Recent Changes for "Users/DonShor" - Davis Wikihttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShorRecent Changes of the page "Users/DonShor" on Davis Wiki.en-us Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2014-01-16 00:25:14DonShor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 9: </td> <td> Line 9: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Hosts a [http://kdrt.org/node/3978 jazz show] on 95.7 FM ["KDRT"] Tuesdays from 8 - 9 pm, rebroadcasts Saturdays 9 - 10 pm, and via podcast at iTunes (search for KDRT). </td> <td> <span>+</span> Hosts a [http://kdrt.org/node/3978 jazz show] on 95.7 FM ["KDRT"] Tuesdays from 8 - 9 pm, rebroadcasts Saturdays 9 - 10 pm<span>&nbsp;and Mondays 6 - 7 pm</span>, and via podcast at iTunes (search for KDRT). </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2014-01-16 00:24:47DonShor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Writes garden column for ["Davis Enterprise"], which appears the fourth Thursday of each month<span>&nbsp;in the Weekend Section</span>, and which eventually get uploaded to http://redwoodbarn.com/ </td> <td> <span>+</span> Writes garden column for ["Davis Enterprise"], which <span>usually </span>appears the fourth Thursday of each month, and which eventually get uploaded to http://redwoodbarn.com/ </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2014-01-16 00:24:04DonShor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 11: </td> <td> Line 11: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - <br> - Hello Don. You can remove this after reading this. I agree with you on the Duck Days page. The suggestion to take it elsewhere is logical. And I would have done it, by creating a new page, if I didn't find the whole thing so utterly depressing. I don't want/prefer not to discuss killing or not killing ducks and other beautiful birds on a separate page. I can't place myself in the shoes of a duck etc. hunter and I never will or want to. I cannot imagine putting a bullet in an innocent duck who never saw it coming, I'd rather be dead myself. It is one big lie that hunters protect nature. Can you imagine the horror they sow while shooting, under the bird population? The fear, the theft of their (ducks and birds) feeling secure? The grief that one duck feels about the death of his partner or friend? It is beyond any doubt that animals feel, love, fear, etc. just like people do. Nature has a way of taking care of its own, no human rifle is needed or expected. Hunters are foul playing and I will never think otherwise. ["Users/ConstantiaOomen" CO]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2014-01-15 22:06:17ConstantiaOomen <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 13: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Hello Don. You can remove this after reading this. I agree with you on the Duck Days page. The suggestion to take it elsewhere is logical. And I would have done it, by creating a new page, if I didn't find the whole thing so utterly depressing. I don't want/prefer not to discuss killing or not killing ducks and other beautiful birds on a separate page. I can't place myself in the shoes of a duck etc. hunter and I never will or want to. I cannot imagine putting a bullet in an innocent duck who never saw it coming, I'd rather be dead myself. It is one big lie that hunters protect nature. Can you imagine the horror they sow while shooting, under the bird population? The fear, the theft of their (ducks and birds) feeling secure? The grief that one duck feels about the death of his partner or friend? It is beyond any doubt that animals feel love, fear, etc. just like people do. Nature has a way of taking care of its own, no human rifle is needed or expected. Hunters are foul playing and I will never think otherwise. ["Users/ConstantiaOomen" CO] </td> <td> <span>+</span> Hello Don. You can remove this after reading this. I agree with you on the Duck Days page. The suggestion to take it elsewhere is logical. And I would have done it, by creating a new page, if I didn't find the whole thing so utterly depressing. I don't want/prefer not to discuss killing or not killing ducks and other beautiful birds on a separate page. I can't place myself in the shoes of a duck etc. hunter and I never will or want to. I cannot imagine putting a bullet in an innocent duck who never saw it coming, I'd rather be dead myself. It is one big lie that hunters protect nature. Can you imagine the horror they sow while shooting, under the bird population? The fear, the theft of their (ducks and birds) feeling secure? The grief that one duck feels about the death of his partner or friend? It is beyond any doubt that animals feel<span>,</span> love, fear, etc. just like people do. Nature has a way of taking care of its own, no human rifle is needed or expected. Hunters are foul playing and I will never think otherwise. ["Users/ConstantiaOomen" CO] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2014-01-15 22:04:47ConstantiaOomen <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 13: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Hello Don. You can remove this after reading this. I agree with you on the Duck Days page. The suggestion to take it elsewhere is logical. And I would have done it, by creating a new page, if I didn't find the whole thing so utterly depressing. I don't want/prefer not to discuss killing or not killing ducks and other beautiful birds on a separate page. I can't place myself in the shoes of a duck etc. hunter and I never will or want to. I cannot imagine putting a bullet in an innocent duck who never saw it coming, I'd rather be dead myself. It is one big lie that hunters protect nature. Can you imagine the horror they sow while shooting, under the bird population? The fear, the theft of their (ducks and birds) feeling secure? The grief that one duck feels about the death of his partner or friend? It is beyond any doubt that animals feel love, fear, etc. just like people do. Nature has a way of taking care of its own, no human rifle is needed or expected. Hunters are foul playing and I will never think otherwise. </td> <td> <span>+</span> Hello Don. You can remove this after reading this. I agree with you on the Duck Days page. The suggestion to take it elsewhere is logical. And I would have done it, by creating a new page, if I didn't find the whole thing so utterly depressing. I don't want/prefer not to discuss killing or not killing ducks and other beautiful birds on a separate page. I can't place myself in the shoes of a duck etc. hunter and I never will or want to. I cannot imagine putting a bullet in an innocent duck who never saw it coming, I'd rather be dead myself. It is one big lie that hunters protect nature. Can you imagine the horror they sow while shooting, under the bird population? The fear, the theft of their (ducks and birds) feeling secure? The grief that one duck feels about the death of his partner or friend? It is beyond any doubt that animals feel love, fear, etc. just like people do. Nature has a way of taking care of its own, no human rifle is needed or expected. Hunters are foul playing and I will never think otherwise.<span>&nbsp;["Users/ConstantiaOomen" CO]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2014-01-15 22:02:33ConstantiaOomenFor Don <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 11: </td> <td> Line 11: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + <br> + Hello Don. You can remove this after reading this. I agree with you on the Duck Days page. The suggestion to take it elsewhere is logical. And I would have done it, by creating a new page, if I didn't find the whole thing so utterly depressing. I don't want/prefer not to discuss killing or not killing ducks and other beautiful birds on a separate page. I can't place myself in the shoes of a duck etc. hunter and I never will or want to. I cannot imagine putting a bullet in an innocent duck who never saw it coming, I'd rather be dead myself. It is one big lie that hunters protect nature. Can you imagine the horror they sow while shooting, under the bird population? The fear, the theft of their (ducks and birds) feeling secure? The grief that one duck feels about the death of his partner or friend? It is beyond any doubt that animals feel love, fear, etc. just like people do. Nature has a way of taking care of its own, no human rifle is needed or expected. Hunters are foul playing and I will never think otherwise.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2013-11-20 11:52:12DonShor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 11: </td> <td> Line 11: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - I appreciate your comments on [http://davisvanguard.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=5185:occupy-protest-shuts-down-operations-at-monsanto-today-and-tomorrow&amp;Itemid=105 the GMO discussion at the Vanguard]. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]<br> - -------<br> - Very clear and well-stated. I'm going to link to your comments from the Monsanto page in a moment. Maybe the Enterprise would be interested in a version of them as well. I think there are widespread misunderstandings about what Monsanto does, and your posting goes a long way towards correcting them. Thanks. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]<br> - -------<br> - Despite the rather uncouth commentary, ["Sockpuppets"] is the entry about them, while ["Sockpuppet"] is just the image (as it is included on several pages). --["Users/JabberWokky" Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards]<br> - -------<br> - A belated congratulations on your [http://daviswiki.org/1981?action=diff&amp;version2=8&amp;version1=7 "new" business]. For that matter, a belated congratulations on your third decade. Or perhaps it's more appropriate to congratulate you on lasting through over 30 sets of annuals? -jw<br> - -------<br> - I apologize for the callous remarks I made towards you last night. It was wrong for me to say such things, and they don't reflect how I feel about you now, especially after reconsidering the totality of the situation. Although I still disagree that I made a personal attack, I understand the greyness of the matter, and that you, as a moderator, were simply trying to keep things civil and on topic and that your intent was good. If I ever choose to leave a comment on the Vanguard again (assuming I haven't been banned), I will try to adapt my "voice" to the guidelines of the site's comment policy. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> - -------<br> - Thanks Don, I'll have to add some content when I have more free time. Thanks for the mandarin tree and nice flowers, too. I'm trying to get the mandarin to bolt upward a little in its second season here, but some critters keep eating all the new growth. -Alex --["Users/Dr.Baker"]<br> - -------<br> - I can blame myself for not making my commentary on the histrionics more clear. I'm sorry, however, that you inexplicably got lumped into something you didn't participate in. --["Users/JabberWokky" jw]<br> - -----<br> - I probably deserve some of the blame as well -- more of it, actually. I read some of the things you wrote on the Vanguard, was persuaded by them, and incorporated those ideas into the Chamber page. But that is my doing, not yours, and he shouldn't blame you. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]<br> - -----<br> - Don, this is long overdue, but thanks for your advice and recommendation on pruning the persimmon tree at my parents home. (["Garden Questions"] in 2010). I haven't seen the tree for a long time, but on my next visit to my parents I 'll take a picture to document the before/after. I'm hearing it's becoming a "real" tree now. Cheers, -["users/edwins" ES]<br> - -----<br> - Don, where is this list of Downtown retailers that you are comparing the Chamber's membership rolls? Also, does that include service providers that also sell goods like the European Wax Center or Helmus Optometry? --["Users/KemblePope"]<br> - <br> - the person using the LWolk username '''is''' my mother. -scarlett wolk<br> - -----<br> - For the record, I did try to delete the Talk page and move on... unfortunately, that was not to be... --cp<br> - -----<br> - Thx for the comment....you and I seem to agree on this matter. --["Users/PeteB"]<br> - -----<br> - Too much? --tg<br> - -----<br> - Maybe add a second level heading, i.e, {{{== Title for your comments == }}} to your recent addition to the Measure I page? I'm trying to keep things semi-orderly, and adding a heading will make your post appear in the TOC. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]<br> - -----<br> - Good headings, thanks. I think I'd go for Seasons. It's not too noisy/busy, the waitstaff are likely to be patient, and there are a variety of dishes to choose from, reliably good. If I recall, they're also pretty flexible about changes to your order. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]<br> - -----<br> - Sure, it was an interesting mental exercise. Hope you have a good meal! --cp<br> - ----<br> - Thanks for the aphid advice. I will hose them down good in the morning. I've gotten them before but I've never seen them in this kind of abundance. Interesting article too. -- mikey<br> - ----<br> - Thanks. I would like to see more accountability, but it is a tough balancing act to keep the reasoned reviews in place. Personally, I'd like to see a little less support for the vague slams on businesses and histrionic all caps rants (positive or negative). Of course, those are common off the wiki too. They just persist here. I think we have moved well past uniform support for all commentary, regardless of source and content, at this point (which didn't really exist at the outset, so it was a strange phase the wiki went through). -jw<br> - <br> - I got some Lady Bugs from you last week. My timing of their release seemed to coincide with a lot of them naturally emerging from their caccoon things (which happened a few weeks after the aphids arrived as you predicted). So now there's ladybugs everywhere and it's terrific. The aphid population has come under control surprisingly quickly so I imagine the ladybugs will move on in the near future, but hopefully they'll lay a bunch of eggs first. Thanks for you help. Also, I added a pict of what I think is a LeatherWing to the aphids page, but I'm not 100% sure. And do you guys have a full selection of peppers and tomatoes in now? -- mikey<br> - <br> - ----<br> - Hi Don, I run ["Rivers to Reef"] and haven't been able to find a great supplier for pond plants that are healthy. I called up your place and it sounds like you guys have a great selection, so you can expect that I will be sending customers your way in the future. Thanks for agreeing with me in terms of that whole E-Z smog fiasco, but I don't think it's an argument we're going to win. --["Users/jameskrause" James]<br> - ----<br> - For what it's worth, I have always, and still do agree with you that the owners of businesses have less voice on the wiki. I've mentioned this several times, and will still stand by that. I just don't see a good way around it to make sure it is equal voice rather than special consideration. It appears to me to be a combination of people being wary of business owners due to some of them being problematic (which is an unfair association), and in some cases a vague and undefined cultural bias against commercial activity and business owners. Plus the fact that business owners are often great sources of information, but don't have time to spend learning how the wiki works. Heck, before the non-profit status, I used to advocate for actual commerce '''on''' the wiki, as I felt it functioned as a town square. Trying to have equality for business owners on the wiki is a hard -- and in certain ways a very subtle (as it is very ingrained socially both in Davis and on the wiki) -- problem to resolve. --["Users/JabberWokky" jw]<br> - <br> - ----<br> - <br> - Ah! So it's SSW eh? I like that! ☄☄☄☄ ["Users/ConstantiaOomen"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2013-11-03 21:48:16ConstantiaOomen <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 56: </td> <td> Line 56: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + ----<br> + <br> + Ah! So it's SSW eh? I like that! ☄☄☄☄ ["Users/ConstantiaOomen"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2013-07-17 22:50:41JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 55: </td> <td> Line 55: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> For what it's worth, I have always, and still do agree with you that the owners of businesses have less voice on the wiki. I've mentioned this several times, and will still stand by that. I just don't see a good way around it to make sure it is equal voice rather than special consideration. It appears to me to be a combination of people being wary of business owners due to some of them being problematic (which is an unfair association), and in some cases a vague and undefined cultural bias against commercial activity and business owners. Plus the fact that business owners are often great sources of information, but don't have time to spend learning how the wiki works. Heck, before the non-profit status, I used to advocate for actual commerce '''on''' the wiki, as I felt it functioned as a town square. Trying to have equality for business owners on the wiki is a hard -- and in certain ways subtle (as it is very ingrained) --<span>&nbsp;social</span> problem to resolve. --["Users/JabberWokky" jw] </td> <td> <span>+</span> For what it's worth, I have always, and still do agree with you that the owners of businesses have less voice on the wiki. I've mentioned this several times, and will still stand by that. I just don't see a good way around it to make sure it is equal voice rather than special consideration. It appears to me to be a combination of people being wary of business owners due to some of them being problematic (which is an unfair association), and in some cases a vague and undefined cultural bias against commercial activity and business owners. Plus the fact that business owners are often great sources of information, but don't have time to spend learning how the wiki works. Heck, before the non-profit status, I used to advocate for actual commerce '''on''' the wiki, as I felt it functioned as a town square. Trying to have equality for business owners on the wiki is a hard -- and in certain ways <span>a very </span>subtle (as it is very ingrained<span>&nbsp;socially both in Davis and on the wiki</span>) -- problem to resolve. --["Users/JabberWokky" jw] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2013-07-17 22:49:11JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 54: </td> <td> Line 54: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ----<br> + For what it's worth, I have always, and still do agree with you that the owners of businesses have less voice on the wiki. I've mentioned this several times, and will still stand by that. I just don't see a good way around it to make sure it is equal voice rather than special consideration. It appears to me to be a combination of people being wary of business owners due to some of them being problematic (which is an unfair association), and in some cases a vague and undefined cultural bias against commercial activity and business owners. Plus the fact that business owners are often great sources of information, but don't have time to spend learning how the wiki works. Heck, before the non-profit status, I used to advocate for actual commerce '''on''' the wiki, as I felt it functioned as a town square. Trying to have equality for business owners on the wiki is a hard -- and in certain ways subtle (as it is very ingrained) -- social problem to resolve. --["Users/JabberWokky" jw]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2013-07-17 16:36:42JamesKrause <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 51: </td> <td> Line 51: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + ----<br> + Hi Don, I run ["Rivers to Reef"] and haven't been able to find a great supplier for pond plants that are healthy. I called up your place and it sounds like you guys have a great selection, so you can expect that I will be sending customers your way in the future. Thanks for agreeing with me in terms of that whole E-Z smog fiasco, but I don't think it's an argument we're going to win. --["Users/jameskrause" James]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2013-04-23 12:39:39MikeyCrews <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 49: </td> <td> Line 49: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + I got some Lady Bugs from you last week. My timing of their release seemed to coincide with a lot of them naturally emerging from their caccoon things (which happened a few weeks after the aphids arrived as you predicted). So now there's ladybugs everywhere and it's terrific. The aphid population has come under control surprisingly quickly so I imagine the ladybugs will move on in the near future, but hopefully they'll lay a bunch of eggs first. Thanks for you help. Also, I added a pict of what I think is a LeatherWing to the aphids page, but I'm not 100% sure. And do you guys have a full selection of peppers and tomatoes in now? -- mikey</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2013-03-28 20:31:56JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 47: </td> <td> Line 47: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ----<br> + Thanks. I would like to see more accountability, but it is a tough balancing act to keep the reasoned reviews in place. Personally, I'd like to see a little less support for the vague slams on businesses and histrionic all caps rants (positive or negative). Of course, those are common off the wiki too. They just persist here. I think we have moved well past uniform support for all commentary, regardless of source and content, at this point (which didn't really exist at the outset, so it was a strange phase the wiki went through). -jw</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2013-03-19 19:35:29MikeyCrews <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 45: </td> <td> Line 45: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ----<br> + Thanks for the aphid advice. I will hose them down good in the morning. I've gotten them before but I've never seen them in this kind of abundance. Interesting article too. -- mikey</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2013-02-03 16:57:21CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 43: </td> <td> Line 43: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + Sure, it was an interesting mental exercise. Hope you have a good meal! --cp</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2013-01-29 21:04:15CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 41: </td> <td> Line 41: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + Good headings, thanks. I think I'd go for Seasons. It's not too noisy/busy, the waitstaff are likely to be patient, and there are a variety of dishes to choose from, reliably good. If I recall, they're also pretty flexible about changes to your order. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2013-01-29 16:18:14CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 39: </td> <td> Line 39: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + Maybe add a second level heading, i.e, {{{== Title for your comments == }}} to your recent addition to the Measure I page? I'm trying to keep things semi-orderly, and adding a heading will make your post appear in the TOC. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-11-21 22:31:22TomGarberson <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 37: </td> <td> Line 37: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + Too much? --tg</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-10-24 20:58:10PeteB <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 35: </td> <td> Line 35: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + Thx for the comment....you and I seem to agree on this matter. --["Users/PeteB"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-06-14 13:42:20CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 33: </td> <td> Line 33: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + For the record, I did try to delete the Talk page and move on... unfortunately, that was not to be... --cp</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-06-13 19:36:07ScarlettW <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 31: </td> <td> Line 31: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + the person using the LWolk username '''is''' my mother. -scarlett wolk</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-06-13 08:21:40KemblePope <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + Don, where is this list of Downtown retailers that you are comparing the Chamber's membership rolls? Also, does that include service providers that also sell goods like the European Wax Center or Helmus Optometry? --["Users/KemblePope"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-06-09 13:32:29DonShorRevert to version 259. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 28: </td> <td> Line 28: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Don, this is long overdue, but thanks for your advice and recommendation on pruning the persimmon tree at my parents home. (["Garden Questions"] in 2010). I haven't seen the tree for a long time, but on my next visit to my parents I 'll take a picture to document the before/after. I'm hearing it's becoming a "real" tree now. Cheers,<span><br> -</span> -["users/edwins" ES]<span><br> - -----<br> - Master, I understand your point behind the need for suppression of dissent and dialogue. Also, I agree with the need to ban any such dissenters. However, I only agree with everything you say and a fervent supporter of your agenda. Let's work together and purge the community we shall. --["JediNazi"] Oh, and Don, you can strike down a Jedi but the power only multiplies. Discuss this later we shall.</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> Don, this is long overdue, but thanks for your advice and recommendation on pruning the persimmon tree at my parents home. (["Garden Questions"] in 2010). I haven't seen the tree for a long time, but on my next visit to my parents I 'll take a picture to document the before/after. I'm hearing it's becoming a "real" tree now. Cheers, -["users/edwins" ES] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-06-09 13:30:01JediNazi <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 28: </td> <td> Line 28: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Don, this is long overdue, but thanks for your advice and recommendation on pruning the persimmon tree at my parents home. (["Garden Questions"] in 2010). I haven't seen the tree for a long time, but on my next visit to my parents I 'll take a picture to document the before/after. I'm hearing it's becoming a "real" tree now. Cheers, -["users/edwins" ES] </td> <td> <span>+</span> Don, this is long overdue, but thanks for your advice and recommendation on pruning the persimmon tree at my parents home. (["Garden Questions"] in 2010). I haven't seen the tree for a long time, but on my next visit to my parents I 'll take a picture to document the before/after. I'm hearing it's becoming a "real" tree now. Cheers,<span><br> +</span> -["users/edwins" ES]<span><br> + -----<br> + Master, I understand your point behind the need for suppression of dissent and dialogue. Also, I agree with the need to ban any such dissenters. However, I only agree with everything you say and a fervent supporter of your agenda. Let's work together and purge the community we shall. --["JediNazi"] Oh, and Don, you can strike down a Jedi but the power only multiplies. Discuss this later we shall.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-06-09 12:02:28JabberWokkyDon's smart enough to read in history, and there's no need to keep it. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- -----<br> - I totally agree with you regarding the banning of "trolls" and radical discourse. People shouldn't be able to just say anything that they feel like especially when in obvious violation of the prime directive. This community is in dire need of a purification from this sort of dissent. You stand as a bastion and leader in this struggle. Worry not, padwin brother, I fully support you in this effort and together, win at wiki we shall.</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-06-09 11:53:28JediNazi <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + I totally agree with you regarding the banning of "trolls" and radical discourse. People shouldn't be able to just say anything that they feel like especially when in obvious violation of the prime directive. This community is in dire need of a purification from this sort of dissent. You stand as a bastion and leader in this struggle. Worry not, padwin brother, I fully support you in this effort and together, win at wiki we shall.</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-06-08 16:54:15EdWins <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 27: </td> <td> Line 27: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + Don, this is long overdue, but thanks for your advice and recommendation on pruning the persimmon tree at my parents home. (["Garden Questions"] in 2010). I haven't seen the tree for a long time, but on my next visit to my parents I 'll take a picture to document the before/after. I'm hearing it's becoming a "real" tree now. Cheers, -["users/edwins" ES]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-05-29 22:57:24CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 25: </td> <td> Line 25: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + I probably deserve some of the blame as well -- more of it, actually. I read some of the things you wrote on the Vanguard, was persuaded by them, and incorporated those ideas into the Chamber page. But that is my doing, not yours, and he shouldn't blame you. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-05-29 22:23:30JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 23: </td> <td> Line 23: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -------<br> + I can blame myself for not making my commentary on the histrionics more clear. I'm sorry, however, that you inexplicably got lumped into something you didn't participate in. --["Users/JabberWokky" jw]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-05-19 16:51:32Dr.Baker <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 21: </td> <td> Line 21: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -------<br> + Thanks Don, I'll have to add some content when I have more free time. Thanks for the mandarin tree and nice flowers, too. I'm trying to get the mandarin to bolt upward a little in its second season here, but some critters keep eating all the new growth. -Alex --["Users/Dr.Baker"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-05-18 21:09:14ScottMeehleib <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 19: </td> <td> Line 19: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -------<br> + I apologize for the callous remarks I made towards you last night. It was wrong for me to say such things, and they don't reflect how I feel about you now, especially after reconsidering the totality of the situation. Although I still disagree that I made a personal attack, I understand the greyness of the matter, and that you, as a moderator, were simply trying to keep things civil and on topic and that your intent was good. If I ever choose to leave a comment on the Vanguard again (assuming I haven't been banned), I will try to adapt my "voice" to the guidelines of the site's comment policy. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-05-18 11:40:38DonShordon't feel like having vulgarities on this page <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 19: </td> <td> Line 19: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- -------<br> - That was a douchebag move you pulled on the Vanguard. I respected you and your business which is just a few blocks from where I live. But not anymore. You're way too sensitive and your pandering to assholes makes the world a shittier place. - SM</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-05-17 20:07:12ScottMeehleibhas to be said <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 19: </td> <td> Line 19: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -------<br> + That was a douchebag move you pulled on the Vanguard. I respected you and your business which is just a few blocks from where I live. But not anymore. You're way too sensitive and your pandering to assholes makes the world a shittier place. - SM</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-04-26 18:58:34JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 18: </td> <td> Line 18: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> A belated congratulations on your "new" business. For that matter, a belated congratulations on your third decade. Or perhaps it's more appropriate to congratulate you on lasting through over 30 sets of annuals? -jw </td> <td> <span>+</span> A belated congratulations on your<span>&nbsp;[http://daviswiki.org/1981?action=diff&amp;version2=8&amp;version1=7</span> "new" business<span>]</span>. For that matter, a belated congratulations on your third decade. Or perhaps it's more appropriate to congratulate you on lasting through over 30 sets of annuals? -jw </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-04-26 18:58:09JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 17: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -------<br> + A belated congratulations on your "new" business. For that matter, a belated congratulations on your third decade. Or perhaps it's more appropriate to congratulate you on lasting through over 30 sets of annuals? -jw</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-03-20 10:12:30JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 15: </td> <td> Line 15: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -------<br> + Despite the rather uncouth commentary, ["Sockpuppets"] is the entry about them, while ["Sockpuppet"] is just the image (as it is included on several pages). --["Users/JabberWokky" Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-03-17 12:21:54CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 13: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -------<br> + Very clear and well-stated. I'm going to link to your comments from the Monsanto page in a moment. Maybe the Enterprise would be interested in a version of them as well. I think there are widespread misunderstandings about what Monsanto does, and your posting goes a long way towards correcting them. Thanks. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-03-16 15:24:18CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 12: </td> <td> Line 12: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> I appreciate your comments on [http://davisvanguard.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=5185:occupy-protest-shuts-down-operations-at-monsanto-today-and-tomorrow&amp;Itemid=105 the GMO discussion at the Vanguard]. </td> <td> <span>+</span> I appreciate your comments on [http://davisvanguard.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=5185:occupy-protest-shuts-down-operations-at-monsanto-today-and-tomorrow&amp;Itemid=105 the GMO discussion at the Vanguard].<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;--["Users/CovertProfessor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2012-03-16 15:24:11CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 11: </td> <td> Line 11: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + I appreciate your comments on [http://davisvanguard.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=5185:occupy-protest-shuts-down-operations-at-monsanto-today-and-tomorrow&amp;Itemid=105 the GMO discussion at the Vanguard].</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-12-31 10:55:18DonShor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 11: </td> <td> Line 11: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- Banning William. There was a statement that "nobody is for banning William, so there's no need for this" (or, to be precise, there was the statement that it should go away unless somebody was actually proposing banning William -- which I believe was and is the actual case). I believe there was a lack of respect for an individual's point of view and the majority shut down a proposal where there was still an active minority viewpoint. While I can't say I'm thrilled by Jeff's actions since, I did and do respect his view and thought that there was no pressing need to "clean the wiki" of his points. Especially when I think they are shared by others, which is why I referenced you (and a deep apology if I misrepresented your view).<br> - <br> - Compare a ["Cut that comment bar out" minority viewpoint that William and I support] that still sticks around, even when there's a overwhelming majority against it, primarily to present an alternate point of view from the current consensus. And there are many other examples all over the wiki, some of which are directly related to banning. Both Steven Ostrowski and Brian Tangney had (and have) fairly ["Real Computers &amp; Free Diagnostics/Restoration Project" permanent records] to show a pattern of behavior. Perhaps it's because I see people off-wiki calling for William to be banned, so I know there is an actual viewpoint held by several people that is not being voiced. So I don't like it when somebody does voice it and it is removed. I do not like the idea of banning anybody -- I ''really'' don't like it -- but I dislike the idea of discounting and clearing minority opinions off the wiki far more. We've lost far more editors to that than have ever been banned. -jw<br> - <br> - I was trying to make "factual change, or a positive addition." I would be interested to see your opinion if you would like to offer one after revisiting ["Taxi Services/Talk"].<br> - -----<br> - I laughed out loud at the "r u missing" --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - -----<br> - Chocolate leaving is depressing. Chocolate that one deserves, not so much. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]<br> - -----<br> - I tend to try to attribute the very specific (which is not always the same as the opinionated) to a particular author rather than "one wiki editor", as everything on every page is written by one wiki editor (at a time, of course). -jw<br> - -----<br> - I prefer to get my just deserts! And my just desserts as well. --cp<br> - -----<br> - When I proposed a ban last time around, two people threatened to quit the wiki if JL got banned and it got voted down because he adds perspective or some such. I'm not going to open that door again. You're welcome to do so, though, if you feel like stepping in it :) --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - -----<br> - I believe it's the feeling of safety that comes with anonymity for people who feel they might be subject to discrimination or worse. That's a reasonable concern and a fair point. I just don't think it's particularly an issue here on the wiki, from what I've seen. Apart from a couple of passing trolls, there's only one person I can remember seeing who did any serious abuse based on gender, race, sexual orientation, or anything else (specifically, Lawson + gender). But he seems to abuse people on any basis he can think of, so I don't think it was misogyny so much as liking to abuse people. But, as you said, it seems like any disagreement from a male is an attempt to "control" women or impose an Orwellian society on the wiki. I'm not sure whether it's just hyperbole with an element of ad hominem or whether there's something that hasn't been explained which I'm not picking up from between the lines. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - * I think one thing you're missing is that this isn't just about reactions from fellow editors. A women could be subject to harassment from anyone reading the wiki as a result taking a strong stand on an issue. To use a non-wiki but recent example, look at [http://www.sacbee.com/2011/12/14/4122453/katehi-to-defend-her-actions-in.html#storylink=misearch what happened to Jerika]. Of course, that could happen to a man, too, but the claim is that women are a bit more vulnerable. I don't think that that is an outrageous claim. --cp</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-12-24 22:22:18CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 28: </td> <td> Line 28: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * I think one thing you're missing is that this isn't just about reactions from fellow editors. A women could be subject to harassment from anyone reading the wiki as a result taking a strong stand on an issue. To use a non-wiki but recent example, look at [http://www.sacbee.com/2011/12/14/4122453/katehi-to-defend-her-actions-in.html#storylink=misearch what happened to Jerika]. Of course, that could happen to a man, too, but the claim is that women are a bit more vulnerable. I don't think that that is an outrageous claim. --cp</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-12-24 22:13:11TomGarberson <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 26: </td> <td> Line 26: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + I believe it's the feeling of safety that comes with anonymity for people who feel they might be subject to discrimination or worse. That's a reasonable concern and a fair point. I just don't think it's particularly an issue here on the wiki, from what I've seen. Apart from a couple of passing trolls, there's only one person I can remember seeing who did any serious abuse based on gender, race, sexual orientation, or anything else (specifically, Lawson + gender). But he seems to abuse people on any basis he can think of, so I don't think it was misogyny so much as liking to abuse people. But, as you said, it seems like any disagreement from a male is an attempt to "control" women or impose an Orwellian society on the wiki. I'm not sure whether it's just hyperbole with an element of ad hominem or whether there's something that hasn't been explained which I'm not picking up from between the lines. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-12-14 21:26:14TomGarberson <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 24: </td> <td> Line 24: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + When I proposed a ban last time around, two people threatened to quit the wiki if JL got banned and it got voted down because he adds perspective or some such. I'm not going to open that door again. You're welcome to do so, though, if you feel like stepping in it :) --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-11-21 21:29:41CovertProfessor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 22: </td> <td> Line 22: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + I prefer to get my just deserts! And my just desserts as well. --cp</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-11-21 19:40:13JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 20: </td> <td> Line 20: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + I tend to try to attribute the very specific (which is not always the same as the opinionated) to a particular author rather than "one wiki editor", as everything on every page is written by one wiki editor (at a time, of course). -jw</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-11-19 00:31:04CovertProfessorIt all depends on which meaning of "deserts"... <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 18: </td> <td> Line 18: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + Chocolate leaving is depressing. Chocolate that one deserves, not so much. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-11-17 18:50:19TomGarberson <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 16: </td> <td> Line 16: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ -----<br> + I laughed out loud at the "r u missing" --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-11-02 06:58:02BruceHansencomment <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 14: </td> <td> Line 14: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + I was trying to make "factual change, or a positive addition." I would be interested to see your opinion if you would like to offer one after revisiting ["Taxi Services/Talk"].</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-10-02 00:39:07JabberWokkyReply to Don (and somewhat specific to his question). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 10: </td> <td> Line 10: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ = =<br> + Banning William. There was a statement that "nobody is for banning William, so there's no need for this" (or, to be precise, there was the statement that it should go away unless somebody was actually proposing banning William -- which I believe was and is the actual case). I believe there was a lack of respect for an individual's point of view and the majority shut down a proposal where there was still an active minority viewpoint. While I can't say I'm thrilled by Jeff's actions since, I did and do respect his view and thought that there was no pressing need to "clean the wiki" of his points. Especially when I think they are shared by others, which is why I referenced you (and a deep apology if I misrepresented your view).<br> + <br> + Compare a ["Cut that comment bar out" minority viewpoint that William and I support] that still sticks around, even when there's a overwhelming majority against it, primarily to present an alternate point of view from the current consensus. And there are many other examples all over the wiki, some of which are directly related to banning. Both Steven Ostrowski and Brian Tangney had (and have) fairly ["Real Computers &amp; Free Diagnostics/Restoration Project" permanent records] to show a pattern of behavior. Perhaps it's because I see people off-wiki calling for William to be banned, so I know there is an actual viewpoint held by several people that is not being voiced. So I don't like it when somebody does voice it and it is removed. I do not like the idea of banning anybody -- I ''really'' don't like it -- but I dislike the idea of discounting and clearing minority opinions off the wiki far more. We've lost far more editors to that than have ever been banned. -jw</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-09-30 19:00:52DonShor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 10: </td> <td> Line 10: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - [[comments]]<br> - ------<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-07-21 21:06:43'' [[nbsp]] Does Ms. Mignosa sell alpaca fiber or yarn? --["Users/WilliamLewis"]<br> - * Not yet. She makes her own for her craft projects. -- Don<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-07-25 23:17:08'' [[nbsp]] Fry's has tons of electronic stuff that I would otherwise have to get mail order. It's kinda important for electronics geeks. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-07-25 23:18:32'' [[nbsp]] Frys may not be the closest electronics store, but they are the closest Frys! When I was in high school and at work now, my friends and coworkers and I here in Davis often talk about making Frys runs, there really just aren't any other stores that have the selection, prices and service that Frys does. --["Users/NickSchmalenberger"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-07-26 00:18:08'' [[nbsp]] http://www.farmland.org/americas-favorite-farmers-markets-states.asp#CA<br> - <br> - 40 votes behind Rochester, New York. No other Farmers Market in the nation is close to either of us.. vote if you love our Farmers... and spread the word if able. --["Users/WesOne"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-07-26 10:21:43'' [[nbsp]] Great solution over on the Store Ads page. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-07-29 00:29:07'' [[nbsp]] The ["Sam's Mediterranean/Politics"] page is just Davis being Davis, why delete it? --["Users/NickSchmalenberger"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-07-29 02:05:28'' [[nbsp]] I have complete respect for Sam's, its a great restaurant and I love to go there. If the accusation is true, it doesn't bother me at all. Apparently it does bother Sam so I don't mind if its not linked from the restaurant page (although I tried to write the link in a way that wouldn't reflect badly). I disagree though that the page itself is disrespectful of Sam's, because so many people defend the restaurant. I think all that can be said is that there was this controversy of little significance, people should be able to draw their own conclusions. It says alot more about the character and interests of Davis than about Sam's and I think its useful to keep on the wiki in some way. --["Users/NickSchmalenberger"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-07-29 02:15:51'' [[nbsp]] I try to think of the wiki as being like a katamari that rolls up stories. --["Users/NickSchmalenberger"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-07-29 03:39:31'' [[nbsp]] I viewed that page as reflecting more on the nature of ["Users/PaulLanzi"] than on Sam's. --["Users/JasonAller"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-08-06 15:34:34'' [[nbsp]] Thank you for your editions to the page. Even though some were removed and changed, expressing both sides was appreciated. It just shows that even if you ask to keep things more accurate and balanced and private, people choose to be unfair and want to hurt others. Unfortunately often times the young or the ignorant do not realize the damage they can do to others and their families. --["Users/HWestbrook"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-08-07 06:58:08'' [[nbsp]] I saw [http://daviswiki.org/Makeout_Spots?action=diff&amp;version2=71&amp;version1=70 your edit] to ["Makeout Spots"] and thought you were replying to Megan's [http://daviswiki.org/Makeout_Spots?action=diff&amp;version2=70&amp;version1=69 comment] from last night until I scrolled down. I almost spit coffee all over my laptop :)<br> - <br> - I think you're right that HWestbrook is confused about the edits, thanks for pointing that out. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-08-17 12:27:00'' [[nbsp]] Integrated the info into the main text in a non-personal way (with no identifiers of it's original poster and made it third person, expanding on it with general consensus of thought from many comments received and removed the comment that was originally deleted. --["Users/Wes-P"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-08-23 13:56:01'' [[nbsp]] Thanks so much for the donation! --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-08-28 13:04:58'' [[nbsp]] Thanks. I think it's a pretty obvious point, but I'm not going to waste my Saturday afternoon reverting over and over again, or trying to suggest ways of compromising with someone who has decided to reject anything that isn't the exact result he has decided upon. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-09-01 19:33:43'' [[nbsp]] Was there a reason you deleted all the additions I made to the credit card page? You updated according to current law shortly after my additions and removed all of them... revert gone bad maybe?--["Users/Wes-P"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-09-02 05:07:38'' [[nbsp]] I agree with you on the credit card compliance, but the general consensus seems to be 'the more info the better'. That's why I updated with some companies I knew of. Maybe we could all chat about it sometime, maybe even at another meet and greet? I have never been to a live Wiki meeting. --["Users/Wes-P"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-09-03 15:23:42'' [[nbsp]] I liked the full list of businesses charging a minimum, because all the ones removed for "now being in compliance" were previously not in compliance at all, and that's something that quite a lot of people out there think is(...was) lame indeed! : P --["Users/EdWins"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-10-19 13:14:42'' [[nbsp]] Yeah, the last comment that was made was after I replied kind of tilted it for me as well. --["Users/JabberWokky"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-10-19 23:24:46'' [[nbsp]] I always felt guilty that my solution has been to rake the leaves onto the lawn and let my electric mulching mower chew them up. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who does that. Also handy for eating some kinds of trimmings. --["Users/JabberWokky"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-10-25 04:25:26'' [[nbsp]] Well handled with the Ground Zero comment. --["Users/JabberWokky"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-10-26 10:54:03'' [[nbsp]] Thank you, too, good sir. --["Users/FoodLover197"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-10-30 21:30:04'' [[nbsp]] Hey, I altered your comment [http://daviswiki.org/Users/skywords?action=diff&amp;version2=2&amp;version1=1 here] to turn it into a sentence (you left out a verb). I assume you meant "see", or something similar ("note" or "read" also spring to mind). I hope you don't mind my altering your correspondence; I did so to remove confusion in a message intended to clear up already existing confusion. --["Users/JabberWokky"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-11-05 07:41:22'' [[nbsp]] I actually thought that Fluffy Donuts lost a significant amount of information when 85% of the comments were archived. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - ------<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-11-05 10:34:01'' [[nbsp]] Ok, Don. If you want to get into an edit war, so be it. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-11-05 12:08:10'' [[nbsp]] Don-thank you for the support. I'm quite upset and frustrated to wake up and see this. --["Users/PeterBoulay"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-11-05 15:00:14'' [[nbsp]] Common sense is apparently not appreciated here. Please email me at blurfy@gmail.com if you wish to talk to me further but I don't think I'll be around much.... --["Users/PeterBoulay"]<br> - ------<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-11-25 20:24:38'' [[nbsp]] Thanks for [http://daviswiki.org/Frost?action=diff&amp;version2=2&amp;version1=1 this]. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-11-26 14:30:18'' [[nbsp]] [http://daviswiki.org/Users/CovertProfessor?action=diff&amp;version2=1168&amp;version1=1167 Indeed, an excellent collaboration!]. And now JW has made it the featured page. :-) --["Users/CovertProfessor"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-11-26 15:02:12'' [[nbsp]] Hey, you were the folk who did all the hard work. I just linked to it. If I can ever find the photos I have of frost in Davis, I'll add them (on the ground around fallen leaves and on the top of the wooden wall next to a dumpster at The Arbors... not exactly the romantic ideal of frost on a window!). --["Users/JabberWokky"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-11-30 15:50:47'' [[nbsp]] Nice photo of ["frost"]... far better than the ones I have buried somewhere. Thanks. --["Users/JabberWokky"]<br> - * Very pretty. --["Users/hankim"]<br> - * Yes. --cp<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-12-11 17:03:31'' [[nbsp]] Re: ["Davis Hang Gliding and Paragliding Club"]: I'm trying to find out if it ever existed at all... if it didn't, then it should probably be deleted. Neat idea for a club, however. --["Users/JabberWokky"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-12-15 13:18:36'' [[nbsp]] Don--here we go again...check out ["Lost Pets"]. --["Users/PeterBoulay"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2010-12-19 15:37:59'' [[nbsp]] I appreciated the good thoughtful save edit on "democracy" for students. (Have you seen the Comment banner before?) --["Users/BruceHansen"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-02-01 16:38:25'' [[nbsp]] [http://daviswiki.org/2009?action=diff&amp;date=1296589376 I was wondering about the same thing]. --["Users/JabberWokky"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-02-07 15:28:37'' [[nbsp]] The only positive review was the Korean restaurant. I hope this is not from a representative of the restaurant, because that means there are practically no honest Korean restaurants in town. --["Users/hankim"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-02-07 16:25:15'' [[nbsp]] Could you email me, Don? I'm in a tight project, ignoring email right now, but I'd like to get your input on some things soon. I think I might have your email, but I'm not certain. --["Users/JabberWokky"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-02-07 23:20:56'' [[nbsp]] Ah thanks. Felt a bit weird that they were closed on Superbowl Sunday so I thought something terrible happened. --["Users/hankim"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-02-19 16:31:33'' [[nbsp]] Please do not deintegrate the info on the ["Chipotle"] page. What you moved isn't even opinion, so I can't see any argument for putting it down at the bottom of the page, attributed so nobody else can edit and improve it. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-02-19 18:23:25'' [[nbsp]] Sure. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-03-12 17:58:01'' [[nbsp]] May not be an actual rash, but it sure has been annoying for years. ;) --["Users/Wes-P"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-03-21 12:33:39'' [[nbsp]] By the way, your comment isn't what caused me to delete the Talk page. The general lack of progress toward any kind of actual resolution did. Your point is actually really important, and something I worry about a great deal. Judging from some of the phone conversations and emails I've traded back and forth with people off-wiki, we're not alone in worrying about how the nature of consensus decisions can smother views. The fact that conversation about this particular topic seems to always take place off-wiki is either a symptom or a contributing part of the problem. --["Users/JabberWokky"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-03-21 13:22:57'' [[nbsp]] The entirety of your comment was "This is a very serious charge. A young woman pretended to be drunk and defrauded a cab company of its fare. The driver was complicit in this fraud. Both should be cited for theft, and then this whole page should disappear from the Davis Wiki."<br> - <br> - My paraphrase/response, for reference, "'No she PRETENDED to be drunk and "defrauded" the cab company' [wow, really? Screw that. If that's the case, and the guy was just hoodwinked and bamboozled he's completely scott-free for the fondling/groping? 'Sorry guys, she tricked me! How did I know she wasn't actually drunk when I was groping her? She defrauded me! Just more passenger hijinks. Let's delete it from the anti-business wiki, this is a non-issue, just cite me for 'theft' of a five buck fare"<br> - <br> - I'm not sure what I missed of your comment, as it's rather short. Shall we go through it together?<br> - <br> - Sentence 1: it's serious, (check, I mentioned that, though not explicitly in the quoted part above)<br> - Sentence 2A: She pretended to be drunk (I mentioned that).<br> - Sentence 2B: she defrauded a cab company (I mentioned that).<br> - Sentence 3: the cab driver was complicit (I mentioned that).<br> - Sentence 4A: Both should be cited for theft (You're right, I erred here).<br> - Sentence 4B: comment should dissapear from the wiki. (I mentioned that).<br> - <br> - So yes, I did seem to miss a part of your comment, in sentence 4A. I forgot to mention that SHE should also be cited, as my commentary only addressed the driver. However, maybe I missed sentence 5 and beyond, as I didn't see any mention in yours of the drivers inappropriate conduct (a BEST case scenario, assuming a consensual relationship). Cause that would be pretty inappropriate to do even to your own wife, in public, much less while on duty? Right?<br> - <br> - Yes, the wiki often comes across as anti-business. That's not the point here. Please re-read your comment and re-read the talk page. The wiki's stance on other business pages doesn't excuse completely swiping an alleged sexual based crime under the rug and trivializing it as petty theft. That was the point I was getting at in my angsty rant. --["Users/EdWins"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-03-21 13:25:29'' [[nbsp]] definitely not wished. --["Users/DavidPlacencia"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-03-21 13:27:15'' [[nbsp]] And although I'm honestly upset, I'm not specifically mad at you at a personal level, merely the overall situation and the lead-up, as I wrote on the talk page. Your comment was just one among many, although the trivialization of a potential sex crime as theft of what was probably a $5 fare was rather insulting, which is why I singled that part out in my commentary. (Again, as I said, go read the talk page edit by edit through the Info tab. It's rather illustrative) --["Users/EdWins"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-03-21 13:31:08'' [[nbsp]] Then I truly apologize. I was HOPING that was the case, but again, I was editing while upset and it was a bit hard to tell. I'll adjust my comment. --["Users/EdWins"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-03-21 18:23:38'' [[nbsp]] Please see the ["Wiki Community/Accusations/Talk"] page. --["Users/Wes-P"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-03-21 23:17:24'' [[nbsp]] Don, a good magician never reveals his tricks... but there is always someone willing to [http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/200b/index.htm spill the beans] of how the trick was performed. It wasn't logging into anyone else's account, but creating an account that appeared to be the same to anyone looking at just the name. The name is one character longer, but the vast majority of browsers won't display that character. The woman however was really sawed in half and then real magic was used to put her back together. --["Users/JasonAller"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-03-27 21:22:52'' [[nbsp]] You might want to reread my actual comment on Friendly Cab/Talk... or just about every comment I've made about how the wiki is biased in many ways[[Footnote(Toward customers, towards the youth (55 and up being poorly represented). Also toward students, meaning people who are renting for the first time, living on their own for the first time, etc. and thus blaming the wrong person when things go pear shaped. It's a serious problem that there's a lack of input from whole segments of the Davis population.)]] and has a serious problem with signed text being unassailable. I've spent the last eight years defending the fact that businesses are an equal part of the wiki and should have a voice -- one that is too often muted here[[Footnote(For a variety of reasons. Charitably, it's possibly due to the few bad apples that have tried to abuse the wiki. More realistically, it may be due to an anti-commerce and anti-"The Man" kneejerk response inherent in some parts of the Davis population.)]] -- and that just because somebody signs their name shouldn't mean that the text is somehow sacred and uneditable. I find it a bit offensive you never noticed, as I'm pretty durn steady in banging this drum. --["Users/JabberWokky"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-03-27 21:51:25'' [[nbsp]] No problem. I was worried my position wasn't clear, which was particularly frustrating at this juncture when the topic is actually openly being discussed. --["Users/JabberWokky"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-03-28 22:09:37'' [[nbsp]] A language filter would probably be better discussed on a different page... the ban proposal has nothing to do with Josh's language, despite the fact that several people have focused exclusively on that issue in opposing a ban. I suspect a filter would meet a lot of opposition is a blanket thing, but as a feature that could be turned on or off in the new software it might come in handy for making wikis (Davis and others) more family-friendly. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-04-18 07:19:59'' [[nbsp]] Fixed Don, wasn't trying to make it confusing. Thanks for pointing it out. --["Users/Wes-P"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-04-20 17:08:40'' [[nbsp]] Whups, meant to close the bold at the end of the message. Thanks for catching it. --["Users/JabberWokky"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-04-24 19:05:54'' [[nbsp]] Pseudonym is a good way to put it. I refer to it as accountability: an anonymous account can be accountable (CP) or not. The people who edit under slight variations of their names or first name/last initial are certainly accountable... people who know them recognize their wiki accounts. Anonymous accounts tend to have a higher proportion of unaccountable editors, but the two are distinct things, one causing problems, the other not. The occasional joke or gag account don't really cause problems, so those aren't an issue either (in my view). --["Users/JabberWokky"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-04-30 13:22:11'' [[nbsp]] Good call on deleting the email addresses... I didn't even notice that. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-05-02 09:55:07'' [[nbsp]] How's business going these days, Don? Does tomato season bring on a boom? I can't remember if I reported back in about my hanging tomato, but it was a miserable failure. The plant grew just fine, but it only produced one tiny tomato. Oh, and those pictures of the Topsy-Turvy, with a tomato plant that looks like it's just growing normally, but upside down? Complete BS. The thing grows upwards - leaves flip over, and the branches grow around all sides of the pot upward. The ones they put on TV are obviously grown right side up, then flipped over for the photo shoot. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-05-07 17:38:35'' [[nbsp]] I spoke to Jaberwokky about forming a small group of business owners to help handle disputes and provide outreach to new business wiki editors. I am happy to help and would love to be a part of all that. Let me know what you had in mind. --["Users/DagonJones"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-05-09 18:04:50'' [[nbsp]] Hello. I saw your comment on the Pawsitive Groomers page and I want to thank you for commenting towards that guy. I also wanted to tell you that everyone connected to Pawsitive Groomers is ignoring him and his comments. We are trying to move on and he keeps harassing us like you have seen on those pages. There is no back and forth thing going on it's just him commenting and etc. --["Users/MustangLisa05"]<br> - ------<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-05-23 19:22:22'' [[nbsp]] Hey Don, in light of the endless series of disputes over the last few months, do you think there's anything that should be changed, clarified, added, etc. to ["Welcome to the Wiki/Business Owner"]? Any advice you think would make it more useful to new business owners/reps?<br> - <br> - Sometime in the next few days I'm going to try and give the page a second look. I'd like to make it more readable and make it less of a wall of text. Headers, some kind of image(s), etc. I'd appreciate any input you have as to both form and content. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-05-24 10:31:13'' [[nbsp]] Looks like there's a drafting process getting started over at ["Welcome to the Wiki/Business Owner/Talk"] --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-05-31 19:32:19'' [[nbsp]] Cool, thanks! I'll look forward to hearing your thoughts. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-06-12 13:31:21'' [[nbsp]] I didn't hit the paywall<br> - <br> - interesting --["Users/StevenDaubert"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-06-12 14:44:58'' [[nbsp]] You'd think they would give columnists free access... --["Users/MeggoWaffle"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-06-12 14:49:07'' [[nbsp]] I found that I would hit the paywall on a first attempt, then arrive there with no problem from another page. I am a subscriber, but do not get an automatic login as did before. --["Users/SueHjerpe"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-07-09 16:25:52'' [[nbsp]] Ah ha! Normally, if you use the include statement, it hides all of that. Because the image name is typically hidden, I named them all quotes from great speeches (that's from Ike's exit speech) or obscure references as a secret surprise. Kind of like how you can sometimes find signatures or little bits of artwork on the inside of electronics when you take them apart. I'm guessing you tried to copy and paste it rather than using {{{[[Include(Departed Business)]]}}}? --["Users/JabberWokky"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-07-09 16:27:50'' [[nbsp]] Another example would that the parrot in the NoLongerExists include is named "Its metabolical processes are of interest only to historians", a quote from the Dead Parrot sketch by Monty Python. --["Users/JabberWokky"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-07-09 19:50:16'' [[nbsp]] Yeah -- Include is decidedly a "wiki thing", and not as obvious as it could be. --["Users/JabberWokky"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-08-03 20:16:26'' [[nbsp]] Thanks for the information on Melia. If you saw a tree like that in a place where children and dogs play, would you do something about it? --["Users/CovertProfessor"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-08-04 14:44:57'' [[nbsp]] Thanks again. This tree is in a public place, but your suggestion that parents of small children and those with small dogs always need to be on the lookout for what their small ones are putting in their mouths is a good one. As you say, we can't get rid of all of the toxic plants out there. And yes, dogs excel at barfing things up. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-08-11 10:20:40'' [[nbsp]] I don't know about the kids bikes or the anonymous notes; the other things mentioned seem true. I hope I wasn't a hater. --["Users/BruceHansen"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-08-12 10:30:42'' [[nbsp]] Thanks Don. I really appreciate that. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-09-07 13:22:20'' [[nbsp]] I thought the original proposal that was sent to all ratepayers would have amounted to more than a tripling of water rates. Obviously, they didn't have to implement that proposal (and didn't), but that was the proposal, yes? --["Users/CovertProfessor"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-09-13 20:44:02'' [[nbsp]] There's a ton of emails flying about that, but nobody has actually proposed a ban yet. Given the various quarters it's coming in from this time around, I'm surprised nobody has yet. --["Users/JabberWokky"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-09-13 21:42:37'' [[nbsp]] I think murder is a prerequisite. Assault with a deadly weapon is a bit iffy, but it ''might'' do the trick. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-09-30 11:13:57'' [[nbsp]] Good call on that deletion. --["Users/TomGarberson"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-09-30 12:15:28'' [[nbsp]] Whitewashed, just like you wanted it from the beginning. Congratulations. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2011-09-30 16:52:38'' [[nbsp]] I think that Talk pages can be kept around because they are instructive, especially if that particular issue might arise again, and I think there is precedent for that. However, I have no stomach for reopening Strelizia discussion, so I am not going to restore the page. So, congratulations. You won. You lasted the longest. I am just expressing my extreme displeasure and disgust at your actions. And the fact that you are tying this to the completely unrelated issue of WL's banning -- who actually agrees with you about the Strelezia page -- makes your actions seem all the more arbitrary and unjustifiable. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-09-30 16:52:38CovertProfessorComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 192: </td> <td> Line 192: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-09-30 16:52:38'' [[nbsp]] I think that Talk pages can be kept around because they are instructive, especially if that particular issue might arise again, and I think there is precedent for that. However, I have no stomach for reopening Strelizia discussion, so I am not going to restore the page. So, congratulations. You won. You lasted the longest. I am just expressing my extreme displeasure and disgust at your actions. And the fact that you are tying this to the completely unrelated issue of WL's banning -- who actually agrees with you about the Strelezia page -- makes your actions seem all the more arbitrary and unjustifiable. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-09-30 12:15:28CovertProfessorComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 190: </td> <td> Line 190: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-09-30 12:15:28'' [[nbsp]] Whitewashed, just like you wanted it from the beginning. Congratulations. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-09-30 11:13:57TomGarbersonComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 188: </td> <td> Line 188: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-09-30 11:13:57'' [[nbsp]] Good call on that deletion. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-09-13 21:42:37TomGarbersonComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 186: </td> <td> Line 186: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-09-13 21:42:37'' [[nbsp]] I think murder is a prerequisite. Assault with a deadly weapon is a bit iffy, but it ''might'' do the trick. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-09-13 20:44:02JabberWokkyComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 184: </td> <td> Line 184: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-09-13 20:44:02'' [[nbsp]] There's a ton of emails flying about that, but nobody has actually proposed a ban yet. Given the various quarters it's coming in from this time around, I'm surprised nobody has yet. --["Users/JabberWokky"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-09-07 13:22:20CovertProfessorComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 182: </td> <td> Line 182: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-09-07 13:22:20'' [[nbsp]] I thought the original proposal that was sent to all ratepayers would have amounted to more than a tripling of water rates. Obviously, they didn't have to implement that proposal (and didn't), but that was the proposal, yes? --["Users/CovertProfessor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-08-12 10:30:42ScottMeehleibComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 180: </td> <td> Line 180: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-08-12 10:30:42'' [[nbsp]] Thanks Don. I really appreciate that. --["Users/ScottMeehleib"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-08-11 10:20:40BruceHansenComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 178: </td> <td> Line 178: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-08-11 10:20:40'' [[nbsp]] I don't know about the kids bikes or the anonymous notes; the other things mentioned seem true. I hope I wasn't a hater. --["Users/BruceHansen"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-08-04 14:44:57CovertProfessorComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 176: </td> <td> Line 176: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-08-04 14:44:57'' [[nbsp]] Thanks again. This tree is in a public place, but your suggestion that parents of small children and those with small dogs always need to be on the lookout for what their small ones are putting in their mouths is a good one. As you say, we can't get rid of all of the toxic plants out there. And yes, dogs excel at barfing things up. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-08-03 20:16:26CovertProfessorComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 174: </td> <td> Line 174: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-08-03 20:16:26'' [[nbsp]] Thanks for the information on Melia. If you saw a tree like that in a place where children and dogs play, would you do something about it? --["Users/CovertProfessor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-07-09 19:50:16JabberWokkyComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 172: </td> <td> Line 172: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-07-09 19:50:16'' [[nbsp]] Yeah -- Include is decidedly a "wiki thing", and not as obvious as it could be. --["Users/JabberWokky"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-07-09 16:27:50JabberWokkyComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 170: </td> <td> Line 170: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-07-09 16:27:50'' [[nbsp]] Another example would that the parrot in the NoLongerExists include is named "Its metabolical processes are of interest only to historians", a quote from the Dead Parrot sketch by Monty Python. --["Users/JabberWokky"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-07-09 16:25:52JabberWokkyComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 168: </td> <td> Line 168: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-07-09 16:25:52'' [[nbsp]] Ah ha! Normally, if you use the include statement, it hides all of that. Because the image name is typically hidden, I named them all quotes from great speeches (that's from Ike's exit speech) or obscure references as a secret surprise. Kind of like how you can sometimes find signatures or little bits of artwork on the inside of electronics when you take them apart. I'm guessing you tried to copy and paste it rather than using {{{[[Include(Departed Business)]]}}}? --["Users/JabberWokky"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-06-12 14:49:07SueHjerpeComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 166: </td> <td> Line 166: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-06-12 14:49:07'' [[nbsp]] I found that I would hit the paywall on a first attempt, then arrive there with no problem from another page. I am a subscriber, but do not get an automatic login as did before. --["Users/SueHjerpe"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-06-12 14:44:58MeggoWaffleComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 164: </td> <td> Line 164: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-06-12 14:44:58'' [[nbsp]] You'd think they would give columnists free access... --["Users/MeggoWaffle"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-06-12 13:31:21StevenDaubertComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 160: </td> <td> Line 160: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-06-12 13:31:21'' [[nbsp]] I didn't hit the paywall<br> + <br> + interesting --["Users/StevenDaubert"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-05-31 19:32:19TomGarbersonComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 158: </td> <td> Line 158: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-05-31 19:32:19'' [[nbsp]] Cool, thanks! I'll look forward to hearing your thoughts. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-05-30 14:46:00DonShor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 9: </td> <td> Line 9: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Hosts a [http://kdrt.org/node/3978 jazz show] on 95.7 FM ["KDRT"] Tuesdays from 8 - 9 pm. </td> <td> <span>+</span> Hosts a [http://kdrt.org/node/3978 jazz show] on 95.7 FM ["KDRT"] Tuesdays from 8 - 9 pm<span>, rebroadcasts Saturdays 9 - 10 pm, and via podcast at iTunes (search for KDRT)</span>. </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-05-24 10:31:13TomGarbersonComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 156: </td> <td> Line 156: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-05-24 10:31:13'' [[nbsp]] Looks like there's a drafting process getting started over at ["Welcome to the Wiki/Business Owner/Talk"] --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-05-23 19:22:22TomGarbersonComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 152: </td> <td> Line 152: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-05-23 19:22:22'' [[nbsp]] Hey Don, in light of the endless series of disputes over the last few months, do you think there's anything that should be changed, clarified, added, etc. to ["Welcome to the Wiki/Business Owner"]? Any advice you think would make it more useful to new business owners/reps?<br> + <br> + Sometime in the next few days I'm going to try and give the page a second look. I'd like to make it more readable and make it less of a wall of text. Headers, some kind of image(s), etc. I'd appreciate any input you have as to both form and content. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-05-23 11:35:30TomGarbersonUn-link dead link <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 132: </td> <td> Line 132: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2011-03-27 21:22:52'' [[nbsp]] You might want to reread my actual comment on <span>["</span>Friendly Cab/Talk<span>"]</span>... or just about every comment I've made about how the wiki is biased in many ways[[Footnote(Toward customers, towards the youth (55 and up being poorly represented). Also toward students, meaning people who are renting for the first time, living on their own for the first time, etc. and thus blaming the wrong person when things go pear shaped. It's a serious problem that there's a lack of input from whole segments of the Davis population.)]] and has a serious problem with signed text being unassailable. I've spent the last eight years defending the fact that businesses are an equal part of the wiki and should have a voice -- one that is too often muted here[[Footnote(For a variety of reasons. Charitably, it's possibly due to the few bad apples that have tried to abuse the wiki. More realistically, it may be due to an anti-commerce and anti-"The Man" kneejerk response inherent in some parts of the Davis population.)]] -- and that just because somebody signs their name shouldn't mean that the text is somehow sacred and uneditable. I find it a bit offensive you never noticed, as I'm pretty durn steady in banging this drum. --["Users/JabberWokky"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2011-03-27 21:22:52'' [[nbsp]] You might want to reread my actual comment on Friendly Cab/Talk... or just about every comment I've made about how the wiki is biased in many ways[[Footnote(Toward customers, towards the youth (55 and up being poorly represented). Also toward students, meaning people who are renting for the first time, living on their own for the first time, etc. and thus blaming the wrong person when things go pear shaped. It's a serious problem that there's a lack of input from whole segments of the Davis population.)]] and has a serious problem with signed text being unassailable. I've spent the last eight years defending the fact that businesses are an equal part of the wiki and should have a voice -- one that is too often muted here[[Footnote(For a variety of reasons. Charitably, it's possibly due to the few bad apples that have tried to abuse the wiki. More realistically, it may be due to an anti-commerce and anti-"The Man" kneejerk response inherent in some parts of the Davis population.)]] -- and that just because somebody signs their name shouldn't mean that the text is somehow sacred and uneditable. I find it a bit offensive you never noticed, as I'm pretty durn steady in banging this drum. --["Users/JabberWokky"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-05-15 21:53:38DonShor <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 152: </td> <td> Line 152: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2011-05-15 21:52:43'' [[nbsp]] The page you restored is utterly indefensible. The only reasonable explanation for your actions is that you dislike any deletion or reversion I make. Can you please stop with the obvious ad hominem reverts? It's time for you to get over whatever issues you have with me. It's getting old. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-05-15 21:52:43WilliamLewisComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 151: </td> <td> Line 151: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-05-15 21:52:43'' [[nbsp]] The page you restored is utterly indefensible. The only reasonable explanation for your actions is that you dislike any deletion or reversion I make. Can you please stop with the obvious ad hominem reverts? It's time for you to get over whatever issues you have with me. It's getting old. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-05-09 18:04:50MustangLisa05Comment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 149: </td> <td> Line 149: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-05-09 18:04:50'' [[nbsp]] Hello. I saw your comment on the Pawsitive Groomers page and I want to thank you for commenting towards that guy. I also wanted to tell you that everyone connected to Pawsitive Groomers is ignoring him and his comments. We are trying to move on and he keeps harassing us like you have seen on those pages. There is no back and forth thing going on it's just him commenting and etc. --["Users/MustangLisa05"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-05-07 17:38:35DagonJonesComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 147: </td> <td> Line 147: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-05-07 17:38:35'' [[nbsp]] I spoke to Jaberwokky about forming a small group of business owners to help handle disputes and provide outreach to new business wiki editors. I am happy to help and would love to be a part of all that. Let me know what you had in mind. --["Users/DagonJones"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-05-02 09:55:07TomGarbersonComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 145: </td> <td> Line 145: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-05-02 09:55:07'' [[nbsp]] How's business going these days, Don? Does tomato season bring on a boom? I can't remember if I reported back in about my hanging tomato, but it was a miserable failure. The plant grew just fine, but it only produced one tiny tomato. Oh, and those pictures of the Topsy-Turvy, with a tomato plant that looks like it's just growing normally, but upside down? Complete BS. The thing grows upwards - leaves flip over, and the branches grow around all sides of the pot upward. The ones they put on TV are obviously grown right side up, then flipped over for the photo shoot. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-04-30 13:22:11CovertProfessorComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 143: </td> <td> Line 143: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-04-30 13:22:11'' [[nbsp]] Good call on deleting the email addresses... I didn't even notice that. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-04-24 19:06:47JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 142: </td> <td> Line 142: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2011-04-24 19:05:54'' [[nbsp]] Pseudonym is a good way to put it. I refer to it as accountability: an anonymous account can be accountable (CP) or not. <span>A few</span> people who edit under slight variations of their names or first name/last initial are certainly accountable... people who know them recognize their wiki accounts. Anonymous accounts tend to have a higher proportion of unaccountable editors, but the two are distinct things, one causing problems, the other not. The occasional joke or gag account don't really cause problems, so those aren't an issue either (in my view). --["Users/JabberWokky"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2011-04-24 19:05:54'' [[nbsp]] Pseudonym is a good way to put it. I refer to it as accountability: an anonymous account can be accountable (CP) or not. <span>The</span> people who edit under slight variations of their names or first name/last initial are certainly accountable... people who know them recognize their wiki accounts. Anonymous accounts tend to have a higher proportion of unaccountable editors, but the two are distinct things, one causing problems, the other not. The occasional joke or gag account don't really cause problems, so those aren't an issue either (in my view). --["Users/JabberWokky"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-04-24 19:05:54JabberWokkyComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 141: </td> <td> Line 141: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-04-24 19:05:54'' [[nbsp]] Pseudonym is a good way to put it. I refer to it as accountability: an anonymous account can be accountable (CP) or not. A few people who edit under slight variations of their names or first name/last initial are certainly accountable... people who know them recognize their wiki accounts. Anonymous accounts tend to have a higher proportion of unaccountable editors, but the two are distinct things, one causing problems, the other not. The occasional joke or gag account don't really cause problems, so those aren't an issue either (in my view). --["Users/JabberWokky"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-04-20 17:08:40JabberWokkyComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 139: </td> <td> Line 139: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-04-20 17:08:40'' [[nbsp]] Whups, meant to close the bold at the end of the message. Thanks for catching it. --["Users/JabberWokky"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-04-18 07:19:59Wes-PComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 137: </td> <td> Line 137: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-04-18 07:19:59'' [[nbsp]] Fixed Don, wasn't trying to make it confusing. Thanks for pointing it out. --["Users/Wes-P"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-03-28 22:09:37TomGarbersonComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 135: </td> <td> Line 135: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-03-28 22:09:37'' [[nbsp]] A language filter would probably be better discussed on a different page... the ban proposal has nothing to do with Josh's language, despite the fact that several people have focused exclusively on that issue in opposing a ban. I suspect a filter would meet a lot of opposition is a blanket thing, but as a feature that could be turned on or off in the new software it might come in handy for making wikis (Davis and others) more family-friendly. --["Users/TomGarberson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-03-27 21:51:25JabberWokkyComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 133: </td> <td> Line 133: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-03-27 21:51:25'' [[nbsp]] No problem. I was worried my position wasn't clear, which was particularly frustrating at this juncture when the topic is actually openly being discussed. --["Users/JabberWokky"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-03-27 21:26:13JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 132: </td> <td> Line 132: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2011-03-27 21:22:52'' [[nbsp]] You might want to reread my actual comment on ["Friendly Cab/Talk"]... or just about every comment I've made about how the wiki is biased and has a serious problem with signed text being unassailable. I've spent the last eight years defending the fact that businesses are an equal part of the wiki and should have a voice -- one that is too often muted here[[Footnote(For a variety of reasons. Charitably, it's possibly due to the few bad apples that have tried to abuse the wiki. More realistically, it may be due to an anti-commerce and anti-"The Man" kneejerk response inherent in some parts of the Davis population.)]] -- and that just because somebody signs their name shouldn't mean that the text is somehow sacred and uneditable. I find it a bit offensive you never noticed, as I'm pretty durn steady in banging this drum. --["Users/JabberWokky"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2011-03-27 21:22:52'' [[nbsp]] You might want to reread my actual comment on ["Friendly Cab/Talk"]... or just about every comment I've made about how the wiki is biased <span>in many ways[[Footnote(Toward customers, towards the youth (55 and up being poorly represented). Also toward students, meaning people who are renting for the first time, living on their own for the first time, etc. and thus blaming the wrong person when things go pear shaped. It's a serious problem that there's a lack of input from whole segments of the Davis population.)]] </span>and has a serious problem with signed text being unassailable. I've spent the last eight years defending the fact that businesses are an equal part of the wiki and should have a voice -- one that is too often muted here[[Footnote(For a variety of reasons. Charitably, it's possibly due to the few bad apples that have tried to abuse the wiki. More realistically, it may be due to an anti-commerce and anti-"The Man" kneejerk response inherent in some parts of the Davis population.)]] -- and that just because somebody signs their name shouldn't mean that the text is somehow sacred and uneditable. I find it a bit offensive you never noticed, as I'm pretty durn steady in banging this drum. --["Users/JabberWokky"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-03-27 21:22:52JabberWokkyComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 131: </td> <td> Line 131: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-03-27 21:22:52'' [[nbsp]] You might want to reread my actual comment on ["Friendly Cab/Talk"]... or just about every comment I've made about how the wiki is biased and has a serious problem with signed text being unassailable. I've spent the last eight years defending the fact that businesses are an equal part of the wiki and should have a voice -- one that is too often muted here[[Footnote(For a variety of reasons. Charitably, it's possibly due to the few bad apples that have tried to abuse the wiki. More realistically, it may be due to an anti-commerce and anti-"The Man" kneejerk response inherent in some parts of the Davis population.)]] -- and that just because somebody signs their name shouldn't mean that the text is somehow sacred and uneditable. I find it a bit offensive you never noticed, as I'm pretty durn steady in banging this drum. --["Users/JabberWokky"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-03-21 23:17:24JasonAllerComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 129: </td> <td> Line 129: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-03-21 23:17:24'' [[nbsp]] Don, a good magician never reveals his tricks... but there is always someone willing to [http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/200b/index.htm spill the beans] of how the trick was performed. It wasn't logging into anyone else's account, but creating an account that appeared to be the same to anyone looking at just the name. The name is one character longer, but the vast majority of browsers won't display that character. The woman however was really sawed in half and then real magic was used to put her back together. --["Users/JasonAller"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-03-21 18:23:38Wes-PComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 127: </td> <td> Line 127: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-03-21 18:23:38'' [[nbsp]] Please see the ["Wiki Community/Accusations/Talk"] page. --["Users/Wes-P"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-03-21 13:31:08EdWinsComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 125: </td> <td> Line 125: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-03-21 13:31:08'' [[nbsp]] Then I truly apologize. I was HOPING that was the case, but again, I was editing while upset and it was a bit hard to tell. I'll adjust my comment. --["Users/EdWins"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-03-21 13:27:15EdWinsComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 123: </td> <td> Line 123: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-03-21 13:27:15'' [[nbsp]] And although I'm honestly upset, I'm not specifically mad at you at a personal level, merely the overall situation and the lead-up, as I wrote on the talk page. Your comment was just one among many, although the trivialization of a potential sex crime as theft of what was probably a $5 fare was rather insulting, which is why I singled that part out in my commentary. (Again, as I said, go read the talk page edit by edit through the Info tab. It's rather illustrative) --["Users/EdWins"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-03-21 13:25:29DavidPlacenciaComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 121: </td> <td> Line 121: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-03-21 13:25:29'' [[nbsp]] definitely not wished. --["Users/DavidPlacencia"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-03-21 13:22:57EdWinsComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 104: </td> <td> Line 104: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-03-21 13:22:57'' [[nbsp]] The entirety of your comment was "This is a very serious charge. A young woman pretended to be drunk and defrauded a cab company of its fare. The driver was complicit in this fraud. Both should be cited for theft, and then this whole page should disappear from the Davis Wiki."<br> + <br> + My paraphrase/response, for reference, "'No she PRETENDED to be drunk and "defrauded" the cab company' [wow, really? Screw that. If that's the case, and the guy was just hoodwinked and bamboozled he's completely scott-free for the fondling/groping? 'Sorry guys, she tricked me! How did I know she wasn't actually drunk when I was groping her? She defrauded me! Just more passenger hijinks. Let's delete it from the anti-business wiki, this is a non-issue, just cite me for 'theft' of a five buck fare"<br> + <br> + I'm not sure what I missed of your comment, as it's rather short. Shall we go through it together?<br> + <br> + Sentence 1: it's serious, (check, I mentioned that, though not explicitly in the quoted part above)<br> + Sentence 2A: She pretended to be drunk (I mentioned that).<br> + Sentence 2B: she defrauded a cab company (I mentioned that).<br> + Sentence 3: the cab driver was complicit (I mentioned that).<br> + Sentence 4A: Both should be cited for theft (You're right, I erred here).<br> + Sentence 4B: comment should dissapear from the wiki. (I mentioned that).<br> + <br> + So yes, I did seem to miss a part of your comment, in sentence 4A. I forgot to mention that SHE should also be cited, as my commentary only addressed the driver. However, maybe I missed sentence 5 and beyond, as I didn't see any mention in yours of the drivers inappropriate conduct (a BEST case scenario, assuming a consensual relationship). Cause that would be pretty inappropriate to do even to your own wife, in public, much less while on duty? Right?<br> + <br> + Yes, the wiki often comes across as anti-business. That's not the point here. Please re-read your comment and re-read the talk page. The wiki's stance on other business pages doesn't excuse completely swiping an alleged sexual based crime under the rug and trivializing it as petty theft. That was the point I was getting at in my angsty rant. --["Users/EdWins"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-03-21 12:38:55JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 103: </td> <td> Line 103: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2011-03-21 12:33:39'' [[nbsp]] By the way, your comment isn't what caused me to delete the Talk page. The general lack of progress toward any kind of actual resolution did. Your point is actually really important, and something I worry about a great deal. --["Users/JabberWokky"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2011-03-21 12:33:39'' [[nbsp]] By the way, your comment isn't what caused me to delete the Talk page. The general lack of progress toward any kind of actual resolution did. Your point is actually really important, and something I worry about a great deal. <span>&nbsp;Judging from some of the phone conversations and emails I've traded back and forth with people off-wiki, we're not alone in worrying about how the nature of consensus decisions can smother views. The fact that conversation about this particular topic seems to always take place off-wiki is either a symptom or a contributing part of the problem. </span>--["Users/JabberWokky"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-03-21 12:33:39JabberWokkyComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 102: </td> <td> Line 102: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-03-21 12:33:39'' [[nbsp]] By the way, your comment isn't what caused me to delete the Talk page. The general lack of progress toward any kind of actual resolution did. Your point is actually really important, and something I worry about a great deal. --["Users/JabberWokky"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-03-12 18:58:01Wes-PComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 100: </td> <td> Line 100: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-03-12 17:58:01'' [[nbsp]] May not be an actual rash, but it sure has been annoying for years. ;) --["Users/Wes-P"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-02-19 19:23:25CovertProfessorComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 98: </td> <td> Line 98: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-02-19 18:23:25'' [[nbsp]] Sure. --["Users/CovertProfessor"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-02-19 17:31:33WilliamLewisComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 96: </td> <td> Line 96: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-02-19 16:31:33'' [[nbsp]] Please do not deintegrate the info on the ["Chipotle"] page. What you moved isn't even opinion, so I can't see any argument for putting it down at the bottom of the page, attributed so nobody else can edit and improve it. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-02-08 00:20:56hankimComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 94: </td> <td> Line 94: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-02-07 23:20:56'' [[nbsp]] Ah thanks. Felt a bit weird that they were closed on Superbowl Sunday so I thought something terrible happened. --["Users/hankim"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-02-07 17:25:15JabberWokkyComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 92: </td> <td> Line 92: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-02-07 16:25:15'' [[nbsp]] Could you email me, Don? I'm in a tight project, ignoring email right now, but I'd like to get your input on some things soon. I think I might have your email, but I'm not certain. --["Users/JabberWokky"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-02-07 16:28:37hankimComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 90: </td> <td> Line 90: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-02-07 15:28:37'' [[nbsp]] The only positive review was the Korean restaurant. I hope this is not from a representative of the restaurant, because that means there are practically no honest Korean restaurants in town. --["Users/hankim"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> Users/DonShorhttp://daviswiki.org/Users/DonShor2011-02-01 17:38:25JabberWokkyComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Users/DonShor<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 88: </td> <td> Line 88: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2011-02-01 16:38:25'' [[nbsp]] [http://daviswiki.org/2009?action=diff&amp;date=1296589376 I was wondering about the same thing]. --["Users/JabberWokky"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div>