Brent Laabs is the former Legislative Chair for the [WWW]National Association of Graduate-Professional Students, and a long-time editor of this here Davis Wiki.

Back in 2008, Brent moved back to SoCal so he can not work on [ventura]Ventura Wiki. His current wiki project is [WWW]All The Tropes, a fork of the TV Tropes website with less arbitrary administrator decisions and less censorship. "We're like TV Tropes before they started deleting pages."

He currently works as a software developer for a web company specializing in human resources development. There, he uses his P++++$ abilities (see Geek Code Block below).

About Brent

He has lots of other titles:
kyotophoto.jpgBrent, shown meditating at [wikipedia]Ryōan-ji in Kyoto.

edit-1000.pngnew-100.pngsp.pngAwarded for excellence in trolling and sockpuppetry. Brent resigned after a vote of no confidence passed in UCSA, making him once again (albeit temporarily) a private citizen. Brent apparently spent too much time representing the students of the UC System and not enough time representing UCSA. He then went on to represent all grad students in the U.S. as the Legislative Chair for NAGPS, even though he was no longer a student. Lobbying 10 congressional offices a day can get tiring, though.

Brent used to be a student in the Atmospheric Science grad program but had to leave because he was [WWW]educated stupid. He used to be a TA for Atmospheric Science for ATM 10, 110, and 111, and also for Sociology 3.

Brent was a candidate for ASUCD Fake Senate on the Squelch! slate. You can read his issues if you want, most of which he will tried to achieve this year. Especially the trebuchets.

He is also a vendor of some of the Magic Items of Davis. He will only buy magic items at half of book price, however. He's got a lot of [WWW]roleplaying experience. He sort of founded Psi Phi, but never really had enough time to get it going. Be smart: Avoid zombie attack!

He taught a Propaganda class for Experimental College during Spring quarter 2005 entitled "Propaganda: How to make it and how to spot it". The Propaganda Class will forever be known as the best class ever taught at UCD! We have many satisfied students, some of which went on the fast-track to ASUCD power.

Brent has spent enough time around ASUCD that he now says things like "Point of order", "I yield", and "Question in text" in normal conversation. He has managed to avoid being sent to that ASUCD Gulag — so far. He was a Campaign Manager for SOSSS, Friends Urging Campus Kindness, and the United Student Alliance, but he is currently a member of FOSL in ASUCD. However, he was a plussecret advisor for the Christian Slate, because all your bill are belong to us. He was probably also a member of LEAD, just not all the time.

Brent is a patriot, and loves Big Brother very much. Brent will do anything to help America defeat the Mideastasian menace!

He wants to be the very best, like no one ever was.

He enjoys semantic arguments greatly, employing arguments common to enthusiastic nerds worldwide, thereby keeping fellow wiki editors engaged in an otherwise content online landscape. He has been known to employ the Arlen Method at times.


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General Information

blaabs.jpgA softer gentler Brent, proof that you can wear Hawaiian shirts wheneverbrent-sp-shake.pngBrent is shown here, using a 'laser pointer' to teach one of his discussion sections. blaabslocation.jpgHe lives at a location near here, which probably explains his values

His research interests include climate and public policy, as well as Davis history. [WWW]Radio Occultation using the GPS signal was a big project for him in the early part of graduate school.

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Avoid getting near one or it will drag you into its underground
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Rescued Text

In 2004, a crack commando unit was sent to prison by the ASUCD for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped a maximum security stockade to the Yolo County underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...the DavisWiki.
(written by JabberWokky)

"provoke you? are you serious? if i wanted to provoke you i'd go outside the wiki, like everyone else i provoke."
(MichelleAccurso to SS)

Old Comments are available at /Archive.

Ceterum autem censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.


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2007-12-03 21:20:48   My sister and I were watching "Beauty and the Geek" at the ARC on Sunday and one of the geeks is a LARPer. He looks like a geeky version of you and you are significantly more adept socially...but Brent, this guy is abnormally similar to you. Tracey and I immediately exchanged looks on our respective treadmills and yelled "It's Brent!" in unison. —JillWeinstein

2007-12-04 04:09:59   Just wanted to (again) clutter your page up with a comment. Thank you. —JabberWokky

2007-12-04 19:00:59   lulz

2007-12-08 15:38:13   lol. Thank you for your concern for my image, but I'll take care of myself. —EricFriedman

2007-12-08 18:06:59   Just read your comment, and no, I am against GO just as I was against Student Focus when they were acting out of line. To be accurate, I am a Davis Wiki sympathizer, since I try my best to follow its norms. —PaulAmnuaypayoat

2007-12-28 16:18:16   Re: Psi Phi: Cool! I think every campus has to have a Psi Phi every few years. Somewhere in a box I have photos of a wood-burnt sign of a Psi Phi Meeting sign from many many years ago hung in front of a campus party. It is rumored that if there is no Psi Phi fraternity on a campus, the ghost of Issac A. himself will start tormenting the student body with cloning and singularity oriented limericks. —JabberWokky

2008-01-24 23:46:00   Spam! —MattBlair

2008-02-02 14:59:12   you're really funny sometimes. —PxlAted

2008-02-15 12:38:55   You might want to look at the ballot measure the SRC was on and see if there was a specific size outlined. If they violated that, then you would have some good cannon fodder. —JamesSchwab

2008-02-25 01:23:30   [studentgov]Student Government WikiPaulHarms

2008-02-25 23:11:10   so it would appear your "okay" with ruling

lame, I expected a much more excited proclamation to your ruling status than "okay"

next time be less square! —StevenDaubert

2008-03-09 11:36:03   Brent, it would be great if you could stop by the Joe Crowley Student Union, room 345 at 4:00pm on Friday. Myself (Gregory Green, ASUN Speaker of the Senate) and a few others would like to meet with you. Thank you for the offer to come by! —ASUN

2008-03-26 02:22:27   you seemed very enthusiastic about your ruling prowess, DESPITE BEING ON THE PHONE!

quite the riddle you are —StevenDaubert

2008-03-26 22:33:37   Nice. I like the change! —IDoNotExist

2008-04-01 01:36:24   YAAA YOU RULE! —StevenDaubert

2008-04-01 03:03:02   Nice catch. I zotted the shock images so the "do you want to revert?" images can't be used for no good. —JabberWokky

2008-04-01 12:43:45   Brent gives great hugs! —BreeButler

2008-05-12 17:09:39   Nice. —JoshFernandez

2008-05-15 21:07:19   fired retroactively by UC Davis Student Affairs? Lolwut

what really happened? —StevenDaubert

2008-06-16 13:44:02   Yeah, I'm on frequently, but frequently lurking... —ScottLay

2008-06-16 14:09:54   chaiiinnnnsssss —StevenDaubert

2008-06-26 15:55:48   you left out the comments in the revert of nish, it needs to go back about 8 or 10 edits. nish keeps adding null edits as if it will make it impossible to recover. —RocksandDirt

2008-06-26 18:33:35   Thanks for preserving all that history at Valley Oak Elementary School. It would be a shame if they just demolish those murals. —JasonAller

2008-06-28 00:58:57   Is 11 propositions a huge a mount or a tiny amount? Your comment is somewhat indistinct, and [WWW]this list doesn't really clarify either. —JoePomidor

2008-07-21 19:02:40   please tell me your acadian story when you get the time

thanks —StevenDaubert

2008-08-01 17:02:42   Brent, my wonderful friend, how have you been? —AndrewPeake

2008-08-12 00:02:46   Nice color theme. —JabberWokky

2008-08-21 14:37:00   Yeah, right. I have NO time to be doing anything of the sort. And plus I'm not sure about the ethical questions that would raise since I'm also on staff at the Aggie. Editing the wiki is one thing, starting a club to promote it is another ballgame. I do hope that someone will care enough about it to do it though — red tape is made for cutting! —JeremyOgul

2008-08-22 20:04:53   Thank you for the inter wiki linkage, and good looking out on the 1000 edits / 20 new entries —StevenDaubert

2008-08-24 22:34:10   Hope I wasn't coming off as malicious there, just trying to make a point. I was for changing the MC page too and Josh's comment amused me. —jefftolentino

2008-08-26 00:12:05   So where in Davis can I bother you come September? —BreeButler

2008-08-26 21:22:51   Sorry Brent, I assume you mean that you will place the term invisibly back in the page? —gager

2008-08-26 22:41:54   smallgate on æ? —StevenDaubert

2008-08-27 18:47:45   So what about my solution of deleting it altogether. Then if people complain, then we could rethink it. Aren't there rules about derrogatory language? —mikewaltz

2008-08-27 18:49:58   And what if Tom doesn't want comments like this directed toward him? —mikewaltz

2008-08-27 21:31:20   You make me sad Brent. —BreeButler

2008-08-31 18:23:02   The wiki won't be the same without you, Brent! —CurlyGirl26

2008-09-03 18:48:28   Do you mean "most recent" or "final" in [WWW]this edit? Worded as "last", it could be either. —JabberWokky

2008-09-03 19:36:32   Hello, Brent. Have any advice for a fellow LAWR-er trying to improve the quality of LAWR propaganda on Davis Wiki, or heck, any advice in general? —HJH

2008-09-03 21:15:09   He's now stealing NorCal water, and fighting to become the new minister of weather control policy, or so I've heard. —DavidPoole

2008-09-06 19:51:29   How much better do you feel? —JasonAller

2008-09-07 11:11:08   Petty joy for reasonable acts is still joy. (I feel I should attribute that to Mencken or Reader's Digest or somebody). —JabberWokky

2008-09-09 06:10:40   Hey, is this person (user entry now deleted, look in info) of sufficient note to have an entry? I only ask because now would be the time. The name appeared in student government type entries, but has been removed. I have no idea if the offices held are noteworthy or not. —JabberWokky

2008-09-29 21:36:16   What's the Frequency, Kenneth? —IDoNotExist

2008-09-30 18:19:45   Thanks for getting my back on that b&b revert! —StevenDaubert

2008-10-11 13:19:08   Do you know why SO was banned this time? —EdWins

2008-11-11 15:28:54   Good Questions. —JasonAller

2008-11-13 07:11:18   Thanks for standing up for our bagels! —StaceyEllis

2008-12-06 17:38:49   ha! awesome, thanks. —ArlenAbraham

2008-12-08 00:01:28   thanks man —ChrisWaterstraat

2008-12-13 19:44:19   Hi Brent! Your help over at the Camarillo Wiki is much appreciated! I'm hoping that once there's a good number of pages then more people will come help out. It's got almost 60 wiki fans on Facebook, but few come to the Camarillo Wiki to edit. —MicheleTobias

2008-12-28 01:49:40   thank you for the fix! i've been slowly trying to get this wiki together and have yet to recruit others to add to it, so knowing that there are people out there who are helping is a great relief. —MyMagentaLute

2008-12-30 23:36:28   Seriously — [WWW]piquerism? Learn something new every day. —PhilipNeustrom

2009-01-05 10:38:14   Actually, joekunin started [la]la; I just noticed it and added a few things I'd found. I keep meaning to go back and add more; hopefully interest will grow and we can get it going. —ElleWeber

2009-02-03 15:59:14   This was a real long time ago...but do [WWW]you remember who made that video? I remember watching it, and I wanted to see it again but This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by WMG. according to youtube. —EdWins

2009-02-10 20:01:01   Thanks for working out that Copyright issue with The California Aggie. —JasonAller

2009-02-16 23:59:30   I'm so glad you are still around ASUCD on the wiki, even if you cannot be here in person. —AmyHartstein

2009-02-17 01:00:51   Interesting endorsement-like statements, Zaana's idea would definitely not fix Pathfinder, I believe she's taken a "cut it" stance. —GregWebb

2009-02-17 01:09:16   I find myself in between a rock and a hard place but the deficit is growing so I'm willing to accept any proposal. —GregWebb

2009-02-17 07:48:58   IAC didn't write the External Representation Amendment, I did. =P They made very few changes when it was seen in commission. —EliYani

2009-02-26 13:52:42   LOL they must think I take this stuff seriously. —GregWebb

2009-02-26 14:30:22   Who are you so wise in the ways of science? —MattBlair

2009-03-01 06:23:45   Nice use of back-off editing with the Infernal Affairs page. —GregWebb

2009-03-04 18:45:27   That was a pretty large revert, did you mean to go that far? —JasonAller

2009-04-08 01:19:45   Brent, you seem to know what you're doing around here. I created a page for one of the ASUCD Presidents I knew, Peter Nguyen. However, I don't know how to link that to the list of all the ASUCD Presidents so that people can just click on his name and get to the page. Can you help, please? —maxtran

2009-04-15 01:08:02   Hi Brent, in terms of the battle of bands, I really don't want to engage in an edit war. But it is simply untrue to say that the Band-uh cheats their opponents in the battle. I explained on WilliamLewis's page that the wiki page dedicated to the battle is confusing and has several inaccuracies. In its current state, it's probably not the best page to base statements on the featured page off of. I welcome the opportunity to discuss the facts with you, on account of I am somebody who was actually present during the wee hours of the night for some of the battles in question. While I think it is healthy for people to have a discussion, such a discussion obviously doesn't belong in the form of reverts on the featured page. Therefore, since there is not consensus on this issue, I propose leaving the featured page text neutral for the time being and allow any necessary discussion on an appropriate page. —RyanCoates

2009-04-15 02:04:54   The "rule" that the Aggie Band always wins is not really a rule, people sort of just say that because they have never lost. In the case of an agreed tie, each band plays their fight song in order. Tradition is that the Band-uh is always the last band to march into the PD battle, therefore they are the last to play their fight song in the case of a tie. If they played their fight song first, then they would have played one fewer songs than the other bands and it wouldn't be much of a tie. I can see how to an audience this would appear like the Band-uh was winning a tie, so to speak, but that's not really what's happening. In the absence of a tie agreement, the battle becomes winnable. That the Aggie Band always wins is not really a rule, but more of a creed among Aggie bandsmen. Some other band could plausibly come with more music and stamina and outlast the Band-uh. Some have tried this, but have been unable to exhaust the Band-uh's library. Just because nobody has yet been able to outplay the Ags doesn't that they couldn't or won't in the future. —RyanCoates

2009-04-30 18:46:36   I prototyped a little threaded shadow site called Mondo (a type of border grass... get it? The grass around a Sycamore?) a couple years ago, I think it was the January a few months before Wiki Spot launched. I can dust off the code, but it's really simple: threaded, uses the same css as Davis Wiki (I'd have to alter it for Wiki Spot), and the basic formatting markup ('''bold''', etc., plus links). It was very dwiki specific at the time, and ran on PHP/adodb. I never got to linking the user accounts, as I was noodling through ideas and never found one I really liked. —JabberWokky

2009-05-14 06:33:03   Why? —JasonAller

2009-07-05 23:52:20   I hate you, Mr. Claus. —JabberWokky

2009-07-06 08:50:47   How about moving day as a featured page? —CovertProfessor

2009-07-08 09:16:43   [WWW]Happy now? :) —ElleWeber

Look, Brent. I'm too dumb at this wiki stuff to know how to revert pages and all that. I barely know how to make revisions. But public record is public record, and there is nothing wrong with listing the names of those who voted on those days. I do not object to my name being listed at the bottom of the letter I wrote. Anyway, not sure what your intent was with that, but please let me know what would be agreeable to you.
—I figured out the "revert" thing. What do you think of this version? I modified the intro so that it was as neutral as I could make it. -Cameron

2009-09-12 15:28:16   no, bluedot. but as far as what youre refering to, they were always called Xe internally-_\| —xe p.s. back in 99 when i met seals their opion was that it sounded like a good opportunity but that P.-r==i5n44c##e was a pussy. and the delta/rangers thought it was some pussy seal crap.(no running//haha)

2009-09-20 03:17:55   I'm just getting started. I plan to replace this site with my own creation (davissource) when I'm done discrediting/suing you people out of existence. :) —lawdog

2009-09-23 13:41:42   are you arguing with a sign? —StevenDaubert

2009-10-01 11:12:02   Different type of page. —JabberWokky

2009-10-18 18:05:23   love the walled garden post —StevenDaubert

2009-11-09 13:35:33   I remember that— I was looking through Chapter 4 on the bus into Sac today. I'm working on another revision, because even with all the hours we put into them before, they still need it. —MaxMikalonis

2009-11-09 14:11:47   I'm a reporter from the Enterprise writing an article about daviswiki being named the "world's best local wiki." Would like to interview users. I'm writing this for tomorrow's paper, so please call me as soon as you can at 747-8052. —jon.edwards

2009-11-10 02:19:11   MORE LINKS! ;-P —JabberWokky

2009-11-24 15:16:26   Hi Brent,

You mind helping me integrate the new page with the old page? My idea is update the Ari Kalfayan page with current information and creating a "Ari Kalfayan ASUCD Senator" or "Ari Kalfayan laptop Usage" Page for all commentary. What do you think? —dlabs

2009-11-25 22:30:38   Hello, did you make the graph for the student fees over time? If so, may I use it on one of my websites? I will of course credit you. Thank you. —hankim

2009-11-25 23:05:13   Awesome, thank you. Could I get the source data too if it is not too much trouble? And Obama not playing Magic makes sense, real nerds read Green Lantern, not Spider-Man. —hankim

2009-12-23 00:47:35   What happened to the page? There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with my post. And of all places, why was it moved to my profile? I'm also trying to figure out how to reply with indented bullets. You probably made a misunderstood what it was I was trying to post to. —ThanhVu

2010-01-25 20:38:10   Rocking the shutter! —JabberWokky

2010-01-25 21:02:13   I have a few directories like that. I did note that there's a poster in a photo notifying people about the 2005 W-2. —JabberWokky

2010-01-26 14:55:32   Okay... that was odd. I edited, you commented, and your comment went away. I haven't seen anything like that in years (other than the "two people create a new entry at once" bug). Probably an odd quirk in the collision reconciliation code. —JabberWokky

2010-01-29 16:55:16   Date your older photos! —PhilipNeustrom

2010-01-29 21:36:13   Thanks for the help earlier, Mr. Laabs! —RyanMeyerhoff

2010-02-09 17:59:47   So alone... —JabberWokky

2010-02-10 21:30:40   In general I agree that organizational account names are problematic, but I thought williamliuphotography was pretty real and legitimate. —NickSchmalenberger

2010-02-16 22:13:49   Hahaha I completely lost it when I checked out what you reverted. Pure comedy gold! —TomGarberson

2010-02-16 22:24:04   Gosh, that was weird. —DonShor

2010-02-17 00:57:00   Do ASUCD members really have any power over campus printing, readers, wireless internet in the dorms, infrastructure maintenance, or anything else promised? Every election I hear a few of the same issues repeated and it seems like the people who got elected never kept their end of the bargain. To me, it looks like they have no more power over these issues than the average student and the only way to get these issues looked at would be to apply as a student adviser to the Chancellor or something and these promises are used to feed on ignorant voters (loaded question is loaded). —hankim

2010-02-22 23:57:31   Hahahaha! I hadn't seen [WWW]that before... freaking hilarious! —TomGarberson

2010-02-25 21:23:23   [WWW]They see me trolling. —hankim

2010-02-26 07:30:28   It makes me feel so welcome to this community when my efforts are belittled. —Risky

2010-02-26 11:03:36   I saw that D&D comic in one of those little christian comic books you find, absolutely hilarious. I wish I could learn real spells at 8th level. —DagonJones

2010-02-28 08:21:46   even though it was obvious, good trolling —StevenDaubert

2010-03-01 02:13:18   Please excuse me Brent. I searched "people's vanguard of davis". It also is not listed on the "media" page. —BruceHansen

2010-03-01 03:13:32   Brent, maybe I only looked at "all pages" instead of doing a search. —BruceHansen

2010-03-02 17:36:36   Click: Move U. For a few minutes, there was a redirect chain (starting with 'Move UC'). I dislike orphaned, unneccessary redirects. —EdWins

2010-03-04 16:40:10   Where did you get "tear gas" from in your writeup on the home page? (I've been tear gassed by LEO. Their SOP is to use overwhelming amounts if it is used. It sucks and is really clear it is happening, and EMS treats people for awhile afterwards) It's not a minor thing, and I can find no confirmation on any news source, several of which have been doing live reports from the scene. Possibly it was used somewhere other than the I-80 confrontation or someplace where there isn't media? —JabberWokky

2010-03-04 16:40:31   Are you sure it wasn't the pepper balls? —JabberWokky

2010-03-04 19:06:32   my middle name is killjoy... killjoy, bumout. —PxlAted

2010-03-05 14:15:43   Ahh ok! In that case, it might as well remain on there. We might end up wanting to rename the pages to "March 4-x, 2010" depending on what happens with it. —TomGarberson

2010-03-06 12:53:47   [WWW]Hahahahahaha!TomGarberson

2010-03-11 16:17:50   Not only did you quote Naruto... you quoted the English dub. Shame. —hankim

2010-03-11 17:27:34   Good point! The running variety. —TomGarberson

2010-04-22 16:10:18   I misread Proposition 13. Could you guide me towards the source that you used? —hankim

P.S. - Not really economics, more of a policy thing.

2010-05-14 02:25:47   it's in the costco membership that they can search you upon exit of the store iirc —StevenDaubert

2010-06-03 19:39:56   Most of the discussion has happened here, although I wasn't a part of it. In reading back over it, it looks like the massive list is probably beyond what the general consensus approves. Listing prices appears not to be a problem in and of itself, though.

The funny thing is that an ugly price list like they had before seems to be much closer to OK than a decent-looking one, based on the discussion there. —TomGarberson

2010-06-15 14:27:57   I seem to be channeling your editing style these past two days. Viva la Labster! —JabberWokky

2010-06-16 15:39:53   "Since we didn't want to jump the gun, on the Knight Foundation grant, I delayed making this page." Is it just me, or are you feeling like you just finished walking through a grant-induced-tunnel and stepped out into open space regarding Wiki Spot plans? —JabberWokky

2010-06-16 15:56:12   Yes. —BrentLaabs

2012-04-03 14:28:16   It's good to see your privilege still exists. You have to exert it every once in a while, or it might just disappear. —EliYani

2012-04-03 15:42:45   Well, I think it's better if MW explains her comments, since I don't want to put words in her mouth. However, I think the basic point is that some people, because of the color of their skin and the nature of our society, have experiences X, Y, and Z, and others, because they have a different color skin, have experiences A, B, and C. As a result of their different experiences, one group may have difficulty seeing why something is problematic for another group, and because they can't see it, they brush it off. I don't think it's racist to point that out.

Did you come back to the wiki after all this time to argue about the Occupy movement and otherwise pick fights, or to add content? —CovertProfessor

2012-04-03 17:40:08   Pretty sure I never called you a stupid white male. Thanks for putting words in my mouth, though. If you don't understand what "check your privilege" means, see [WWW]here for clarification. —MeggoWaffle

2012-04-03 19:51:14   I would be interested in your definition of racism. I am unclear as to how pointing out your white male identity and the privileges that stem from it is racist. —MeggoWaffle

2012-04-03 20:12:20   Do you not see the outrageous irony in the first sentence of [WWW]this comment? —CovertProfessor

2012-04-03 20:26:24   Ok, I will take you at your word, then, and try to explain. You said, "I understand you may have racist views, but please keep them off of the wiki. This is a space where people should be respectful to one another, and work cooperatively to build consensus."

Saying that MW has racist view is hardly being respectful or conducive to working cooperatively. You took the worst possible interpretation of what she said, an interpretation that you have yet to explain. At your request, I explained to you why I thought her comments were not at all racist, but you haven't responded to that, either. —CovertProfessor

2012-04-03 20:52:27   I am glad to see the productive edits; thank you.

Here is another reading of your exchange with MW: I think her original comment *was* meant to inform; although you may not have heard the phrase "check your privilege" before, it is widely used, and she had no way of knowing that you hadn't heard it before. Your response to her doesn't indicate that you didn't understand the phrase, but it does indicate that you were brushing off what she was saying with (as you say) a flippant comment. So, then she says something that amounts to "it's all too easy to brush off a concern if you never had experiences that would allow you to fully understand the concern" and you call her a racist. I think that that was out of line on your part. You admittedly didn't understand what she was saying at first, yet you somehow knew she was making a racist comment? You later accused her of making an ad hominem. How about trying the principle of charity, i.e., read what she said in the most charitable way possible, not the least charitable way possible? —CovertProfessor

2012-04-04 09:14:04   Ok, let me try to explain how I see the issue with the term "Occupy" and perhaps that will help, although I am starting to fear that you are determined to see yourself as the wronged party no matter what I say.

Using the term "Occupy" for the name of the movement is, for some, similar or the same as using the names "The Final Solution," "Crusade" (yes, I know about the organization on campus — don't get me started" or "Jihad." I might be a Native American whose people were kicked off of their land and shuttled to a reservation where no food would grow and where there was nothing to hunt. I might have grown up in a culture that was completely demoralized, groping to resuscitate the tattered remains of that culture which the government sought to wipe out through "education" and "reform." I might have watched some of the members of my family deal with this through drugs and alcohol and watched others succeed in avoiding that fate only by leaving their people. All of this as a result of those who proclaimed their right to "occupy" lands that belong to my ancestors. And I might be one of the successful ones who fought my way to college and who has been trying ever since to bring the ongoing plight of my people to the attention of others. So, when someone like that expresses a concern about the name "Occupy" and you reply, "Those people might need to chill and realize that one can't get everything one asks for" I might think that having to pay high tuition isn't the worst thing that can happen to someone. I might wonder when my people will get anything that they asked for, and why our concerns are always, again and again, being brushed over. I might hope that in a university community, people would at least listen to what I had to say and not just tell me to "chill" without considering my concerns — that they could disagree with me about the name of the movement, but that they should at least acknowledge where I am coming from and not just dismiss me and my concerns. I might point out that that person's privileged position, based on their race and gender, is why they fail to see my concerns worthy of any consideration. And if that person takes offense at me pointing this out, I might be inclined to say, "those people need to chill and realize that having someone pointing out your privilege is not the worst thing that can happen to someone."

That is my genuine attempt to explain what has happened here. If you still think you are entirely the wronged party... well, I'm not sure what else I can say, other than I think you are sorely mistaken. —CovertProfessor

2012-04-04 11:05:09   In fact, I think it does belong on the wiki. I think you've played out a scenario that has occurred within the group itself, with some members dismissing the concerns about the name out of hand and others pointing out that this dismissal stems out of privilege. —CovertProfessor

2012-04-04 11:21:19   I can, but honestly, at this point I'm not inclined to. Maybe later. Right now I feel as though I have gone out of my way to explain things patiently and clearly with very little response to the substance of my comments on your part. I'd like to hear something from you other than your feelings about being personally attacked. —CovertProfessor

2012-04-05 13:12:40   Well, yes, there is probably no point in continuing that particular conversation now. However, I am quite annoyed that you kept asking questions, which I spent a fair amount of time answering, only to have you ignore them. In the future I would expect you to actually engage in dialogues that you begin. —CovertProfessor

2012-04-06 05:16:35   I never said a thing the whole time cause I knew you would speak for me

Thanks —StevenDaubert

2012-04-06 07:54:12   Your long explanation on my page is all beside the point. As I said to WL, I have no problem with principled and respectful disagreement over whether the term "occupy" is appropriate. What I do object to is what you did initially — which was to completely dismiss the concerns with the line "Those people might need to chill and realize that one can't get everything one asks for." Now, if you want to say that you had in mind your pragmatic reasons all along, well, that's interesting, but not really relevant to others who cannot read your mind and who can only judge by your actions. It is also exceedingly doubtful to me that anyone who really understood those concerns would say something dismissive like that (not to mention that you admitted that you didn't know of any use of the term "occupy" to imply "oppression," so I am not sure how you can now claim to have reflected on those concerns). Again, one can understand those concerns and still disagree with them, but one who simply dismisses those concerns is, I think, in a position where they have not suffered under an occupation. And the gargantuan leap by where you come to call MW a racist — sorry, still not buying it, for the reasons I have already stated, and whatever you think of her tactics pragmatically has nothing to do with whether her statement was racist or not. It wasn't. —CovertProfessor —P.S. If you genuinely are a pragmatist, then you should not be making flippant, dismissive comments, as they tend to only inflame (as they have done here) rather than persuade.

2012-05-24 08:03:27   Hey Brent, maybe you could help me out with the MIND Institute page? I work there, and several years ago the Institute actually officially changed its name to not have the periods between the letters. I went to rename the page, and that's how I found out there was that other page that had been created just last year with the now correct name. More pages linked to the old MIND Institute page so I instead tried to delete the new one and was then going to rename the old one to not have the periods between the letters. Ideas? —DavidBenjamin

2012-05-25 23:26:20   Thanks for doing the arboretum navigation table. An elegant solution. —CovertProfessor

2012-05-26 00:02:37   Maybe for the future. For now, you've made it much easier for someone to explore the arboretum pages. —CovertProfessor

2012-05-29 19:10:37   [WWW]Be my guest. —CovertProfessor

2012-05-29 22:49:54   Oh, [WWW]for sure... thought maybe I could inspire you. :-) —CovertProfessor

2012-12-11 07:36:40   It's OK with me, too. I thought others might be bothered by it, but if not, great! —CovertProfessor

2012-12-14 13:36:02   Love the Comic Sans! I wish that was on my diploma. —PhilipNeustrom

2013-03-18 11:05:34   Your election model is simultaneously the least scientific and most hilarious one I've ever seen. —MaxwellKappes

2013-04-02 20:54:51   If it wasn't for the sarcasm dripping off your note, I'd thank you :P Actually if it really was a compliment, I am appreciative. Am I wrong? Is he no longer banned? —PeteB

2013-11-15 08:55:56   Why have you made a new page again out of 'Andrea Thomas'? I don't like it, it's like she is bullied all over again. She wants to get on with her life, isn't that clear? —ConstantiaOomen

2013-11-15 15:01:18   I would be happy to oblige, but we must first clarify this. Brent, please tell me how you meant this text about Andrea Thomas. I was just expressing my opinion that I wouldn't be glad too if somebody would write that about me. My motive is compassion and yours? —ConstantiaOomen

2013-11-16 11:08:05   In this case it's not so much about (your exact) words, but about doing something very obvious against Andrea Thomas' will: renewing and reinforcing (with new text) an old and lame ASUCD history. Andrea repeatedly, and at various points, made it clear that she doesn't like this page because it stands in the way of her future. This page makes (made) lame comments about her ASUCD past, her 'non-existing', 'not showing up' ('when she should have') etc..

I agree with her that this is not funny at all, only to the people who made those comments. Maybe you weren't aware of the situation?

So, you were putting her in the spotlight again, just at the time that she was returning and thanking everybody for doing the right thing and deleting the silly page and remarks. Only some insiders (?) find these remarks funny, but the person in question doesn't think it is funny and I doubt that outsiders would think it is funny or relevant for that matter. —ConstantiaOomen

2013-11-16 21:12:21   I don't understand this at all. It's just a minor thing and you could do Andrea Thomas a huge favor. This is not about censorship but making Davis Wiki friendly to both users and discussed. I am doing this for a fellow citizen. I don't even know her, I would do it for anybody in this position. And I am not going anywhere. Is this Davis hospitality? :-\ I hope not. But in this case: I give up. Just make this lame page about Andrea again. I am sorry Andrea, I do not receive enough back-up to help you anymore. —ConstantiaOomen

2013-11-21 21:53:55   "(i still think my version was the best)" You must be the most modest person in Davis, wow! :-) —ConstantiaOomen

2013-11-21 22:10:36   I'm glad someone has finally recognized my clearly superior modesty! —BrentLaabs

2013-11-21 22:12:35   I hope you meet Andrea, I hope she likes you anyway. —ConstantiaOomen

2013-11-21 22:20:59   PS : I don't have a sock-puppet, I don't know where you get your stuff, but you'd better check it thoroughly. —ConstantiaOomen

I don't understand. When I searched for Daniel Pfister before, my profile page didn't come up. Since I changed the page name, it comes up just fine. I changed Lourdes' because I know her quite well (you'd know that if you read her profile) and she'd asked for help. She'll be helping me edit my pages as well. We're happy to hear advice, but please don't reverse things that we've done on eachother's pages. Thanks. Daniel Pfister
* Yeah, I did read her page. But it's still a violation of social norms around here. Forcing someone else to not have a user page, and only have a public page is a little gauche. She might be okay with that, which is cool, but it is likely to give other editors the wrong idea. —BrentLaabs

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