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2010-07-23 18:51:48   Welcome to the wiki. I am sorry if you and I had a rocky start. I appreciate your not wanting to get into an editing war; neither do I. But perhaps you might wish to chime in on the discussion my revert of your edit sparked at ["Law Students/Talk"]. Some people, such as myself, do feel strongly about the content and wording of the wiki's pages. I agree with you that charm and readability are not mutually exclusive. I guess I thought it was already both charming and readable. :-) But more important to me than the wording of this particular edit is that you not be turned away from editing the wiki; another editor has expressed this concern. As an academic, I think it's important to be able to work together through the occasional disagreement, and I hope you stick around the wiki to do just that. —CovertProfessor

2010-07-23 21:56:09   Seriously though, weight in on the talk page, and welcome to the wiki

Funny how king is ranked higher than McGeorge, but McGeorge has had a higher bar passage rate... —StevenDaubert

Of course, the bar exam is a hazing ritual that has little to do with the actual practice of law —wl

True, but bar passage rate is only one factor, and not even the most important one, when it comes to U.S. News and World Report. It's typically undergrad GPA and LSAT score that rule both the rankings and whether you get into a particular law school. —BP

2010-07-29 12:01:49   It's worth plenty, the more voices the better. Some people get heated about certain issues that've been boiling for a long time now, but everyone's got an equal voice, subject to the establishment of a little bit of identity. Some of us are leery about the idea of requiring identity (of whatever sort) as a threshold to having a voice here, but regardless, you're easily past that point. —TomGarberson

2010-07-29 13:48:47   Brian, if you have a few minutes to spare, would you mind dropping in and giving your input over at Wiki Community/Can't We All Just Get Along? As a newer user who caught some backlash from the tension that's been floating around here, your opinion would be very valuable. —TomGarberson

2010-07-29 14:58:43   I didn't think you'd be the person to break first. Should I reply and point out that it isn't me who is obsessed with identity? Would that be constructive for the page? Would it be constructive if we started arguing — now — about whether your edit improved readability? —CovertProfessor

• I'm sorry if it seemed I was trying to blame you. I don't think anyone in particular is to blame. My only point is that the tone of changes, edits, reverts, etc., is getting out of hand. Just the tone of your response recalls the combative nature of this wiki. Big Bad Editor v. N00b. When so-called n00b objects, enter other big bad editors to back up BBE. Then things digress from there until we have a page, created to discuss a page. For the sake of argument, let's say your reversion of my changes were 100% awesome. Someone like me in your position might say "Hey ... new guy here ... edits not totally worthless ... perhaps I'll let it fly for now and send him a message asking if he took into account the "whimsical" nature of the page before I go and revert it back hoping the door doesn't hit him on the way out ... " ... But that's ME, which is why I was taken aback by it. —BrianPakpour
  

• Hey, that's my apology at the top of this page, and an attempt to restart the relationship. I agree that I didn't handle your edit as well as I might have. It's also interesting for me to hear your perspective, because it seems to me that the BBE's are disagreeing amongst each other with far more heat. Not that that's a good thing. But it means that everyone is on edge and thus not as patient as they should be with new people. That doesn't excuse my behavior, but perhaps it helps explain it a bit. And, I might add, it explains the talk page that was created for your edit. That had more to do with DS (who has been furious at me for some time) and me than it did with you. Sorry you got caught in the middle. —CovertProfessor
  

• The fact of the matter is that you all have a right to take exception to many of the edits here. There are so many immature individuals just flaming pages, deleting comments, and starting new user accounts just to do it all over again. But I think you, better than others, understand that not every new editor does those things. I'm sorry if it seemed I was blaming you. I appreciate the apology and we'll try to start our relationship anew. I plan to update my page, but I just haven't decided what to add. -BP
  

• It's a deal. I'm all for clean slates. :-) —cp
  

• That's because you're a professor and have students to clean your chalk board. Bourgeois! Off with his/her head! (Sorry, I just played Guillotine last night). —tg
  

• Students to clean off my chalkboard!! Ha! What century are you in?! *amused* —cp
  

• I thought that's what TAs are for. -BP
  

• That's been known to happen every now and then. I'm always a bit surprised when it does. —cp
  

2010-08-01 08:35:22   Why is it so inappropriate? Maybe there is more to it than would appear, especially if it is the sort of bike that is more noticed by people who care about those bike shops particularly. I assumed this was the reason why it was posted on those 2 pages. —NickSchmalenberger

I don't know that it's inappropriate per se, but if everyone did it, the bike shop pages would get awfully long. The Bike Recovery System page is a good place for that stuff. —TomGarberson


Well sure, but I don't expect most people to do it anyway because the Bike Recovery System is a more obvious place. I don't think its a problem for these things to occaisionally be posted in other reasonable places too. It can always be removed later once its really irrelevant. -NickSchmalenberger


I think I was kind of thinking along Tom's general line of thought. If everyone immediately tags pages associated with an object they lost whenever they lost it (think: all the pages having to do with pets), it could get messy, and unnecessarily so, since we already have the Bike Recovery System. Again, I feel for someone who's lost his bike (or pet for that matter), but I'm not sure posting to various pages throughout the Wiki to recover it is the appropriate method to do so. He also already posted about it a few months ago. - BP

2010-08-02 14:36:23   I'm not the one who originally added it, but yes. —WilliamLewis