"]
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- ''2006-06-06 15:17:13'' [[nbsp]] I read Sharla's comment and laughed. I've been waiting for a TJ's for so long I almost edited my comment after I wrote it. But ultimately I'd still take one anywhere in town (any City Councillors listening? I haven't voted yet, you know!). Even at the U-Mall it'll mean that I'll have one less reason to drive to Sac, and that's worth the bike ride over. Mmmm. . . I can just taste the Monteblue & Populet now. . . --["KevinChin"]	+ ''2006-06-06 15:17:13'' [[nbsp]] I read Sharla's comment and laughed. I've been waiting for a TJ's for so long I almost edited my comment after I wrote it. But ultimately I'd still take one anywhere in town (any City Councillors listening? I haven't voted yet, you know!). Even at the U-Mall it'll mean that I'll have one less reason to drive to Sac, and that's worth the bike ride over. Mmmm. . . I can just taste the Monteblue & Populet now. . . --["Users/KevinChin"]
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- ''2006-06-06 19:12:02'' [[nbsp]] If there's a Trader Joes in Davis, and CostCo and (a bigger and nicer) Target in Woodland, I think I can even live without a Target in Davis. Of course, I figure there's a lot more reason to have a Target than all those damn car dealerships... --["JaimeRaba"]	+ ''2006-06-06 19:12:02'' [[nbsp]] If there's a Trader Joes in Davis, and CostCo and (a bigger and nicer) Target in Woodland, I think I can even live without a Target in Davis. Of course, I figure there's a lot more reason to have a Target than all those damn ["car dealerships"]... --["Users/JaimeRaba"]
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- Clearly it is ridiculous to compare building a target in Davis and building a trader Joe’s. Target is a one stop shopping super center while trader Joes is more like a grocery store. the people who are against trader Joes because they are a corporation that will hurt small business must have been against Safeway, Albertsons, rite aid, longs, and other stores of similar size or they are acting like hypocrites. This area of Davis lacks a grocery store near buy. Students living at the dorms result to buying junk food at rite aid and the DC food stores. Students deserve access to produce and other health items. Remember that students at the dorms are not aloud a car, so Safeway and Albertsons are terribly inconvenient for them (biking provides a challenge for caring back groceries if you don’t have a large basket. Secondly target clearly PLANS on taking business away from a lot of stores including grocery stores and drug stores. They can afford to offer below cost food items to get people to come there to shop for appliances and clothing ect. Target will put other stores out of business. Target would not move here if they planned not to, it just wouldn’t be profitable. Simply taking sales that would otherwise go to the woodland target or other outside big box stores would cause target as a company to lose a lot of money, because all they would be doing is increasing cost by a lot and only increasing total sales as a corporation by very little. the only way they can make money by moving a target to Davis is by taking business from other stores or getting the public to spend more money. And most people are on at least a semi fixed income so the former seems way more likely. Trader Joe’s would be catering to students living in the dorms which is a somewhat untapped market. The co-op would still exist because the people who shop at the co-op are not concerned about price anyway or else they would shop at other grocery stores. --["MattHh"]	+ Clearly it is ridiculous to compare building a target in Davis and building a trader Joe’s. Target is a one stop shopping super center while trader Joes is more like a grocery store. the people who are against trader Joes because they are a corporation that will hurt small business must have been against Safeway, Albertsons, rite aid, longs, and other stores of similar size or they are acting like hypocrites. This area of Davis lacks a grocery store near buy. Students living at the dorms result to buying junk food at rite aid and the DC food stores. Students deserve access to produce and other health items. Remember that students at the dorms are not aloud a car, so Safeway and Albertsons are terribly inconvenient for them (biking provides a challenge for caring back groceries if you don’t have a large basket. Secondly target clearly PLANS on taking business away from a lot of stores including grocery stores and drug stores. They can afford to offer below cost food items to get people to come there to shop for appliances and clothing ect. Target will put other stores out of business. Target would not move here if they planned not to, it just wouldn’t be profitable. Simply taking sales that would otherwise go to the woodland target or other outside big box stores would cause target as a company to lose a lot of money, because all they would be doing is increasing cost by a lot and only increasing total sales as a corporation by very little. the only way they can make money by moving a target to Davis is by taking business from other stores or getting the public to spend more money. And most people are on at least a semi fixed income so the former seems way more likely. Trader Joe’s would be catering to students living in the dorms which is a somewhat untapped market. The co-op would still exist because the people who shop at the co-op are not concerned about price anyway or else they would shop at other grocery stores. --["Users/MattHh"]
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- ''2006-08-08 13:39:52'' [[nbsp]] Parking would not be too much of a problem if U Mall were able to prevent students from parking there as a substitute for parking on campus. A security guard patrolling for this kind of parking misuse would free us as much parking as TJ's would remove. Also, the parking lot is at its capacity when the grad is full, but most of the other business are closed anyway, including TJ's. I think it could work. And I think Davis is big enough for TJ's and the Co-Op, and it might prompt the Co-Op to improve to compete. Competition is good for consumers, and in a competitive market, the customer is king. Let consumers vote with their dollars, not lobby the city council. --["MatthewPearson"]	+ ''2006-08-08 13:39:52'' [[nbsp]] Parking would not be too much of a problem if U Mall were able to prevent students from parking there as a substitute for parking on campus. A security guard patrolling for this kind of parking misuse would free us as much parking as TJ's would remove. Also, the parking lot is at its capacity when the grad is full, but most of the other business are closed anyway, including TJ's. I think it could work. And I think Davis is big enough for TJ's and the Co-Op, and it might prompt the Co-Op to improve to compete. Competition is good for consumers, and in a competitive market, the customer is king. Let consumers vote with their dollars, not lobby the city council. --["Users/MatthewPearson"]
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- ''2006-10-15 22:29:44'' [[nbsp]] Yesterday I saw a Trader Joe's coming soon sign on the kiosk in front of the old Food Fair --["RobiPochapin"]	+ ''2006-10-15 22:29:44'' [[nbsp]] Yesterday I saw a Trader Joe's coming soon sign on the kiosk in front of the old Food Fair --["Users/RobiPochapin"]
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- ''2006-10-15 23:36:53'' [[nbsp]] I saw the same thing as Robi on Saturday. A sign at the small shopping cneter in West Davis. --["JoAnnaRich"]	+ ''2006-10-15 23:36:53'' [[nbsp]] I saw the same thing as Robi on Saturday. A sign at the small shopping cneter in West Davis. --["Users/JoAnnaRich"]
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- ''2006-10-16 04:16:50'' [[nbsp]] I have also seen the same sign, though there is nothing posted on their site. --["JamesKrause"]	+ ''2006-10-16 04:16:50'' [[nbsp]] I have also seen the same sign, though there is nothing posted on their site. --["Users/JamesKrause"]
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- ''2006-10-16 15:56:28'' [[nbsp]] As of Mon. afternoon the official looking but fishy seeming sign has been removed from the kiosk at Westlake shopping center. I spoke with Steve at the Stonegate club and learned that the management of Westlake said something like "Huh?" when asked "what's up?". We'll just keep our fingers crossed here in the Far West --["RobiPochapin"]	+ ''2006-10-16 15:56:28'' [[nbsp]] As of Mon. afternoon the official looking but fishy seeming sign has been removed from the kiosk at Westlake shopping center. I spoke with Steve at the Stonegate club and learned that the management of Westlake said something like "Huh?" when asked "what's up?". We'll just keep our fingers crossed here in the Far West --["Users/RobiPochapin"]
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- ''2007-03-20 08:32:43'' [[nbsp]] Does anyone shop at Gottschalks? I thought not. That would be a great location for TJ's. --["ScottWeintraub"]	+ ''2007-03-20 08:32:43'' [[nbsp]] Does anyone shop at Gottschalks? I thought not. That would be a great location for TJ's. --["Users/ScottWeintraub"] + ------ + ''2007-05-18 20:47:40'' [[nbsp]] One of my coworkers was saying today that they're putting in a Trader Joes at the upcoming Target/Costco shopping center at the intersection of Rd 102/I-5 in Woodland. I tried to find details about it online but was unsuccessful. Could be he's wrong, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. --["Users/AlexPomeranz"] + ------ + ''2007-09-09 17:06:03'' [[nbsp]] I love Trader Joe's. I'm tired of having to ride my motorcycle 18 miles just to go to the one in SAC. At least they don't treat their workers like slaves. --["Users/DavidHolcomb"] + ------ + ''2008-08-28 23:38:02'' [[nbsp]] Another thing about TJ's that hasn't been noted is the fact that you can get basic stuff here for great prices. For example, the prices of butter, eggs, and cream at Trader Joes are almost half of what they are at Safeway. The same can be said of nuts and cheese. I can't wait until this comes in. --["Users/ascapoccia"] + ------ + ''2008-09-10 09:43:01'' [[nbsp]] To request a Trader Joe's in Davis, go to: http://traderjoes.com/contact_us_selection.html --["Users/GrenouilleD"] + ------ + ''2008-09-19 23:06:56'' [[nbsp]] Shame I'm going to be gone when they finally open in Davis. I'd love to see someone give the Coop a run for its money. --["Users/SMCareBare"] + ------ + ''2008-12-12 21:09:08'' [[nbsp]] I am allergic to soy and Trader Joe's is the only place I can find prepared, high quality, organic, fair trade foods that I can eat and afford. I don't believe that the Co-op will be threatened by TJ's any more than it's threatened by Safeway, etc. + --["Users/KatyMartin"]

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ScottWeintraub — 2009-01-08 11:26:59

Revert to version 74 (no need to pile on).

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- '''Trader Joe's''' is proposing to build a 12,000-square-foot store in the ["University Mall"] parking lot. The ["city council"] received the application on June 5, 2006 and it was originally slated to open by the end of 2007, according to an [http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2006/06/05/daily8.html?from_rss=1 article] in the Sacramento Business Journal.[[Footnote(Johnson, Kelly. ''[http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2006/06/05/daily8.html?from_rss=1 Davis shopping center applies for grocery].'' Sacramento Business Journal. 2006-06-05)]]	+ Trader Joe's is proposing to build a 12,000-square-foot store in the ["University Mall"] parking lot. The ["city council"] received the application on June 5, 2006 and it was originally slated to open by the end of 2007, according to an [http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2006/06/05/daily8.html?from_rss=1 article] in the Sacramento Business Journal.[[Footnote(Johnson, Kelly. ''[http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2006/06/05/daily8.html?from_rss=1 Davis shopping center applies for grocery].'' Sacramento Business Journal. 2006-06-05)]]
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- October 17, 2006, the city council approved zoning changes that would allow Trader Joe's to move in. RAS still occupies the lot and despite attempts to convince them to relocate, they have shown little interest in doing so. The rezoning would also allow RAS to move into the University Mall building, though this would mean another business would have to leave. Note that the city has no control over these lease negotiations. ["Teriyaki Express"] has already been given a 30-day eviction notice by UMall owner Centro Watt.[[Footnote(St. John, Claire. ''[http://www.davisenterprise.com/articles/2006/10/18/news/074new2.txt Council OKs store].'' ["The Davis Enterprise"]. 2006-10-18.)]] In May 2007, Centro Watt filed suit against RAS over terms of the lease.[[Footnote(St. John, Claire. ''[http://www.davisenterprise.com/articles/2007/05/18/news/228new1.txt Mall sues RAS to make way for Trader Joe’s]''. ["The Davis Enterprise"]. 2007-05-17.)]] - - As of July 27, 2008, the ["The People's Vanguard of Davis"] is [http://davisvanguard.blogspot.com/2008/07/trader-joes-finally-is-coming-to-town.html reporting] that RAS will move to a location on Covell and a new building will be constructed at their current U Mall location for Trader Joe's.	+ October 17, 2006, the city council approved zoning changes that would allow Trader Joe's to move in. RAS still occupies the lot and despite attempts to convince them to relocate, they have shown little interest in doing so. The rezoning would also allow RAS to move into the University Mall building, though this would mean another business would have to leave. Note that the city has no control over these lease negotiations. ["Teriyaki Express"] has already been given a 30-day eviction notice by UMall owner Centro Watt.[[Footnote(St. John, Claire. ''[http://www.davisenterprise.com/articles/2006/10/18/news/074new2.txt Council OKs store].'' ["The Davis Enterprise"]. 2006-10-18.)]]
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- - The nearest Trader Joe's is in Sacramento: [wiki:sacramento:Trader_Joe's]
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- Trader Joe's is owned by German billionaire Theo Albrecht. He built up a vast fortune after serving in the Nazi army. -
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- '''Well''', there isn't a [http://traderjoes.com Trader Joe's] in Davis... yet. Some have said they would never come to a town like ["Davis"]. Others wish they would replace ["Food Fair"] or the former ["Harvest Market"] (now ["Cost Plus World Market" Cost Plus]). The concern is that they would take business from our beloved ["Davis Food Co-op"]. We do miss the ["Cheap Food" inexpensive], upscale variety of TJ's though. For these reasons, a TJ's in far ["East Davis" East] or ["West Davis"] would be welcome. The West end has ["Village Homes"] to feed it, the East end may have the population (especially if ["Covell Village"] goes through). The ["Davis Wish List"] shows there are many who would like one. ["Users/KenBloom"] said he's read "actual plans" to build one at ["8th Street" 8th] & ["Pole Line Road" Pole Line]. If ["Covell Village"] was approved (["Measure X"]), it would gave definitely included a Trader Joe's. The lease [http://davisenterprise.com/articles/2005/10/07/news/086new1.txt had been signed]. ["Users/AaAa"] claims that Trader Joe's denies this and has recently asked the developers to stop using their name in the Measure X campaign. Trader Joe's would be within ["walking distance"] for the residents.	+ '''Well''', there isn't a [http://traderjoes.com Trader Joe's] in Davis... yet. Some have said they would never come to a town like ["Davis"]. Others wish they would replace ["Food Fair"] or the former ["Harvest Market"] (now ["Cost Plus World Market" Cost Plus Plus]). The concern is that they would take business from our beloved ["Davis Food Co-op"]. We do miss the ["Cheap Food" inexpensive], upscale variety of TJ's though. For these reasons, a TJ's in far ["East Davis" East] or ["West Davis"] would be welcome. The West end has ["Village Homes"] to feed it, the East end may have the population (especially if ["Covell Village"] goes through). The ["Davis Wish List"] shows there are many who would like one. ["KenBloom"] said he's read "actual plans" to build one at ["8th Street" 8th] & ["Pole Line Road" Pole Line]. If ["Covell Village"] was approved (["Measure X"]), it would gave definitely included a Trader Joe's. The lease [http://davisenterprise.com/articles/2005/10/07/news/086new1.txt had been signed]. ["AaAa"] claims that Trader Joe's denies this and has recently asked the developers to stop using their name in the Measure X campaign. Trader Joe's would be within ["walking distance"] for the residents.
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- One of the reasons people love this specialty grocer is that everyday at Trader Joe's someone is demoing a usually tasty and strange recipe during business hours.	+ One of the reasons people love this speciality grocer is that everyday at Trader Joe's someone is demoing a usually tasty and strange recipe during business hours.
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- ''2005-10-23 10:18:07'' [[nbsp]] I'd be ok with the Trader Joe's giving the Co-op some competition. Trader Joe's also takes in products from local farmers. --["Users/ApolloStumpy"] - I heard that none of Trader Joe's produce is local. In fact, it was almost all from abroad. Is this true? --["Users/JackHaskel"] - * According to Trader Joes this statement is FALSE. Trader Joes does sell some local produce, I do not know how much, but I here it is a significant amount. In response to a customer who aked why the prices were different in her local trader joes in california vs. the one in another state, Trader Joes responded by saying - "Trader Joe's has stores in many states and regions and we try to source goods locally where we can. Because of this, we have a selection of fresh deli products, breads, dairy and juices that will vary in most states." -- ["Users/MattHh"] - TJ's outlines its many organic items in this [http://www.traderjoes.com/products/WCorganic.pdf brochure], but they don't say anything specific about using local produce. --["Users/CraigBrozinsky"] - Either way, they treat their employees better and offer better selection. If the co-op can't compete, then it should get out of town. --["Users/ApolloStumpy"] - Mindless Capitalism, 101: three cheers for products over people! Unconscious consumerism for all! Social Darwinism is the ultimate measure of man! Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah! --["Users/ZacharyNorwood"] - How much does the co-op pay its workers and managers compared to Trader Joe's? Oh, I get it...they don't deal with money there...workers get warm fuzzies, and that pays all the bills in this high rent town. Trader Joe's also buys plenty of fair trade products...so maybe it's not the farmer in Solano who benefits as much, but some indy produce maker is benefiting, and probably more of them too, thanks to Trader Joe's better management and leverage. --["Users/ApolloStumpy"] - You have to analyze things case by case. I'm a fan of TJ's, but when its corporate expansion starts scheming with development projects, I take time to re-evaluate their motives and overall, comparative worth. Star Bucks has fair trade coffee, but I wouldn't call them advocates of fair-trade. The benifits of a TJ's are insignificant, by the way--they're frivolous benifits. "Ohhh, now I can get TJ's beef jerky--wow, my life is better." And my position is not co-op vs. TJ's, btw (but you seem to bend logic to your liking). --["Users/ZacharyNorwood"]	+ ''2005-10-23 10:18:07'' [[nbsp]] I'd be ok with the Trader Joe's giving the Co-op some competition. Trader Joe's also takes in products from local farmers. --["ApolloStumpy"] + I heard that none of Trader Joe's produce is local. In fact, it was almost all from abroad. Is this true? --["JackHaskel"] + + TJ's outlines its many organic items in this [http://www.traderjoes.com/products/WCorganic.pdf brochure], but they don't say anything specific about using local produce. --["CraigBrozinsky"] + Either way, they treat their employees better and offer better selection. If the co-op can't compete, then it should get out of town. --["ApolloStumpy"] + Mindless Capitalism, 101: three cheers for products over people! Unconscious consumerism for all! Social Darwinism is the ultimate measure of man! Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah! --["ZacharyNorwood"] + How much does the co-op pay its workers and managers compared to Trader Joe's? Oh, I get it...they don't deal with money there...workers get warm fuzzies, and that pays all the bills in this high rent town. Trader Joe's also buys plenty of fair trade products...so maybe it's not the farmer in Solano who benefits as much, but some indy produce maker is benefiting, and probably more of them too, thanks to Trader Joe's better management and leverage. --["ApolloStumpy"] + You have to analyze things case by case. I'm a fan of TJ's, but when its corporate expansion starts scheming with development projects, I take time to re-evaluate their motives and overall, comparative worth. Star Bucks has fair trade coffee, but I wouldn't call them advocates of fair-trade. The benifits of a TJ's are insignificant, by the way--they're frivolous benifits. "Ohhh, now I can get TJ's beef jerky--wow, my life is better." And my position is not co-op vs. TJ's, btw (but you seem to bend logic to your liking). --["ZacharyNorwood"]
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- ''One place where TJ's has never stinted is with its employees. Besides above-union wages and generous bonuses (pay for entry-level part-timers starts at $8 to $12 an hour; first-year supervisors average more than $40,000 a year), TJ's contributes an additional 15.4% of each worker's gross pay into a company-funded retirement plan.'' Remind me, what does the co-op offer? 11% off of their exoborant prices? Oh boy! --["Users/ApolloStumpy"] - * Hehe--okay, let me explain things to you explicitly, since your awareness of logic (and by this I mean informal logic, of course) isn't too keen: (a) by not supporting TJ's, it does not follow, necessarily, that one supports the co-op (these positions are not mutually exclusive, yet you conflate the two nonetheless) and (b) it does not necessarily follow that if a company gives its employees comparatively better wages that it is a superior company, in every other way, or that it is a necessary addition to society. Is that clear enough?-- ["Users/ZacharyNorwood" ZN] - * My comments have solely been about Trader Joe's and Co-op competing with each other. If you want to bring in trader joe's agreement with the Covell Village, then start your own comment thread. Instead, you bash me for being a mindless capitalist just because I'm cool with Trader Joe's being competitive with co-op. --["Users/ApolloStumpy"]	+ ''One place where TJ's has never stinted is with its employees. Besides above-union wages and generous bonuses (pay for entry-level part-timers starts at $8 to $12 an hour; first-year supervisors average more than $40,000 a year), TJ's contributes an additional 15.4% of each worker's gross pay into a company-funded retirement plan.'' Remind me, what does the co-op offer? 11% off of their exoborant prices? Oh boy! --["ApolloStumpy"] + * Hehe--okay, let me explain things to you explicitly, since your awareness of logic (and by this I mean informal logic, of course) isn't too keen: (a) by not supporting TJ's, it does not follow, necessarily, that one supports the co-op (these positions are not mutually exclusive, yet you conflate the two nonetheless) and (b) it does not necessarily follow that if a company gives its employees comparatively better wages that it is a superior company, in every other way, or that it is a necessary addition to society. Is that clear enough?-- ["ZacharyNorwood" ZN] + * My comments have solely been about Trader Joe's and Co-op competing with each other. If you want to bring in trader joe's agreement with the Covell Village, then start your own comment thread. Instead, you bash me for being a mindless capitalist just because I'm cool with Trader Joe's being competitive with co-op. --["ApolloStumpy"]
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- * Don't forget the logic bashing, too! That's important. Good day.--["Users/ZacharyNorwood" ZN]	+ * Don't forget the logic bashing, too! That's important. Good day.--["ZacharyNorwood" ZN]
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- ''2005-12-19 19:57:02'' [[nbsp]] It was amazing how the school newspaper turned the prop X debate into pro or con trader joes and ignored the real issue of having a housing development there. Trader Joes was like the developer's Trojan Horse. --["Users/DudeNude"]	+ ''2005-12-19 19:57:02'' [[nbsp]] It was amazing how the school newspaper turned the prop X debate into pro or con trader joes and ignored the real issue of having a housing development there. Trader Joes was like the developer's Trojan Horse. --["DudeNude"]
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- ''2006-06-05 16:12:11'' [[nbsp]] I'd be happy to see Trader Joe's in the U-Mall, but am dubious of the "can handle the loss of spaces" comment in the article. Would they build into the existing mall? Outside across from Cost Plus? The lot always looks pretty crowded whenever I'm there. But ["Bicycling" Bike City, USA], right? So no problem! --["Users/KevinChin"]	+ ''2006-06-05 16:12:11'' [[nbsp]] I'd be happy to see Trader Joe's in the U-Mall, but am dubious of the "can handle the loss of spaces" comment in the article. Would they build into the existing mall? Outside across from Cost Plus? The lot always looks pretty crowded whenever I'm there. But ["Bicycling" Bike City, USA], right? So no problem! --["KevinChin"]
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- ''2006-06-05 16:32:54'' [[nbsp]] After reading the article, I was about to post the same thing that Kevin said...that parking lot is terrible! If they reallocate the spaces...then maybe it could be better, but otherwise, with both Cost Plus AND Trader Joe's...I fear that parking will be impossible. --["Users/KarlaFung"]	+ ''2006-06-05 16:32:54'' [[nbsp]] After reading the article, I was about to post the same thing that Kevin said...that parking lot is terrible! If they reallocate the spaces...then maybe it could be better, but otherwise, with both Cost Plus AND Trader Joe's...I fear that parking will be impossible. --["KarlaFung"]
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- ''2006-06-05 16:42:14'' [[nbsp]] I can't imagine any configuration of that parking lot that would work with a Trader Joe's plopped into the middle of it. It's a nice location '''in theory''' (increased traffic on Russell notwithstanding), but personally I'd much rather Trader Joe's just usurp Cost Plus's space. Maybe they can carve out an ["Old Teahouse"] sized plot and call it the Trader Joe's Express --["Users/TravisGrathwell"]	+ ''2006-06-05 16:42:14'' [[nbsp]] I can't imagine any configuration of that parking lot that would work with a Trader Joe's plopped into the middle of it. It's a nice location '''in theory''' (increased traffic on Russell notwithstanding), but personally I'd much rather Trader Joe's just usurp Cost Plus's space. Maybe they can carve out an ["Old Teahouse"] sized plot and call it the Trader Joe's Express --["TravisGrathwell"]
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- ''2006-06-05 18:34:25'' [[nbsp]] Where ["Food Fair"] was would be absolutely ideal. Even if it used only half or a quarter of the building. That shopping center kinda sucks, might help revitalize it. Parking wouldn't be a problem at all. But YAY on Trader Joes no matter where it is, since people will go. --["Users/EdWins" ES]	+ ''2006-06-05 18:34:25'' [[nbsp]] Where ["Food Fair"] was would be absolutely ideal. Even if it used only half or a quarter of the building. That shopping center kinda sucks, might help revitalize it. Parking wouldn't be a problem at all. But YAY on Trader Joes no matter where it is, since people will go. --["EdwinSaada"]
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- ''2006-06-05 22:49:44'' [[nbsp]] From what I heard (through the downtown grapevine) they are going to shuffle some of the businesses around inside the University Mall to create most of the space. I, personally would have preferred to see Traders Joes downtown - in the parking lot behind ["Kinko's"]. They're planning to build a 3 story parking structure there eventually anyway. Or anywhere downtown. It would provide a great boost to downtown businesses. The Food Fair location is too far outside of the center. It will probably be converted to office space. --["Users/JonFenske"]	+ ''2006-06-05 22:49:44'' [[nbsp]] From what I heard (through the downtown grapevine) they are going to shuffle some of the businesses around inside the University Mall to create most of the space. I, personally would have preferred to see Traders Joes downtown - in the parking lot behind Kinkos. They're planning to build a 3 story parking structure there eventually anyway. Or anywhere downtown. It would provide a great boost to downtown businesses. The Food Fair location is too far outside of the center. It will probably be converted to office space. --["JonFenske"]
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- ''2006-06-05 23:13:22'' [[nbsp]] Nah, it's not far at all, I think everyone would definitely still make the trip by bike, bus, or car. West Davis doesn't have a nice shopping center, just that ghostlike one. I meant if Trader Joe's comes, it might revamp it and maybe some other small and nice things will lease there too. Turn it into a respectable shopping center worth going to rather then a block of junk space and a couple restaurants. --["Users/EdWins" ES]	+ ''2006-06-05 23:13:22'' [[nbsp]] Nah, it's not far at all, I think everyone would definitely still make the trip by bike, bus, or car. West Davis doesn't have a nice shopping center, just that ghostlike one. I meant if Trader Joe's comes, it might revamp it and maybe some other small and nice things will lease there too. Turn it into a respectable shopping center worth going to rather then a block of junk space and a couple restaurants. --["EdwinSaada"]
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- ''2006-06-06 09:30:53'' [[nbsp]] If TJ's ends up in the U-Mall, is there any concern that it will take buisness away from Cost Plus? Cost Plus has a large selection of dry goods and wine. TJ's surely will impact Cost Plus' food sales. --["Users/DaveBanister"]	+ ''2006-06-06 09:30:53'' [[nbsp]] If TJ's ends up in the U-Mall, is there any concern that it will take buisness away from Cost Plus? Cost Plus has a large selection of dry goods and wine. TJ's surely will impact Cost Plus' food sales. --["DaveBanister"]
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- ''2006-06-06 11:10:40'' [[nbsp]] Please, please, I urge everyone not to find reasons to protest this store coming to Davis. The location is fine. The neighboring students will benefit having more food options close by. Cost Plus will not suffer. In fact, they will benefit. People coming to Trader Joe's will drop in to their store while they are there, and vice versa. --["Users/SharlaDaly"]	+ ''2006-06-06 11:10:40'' [[nbsp]] Please, please, I urge everyone not to find reasons to protest this store coming to Davis. The location is fine. The neighboring students will benefit having more food options close by. Cost Plus will not suffer. In fact, they will benefit. People coming to Trader Joe's will drop in to their store while they are there, and vice versa. --["SharlaDaly"]
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- ''2006-06-06 11:32:36'' [[nbsp]] In my home town, TJ's and Cost Plus are right across the parking lot from each other and have been for quite a few years now. I don't think one has ruined the other's business. However, I still say that the location although ideal, given the circumstances of parking, traffic flow, etc....will suck ultimately. --["Users/KarlaFung"]	+ ''2006-06-06 11:32:36'' [[nbsp]] In my home town, TJ's and Cost Plus are right across the parking lot from each other and have been for quite a few years now. I don't think one has ruined the other's business. However, I still say that the location although ideal, given the circumstances of parking, traffic flow, etc....will suck ultimately. --["KarlaFung"]
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- ''2006-06-06 11:46:16'' [[nbsp]] I'm shocked, SHOCKED! This has to be stopped! Think of the traffic in the neighborhood! Where will all the customers park? Think of the crime! It will destroy downtown businesses! Davis is a small, charming village and corporate despoilers are coming! Think of the poor tenants in ["University Commons Apartments"] and ["Sycamore Lane Apartments"]. When they signed their leases I'm sure they didn't anticipate having to live next door to THIS! Join DON'T (Davisites Opposed to New Trader joes) Website coming soon. --["Users/PaulThober"]	+ ''2006-06-06 11:46:16'' [[nbsp]] I'm shocked, SHOCKED! This has to be stopped! Think of the traffic in the neighborhood! Where will all the customers park? Think of the crime! It will destroy downtown businesses! Davis is a small, charming village and corporate despoilers are coming! Think of the poor tenants in ["University Commons Apartments"] and ["Sycamore Lane Apartments"]. When they signed their leases I'm sure they didn't anticipate having to live next door to THIS! Join DON'T (Davisites Opposed to New Trader joes) Website coming soon. --["PaulThober"]
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- ''2006-06-06 13:42:36'' [[nbsp]] I wrote to Trader Joe’s two years ago and warned them about Davis and the ridiculous hostility they would face if they tried to develop a store in the community. They would be much better off building stores elsewhere. At least they figured a reasonably good location – in the middle of the student population (the normal people) and generally away from everyone else. --["Users/SteveHayes"]	+ ''2006-06-06 13:42:36'' [[nbsp]] I wrote to Trader Joe’s two years ago and warned them about Davis and the ridiculous hostility they would face if they tried to develop a store in the community. They would be much better off building stores elsewhere. At least they figured a reasonably good location – in the middle of the student population (the normal people) and generally away from everyone else. --["SteveHayes"]
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- ''2006-06-06 15:17:13'' [[nbsp]] I read Sharla's comment and laughed. I've been waiting for a TJ's for so long I almost edited my comment after I wrote it. But ultimately I'd still take one anywhere in town (any City Councillors listening? I haven't voted yet, you know!). Even at the U-Mall it'll mean that I'll have one less reason to drive to Sac, and that's worth the bike ride over. Mmmm. . . I can just taste the Monteblue & Populet now. . . --["Users/KevinChin"]	+ ''2006-06-06 15:17:13'' [[nbsp]] I read Sharla's comment and laughed. I've been waiting for a TJ's for so long I almost edited my comment after I wrote it. But ultimately I'd still take one anywhere in town (any City Councillors listening? I haven't voted yet, you know!). Even at the U-Mall it'll mean that I'll have one less reason to drive to Sac, and that's worth the bike ride over. Mmmm. . . I can just taste the Monteblue & Populet now. . . --["KevinChin"]
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- ''2006-06-06 19:12:02'' [[nbsp]] If there's a Trader Joes in Davis, and CostCo and (a bigger and nicer) Target in Woodland, I think I can even live without a Target in Davis. Of course, I figure there's a lot more reason to have a Target than all those damn ["car dealerships"]... --["Users/JaimeRaba"]	+ ''2006-06-06 19:12:02'' [[nbsp]] If there's a Trader Joes in Davis, and CostCo and (a bigger and nicer) Target in Woodland, I think I can even live without a Target in Davis. Of course, I figure there's a lot more reason to have a Target than all those damn car dealerships... --["JaimeRaba"]
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- Clearly it is ridiculous to compare building a target in Davis and building a trader Joe’s. Target is a one stop shopping super center while trader Joes is more like a grocery store. the people who are against trader Joes because they are a corporation that will hurt small business must have been against Safeway, Albertsons, rite aid, longs, and other stores of similar size or they are acting like hypocrites. This area of Davis lacks a grocery store near buy. Students living at the dorms result to buying junk food at rite aid and the DC food stores. Students deserve access to produce and other health items. Remember that students at the dorms are not aloud a car, so Safeway and Albertsons are terribly inconvenient for them (biking provides a challenge for caring back groceries if you don’t have a large basket. Secondly target clearly PLANS on taking business away from a lot of stores including grocery stores and drug stores. They can afford to offer below cost food items to get people to come there to shop for appliances and clothing ect. Target will put other stores out of business. Target would not move here if they planned not to, it just wouldn’t be profitable. Simply taking sales that would otherwise go to the woodland target or other outside big box stores would cause target as a company to lose a lot of money, because all they would be doing is increasing cost by a lot and only increasing total sales as a corporation by very little. the only way they can make money by moving a target to Davis is by taking business from other stores or getting the public to spend more money. And most people are on at least a semi fixed income so the former seems way more likely. Trader Joe’s would be catering to students living in the dorms which is a somewhat untapped market. The co-op would still exist because the people who shop at the co-op are not concerned about price anyway or else they would shop at other grocery stores. --["Users/MattHh"]	+ Clearly it is ridiculous to compare building a target in Davis and building a trader Joe’s. Target is a one stop shopping super center while trader Joes is more like a grocery store. the people who are against trader Joes because they are a corporation that will hurt small business must have been against Safeway, Albertsons, rite aid, longs, and other stores of similar size or they are acting like hypocrites. This area of Davis lacks a grocery store near buy. Students living at the dorms result to buying junk food at rite aid and the DC food stores. Students deserve access to produce and other health items. Remember that students at the dorms are not aloud a car, so Safeway and Albertsons are terribly inconvenient for them (biking provides a challenge for caring back groceries if you don’t have a large basket. Secondly target clearly PLANS on taking business away from a lot of stores including grocery stores and drug stores. They can afford to offer below cost food items to get people to come there to shop for appliances and clothing ect. Target will put other stores out of business. Target would not move here if they planned not to, it just wouldn’t be profitable. Simply taking sales that would otherwise go to the woodland target or other outside big box stores would cause target as a company to lose a lot of money, because all they would be doing is increasing cost by a lot and only increasing total sales as a corporation by very little. the only way they can make money by moving a target to Davis is by taking business from other stores or getting the public to spend more money. And most people are on at least a semi fixed income so the former seems way more likely. Trader Joe’s would be catering to students living in the dorms which is a somewhat untapped market. The co-op would still exist because the people who shop at the co-op are not concerned about price anyway or else they would shop at other grocery stores. --["MattHh"]
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- ''2006-08-08 13:39:52'' [[nbsp]] Parking would not be too much of a problem if U Mall were able to prevent students from parking there as a substitute for parking on campus. A security guard patrolling for this kind of parking misuse would free us as much parking as TJ's would remove. Also, the parking lot is at its capacity when the grad is full, but most of the other business are closed anyway, including TJ's. I think it could work. And I think Davis is big enough for TJ's and the Co-Op, and it might prompt the Co-Op to improve to compete. Competition is good for consumers, and in a competitive market, the customer is king. Let consumers vote with their dollars, not lobby the city council. --["Users/MatthewPearson"]	+ ''2006-08-08 13:39:52'' [[nbsp]] Parking would not be too much of a problem if U Mall were able to prevent students from parking there as a substitute for parking on campus. A security guard patrolling for this kind of parking misuse would free us as much parking as TJ's would remove. Also, the parking lot is at its capacity when the grad is full, but most of the other business are closed anyway, including TJ's. I think it could work. And I think Davis is big enough for TJ's and the Co-Op, and it might prompt the Co-Op to improve to compete. Competition is good for consumers, and in a competitive market, the customer is king. Let consumers vote with their dollars, not lobby the city council. --["MatthewPearson"]
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- ''2006-10-15 22:29:44'' [[nbsp]] Yesterday I saw a Trader Joe's coming soon sign on the kiosk in front of the old Food Fair --["Users/RobiPochapin"]	+ ''2006-10-15 22:29:44'' [[nbsp]] Yesterday I saw a Trader Joe's coming soon sign on the kiosk in front of the old Food Fair --["RobiPochapin"]
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- ''2006-10-15 23:36:53'' [[nbsp]] I saw the same thing as Robi on Saturday. A sign at the small shopping cneter in West Davis. --["Users/JoAnnaRich"]	+ ''2006-10-15 23:36:53'' [[nbsp]] I saw the same thing as Robi on Saturday. A sign at the small shopping cneter in West Davis. --["JoAnnaRich"]
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- ''2006-10-16 04:16:50'' [[nbsp]] I have also seen the same sign, though there is nothing posted on their site. --["Users/JamesKrause"]	+ ''2006-10-16 04:16:50'' [[nbsp]] I have also seen the same sign, though there is nothing posted on their site. --["JamesKrause"]
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- ''2006-10-16 15:56:28'' [[nbsp]] As of Mon. afternoon the official looking but fishy seeming sign has been removed from the kiosk at Westlake shopping center. I spoke with Steve at the Stonegate club and learned that the management of Westlake said something like "Huh?" when asked "what's up?". We'll just keep our fingers crossed here in the Far West --["Users/RobiPochapin"]	+ ''2006-10-16 15:56:28'' [[nbsp]] As of Mon. afternoon the official looking but fishy seeming sign has been removed from the kiosk at Westlake shopping center. I spoke with Steve at the Stonegate club and learned that the management of Westlake said something like "Huh?" when asked "what's up?". We'll just keep our fingers crossed here in the Far West --["RobiPochapin"]
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- ''2007-03-20 08:32:43'' [[nbsp]] Does anyone shop at Gottschalks? I thought not. That would be a great location for TJ's. --["Users/ScottWeintraub"] - ------ - ''2007-05-18 20:47:40'' [[nbsp]] One of my coworkers was saying today that they're putting in a Trader Joes at the upcoming Target/Costco shopping center at the intersection of Rd 102/I-5 in Woodland. I tried to find details about it online but was unsuccessful. Could be he's wrong, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. --["Users/AlexPomeranz"] - ------ - ''2007-09-09 17:06:03'' [[nbsp]] I love Trader Joe's. I'm tired of having to ride my motorcycle 18 miles just to go to the one in SAC. At least they don't treat their workers like slaves. --["Users/DavidHolcomb"] - ------ - ''2008-08-28 23:38:02'' [[nbsp]] Another thing about TJ's that hasn't been noted is the fact that you can get basic stuff here for great prices. For example, the prices of butter, eggs, and cream at Trader Joes are almost half of what they are at Safeway. The same can be said of nuts and cheese. I can't wait until this comes in. --["Users/ascapoccia"] - ------ - ''2008-09-10 09:43:01'' [[nbsp]] To request a Trader Joe's in Davis, go to: http://traderjoes.com/contact_us_selection.html --["Users/GrenouilleD"] - ------ - ''2008-09-19 23:06:56'' [[nbsp]] Shame I'm going to be gone when they finally open in Davis. I'd love to see someone give the Coop a run for its money. --["Users/SMCareBare"] - ------ - ''2008-12-12 21:09:08'' [[nbsp]] I am allergic to soy and Trader Joe's is the only place I can find prepared, high quality, organic, fair trade foods that I can eat and afford. I don't believe that the Co-op will be threatened by TJ's any more than it's threatened by Safeway, etc. - --["Users/KatyMartin"]	+ ''2007-03-20 08:32:43'' [[nbsp]] Does anyone shop at Gottschalks? I thought not. That would be a great location for TJ's. --["ScottWeintraub"]

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- ''2006-06-05 18:34:25'' [[nbsp]] Where ["Food Fair"] was would be absolutely ideal. Even if it used only half or a quarter of the building. That shopping center kinda sucks, might help revitalize it. Parking wouldn't be a problem at all. But YAY on Trader Joes no matter where it is, since people will go. --["EdWins" ES]	+ ''2006-06-05 18:34:25'' [[nbsp]] Where ["Food Fair"] was would be absolutely ideal. Even if it used only half or a quarter of the building. That shopping center kinda sucks, might help revitalize it. Parking wouldn't be a problem at all. But YAY on Trader Joes no matter where it is, since people will go. --["Users/EdWins" ES]

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	+ ------ + ''2008-08-28 23:38:02'' [[nbsp]] Another thing about TJ's that hasn't been noted is the fact that you can get basic stuff here for great prices. For example, the prices of butter, eggs, and cream at Trader Joes are almost half of what they are at Safeway. The same can be said of nuts and cheese. I can't wait until this comes in. --["Users/ascapoccia"]

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- Trader Joe's is proposing to build a 12,000-square-foot store in the ["University Mall"] parking lot. The ["city council"] received the application on June 5, 2006 and it was originally slated to open by the end of 2007, according to an [http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2006/06/05/daily8.html?from_rss=1 article] in the Sacramento Business Journal.[[Footnote(Johnson, Kelly. ''[http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2006/06/05/daily8.html?from_rss=1 Davis shopping center applies for grocery].'' Sacramento Business Journal. 2006-06-05)]]	+ '''Trader Joe's''' is proposing to build a 12,000-square-foot store in the ["University Mall"] parking lot. The ["city council"] received the application on June 5, 2006 and it was originally slated to open by the end of 2007, according to an [http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2006/06/05/daily8.html?from_rss=1 article] in the Sacramento Business Journal.[[Footnote(Johnson, Kelly. ''[http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2006/06/05/daily8.html?from_rss=1 Davis shopping center applies for grocery].'' Sacramento Business Journal. 2006-06-05)]]
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- '''Well''', there isn't a [http://traderjoes.com Trader Joe's] in Davis... yet. Some have said they would never come to a town like ["Davis"]. Others wish they would replace ["Food Fair"] or the former ["Harvest Market"] (now ["Cost Plus World Market" Cost Plus Plus]). The concern is that they would take business from our beloved ["Davis Food Co-op"]. We do miss the ["Cheap Food" inexpensive], upscale variety of TJ's though. For these reasons, a TJ's in far ["East Davis" East] or ["West Davis"] would be welcome. The West end has ["Village Homes"] to feed it, the East end may have the population (especially if ["Covell Village"] goes through). The ["Davis Wish List"] shows there are many who would like one. ["KenBloom"] said he's read "actual plans" to build one at ["8th Street" 8th] & ["Pole Line Road" Pole Line]. If ["Covell Village"] was approved (["Measure X"]), it would gave definitely included a Trader Joe's. The lease [http://davisenterprise.com/articles/2005/10/07/news/086new1.txt had been signed]. ["AaAa"] claims that Trader Joe's denies this and has recently asked the developers to stop using their name in the Measure X campaign. Trader Joe's would be within ["walking distance"] for the residents.	+ '''Well''', there isn't a [http://traderjoes.com Trader Joe's] in Davis... yet. Some have said they would never come to a town like ["Davis"]. Others wish they would replace ["Food Fair"] or the former ["Harvest Market"] (now ["Cost Plus World Market" Cost Plus]). The concern is that they would take business from our beloved ["Davis Food Co-op"]. We do miss the ["Cheap Food" inexpensive], upscale variety of TJ's though. For these reasons, a TJ's in far ["East Davis" East] or ["West Davis"] would be welcome. The West end has ["Village Homes"] to feed it, the East end may have the population (especially if ["Covell Village"] goes through). The ["Davis Wish List"] shows there are many who would like one. ["Users/KenBloom"] said he's read "actual plans" to build one at ["8th Street" 8th] & ["Pole Line Road" Pole Line]. If ["Covell Village"] was approved (["Measure X"]), it would gave definitely included a Trader Joe's. The lease [http://davisenterprise.com/articles/2005/10/07/news/086new1.txt had been signed]. ["Users/AaAa"] claims that Trader Joe's denies this and has recently asked the developers to stop using their name in the Measure X campaign. Trader Joe's would be within ["walking distance"] for the residents.
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- ''2005-10-23 10:18:07'' [[nbsp]] I'd be ok with the Trader Joe's giving the Co-op some competition. Trader Joe's also takes in products from local farmers. --["ApolloStumpy"] - I heard that none of Trader Joe's produce is local. In fact, it was almost all from abroad. Is this true? --["JackHaskel"]	+ ''2005-10-23 10:18:07'' [[nbsp]] I'd be ok with the Trader Joe's giving the Co-op some competition. Trader Joe's also takes in products from local farmers. --["Users/ApolloStumpy"] + I heard that none of Trader Joe's produce is local. In fact, it was almost all from abroad. Is this true? --["Users/JackHaskel"]
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- "Trader Joe's has stores in many states and regions and we try to source goods locally where we can. Because of this, we have a selection of fresh deli products, breads, dairy and juices that will vary in most states." -- ["MattHh"] - TJ's outlines its many organic items in this [http://www.traderjoes.com/products/WCorganic.pdf brochure], but they don't say anything specific about using local produce. --["CraigBrozinsky"] - Either way, they treat their employees better and offer better selection. If the co-op can't compete, then it should get out of town. --["ApolloStumpy"] - Mindless Capitalism, 101: three cheers for products over people! Unconscious consumerism for all! Social Darwinism is the ultimate measure of man! Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah! --["ZacharyNorwood"] - How much does the co-op pay its workers and managers compared to Trader Joe's? Oh, I get it...they don't deal with money there...workers get warm fuzzies, and that pays all the bills in this high rent town. Trader Joe's also buys plenty of fair trade products...so maybe it's not the farmer in Solano who benefits as much, but some indy produce maker is benefiting, and probably more of them too, thanks to Trader Joe's better management and leverage. --["ApolloStumpy"] - You have to analyze things case by case. I'm a fan of TJ's, but when its corporate expansion starts scheming with development projects, I take time to re-evaluate their motives and overall, comparative worth. Star Bucks has fair trade coffee, but I wouldn't call them advocates of fair-trade. The benifits of a TJ's are insignificant, by the way--they're frivolous benifits. "Ohhh, now I can get TJ's beef jerky--wow, my life is better." And my position is not co-op vs. TJ's, btw (but you seem to bend logic to your liking). --["ZacharyNorwood"]	+ "Trader Joe's has stores in many states and regions and we try to source goods locally where we can. Because of this, we have a selection of fresh deli products, breads, dairy and juices that will vary in most states." -- ["Users/MattHh"] + TJ's outlines its many organic items in this [http://www.traderjoes.com/products/WCorganic.pdf brochure], but they don't say anything specific about using local produce. --["Users/CraigBrozinsky"] + Either way, they treat their employees better and offer better selection. If the co-op can't compete, then it should get out of town. --["Users/ApolloStumpy"] + Mindless Capitalism, 101: three cheers for products over people! Unconscious consumerism for all! Social Darwinism is the ultimate measure of man! Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah! --["Users/ZacharyNorwood"] + How much does the co-op pay its workers and managers compared to Trader Joe's? Oh, I get it...they don't deal with money there...workers get warm fuzzies, and that pays all the bills in this high rent town. Trader Joe's also buys plenty of fair trade products...so maybe it's not the farmer in Solano who benefits as much, but some indy produce maker is benefiting, and probably more of them too, thanks to Trader Joe's better management and leverage. --["Users/ApolloStumpy"] + You have to analyze things case by case. I'm a fan of TJ's, but when its corporate expansion starts scheming with development projects, I take time to re-evaluate their motives and overall, comparative worth. Star Bucks has fair trade coffee, but I wouldn't call them advocates of fair-trade. The benifits of a TJ's are insignificant, by the way--they're frivolous benifits. "Ohhh, now I can get TJ's beef jerky--wow, my life is better." And my position is not co-op vs. TJ's, btw (but you seem to bend logic to your liking). --["Users/ZacharyNorwood"]
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- ''One place where TJ's has never stinted is with its employees. Besides above-union wages and generous bonuses (pay for entry-level part-timers starts at $8 to $12 an hour; first-year supervisors average more than $40,000 a year), TJ's contributes an additional 15.4% of each worker's gross pay into a company-funded retirement plan.'' Remind me, what does the co-op offer? 11% off of their exoborant prices? Oh boy! --["ApolloStumpy"] - * Hehe--okay, let me explain things to you explicitly, since your awareness of logic (and by this I mean informal logic, of course) isn't too keen: (a) by not supporting TJ's, it does not follow, necessarily, that one supports the co-op (these positions are not mutually exclusive, yet you conflate the two nonetheless) and (b) it does not necessarily follow that if a company gives its employees comparatively better wages that it is a superior company, in every other way, or that it is a necessary addition to society. Is that clear enough?-- ["ZacharyNorwood" ZN] - * My comments have solely been about Trader Joe's and Co-op competing with each other. If you want to bring in trader joe's agreement with the Covell Village, then start your own comment thread. Instead, you bash me for being a mindless capitalist just because I'm cool with Trader Joe's being competitive with co-op. --["ApolloStumpy"]	+ ''One place where TJ's has never stinted is with its employees. Besides above-union wages and generous bonuses (pay for entry-level part-timers starts at $8 to $12 an hour; first-year supervisors average more than $40,000 a year), TJ's contributes an additional 15.4% of each worker's gross pay into a company-funded retirement plan.'' Remind me, what does the co-op offer? 11% off of their exoborant prices? Oh boy! --["Users/ApolloStumpy"] + * Hehe--okay, let me explain things to you explicitly, since your awareness of logic (and by this I mean informal logic, of course) isn't too keen: (a) by not supporting TJ's, it does not follow, necessarily, that one supports the co-op (these positions are not mutually exclusive, yet you conflate the two nonetheless) and (b) it does not necessarily follow that if a company gives its employees comparatively better wages that it is a superior company, in every other way, or that it is a necessary addition to society. Is that clear enough?-- ["Users/ZacharyNorwood" ZN] + * My comments have solely been about Trader Joe's and Co-op competing with each other. If you want to bring in trader joe's agreement with the Covell Village, then start your own comment thread. Instead, you bash me for being a mindless capitalist just because I'm cool with Trader Joe's being competitive with co-op. --["Users/ApolloStumpy"]
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- ''2005-12-19 19:57:02'' [[nbsp]] It was amazing how the school newspaper turned the prop X debate into pro or con trader joes and ignored the real issue of having a housing development there. Trader Joes was like the developer's Trojan Horse. --["DudeNude"]	+ ''2005-12-19 19:57:02'' [[nbsp]] It was amazing how the school newspaper turned the prop X debate into pro or con trader joes and ignored the real issue of having a housing development there. Trader Joes was like the developer's Trojan Horse. --["Users/DudeNude"]
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- ''2006-06-05 16:12:11'' [[nbsp]] I'd be happy to see Trader Joe's in the U-Mall, but am dubious of the "can handle the loss of spaces" comment in the article. Would they build into the existing mall? Outside across from Cost Plus? The lot always looks pretty crowded whenever I'm there. But ["Bicycling" Bike City, USA], right? So no problem! --["KevinChin"]	+ ''2006-06-05 16:12:11'' [[nbsp]] I'd be happy to see Trader Joe's in the U-Mall, but am dubious of the "can handle the loss of spaces" comment in the article. Would they build into the existing mall? Outside across from Cost Plus? The lot always looks pretty crowded whenever I'm there. But ["Bicycling" Bike City, USA], right? So no problem! --["Users/KevinChin"]
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- ''2006-06-05 16:32:54'' [[nbsp]] After reading the article, I was about to post the same thing that Kevin said...that parking lot is terrible! If they reallocate the spaces...then maybe it could be better, but otherwise, with both Cost Plus AND Trader Joe's...I fear that parking will be impossible. --["KarlaFung"]	+ ''2006-06-05 16:32:54'' [[nbsp]] After reading the article, I was about to post the same thing that Kevin said...that parking lot is terrible! If they reallocate the spaces...then maybe it could be better, but otherwise, with both Cost Plus AND Trader Joe's...I fear that parking will be impossible. --["Users/KarlaFung"]
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- ''2006-06-05 16:42:14'' [[nbsp]] I can't imagine any configuration of that parking lot that would work with a Trader Joe's plopped into the middle of it. It's a nice location '''in theory''' (increased traffic on Russell notwithstanding), but personally I'd much rather Trader Joe's just usurp Cost Plus's space. Maybe they can carve out an ["Old Teahouse"] sized plot and call it the Trader Joe's Express --["TravisGrathwell"]	+ ''2006-06-05 16:42:14'' [[nbsp]] I can't imagine any configuration of that parking lot that would work with a Trader Joe's plopped into the middle of it. It's a nice location '''in theory''' (increased traffic on Russell notwithstanding), but personally I'd much rather Trader Joe's just usurp Cost Plus's space. Maybe they can carve out an ["Old Teahouse"] sized plot and call it the Trader Joe's Express --["Users/TravisGrathwell"]
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- ''2006-06-05 22:49:44'' [[nbsp]] From what I heard (through the downtown grapevine) they are going to shuffle some of the businesses around inside the University Mall to create most of the space. I, personally would have preferred to see Traders Joes downtown - in the parking lot behind Kinkos. They're planning to build a 3 story parking structure there eventually anyway. Or anywhere downtown. It would provide a great boost to downtown businesses. The Food Fair location is too far outside of the center. It will probably be converted to office space. --["JonFenske"]	+ ''2006-06-05 22:49:44'' [[nbsp]] From what I heard (through the downtown grapevine) they are going to shuffle some of the businesses around inside the University Mall to create most of the space. I, personally would have preferred to see Traders Joes downtown - in the parking lot behind ["Kinko's"]. They're planning to build a 3 story parking structure there eventually anyway. Or anywhere downtown. It would provide a great boost to downtown businesses. The Food Fair location is too far outside of the center. It will probably be converted to office space. --["Users/JonFenske"]
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- ''2006-06-05 23:13:22'' [[nbsp]] Nah, it's not far at all, I think everyone would definitely still make the trip by bike, bus, or car. West Davis doesn't have a nice shopping center, just that ghostlike one. I meant if Trader Joe's comes, it might revamp it and maybe some other small and nice things will lease there too. Turn it into a respectable shopping center worth going to rather then a block of junk space and a couple restaurants. --["EdWins" ES]	+ ''2006-06-05 23:13:22'' [[nbsp]] Nah, it's not far at all, I think everyone would definitely still make the trip by bike, bus, or car. West Davis doesn't have a nice shopping center, just that ghostlike one. I meant if Trader Joe's comes, it might revamp it and maybe some other small and nice things will lease there too. Turn it into a respectable shopping center worth going to rather then a block of junk space and a couple restaurants. --["Users/EdWins" ES]
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- ''2006-06-06 09:30:53'' [[nbsp]] If TJ's ends up in the U-Mall, is there any concern that it will take buisness away from Cost Plus? Cost Plus has a large selection of dry goods and wine. TJ's surely will impact Cost Plus' food sales. --["DaveBanister"]	+ ''2006-06-06 09:30:53'' [[nbsp]] If TJ's ends up in the U-Mall, is there any concern that it will take buisness away from Cost Plus? Cost Plus has a large selection of dry goods and wine. TJ's surely will impact Cost Plus' food sales. --["Users/DaveBanister"]
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- ''2006-06-06 11:10:40'' [[nbsp]] Please, please, I urge everyone not to find reasons to protest this store coming to Davis. The location is fine. The neighboring students will benefit having more food options close by. Cost Plus will not suffer. In fact, they will benefit. People coming to Trader Joe's will drop in to their store while they are there, and vice versa. --["SharlaDaly"]	+ ''2006-06-06 11:10:40'' [[nbsp]] Please, please, I urge everyone not to find reasons to protest this store coming to Davis. The location is fine. The neighboring students will benefit having more food options close by. Cost Plus will not suffer. In fact, they will benefit. People coming to Trader Joe's will drop in to their store while they are there, and vice versa. --["Users/SharlaDaly"]
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- ''2006-06-06 11:32:36'' [[nbsp]] In my home town, TJ's and Cost Plus are right across the parking lot from each other and have been for quite a few years now. I don't think one has ruined the other's business. However, I still say that the location although ideal, given the circumstances of parking, traffic flow, etc....will suck ultimately. --["KarlaFung"]	+ ''2006-06-06 11:32:36'' [[nbsp]] In my home town, TJ's and Cost Plus are right across the parking lot from each other and have been for quite a few years now. I don't think one has ruined the other's business. However, I still say that the location although ideal, given the circumstances of parking, traffic flow, etc....will suck ultimately. --["Users/KarlaFung"]
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- ''2006-06-06 11:46:16'' [[nbsp]] I'm shocked, SHOCKED! This has to be stopped! Think of the traffic in the neighborhood! Where will all the customers park? Think of the crime! It will destroy downtown businesses! Davis is a small, charming village and corporate despoilers are coming! Think of the poor tenants in ["University Commons Apartments"] and ["Sycamore Lane Apartments"]. When they signed their leases I'm sure they didn't anticipate having to live next door to THIS! Join DON'T (Davisites Opposed to New Trader joes) Website coming soon. --["PaulThober"]	+ ''2006-06-06 11:46:16'' [[nbsp]] I'm shocked, SHOCKED! This has to be stopped! Think of the traffic in the neighborhood! Where will all the customers park? Think of the crime! It will destroy downtown businesses! Davis is a small, charming village and corporate despoilers are coming! Think of the poor tenants in ["University Commons Apartments"] and ["Sycamore Lane Apartments"]. When they signed their leases I'm sure they didn't anticipate having to live next door to THIS! Join DON'T (Davisites Opposed to New Trader joes) Website coming soon. --["Users/PaulThober"]
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- ''2006-06-06 13:42:36'' [[nbsp]] I wrote to Trader Joe’s two years ago and warned them about Davis and the ridiculous hostility they would face if they tried to develop a store in the community. They would be much better off building stores elsewhere. At least they figured a reasonably good location – in the middle of the student population (the normal people) and generally away from everyone else. --["SteveHayes"]	+ ''2006-06-06 13:42:36'' [[nbsp]] I wrote to Trader Joe’s two years ago and warned them about Davis and the ridiculous hostility they would face if they tried to develop a store in the community. They would be much better off building stores elsewhere. At least they figured a reasonably good location – in the middle of the student population (the normal people) and generally away from everyone else. --["Users/SteveHayes"]
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- ''2006-06-06 15:17:13'' [[nbsp]] I read Sharla's comment and laughed. I've been waiting for a TJ's for so long I almost edited my comment after I wrote it. But ultimately I'd still take one anywhere in town (any City Councillors listening? I haven't voted yet, you know!). Even at the U-Mall it'll mean that I'll have one less reason to drive to Sac, and that's worth the bike ride over. Mmmm. . . I can just taste the Monteblue & Populet now. . . --["KevinChin"]	+ ''2006-06-06 15:17:13'' [[nbsp]] I read Sharla's comment and laughed. I've been waiting for a TJ's for so long I almost edited my comment after I wrote it. But ultimately I'd still take one anywhere in town (any City Councillors listening? I haven't voted yet, you know!). Even at the U-Mall it'll mean that I'll have one less reason to drive to Sac, and that's worth the bike ride over. Mmmm. . . I can just taste the Monteblue & Populet now. . . --["Users/KevinChin"]
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- ''2006-06-06 19:12:02'' [[nbsp]] If there's a Trader Joes in Davis, and CostCo and (a bigger and nicer) Target in Woodland, I think I can even live without a Target in Davis. Of course, I figure there's a lot more reason to have a Target than all those damn car dealerships... --["JaimeRaba"]	+ ''2006-06-06 19:12:02'' [[nbsp]] If there's a Trader Joes in Davis, and CostCo and (a bigger and nicer) Target in Woodland, I think I can even live without a Target in Davis. Of course, I figure there's a lot more reason to have a Target than all those damn ["car dealerships"]... --["Users/JaimeRaba"]
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- Clearly it is ridiculous to compare building a target in Davis and building a trader Joe’s. Target is a one stop shopping super center while trader Joes is more like a grocery store. the people who are against trader Joes because they are a corporation that will hurt small business must have been against Safeway, Albertsons, rite aid, longs, and other stores of similar size or they are acting like hypocrites. This area of Davis lacks a grocery store near buy. Students living at the dorms result to buying junk food at rite aid and the DC food stores. Students deserve access to produce and other health items. Remember that students at the dorms are not aloud a car, so Safeway and Albertsons are terribly inconvenient for them (biking provides a challenge for caring back groceries if you don’t have a large basket. Secondly target clearly PLANS on taking business away from a lot of stores including grocery stores and drug stores. They can afford to offer below cost food items to get people to come there to shop for appliances and clothing ect. Target will put other stores out of business. Target would not move here if they planned not to, it just wouldn’t be profitable. Simply taking sales that would otherwise go to the woodland target or other outside big box stores would cause target as a company to lose a lot of money, because all they would be doing is increasing cost by a lot and only increasing total sales as a corporation by very little. the only way they can make money by moving a target to Davis is by taking business from other stores or getting the public to spend more money. And most people are on at least a semi fixed income so the former seems way more likely. Trader Joe’s would be catering to students living in the dorms which is a somewhat untapped market. The co-op would still exist because the people who shop at the co-op are not concerned about price anyway or else they would shop at other grocery stores. --["MattHh"]	+ Clearly it is ridiculous to compare building a target in Davis and building a trader Joe’s. Target is a one stop shopping super center while trader Joes is more like a grocery store. the people who are against trader Joes because they are a corporation that will hurt small business must have been against Safeway, Albertsons, rite aid, longs, and other stores of similar size or they are acting like hypocrites. This area of Davis lacks a grocery store near buy. Students living at the dorms result to buying junk food at rite aid and the DC food stores. Students deserve access to produce and other health items. Remember that students at the dorms are not aloud a car, so Safeway and Albertsons are terribly inconvenient for them (biking provides a challenge for caring back groceries if you don’t have a large basket. Secondly target clearly PLANS on taking business away from a lot of stores including grocery stores and drug stores. They can afford to offer below cost food items to get people to come there to shop for appliances and clothing ect. Target will put other stores out of business. Target would not move here if they planned not to, it just wouldn’t be profitable. Simply taking sales that would otherwise go to the woodland target or other outside big box stores would cause target as a company to lose a lot of money, because all they would be doing is increasing cost by a lot and only increasing total sales as a corporation by very little. the only way they can make money by moving a target to Davis is by taking business from other stores or getting the public to spend more money. And most people are on at least a semi fixed income so the former seems way more likely. Trader Joe’s would be catering to students living in the dorms which is a somewhat untapped market. The co-op would still exist because the people who shop at the co-op are not concerned about price anyway or else they would shop at other grocery stores. --["Users/MattHh"]
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- ''2006-08-08 13:39:52'' [[nbsp]] Parking would not be too much of a problem if U Mall were able to prevent students from parking there as a substitute for parking on campus. A security guard patrolling for this kind of parking misuse would free us as much parking as TJ's would remove. Also, the parking lot is at its capacity when the grad is full, but most of the other business are closed anyway, including TJ's. I think it could work. And I think Davis is big enough for TJ's and the Co-Op, and it might prompt the Co-Op to improve to compete. Competition is good for consumers, and in a competitive market, the customer is king. Let consumers vote with their dollars, not lobby the city council. --["MatthewPearson"]	+ ''2006-08-08 13:39:52'' [[nbsp]] Parking would not be too much of a problem if U Mall were able to prevent students from parking there as a substitute for parking on campus. A security guard patrolling for this kind of parking misuse would free us as much parking as TJ's would remove. Also, the parking lot is at its capacity when the grad is full, but most of the other business are closed anyway, including TJ's. I think it could work. And I think Davis is big enough for TJ's and the Co-Op, and it might prompt the Co-Op to improve to compete. Competition is good for consumers, and in a competitive market, the customer is king. Let consumers vote with their dollars, not lobby the city council. --["Users/MatthewPearson"]
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- ''2006-10-15 22:29:44'' [[nbsp]] Yesterday I saw a Trader Joe's coming soon sign on the kiosk in front of the old Food Fair --["RobiPochapin"]	+ ''2006-10-15 22:29:44'' [[nbsp]] Yesterday I saw a Trader Joe's coming soon sign on the kiosk in front of the old Food Fair --["Users/RobiPochapin"]
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- ''2006-10-15 23:36:53'' [[nbsp]] I saw the same thing as Robi on Saturday. A sign at the small shopping cneter in West Davis. --["JoAnnaRich"]	+ ''2006-10-15 23:36:53'' [[nbsp]] I saw the same thing as Robi on Saturday. A sign at the small shopping cneter in West Davis. --["Users/JoAnnaRich"]
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- ''2006-10-16 04:16:50'' [[nbsp]] I have also seen the same sign, though there is nothing posted on their site. --["JamesKrause"]	+ ''2006-10-16 04:16:50'' [[nbsp]] I have also seen the same sign, though there is nothing posted on their site. --["Users/JamesKrause"]
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- ''2006-10-16 15:56:28'' [[nbsp]] As of Mon. afternoon the official looking but fishy seeming sign has been removed from the kiosk at Westlake shopping center. I spoke with Steve at the Stonegate club and learned that the management of Westlake said something like "Huh?" when asked "what's up?". We'll just keep our fingers crossed here in the Far West --["RobiPochapin"]	+ ''2006-10-16 15:56:28'' [[nbsp]] As of Mon. afternoon the official looking but fishy seeming sign has been removed from the kiosk at Westlake shopping center. I spoke with Steve at the Stonegate club and learned that the management of Westlake said something like "Huh?" when asked "what's up?". We'll just keep our fingers crossed here in the Far West --["Users/RobiPochapin"]
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- ''2007-03-20 08:32:43'' [[nbsp]] Does anyone shop at Gottschalks? I thought not. That would be a great location for TJ's. --["ScottWeintraub"]	+ ''2007-03-20 08:32:43'' [[nbsp]] Does anyone shop at Gottschalks? I thought not. That would be a great location for TJ's. --["Users/ScottWeintraub"]

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MattHh — 2008-07-27 16:26:11

they do sell at least some local stuff

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-	+ * According to Trader Joes this statement is FALSE. Trader Joes does sell some local produce, I do not know how much, but I here it is a significant amount. In response to a customer who aked why the prices were different in her local trader joes in california vs. the one in another state, Trader Joes responded by saying + "Trader Joe's has stores in many states and regions and we try to source goods locally where we can. Because of this, we have a selection of fresh deli products, breads, dairy and juices that will vary in most states." -- ["MattHh"]

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JonathanLawton — 2008-07-27 13:02:14

Trader Joe's Finally Coming?

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	+ + As of July 27, 2008, the ["The People's Vanguard of Davis"] is [http://davisvanguard.blogspot.com/2008/07/trader-joes-finally-is-coming-to-town.html reporting] that RAS will move to a location on Covell and a new building will be constructed at their current U Mall location for Trader Joe's.

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Jedron — 2008-07-18 17:11:30

nearest in Sacramento

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EdWins — 2007-10-27 09:08:42

wtb TJ

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- ''2006-06-05 18:34:25'' [[nbsp]] Where ["Food Fair"] was would be absolutely ideal. Even if it used only half or a quarter of the building. That shopping center kinda sucks, might help revitalize it. Parking wouldn't be a problem at all. But YAY on Trader Joes no matter where it is, since people will go. --["EdwinSaada"]	+ ''2006-06-05 18:34:25'' [[nbsp]] Where ["Food Fair"] was would be absolutely ideal. Even if it used only half or a quarter of the building. That shopping center kinda sucks, might help revitalize it. Parking wouldn't be a problem at all. But YAY on Trader Joes no matter where it is, since people will go. --["EdWins" ES]
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- ''2006-06-05 23:13:22'' [[nbsp]] Nah, it's not far at all, I think everyone would definitely still make the trip by bike, bus, or car. West Davis doesn't have a nice shopping center, just that ghostlike one. I meant if Trader Joe's comes, it might revamp it and maybe some other small and nice things will lease there too. Turn it into a respectable shopping center worth going to rather then a block of junk space and a couple restaurants. --["EdwinSaada"]	+ ''2006-06-05 23:13:22'' [[nbsp]] Nah, it's not far at all, I think everyone would definitely still make the trip by bike, bus, or car. West Davis doesn't have a nice shopping center, just that ghostlike one. I meant if Trader Joe's comes, it might revamp it and maybe some other small and nice things will lease there too. Turn it into a respectable shopping center worth going to rather then a block of junk space and a couple restaurants. --["EdWins" ES]

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DavidHolcomb — 2007-09-09 16:06:03

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	+ ------ + ''2007-09-09 17:06:03'' [[nbsp]] I love Trader Joe's. I'm tired of having to ride my motorcycle 18 miles just to go to the one in SAC. At least they don't treat their workers like slaves. --["Users/DavidHolcomb"]

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AndrewChen — 2007-05-18 20:37:42

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- October 17, 2006, the city council approved zoning changes that would allow Trader Joe's to move in. RAS still occupies the lot and despite attempts to convince them to relocate, they have shown little interest in doing so. The rezoning would also allow RAS to move into the University Mall building, though this would mean another business would have to leave. Note that the city has no control over these lease negotiations. ["Teriyaki Express"] has already been given a 30-day eviction notice by UMall owner Centro Watt.[[Footnote(St. John, Claire. ''[http://www.davisenterprise.com/articles/2006/10/18/news/074new2.txt Council OKs store].'' ["The Davis Enterprise"]. 2006-10-18.)]]	+ October 17, 2006, the city council approved zoning changes that would allow Trader Joe's to move in. RAS still occupies the lot and despite attempts to convince them to relocate, they have shown little interest in doing so. The rezoning would also allow RAS to move into the University Mall building, though this would mean another business would have to leave. Note that the city has no control over these lease negotiations. ["Teriyaki Express"] has already been given a 30-day eviction notice by UMall owner Centro Watt.[[Footnote(St. John, Claire. ''[http://www.davisenterprise.com/articles/2006/10/18/news/074new2.txt Council OKs store].'' ["The Davis Enterprise"]. 2006-10-18.)]] In May 2007, Centro Watt filed suit against RAS over terms of the lease.[[Footnote(St. John, Claire. ''[http://www.davisenterprise.com/articles/2007/05/18/news/228new1.txt Mall sues RAS to make way for Trader Joe’s]''. ["The Davis Enterprise"]. 2007-05-17.)]]

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AlexPomeranz — 2007-05-18 19:47:40

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	+ ------ + ''2007-05-18 20:47:40'' [[nbsp]] One of my coworkers was saying today that they're putting in a Trader Joes at the upcoming Target/Costco shopping center at the intersection of Rd 102/I-5 in Woodland. I tried to find details about it online but was unsuccessful. Could be he's wrong, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. --["Users/AlexPomeranz"]

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AndrewChen — 2006-10-18 19:50:42

Goodbye Teriyaki Express

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- However, as the planning commision made its first recommendations to the council on September 26, 2006, it is revealed that ["Radiological Associates of Sacramento"] (RAS), located on the proposed Trader Joe's site, is unwilling to move. RAS moved into the building in 2003 on a 14-year lease and has invested $1.6 million in structural improvements. The city council will consider the proposal on October 17. [[Footnote(St. John, Claire. ''[http://www.davisenterprise.com/articles/2006/09/29/news/094new2.txt Stumbling block for Trader Joe’s].'' ["The Davis Enterprise"]. 2006-09-28.)]]	+ However, as the planning commision made its first recommendations to the council on September 26, 2006, it is revealed that ["Radiological Associates of Sacramento"] (RAS), located on the proposed Trader Joe's site, is unwilling to move. RAS moved into the building in 2003 on a 14-year lease and has invested $1.6 million in structural improvements.[[Footnote(St. John, Claire. ''[http://www.davisenterprise.com/articles/2006/09/29/news/094new2.txt Stumbling block for Trader Joe’s].'' ["The Davis Enterprise"]. 2006-09-28.)]] + + October 17, 2006, the city council approved zoning changes that would allow Trader Joe's to move in. RAS still occupies the lot and despite attempts to convince them to relocate, they have shown little interest in doing so. The rezoning would also allow RAS to move into the University Mall building, though this would mean another business would have to leave. Note that the city has no control over these lease negotiations. ["Teriyaki Express"] has already been given a 30-day eviction notice by UMall owner Centro Watt.[[Footnote(St. John, Claire. ''[http://www.davisenterprise.com/articles/2006/10/18/news/074new2.txt Council OKs store].'' ["The Davis Enterprise"]. 2006-10-18.)]]

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AndrewChen — 2006-09-29 22:46:26

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- ===June 5, 2006 Update: Trader Joe's Coming Soon to University Mall! === - Well, actually it'll be here in a year or so after they build a building for it in the parking lot of ["University Mall"]. But it is confirmed as coming and that's the important thing. - ["SharlaDaly"]	+ Trader Joe's is proposing to build a 12,000-square-foot store in the ["University Mall"] parking lot. The ["city council"] received the application on June 5, 2006 and it was originally slated to open by the end of 2007, according to an [http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2006/06/05/daily8.html?from_rss=1 article] in the Sacramento Business Journal.[[Footnote(Johnson, Kelly. ''[http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2006/06/05/daily8.html?from_rss=1 Davis shopping center applies for grocery].'' Sacramento Business Journal. 2006-06-05)]]
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- [[Comments]] ''2005-10-23 10:18:07'' [[nbsp]] I'd be ok with the Trader Joe's giving the Co-op some competition. Trader Joe's also takes in products from local farmers. --["ApolloStumpy"]	+ [[Comments]] + + ''2005-10-23 10:18:07'' [[nbsp]] I'd be ok with the Trader Joe's giving the Co-op some competition. Trader Joe's also takes in products from local farmers. --["ApolloStumpy"]

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- ''2006-08-08 13:39:52'' [[nbsp]] Parking would not be too much of a problem if U Mall were able to prevent students from parking there as a substitute for parking on campus. A security guard patrolling for this kind of parking misuse would free us as much parking as TJ's would remove. Also, the parking lot is at its capacity when the grad is full, but most of the other business are closed anyway, including TJ's. I think it could work. And I think Davis is big enough for TJ's and the Co-Op, and it might prompt the Co-Op to improve to compete. Competition is good for consumers, and in a competitive market, the custimer is king. Let consumers vote with their dollars, not lobby the city council. --["MatthewPearson"]	+ ''2006-08-08 13:39:52'' [[nbsp]] Parking would not be too much of a problem if U Mall were able to prevent students from parking there as a substitute for parking on campus. A security guard patrolling for this kind of parking misuse would free us as much parking as TJ's would remove. Also, the parking lot is at its capacity when the grad is full, but most of the other business are closed anyway, including TJ's. I think it could work. And I think Davis is big enough for TJ's and the Co-Op, and it might prompt the Co-Op to improve to compete. Competition is good for consumers, and in a competitive market, the customer is king. Let consumers vote with their dollars, not lobby the city council. --["MatthewPearson"]

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KevinChin — 2006-07-09 07:44:34

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- clearly a it is rediculous to compare building a target in davis and building a trader joe's. target is a one stop shopping supercenter while trader joes is more like a grocery store. the people who are against trader joes because they are a corperation that will hurt small business must have been against safeway, albertsons, rite aid, longs, and other stores of similar size or they are acting like hypocrytes. this area of davis lacks a grocery store near buy. students living at the dorms result to buying junk food at rite aid and the DC food stores. students deserve acess to produce and other healtht items. remember that students at the dorms are not alloud a car, so safeway and albertsons are teribbly inconveinent for them (biking provides a challenge for caring back groceries if you dont have a large basket. secondly target clearly PLANS on taking business away from a lot of stores including grocery stores and drug stores. they can afford to offer below cost food items to get people to come there to shop for appliances and clothing ect. target will put other stores out of business. target would not move here if they planned not too, it just wouldnt be profitable. simply taking sales that would otherwise go to the woodland target or other outside big box stores would cause target as a company to lose a lot of money, because all they would be doing is increasing cost by a lot and only increasing total sales as a corperation by very little. the only way they can make money by moving a target to davis is by taking business from other stores or getting the public to spend more money. and most people are on at least a semi fixed income so the former seems way more likely. Trader joes would be catering to students living in the dorms which is a somewhat untapped market. the co-op would still exist because the people who shop at the co-op are not concerned about price anyway or else they would shop at other grocery stores. --["MattHh"]	+ Clearly it is ridiculous to compare building a target in Davis and building a trader Joe’s. Target is a one stop shopping super center while trader Joes is more like a grocery store. the people who are against trader Joes because they are a corporation that will hurt small business must have been against Safeway, Albertsons, rite aid, longs, and other stores of similar size or they are acting like hypocrites. This area of Davis lacks a grocery store near buy. Students living at the dorms result to buying junk food at rite aid and the DC food stores. Students deserve access to produce and other health items. Remember that students at the dorms are not aloud a car, so Safeway and Albertsons are terribly inconvenient for them (biking provides a challenge for caring back groceries if you don’t have a large basket. Secondly target clearly PLANS on taking business away from a lot of stores including grocery stores and drug stores. They can afford to offer below cost food items to get people to come there to shop for appliances and clothing ect. Target will put other stores out of business. Target would not move here if they planned not to, it just wouldn’t be profitable. Simply taking sales that would otherwise go to the woodland target or other outside big box stores would cause target as a company to lose a lot of money, because all they would be doing is increasing cost by a lot and only increasing total sales as a corporation by very little. the only way they can make money by moving a target to Davis is by taking business from other stores or getting the public to spend more money. And most people are on at least a semi fixed income so the former seems way more likely. Trader Joe’s would be catering to students living in the dorms which is a somewhat untapped market. The co-op would still exist because the people who shop at the co-op are not concerned about price anyway or else they would shop at other grocery stores. --["MattHh"]

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	+ + ----- + clearly a it is rediculous to compare building a target in davis and building a trader joe's. target is a one stop shopping supercenter while trader joes is more like a grocery store. the people who are against trader joes because they are a corperation that will hurt small business must have been against safeway, albertsons, rite aid, longs, and other stores of similar size or they are acting like hypocrytes. this area of davis lacks a grocery store near buy. students living at the dorms result to buying junk food at rite aid and the DC food stores. students deserve acess to produce and other healtht items. remember that students at the dorms are not alloud a car, so safeway and albertsons are teribbly inconveinent for them (biking provides a challenge for caring back groceries if you dont have a large basket. secondly target clearly PLANS on taking business away from a lot of stores including grocery stores and drug stores. they can afford to offer below cost food items to get people to come there to shop for appliances and clothing ect. target will put other stores out of business. target would not move here if they planned not too, it just wouldnt be profitable. simply taking sales that would otherwise go to the woodland target or other outside big box stores would cause target as a company to lose a lot of money, because all they would be doing is increasing cost by a lot and only increasing total sales as a corperation by very little. the only way they can make money by moving a target to davis is by taking business from other stores or getting the public to spend more money. and most people are on at least a semi fixed income so the former seems way more likely. Trader joes would be catering to students living in the dorms which is a somewhat untapped market. the co-op would still exist because the people who shop at the co-op are not concerned about price anyway or else they would shop at other grocery stores. --["MattHh"]

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	+ ------ + ''2006-06-06 19:12:02'' [[nbsp]] If there's a Trader Joes in Davis, and CostCo and (a bigger and nicer) Target in Woodland, I think I can even live without a Target in Davis. Of course, I figure there's a lot more reason to have a Target than all those damn car dealerships... --["JaimeRaba"]

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	+ ------ + ''2006-06-06 15:17:13'' [[nbsp]] I read Sharla's comment and laughed. I've been waiting for a TJ's for so long I almost edited my comment after I wrote it. But ultimately I'd still take one anywhere in town (any City Councillors listening? I haven't voted yet, you know!). Even at the U-Mall it'll mean that I'll have one less reason to drive to Sac, and that's worth the bike ride over. Mmmm. . . I can just taste the Monteblue & Populet now. . . --["KevinChin"]

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	+ ------ + ''2006-06-06 13:42:36'' [[nbsp]] I wrote to Trader Joe’s two years ago and warned them about Davis and the ridiculous hostility they would face if they tried to develop a store in the community. They would be much better off building stores elsewhere. At least they figured a reasonably good location – in the middle of the student population (the normal people) and generally away from everyone else. --["SteveHayes"]

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- ''2006-06-06 11:46:16'' [[nbsp]] I'm shocked, SHOCKED! This has to be stopped! Think of the traffic in the neighborhood! Where will all the customers park? Think of the crime! It will destroy downtown businesses! Davis is a small, charming village and corporate despoilers are coming! Think of the poor tenants in ["University Commons Apartments] and ["Sycamore Lane Apartments"]. When they signed their leases I'm sure they didn't anticipate having to live next door to THIS! Join DON'T (Davisites Opposed to New Trader joes) Website coming soon. --["PaulThober"]	+ ''2006-06-06 11:46:16'' [[nbsp]] I'm shocked, SHOCKED! This has to be stopped! Think of the traffic in the neighborhood! Where will all the customers park? Think of the crime! It will destroy downtown businesses! Davis is a small, charming village and corporate despoilers are coming! Think of the poor tenants in ["University Commons Apartments"] and ["Sycamore Lane Apartments"]. When they signed their leases I'm sure they didn't anticipate having to live next door to THIS! Join DON'T (Davisites Opposed to New Trader joes) Website coming soon. --["PaulThober"]

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- ''2006-06-06 11:32:36'' [[nbsp]] In my home town, TJ's and Cost Plus are right across the parking lot from each other and have been for quite a few years now. I don't think one has ruined either's businesses. However, I still say that the location although ideal, given the circumstances of parking, traffic flow, etc....will suck ultimately. --["KarlaFung"]	+ ''2006-06-06 11:32:36'' [[nbsp]] In my home town, TJ's and Cost Plus are right across the parking lot from each other and have been for quite a few years now. I don't think one has ruined the other's business. However, I still say that the location although ideal, given the circumstances of parking, traffic flow, etc....will suck ultimately. --["KarlaFung"]

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	+ ------ + ''2006-06-06 11:10:40'' [[nbsp]] Please, please, I urge everyone not to find reasons to protest this store coming to Davis. The location is fine. The neighboring students will benefit having more food options close by. Cost Plus will not suffer. In fact, they will benefit. People coming to Trader Joe's will drop in to their store while they are there, and vice versa. --["SharlaDaly"]

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	+ ------ + ''2006-06-06 09:30:53'' [[nbsp]] If TJ's ends up in the U-Mall, is there any concern that it will take buisness away from Cost Plus? Cost Plus has a large selection of dry goods and wine. TJ's surely will impact Cost Plus' food sales. --["DaveBanister"]

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	+ ------ + ''2006-06-05 23:13:22'' [[nbsp]] Nah, it's not far at all, I think everyone would definitely still make the trip by bike, bus, or car. West Davis doesn't have a nice shopping center, just that ghostlike one. I meant if Trader Joe's comes, it might revamp it and maybe some other small and nice things will lease there too. Turn it into a respectable shopping center worth going to rather then a block of junk space and a couple restaurants. --["EdwinSaada"]

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- ''2006-06-05 22:49:44'' [[nbsp]] From what I heard (from an inside source) they are going to shuffle some of the businesses around inside the mall to create most of the space. I, personally would have preferred to see Traders Joes downtown - in the parking lot behind Kinkkos. They're planning to build a 3 story parking structure there eventually anyway. Or anywhere downtown. It would provide a great boost to downtown businesses. --["JonFenske"]	+ ''2006-06-05 22:49:44'' [[nbsp]] From what I heard (through the downtown grapevine) they are going to shuffle some of the businesses around inside the University Mall to create most of the space. I, personally would have preferred to see Traders Joes downtown - in the parking lot behind Kinkos. They're planning to build a 3 story parking structure there eventually anyway. Or anywhere downtown. It would provide a great boost to downtown businesses. The Food Fair location is too far outside of the center. It will probably be converted to office space. --["JonFenske"]

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	+ ------ + ''2006-06-05 22:49:44'' [[nbsp]] From what I heard (from an inside source) they are going to shuffle some of the businesses around inside the mall to create most of the space. I, personally would have preferred to see Traders Joes downtown - in the parking lot behind Kinkkos. They're planning to build a 3 story parking structure there eventually anyway. Or anywhere downtown. It would provide a great boost to downtown businesses. --["JonFenske"]

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- ''2006-06-05 18:34:25'' [[nbsp]] Where [" --["EdwinSaada"]	+ ''2006-06-05 18:34:25'' [[nbsp]] Where ["Food Fair"] was would be absolutely ideal. Even if it used only half or a quarter of the building. That shopping center kinda sucks, might help revitalize it. Parking wouldn't be a problem at all. But YAY on Trader Joes no matter where it is, since people will go. --["EdwinSaada"]

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	+ ------ + ''2006-06-05 16:42:14'' [[nbsp]] I can't imagine any configuration of that parking lot that would work with a Trader Joe's plopped into the middle of it. It's a nice location '''in theory''' (increased traffic on Russell notwithstanding), but personally I'd much rather Trader Joe's just usurp Cost Plus's space. Maybe they can carve out an ["Old Teahouse"] sized plot and call it the Trader Joe's Express --["TravisGrathwell"]

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	+ ------ + ''2006-06-05 16:32:54'' [[nbsp]] After reading the article, I was about to post the same thing that Kevin said...that parking lot is terrible! If they reallocate the spaces...then maybe it could be better, but otherwise, with both Cost Plus AND Trader Joe's...I fear that parking will be impossible. --["KarlaFung"]

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- ''2006-06-05 16:12:11'' [[nbsp]] I'd be happy to see Trader Joe's in the U-Mall, but am dubious of the "can handle the loss of spaces" comment in the article. Would they build into the existing mall? Outside across from Cost Plus? The lot always looks pretty crowded whenever I'm there. But Bike City, USA, right? So no problem! --["KevinChin"]	+ ''2006-06-05 16:12:11'' [[nbsp]] I'd be happy to see Trader Joe's in the U-Mall, but am dubious of the "can handle the loss of spaces" comment in the article. Would they build into the existing mall? Outside across from Cost Plus? The lot always looks pretty crowded whenever I'm there. But ["Bicycling" Bike City, USA], right? So no problem! --["KevinChin"]

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- Well, actually it'll be here in a year or so after they build a building for it in the parking lot of University Mall. But it is confirmed as coming and that's the important thing. - ["SharlaDaly"]	+ Well, actually it'll be here in a year or so after they build a building for it in the parking lot of ["University Mall"]. But it is confirmed as coming and that's the important thing. - ["SharlaDaly"]
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- ------ - ''2005-10-06 11:42:59'' [[nbsp]] The official word on the street is that Trader Joe's will be in Davis if Covell Village passes... --["MattThornburg"] - ------ - ''2005-10-07 03:13:35'' [[nbsp]] Hrm, is this propaganda, or just a sly joke? Methinks the former. --["ZacharyNorwood"] - ------ - ''2005-10-07 09:15:42'' [[nbsp]] It's definitely a rumor being passed around nowadays... it'd be nice to hear something a little more official. --["JevanGray"] - It was the headline of the ["Davis Enterprise"] on Oct. 6th. [http://davisenterprise.com/articles/2005/10/07/news/086new1.txt story] - ------ - ''2005-10-07 11:25:48'' [[nbsp]] Interesting Note from the Enterprise article: "They said they know it's subject to a vote, but they really want to be across the street from Nugget, Ramos said. That's their preferred site, but they go through a process, and if it doesn't work out, they go to site 2 or 3. In other words, although we will definitely get a Trader Joes if Covell Village passes, we'll probably get one anyway even if it doesn't. --["AlexPomeranz"] - ------

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- '''Well''', there isn't a [http://traderjoes.com Trader Joe's] in Davis... yet. Some have said they would never come to a town like ["Davis"]. Others wish they would replace ["Food Fair"] or the former ["Harvest Market"] (now ["Cost Plus World Market" Cost Plus Plus]). The concern is that they would take business from our beloved ["Davis Food Co-op"]. We do miss the ["Cheap Food" inexpensive], upscale variety of TJ's though. For these reasons, a TJ's in far ["East Davis" East] or ["West Davis"] would be welcome. The West end has ["Village Homes"] to feed it, the East end may have the population (especially if ["Covell Village"] goes through). The ["Davis Wish List"] shows there are many who would like one. ["KenBloom"] said he's read "actual plans" to build one at ["8th Street" 8th] & ["Pole Line Road" Pole Line]. The latest word is that if ["Covell Village"] is approved (["Measure X"]), it will definitely include a Trader Joe's. The lease [http://davisenterprise.com/articles/2005/10/07/news/086new1.txt has been signed]. ["AaAa"] claims that Trader Joe's denies this and has recently asked the developers to stop using their name in the Measure X campaign. Trader Joe's would be within ["walking distance"] for the residents.	+ '''Well''', there isn't a [http://traderjoes.com Trader Joe's] in Davis... yet. Some have said they would never come to a town like ["Davis"]. Others wish they would replace ["Food Fair"] or the former ["Harvest Market"] (now ["Cost Plus World Market" Cost Plus Plus]). The concern is that they would take business from our beloved ["Davis Food Co-op"]. We do miss the ["Cheap Food" inexpensive], upscale variety of TJ's though. For these reasons, a TJ's in far ["East Davis" East] or ["West Davis"] would be welcome. The West end has ["Village Homes"] to feed it, the East end may have the population (especially if ["Covell Village"] goes through). The ["Davis Wish List"] shows there are many who would like one. ["KenBloom"] said he's read "actual plans" to build one at ["8th Street" 8th] & ["Pole Line Road" Pole Line]. If ["Covell Village"] was approved (["Measure X"]), it would gave definitely included a Trader Joe's. The lease [http://davisenterprise.com/articles/2005/10/07/news/086new1.txt had been signed]. ["AaAa"] claims that Trader Joe's denies this and has recently asked the developers to stop using their name in the Measure X campaign. Trader Joe's would be within ["walking distance"] for the residents.
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- If Covell Village does not pass, Davis will likely still get a Trader Joe's . Covell Village is not Davis' only chance at securing a Trader Joes. TJ was already in negotions with two locations in Davis. Alhambra Center at Mace & Alhambra which has not yet been approved and with the Interland/South Davis Center which has been approved and is nearing construction.	+ If Covell Village does not pass, Davis will likely still get a Trader Joe's. Covell Village is not Davis' only chance at securing a Trader Joe's. TJ was already in negotions with two locations in Davis. Alhambra Center at Mace & Alhambra which has not yet been approved and with the Interland/South Davis Center which has been approved and is nearing construction.
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- * My comments have solely been about trader joe's and co-op competing with each other. if you want to bring in trader joe's agreement with the Covell village, then start your own comment thread. Instead, you bash me for being a mindless capitalist just because I'm cool with Trader Joe's being competitive with co-op. --["ApolloStumpy"]	+ * My comments have solely been about Trader Joe's and Co-op competing with each other. If you want to bring in trader joe's agreement with the Covell Village, then start your own comment thread. Instead, you bash me for being a mindless capitalist just because I'm cool with Trader Joe's being competitive with co-op. --["ApolloStumpy"]

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- Covell Village is not Davis' only chance at securing a Trader Joes. TJ was already in negotions with two locations in Davis. Alhambra Center at Mace & Alhambra which has not yet been approved and with the Interland/South Davis Center which has been approved and is nearing construction.	+ If Covell Village does not pass, Davis will likely still get a Trader Joe's . Covell Village is not Davis' only chance at securing a Trader Joes. TJ was already in negotions with two locations in Davis. Alhambra Center at Mace & Alhambra which has not yet been approved and with the Interland/South Davis Center which has been approved and is nearing construction.

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	+ + Covell Village is not Davis' only chance at securing a Trader Joes. TJ was already in negotions with two locations in Davis. Alhambra Center at Mace & Alhambra which has not yet been approved and with the Interland/South Davis Center which has been approved and is nearing construction.

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SteveDavison — 2005-10-25 08:14:01

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SteveDavison — 2005-10-25 08:08:09

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JasonAller — 2005-10-24 18:18:30

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AaAa — 2005-10-24 18:16:15

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JasonAller — 2005-10-24 18:09:35

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AaAa — 2005-10-24 17:57:20

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	+ + * Don't forget the logic bashing, too! That's important. Good day.--["ZacharyNorwood" ZN]

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-10-23 21:27:21

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- * My comments have solely been about trader joe's and co-op competing with each other. if you want to bring in trader joe's agreement with the Covell village, then start your own comment thread. Instead, you bash me for being a mindless capitalist just because I'm cool with Trader Joe's being competitive with co-op. --["ApolloStumpy"]	+ * My comments have solely been about trader joe's and co-op competing with each other. if you want to bring in trader joe's agreement with the Covell village, then start your own comment thread. Instead, you bash me for being a mindless capitalist just because I'm cool with Trader Joe's being competitive with co-op. --["ApolloStumpy"]

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-10-23 21:26:53

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- ''One place where TJ's has never stinted is with its employees. Besides above-union wages and generous bonuses (pay for entry-level part-timers starts at $8 to $12 an hour; first-year supervisors average more than $40,000 a year), TJ's contributes an additional 15.4% of each worker's gross pay into a company-funded retirement plan.'' Remind me, what does the co-op offer? 11% off of their exoborant prices? Oh boy! --["ApolloStumpy"] - * Hehe--okay, let me explain things to you explicitly, since your awareness of logic (and by this I mean informal logic, of course) isn't too keen: (a) by not supporting TJ's, it does not follow, necessarily, that one supports the co-op (these positions are not mutually exclusive, yet you conflate the two nonetheless) and (b) it does not necessarily follow that if a company gives its employees comparatively better wages that it is a superior company, in every other way, or that it is a necessary addition to society. Is that clear enough?-- ["ZacharyNorwood" ZN] - ------ - ''2005-10-23 22:24:48'' [[nbsp]] well, you pretensous retard, my comments have solely been about trader joe's and co-op competing with each other. if you want to bring in trader joe's agreement with the Covell village, then start your own comment thread. Instead, you bash me for being a mindless capitalist just because I'm cool with Trader Joe's being competitive with co-op. Asshole. --["ApolloStumpy"]	+ + ''One place where TJ's has never stinted is with its employees. Besides above-union wages and generous bonuses (pay for entry-level part-timers starts at $8 to $12 an hour; first-year supervisors average more than $40,000 a year), TJ's contributes an additional 15.4% of each worker's gross pay into a company-funded retirement plan.'' Remind me, what does the co-op offer? 11% off of their exoborant prices? Oh boy! --["ApolloStumpy"] + * Hehe--okay, let me explain things to you explicitly, since your awareness of logic (and by this I mean informal logic, of course) isn't too keen: (a) by not supporting TJ's, it does not follow, necessarily, that one supports the co-op (these positions are not mutually exclusive, yet you conflate the two nonetheless) and (b) it does not necessarily follow that if a company gives its employees comparatively better wages that it is a superior company, in every other way, or that it is a necessary addition to society. Is that clear enough?-- ["ZacharyNorwood" ZN] + * My comments have solely been about trader joe's and co-op competing with each other. if you want to bring in trader joe's agreement with the Covell village, then start your own comment thread. Instead, you bash me for being a mindless capitalist just because I'm cool with Trader Joe's being competitive with co-op. --["ApolloStumpy"]

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	+ ------ + ''2005-10-23 22:24:48'' [[nbsp]] well, you pretensous retard, my comments have solely been about trader joe's and co-op competing with each other. if you want to bring in trader joe's agreement with the Covell village, then start your own comment thread. Instead, you bash me for being a mindless capitalist just because I'm cool with Trader Joe's being competitive with co-op. Asshole. --["ApolloStumpy"]

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ZacharyNorwood — 2005-10-23 19:51:42

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- ''2005-10-23 20:20:57'' [[nbsp]] And my position is not abject capitalism. You started with the idiot logic and now when challenged, you can't even show how the co-op is a more humane business than Trader Joe's. From [http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_17/b3880016.htm Businessweek] : - ''One place where TJ's has never stinted is with its employees. Besides above-union wages and generous bonuses (pay for entry-level part-timers starts at $8 to $12 an hour; first-year supervisors average more than $40,000 a year), TJ's contributes an additional 15.4% of each worker's gross pay into a company-funded retirement plan.'' Remind me, what does the co-op offer? 11% off of their exoborant prices? Oh boy! --["ApolloStumpy"]	+ ''2005-10-23 20:20:57'' [[nbsp]] And my position is not abject capitalism. You started with the idiot logic and now when challenged, you can't even show how the co-op is a more humane business than Trader Joe's. From [http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_17/b3880016.htm Businessweek] : + ''One place where TJ's has never stinted is with its employees. Besides above-union wages and generous bonuses (pay for entry-level part-timers starts at $8 to $12 an hour; first-year supervisors average more than $40,000 a year), TJ's contributes an additional 15.4% of each worker's gross pay into a company-funded retirement plan.'' Remind me, what does the co-op offer? 11% off of their exoborant prices? Oh boy! --["ApolloStumpy"] + * Hehe--okay, let me explain things to you explicitly, since your awareness of logic (and by this I mean informal logic, of course) isn't too keen: (a) by not supporting TJ's, it does not follow, necessarily, that one supports the co-op (these positions are not mutually exclusive, yet you conflate the two nonetheless) and (b) it does not necessarily follow that if a company gives its employees comparatively better wages that it is a superior company, in every other way, or that it is a necessary addition to society. Is that clear enough?-- ["ZacharyNorwood" ZN]

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- ------ - ''2005-10-23 20:20:57'' [[nbsp]] And my position is not abject capitalism. You started with the idiot logic and now when challenged, you can't even show how the co-op is a more humane business than Trader Joe's. From [http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_17/b3880016.htm Businessweek] : - One place where TJ's has never stinted is with its employees. Besides above-union wages and generous bonuses (pay for entry-level part-timers starts at $8 to $12 an hour; first-year supervisors average more than $40,000 a year), TJ's contributes an additional 15.4% of each worker's gross pay into a company-funded retirement plan. --["ApolloStumpy"]	+ + ''2005-10-23 20:20:57'' [[nbsp]] And my position is not abject capitalism. You started with the idiot logic and now when challenged, you can't even show how the co-op is a more humane business than Trader Joe's. From [http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_17/b3880016.htm Businessweek] : + ''One place where TJ's has never stinted is with its employees. Besides above-union wages and generous bonuses (pay for entry-level part-timers starts at $8 to $12 an hour; first-year supervisors average more than $40,000 a year), TJ's contributes an additional 15.4% of each worker's gross pay into a company-funded retirement plan.'' Remind me, what does the co-op offer? 11% off of their exoborant prices? Oh boy! --["ApolloStumpy"]

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	+ ------ + ''2005-10-23 20:20:57'' [[nbsp]] And my position is not abject capitalism. You started with the idiot logic and now when challenged, you can't even show how the co-op is a more humane business than Trader Joe's. From [http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_17/b3880016.htm Businessweek] : + One place where TJ's has never stinted is with its employees. Besides above-union wages and generous bonuses (pay for entry-level part-timers starts at $8 to $12 an hour; first-year supervisors average more than $40,000 a year), TJ's contributes an additional 15.4% of each worker's gross pay into a company-funded retirement plan. --["ApolloStumpy"]

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-10-23 19:17:03

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- ------ - ''2005-10-23 12:44:09'' [[nbsp]] I heard that none of Trader Joe's produce is local. In fact, it was almost all from abroad. Is this true? --["JackHaskel"] - ------ - ''2005-10-23 14:51:38'' [[nbsp]] TJ's outlines its many organic items in this [http://www.traderjoes.com/products/WCorganic.pdf brochure], but they don't say anything specific about using local produce. --["CraigBrozinsky"] - ------ - ''2005-10-23 18:32:16'' [[nbsp]] Either way, they treat their employees better and offer better selection. If the co-op can't compete, then it should get out of town. --["ApolloStumpy"] - ------ - ''2005-10-23 18:50:57'' [[nbsp]] Mindless Capitalism, 101, according to ApolloStumpy: three cheers for products over people! Unconscious consumerism for all! Social Darwinism is the ultimate measure of man! Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah! --["ZacharyNorwood"] - ------ - ''2005-10-23 20:02:48'' [[nbsp]] How much does the co-op pay its workers and managers compared to Trader Joe's? Oh, I get it...they don't deal with money there...workers get warm fuzzies, and that pays all the bills in this high rent town. Trader Joe's also buys plenty of fair trade products...so maybe it's not the farmer in Solano who benefits as much, but some indy produce maker is benefiting, and probably more of them too, thanks to Trader Joe's better management and leverage. But dicks like you don't care how many people benefit as long as you get to tell all your hippie friends in SoHo that you shop at a co-op in order to get some hippie cred. Freak. --["ApolloStumpy"] - ------ - ''2005-10-23 20:12:46'' [[nbsp]] You have to analyze things case by case, AS. I'm a fan of TJ's, but when its corporate expansion starts scheming with development projects, I take time to re-evaluate their motives and overall, comparative worth. Star Bucks has fair trade coffee, but I wouldn't call them advocates of fair-trade. The benifits of a TJ's are insignificant, by the way--they're frivolous benifits. "Ohhh, now I can get TJ's beef jerky--wow, my life is better." And my position is not co-op vs. TJ's, btw (but you seem to bend logic to your liking). --["ZacharyNorwood"]	+ I heard that none of Trader Joe's produce is local. In fact, it was almost all from abroad. Is this true? --["JackHaskel"] + + TJ's outlines its many organic items in this [http://www.traderjoes.com/products/WCorganic.pdf brochure], but they don't say anything specific about using local produce. --["CraigBrozinsky"] + Either way, they treat their employees better and offer better selection. If the co-op can't compete, then it should get out of town. --["ApolloStumpy"] + Mindless Capitalism, 101: three cheers for products over people! Unconscious consumerism for all! Social Darwinism is the ultimate measure of man! Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah! --["ZacharyNorwood"] + How much does the co-op pay its workers and managers compared to Trader Joe's? Oh, I get it...they don't deal with money there...workers get warm fuzzies, and that pays all the bills in this high rent town. Trader Joe's also buys plenty of fair trade products...so maybe it's not the farmer in Solano who benefits as much, but some indy produce maker is benefiting, and probably more of them too, thanks to Trader Joe's better management and leverage. --["ApolloStumpy"] + You have to analyze things case by case. I'm a fan of TJ's, but when its corporate expansion starts scheming with development projects, I take time to re-evaluate their motives and overall, comparative worth. Star Bucks has fair trade coffee, but I wouldn't call them advocates of fair-trade. The benifits of a TJ's are insignificant, by the way--they're frivolous benifits. "Ohhh, now I can get TJ's beef jerky--wow, my life is better." And my position is not co-op vs. TJ's, btw (but you seem to bend logic to your liking). --["ZacharyNorwood"]

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	+ ------ + ''2005-10-23 20:02:48'' [[nbsp]] How much does the co-op pay its workers and managers compared to Trader Joe's? Oh, I get it...they don't deal with money there...workers get warm fuzzies, and that pays all the bills in this high rent town. Trader Joe's also buys plenty of fair trade products...so maybe it's not the farmer in Solano who benefits as much, but some indy produce maker is benefiting, and probably more of them too, thanks to Trader Joe's better management and leverage. But dicks like you don't care how many people benefit as long as you get to tell all your hippie friends in SoHo that you shop at a co-op in order to get some hippie cred. Freak. --["ApolloStumpy"]

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	+ ------ + ''2005-10-23 14:51:38'' [[nbsp]] TJ's outlines its many organic items in this [http://www.traderjoes.com/products/WCorganic.pdf brochure], but they don't say anything specific about using local produce. --["CraigBrozinsky"]

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ApolloStumpy — 2005-10-23 09:19:22

it's not true that "none of us" want biz to be taken away from co-op.

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- '''Well''', there isn't a [http://traderjoes.com Trader Joe's] in Davis... yet. Some have said they would never come to a town like ["Davis"]. Others wish they would replace ["Food Fair"] or the former ["Harvest Market"] (now ["Cost Plus World Market" Cost Plus Plus]). The concern is that they would take business from our beloved ["Davis Food Co-op"], which none of us want to happen. We do miss the ["Cheap Food" inexpensive], upscale variety of TJ's though. For these reasons, a TJ's in far ["East Davis" East] or ["West Davis"] would be welcome. The West end has ["Village Homes"] to feed it, the East end may have the population (especially if ["Covell Village"] goes through). The ["Davis Wish List"] shows there are many who would like one. ["KenBloom"] said he's read "actual plans" to build one at ["8th Street" 8th] & ["Pole Line Road" Pole Line]. The latest word is that if ["Covell Village"] is approved (["Measure X"]), it will definitely include a Trader Joe's. The lease has been signed. It would be within ["walking distance"] for the residents.	+ '''Well''', there isn't a [http://traderjoes.com Trader Joe's] in Davis... yet. Some have said they would never come to a town like ["Davis"]. Others wish they would replace ["Food Fair"] or the former ["Harvest Market"] (now ["Cost Plus World Market" Cost Plus Plus]). The concern is that they would take business from our beloved ["Davis Food Co-op"]. We do miss the ["Cheap Food" inexpensive], upscale variety of TJ's though. For these reasons, a TJ's in far ["East Davis" East] or ["West Davis"] would be welcome. The West end has ["Village Homes"] to feed it, the East end may have the population (especially if ["Covell Village"] goes through). The ["Davis Wish List"] shows there are many who would like one. ["KenBloom"] said he's read "actual plans" to build one at ["8th Street" 8th] & ["Pole Line Road" Pole Line]. The latest word is that if ["Covell Village"] is approved (["Measure X"]), it will definitely include a Trader Joe's. The lease has been signed. It would be within ["walking distance"] for the residents. + + Everyday at Trader Joe's, someone is demoing a usually tasty and strange recipe during business hours.

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- '''Well''', there isn't a [http://traderjoes.com Trader Joe's] in Davis... yet. Some have said they would never come to a town like ["Davis"]. Others wish they would replace ["Food Fair"] or the former ["Harvest Market"] (now ["Cost Plus World Market" Cost Plus Plus]). The concern is that they would take business from our beloved ["Davis Food Co-op"], which none of us want. We do miss the ["Cheap Food" inexpensive], upscale variety of TJ's though. For these reasons, a TJ's in far ["East Davis" East] or ["West Davis"] would be welcome. The West end has ["Village Homes"] to feed it, the East end may have the population (especially if ["Covell Village"] goes through). The ["Davis Wish List"] shows there are many who would like one. ["KenBloom"] said he's read "actual plans" to build one at ["8th Street" 8th] & ["Pole Line Road" Pole Line].	+ \|\|<bgcolor='#E0E0FF'>'''Corporate address'''\|\| + \|\|Trader Joe's Specialty Grocery Stores\|\| + \|\|PO Box 5049\|\| + \|\|Monrovia, CA 91017\|\| + \|\|<bgcolor='#E0E0FF'>'''Phone'''\|\| + \|\|626-599-3700\|\| + \|\|<bgcolor='#E0E0FF'>'''Website'''\|\| + \|\|[http://www.traderjoes.com]\|\| + + '''Well''', there isn't a [http://traderjoes.com Trader Joe's] in Davis... yet. Some have said they would never come to a town like ["Davis"]. Others wish they would replace ["Food Fair"] or the former ["Harvest Market"] (now ["Cost Plus World Market" Cost Plus Plus]). The concern is that they would take business from our beloved ["Davis Food Co-op"], which none of us want to happen. We do miss the ["Cheap Food" inexpensive], upscale variety of TJ's though. For these reasons, a TJ's in far ["East Davis" East] or ["West Davis"] would be welcome. The West end has ["Village Homes"] to feed it, the East end may have the population (especially if ["Covell Village"] goes through). The ["Davis Wish List"] shows there are many who would like one. ["KenBloom"] said he's read "actual plans" to build one at ["8th Street" 8th] & ["Pole Line Road" Pole Line]. The latest word is that if ["Covell Village"] is approved (["Measure X"]), it will definitely include a Trader Joe's. The lease has been signed. It would be within ["walking distance"] for the residents.

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	+ ------ + ''2005-10-07 11:25:48'' [[nbsp]] Interesting Note from the Enterprise article: "They said they know it's subject to a vote, but they really want to be across the street from Nugget, Ramos said. That's their preferred site, but they go through a process, and if it doesn't work out, they go to site 2 or 3. In other words, although we will definitely get a Trader Joes if Covell Village passes, we'll probably get one anyway even if it doesn't. --["AlexPomeranz"]

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-10-07 09:49:37

it's legit

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	+ ------ + ''2005-10-07 09:15:42'' [[nbsp]] It's definitely a rumor being passed around nowadays... it'd be nice to hear something a little more official. --["JevanGray"]