This is a page for discussion of the content of the original page. This page was created because there was a dispute or argument about the content of the page (True South Davis Tales). Hashing out our differences here will allow for a more productive dialogue and won't clutter the original page.
Is this really South Davis lore? It looks more like AdamFlowers-and-friends lore to me. How about if more than four people who don't know each other or two wiki users independently of the wiki know of the event then it is lore. The pages created by AdamFlowers seem to me to be somewhat of a ![[wiki]](http://wikispot.org/wiki/eggheadbeta/img/inter.png){kind=small}
WalledGarden, which is not good. —NickSchmalenberger
Definition of "Lore" – noun 1. the body of knowledge, esp. of a traditional, anecdotal, or popular nature, on a particular subject: the lore of South Davis. Since these are stories that have been passed on by South Davisites, and for the most part, occured in South Davis, they should fall under the category of South Davis lore. — Steve Walter
Did you read the page I linked to about walled gardens? The other site was the first wiki on the internet, and has many pages on wiki information structures and patterns. I don't question that the events mentioned here are lore, but just that they go beyond the few people that participated in them, that is you and AdamFlowers and your friends. If so, they are not South Davis lore as such, despite occuring in South Davis, but just the lore of your group of friends. —NickSchmalenberger
Anyone can add to this page...I just wanted to get it started. It needn't be just people I know. I really don't want it to be that at all. But I can't include things that I am not aware of, so please, add more. If no one does, at some point, then maybe we can change the heading. —AdamFlowers
This is not a WalledGarden as there are many links to other parts of the Wiki. Also, there are more and more people that use and enjoy these pages. While the content is not necessarily pertinent to everyone on the Wiki's lives, it is interesting to some, and I will not let anyone try to tell me what constitutes "relevant" content. I can understand that me, as a Davisite, posting a lot of information about my time in college in San Jose is not relative to the Davis Wiki, but I and others have provided information that is relative and interesting to other Davisites. If you don't find it interesting, that is fine. I was under the impression that the Wiki is a place for a variety of content. I know that most of my entries are on the humorous side. Isn't that OK? What, exactly, is the problem? I enjoy viewing pages and learning more and more about the town I love and adding just a little bit of my own info. Please don't make this yet another experience that gets ruined by semantics and bureaucratic rigamarole. Please don't misunderstand me-I appreciate your feedback and want to make the Wiki a place where everyone feels comfortable to be themselves. I have even donated money to help the Wiki in this cause. Just tonight a friend of mine from high school whom I told about the Wiki says he really has enjoyed visiting it. Anyway, I will try to be as inclusive as I can, but I will keep adding content if it is about Davis and its people, who I love so much. —AdamFlowers
That's fine, but my point was that for it to be South Davis lore, people who didn't know each other should have been aware of the same event. That way it is actually a South Davis event not just things that happened to South Davis people separately. Also it would help if you have stories that at least have some element that other people might know about, like the Murder Burger story. That is a a better story than about Keever because other people know about Murder Burger and Davis Senior High School, whereas Keever apparently is a secret society so it is extremely unlikely for other people to know about it. The Rico's Pizza is another example of an excellent page. By the way, it looks like the burger picture is in Humanities Hall, and I didn't see anything like that when I was in there, or in the Hub classroom at the time I was at DHS. Some current Hub people have posted on here, you should ask on the hub page if anybody knows what happened to the thing. —NickSchmalenberger
Nick, I understand your point. Let me try to come up with a better heading for this page. Also, I think that when the Hub moved it's office to what we then called the Art Building, the burger may have been removed. The Hub used to have its editorial office in the Humanities Building back in the day. I will try to find out if anyone has any info on the journey of the "Burger". And again, thanks for your feedback and help. I really don't want to creat a "WalledGarden", so I will try to avoid that in the future. The wiki has been a wonderful way to rekindle memories of Davis, and I don't won't to abuse the Wiki. Thanks for your help. —AdamFlowers
The new title is a better fit for the content now on this page, but I don't think it really helps with the Walled Garden. In a walled garden, the creation of new pages means that people are unlikely to know about them and link to them. If the same content is added to an appropriate existing page, all of the existing links to that page will then send people to the new content. For example, the burger story could be added to the Murder Burger page. It was also good that you added youself and your classmates to the HUB page. Furthermore, the new content can be better understood with more context if it is added to a relevant page. Linking to other relevant existing pages from the new page helps with this, but people are still less likely to see it. The Rico's Pizza page is a good example of something that needed its own page because many other similar items (pizza places, other businesses) also have their own pages. Furthermore, that title is something that people are fairly likely to link to without even knowing the page exists. Thanks. —NickSchmalenberger
I may be biased, but I'm curious to see where the content that Adam is working on will go. He is adding a lot of town oriented stuff that reflects having grown up in Davis. I've spotted a few pages that might fit better with different names, but those can always be changed later if they need to be. Some like the gazebo might have been better with a more focused and specific name, but I think that we can work around any of those issues. — JasonAller
If this content goes nowhere, we can trash it. I have no agenda. I am just putting it out there to see what kind of memories people care to recall. Maybe it could be expanded and called, "Davis Lore" or "True Davis Tales". Not to trivialize the Wiki, which I think is important, but I am basically goofing off here. If that goofing brings up relevant and interesting content, great! If not, then we can trash it. I am just as interested in the "unofficial" history of Davis; the saga of individuals and their remembrances, as I am in the "official" history that is mostly facts and dates. I love that we are even having this discussion. —AdamFlowers
I agree with Nick that some of these pages, such as Mantown, ["Mantown"30 Foot Inflatable Gatorade Bottle Incident], and the various pages about your friends, have no relevance to anyone besides those involved. In my opinion, the wiki isn't a place for individuals and their friends to reminisce; pages should be of some interest to the community at large. If outsiders were aware of Office Furniture Olympics, then great. Otherwise, it shouldn't be here. -AndrewChen
While those pages annoy me personally, they make for good insights into the antics of their respective eras. I feel those things have some merit in being documented, so as to facilitate future cultural anthropological explorations of Davis. So long as they don't use a title that a more useful page needs. —JosephBleckman
As a Davisite, I would love to see a "True East Davis Tales", and a "True West Davis Tales" and so on. The documentation of this type of Davis history (remember we are talking about true events here) is only made possible by the Wiki environment. Otherwise, this lore would be lost forever. I think it adds a lot of color to all of the other references (landmarks, neighborhoods, businesses, etc.) that make up the Davis Wiki. —SteveWalter
