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''2010-05-14 23:06:08'' [[nbsp]] BTW, you're such a crappy [ bad cop]! You do a lot of things well around here, but being mean isn't one of them :) --["Users/TomGarberson"]

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  1. About the CovertProfessor
  2. CovertProfessor's Quick Restaurant Picks
  3. CovertProfessor's Restaurant Reviews
    1. American/Californian
    2. Sandwiches
    3. Chinese
    4. Frozen Dessert
    5. Other Dessert
    6. European
    7. Indian/Afghan
    8. Japanese/Korean
    9. Latin American/Tex-Mex/Caribbean
    10. Middle Eastern
    11. Pizza
    12. Thai
    13. Vietnamese
    14. Out of business
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CovertProfessor's Quick Restaurant Picks

Restaurants are listed in order of preference. I've only listed restaurants that I like. If a restaurant is not listed, it usually means I don't like it, but it might just mean that I haven't tried it. See details below.

Best hamburgers: 1. Crepeville (but not Burgers and Brew), 2. Ali Baba
Best pizza: 1. Village Bakery, 2. Symposium, 2. Lamppost Pizza - tie for second
Best Chinese: 1. Davis Noodle City/Red Orchid Restaurant, 2. Wok of Flame
Best Thai: 1. Thai Nakorn, 2. Thai Bistro, 3. Sophia's, 4. Thai Recipes
Best Indian: 1. Raja Indian Cuisine, 2. Kathmandu Kitchen
Best Japanese/Korean: 1. Zen Toro, 2. Davis Oshio Cafe, 3. Manna
Best middle eastern: Ali Baba, Sam's Mediterranean, and Café Méditerranée (Ok, I've just named the three middle eastern restaurants in town... but how can I rank them when I like them for different things?).
Best Mexican: 1. El Mariachi - as far as I know, the only place in town where you can get a burrito with vegetables in it.
Best upscale: Aioli Bodega Espanola, Little Prague, Osteria Fasulo, Seasons, Tucos - These are unranked and in alpha order because I like them equally well.
Best frozen dessert: 1. Davis Creamery, 2. Icekrimski Cafe, 3. Yolo Berry Yogurt
Best dessert: 1. Konditorei - Others are good, such as The Candy House of Davis or Little Prague, but none really hold a candle to Konditorei.
Best café: 1. Cloud Forest Cafe, 2. Delta of Venus
Best place to get fresh fruits and veggies: 1. CSA, 1. FL Strawberries (tie for first), 2. Farmers' Market, 3. Ikedas
Best other: Sunrise Restaurant (Vietnamese), Farmer's Kitchen Cafe (local, organic), Crepeville, The Hotdogger

CovertProfessor's Restaurant Reviews



Davis's sandwich scene has been looking up lately, though it still isn't quite what it could be.


Frozen Dessert

Other Dessert




Latin American/Tex-Mex/Caribbean

Middle Eastern



Ah, Thai food. A well-made Thai sauce is the nectar of gods. Davis is lucky to have so many good Thai restaurants.


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2010-01-04 18:20:48   You aren't the only one. —JasonAller

2010-01-04 22:16:17   Thanks for helping rewrite the page about the hospital. I'm confused though about why the two doctors offices are mentioned as places students shouldn't go in an emergency. Isn't this equally true for anyone at any doctors office? —NickSchmalenberger

2010-01-04 23:11:40   RE: Abella vs. Abba.... it bothers me a lot. I have no affiliation with either business, but I do know bad ethics when I see them. I love small business, and it really irks me when one small business uses not so nice tactics against another. My own personal opinion is that this is what is occurring with the name thing. The [WWW]Board of Barbering and Cosmetology still has Abella on file in the same location, while Abba's license is new and has the old nail salon address. I would think this is fairly indicative of a new business being established next door rather than what Davis25's edits are suggesting.

I've taken a less direct approach to this issue because I seem to bring all the anonymous users out of the woodwork when I open my mouth! —MichellePalmer

2010-01-06 20:52:01   Thanks CovertProfessor for the corrections to my wiki page (Pilates Flow Fitness). Sincerely, crpike —crpike

2010-01-07 20:42:50   Nicely worded reply to Soon. —JabberWokky

2010-01-08 18:54:49   Do you want to Welcome Luther, or should I do it? —JasonAller

2010-01-08 19:49:16   Oh, I agree they are the same person. Read my comment to where I suggest that they close that account and come back with another one. As such maybe the comment they left as Luther could be restored? Yes, they had sockpuppeted under the old account, but maybe Luther was an attempt at a clean slate? —JasonAller

2010-01-08 22:57:59   I agree that the sudden burst of edits raises a lot of suspicion. It does on that page, and on any other where what appears to be a business owner makes a few edits and then suddenly there are a flurry of extremely positive reviews. Keep in mind that some of them may be genuinely independent and honest, but good luck sorting out which are which. I've been feeling pretty disappointed about a lot of the recent Self Interest Single Topic EditoRs (SISTERs), particularly those editing using organizational account names. When you care for the wiki on an ongoing basis it is hard not to have times when your focus is drawn toward the edits of people who are abusing the wiki either out of ignorance, which is fixable, or an inability to see the wiki as anything other than a tool to their own ends, which is not fixable. I guess part of my reason for leaving you the first comment about Luther was that it troubles me to see someone's early edits reverted without a note being left one their user page. Sort of along the lines that if it is worth taking the time to revert, then it is worth taking the time to welcome and attempt to educate. On the other hand I don't do that on the main Wiki Spot hub wiki because there is less community there and the spammers and "people who just don't get what a wiki is for" are much less likely to benefit from the effort of trying to reach out and educate.
The recent use of the term "Wiki Cops" by an upset editor was pretty offensive, and I really liked JabberWokky's response to it. My own reaction is that the use of that term demonstrates a huge lack of understanding about the nature of this wiki. When I'm editing here on Davis Wiki I'm mostly a librarian in that I'm cataloging and fixing links. I also clean up after other editors (as some of them clean up after me), and try to reach out to new editors and point them in the direction of resources that might aide in their becoming successful members of this community that so many of us have worked hard to make possible and positive.
Thank you for all the really good edits you've been making. —JasonAller

2010-01-10 13:21:24   Those are specifically the places that also sell frozen yogurt. I'm actually planning on going back and doing the Ice Cream places in a moment as well. Presumably, if there were a 'frozen yogurt' place that also sold ice cream, I'd add the ice cream cross ref to them. —JabberWokky

2010-01-10 13:29:15   ...and done! —JabberWokky

2010-01-10 18:02:17   They should be (and are) crosslinked in their intros, as they are all related. I think a top level entry for just three categories is a little much, but a ["desserts"] entry and even a triple part list on "date food" (and "kids food") might make sense (I think deserts exists... which is why I'm linking it. If it doesn't, it should (edit: it does, under dessert). Desserts for their own sake fit culturally into a few spheres of activity, like dating, kids and... what else? —JabberWokky

2010-01-10 19:28:50   Now it's my turn to be a bit confused... why did you add frozen yogurt and gelato to Dairy Queen... or gelato to Ben and Jerry's? They only have ice cream and ice cream and yogurt, respectively (as far as I know). —JabberWokky

2010-01-10 20:10:20   Oh, I don't mind either way. When editing the wiki, other ideas of how to do things are always okay... and if you think this kind of linking makes sense, I'll roll with it. If you think my way made more sense (just listing the crosslinks for what they actually offer), I'll zip through and "fix" the entries. Either way is useful, so I'm not terribly concerned. My only tiny reservation is that it seems to imply that the place offers all three. —JabberWokky

2010-01-14 22:49:47   I liked your comment on the Roxie's discussion page, Speaking personally — yes, I want the downtown to thrive and be successful. But please understand that the purpose of the wiki is not to promote any particular business, or even the downtown in general. The purpose is to serve as a resource for the Davis community. Thus, both good and bad comments are retained, text that is too "ad-like" or promotional is removed, and the pages should reflect what is true and accurate.PhilipNeustrom

2010-01-15 16:16:25   Nice call on 103. —JabberWokky

2010-01-15 21:48:28   Haha, true, true...I was tempted to turn it into a big redirect-loop... —JoePomidor

2010-01-19 09:52:51   Thank you for the catch. I've been up for two days straight, launching a service and working with somebody in Italy, eight hours ahead. I'm taking a nap now. I'ts amzinag that I get thr lettres and order of words in right. —JabberWokky

2010-01-19 10:17:51   Eep! —IDoNotExist

2010-01-19 21:03:21   Things that don't exist often change history... —IDoNotExist

2010-01-19 22:33:25   The eep, however, was in relation to a certain wikichange... —IDoNotExist

2010-01-19 23:38:38   No no. More along the lines of a change in status... —IDoNotExist

2010-01-20 12:48:10   Indeed. Any idea why that occurred? —IDoNotExist

2010-01-20 18:07:21   That was really nicely written. I think you handled the issue of asking them to use their real name well. —JasonAller

2010-01-22 20:56:02   Part of the reason that Wiki Community/Archiving Comments never got an instructions section is that different people use different naming conventions and structures for archives. So far there isn't one way that emerged as the way to write up. I suppose we could write up the options for each step. Do you think if it were written up clearly that we'd see it being abused by archiving any time a negative comment landed on the page followed up by a bunch of suspiciously wonderful comments? —JasonAller

2010-01-22 21:46:46   I don't think 'premiere' was meant as an advertising adjective. I googled it and it seems to be a ranking or at least an accurate part of the description of the Wizards of the Coast Premier Store Program. Per [WWW]their faq stores start at a bronze tier and work their way up based on it seems their engagement and support of in-store game playing and so on. —EdWins

2010-01-26 20:15:19   Thank you! —IDoNotExist

2010-01-26 23:20:31   RealName != Mohammad, RealName would be MohammadX where x is a variable. I'm sure that Mohammad is his name, I just want a family name as well, odds are good there is more than one in Dtown. —StevenDaubert

2010-01-26 23:29:05   truth

good cleanup btw —StevenDaubert

2010-01-27 21:11:24   It was just my exact irl reaction, and I figured I would share with the rest of the wiki exactly how I felt —StevenDaubert

2010-01-30 21:35:55   Reverting to 132 would give [WWW]this diff. Why do we need to remove the bit about the owner? Why do we need to keep the "davis location" part? Yeah, once we resolve this, removing the stop macro would be a no brainer. I think [WWW]this is the edit that is needed (revert to version 147). —WilliamLewis

2010-01-30 22:18:03   I believe that's a good one... and was agreed to earlier, so it is likely to garner quick and simple positions. —JabberWokky

2010-01-30 22:31:20   (And what William said above... reverting to remove obvious bits of info and correction made since then is silly). —JabberWokky

2010-01-31 17:47:19   [WWW]Brian was saying the same thing October.WilliamLewis

2010-01-31 18:03:18   Yup. And then I welcomed him to the wiki with a [WWW]comment saying his criticism revealed him as an amateur. —WilliamLewis

2010-02-03 11:05:28   I did not notice that you had unbolbed the part about 24 hours on the RC page until after I rebolded it, but can you please leave it bold? I think its significant that repairs can be completed so quickly. —RealComputers

2010-02-03 17:50:21   That was "Arlen Theory". The idea is that if you write something badly enough, it will prompt somebody else to write it in a much better way. It also amused me, as I wonder how often the one sentence introductions atop long lists are read. Thus the "*cough*" comment. It was not a very serious edit, and I really should fix it. —JabberWokky

2010-02-04 20:37:53   RE: "Mobility" heading on Templates/Apartment/Temp - you caught me... I'm trying to raise the profile of the all-encompassing term. I've got this idea floating around that our community needs to start thinking about all of our transportation planning holistically. So, I'm suggesting that we merge the Bicycle Advisory Commission, Safety & Parking Commission, Unitrans Advisory Committee and the Americans with Disability Act (ADA) Committee into on single commission: the City of Davis Mobility Commission. KemblePope

2010-02-05 16:32:44   I indulge quite a bit, I love ice cream and cookies -just be sure to brush and floss :) —DagonJones

2010-02-05 19:54:10   I would join you in your productive edits, but I am now stranded by snow at a Burger King (editing by phone). I scraped a foot of snow off the car, and all I could think is "I can't wait to be back in California". Of course, Sarah has promising post doc positions in Boston, so I may really hate the next two winters. Curse her career!! (Of course, Berkeley is still an open potential target). —JabberWokky

2010-02-06 15:29:11   Thank you — for the spaces! —JabberWokky

2010-02-06 18:16:53   Much better; thank you. —DonShor

2010-02-07 17:47:04   I'm sticking with local froyo, too. No Hollywood hot-shot place will take me away from the deliciousness of Yolo Berry :D —ChristyMarsden

2010-02-08 22:35:16   Looks like business as usual at Hometown. People lining up to order at the register and all. Self-serve water. Maybe they'll go full service later. For now, though, it's same old hometown, snazzy new location with more seating.


2010-02-09 08:59:56   Hey, I tried to chop down the Talk page on Real Computers, but was having trouble finding key points on anything remaining. A few people had voiced their view that the discussion should end soon, so I deleted it. In part, I deleted it because I knew the people who still might want to discuss anything (like you) have the knowledge of how to go back and pull your last active thread and restate the specific points that are still being discussed. That last version was a bit all over the map. In short, I wasn't trying to force an end to the conversation, just a cleanup and refocus, but I wasn't certain enough to be sure I'd pick out the relevant points for the people still discussing things, so I'm leaving it to the participants. —JabberWokky

2010-02-09 09:05:33   It makes sense to me. There are a few Talk pages out there with "it would be really time consuming, but a great idea if somebody...". —JabberWokky

2010-02-10 14:08:15   Real world. People who have called your dog/puppy cute? —JabberWokky

2010-02-10 16:07:13   I have been discreetly pointed to the relevant comment, and I am now enlightened. I would not have figured that out at this date. —JabberWokky

2010-02-14 22:17:46   Quite the plethora of stealthy people of late... —IDoNotExist

2010-02-16 20:46:32   gratzi —StevenDaubert

2010-02-21 10:56:47   I honestly lost track, as there were a large number of sections on several entries being consolidated, broken out and moved. I had a pattern I was following to make sure everything was carefully kept, but was unable to maintain the pattern due to cross-edits occurring — despite a few pleas to wait until the consolidation was complete. I currently hold a tentative belief that all points were integrated, but there was actual content editing (not just housekeeping edits that moved things around) while I was trying to split and merge, which destroyed the clear trail I was trying to establish. At one point I had a text editor with sorted and grouped blocks that I was adding back to the entries (cutting, so the text file emptied out as the content went back into the wiki). To add to the confusion, at one point there was a server reload, which caused at least one edit to be lost. I'm pretty darn certain I caught that one and placed it back. I wound up just quickly dumping in what I had (so it was at least vaguely in place), adding one point and then declaring that I was abstaining from editing, as someone had to back off to prevent the chaos from multiple editors working at cross purposes. I actually would have backed off much earlier (and just returned after a few hours or a day) rather than pushing forward so aggressively, except that I had actual content that was in mid-move and had already been deleted from the wiki. Those large structural moves, especially when you're splitting or merging content, do poorly when they occur at the same time the content itself is being actively edited. I had thought there was a pretty clear group agreement to make the changes, and did not expect editing to occur (or a server reload!) while I was making them. Part of it is that "foo" is a novice and enthusiastic editor who was a little zealous about very quickly correcting the "mistakes" I was making as I grouped blocks of related content together, much of which duplicated each other in different wordings (as is typical when you merge similar entries and want to have all versions in the new entry's history). If anything was lost, I don't think it was significant or unique, and there is now a (hopefully) more consolidated and useful set of entries to press forward with. The next step I envision as follow up will be to go through and either delete the Talk page or at least cut it way down by eliminating the discussion rendered moot by the changes that were made. I wanted to leave it for a day or two rather than just zeroing it out right after the changes that had been discussed occurred. —JabberWokky

2010-02-21 17:30:45   Thanks for catching those. —JasonAller

2010-02-22 13:20:39   [WWW]Me gusta. —WilliamLewis

2010-02-22 15:13:12   I snorted milk up my nose when I read your "garden variety gnome" comment. I wasn't drinking milk. Should I be worried? —TomGarberson

2010-02-22 15:37:07   Dear Nose Doctor: My nose has two cavities. Do I need to get them filled? If so, do I need a medical professional, or can I just go to a swimming shop? —TomGarberson

2010-02-23 18:36:19   I have met the tommyw fellow at the luxury outhouse when I went in there once, he is a nice guy who seems to really care for his mother. I think he just got a little offended and didnt get the humor, maybe he is a bit overprotective. btw I thought it was pretty funny —DagonJones

2010-02-23 19:18:09   I was thinking the same thing when I read the name! It's like how I always make fun of l'eau de toilette whenever I am at a department store. —hankim

2010-02-23 21:19:00   For what it's worth, I also thought your outreach to tommieW was dead on, and I was totally baffled by the response it generated. —TomGarberson

2010-03-01 07:27:07   Thanks for explaining things to TanyaLawrence, that was nice. —NickSchmalenberger

2010-03-03 12:58:41   Rumors of my existence are *highly* exaggerated, and are most likely a figment of someone's imagination...

Will you be at the meeting tonight? —IDoNotExist

2010-03-03 13:30:29   If I *were* to run into you at some point (not that I would know it was you anyway), I promise not to make you less covert. Of course, since I don't actually exist, this seems unlikely to happen. But it's a strange universe, so one never knows. —IDoNotExist

2010-03-03 16:15:31   Looming deadlines can be solved by weaving grants and papers! —IDoNotExist

2010-03-03 16:15:49   Oh, and thank you :) —IDoNotExist

2010-03-04 08:45:30   Personally, I'm of the same opinion. Right now Jason, Joe and anybody else doing selective reverts are kind of "finding the water level" where those important edits are retained. Most can be discarded as fluff (actually, I think quite a bit of fluff could be pruned from here and there all over the wiki). I think I know who Srendi is, and if so, he's done this a few times before. —JabberWokky

2010-03-05 09:10:59   Just to be clear, I agree with you about the policy points and I agree that we do need to get the administrators on our side (although UCOP is far more vital there than Mrak). My objection is to the actual "protest" that occurred yesterday, not to it's supposed goals. No matter how you frame the objective, what they did was counterproductive. They're only going to alienate administration of all levels, they're going to make the UC and its students look bad in Sacramento and throughout the state (i.e. to the voters), and they're harming thousands of students' education, ostensibly in the name of protecting higher education.

If this were a sane, vandalism-free protest that was rationally related to its goals, I would support it 100%. But just because I agree with the ends doesn't mean I'm going to sit back and ignore the means. —TomGarberson

2010-03-05 09:33:46   "Again, Don, I know you see yourself as the white-knight of Davis businesses." That's a little disparaging, especially coming from an anonymous Wikian. I do think that businesses in general are treated with suspicion on the Wiki. What I really wonder is why you are so particularly concerned about every single edit that occurs on RC's page. —DonShor

2010-03-05 16:22:19   We have quite a few disagreements as well as quite a few agreements, just wanted to make sure that there were no hard feelings? —hankim

2010-03-06 23:13:14   *whistles innocently* —TomGarberson

2010-03-07 22:18:10   [snicker]]]] —TomGarberson

2010-03-07 22:25:27   <:-[] —IDoNotExist

2010-03-07 23:52:59   It is rather nice to see a generation protesting on college campuses. Really, it's about time. I was stunned by how little protesting there was in the last decade... —IDoNotExist

2010-03-08 00:01:14   I guess if I look at it as practice in hopes of figuring out how to protest in ways that aren't so counter-productive I can be a bit more optimistic about it. I don't know enough about what goes on between the UCD administration and Sacramento to say much about it, other than that I strongly suspect Oakland has far more influence than does Mrak. If it were local plus Sac and UCOP, that would certainly alleviate one of my concerns. That's still just one among many, though.

It's also probably true that many protests are ruined by just a couple of bad actors. That's something that needs to be taken into account when planning these things, though. If you're going to go that avenue, you don't get a free pass on foreseeable consequences just because your intentions are good. I'm not a fan of negligence any more than I am of shirking personal responsibility. —TomGarberson

2010-03-08 00:04:47   CP, I think it would be awesome if you hung out (read: idled) in the IRC room. Just my two cents. —AlexanderHo

2010-03-08 08:37:05   Over the last few years, I think I've almost got a pretty good guess or two of you who might be. You've certainly dropped far more hints than you ever intended to I'm sure! I don't think I would ever have met or seen you as part of my education, so it's based mostly on recollections of friends and colleagues in another discipline, but I think I'd rather not know and keep it a mystery. —ES

2010-03-08 14:42:27   [WWW]Hahahahaha!TomGarberson

2010-03-08 16:17:05   The IRC channel... it is calling to you... "CP, getting stuff done is overrated!"Davis Wiki IRC

2010-03-09 21:18:08   Incidentally, if this is a pattern, I will trip across an article or video (maybe an audio interview this time?) that lends support to part of your point of view in the next day. I'm kind of surprised All Things Considered didn't have a segment on the protests (not that I heard at any rate, although I don't always actively listen when busy). That would have been a third format. —JabberWokky

2010-03-10 00:07:49   It was on NPR, although probably just on the news and Wait Wait! —IDoNotExist

2010-03-10 10:22:11   Perhaps there is a difference between what people mean when they use the term 'disrupting'. Missing some classes to ponder the position of education in society is a wonderful thing, especially on a college campus when that form of open thought and dialog should be encouraged. Blocking people from getting to the hospital or jeopardizing somebody's research is a different type of disruption. Going up a level to other protests, I think most people would say that sparking an armed conflict with fatalities is too far. This protest fell somewhere between a clearly good thing (more than peaceful public discussion) and a clearly bad thing (less than serious injury), and I think some of the disagreement is based on what people are envisioning when they hear "disruption is good". The March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom was a disruption, and so was the protest of the Bath School property taxes. One had a quarter million people peaceably assembling and changing history. The other was one guy killing or maiming nearly a hundred kids and educators. "Disruption" as a simple word without clarification is probably a dangerous thing to toss around in a discussion of protests without clarification of the nature of disruption you are referring to, especially when there are people arguing that any amount of disruption for an extended period of time is needed while lauding groups that encouraged open display of firearms during protests and others that fire rockets into populated towns. I am fairly confidant that you are not talking about that level of disruption, but possibly rather something more toward the voluntary peaceable assembly that disrupts by being a visible and vocal icon of an issue and drawing people into altering their normal routine to think and discuss that issue (with "what does it take to be visible?" being answered with a pretty wide spectrum of action). Note that none of this really argues anything other than for a clarification of a word that appears to have radically different connotations to different people in the discussion. (And as a personal postscript, any position that this appears to argue for is purely accidental; I used extreme or distantly related examples to attempt to avoid a particular bias toward any particular set of connotations. My personal beliefs would probably be considered very fringe). —JabberWokky

2010-03-10 13:58:09   Did you see that Tanya Lawrence asked you a question on her page? It's the last comment. —BruceHansen

2010-03-10 23:39:59   I can't find an All About Hair corporation, fictitious name, or anything under the name of Tanya Lawrence. —WilliamLewis

2010-03-10 23:48:08   Sorry, brainfart. But I did get the name correct when I did the searches! —WilliamLewis

2010-03-13 10:39:53   Dear Professor, not having been there, I haven't fully "gronked" on the BW pain. Please relax. I'd like to think that I made an improvement i.e. accuracy without any basic or controversial changes. May improvements float. Thanks for restoring the Downtown link. —BruceHansen

2010-03-13 12:33:22   As a side note, "Premier" is a title, an official designation on Drom's and should be capitalized. Removing the bold and all caps was a good edit, IMO. —JabberWokky

2010-03-13 13:57:57   When someone isn't logged in and they see a page with a mailto macro, the email address is displayed as user AT domain DOT tld (as an anti-spam measure). When someone is logged in, the address is displayed as user@domain.tld and the address is a mailto link. The anti-spam measure thing is pointless these days, as just about any scraper in the world will replace AT with @ and DOT with .

But eh.... the macro could be rewritten to be more useful in the future. —WilliamLewis

2010-03-14 11:43:59   Hello, and thank you for the link. I will have to figure out how to properly use the site after finals are over :-) Happy Pi Day! —Myself

2010-03-14 21:05:12   Hey, I can't find the Enterprise article. Do they now say that a taser was actually fired? They said early on that one was used in drive stun mode (like a cattle prod, different than firing one to incapacitate). Normally it wouldn't matter, but there's been so much swirling uncertainty, it would be good to make the specifics clear. —JabberWokky

2010-03-14 22:45:32   Okay, so far it seems fair to note at least three points: the stated reason for CHP's internal disconnect, the differences between uses of a taser and the delay in the correction until after the media coverage. (I assume William is reading this as well, and will chime in. He seems to have clarified the second point already). —JabberWokky

2010-03-17 15:52:45   Haha oops... thanks for catching that misplaced period. —TomGarberson

2010-03-18 14:38:33   You are probably right — I read your comment in the waiting room after I filled out the forms. Sarah has seen both dentists at the practice I went to and thinks the negative reviews are for the other dentist. As it was, the recommendations were so basic and so few problems found, it didn't much matter. Thanks for referencing your note, however. —JabberWokky

2010-03-19 09:08:12   Thank you Professor! —BruceHansen

2010-03-19 21:19:16   They ignored it and edited. I actually blanked the page in an effort to get through to them. I'm mulling options, but the notice wasn't doing any good. —JabberWokky

2010-03-19 21:20:09   (If you have an idea, kick it to the /Talk page, as it's a periodic problem, and a good solution would be nice!) —JabberWokky

2010-03-19 21:35:15   It seems like a fairly extreme solution. Plus, when I blanked the Real Computers entry after an edit war with no good resolution, I wound up thinking that it was a bad idea — although that was in conjunction with a lock, which is a fairly different situation. I'd be okay with trying a "replace abused entry with a notice to communicate" to move things toward breaking a problem edit cycle. Personally I think getting working communication started is worth blanking a single entry for awhile (with a couple exceptions). —JabberWokky

2010-03-19 23:04:36  

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2010-03-20 14:14:21   Really great work on all the senior stuff, CP! Thanks for doing all of that —TomGarberson

2010-03-23 10:40:29   I do not think that I took up either side on the woman's story, I just merely pointed out that too many people these days attempt to use a difficult life as an excuse for bad behavior. —hankim

2010-03-23 10:49:18   Interesting how you got frustrated over the condemnation while I got annoyed enough to respond about people being the opposite (I guess excusatory?). =P —hankim

2010-03-23 10:51:27   It is difficult to think positive things about people taking advantage of the compassion of others. —hankim

2010-03-23 10:55:27   I know, I was just excusing people's negative views of the woman or girl =P —hankim

2010-03-23 18:51:11   I personally like it the way it is. I think it will be fine as long as people do not throw too much oil onto the slope. —hankim

2010-03-24 02:50:09   As fun as it is to bash politics, when it turns into serious mudslinging, I always remember Heinlein's bit of dialog from Podkayne of Mars, where her uncle agrees with her that it is stupid that she is locked into shopping only at the high priced port shops, but objects to her dismissing politics itself as stupid. He tells her: "Think about it. Politics is just the name for how we get things done... without fighting. We dicker and compromise and everyone thinks he has received a raw deal, but somehow after a tedious amount of talk we come up with some jury-rigged way to do it without getting anybody's head bashed in. That's Politics. The only other way to settle a dispute is by bashing a few heads in... and thats what happens when one side or both sides is no longer willing to dicker. That's why politics is good even when it's bad... because the only other alternative is force — and somebody gets hurt."

Politics may well be a con game, but it's a con game that often distracts people from wanting to arm their younger men and go fix that problem over there, either inside or outside their tribe. Perhaps human beings have evolved the best con of all — people (nearly) always talking each other out of throwing a punch.

Or maybe it's just early in the morning and the coffee hasn't yet killed my groggy philosophy side. —JabberWokky

2010-03-24 13:07:25   I know that we do not see eye to eye, but I believed that your comment on Jabberwokky's page contained inaccurate comments that generalized Republicans and kept out anything about Democrats doing exactly the same thing so a little balancing was required. —hankim

2010-03-24 20:02:52   Quite correct... I am assuming there is a different form, which makes me wonder about the dorms. Thanks for clarifying the statement (it's actually a nice feature of doing unsigned "conversations", that people can fix both sides to eliminate confusion and make a more readable end product). —JabberWokky

2010-03-25 13:05:06   Hola! What's the procedure for getting the Feature Page changed? I really want to shine the spotlight on the Google Fiber stuff since tomorrow is the deadline... —KemblePope

2010-03-25 13:46:03   little help? can't figure out why the old image is still coming up... my new google fiber logo image appears in the file directory... odd. —KemblePope

2010-03-25 13:58:58   ok, thanks. more help? now i'm still seeing the old language on the front page, and my new language on the featured page... —KemblePope

2010-03-25 14:23:46   thanks for your help. gotta say, that was exhilarating in an "all eyes on you" kind of way. —KemblePope

2010-03-25 15:11:40   Better now, all around? I want to keep the featured page there. Can explain more - do you have an email address? —PhilipNeustrom

2010-03-26 17:59:20   "Doodie!" —JabberWokky

2010-04-02 00:06:46   Thanks. I just rolled with the stuff everybody else was doing. I think it was IDNE who made the logo (although I added the text at the bottom because people often miss the point and just assume the wiki is supposed to have a red logo and dark background). —JabberWokky

2010-04-02 00:10:03   I did the original back page too. It was supposed to be what you saw as you left Davis, but people interpreted "last" as the *final* page on the Wiki, so it kind of changed direction from there. :-) —IDoNotExist

2010-04-05 15:45:25   I was just thinking that. Change it into a short "quick and dirty" guide to the things people want to do quickly with a link to "getting more involved in editing". Quick and dirty would cover (preferably with screenshots): editing an entry, adding a photo and creating a new entry. Possibly show linking, although I'm iffy for the simple reason that you need to really get to know the structure of the wiki to know where to link things2. Everything else goes into getting more involved in editing. There should probably also be a cross link to the Welcome to the Wiki, which are more social overview than a practical editing "how to" guide. —JabberWokky

2010-04-05 19:03:46   So how is life as a prof, now that you've been around for 3 years or so? —IDoNotExist

2010-04-07 21:21:00   I didn't see that you moved the outside link for the Stone Villa Hotel Davis to the "Reservations" slot. However, the additional link may help provide info for editing. —BruceHansen

2010-04-13 15:46:37   Both the iPad and the Kindle are good ebook readers. If you plan to only read e-books with your device, you may prefer the Kindle because of its longer battery life and lighter weight. If you want to use the device for more than that, the iPad is way better. You can read kindle books on the iPad, along with epub standard books and other formats.

You may also want to spend a few hours staring at each one whilst reading. The Kindle's screen is probably better for reading books, but won't work without external illumination. The iPad's display is more like reading on a very nice monitor.

They have a bunch of iPads that you can play with at the UCD Bookstore computer shop. —IDoNotExist

2010-04-13 20:48:12   It might be cool to keep it as the Back Page, and then just point to it from the April Fool's page... —IDoNotExist

2010-04-13 22:31:08   You have not tried Beach hut Deli? That place is awesome. If you want something particularly tasty get the Drakester. It is turkey with cream cheese and ortega chilies. It is like a jalapeno popper sandwich. If you want the best deal, get the surfin bird combo, it is a huge turkey sandwich (with avacado and bacon), bag of chips, and a beer (or soda). The sandwiches are so so good, do yourself a favor and try their sandwiches. —DagonJones

2010-04-14 18:41:54   Thanks for reaching out to me, CP. I think that if anybody really takes the time to analyze what is described on my user page, they will see what I've been going on about. I guess maybe "delete" means a lot more to me than a typical person, especially in terms of how I'm trying to assert my beliefs into a community setting. And yes, I do generally disagree with an acutely specific sense of "purpose" as you have sensed. I just think that maybe not everybody knows the rules, and actually, if Daniel was the one who created the original non-real-name account that created the page, he may not have been fully aware of the rules. Also, he may have actually been trying to OBEY the rules later on by creating a specific page that references him. I just think it's a shame to delete hours worth of work on a technicality, and also because it is representative of a human being and how someone wanted to express his beliefs.. —ScottMeehleib

2010-04-14 20:32:41   I really appreciate your defense of my right to an opinion. It really gives me a strong peace of mind to hear somebody who at least understands where I come from, even thought you disagree with me. Thanks again; it really turned my day around. :) —ScottMeehleib

2010-04-16 17:06:56   I just hit Recent Changes and there was one note. Under Arboretum, it showed you "moving watertower", and I had an image of you out there with a shovel and a determined look. —JabberWokky

2010-04-22 16:41:14   Thank you. —hankim

2010-04-22 16:44:15   Actually I did attempt to contact the original editor but never got a reply so I figured getting the ball rolling would be more effective. —hankim

2010-04-22 16:46:02   The stuff that I deleted was added in by someone else though. —hankim

2010-04-22 16:52:21   The majority of what I had a problem with on the page was made by another user, whom I contacted. Anyway, I think the page looks a lot cleaner now. —hankim

2010-04-22 17:19:19   Did I do something wrong? I deleted what I felt did not need to be on there (after attempting to contact an editor who made a large number of changes on the page) and then other editors came in and we discussed what to do then did some more editing. That is the whole point of a Wiki if I am not mistaken? —hankim

2010-04-22 17:43:54   Maybe you would prefer such a discussion before, but the other times I have made large edits to a page (for example CalPIRG) I have attempted to discuss it and the general consensus from the discussions was that I should edit what I think needs editing and if other editors disagree with my edits, then we will talk it out. Yes, I might have deleted some of your additions, but it only took a few clicks to undo that and we discussed the edits and there was no edit war. No huge disaster arose from this like you seem to believe. —hankim

2010-04-22 17:52:28   There's editing, and then there is deleting a huge portion of text in order to completely change the meaning of a page. In my view, that's not how members of a community should behave. But I am repeating myself now. You seem determined to defend your actions and deny your motivations, so I see no point in discussing it further. As usual, we reach an impasse. —CovertProfessor

2010-04-24 10:36:46   Morning CP. I'm supposed to be writing my training grant applications, and before starting I've already hit my head against the wall. I have no skills or experience in writing, much less academic/scientific papers. Any advice to make the whole ordeal easier? My PI wants a draft by the months end, and I know we'll be editing it back and forth, but I don't want my first draft to make me look ridiculous in his eyes. —EdWins

2010-04-26 09:30:42   By virtue of correlation equaling causation, I blame you for the server having problems. Every time you complain, there's an issue. —JabberWokky

2010-05-02 01:44:20   Thank you! —IDoNotExist

2010-05-02 14:11:27   Ah, thanks CP, I had missed it. These are NIH and NIGMS (general medical sciences) funded, but they're allocated and managed within similar on-campus departments, each with a small committee deciding. I've got to be extremely specific scientifically, and extremely concise. That's something I suck at! Apparently competition is a bit high (either from 5:1 to 15:1 applicants per slot available depending on which grant), and they might hold interviews in which they question experimental approaches. Part of my frustration is my PI wants me to apply to one that, in my opinion, we're not eligible for. He thinks it's a matter of "tweaking" our main application into an alternate, but I think it really means re-writing and "doing" entirely different experiments. Doh! Me don't need no stinkin' practish with the writings... my goal was always to piggyback off colleagues! heheheh. Actually, I'm trying to break it down as much as possible. Make an outline. Make an extended outline. Add experimental details. Make notes on the "why this is neat" type stuff. Reformulate as needed...flesh it out piece by piece. It's painful, but I've still got over a month, so I'm optimistic I can do it. Hopefully over-time I'll learn to cut out a few of the baby steps. Besides, I neeeeeeeeeed a training grant, not for my resume or personal sense of accomplishment...or to save my PI money.... but because I want them to buy me a computer upgrade >:] —EdWins

2010-05-04 20:26:37   I am in Boston, and just got back from a really good bar that pairs food to beer, rather than the other way around (did you know you can use eggplant and sage leaves as a breading for fried mozzarella triangles? It's like a crispy/soft explosion with warm lingering echos of eggplant and herbs). Right now I'm pretty sure I'm pronouncing it EXACTLY right. I'll probably think otherwise in a bit, but there it will sit, a happy link that will confuse many and amuse some. I seldom imbibe, but we've found four incredible pubs in the three days we've been here. An eight hour drive tomorrow, but hey... I *finally* got the wifi working on my laptop. —JabberWokky

2010-05-06 11:28:23   There's some technically easy solutions, but honestly I'm a little reluctant to participate in the discussion right now... —IDoNotExist

2010-05-10 10:37:11   A variant, yes. With specific limits to keep the ideal of an open wiki. The idea is to make the system tools like Recent Changes and the Info tab have information, but the actual content itself be subject to equal participation by all. Not even "separate but equal" participation for people who only add a couple things to the wiki (and whose additions would be forever automatically flagged if it appears on the content side of things). Somebody proposed something very similar in one of the discussions already under "leave it alone, but maybe new anti-spam tools", which is another way of presenting a similar end result. —JabberWokky

2010-05-10 15:16:31   Ah, there is also "Flag new edits" by altering the color of the signature. —JabberWokky

2010-05-10 16:14:56   Number six with a clarified boundary. I know there was a proposal under the new set of entries that flagged on the content. You are correct: I may have accidentally altered six rather than made it more specific. I've been on the phone all day and am under an hour or two worth of work that I need to push through. I lack the time right this moment to read through everything again and figure out the best fix without losing options. I seem to have bungled the options a bit, and am leery of "fixing it" quickly and making it worse. I'll look it over in a couple hours, and feel free to change them. Quick thought, however: using autonumbering on a poll is dangerous, as somebody inserting something renumbers everything. —JabberWokky

2010-05-10 16:17:34   In short: no time right now, feel free to fix, when I have time, I'll reply and act more intelligently. Suffering right now from the constraints of a much interrupted work day, which probably contributed to the problem to begin with! —JabberWokky

2010-05-12 07:58:55   Thanks CP! It's a lot of fun. Cool people, interesting work, and a wide variety of cases. And it certainly never hurts to have a little income, rather than living on the wife's student loans... —TomGarberson

2010-05-12 15:07:54   It was just intended to be a fun joke, I my intent was not to make anyone upset. I always thought the unabomber sketch was funny because it looks like it could be anyone with sunglasses and a hoodie. If the page upsets you I am happy to delete it. —DagonJones

2010-05-12 15:12:18   good point. how about J.R. Bob Dobbs? —DagonJones

2010-05-12 15:13:06   I chucked the Bob Dobbs image up to try to balance it. The title actually disturbs me more than the implication of the photo (then again, the Unibomber photo has become fodder for t-shirts, somewhat diminishing the impact). I was assuming there was more context coming at some point... and I doubt any harm was intended, given it was Dagon. —JabberWokky

2010-05-12 15:17:22   I am sure everyone here has wondered who you are, I thought it would be fun to start a discussion about it.

2010-05-12 15:18:16   Although the first thing I thought of was [WWW]Who is the Doctor by Pertwee. We blasted that while cruising along the beach when I was younger. Got some really amusing looks. That and the Brandenburg Concertos. —JabberWokky

2010-05-12 15:21:19   Yup. The potential for creating a guessing game was what I disliked about the title. You have anonymity for clearly stated practical reasons, not as a challenge. —JabberWokky

2010-05-12 15:23:31   I understand completely, I was ready to delete it if need be. I understand and respect your desire for anonymity. —DagonJones

2010-05-12 15:24:36   Yes, but it's red and right near where you can get some pretty good tea... and an amazingly long journey to use a bathroom. —JabberWokky

2010-05-12 15:27:38   I was actually concerned about your reaction when I created the page. Thats why I put the "not to piss anyone off" disclaimer. The idea is better left for dinner conversations than a discussion on the wiki. —DagonJones

2010-05-12 15:31:37   Cultive is now, and has been for a while, self-serve. They also seem to have improved their topping choices (if you're into toppings) so I suggest giving them a second try. —TR

2010-05-12 15:32:06   Sorry about all that. —DagonJones

2010-05-12 16:02:31   Perhaps CovertProfessor = Sparticus: [WWW] ?

(I'm CovertProfessor!) —IDoNotExist

2010-05-12 20:40:29   The Doctor? Are you a Time Lord? —IDoNotExist

2010-05-12 23:46:30   Doctor Professor! —IDoNotExist

2010-05-13 09:48:53   I don't think they can see it. Skype (or some plugin) is "helpfully" inserting that. —JabberWokky

2010-05-13 10:07:24   Google has a similar plugin for Chrome and their Google Voice service. The first version had a couple similar quirks, but they quickly updated it. They try to link phone numbers so you can click them to dial on your computer. Of course, I'm *still* waiting for Sarah and my Google Voice applications to be approved, so I turned it off after awhile, but that's a different issue. —JabberWokky

2010-05-13 10:12:30   I think you should put that Dobbs picture on your user page, good for a laugh. —DagonJones

2010-05-13 10:59:39   Wow. You look so familiar! Your face is much rounder than I had imagined... —IDoNotExist

2010-05-13 13:26:03   great picture! —DagonJones

2010-05-13 16:01:00   So you don't rock the tam? —WilliamLewis

2010-05-13 20:37:46   (Re: “Dr.” versus “Prof.”) I took a class with Dr. Michael Whiting last year, who, about two weeks into the quarter, gently informed us that we should address him as “Dr. Whiting” or “Mike” instead of “Prof. Whiting” (which a few people have, apparently) because he was just a lecturer as opposed to an adjunct/associate/tenured professor. It wasn’t that he objected to the misnomer, but that he did not want his tenured colleagues to think that he was the one requesting to be addressed as such and the workplace drama misunderstandings that could potentially follow.

That said, I’ve always liked how the University of Virginia handles the matter: Professors are traditionally addressed as “Mr.” or “Ms.” instead of “Doctor” (although medical doctors are the exception and are called “Doctor”) in deference to Thomas Jefferson’s desire to have an equality of ideas, discriminated by merit and unburdened by title. (from [WWW]the other wiki) —EBT

2010-05-14 00:04:55   Your [adjective] and [adjective] [noun] is off putting. What sort of [animal] [bodily function] doesn't even let it be known who they are when they sit in a [container] of others. It's a long way to [verb] from the top of that [object] you've put yourself [preposition]. —CrystalWalker

2010-05-14 08:55:55   Taking proverbial arrows in the back, eh? —JabberWokky

2010-05-14 14:20:27   My preference is for reasoned consideration of each individual case. Pretty much in all things. In the case of anonymity, it is weighing the issue of the harm that anonymity causes (a fractured community and lack of empathy and personal connection to each other and the project) against the practical considerations of the individual. You have a real reason to be anonymous, clearly explained and have an honest and open effort to be a part of the community and forge interpersonal relationships within a thoughtful boundary. You counter the negatives through your actions. Again, it's not anonymity that is really the issue... it's accountability and community. Anonymity simply is a common trait of editor accounts that cause many of the problems on the wiki. Many are created with a singular purpose in mind (e.g.: Trash that apartment that screwed me! Slam that waiter that I didn't like! Promote my business!). Others are created with the idea of acting like an ass to garner respect (as occurs in some online communities where a snarky wit is celebrated over communication). It's a tough issue, but confusing the indicator (anonymity) with the actual problems (lack of accountability, empathy, and community) is not something I intend to do. I'm perfectly happy with anonymity without the other issues. The problem is that when you're talking to somebody who has been on the wiki for a day or two, it's typical to simplify things. Thus you tell somebody, "you shouldn't remove comments, that's not how we do things here", but experienced wiki editors know that there are times in which removing comments is okay. It the same way it is a convenient simplification to say anonymity is bad. What I actually try to do is discourage a lack of accountability and encourage a feeling of commitment as a member of the community, thus forging social empathy to each other. When an editor with revert rights just doesn't give a damn about anybody else... well... we know what happens then. It is very difficult (and somewhat unfair) to dump all of that on a new editor who has just created the account IHatePlutos and expect them to understand the ramifications of their actions. It's even more tough to get into the subtle issues that a name like InvisibleNinja causes in a cooperative editing setting when you're trying to actually discuss issues as peers. I think the move toward referring to the issue as one of "identity" is an effort to find a better way to present the complex situation in an easy to digest manner.

In short, you are accountable, engage in a social give and take with other people, are not editing for a single cause and you're not using a business name for many different people to edit behind (i.e., you are personally accountable). I have zero issues with you using "CovertProfessor" and keeping the name you use on the streets hidden, much like AlphaDog or EdWins. The issue of anonymity is simply that it makes it more difficult to do those things, something that I would guess you would agree with in certain cases where anonymity has made things awkward or limited certain options. You are oft cited as a sterling example of how being anonymous does not have to be a negative, something that I agree wholeheartedly with. In my humble opinion (and you shouldn't need it), I say keep editing — you are a valuable, respected and well liked contributor here. —JabberWokky

2010-05-14 14:37:54   By the way, I hope that the above starts to explain my take on things. It is a complex issue, and like most complex issues, it lends itself to one-sided simplistic positions. I think the discussion can and should be at a higher level than that when it is between people who have experienced the multiple dynamics in play. That was the point I was trying to make on the one entry when I wound up having to protest that I was not advocating a strict RealNames policy. —JabberWokky

2010-05-14 17:24:29   I always try to answer obnoxiousness with kindness at least a couple times. I will ignore the most obvious and likely scenario and reach out as if I missed the negative aspects of what they did. If they are well meaning but stumbled with their first edits, it helps them out by establishing communication. If they are nasty and/or confrontational, it gives them a way out, and by not calling them out on what they really did, it allows them to save face. I really don't care about appearing insightful: I'd much rather look kind of dumb or slow and guide things to a situation where somebody can become a positive contributor to the wiki. It also helps if they feel somebody can at least understand some aspect of their position (which is the part that I think caused you to be concerned). None of it is intended to be shady, but rather just an effort at tactful outreach and inclusion for people who had a rather rough start. "Assume the best, even if it makes you look naive" seems to be effective. In my mind it's somewhat similar to "save the patient first". Being quick to forgive is also probably important, as we're all going to make really dumb mistakes and say stupid things eventually. Some people just start out that way. —JabberWokky

2010-05-14 20:42:43   Interesting... It's alright for YOU to edit the comments of others.... Yet you are so quick to judge... No chance you could have been ASSuming the worst???
Human beings are very much like icebergs—we only see a small portion of them, and nothing of the hidden currents which drag them this way and that. I fancy that we would not sit and judge our neighbor so frequently as we do, did we but ponder well over the small amount of data we possess. We perceive only the external act, but nothing of the motive activating it. — Fr. David McAstocker —CrystalWalker

2010-05-14 21:04:54   A comment on your own page... Are you really that self important??

2010-05-14 00:06:07 Your judgmental and self righteous attitude is off putting. What sort of chicken s*** doesn't even let it be known who they are when they sit in judgement of others? It's a long way to fall from the top of that pedestal you've put yourself on. —CrystalWalker


2010-05-14 00:04:55 Your [adjective] and [adjective] [noun] is off putting. What sort of [animal] [bodily function] doesn't even let it be known who they are when they sit in a [container] of others. It's a long way to [verb] from the top of that [object] you've put yourself [preposition]. —CrystalWalker —CrystalWalker

2010-05-14 21:59:05's like they line up to do this one at a time... —IDoNotExist

2010-05-14 22:48:48   Gawd, CP, you're such a jerkface. I hate how you anonymously add the word 'aardvark' to all of my edits. —TomGarberson

2010-05-14 23:06:08   BTW, you're such a crappy [WWW]bad cop! You do a lot of things well around here, but being mean isn't one of them :) —TomGarberson

  • 1Technically speaking, Wait Wait isn't NPR, it's Chicago Public Radio and distributed by Public Radio International, along with This American Life and several others. Some NPR stations fill out their time with classical, folk or jazz, others fill out their time with PRI, or most often a mix of the two. BBC direct — as opposed to BBC World, which is actually PRI in the US — and to a lesser extent Pacific Radio are also common. WUNC and WXEL forever!
  • 2Which is why I kind of dislike long titles like Beauty Salons & Fingertanning Citadels or whatever it is. If I have to look up the name each time I want to link it, it's probably not a good name. Athough I have no ideas of how to improve the situation given the dislike of redirects.
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