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About the CovertProfessor
I try to comment on things from a faculty/community member perspective as I navigate my way through Davis and the campus, although of course my opinions are my own and will differ from other faculty/community members. I am "covert" because I expect to be around here a lot longer than most students, and because I am a relatively private person. I promise not to abuse my anonymity.
A bit more about me: When I'm not teaching or researching or involved in other professor-type activities, I enjoy hiking; walking, especially at the arboretum and the greenbelts; swimming; going to the movies; reading fiction. Of course, I also like to edit the wiki.
After much frustration, I started a page on UCD Email Etiquette. Though of course I can't be responsible for the final form it will take, given the Wiki's group editing process, I do strongly encourage students to read it. On a more positive note, you might also want to check out Q & A for Prospective Academics.
CovertProfessor's Quick Restaurant Picks
Restaurants are listed in order of preference. I've only listed restaurants that I like. If a restaurant is not listed, it usually means I don't like it, but it might just mean that I haven't tried it. See details below.
Best hamburgers: 1. Crepeville (but not Burgers and Brew), 2. Ali Baba
Best pizza: 1. Village Bakery, 2. Symposium, 2. Lamppost Pizza - tie for second
Best Chinese: 1. Davis Noodle City/Red Orchid Restaurant, 2. Wok of Flame
Best Thai: 1. Thai Nakorn, 2. Thai Bistro, 3. Sophia's, 4. Thai Recipes
Best Indian: 1. Raja Indian Cuisine, 2. Kathmandu Kitchen
Best Japanese/Korean: 1. Zen Toro, 2. Davis Oshio Cafe, 3. Manna
Best middle eastern: Ali Baba, Sam's Mediterranean, and Café Méditerranée (Ok, I've just named the three middle eastern restaurants in town... but how can I rank them when I like them for different things?).
Best Mexican: 1. El Mariachi - as far as I know, the only place in town where you can get a burrito with vegetables in it.
Best upscale: Aioli Bodega Espanola, Little Prague, Osteria Fasulo, Seasons, Tucos - These are unranked and in alpha order because I like them equally well.
Best frozen dessert: 1. Davis Creamery, 2. Icekrimski Cafe, 3. Yolo Berry Yogurt
Best dessert: 1. Konditorei - Others are good, such as The Candy House of Davis or Little Prague, but none really hold a candle to Konditorei.
Best café: 1. Cloud Forest Cafe, 2. Delta of Venus
Best place to get fresh fruits and veggies: 1. CSA, 1. FL Strawberries (tie for first), 2. Farmers' Market, 3. Ikedas
Best other: Sunrise Restaurant (Vietnamese), Farmer's Kitchen Cafe (local, organic), Crepeville, The Hotdogger
CovertProfessor's Restaurant Reviews
I like the "cafe" (counter service) side better than the "restaurant" (wait service) side. The entrées on the restaurant side just seem uninspired to me. But the cafe side makes a nice breakfast (good toast!) and is a little less claustrophobic. There are better places to get dessert, however (e.g., Ciocolat or Little Prague).
The Davis Wiki has this restaurant classified as "French," but that seems a bit of a stretch. Other than the crepe, it's hardly French... anyway, I love the "make your own crepe" option here. I start with the basic crepe (cheddar and onion, I believe) and then add: eggplant, spinach, tomato sauce, mushrooms, and artichokes. (I'd love it if this were a regular menu item so I didn't have to ask for all those items!). All dishes seem to come with home-fried potatoes, something that I generally like, but these I'm not crazy about. You can substitute a salad, but you have to pay extra. They do, however, give you a full salad, so it's not totally out of line. I like the fuji salad with the slices of fuji apples and walnuts in it. If you have the crepe I described, plus the salad — boy, you've really consumed a lot of veggies for the day! It's a lot of food, period, so it's nice that take-home boxes are conveniently located by the counter.
Once I tried the eggplant sandwich, with pesto on it (memory may be hazy here). It was greasy, but good. The burgers are good, too. They come with cheese, sauteed onions and mushrooms, mayo, and avocado by default. Again, you can substitute a salad for the potatoes.
The condescending attitude expressed by the owner on the Davis wiki page almost turned me away from this place, but luckily (for me) I decided to give them a try anyway. I have yet to have a bad meal here. Everything I have tried (salad, tamales, rice and veggies, chicken and potatoes, soup, etc.) has been fresh and flavorful. I should emphasize the "flavorful" — food is nicely spiced, so that even an ordinary dish like chicken and potatoes tastes like something special. So, come here if you believe in the mission of the place, but come here even if you just want a good meal. But definitely don't come here unless you've got time to spare; in general, it won't be a quick meal. Think of it as a nice place to have a long chat with friends and have a nice, healthy, tasty meal.
This will sound like an odd comment, but they make a great tuna melt. A great tuna melt is hard to find. Most are soggy or greasy or use dark tuna or put pickles in the tuna.
I don't even like hot dogs very much, but I like everything about this place. I like that I can get an all beef dog. I like that it's a small hole-in-the-wall with lots of character. I like that I have so many mustards to choose from — the Hawaiian pineapple mustard is really good (sweet and savory). I like the potato wedges that are baked instead of fried, and actually have some potato on them. I might actually become a hot dog person!
The first time I tried to go here I walked in and walked out — it was a hot day and the menu just seemed overwhelming. I did take a menu to go, and studied it, so I could be ready for the next time. Most people seem to get salads here — we tried the tri-tip as a meal (get it with the BBQ sauce) and the turkey (it's nice to be able to get real turkey when it's not Thanksgiving). Both were quite good, although the portions of the tri-tip were small. We also tried the sides — there were a couple of nice vegetable sides, although the grilled one was a bit better. The stuffing (for the turkey, of course) was really good. Once we had a "knock-you-on-your-ass" lemon bar; sadly, the next time it only teetered us a bit.
Again, I deviate from the Davis Wiki classification here, which has this under fast food. (I doubt I'll be visiting the other fast-food places, so there is no point). Also, Redrum is definitely not fast. It usually takes about 30 minutes to get your food.
The joint is not particularly well-run. They need to get a new door-closer, too. I can still hear it in my sleep: SLAM
And yet, the burgers are very good. Optimal bun to burger ratio is achieved with the 1/2 lb burger — but that's a lot of burger. There are lots of topping options (lots of burger options, too), but no pineapple, which is too bad. A chocolate shake with malt rounds out the meal nicely. The onion rings were huge and greasy — never again.
We've had one really good entrée there, and one so-so entrée. The steak (hold the foie gras butter — ick!) was excellent, and it came with potatoes au gratin and a vegetable (broccoli, I think). But the breaded and baked chicken my partner ordered was boring. (There was some kind of sauce on it, but again: boring). There was a yummy chocolate dessert — I don't remember the details, but it was one of these chocolate w/chocolate and more chocolate desserts — and it was very good. The summer atmosphere seemed a lot more laid-back and comfortable than the crowded winter scene I remember. Service was attentive. It's a bit upscale from most Davis restaurants, but not super fancy, which is fine with me.
We had a very nice meal here, and true to their word, they were dog-friendly, which is nice to find in an upscale restaurant. :-) Since they change their menu so often, there's probably no point in commenting on specific dishes, so I'll just say that we enjoyed the mix of flavors and the creative menu that tempts you to order too much because so much looks interesting. The location next to the train can be a bit loud at times, although it bothered my partner and my dog more than it bothered me.
Davis's sandwich scene has been looking up lately, though it still isn't quite what it could be.
Beach Hut Deli - haven't tried it yet; hopefully soon.
This cute little café is a welcome addition to Davis's sandwich scene. The grilled paninis all have nice fresh vegetables included, with a choice of ciabatta or focaccia bread. I quite like the ciabatta, which seemed very fresh; haven't tried the focaccia. The smoothies were also quite good. I get the feeling that this place is emphasizing quality over quantity; there aren't a lot of choices, but all the choices are good. Smart move. One weird little annoyance — passing through the doors (even the door to the restroom) sets short beeping alarm.
The food here seems very fresh and healthy, and the sandwiches are all intriguing, the sort of menu where you want to try them all (I'm still working on that). Bread can "make" or "break" a sandwich — this bread definitely falls into the "make" category. It's hearty, fresh, and tasty. Burgers are served on a sourdough roll (and I wasn't sure how I'd like that — but it was good) with enough greens on the burger to make a salad (plus, of course, other options — choice of about 5-6 cheeses, bacons, different types of onion, etc.). I wasn't crazy about the mix of flavors on the avocado sandwich, but that's probably just an issue of my personal taste buds. The curried chicken sandwich was much more up my alley. And you can get a real turkey (not pressed deli turkey) sandwich. Woo hoo! From comments on their wiki page, sounds like they used to have an eggplant sandwich — I wish they'd bring it back (swap out the avocado sandwich??). It's also worth mentioning that everyone here goes out of their way to be extremely friendly and helpful; it's technically counter-service, but it's more like counter-service+.
This is the sort of place that I really want to like — it's cute and independently run. But the hours are too short — it closes way too early — and then when I have made it there for lunch, there's been a massive, slow-moving line. And the sandwiches are fine, but they are not amazing. So, between one thing and another, I rarely go here.
I like the kimchee that you get when you sit down, I like the small, comfortable atmosphere and the prompt, accommodating service, I like the homemade noodles that you can get with every dish instead of rice (or, if you're with two people, get both!), I like the fact that the orange beef isn't crispy fried, I like the Hunan tofu (seems similar to what other places call Ma Po tofu, soft tofu with spicy black bean sauce). My one and only complaint is that there aren't more vegetables available, which is not to say that there aren't plenty of vegetarian dishes (there are). But a vegetable mix in a tasty sauce would be a welcome addition. The vegetable curry comes close (and it's really good — in fact, I've yet to have a bad dish here), but it is mostly potatoes and tofu. What I'm looking for is something with lots of broccoli, carrots, snow peas, etc.
I really want to like this place, but the service is like dying a slow death and a lot of the dishes are overly fried. However, if you choose your dishes carefully and get take-out, you can avoid most of the pain.
I got some nice takeout here — following suggestions on the page, the garlic eggplant and the general's chicken. I wouldn't say it was amazing, but it was quite good. The sauces were tasty, but we'd prefer white meat chicken to the dark that we were provided. And we wondered about the MSG, given the mixed comments on the entry for this restaurant, but I didn't feel the "MSG coma" that I usually get after consuming MSG, so I don't think they do add MSG. We didn't have a problem with the wait; what was a problem was trying to fight the traffic back north into town. Ugh. If you live in South Davis, I can see going here a lot, but otherwise, a place like Davis Noodle City is going to be more of a draw. Or, go for lunch, I guess.
I like this place as much as Davis Noodle City, which is to say, I like it quite a lot. (No surprise, since it's the same owners). In addition to the dim sum and shabu shabu, they have "regular" dishes, which is usually what we order, always with delicious the homemade noodles. It's hard for me to know what to recommend, since I haven't had a bad dish yet.
I walk in the door, and there they are: the specials. Asparagus with black bean sauce (choice of meat), eggplant with szechuan sauce (choice of meat) — why go any further? (I haven't managed to, myself). The ingredients here are high quality and the sauces are tasty. I wish it were downtown, but nothing to be done about that. And I wish they had more tofu/veggie dishes — there is something to be done about that! Hope they do it.
You can tell you're getting the real stuff here. For example, the chocolate peanut butter ice cream has chunks of peanuts in it, and the banana ice cream — a flavor I don't normally like — actually tastes like bananas. There isn't a huge supply of mix-ins, but they have the standard ones; don't overlook the homemade brownies off to the side. Now I just need to save up some calories for a Cow Pie.
The gelato here is really good, and refreshing on a hot day. (So, refreshing just about every day??). Try the sorbet — it's intensely flavored and will knock your socks off. (Which you don't need anyway, since it's so darned hot...)
Cultivé definitely seems like the place for people who are more serious about their yogurt, as compared to Yogurt Shack. That person isn't me, but I can see why some would prefer it. It has more of a "yogurt-y" flavor (a bit more sour) and there is more of an emphasis on healthy toppings — but just as the Shack has a few fruit toppings, Cultivé has a few less-healthy toppings, too (I think there were M & M's?). I tried the "specialty" pomegranate flavor (50 cents extra). Again, I am not ga-ga over frozen yogurt, but it had a nice pomegranate flavor and I vastly preferred it to my partner's green tea flavor, even though I usually love green tea ice cream. I agree with others who say that the toppings are expensive — 80 cents for the first topping, 40 cents for the second, regardless of the size of your cup, and the amount of toppings I received was not a lot for that price. But the raspberries were fresh and quite good, especially considering the time of year.
Ok, I have to say I don't really understand the concept behind this place (and similar places) — you get yogurt, as opposed to ice cream, because it's healthier? less fat? And then you throw a lot of high fat candy on it? Or do some people genuinely prefer frozen yogurt to soft serve ice cream? But even though I can't make sense of it logically, I have to admit it's downright tasty. I tend to go for a yogurt with chocolate in it; black cherry was also good, whereas I couldn't really taste the peanut butter in the peanut butter chocolate. As for toppings, I imagine I'm pretty boring as these things go, but heath bar, brownie, oreos, and coconut make a good combo. $3 gave me a portion that was plenty big enough (easier to achieve if you take the smaller cup — there's definitely a tendency to get more with the larger cup). I saw people walking all over town with cups of this stuff, and so I'm guessing this place will do pretty well. Oh, and if you want to be "virtuous," you can get just the yogurt alone, or yogurt with just fruit.
It seems like the "real" yogurt lovers prefer Cultivé. But I am not a real yogurt lover, and I prefer Yolo Berry. I also prefer being able to include exactly the amount of yogurt I want and exactly amount the toppings I want. Yolo Berry has *lots* of topping choices; more than Yogurt Shack, I think. Otherwise, I'm still undecided which I prefer. One bonus in Yolo Berry's favor is that you have a much nicer place to sit outside than the Shack — hell, you have all of Central Park.
Most (or all?) of the truffles are made with liqueur. That might be a "plus" for some, but I didn't like it — although I will say some of the truffles tasted more like liqueur than others, and as there are a lot of truffles, it might be worth doing some testing... In general I have to say that I prefer See's truffles. However, they did give us some free fudge, and it was really good, so I go back just for that. Try the tri-color (light chocolate, vanilla, dark chocolate) with or without coconut.
Mousse seems to be the specialty of the house. It's a great mousse, not too light, not too heavy, and just the right amount of sweetness and creaminess. There are many mousse desserts here, so if you like mousse at all, this is your place. The 24K "domes" are amazing — a thin layer of cake topped with chocolate mousse and coated with dark chocolate. Cookies are also great — ginger spice with chocolate chips is a particular standout, maybe because it's unusual. The glorious array of delicious-looking cakes demands further research.
If you hit up their table at the Farmers' Market, you will find a delicious fruit crumble (it looks like a small pie). The top (the "crumble") tastes like a cookie.
I've had some good doughnuts here — a jelly doughnut with lemon filling and a buttermilk doughnut. Good flavor, not too greasy, not the best doughnuts I've ever had but pretty darn good. I wish, though, that they made doughnuts throughout the day and stayed open into the evenings, perhaps even 24-hour.
What a lovely place to have a genteel breakfast or lunch (especially on the nice covered patio outside), or skip the meal and go straight to the dessert. It's what they do best in any case, though I do like the quiche — skip the turkey sandwich. For those of you who have only had the Americanized version of a croissant or a danish, you simply have to find out a proper flaky pastry tastes like. It's a whole 'nother creature. But be warned that walking into this café is to be bombarded with one delicacy after another; how to choose when one thing looks better than the next? Take heart, though, one can always return, or splurge on a cake for a special event. Too bad their hours are so few and their location only really convenient for East Davisites.
See review for Little Prague on this page, whose extensive dessert menu deserves special mention.
The baked goods here are quite yummy (hearty, tasty, down-to-earth but not boring), e.g., lemon bars, morning bread, oatmeal-apricot cookies...
Generally, I don't shop much here because of the high prices, with the exception of a few items that I can't get anywhere else. But the bakery items are hard to resist... especially chocolate chip cookies, lemon bars, and éclairs...
Addendum: I agree with others that this place has gone downhill in a very short amount of time. Every time you go in there, the staff seems to be brand new and thus very slow at doing even the simplest tasks. Usually this is a sign of poor management or underpaid workers... can't say whether that is true in this case, but I do wonder. And often you go in to find a very limited selection of items. I hope they turn things around, because when they're "on" they can make delightful desserts.
This is a Spanish restaurant. Two things I really enjoyed here were: the wide array of vegetarian tapas, especially some little cheesy puffs and the grilled vegetables, and the vegetable paella (which is not something that you see often). The paella is for two, but if you go with a bunch of people you can split a bunch of tapas as well as a paella, and have a nice, varied meal.
This is an Italian restaurant. The menu looks very promising here, with lots of choices. But I found myself disappointed. The "greens" in the dinner salad are iceberg lettuce (why do people persist in eating it? It has no nutritional value) and I was sorry that I didn't order the dressing on the side, because the lettuce leaves were dripping with the stuff. I thought the red sauce tasted like a jar of Ragu, which is OK if you like Ragu, but I expect better. (Strings' sauce is much better). I will say, though, that the "lasagna" dessert (I don't recall the exact name, but they do refer to it as a lasagna) was really quite good — a brownie with coconut and walnuts, topped with ice cream and whipped cream, big enough for at least two people.
This is a Czech restaurant with a nice, elegant-yet-comfortable interior or the option to eat outside. The food here was on the heavy side, but it was quite tasty. It's a good place to go if you're splurging (on calories, that is — dinner entries range from $15-$20, which is more than we usually spend on dinner, but not outrageous). My partner had the vegetarian casserole, which sounded as though it would be very good (potatoes, tomatoes, creamed spinach, and mushrooms, in an Italian spiced egg casserole—oven baked until a browned cheese crust forms), but in fact was sort of boring. I think it's like going to a fish restaurant and ordering steak — it's just not going to be that good! So, this is perhaps not the place for vegetarian food, although there is a nightly vegetarian special that I can't vouch for. Anyway, I had the beef goulash with czech dumplings, which was just wonderfully hearty and tasty. My friend reported the same about her beef stroganoff, although she was surprised that it came with rice rather than noodles. The restaurant offers an amazing array of tempting desserts. We had the chocolate éclair, which I would get again, except that will be hard when there are so many other tempting things to try...
My review of this restaurant is long overdue, and so I cannot give specifics. Here's the impression that lingers: a relaxed meal on a lovely patio with our dog curled at our feet, slowly working our way through several courses of delectable food, followed by a stroll on the greenbelt. Definitely a place to go for a special occasion or even just a special treat.
Of course, this is not exactly the healthiest of meals, but the portions were quite large (each piece of fish is pretty darn big, and you get a lot of chips, aka fries for us Americans), especially for the price. And it's as good as battered fried fish can be (personally, I prefer my fried fish dipped in breadcrumbs, but what are you gonna do? you take what you can get). I'd like it if the fish were served with lemon, although it is available. The guy behind the counter was very friendly and helpful.
This place gets extra points for dealing gracefully with my large, somewhat disorganized group. They have a nice, tasty marinara, which goes pretty far in my book, because it's "make or break" for so many dishes. The artichoke ravioli were quite good. They need to switch to a "greens" salad, though — they're still serving the old-fashioned no-nutrition-here iceberg lettuce salad.
This is a Greek restaurant. This place was hit or miss for us. Hits: nice atmosphere (the equivalent of "dressy causal," with a mural on the wall), very tasty moussaka (eggplant, beef, and bechamel sauce, layered like a lasagna), pretty good salad (had some iceberg lettuce, but also some greens and other things) with two choices of dressing, feta or vinaigrette (but it was a creamy vinaigrette, if there is such a thing), big warm rolls, reasonable if not amazing service. Misses: spanoko tiropita, which is spinach and feta in a flaky pasty — I usually love this dish, but this was greasy and not very flavorful; dolmas, which are grape leaves stuffed with flavored rice and, in this case, some sort of meat (although I prefer veggie ones — if that was an option, I didn't know about it) — again, just not really to my liking. We'll be back for the moussaka, no doubt, and then try something else...
This restaurant advertises itself as Indian and Nepalese. My partner and I had a lovely dinner here one night awhile back. The food was very good; unfortunately, specifics have been forgotten. As with the one other Nepalese restaurant in our experience, the difference between Indian and Nepalese is subtle, if present at all; it seems to be mainly a difference in the spices used. Oh, but the spices! Definitely worth trying, if you never have. The service was slow, however; definitely the place to go if you're in the mood to linger. Since then, I frequent the stall that the restaurant runs at the Farmers' Market. There is generally a vegetarian combination plate that is very good; typical for the plate would be a spinach dish, a chickpea dish, rice, naan, and pakora.
I've had the lunch buffet here a few times. It's quick. It's convenient to campus. The owner is very friendly and seems to want to go out of his way to make sure you are comfortable and happy. The food was good, but nothing to get excited about.
This restaurant serves Japanese and Korean food. Most of my meals here have been very good (especially the vegetarian items), although one or two were just OK. The miso soup isn't my favorite. Service isn't super-speedy but it's not unreasonable, either, and they are very friendly. The outdoor patio is a nice space — there's an overhang and you're protected from the wind and the street a bit. Overall, I like it quite a bit.
This is a Japanese restaurant. Apparently, everyone goes here for the "all you can eat" sushi? My partner and I went here for an ordinary meal, but was not impressed by the service (which was terrible; dishes were forgotten, and then forgotten again) or the food. One sushi ordered was clearly premade some time ago. The teriyaki sauce was flavorless; meat was low quality. We are unlikely to return.
This is a Japanese restaurant. We went here for the midweek "all you can eat" buffet. (Is it really a buffet if the food isn't laid out on a table?? Never mind, it was all you can eat, for around $13/person). I had been told that this was a great place for veggie sushi; this was true. The veggie dragon and veggie rainbow sushi were delish. However, the wonton soup had a weird flavor and teriyaki chicken didn't have a very good sauce. Apparently, if you want miso soup you have to go on the weekend... maybe next time.
This is a Korean restaurant that also serves Japanese food. The bimimbap in a clay pot was excellent, although next time I wouldn't bother with the beef (there wasn't much of it, and it wasn't great quality), and instead would go for the tofu. The vegetable teryaki makes an excellent light and healthy dish: both tofu and veggies are steamed, not fried. Yum!
We had a very enjoyable meal here. Portions were quite large and the atmosphere was very pleasant. We tried the spicy teriyaki beef over rice, which was a nice change over the usual teriyaki. We also had a vegetable sushi platter; some of the items we liked, and some we didn't, but it was just that some were not to our liking, not that they were prepared poorly. In fact, it was obvious that our dishes were prepared with great care. Next time, we will simply order something else! (I think we would have been better off with the "Vegetarian Delight" sushi, or picking our own sushi, rather than the mixed platter).
Not that I think these two cuisines are the same... but with some of the Davis restaurants offering both, it seems appropriate to group them.
Wonderful laidback hippy atmosphere; nice music, even for an old fart professor. Breakfasts (veggie omelet is outstanding), sandwiches for lunch (the tofu-curry sandwich sounded weird but was deliciously sweet and tangy) and dinner (Carribean food — we tried the jerk chicken and the plum baked chicken — we especially liked the latter). There are so many interesting things on the menu that it's guaranteed we'll be back many times.
Went to the North Davis location, and in short, I doubt I'll go back. First, this was one of those menus with several items slightly different from one another, and you are left to figure out how they are different. (I was looking at the burritos). Not a big deal, but annoying. Second, the place is noisy. Not (necessarily) lots-of-customers-talking noisy, but even without many customers (as there the day I was there), there is a loud hum (some kind of fan?), plus music, plus high ceilings to echo everyone's voices, trying to talk over the other noise. It just wasn't pleasant. Third, the food wasn't bad, but it was mediocre. Really, the salsas were all that I liked; I just kept adding more salsa to my burrito, and thinking, "Why aren't we at El Mariachi?"
Love the veggie burritos here and the wonderful array of salsas in the salsa bar.
The specials!! Oh, the specials! I love the specials, especially the vegetarian one (which is available all the time) and the pomegranate w/chicken one. They are served with rice and yogurt. Since they are specials, they are already prepared and can be served right away, so they make a fantastic "to go" meal. The specials are so good that it is hard for me to order anything else. I tried a dolmas appetizer once, served with a tomato-ey sauce. It was OK. I do like the burgers quite a bit, in part because they are very generous with their mushrooms. I don't like their kabobs or baba ganouj - go to Sam's for the former and Café Méditerranée for the latter.
This place is a bit tucked away, so it's easy to overlook it — every time I go, I vow to go more often. The falafel is crisp and hearty, the baba ganoush is divine, the hummus has just the right proportion of lemon to garlic. I need to explore more of the menu (one way to do that is to order "five sides"), but so far I've not been disappointed.
I think this is a good place to get some nice falafel and hummus in a pita. The chicken kabob in a pita is also very flavorful.
It's Sunday, and you've got a hankerin' for pizza. But Village Bakery is closed. Symposium is closed. What to do?? Lamppost Pizza is a fine alternative. While I wouldn't say it was amazing pizza, the bread was good, the sauce was good (the place where a lot of pizzas fail) and the toppings were fresh. I'd definitely get it again. As a nice bonus, it was prepared quickly.
I've only had this pizza at Picnic In The Park, so maybe it's not fair to judge it, but I was unimpressed. It wasn't bad (you have to work really hard to make bad pizza), but the crust was tasteless.
Symposium makes great pizza — there's no doubt about it. But it's a rich, dense pizza. Sometimes I'm in the mood for that, sometimes not. When I am, it can't be beat. (See review of other food served by Symposium under European restaurants).
Uncle Vito, I grew up with N.Y. pizza. I know N.Y Pizza. N.Y. pizza is a friend of mine. Uncle Vito, you’re no N.Y. pizza.
The pie looked pretty, with veggie toppings fresh and nicely arranged, but it was basically flavorless. The crust was overly floury ("dusty," if you know what I mean), the cheese also had no flavor, and the sauce was only marginally better. Even with red peppers and parmesan cheese, it was still barely edible. There are better places to go in Davis for pizza; if you want a slice to go, head to Village Bakery.
Let's just say that it's very hard to pass anywhere in the general vicinity of this place and not stop in for a quick slice of pizza. Love the vegetable pizza. And now I am starting to think that I prefer the plain (cheese and sauce) pizza — sometimes, nothing hits the spot like the basic food, and VB does it really well. Muffins, etc., are great too.
Ah, Thai food. A well-made Thai sauce is the nectar of gods. Davis is lucky to have so many good Thai restaurants.
This is my least favorite of Davis' Thai restaurants. It's not so bad that I'd never go there, but I dislike it enough that I would never choose to go there, and would only go with someone else who for some perverse reason insisted. The sauces are bland and flavorless. And I find the atmosphere off-putting — they seem to be trying very hard to be hip, but they fail miserably.
This is the easiest of the Thai restaurants to "fall into" for lunch when you're on campus. I almost never go here for dinner, though, in part because my partner doesn't like the peanut sauce (usually one of our favorite things). It is a bit unusual for peanut sauce, I admit, but I kind of like it.
They have quality ingredients that taste good. Try the sweet and sour chicken with mango. (Here's a hint: it's not that deep batter fried stuff with gloppy pink sauce). I also like their curries. Service has been uniformly friendly and consistent. And they get extra points for the nice outdoor patio where you can bring your dog.
It's disconcerting to eat Thai food in an American diner, but Californians should know by now not to judge a restaurant by its appearance. This was really quite a treat. They seem to put a particular emphasis on having a variety of fresh vegetables in their food, a big plus in my book. The fresh rolls had sprouts, carrots, cucumber, and avocado inside (shrimp optional) — an unusual combination, but very good — and the peanut sauce had a nice bite to it. Service was a bit slow at points, but they were extremely friendly and so it was hard to be mad. I hope this place does well. We'll definitely be back to try more dishes.
Consistently tasty. Some of the menu options here lean more towards Chinese, so if you're not sure what you want (or if you have a mixed party that can't make up its mind), it's a good choice. I also like the choice of meat or tofu for many of the dishes, and the sauces are good. Also gets points for the dog-friendly patio.
Good food here, and nice atmosphere. I like the way that they always ask if you want your tofu fried or soft (i.e., steamed); most places you have to remember to ask, and sometimes you get funny looks.
This place looks like hell from the outside. It looks like hell from the inside. Plates often linger on tables long after their diners have left. And yet, the place has a nice "mom and pop" feel, and the food is surprisingly good. And inexpensive. We'll be back.
Out of business
I really like this Afghan restaurant quite a bit. They have an all-you-can-eat lunch buffet and regular dinners. The atmosphere is comfortable, the waitstaff is friendly, and, most importantly, the food is delicious — it is wonderfully spiced and flavorful.
This is a Japanese restaurant that also serves Korean food. My partner and I tried the bimimbap and the beef sukiyaki. I liked these well-enough but the CP's partner thought the beef quality was poor, and the dishes a bit greasy. Not that I disagree with that, but I thought it was worth a second try (the flavors were good) — my partner disagrees — maybe we'll be back there eventually.
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2010-01-04 18:20:48 You aren't the only one. —JasonAller
2010-01-04 22:16:17 Thanks for helping rewrite the page about the hospital. I'm confused though about why the two doctors offices are mentioned as places students shouldn't go in an emergency. Isn't this equally true for anyone at any doctors office? —NickSchmalenberger
2010-01-04 23:11:40 RE: Abella vs. Abba.... it bothers me a lot. I have no affiliation with either business, but I do know bad ethics when I see them. I love small business, and it really irks me when one small business uses not so nice tactics against another. My own personal opinion is that this is what is occurring with the name thing. The Board of Barbering and Cosmetology still has Abella on file in the same location, while Abba's license is new and has the old nail salon address. I would think this is fairly indicative of a new business being established next door rather than what Davis25's edits are suggesting.
I've taken a less direct approach to this issue because I seem to bring all the anonymous users out of the woodwork when I open my mouth! —MichellePalmer
2010-01-06 20:52:01 Thanks CovertProfessor for the corrections to my wiki page (Pilates Flow Fitness). Sincerely, crpike —crpike
2010-01-07 20:42:50 Nicely worded reply to Soon. —JabberWokky
2010-01-08 19:49:16 Oh, I agree they are the same person. Read my comment to email@example.com where I suggest that they close that account and come back with another one. As such maybe the comment they left as Luther could be restored? Yes, they had sockpuppeted under the old account, but maybe Luther was an attempt at a clean slate? —JasonAller
2010-01-08 22:57:59 I agree that the sudden burst of edits raises a lot of suspicion. It does on that page, and on any other where what appears to be a business owner makes a few edits and then suddenly there are a flurry of extremely positive reviews. Keep in mind that some of them may be genuinely independent and honest, but good luck sorting out which are which. I've been feeling pretty disappointed about a lot of the recent Self Interest Single Topic EditoRs (SISTERs), particularly those editing using organizational account names. When you care for the wiki on an ongoing basis it is hard not to have times when your focus is drawn toward the edits of people who are abusing the wiki either out of ignorance, which is fixable, or an inability to see the wiki as anything other than a tool to their own ends, which is not fixable. I guess part of my reason for leaving you the first comment about Luther was that it troubles me to see someone's early edits reverted without a note being left one their user page. Sort of along the lines that if it is worth taking the time to revert, then it is worth taking the time to welcome and attempt to educate. On the other hand I don't do that on the main Wiki Spot hub wiki because there is less community there and the spammers and "people who just don't get what a wiki is for" are much less likely to benefit from the effort of trying to reach out and educate.
The recent use of the term "Wiki Cops" by an upset editor was pretty offensive, and I really liked JabberWokky's response to it. My own reaction is that the use of that term demonstrates a huge lack of understanding about the nature of this wiki. When I'm editing here on Davis Wiki I'm mostly a librarian in that I'm cataloging and fixing links. I also clean up after other editors (as some of them clean up after me), and try to reach out to new editors and point them in the direction of resources that might aide in their becoming successful members of this community that so many of us have worked hard to make possible and positive.
Thank you for all the really good edits you've been making. —JasonAller
2010-01-10 13:21:24 Those are specifically the places that also sell frozen yogurt. I'm actually planning on going back and doing the Ice Cream places in a moment as well. Presumably, if there were a 'frozen yogurt' place that also sold ice cream, I'd add the ice cream cross ref to them. —JabberWokky
2010-01-10 13:29:15 ...and done! —JabberWokky
2010-01-10 18:02:17 They should be (and are) crosslinked in their intros, as they are all related. I think a top level entry for just three categories is a little much, but a ["desserts"] entry and even a triple part list on "date food" (and "kids food") might make sense (I think deserts exists... which is why I'm linking it. If it doesn't, it should (edit: it does, under dessert). Desserts for their own sake fit culturally into a few spheres of activity, like dating, kids and... what else? —JabberWokky
2010-01-10 19:28:50 Now it's my turn to be a bit confused... why did you add frozen yogurt and gelato to Dairy Queen... or gelato to Ben and Jerry's? They only have ice cream and ice cream and yogurt, respectively (as far as I know). —JabberWokky
2010-01-10 20:10:20 Oh, I don't mind either way. When editing the wiki, other ideas of how to do things are always okay... and if you think this kind of linking makes sense, I'll roll with it. If you think my way made more sense (just listing the crosslinks for what they actually offer), I'll zip through and "fix" the entries. Either way is useful, so I'm not terribly concerned. My only tiny reservation is that it seems to imply that the place offers all three. —JabberWokky
2010-01-14 22:49:47 I liked your comment on the Roxie's discussion page, Speaking personally — yes, I want the downtown to thrive and be successful. But please understand that the purpose of the wiki is not to promote any particular business, or even the downtown in general. The purpose is to serve as a resource for the Davis community. Thus, both good and bad comments are retained, text that is too "ad-like" or promotional is removed, and the pages should reflect what is true and accurate. —PhilipNeustrom
2010-01-15 16:16:25 Nice call on 103. —JabberWokky
2010-01-15 21:48:28 Haha, true, true...I was tempted to turn it into a big redirect-loop... —JoePomidor
2010-01-19 09:52:51 Thank you for the catch. I've been up for two days straight, launching a service and working with somebody in Italy, eight hours ahead. I'm taking a nap now. I'ts amzinag that I get thr lettres and order of words in right. —JabberWokky
2010-01-19 10:17:51 Eep! —IDoNotExist
2010-01-19 21:03:21 Things that don't exist often change history... —IDoNotExist
2010-01-19 22:33:25 The eep, however, was in relation to a certain wikichange... —IDoNotExist
2010-01-19 23:38:38 No no. More along the lines of a change in status... —IDoNotExist
2010-01-20 12:48:10 Indeed. Any idea why that occurred? —IDoNotExist
2010-01-20 18:07:21 That was really nicely written. I think you handled the issue of asking them to use their real name well. —JasonAller
2010-01-22 20:56:02 Part of the reason that Wiki Community/Archiving Comments never got an instructions section is that different people use different naming conventions and structures for archives. So far there isn't one way that emerged as the way to write up. I suppose we could write up the options for each step. Do you think if it were written up clearly that we'd see it being abused by archiving any time a negative comment landed on the page followed up by a bunch of suspiciously wonderful comments? —JasonAller
It seems to me that we could just recommend one common and simple way of doing it, and say that variations on that theme have been used. And emphasize that generally people archive only past years, labeled by year — and that archiving recent comments will likely be reverted, especially comments from the current year. And selectively archiving comments will almost definitely be reverted, unless we're all asleep at the switch. —CovertProfessor
2010-01-22 21:46:46 I don't think 'premiere' was meant as an advertising adjective. I googled it and it seems to be a ranking or at least an accurate part of the description of the Wizards of the Coast Premier Store Program. Per their faq stores start at a bronze tier and work their way up based on it seems their engagement and support of in-store game playing and so on. —EdWins
Ah, I didn't actually do my own google — I was relying on William Lewis's. If it's legit, it should be restored — though I see no reason it needs to be in all caps. —CovertProfessor
2010-01-26 20:15:19 Thank you! —IDoNotExist
2010-01-26 23:20:31 RealName != Mohammad, RealName would be MohammadX where x is a variable. I'm sure that Mohammad is his name, I just want a family name as well, odds are good there is more than one in Dtown. —StevenDaubert
2010-01-26 23:29:05 truth
good cleanup btw —StevenDaubert
2010-01-27 21:11:24 It was just my exact irl reaction, and I figured I would share with the rest of the wiki exactly how I felt —StevenDaubert
2010-01-30 21:35:55 Reverting to 132 would give this diff. Why do we need to remove the bit about the owner? Why do we need to keep the "davis location" part? Yeah, once we resolve this, removing the stop macro would be a no brainer. I think this is the edit that is needed (revert to version 147). —WilliamLewis
2010-01-30 22:18:03 I believe that's a good one... and was agreed to earlier, so it is likely to garner quick and simple positions. —JabberWokky
2010-01-30 22:31:20 (And what William said above... reverting to remove obvious bits of info and correction made since then is silly). —JabberWokky
2010-02-03 11:05:28 I did not notice that you had unbolbed the part about 24 hours on the RC page until after I rebolded it, but can you please leave it bold? I think its significant that repairs can be completed so quickly. —RealComputers
2010-02-03 17:50:21 That was "Arlen Theory". The idea is that if you write something badly enough, it will prompt somebody else to write it in a much better way. It also amused me, as I wonder how often the one sentence introductions atop long lists are read. Thus the "*cough*" comment. It was not a very serious edit, and I really should fix it. —JabberWokky
Ha! I like the Arlen Theory. A good motivator. —CovertProfessor
2010-02-04 20:37:53 RE: "Mobility" heading on Templates/Apartment/Temp - you caught me... I'm trying to raise the profile of the all-encompassing term. I've got this idea floating around that our community needs to start thinking about all of our transportation planning holistically. So, I'm suggesting that we merge the Bicycle Advisory Commission, Safety & Parking Commission, Unitrans Advisory Committee and the Americans with Disability Act (ADA) Committee into on single commission: the City of Davis Mobility Commission. KemblePope
2010-02-05 16:32:44 I indulge quite a bit, I love ice cream and cookies -just be sure to brush and floss :) —DagonJones
2010-02-05 19:54:10 I would join you in your productive edits, but I am now stranded by snow at a Burger King (editing by phone). I scraped a foot of snow off the car, and all I could think is "I can't wait to be back in California". Of course, Sarah has promising post doc positions in Boston, so I may really hate the next two winters. Curse her career!! (Of course, Berkeley is still an open potential target). —JabberWokky
2010-02-06 15:29:11 Thank you — for the spaces! —JabberWokky
2010-02-06 18:16:53 Much better; thank you. —DonShor
2010-02-07 17:47:04 I'm sticking with local froyo, too. No Hollywood hot-shot place will take me away from the deliciousness of Yolo Berry :D —ChristyMarsden
2010-02-08 22:35:16 Looks like business as usual at Hometown. People lining up to order at the register and all. Self-serve water. Maybe they'll go full service later. For now, though, it's same old hometown, snazzy new location with more seating.
2010-02-09 08:59:56 Hey, I tried to chop down the Talk page on Real Computers, but was having trouble finding key points on anything remaining. A few people had voiced their view that the discussion should end soon, so I deleted it. In part, I deleted it because I knew the people who still might want to discuss anything (like you) have the knowledge of how to go back and pull your last active thread and restate the specific points that are still being discussed. That last version was a bit all over the map. In short, I wasn't trying to force an end to the conversation, just a cleanup and refocus, but I wasn't certain enough to be sure I'd pick out the relevant points for the people still discussing things, so I'm leaving it to the participants. —JabberWokky
2010-02-09 09:05:33 It makes sense to me. There are a few Talk pages out there with "it would be really time consuming, but a great idea if somebody...". —JabberWokky
2010-02-10 14:08:15 Real world. People who have called your dog/puppy cute? —JabberWokky
Which comment are you referring to? Sorry, a bit busy this afternoon/evening — I missed the edit. Everyone thinks my dog is cute, and for good reason. :-) —CovertProfessor
I just had a flash of inspiration regarding a possible meaning behind the long mysterious: "CovertProfessor's cute count: 8. Apparently, the cute count will be remaining at 8."
Ah, no, but good guess. (Though then the cute count might be 10 bazillion or something). Actually, some people figured it out awhile back, but they deleted their guesses to leave the mystery. :-) —CovertProfessor
2010-02-10 16:07:13 I have been discreetly pointed to the relevant comment, and I am now enlightened. I would not have figured that out at this date. —JabberWokky
Ah, yes, it's a bit of an old joke at this point. I suspect you're sorry it wasn't just left as a mystery. :-)
2010-02-14 22:17:46 Quite the plethora of stealthy people of late... —IDoNotExist
Indeed. Jealous, I guess. —cp
2010-02-16 20:46:32 gratzi —StevenDaubert
2010-02-21 10:56:47 I honestly lost track, as there were a large number of sections on several entries being consolidated, broken out and moved. I had a pattern I was following to make sure everything was carefully kept, but was unable to maintain the pattern due to cross-edits occurring — despite a few pleas to wait until the consolidation was complete. I currently hold a tentative belief that all points were integrated, but there was actual content editing (not just housekeeping edits that moved things around) while I was trying to split and merge, which destroyed the clear trail I was trying to establish. At one point I had a text editor with sorted and grouped blocks that I was adding back to the entries (cutting, so the text file emptied out as the content went back into the wiki). To add to the confusion, at one point there was a server reload, which caused at least one edit to be lost. I'm pretty darn certain I caught that one and placed it back. I wound up just quickly dumping in what I had (so it was at least vaguely in place), adding one point and then declaring that I was abstaining from editing, as someone had to back off to prevent the chaos from multiple editors working at cross purposes. I actually would have backed off much earlier (and just returned after a few hours or a day) rather than pushing forward so aggressively, except that I had actual content that was in mid-move and had already been deleted from the wiki. Those large structural moves, especially when you're splitting or merging content, do poorly when they occur at the same time the content itself is being actively edited. I had thought there was a pretty clear group agreement to make the changes, and did not expect editing to occur (or a server reload!) while I was making them. Part of it is that "foo" is a novice and enthusiastic editor who was a little zealous about very quickly correcting the "mistakes" I was making as I grouped blocks of related content together, much of which duplicated each other in different wordings (as is typical when you merge similar entries and want to have all versions in the new entry's history). If anything was lost, I don't think it was significant or unique, and there is now a (hopefully) more consolidated and useful set of entries to press forward with. The next step I envision as follow up will be to go through and either delete the Talk page or at least cut it way down by eliminating the discussion rendered moot by the changes that were made. I wanted to leave it for a day or two rather than just zeroing it out right after the changes that had been discussed occurred. —JabberWokky
2010-02-21 17:30:45 Thanks for catching those. —JasonAller
2010-02-22 15:13:12 I snorted milk up my nose when I read your "garden variety gnome" comment. I wasn't drinking milk. Should I be worried? —TomGarberson
2010-02-22 15:37:07 Dear Nose Doctor: My nose has two cavities. Do I need to get them filled? If so, do I need a medical professional, or can I just go to a swimming shop? —TomGarberson
2010-02-23 18:36:19 I have met the tommyw fellow at the luxury outhouse when I went in there once, he is a nice guy who seems to really care for his mother. I think he just got a little offended and didnt get the humor, maybe he is a bit overprotective. btw I thought it was pretty funny —DagonJones
2010-02-23 19:18:09 I was thinking the same thing when I read the name! It's like how I always make fun of l'eau de toilette whenever I am at a department store. —hankim
2010-02-23 21:19:00 For what it's worth, I also thought your outreach to tommieW was dead on, and I was totally baffled by the response it generated. —TomGarberson
2010-03-03 12:58:41 Rumors of my existence are *highly* exaggerated, and are most likely a figment of someone's imagination...
Will you be at the meeting tonight? —IDoNotExist
2010-03-03 13:30:29 If I *were* to run into you at some point (not that I would know it was you anyway), I promise not to make you less covert. Of course, since I don't actually exist, this seems unlikely to happen. But it's a strange universe, so one never knows. —IDoNotExist
2010-03-03 16:15:31 Looming deadlines can be solved by weaving grants and papers! —IDoNotExist
2010-03-03 16:15:49 Oh, and thank you :) —IDoNotExist
2010-03-04 08:45:30 Personally, I'm of the same opinion. Right now Jason, Joe and anybody else doing selective reverts are kind of "finding the water level" where those important edits are retained. Most can be discarded as fluff (actually, I think quite a bit of fluff could be pruned from here and there all over the wiki). I think I know who Srendi is, and if so, he's done this a few times before. —JabberWokky
2010-03-05 09:10:59 Just to be clear, I agree with you about the policy points and I agree that we do need to get the administrators on our side (although UCOP is far more vital there than Mrak). My objection is to the actual "protest" that occurred yesterday, not to it's supposed goals. No matter how you frame the objective, what they did was counterproductive. They're only going to alienate administration of all levels, they're going to make the UC and its students look bad in Sacramento and throughout the state (i.e. to the voters), and they're harming thousands of students' education, ostensibly in the name of protecting higher education.
If this were a sane, vandalism-free protest that was rationally related to its goals, I would support it 100%. But just because I agree with the ends doesn't mean I'm going to sit back and ignore the means. —TomGarberson
Tom, I think we're on the same page. —CovertProfessor
2010-03-05 09:33:46 "Again, Don, I know you see yourself as the white-knight of Davis businesses." That's a little disparaging, especially coming from an anonymous Wikian. I do think that businesses in general are treated with suspicion on the Wiki. What I really wonder is why you are so particularly concerned about every single edit that occurs on RC's page. —DonShor
2010-03-05 16:22:19 We have quite a few disagreements as well as quite a few agreements, just wanted to make sure that there were no hard feelings? —hankim
2010-03-06 23:13:14 *whistles innocently* —TomGarberson
2010-03-07 22:18:10 [snicker]]]] —TomGarberson
2010-03-07 22:25:27 <:- —IDoNotExist
2010-03-07 23:52:59 It is rather nice to see a generation protesting on college campuses. Really, it's about time. I was stunned by how little protesting there was in the last decade... —IDoNotExist
2010-03-08 00:01:14 I guess if I look at it as practice in hopes of figuring out how to protest in ways that aren't so counter-productive I can be a bit more optimistic about it. I don't know enough about what goes on between the UCD administration and Sacramento to say much about it, other than that I strongly suspect Oakland has far more influence than does Mrak. If it were local plus Sac and UCOP, that would certainly alleviate one of my concerns. That's still just one among many, though.
It's also probably true that many protests are ruined by just a couple of bad actors. That's something that needs to be taken into account when planning these things, though. If you're going to go that avenue, you don't get a free pass on foreseeable consequences just because your intentions are good. I'm not a fan of negligence any more than I am of shirking personal responsibility. —TomGarberson
The protests *did* include Oakland + Mrak + Sac. It's just that we've only covered the local protests in our wiki page. I suspect you're right that protests need to be planned — perhaps deciding on which routes and actions to take ahead of time. But there's no telling when a crowd might become a mob with a mind of its own. As I said, though, you and I agree on almost everything. I'm mainly reveling in the students taking *any* kind of action. —CovertProfessor
The Oakland protest was City Hall and 880, not, as far as I'm aware, UCOP. Why they went to City Hall in a city that doesn't even host a UC campus when just down the road there was the actual administration for the entire university I couldn't say. And yeah, I'm glad that there was a decent sized group at Sacramento. I guess that does fit the bill somewhat, although I still maintain that it was poorly planned and poorly executed. -tg
2010-03-08 00:04:47 CP, I think it would be awesome if you hung out (read: idled) in the IRC room. Just my two cents. —AlexanderHo
Oh, I would — except I already spend far too much time on this wiki. I fear an even greater time drain if I got onto IRC. —CovertProfessor
2010-03-08 08:37:05 Over the last few years, I think I've almost got a pretty good guess or two of you who might be. You've certainly dropped far more hints than you ever intended to I'm sure! I don't think I would ever have met or seen you as part of my education, so it's based mostly on recollections of friends and colleagues in another discipline, but I think I'd rather not know and keep it a mystery. —ES
Oh, I know I've revealed quite a bit about myself. Certainly anyone who knows me would guess who I am. —CovertProfessor
2010-03-08 16:17:05 The IRC channel... it is calling to you... "CP, getting stuff done is overrated!" —Davis Wiki IRC
Hahaha! I hope so, given the way that today is going! —CovertProfessor
2010-03-09 21:18:08 Incidentally, if this is a pattern, I will trip across an article or video (maybe an audio interview this time?) that lends support to part of your point of view in the next day. I'm kind of surprised All Things Considered didn't have a segment on the protests (not that I heard at any rate, although I don't always actively listen when busy). That would have been a third format. —JabberWokky
Well, if I can't defend my own point of view, then I'm not much of a professor, eh? I understand that you find what you find, and in any case, you have as much right as the rest of us to take a side. I didn't think you were being one-sided. —cp
I wasn't clear: the past couple days I've happened across things for the other participants in the discussion (or had them sent to me), and relayed them to the people whose positions they best seemed to support. I was just speculating that for the pattern to be complete, I'd have to serendipitously find a reference that applies to your positions... and for Jessica's, for that matter. Actually, for Jessica's positions, I could raid some boxes in the basement for some of my personal library. Video to Tom, WSJ link to Han, and then a radio interview for you and a mimeographed typed newsletter for Jessica. Everybody gets supporting "facts"! -jw
Well, if you find something that refocuses discussion on the importance of affordable public education in California, then you've found the right thing. :-) —cp
Like splitting out the causes at the start? :-P I have a feeling in a few weeks, there will be another opportunity for a more sedate and specific growth of information that can be better organized into a cohesive and multi-perspective whole. I actually have some thoughts and questions on the whole subject, but am waiting for things to die down. I also have the common questions that I ask in all these undergrad oriented subjects: how is it affecting grads/post-docs/faculty/administration/facilities/etc? How distinct are the med and law schools in this situation? And so on, all around the elephant. There is a reasonable first focus on the largest group of people, but if the situation for other segments of the university isn't recorded here while it is fresh in people's minds, it will be buried in history, as news media isn't focusing on anything but the situation for undergrads either. I know of at least one person who spent some time talking to the guy who had to clean up the graffiti so that his perspective could be added to the wiki. Desiderata: "Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit." When things are quieter, the calm will reappear, and hopefully their voices can be raised to a visible place amongst all those who have been shouting. -jw
2010-03-10 00:07:49 It was on NPR, although probably just on the news and Wait Wait! —IDoNotExist
All Things Considered, together with Morning Edition, are the NPR news programs. Personally, I fell out of listening to ME when Bob Edwards left. Dang them and their Edwards hating ways!1. —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards
I was referring to the NPR hourly news headlines in this case. Wait Wait is actually produced by both Chicago Public Radio and NPR, and in the US is distributed by NPR. —IDoNotExist
So it is. -jw
2010-03-10 10:22:11 Perhaps there is a difference between what people mean when they use the term 'disrupting'. Missing some classes to ponder the position of education in society is a wonderful thing, especially on a college campus when that form of open thought and dialog should be encouraged. Blocking people from getting to the hospital or jeopardizing somebody's research is a different type of disruption. Going up a level to other protests, I think most people would say that sparking an armed conflict with fatalities is too far. This protest fell somewhere between a clearly good thing (more than peaceful public discussion) and a clearly bad thing (less than serious injury), and I think some of the disagreement is based on what people are envisioning when they hear "disruption is good". The March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom was a disruption, and so was the protest of the Bath School property taxes. One had a quarter million people peaceably assembling and changing history. The other was one guy killing or maiming nearly a hundred kids and educators. "Disruption" as a simple word without clarification is probably a dangerous thing to toss around in a discussion of protests without clarification of the nature of disruption you are referring to, especially when there are people arguing that any amount of disruption for an extended period of time is needed while lauding groups that encouraged open display of firearms during protests and others that fire rockets into populated towns. I am fairly confidant that you are not talking about that level of disruption, but possibly rather something more toward the voluntary peaceable assembly that disrupts by being a visible and vocal icon of an issue and drawing people into altering their normal routine to think and discuss that issue (with "what does it take to be visible?" being answered with a pretty wide spectrum of action). Note that none of this really argues anything other than for a clarification of a word that appears to have radically different connotations to different people in the discussion. (And as a personal postscript, any position that this appears to argue for is purely accidental; I used extreme or distantly related examples to attempt to avoid a particular bias toward any particular set of connotations. My personal beliefs would probably be considered very fringe). —JabberWokky
It seems to me that some event or action is a "disruption" if it prevents or delays some activity, service, access, or anything else that would normally be possible without that event or action. In the case of the stuff here, it becomes "disruptive" if people who do not wish to participate in a protest can not accomplish whatever they need to do as a result. For example, if someone wanted to go to class but could not reach it because of a protest, then the protest is being disruptive. —IDoNotExist
I agree that there are disruptions and Disruptions. It's hard to imagine a protest that wasn't at least somewhat of a disruption, given that there is a crowd of people being very loud. People may have trouble getting around the crowd, or be hampered in doing activities that require quiet. But I agree that there should not be Disruption, putting people's lives in jeopardy (closing I-80 falls in this category) or preventing them from making principled choices such as continuing their lab research. It is always possible, though, that a crowd could inadvertently cause Disruption... but that's true of a concert or a ball game, too. (One reason why I don't like crowds). —cp
I dislike crowds too. We should all get together and protest crowds sometime. —hankim
2010-03-10 13:58:09 Did you see that Tanya Lawrence asked you a question on her page? It's the last comment. —BruceHansen
2010-03-10 23:39:59 I can't find an All About Hair corporation, fictitious name, or anything under the name of Tanya Lawrence. —WilliamLewis
2010-03-10 23:48:08 Sorry, brainfart. But I did get the name correct when I did the searches! —WilliamLewis
2010-03-13 10:39:53 Dear Professor, not having been there, I haven't fully "gronked" on the BW pain. Please relax. I'd like to think that I made an improvement i.e. accuracy without any basic or controversial changes. May improvements float. Thanks for restoring the Downtown link. —BruceHansen
Bruce, if you *really* want to know (or "grok," I think you mean) what happened, the whole protracted exchange can be accessed by starting here and working your way through all of the Talk page edits... all 661 of them. That's not counting all the edits to the page itself and all of the talking that went on on the user pages. It's not that I'm so attached to the current wording as it is that I don't want to see anything set that off again — for example, the new link to the comics page. Feelings are still very raw on all sides. The current wording is good enough and I think it is should stay more or less as it is for awhile. Please consider this as a personal request. —cp
2010-03-13 12:33:22 As a side note, "Premier" is a title, an official designation on Drom's and should be capitalized. Removing the bold and all caps was a good edit, IMO. —JabberWokky
Yeah, I'm fine with "Premier," but not "PREMIER." —cp
2010-03-13 13:57:57 When someone isn't logged in and they see a page with a mailto macro, the email address is displayed as user AT domain DOT tld (as an anti-spam measure). When someone is logged in, the address is displayed as firstname.lastname@example.org and the address is a mailto link. The anti-spam measure thing is pointless these days, as just about any scraper in the world will replace AT with @ and DOT with .
But eh.... the macro could be rewritten to be more useful in the future. —WilliamLewis
2010-03-14 11:43:59 Hello, and thank you for the link. I will have to figure out how to properly use the site after finals are over :-) Happy Pi Day! —Myself
2010-03-14 21:05:12 Hey, I can't find the Enterprise article. Do they now say that a taser was actually fired? They said early on that one was used in drive stun mode (like a cattle prod, different than firing one to incapacitate). Normally it wouldn't matter, but there's been so much swirling uncertainty, it would be good to make the specifics clear. —JabberWokky
2010-03-14 22:45:32 Okay, so far it seems fair to note at least three points: the stated reason for CHP's internal disconnect, the differences between uses of a taser and the delay in the correction until after the media coverage. (I assume William is reading this as well, and will chime in. He seems to have clarified the second point already). —JabberWokky
Agreed, assuming an Oxford comma. —cp
That is an accurate assumption, although the AP style guide is a more accurate description. I have been in the news publishing field for about 14 years, and even if you're not an actual writer the commas and title case eventually permeates your brain. In casual writing (e.g. wiki chatter) my comma use is hideous anyway. Add to that my overuse of semicolons and ellipses and it's amazing I'm not accused of being a bad William Carlos Williams fan who uses random punctuation rather than white space. -jw
You should get that looked at. Failure to do so may result in complications, requiring a semi-colonoscopy, or even leave you commatose. —IDoNotExist
My grammar is far from perfect, but Oxford commas are second nature to me both as a reader and a writer. I had to read your sentence twice to see that it contained three items. Re: semi-colon use, you should read the most recent John Irving novel. :-) —cp
I had thought there might be an interesting story as to why journalists and authors diverged in grammatical standards. Sometimes those kinds of things turn out to be a bar bet or an angry and defiant newspaper owner. This article points out that both forms were in use back to the 1600s, and I know that prior to that the hand scribed texts employed a much wider variety of punctuation, shorthand words and phrases, abbreviations by symbols, &c. I also ran across this article, which I only note because of the dedication at the end of the text. -jw
Yeah, I was actually taught that either was correct — I've just always thought that lists were clearer with the comma. But the first article shows that sometimes the Oxford comma can be ambiguous, too (at which point I'd be rewording the sentence). The dedication in the second article is priceless — thanks. :-) —cp P.S. Now that we've had all of this grammar fun, who wants the honors of editing the protest page?
2010-03-17 15:52:45 Haha oops... thanks for catching that misplaced period. —TomGarberson
2010-03-18 14:38:33 You are probably right — I read your comment in the waiting room after I filled out the forms. Sarah has seen both dentists at the practice I went to and thinks the negative reviews are for the other dentist. As it was, the recommendations were so basic and so few problems found, it didn't much matter. Thanks for referencing your note, however. —JabberWokky
2010-03-19 09:08:12 Thank you Professor! —BruceHansen
2010-03-19 21:19:16 They ignored it and edited. I actually blanked the page in an effort to get through to them. I'm mulling options, but the notice wasn't doing any good. —JabberWokky
2010-03-19 21:20:09 (If you have an idea, kick it to the /Talk page, as it's a periodic problem, and a good solution would be nice!) —JabberWokky
2010-03-19 21:35:15 It seems like a fairly extreme solution. Plus, when I blanked the Real Computers entry after an edit war with no good resolution, I wound up thinking that it was a bad idea — although that was in conjunction with a lock, which is a fairly different situation. I'd be okay with trying a "replace abused entry with a notice to communicate" to move things toward breaking a problem edit cycle. Personally I think getting working communication started is worth blanking a single entry for awhile (with a couple exceptions). —JabberWokky
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2010-03-20 14:14:21 Really great work on all the senior stuff, CP! Thanks for doing all of that —TomGarberson
2010-03-23 10:40:29 I do not think that I took up either side on the woman's story, I just merely pointed out that too many people these days attempt to use a difficult life as an excuse for bad behavior. —hankim
2010-03-23 10:49:18 Interesting how you got frustrated over the condemnation while I got annoyed enough to respond about people being the opposite (I guess excusatory?). =P —hankim
2010-03-23 10:51:27 It is difficult to think positive things about people taking advantage of the compassion of others. —hankim
2010-03-23 10:55:27 I know, I was just excusing people's negative views of the woman or girl =P —hankim
2010-03-23 18:51:11 I personally like it the way it is. I think it will be fine as long as people do not throw too much oil onto the slope. —hankim
2010-03-24 02:50:09 As fun as it is to bash politics, when it turns into serious mudslinging, I always remember Heinlein's bit of dialog from Podkayne of Mars, where her uncle agrees with her that it is stupid that she is locked into shopping only at the high priced port shops, but objects to her dismissing politics itself as stupid. He tells her: "Think about it. Politics is just the name for how we get things done... without fighting. We dicker and compromise and everyone thinks he has received a raw deal, but somehow after a tedious amount of talk we come up with some jury-rigged way to do it without getting anybody's head bashed in. That's Politics. The only other way to settle a dispute is by bashing a few heads in... and thats what happens when one side or both sides is no longer willing to dicker. That's why politics is good even when it's bad... because the only other alternative is force — and somebody gets hurt."
Politics may well be a con game, but it's a con game that often distracts people from wanting to arm their younger men and go fix that problem over there, either inside or outside their tribe. Perhaps human beings have evolved the best con of all — people (nearly) always talking each other out of throwing a punch.
Or maybe it's just early in the morning and the coffee hasn't yet killed my groggy philosophy side. —JabberWokky
2010-03-24 13:07:25 I know that we do not see eye to eye, but I believed that your comment on Jabberwokky's page contained inaccurate comments that generalized Republicans and kept out anything about Democrats doing exactly the same thing so a little balancing was required. —hankim
I just dislike it when people say negative things about someone or something without letting the other side explain themselves. —hankim
I don't see that anyone tried to stop you. I also want to point out that I was responding on jw's page to the comment that he made just above; I was merely explaining the previous edit to which jw refers. I wasn't trying to give a defense of my position concerning Republicans (and certainly I wasn't saying anything about Democrats). And yet apparently, my expression of my opinion, on an another editor's page (not on a more "public" page) was so offensive to you that you felt you had to respond to it. ("Something is wrong on the internet!! I must answer it!!") Don't you think that I have a response to make to yours? The problem is that I have too much to say, not too little. And based on past experience, I am sure that you would have plenty to say in response, and so on. Well, this is a pretty bad forum for debating politics and economics, and I don't have the time for it even if it were. So, one of us has to exercise some self-control and nip the discussion in the bud, and in this case, it was me. —cp
The problem is that I know you have a response to make to mine considering your strong political views and I am highly curious about it. —hankim
Some other time, perhaps. Despite this being "spring break," I unfortunately have some work that needs to get done. —cp
Yep. No rest during furlough days? —hankim
Ha! Conferences, publications, class prep — they don't take furloughs. —cp
2010-03-24 13:27:38 I disagree, but again, do not want to get into a lengthy discussion about it. —CovertProfessor
2010-03-24 20:02:52 Quite correct... I am assuming there is a different form, which makes me wonder about the dorms. Thanks for clarifying the statement (it's actually a nice feature of doing unsigned "conversations", that people can fix both sides to eliminate confusion and make a more readable end product). —JabberWokky
2010-03-25 13:05:06 Hola! What's the procedure for getting the Feature Page changed? I really want to shine the spotlight on the Google Fiber stuff since tomorrow is the deadline... —KemblePope
2010-03-25 13:46:03 little help? can't figure out why the old image is still coming up... my new google fiber logo image appears in the file directory... odd. —KemblePope
2010-03-25 13:58:58 ok, thanks. more help? now i'm still seeing the old language on the front page, and my new language on the featured page... —KemblePope
2010-03-25 14:23:46 thanks for your help. gotta say, that was exhilarating in an "all eyes on you" kind of way. —KemblePope
2010-03-25 15:11:40 Better now, all around? I want to keep the featured page there. Can explain more - do you have an email address? —PhilipNeustrom
2010-03-26 17:59:20 "Doodie!" —JabberWokky
2010-04-02 00:06:46 Thanks. I just rolled with the stuff everybody else was doing. I think it was IDNE who made the logo (although I added the text at the bottom because people often miss the point and just assume the wiki is supposed to have a red logo and dark background). —JabberWokky
2010-04-02 00:10:03 I did the original back page too. It was supposed to be what you saw as you left Davis, but people interpreted "last" as the *final* page on the Wiki, so it kind of changed direction from there. :-) —IDoNotExist
Which pretty much fits, as what you toss out to the community often ends up in a very different form. I had an idea for this year, but I ran into a technical problem. Somebody fixed a (minor) security hole in the last couple years and blocked my idea. Ah, well. -jw
I just had fun mucking with the "front page", and was glad that you started the fun off. —cp
2010-04-05 15:45:25 I was just thinking that. Change it into a short "quick and dirty" guide to the things people want to do quickly with a link to "getting more involved in editing". Quick and dirty would cover (preferably with screenshots): editing an entry, adding a photo and creating a new entry. Possibly show linking, although I'm iffy for the simple reason that you need to really get to know the structure of the wiki to know where to link things2. Everything else goes into getting more involved in editing. There should probably also be a cross link to the Welcome to the Wiki, which are more social overview than a practical editing "how to" guide. —JabberWokky
The quick & dirty guide (see how I snuck that in?) sounds like a good idea. As for redirects, I'm with you. Maybe it's time to revisit the issue. —cp
2010-04-05 19:03:46 So how is life as a prof, now that you've been around for 3 years or so? —IDoNotExist
It's a good gig if you can get it. It gives you the freedom to be perpetually busy at the times of your choosing. —cp
2010-04-07 21:21:00 I didn't see that you moved the outside link for the Stone Villa Hotel Davis to the "Reservations" slot. However, the additional link may help provide info for editing. —BruceHansen
2010-04-13 15:46:37 Both the iPad and the Kindle are good ebook readers. If you plan to only read e-books with your device, you may prefer the Kindle because of its longer battery life and lighter weight. If you want to use the device for more than that, the iPad is way better. You can read kindle books on the iPad, along with epub standard books and other formats.
You may also want to spend a few hours staring at each one whilst reading. The Kindle's screen is probably better for reading books, but won't work without external illumination. The iPad's display is more like reading on a very nice monitor.
They have a bunch of iPads that you can play with at the UCD Bookstore computer shop. —IDoNotExist
Yeah, I am still torn, though you're right, I do need to spend time with each device. I wish the Kindle was on sale in a brick-and-mortar store so I could spend some time with it. I like the idea that the iPad can be more than an e-reader, but as JW and others have pointed out, some of that functionality (e.g, Pages, Numbers, etc.) isn't really all that usable, and there is the extra weight to consider. Then I think the Nook supports more file formats than the Kindle — I am not sure how iPad and the Nook compare in that regard. I don't want to spend a lot of money on formats that turn out to be unsupported in the long run (when e-readers get weeded out). Or, similarly, I don't want to buy e-reader X which relies on format Y only to have it turn out that the largest number of e-books are available in an unsupported format Z. Adding to my confusion/frustration is that a lot of books simply aren't available as e-books now, anywhere (unless you go the illegal route). Oh, and I want whatever format it is to be viewable on my Mac, too, with the ability to annotate. I just don't think any of these e-readers are there yet, though I will be happily corrected if I am wrong. —cp
Oh my. Run. Save yourself. Do not buy a Nook. I played with one for about 40 minutes. It was by far the worst e-reader of the three. It's uncomfortable to hold, balanced in the wrong place, has poor button layout, is slow and unresponsive, and generally doesn't work very well. Other than that, it's great! :-) I think you will be far happier with a Kindle or iPad than a Nook. Or a Sony. —IDoNotExist
Ok, no Nook — check. But Sony's don't play well with Macs, is that right? —cp
Sony's site claims that they do work with Macs. But the Sony readers don't seem nearly as nice as the Kindle. They use e-ink, like the Kindle. But they can't download content wirelessly. They don't have the Kindle's nice keyboard. I really doubt that they have anything like Amazon's selection of books. (Or Apple's!) Although they do have the Wall Street Journal! So you can get a newspaper every day. At least one, that is. Honestly, the Kindle is way better than the Sony. Oh, did I mention Sony's bad habit of removing advertised features from existing products (Playstation 3), or installing malware on the machines of people who buy their stuff? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_CD_copy_protection_scandal Buy at your own risk. —IDoNotExist
Heh... iPad or Kindle... I'm getting the picture. —cp
2010-04-13 20:48:12 It might be cool to keep it as the Back Page, and then just point to it from the April Fool's page... —IDoNotExist
I'm flexible. I just wanted to keep it in some form. —cp
2010-04-13 22:31:08 You have not tried Beach hut Deli? That place is awesome. If you want something particularly tasty get the Drakester. It is turkey with cream cheese and ortega chilies. It is like a jalapeno popper sandwich. If you want the best deal, get the surfin bird combo, it is a huge turkey sandwich (with avacado and bacon), bag of chips, and a beer (or soda). The sandwiches are so so good, do yourself a favor and try their sandwiches. —DagonJones
Actually, I did try them once, and I wasn't that happy with my sandwich, although I no longer remember which one it was. I usually don't review places if I've only been there once, because any restaurant can have a bad day, or you can just order the wrong thing. The Drakester does sound good... maybe I'll make it back there one of these days and try it. —cp
2010-04-14 18:41:54 Thanks for reaching out to me, CP. I think that if anybody really takes the time to analyze what is described on my user page, they will see what I've been going on about. I guess maybe "delete" means a lot more to me than a typical person, especially in terms of how I'm trying to assert my beliefs into a community setting. And yes, I do generally disagree with an acutely specific sense of "purpose" as you have sensed. I just think that maybe not everybody knows the rules, and actually, if Daniel was the one who created the original non-real-name account that created the page, he may not have been fully aware of the rules. Also, he may have actually been trying to OBEY the rules later on by creating a specific page that references him. I just think it's a shame to delete hours worth of work on a technicality, and also because it is representative of a human being and how someone wanted to express his beliefs.. —ScottMeehleib
2010-04-14 20:32:41 I really appreciate your defense of my right to an opinion. It really gives me a strong peace of mind to hear somebody who at least understands where I come from, even thought you disagree with me. Thanks again; it really turned my day around. :) —ScottMeehleib
2010-04-16 17:06:56 I just hit Recent Changes and there was one note. Under Arboretum, it showed you "moving watertower", and I had an image of you out there with a shovel and a determined look. —JabberWokky
Hey, no one said editing a wiki was easy! —cp
Watertower moving is one of the duties of a professor who does not yet have tenure. Of course, that duty is typically assigned to their postdocs, who hand it off to the grad students, who might be fortunate enough to pawn it off to some undergrads who will move the watertower in exchange for a night's supply of pizza. —IDoNotExist
I definitely need to work on my chain of command! —cp
I have no clue about the conversation or edits that gave rise to this thread, but I'm giggling like a school girl reading it. —TomGarberson
2010-04-22 16:41:14 Thank you. —hankim
2010-04-22 16:44:15 Actually I did attempt to contact the original editor but never got a reply so I figured getting the ball rolling would be more effective. —hankim
2010-04-22 16:46:02 The stuff that I deleted was added in by someone else though. —hankim
2010-04-22 16:52:21 The majority of what I had a problem with on the page was made by another user, whom I contacted. Anyway, I think the page looks a lot cleaner now. —hankim
2010-04-22 17:19:19 Did I do something wrong? I deleted what I felt did not need to be on there (after attempting to contact an editor who made a large number of changes on the page) and then other editors came in and we discussed what to do then did some more editing. That is the whole point of a Wiki if I am not mistaken? —hankim
2010-04-22 17:43:54 Maybe you would prefer such a discussion before, but the other times I have made large edits to a page (for example CalPIRG) I have attempted to discuss it and the general consensus from the discussions was that I should edit what I think needs editing and if other editors disagree with my edits, then we will talk it out. Yes, I might have deleted some of your additions, but it only took a few clicks to undo that and we discussed the edits and there was no edit war. No huge disaster arose from this like you seem to believe. —hankim
2010-04-22 17:52:28 There's editing, and then there is deleting a huge portion of text in order to completely change the meaning of a page. In my view, that's not how members of a community should behave. But I am repeating myself now. You seem determined to defend your actions and deny your motivations, so I see no point in discussing it further. As usual, we reach an impasse. —CovertProfessor
The page was about budget cuts and the page did remain about budget cuts. Of course I am determined to defend my actions, because I did them for a reason (which is that I felt that the page needed editing). There would be no point in discussing it any further if I did not feel such a need, but I shall agree to an armistice. —hankim
You're being disingenuous. Of course you intended to change the meaning of the page, not just clean it up. If you are trying to piss my off even further, you are succeeding admirably. I don't object to you wanting your point of view included (that seems to be the difference between you and me) but as I said before, if you wanted your point of view represented there was a far better way to do it. —cp
2010-04-24 10:36:46 Morning CP. I'm supposed to be writing my training grant applications, and before starting I've already hit my head against the wall. I have no skills or experience in writing, much less academic/scientific papers. Any advice to make the whole ordeal easier? My PI wants a draft by the months end, and I know we'll be editing it back and forth, but I don't want my first draft to make me look ridiculous in his eyes. —EdWins
Who is the granting agency? That's step 1 — consider your audience. You'll want to make your research understandable to that audience, which means using fewer technical terms or explaining the technical terms that you do use. They also usually want to hear about the broader implications of your research — sometimes you have to stretch a little with that one. :-) Other than that, explain the research that you plan to undertake and how you plan to go about it, what you expect to find, again, being as clear as possible. Without knowing more about your specific situation, that's about all of the general advice that I have. Feel free to ask more specific questions if you have them. And yeah, grant writing sucks, but you'll definitely need practice in writing about your research! —cp
2010-04-26 09:30:42 By virtue of correlation equaling causation, I blame you for the server having problems. Every time you complain, there's an issue. —JabberWokky
2010-05-02 01:44:20 Thank you! —IDoNotExist
2010-05-02 14:11:27 Ah, thanks CP, I had missed it. These are NIH and NIGMS (general medical sciences) funded, but they're allocated and managed within similar on-campus departments, each with a small committee deciding. I've got to be extremely specific scientifically, and extremely concise. That's something I suck at! Apparently competition is a bit high (either from 5:1 to 15:1 applicants per slot available depending on which grant), and they might hold interviews in which they question experimental approaches. Part of my frustration is my PI wants me to apply to one that, in my opinion, we're not eligible for. He thinks it's a matter of "tweaking" our main application into an alternate, but I think it really means re-writing and "doing" entirely different experiments. Doh! Me don't need no stinkin' practish with the writings... my goal was always to piggyback off colleagues! heheheh. Actually, I'm trying to break it down as much as possible. Make an outline. Make an extended outline. Add experimental details. Make notes on the "why this is neat" type stuff. Reformulate as needed...flesh it out piece by piece. It's painful, but I've still got over a month, so I'm optimistic I can do it. Hopefully over-time I'll learn to cut out a few of the baby steps. Besides, I neeeeeeeeeed a training grant, not for my resume or personal sense of accomplishment...or to save my PI money.... but because I want them to buy me a computer upgrade >:] —EdWins
2010-05-04 20:26:37 I am in Boston, and just got back from a really good bar that pairs food to beer, rather than the other way around (did you know you can use eggplant and sage leaves as a breading for fried mozzarella triangles? It's like a crispy/soft explosion with warm lingering echos of eggplant and herbs). Right now I'm pretty sure I'm pronouncing it EXACTLY right. I'll probably think otherwise in a bit, but there it will sit, a happy link that will confuse many and amuse some. I seldom imbibe, but we've found four incredible pubs in the three days we've been here. An eight hour drive tomorrow, but hey... I *finally* got the wifi working on my laptop. —JabberWokky
2010-05-06 11:28:23 There's some technically easy solutions, but honestly I'm a little reluctant to participate in the discussion right now... —IDoNotExist
2010-05-10 10:37:11 A variant, yes. With specific limits to keep the ideal of an open wiki. The idea is to make the system tools like Recent Changes and the Info tab have information, but the actual content itself be subject to equal participation by all. Not even "separate but equal" participation for people who only add a couple things to the wiki (and whose additions would be forever automatically flagged if it appears on the content side of things). Somebody proposed something very similar in one of the discussions already under "leave it alone, but maybe new anti-spam tools", which is another way of presenting a similar end result. —JabberWokky
2010-05-10 15:16:31 Ah, there is also "Flag new edits" by altering the color of the signature. —JabberWokky
2010-05-10 16:14:56 Number six with a clarified boundary. I know there was a proposal under the new set of entries that flagged on the content. You are correct: I may have accidentally altered six rather than made it more specific. I've been on the phone all day and am under an hour or two worth of work that I need to push through. I lack the time right this moment to read through everything again and figure out the best fix without losing options. I seem to have bungled the options a bit, and am leery of "fixing it" quickly and making it worse. I'll look it over in a couple hours, and feel free to change them. Quick thought, however: using autonumbering on a poll is dangerous, as somebody inserting something renumbers everything. —JabberWokky
2010-05-10 16:17:34 In short: no time right now, feel free to fix, when I have time, I'll reply and act more intelligently. Suffering right now from the constraints of a much interrupted work day, which probably contributed to the problem to begin with! —JabberWokky
2010-05-12 07:58:55 Thanks CP! It's a lot of fun. Cool people, interesting work, and a wide variety of cases. And it certainly never hurts to have a little income, rather than living on the wife's student loans... —TomGarberson
2010-05-12 15:07:54 It was just intended to be a fun joke, I my intent was not to make anyone upset. I always thought the unabomber sketch was funny because it looks like it could be anyone with sunglasses and a hoodie. If the page upsets you I am happy to delete it. —DagonJones
2010-05-12 15:12:18 good point. how about J.R. Bob Dobbs? —DagonJones
2010-05-12 15:13:06 I chucked the Bob Dobbs image up to try to balance it. The title actually disturbs me more than the implication of the photo (then again, the Unibomber photo has become fodder for t-shirts, somewhat diminishing the impact). I was assuming there was more context coming at some point... and I doubt any harm was intended, given it was Dagon. —JabberWokky
2010-05-12 15:17:22 I am sure everyone here has wondered who you are, I thought it would be fun to start a discussion about it.
2010-05-12 15:18:16 Although the first thing I thought of was Who is the Doctor by Pertwee. We blasted that while cruising along the beach when I was younger. Got some really amusing looks. That and the Brandenburg Concertos. —JabberWokky
2010-05-12 15:21:19 Yup. The potential for creating a guessing game was what I disliked about the title. You have anonymity for clearly stated practical reasons, not as a challenge. —JabberWokky
2010-05-12 15:23:31 I understand completely, I was ready to delete it if need be. I understand and respect your desire for anonymity. —DagonJones
2010-05-12 15:24:36 Yes, but it's red and right near where you can get some pretty good tea... and an amazingly long journey to use a bathroom. —JabberWokky
2010-05-12 15:27:38 I was actually concerned about your reaction when I created the page. Thats why I put the "not to piss anyone off" disclaimer. The idea is better left for dinner conversations than a discussion on the wiki. —DagonJones
2010-05-12 15:31:37 Cultive is now, and has been for a while, self-serve. They also seem to have improved their topping choices (if you're into toppings) so I suggest giving them a second try. —TR
2010-05-12 15:32:06 Sorry about all that. —DagonJones
2010-05-12 16:02:31 Perhaps CovertProfessor = Sparticus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOCsNrzlV2k ?
(I'm CovertProfessor!) —IDoNotExist
2010-05-12 20:40:29 The Doctor? Are you a Time Lord? —IDoNotExist
2010-05-12 23:46:30 Doctor Professor! —IDoNotExist
2010-05-13 09:48:53 I don't think they can see it. Skype (or some plugin) is "helpfully" inserting that. —JabberWokky
2010-05-13 10:07:24 Google has a similar plugin for Chrome and their Google Voice service. The first version had a couple similar quirks, but they quickly updated it. They try to link phone numbers so you can click them to dial on your computer. Of course, I'm *still* waiting for Sarah and my Google Voice applications to be approved, so I turned it off after awhile, but that's a different issue. —JabberWokky
2010-05-13 10:12:30 I think you should put that Dobbs picture on your user page, good for a laugh. —DagonJones
2010-05-13 10:59:39 Wow. You look so familiar! Your face is much rounder than I had imagined... —IDoNotExist
2010-05-13 13:26:03 great picture! —DagonJones
2010-05-13 16:01:00 So you don't rock the tam? —WilliamLewis
2010-05-13 20:37:46 (Re: “Dr.” versus “Prof.”) I took a class with Dr. Michael Whiting last year, who, about two weeks into the quarter, gently informed us that we should address him as “Dr. Whiting” or “Mike” instead of “Prof. Whiting” (which a few people have, apparently) because he was just a lecturer as opposed to an adjunct/associate/tenured professor. It wasn’t that he objected to the misnomer, but that he did not want his tenured colleagues to think that he was the one requesting to be addressed as such and the
workplace drama misunderstandings that could potentially follow.
That said, I’ve always liked how the University of Virginia handles the matter: Professors are traditionally addressed as “Mr.” or “Ms.” instead of “Doctor” (although medical doctors are the exception and are called “Doctor”) in deference to Thomas Jefferson’s desire to have an equality of ideas, discriminated by merit and unburdened by title. (from the other wiki) —EBT
While I appreciate Dr. Whiting's fastidiousness, as far as I am concerned, anyone who has sole responsibility for a college class is the professor of that class, whether they are an Assistant Professor, an Associate Professor, a Professor (all tenure track or tenured positions), a Lecturer/Adjunct or even a grad student. You aren't giving someone's title when you call them "Professor So-and-So," (after all, we don't say "Assistant Professor So-and-So"), but rather giving their position or their role ("acting professor," so to speak). On the other hand, someone acting as a professor in a class might not yet have their doctorate, and so "Dr. So-and-So" might not be appropriate. That being said, there are two issues here: One is not to insult your professor. I don't think you can insult somebody by calling them "Professor" or "Dr.", but the other possible names (yes, including Mr./Ms./Mrs.) are potentially insulting. The second issue, of course, is to call your professor what they want to be called once they have expressed a preference. —cp
2010-05-14 00:04:55 Your [adjective] and [adjective] [noun] is off putting. What sort of [animal] [bodily function] doesn't even let it be known who they are when they sit in a [container] of others. It's a long way to [verb] from the top of that [object] you've put yourself [preposition]. —CrystalWalker
Everyone now has the opportunity to help this comment become more friendly. Pick: 2x adjective, 1x noun, 1x animal, 1x bodily function, 1x container, 1x very, 1x object, 1x preposition to fill in the blanks, and post what you come up with! —TomGarberson
Ooh, can I play too? "intelligent," "stylish," "chair," "aardvark," "yawn," "bread box," "shimmy," "cell phone," "around" —cp
Your [colossal] and [magical] [TARDIS] is off putting. What sort of [raccoon] [sternutation] doesn't even let it be known who they are when they sit in a [barrel] of others. It's a long way to [broadcast] from the top of that [submarine] you've put yourself [beyond].
2010-05-14 08:55:55 Taking proverbial arrows in the back, eh? —JabberWokky
2010-05-14 14:20:27 My preference is for reasoned consideration of each individual case. Pretty much in all things. In the case of anonymity, it is weighing the issue of the harm that anonymity causes (a fractured community and lack of empathy and personal connection to each other and the project) against the practical considerations of the individual. You have a real reason to be anonymous, clearly explained and have an honest and open effort to be a part of the community and forge interpersonal relationships within a thoughtful boundary. You counter the negatives through your actions. Again, it's not anonymity that is really the issue... it's accountability and community. Anonymity simply is a common trait of editor accounts that cause many of the problems on the wiki. Many are created with a singular purpose in mind (e.g.: Trash that apartment that screwed me! Slam that waiter that I didn't like! Promote my business!). Others are created with the idea of acting like an ass to garner respect (as occurs in some online communities where a snarky wit is celebrated over communication). It's a tough issue, but confusing the indicator (anonymity) with the actual problems (lack of accountability, empathy, and community) is not something I intend to do. I'm perfectly happy with anonymity without the other issues. The problem is that when you're talking to somebody who has been on the wiki for a day or two, it's typical to simplify things. Thus you tell somebody, "you shouldn't remove comments, that's not how we do things here", but experienced wiki editors know that there are times in which removing comments is okay. It the same way it is a convenient simplification to say anonymity is bad. What I actually try to do is discourage a lack of accountability and encourage a feeling of commitment as a member of the community, thus forging social empathy to each other. When an editor with revert rights just doesn't give a damn about anybody else... well... we know what happens then. It is very difficult (and somewhat unfair) to dump all of that on a new editor who has just created the account IHatePlutos and expect them to understand the ramifications of their actions. It's even more tough to get into the subtle issues that a name like InvisibleNinja causes in a cooperative editing setting when you're trying to actually discuss issues as peers. I think the move toward referring to the issue as one of "identity" is an effort to find a better way to present the complex situation in an easy to digest manner.
In short, you are accountable, engage in a social give and take with other people, are not editing for a single cause and you're not using a business name for many different people to edit behind (i.e., you are personally accountable). I have zero issues with you using "CovertProfessor" and keeping the name you use on the streets hidden, much like AlphaDog or EdWins. The issue of anonymity is simply that it makes it more difficult to do those things, something that I would guess you would agree with in certain cases where anonymity has made things awkward or limited certain options. You are oft cited as a sterling example of how being anonymous does not have to be a negative, something that I agree wholeheartedly with. In my humble opinion (and you shouldn't need it), I say keep editing — you are a valuable, respected and well liked contributor here. —JabberWokky
2010-05-14 14:37:54 By the way, I hope that the above starts to explain my take on things. It is a complex issue, and like most complex issues, it lends itself to one-sided simplistic positions. I think the discussion can and should be at a higher level than that when it is between people who have experienced the multiple dynamics in play. That was the point I was trying to make on the one entry when I wound up having to protest that I was not advocating a strict RealNames policy. —JabberWokky
2010-05-14 17:24:29 I always try to answer obnoxiousness with kindness at least a couple times. I will ignore the most obvious and likely scenario and reach out as if I missed the negative aspects of what they did. If they are well meaning but stumbled with their first edits, it helps them out by establishing communication. If they are nasty and/or confrontational, it gives them a way out, and by not calling them out on what they really did, it allows them to save face. I really don't care about appearing insightful: I'd much rather look kind of dumb or slow and guide things to a situation where somebody can become a positive contributor to the wiki. It also helps if they feel somebody can at least understand some aspect of their position (which is the part that I think caused you to be concerned). None of it is intended to be shady, but rather just an effort at tactful outreach and inclusion for people who had a rather rough start. "Assume the best, even if it makes you look naive" seems to be effective. In my mind it's somewhat similar to "save the patient first". Being quick to forgive is also probably important, as we're all going to make really dumb mistakes and say stupid things eventually. Some people just start out that way. —JabberWokky
2010-05-14 20:42:43 Interesting... It's alright for YOU to edit the comments of others.... Yet you are so quick to judge... No chance you could have been ASSuming the worst???
Human beings are very much like icebergs—we only see a small portion of them, and nothing of the hidden currents which drag them this way and that. I fancy that we would not sit and judge our neighbor so frequently as we do, did we but ponder well over the small amount of data we possess. We perceive only the external act, but nothing of the motive activating it. — Fr. David McAstocker —CrystalWalker
2010-05-14 21:04:54 A comment on your own page... Are you really that self important??
2010-05-14 00:06:07 Your judgmental and self righteous attitude is off putting. What sort of chicken s*** doesn't even let it be known who they are when they sit in judgement of others? It's a long way to fall from the top of that pedestal you've put yourself on. —CrystalWalker
2010-05-14 00:04:55 Your [adjective] and [adjective] [noun] is off putting. What sort of [animal] [bodily function] doesn't even let it be known who they are when they sit in a [container] of others. It's a long way to [verb] from the top of that [object] you've put yourself [preposition]. —CrystalWalker —CrystalWalker
I did not make that change, as you can see here. What were you saying about assumptions?? —CovertProfessor
2010-05-14 21:59:05 Wow...it's like they line up to do this one at a time... —IDoNotExist
2010-05-14 22:48:48 Gawd, CP, you're such a jerkface. I hate how you anonymously add the word 'aardvark' to all of my edits. —TomGarberson
- 1Technically speaking, Wait Wait isn't NPR, it's Chicago Public Radio and distributed by Public Radio International, along with This American Life and several others. Some NPR stations fill out their time with classical, folk or jazz, others fill out their time with PRI, or most often a mix of the two. BBC direct — as opposed to BBC World, which is actually PRI in the US — and to a lesser extent Pacific Radio are also common. WUNC and WXEL forever!
- 2Which is why I kind of dislike long titles like Beauty Salons & Fingertanning Citadels or whatever it is. If I have to look up the name each time I want to link it, it's probably not a good name. Athough I have no ideas of how to improve the situation given the dislike of redirects.