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''2010-07-31 07:56:07'' [[nbsp]] Last night I saw three shadowy figures. One was only visible in the limelight, one was wearing a mask, and the last danced as though they thought that they could not be seen. It was like watching the opening act of an undiscovered Shakespearean tradgedy that had been typed by the oft mentioned primate typing pool. I cringed for it was badly acted, and the ending was too obvious; it was like watching two old thieves recruit a young cutpurse for the gallows. They themselves lived in that middle ground of the shadows where they were not truly either capable of avoiding the light or living totally in the dark. There was almost a sense of a vampiric feeding to the manner in which the elder pair descended, perhaps not unlike they were recruiting for the army of the shadows and the young cutpurse was seen as fresh blood. --["Users/JasonAller"]

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[gnome]Evan Edwards, well known as JabberWokky (I get regular postal mail addressed to JabberWokky, I'm registered to vote with the ID JabberWokky, and my wife calls me Wokky). I can be identified thusly: A rather large fellow of Scot-Irish ancestry. Long red-brown hair (only visibly red in good sunlight), a very full beard. I always wear black jeans and either black sweaters (winter) or Hawaiian shirts (summer). Often you can see a bronze Hand of Eris pendant around my neck. In winter (and sometimes in summer), I wear a large black trench coat. My laptop, eddie, is a MacBook Pro 7,1 running Linux. I'm friendly, meaning I only bite if you're cute and ask nicely. One easy identifier is my black hat, technically an outback hat, which is somewhat like a large fedora. It sometimes has my band of pinbacks on it.

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Note that Sarah is in the early years of her chemistry research career, and so we've been in exile from Davis for the past several years as she was in the program at Penn State. We're moving to Nashville in early August 2010, as she's been offered a faculty position at Vanderbilt. We'd like to have her get her tenured professorship at a short list of institutions, with UC Davis at or near the top (of course, Vanderbilt is now on the list, and we're looking forward to getting to know the Vandy community). Between family and friends, we've been making back to visit every two years. Why am I so involved in the Wiki? Davis was our home, and we'd like it to be again. Sarah will be a professor of chemistry, we like small university towns and we already know we love Davis.

After Davis, Sarah obtained her doctorate from Penn State. If you are looking to become a grad student at Penn State in State College, Pennsylvania (or move here for any other reason), contact us with any questions you might have. Penn State is much larger than UC Davis, but it is an ag school, and you'll see similar traits but with greater resources (important for grad students) and with an East Coast flavor to the population (which is worth living among to get a feel for different viewpoints).

If you know of a good research University that has a chemistry program and is in a town similar in tenor and tone to Davis, let us know. We're looking now (we started our "where will we live the rest of our lives until Sarah is emeritus, and I'm playing Santa Claus at the Farmer's Market" quest on June 2009). Other than Davis, Chapel Hill, Berkeley and our new home at Vanderbilt are in the mix.


ePuppet.pngAlternate universe version. Note the lack of beard, indicating this is the 'Good Universe' JabberWokky. Likely a sockpuppet for David Poole, like most other users on the wiki. Of course, it is also documented fact that he is Jason Aller, so perhaps Jason is also a sockpuppet. Regardless, he prefers, being a Henson fan, to be referred to as a "sockmuppet". He is in full favor of, and thinks it would be "spiffy keen" to see some DavisWiki fanfic. His attention to detail is appreciated, as the wiki keeps informing him.


An Artist's Rendition

A note about the name: Yes, people call me Jabber, Wokky and JabberWokky in real life (including my SO, who tends to use the more popular "Wokky"). Yes, it started life as a reference before the web existed, and it started out intentionally misspelled. I camelCap it for ease of use. I get magazines sent to "Wokky, Jabber", and have gotten credit card offers to Mr. Jabber Wokky. Yes, people call me Evan as well. Note that as long as this account has existed, the redirect EvanEdwards has existed. In 2006 and 2008, I officially voted using it, having registered as a voter using the name. Cheap Thrills is more than a Big Brother album. Woo.

Enjoys celebrating odd holidays, some SubGenius, some invented by oddball people. International Panic Day (June 18th) is celebrated by roasting (what else?) a DUCK!

Yes, he can lose his patience on and with the wiki. ;-P One tip he's discovered is that if a controversial or pointed reply, comment or edit is worth making, it'll be fine to type it up, read through it, then copy and paste it into a text file to read, edit and choose to post (or not) the next day. If it's really worth saying, it's going to be perfectly okay if it waits a day. That's especially important if you've been woken up at 1:15am by an alarm, and are sitting reading through Recent Changes while you wait for a database check to finish, half asleep. This comment, on the other hand should be safe. Right?

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Often plays around with stuff (like the Wiki!) to break it. Then drinks more iced coffee in triumph. THEN fixes it.tar zxf

Amazing Value!

Now you can purchase your own jabberwokky at [WWW]!

Wiki Classics

Proposal for a Radical Change

Here's a new proposal for the home page:
Bizarro World               Drom's Comics and Cards


Comic is Creative Commons By-NC [WWW]

"Hey there, viewer! Do you want YOUR wiki entry to be padded out, fully documented and have an image gallery to put Picnic Day to shame? Well then, just delete it, claim you want to keep it hush hush, and watch it *fly* across the Recent Changes as an army of people update that puppy to the world's leading resource and the number one Google return!"

KDE and the Wiki

Konqueror Web Shortcut for the Wiki Search:{@}&action=inlinesearch&button_new.x=0&context=40

Konqueror Web Shortcut for the Wiki:{@}

Go to Settings, Configure Konqueror, Web Shortcuts and paste the above line and pick a shortcut. I use dw. Then you can use URLs like dw:JabberWokky to either jump directly to an entry or to search for the term.

Where to Hide a Dead Body on the Wiki

The Wiki provides a rich and cluttered environment ideal for the surreptitious disposal of formerly living entities. These FLEs can be placed in a wide variety of entries including, but not limited to:

Random Wiki Nonsense

Ten Random Links

Five Random People

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146178545882004-12-07 13:55:082014-10-23 23:44:14Users/ConstantiaOomen

Someone who keeps aloof from suffering
is not a lover. I choose your love
above all else. As for wealth
if that comes, or goes, so be it.
Wealth and love inhabit separate worlds.

But as long as you live here inside me,
I cannot say that I'm suffering.

Deleted Talk Pages

On 8.24.05 I cleaned out some Talk pages for entries that had become stable. Since the format for Talk pages has changed, here are the "missing entries":

Brent pointed out Talk:Cost Plus World Market and Wiki Court.

I left a few that were newish or active.

Deleted by ES on 2005-12-5

one minute of downtime

Describe that minute of downtime here.

it just occurred, and it was *terrible*

I wanted the wiki now, but I had to wait

sometimes i have to rip the band-aid off really quickly. it hurts, but it's for your own good.PhilipNeustrom

The excitement was hard to take! What would the new thing be? Would it be award-winning?? —CovertProfessor

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karl.and.tomas.jpgDid you know Mike and Philip's ancestors worked together as innovators?

Adventures in GPSing.jpgJason uses high technology while maintaining his simian roots. Or branches, as the case may be.

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2010-03-20 10:17:58   Ooh, a clean slate! Time to muddy it a bit! —TomGarberson

2010-03-20 14:22:01   I did look at the changes somewhat and I've looked again. I saw that you used "Town History"; that was a good fix for the "History" link. And you edited the "People" page for keeping it as the link. I was expecting that there would be a link that would be more about the people of Davis. The Wiki Users aren't very forthcoming with information about us. You are more of an exception. —BruceHansen

2010-03-20 21:14:04   There's something to be developed "for sure".

I don't know about this procedure where a comment goes on one user's page and then that user reciprocates. One doesn't see the dialog in one place. —BruceHansen

2010-03-22 10:19:29   angelaclarkis the current IHOP manager. Hopefully she can get back to you with the dates. —ARWENNHOLD

2010-03-23 15:06:05   yeah, I don't mind at all if you move it. —ScottMeehleib

2010-03-23 16:33:58   Good luck to her! —EdWins

Best of luck to Sarah!! I still remember what a relief it was to have that done. Extra kudos to you for supporting her. —cp

2010-03-24 08:41:42   Yeah, I wouldn't say that politics in general is a con game. But I do think that lately, Republicans have been doing an amazing job of convincing a certain segment of the population that tax cuts will help them (when they won't) and that the Republicans care about issues like abortion and gay marriage (when they're really just dangling those issues in front of people to gain adherents). And of course, the most recent con was that our current health care system (prior to recent events) was actually working for people. —CovertProfessor

2010-03-24 18:59:33   Does your mother have problems bathing herself? Clothing herself? Using stairs? Does she have mental illness that prevents her from running errands? —WilliamLewis

2010-03-24 19:02:47   Examples of the highly invasive questions on the American Community Survey. If some people don't believe those questions are invasive, I'd argue they have no sense of modesty. —WilliamLewis

2010-03-24 19:06:27   You used the neutral language "could be considered" when it is quite clear that the questions are invasive. —WilliamLewis

2010-03-24 20:08:25   [WWW]Agreed, though I am not sure that the sentence is as clear as it could be yet. And I am also curious about how they handle students in the dorms. —CovertProfessor

2010-03-24 20:26:40   It would be a useful link to put on the Invasive Species page. My opinion is that Helxine is unlikely to establish in non-garden areas here in the Sacramento Valley. It's more of a "garden thug," to use a British term. I've thought about reworking the Invasive Species page some more, but it's a pretty controversial topic between nursery folks and conservationists. Nevertheless, I may wade into it again at some point. —DonShor

2010-03-25 12:41:12   Haha! I'll have to put that Pink Flamingos on my Netflix queue. It looks delightfully disturbing. —ScottMeehleib

2010-03-26 17:48:27   [WWW]Caddyshack! —CovertProfessor

2010-03-26 21:02:34   "It's no big deal." —CovertProfessor

2010-03-28 08:40:25   Well, now it looks kind of odd. Wes is the only former employee mentioned, he doesn't apparently work anywhere comics-related (as far as we know), so the only purpose in retaining the information seems to be to link to the controversy. I have many former employees who have gone off to start their own gardening/landscaping businesses, whom I would be happy to list and link, but it would seem pointless to list the ones who now are gone or work in unrelated professions. "Wes Pierce is a former employee" just looks random. Perhaps we should ask Wes and Dan what they would prefer at this point. —DonShor

2010-03-28 11:26:57   Like you, I am concerned about history being removed from the wiki. And I don't really understand the reasons being given for doing it. I never thought that the fact that Wes was working for Bizarro World was the reason for the link in the first place. —CovertProfessor

2010-03-28 13:02:14   Cute. You removed factual stuff from the Green Party page though. (The stuff on the other pages appears to be advertising.) It doesn't read as advertising because it says "This is what we did in the past", or "These are the goals we promote". This is different from the other page because that page states what it is trying to promote as fact, rather than as a goal or something similar. —IDoNotExist

2010-03-28 13:08:41   Stop, please —IDoNotExist

2010-03-28 13:09:52   It's getting silly... —IDoNotExist

2010-03-28 13:19:40   What is IDNE? Pretty sure that you're not referring to "Inertial Doppler Navigation Equipment"... —KemblePope

2010-03-28 13:23:57   Perhaps he is referring to [WWW]Intertial Dampeners... —IDoNotExist

2010-03-28 13:40:28   Oh my. One would hope that the victim had not eaten prunes the night before. :) On the other hand, that's nothing that rerouting power through the isolinear optical chips to collimate an inverse tachyon beam wouldn't cure... —IDoNotExist

2010-03-28 13:49:31   I think Wikipedia links could be useful in the first paragraph for those who just want a quick link to additional information. —hankim

2010-03-28 14:01:24   I'm sure they would have one around the campus somewhere, given the quality of the [WWW]FoodIDoNotExist

2010-03-28 17:20:53   Along with NickSchmalenberger's points, I personally like Wikipedia because they attempt to maintain some amount of neutrality on subjects while providing basic information on them. —hankim

2010-03-28 17:51:04   There's really room for both: Facts: Burgers and Brew serves burgers. And brew. Times. Phone. etc. This is good. Increases the value of the page.

Opinions: I love/hate it. Whatever. Individual opinions are REALLY valuable here. But we know they are opinions, so they carry weight in that way. This increases the value of the page.

Advertising: We're Burgers and Brew. We have the best burgers! - Not good. Makes the wiki into an ad platform. Decreases the trustworthiness of the information on it.

Advertising or opinion presented as facts: Burgers and Brew serves the best burgers in Davis. And brew. Times. Phone. etc. This is bad because one opinion (that of the owner) has become the dominant theme in the facts about the subject of the page. Essentially, that makes it the consensus view of the community, when it is not. This makes the information less trustworthy.

This is why they need to be separate. Both types of information are valuable. But confusing the two makes the Wiki less reliable as an information source. —IDoNotExist

2010-03-28 18:06:43   Symposium is mostly a good entry, although there are one or two things in the top portion that are clearly subjective. For example, saying that it is a "good restaurant" is subjective. (I think most people in Davis who have eaten there would agree with it, but it's still subjective.) But most of the entry describes the experience and quality of service there. That's factual - assuming that it is normally true for most people who visit it. But maybe it is better to say it's a restaurant and then let people decide if it is good by reading the comments.

It might be nice to add some sort of objective ratings system here. Several categories:
Quality of food
Quality of service

People could give individual ratings of 0-5 stars, with the average and distribution shown at the top. That's much more objective. In fact, that's how Consumer Reports summarizes information about products it reviews. —IDoNotExist

2010-03-28 20:12:22   Great idea! I'll do that shortly. —DonShor

2010-03-30 15:42:39   I hate you for catching that. —EdWins

2010-03-31 03:52:16   Sure. But [WWW]seriously. That's all I'm sayin'. —EdHenn

2010-03-31 13:18:15   The scans total 150 MB. It could probably be a lot smaller if I stitched the images together. The scanner is unable to scan an entire page at once, so I took a scan of the top and of the bottom of each page. I'm going to go back and rescan some stuff because some of it is unreadable... especially the notorious last issue.

Oh, here's a fun quote from the last issue...
"We are done! We have wrote the last line! We have pressed the last sheet! Our pilgrimage is o'er. None have done more for the prosperity of Davisville than us; and none have done less to help than you. We are through! Voila!"

2010-04-01 23:55:42   It's going out! —IDoNotExist

2010-04-02 00:00:48   Nice~ —IDoNotExist

2010-04-02 00:08:27   I enjoyed watching the sunset... —IDoNotExist

2010-04-02 20:32:51   The et ligature (&) has a long and glorious history. Heretic! —WilliamLewis

2010-04-05 14:40:09   Hi Evan. I was wondering how do I go about starting a new page? Hertz is another rental car company located in Davis and they aren't on daviswiki yet. —geezlouisexyz

2010-04-05 15:18:57   I thought some of the other info on the page might be helpful... isn't that why we have those pages? If they're too long, perhaps we should shorten them? —CovertProfessor

2010-04-06 07:43:14   Spontaneous combustion... so underrated! —TomGarberson

2010-04-06 14:49:30   Okay, let me know if you find the entry. I've seen several names for the same committee so it's very possible that I somehow missed it on the search. And if it's in a member entry by chance, it would probably be a good thing to pull out into its own space] —ScottMeehleib

2010-04-06 21:58:55   Haha, I just saw [WWW]this. Great edit! —NickSchmalenberger

2010-04-09 10:00:25   If you don't mind, I'd like to create at least a brief page for the State Farm Promotion Committee soon. Mainly, I want readers to be able to find a listing of the people who were a part of the committee linked from the town history page. We could always merge and/or delete any info I add if we find some previously-existing stuff later. —ScottMeehleib

Was eaten mid April by an iPad and a collection of eBooks downloaded over the years with (at the time) no good way to read them. He may never be seen again. Or sleep.

2010-04-13 12:39:45   Silliness, perhaps, but inquiring minds still want to know! —CovertProfessor

2010-04-18 10:45:16   What's with the "last day online" wiki logo? A reference to today's BBQ? A late April Fool's? —JonathanLawton

2010-04-20 20:55:23   You know, the logo took me a minute :) —PhilipNeustrom

2010-04-20 22:17:06   Woooooo! I feel an Uncle Ben moment coming on. With great power... —TomGarberson

2010-04-21 10:20:03   According to a Unitrans bus driver, JabberWokky is now a codeword for J, as in the J-line. Congratulations, bus loads of people heard your wikiname today during the last-call! :-D —RyanMikulovsky

2010-04-26 09:40:17   Ha! Perfect. —CovertProfessor

2010-05-01 21:00:52   Sadly your prediction didn't pan out. Usually your predictions are pretty good, but this one just missed. —JasonAller

2010-05-02 14:15:06   I like the idea of a "fingertanning citadel" (from a footnote on CP's page). Makes me giggle as I imagine a series of archaically clad thumbs (Thumb Wars) walking past guards in order to tan. —EdWins

2010-05-04 20:16:11   I think you're mispronouncing it. —CovertProfessor

2010-05-04 20:28:25   I just submitted a large patch to a software project where I was forcedToRenameAllMyVariablesAsSo —WesHardaker

2010-05-04 21:09:48   Ah, well, if you would like to revert it, by all means feel free. My eyes stopped on the word for one second too long and my OCD kicked in :/ —EBT

2010-05-04 21:30:34   Well, I wasn't suggesting that you *change* the link — I am a great admirer of your defense of all things whimsical on the wiki (and today you beat me to restoring the "black humor," too). The fried mozzarella triangles sound yummy, as does the beer pairing... enjoy the East coast delights while you can, before you make your way back west. One of the downsides of moving around is that you are always missing one cuisine or other! —CovertProfessor

2010-05-05 08:12:04   thanks for deleting sincerely.. she suffers from communication, anger, ego ... I don't know how else to reply u since I find this website confusing .. so I wrote here.. delete this too after u read
thanks —Sushmita

2010-05-05 08:17:44   & I did not want to post that there in reply to hers actually thanks take care —Sushmita

2010-05-10 10:25:49   So, your #7 is an enhanced #6, is that correct? —CovertProfessor

2010-05-10 14:16:15   Hmm. I suspect, though, that people aren't understanding it, because I have a hard time seeing why anyone who voted for 6 wouldn't also want your proposed 7. Maybe if you explained it in more detail above and gave it a label, you might get more adherents. (I am still thinking about my "vote," being pulled in a couple of different directions at the moment — but it seems to me as though more tools are always better). —CovertProfessor

2010-05-10 14:30:29   Thanks for the clarification, but I think the original "Flag new edits" discussed on the page was a proposal concerning flagging on the Recent Changes page only. —CovertProfessor

2010-05-10 15:36:56   Hmm... I don't see that proposal on the page (not that I don't believe you that it's on there somewhere!). But I was referring to the proposal under the Heading "Flag new edits approach" — which only says something about highlights in Recent Changes. I suspect that people who voted for #6 were voting for that, and it's why I thought your #7 was just an enhanced #6. —CovertProfessor

2010-05-10 16:51:52   Yeah, I figured you were busy. I took at stab at clarifying, and also, took your advice about the numbering. —CovertProfessor

2010-05-11 07:46:49   Hey JW, regarding the do-nothing option, saying is was like option seven without the tools was confusing because option seven said it was like six. Option six flags edits which the do-nothing option wouldn't have, yeah? —jefftolentino

2010-05-11 08:27:24   I see. Saying its like seven (which is like six with tools), but without tools (which are added in seven), makes it sound like six, yeah? I just thought do-nothing should be self-explanitory. —jefftolentino

2010-05-11 08:54:23   :) Yeah, I'm thinking the gnome tools are getting a pretty good pull anyway. —jefftolentino

2010-05-11 17:12:04   Ah, I see, thanks for the info. —EBT

2010-05-12 15:17:08   I agree that Dagon meant it all in fun, and I can see what he means about the sketch — perhaps I'm being a bit sensitive, but seeing myself as the unabomber definitely caught me off guard. And yeah, I'm not crazy about the title or the page in general, either. I've never wanted to encourage making my identity a guessing game, given that I'd rather it be kept a secret. But I'm trying to be a good sport about it. —CovertProfessor

2010-05-12 15:23:02   Argh, you've figured me out!!! I am indeed The Doctor. Only the TV shows have it all wrong... the Tardis is really a phone booth. Perhaps you've seen mine around town. —CovertProfessor

2010-05-12 15:27:34   Yes, that's the one. —CovertProfessor

2010-05-13 09:50:13   Ah, ok. How "helpful." It seems to infect phone numbers, for some reason. —CovertProfessor

2010-05-14 08:46:42   Hope your head is better! Sorry, missed the spammer. —TomGarberson

2010-05-14 09:02:55   Blerg, yeah, migraines suck. I've started getting a few a year lately. Used to get them very, very rarely. On the plus side, the fireworks show beforehand is pretty fun... —TomGarberson

2010-05-14 09:17:31   Eh, part of the game, right? People still seem to think the best defense is an offense. —CovertProfessor

2010-05-14 09:23:12   Just saw the comment about the migraine... hope you're feeling better now. —CovertProfessor

2010-05-14 11:07:18   Editing in the shower seems like a good reason to go for one of those military grade laptops. —hankim

2010-05-14 11:13:29   If you slip and fall while editing in the shower, can I get dibbs on your iPad or is that the sort of thing that'll go to Sarah by default? Even though I bet she didn't call dibbs... —ES

2010-05-14 11:15:04   A touch-pad compatible bag with a zipper? —hankim

2010-05-14 11:54:49   A local wouldn't be editing from the Philippines. —WilliamLewis

2010-05-14 12:04:13   JW, you've always supported my right to be anonymous, but I know your preference is for non-anonymity, as your comment on BrianOrr's page suggests. So, let me make an offer that I have thought of making many times before. If you think my presence on the wiki does more harm than good (by encouraging other people to be anonymous or making anonymity seem OK) then I will stop editing. Harming the wiki would certainly go against my reasons for being here. And frankly, you'd be doing me a favor, since there are many other things that I can and should be doing. —CovertProfessor

2010-05-14 14:44:05   That may have been the best I've ever seen that sentiment said. Good job! —EdWins

2010-05-14 16:23:47   JW, thanks for your explanation — it does make sense to me. And as I said, you've always supported my right to be anonymous. I just wondered how you thought the harms and benefits weighed out. I guess what caught me off guard was your giving such a congenial reply to someone who, imo, was behaving quite badly. That, combined with your views on the importance of community, made me wonder. But I understand, and agree, that you can't get into complexities with new editors and so you just give them the simple answer. (I also understand that you are probably a bit more even-tempered than I am). I also agree that being anonymous limits the things I can do to some extent — I can't call anyone on the phone, I can't show up to a wiki BBQ, etc. And yeah, when people don't "know" me (wiki-wise) they might not give my words as much weight. I feel bad about all of these things but also feel that there's not much I can do about them. If I taught at Sac State I think that things might be a little different.

TG and ES, thanks for your comments, too. It's good to hear that other people understand my reasons. It assures me that I am not just being paranoid. :) And I had not thought about the fact that people who are going to behave badly under an anonymous name are likely to behave badly whether or not they see other anonymous names around. I do think that there might be some sort of effect — lots of RealNames encourage more RealNames, whereas lots of anonymous names encourage more anonymous names. But as JW said, the problem is more the correlation between anonymity and the bad behavior than the anonymity itself.

Anyway, looks like I can't use you all as a way to get myself to focus on my other tasks more. Back to my unreliable self-control mechanisms. —CovertProfessor

2010-05-14 17:40:33   Yep, I think all of that is right, and I commend you for it. I will say for myself that although I am quick to anger, I am also quick to forgive, and tend to give lots of chances. The one concern I have with responding positively to negative behavior is that in some cases it can serve to validate or perpetuate the behavior. For example, BrianOrr could interpret your response as saying that he was OK to behave as he did. (Or, as you say, it could give him a graceful way out — it's hard to know how a person will react). And I think a certain other Brian also felt enabled to continue his bad behavior every time someone showed him a little bit of sympathy. But hey, I'm happy that we have a good cop around here; it lets me be the bad cop occasionally. ;-) —CovertProfessor

2010-05-17 00:08:27   You have lost your [WWW]bet. —hankim

2010-05-19 14:10:01   Thanks JaberWokky... I prefer my version... and anyway, one doesn't "read" The Pepper Peddler or Capay Organics! —KemblePope

2010-05-20 10:26:48   Dixon —JoePomidor

2010-05-20 17:58:37   Mr. JaberWokky...we're just a fun-loving management team that had a good day today. :) Today, we got to welcome 3 new households to our property for September move-ins. Meeting people is always fun for us. We're a people loving team; that's what makes us great at what we do. Though, the espresso machine in our lobby probably doesn't hurt things either. ;) But, if the community ever has a preference about out use of punctuation or bold font, please just let us know. Like I said, we're a people pleasing bunch. So, we're generally happy to comply. —ChautauquaManagement

2010-05-20 18:10:30   You can call us Chautauqua. :) We're Casitas and Chautauqua management. The editor is not always the same. Currently our team consists of Jackie, Bethany, Kristina, Rebecca, Bobby, Tom, Maria and Arath...but our staff can change from time to time. :) —ChautauquaManagement

2010-05-20 20:58:59   [WWW] Some of the ones here are pretty cheap. —hankim

2010-05-21 02:56:39   It's Bike to Work Day... Does the bike circle logo cover the Davis Wiki? —hankim

2010-05-21 09:29:27   A decent projector is not too expensive these days and Ikea carries some pretty cheap screens. —hankim

2010-05-21 11:06:52   Oh crap! Nerd fail! It's PAC-MAN's thirtieth birthday as well! —hankim

2010-05-21 11:27:56   Although for some people in Davis, biking to work does not make the day special at all =P —hankim

2010-05-21 15:22:13   Hey, I didnt realize that I undid changes. I started the page on one computer and then finished it later on another, so I guess I accidentally deleted your changes in the process. I apologize, please go ahead and revert it to your version —MattSmidebush

2010-05-21 18:20:28   So since people do mostly know it as the 100 dollar coupon book, should there be a separate page that links to that one? —MattSmidebush

2010-05-23 21:20:17   You also put back some case nonsense that has no business being there. —WilliamLewis

2010-05-24 17:01:40   Thanks for that all-expenses-paid vacation to pen island; just what I needed after a long day of classes. —EBT

2010-05-26 07:21:46   Tomatoes and basil. We have a fairly small balcony, and like to sit out there with a glass of wine sometimes, so there's not all that much room to hang stuff without making it too cramped. What are you going to plant? —TomGarberson

2010-05-26 08:09:46   Great article, thanks! Some jalapenos sound awfully good, I love making poppers. Maybe doing them in a soda bottle would keep them compact enough... very tempted :) —TomGarberson

2010-05-26 17:03:05   Hey Evan, I have the standard Skype tool installed, but no kind of plugin or toolbar that I'm aware of. I did notice the Skype problem earlier this year, but I thought it was a one time thing. I think it's just the Skype program. Glad to know I wasn't the only one affected by this problem. —BenLee

2010-05-26 17:15:50   Parentheses just aren't funny, are they? —CovertProfessor

2010-05-26 21:15:30   No, I decided it was better without them. More sarcastic. —CovertProfessor

2010-05-30 12:27:14   Yep, I'm aware of that. The Num8 ranked pretty low on my mental likelihood-of-external-referrer scale though (that and link: search on Google pops up nothing). Rest assured, I'm much more gentle with shorthand/abbreviation-based redirects. —EBT

2010-05-30 12:58:32   [WWW]Captain Obvious to the rescue! Or Captain Pilcrow of Neo-Paragraphia, whatever. —EBT

2010-05-30 15:28:54   I bet if someone created a few Neener Neener // Screw the Wiki (or worse) entries that access would have be granted quite a bit sooner! —EdWins

2010-05-30 17:51:54   I don't have the hat. The harpoon was made in a blacksmithing class, but isn't mounted to a shaft yet. I need to listen to Leslie Fish's version again. —JasonAller

2010-05-31 01:26:50   Glad you enjoy it as much as he does —StevenDaubert

2010-05-31 16:20:50   I trust your judgment implicitly, however you referenced something from me that was from the Vanguard —StevenDaubert

2010-05-31 17:12:03   What does your company do? —IDoNotExist

2010-06-01 16:07:39   Hi JW — only the third bullet ([WWW] is not based on OSM data, the other two are. All three should probably go on the Maps page anyway. Thanks for the idea, —RyanMikulovsky

2010-06-02 21:17:25   Tom is a lawyer <.< —EdWins

2010-06-03 11:25:03   can you email me the base sprout photo, I tried to use it but when it copied it had a black background. —DagonJones

2010-06-04 08:37:03   I have been having a lot of fun with ms paint lately. can you tell me how to create those little banners that are on the wiki. like the seed banner or the HIPAA restrictions banner. I have been trying but it seems the image size I use is too large ( I can resize the image in paint may need to find the pixel x pixel) and I cant seem to find the proper background color in paint ( there is only about 2 dozen color options in that little program but its all I've got for now) —DagonJones

2010-06-04 12:18:15   LOL <3! Some of those includes may actually come in handy. One of the most effective "chill out, guys" edits I've seen was back on either the Bizarro/Drom's page or on the RealComputers page. It was basically the TimeSink include, or at least that's what I was trying to recreate :) —TomGarberson

2010-06-04 12:19:39   speaking of three stooges, check this out. I think the casting sounds pretty interesting [WWW]

2010-06-04 13:04:07   [WWW]Haters gonna hatehankim

2010-06-04 13:39:08   Why did you bold Khanh's comments on the Users/Khanh/Talk page? Was there a particular point that Khanh made that you think people have been overlooking? —CovertProfessor

2010-06-04 21:08:23   Ah, ok — thanks. —CovertProfessor

2010-06-07 15:52:39   Thanks. I think Jason and I are in agreement on this particular issue. I don't particularly mind getting a reputation as a business "advocate" on the Wiki, and understand that might affect the impact of my positions. My son and I were discussing this the other night; he commented that I seem to be the only retailer who is active on the Davis Wiki. I suspect most aren't even aware of it, much less have any idea how to participate. —DonShor

2010-06-07 22:44:56   Hmm, so do you think I can steer it back? Or has the ship sailed away? A more general accusations page that points to the more specific page(s)? —CovertProfessor

2010-06-07 22:59:22   Nah, I've been doing private defense work. Wouldn't mind getting on the federal appointee list, though! —TomGarberson

2010-06-08 10:10:42   Heh nice illustration... —TomGarberson

2010-06-08 10:17:18   In the future I am going to just delete things and let the chips fall. I am sick of this discussion, of the insinuations others are making, and I believe your attempt at humor (if indeed that is what it is) by deleting those pages is misdirected and imputes attitudes and beliefs I don't have. —DonShor

2010-06-08 16:16:21   I don't think the racism standard applies to the Buzayan case because in this case, the family has actually put the charge of racism into their court filings. —DavidGreenwald

2010-06-08 21:31:14   " Don has said that no charges of racism — including honest accusations of racism with specifics — should be on the wiki..." So now you're putting words in my mouth. I, of course, have never said that. I wouldn't, because it is impossible to prove whether the accusations are honest.DonShor

2010-06-08 23:14:17   Somewhere along the line the words "honestly made" have been added to my words "accusations of racism." I didn't say that. I would point out that we cannot gauge whether an accusation is "honestly made." So I would add to the problem of defending against an accusation of racism that we cannot assess the motives or honesty of the accuser. Obviously, I'm talking about most cases here and now, since overt racism is not under discussion; if someone is refused service at a lunch counter specifically because of the color of their skin, it's pretty obvious what is going on. I have been told my approach is not collaborative, in spite of having started and continued a talk page on the topic. I have said I would abide by the result of a vote, yet apparently nobody is going to vote. I have replied over and over again to specific issues, in spite of the ridiculous rhetorical lengths people are going to. I have had words put in my mouth, and had my point subjected to reductio ad absurdum. At this point I am being treated with disrespect, as are the owners and staff of Strelitzia.
Stop misrepresenting my position. Just vote. —DonShor

2010-06-08 23:48:42   In searching for any record of the KKK being active in Yolo County, I found both Don and David discussing racism in Davis [WWW]here about three months ago. (No, I'm not trying to make any kind of point, I just thought it was kind of amusing to see the names pop up as I read through the comments). —JabberWokky

2010-06-09 01:25:34   I don't know them that well, though we've met. "The staff was a bunch of white racist ladies" really bothers me. I have a strong aversion to people being disrespectful to the staff of any business or government agency. It's a cheap shot. But that isn't the entire basis of my arguments. —DonShor

2010-06-09 09:06:54   "Julie spoke up and shared her experience and her interpretation of those events. It was an interpretation I disagree with. But I don't see that as a reason to eliminate her voice, even if it is the only time she'll ever speak up here." Her right to say as she pleases stops when she is doing harm to others. You gave a long defense of Julie. Do the women who work at Strelitzia have any rights? —DonShor

*'"your response for deletion sums up to be pretty black and white: it's bad, delete. -ES Ditto cp"' If you both seriously believe that is all I've been saying, then we are definitely through with this discussion. —DonShor

"...if it is provable or falsifiable, it can remain.
If it is in the public domain (Buzayan case), it can remain just on that basis alone (it’s a story) even if not yet proven or falsified.
If someone is willing to stake their reputation on the accusation, it can remain; this means establishing identity.
If you wish to come up with some way of allowing anonymous accusations to remain long enough to be validated by others, please propose it. That is why I left the whole Strelitzia issue alone for a few days after an editor replied asking for clarification. But understand that as long as the accusation stands, it is doing harm.
Businesses should be treated with the same respect you would expect yourself and that you would apply to individuals. An anonymous, vague accusation that can’t be proven or falsified really should not be allowed." —DonShor

2010-06-10 12:13:17   Then things like Twilight happen which tilt the demographics of comic book conventions. —hankim

2010-06-11 03:56:05   They are probably just refreshing the page. —hankim

2010-06-13 11:01:49   Ok, thanks. Not sure how I blew that. Not fully awake this morning, I think. —CovertProfessor

2010-06-14 16:06:36   Koreans have been environmentally-friendly for decades: [WWW]

2010-06-14 19:10:44   I've said my piece, so yes, now it's time for peace. —CovertProfessor

2010-06-14 19:46:07   I actually didn't notice your comment, but I did in fact look up the construction in the most likely place - the Segundo page itself. It wasn't there, so I added the text in hopes that someone who did know would add the info. Which you did. (where did you find that?). Sometimes planting seeds helps trees to grow. :-) —IDoNotExist

2010-06-15 14:23:56   Ok, point made. :) Why not just move the order of the pregnancy page around? —CovertProfessor

2010-06-15 15:00:11   Oh, I understand *why* you did it... I guess I was just suggesting that if you made a sensible reordering to the pregnancy page, I doubt anyone would object to it. There's the time for talk pages and the time for... what did WL call it? I think it was "shut up and edit."

I agree about the Dogs pages needing some more topics, though as you say, it is excellent. I'll try to think about updating those, one of these days...

I thought the adoption issue was just with black cats, because of the superstition. I could be wrong about that, though. I always feel sorry for black dogs in the Davis heat, but black dogs (and cats) are beautiful. —CovertProfessor

2010-06-15 16:36:24   Thanks JW! I just found a couple of the above comments to be a bit over the top. —ARWENNHOLD

2010-06-15 18:03:57   Sometimes, homo sapiens are such morons (bias against black cats and dogs). *sigh*

Sounds like you have a good plan to fix the pregnancy page. Thanks! —CovertProfessor

2010-06-16 14:52:30   I usually take what occurs with a grain of salt, it's just having comments construed as cleanup, followed with a behave came off really flippant. I figured there was more going on behind the scenes (which there was) it was just a O__O moment —StevenDaubert

2010-06-16 21:24:41   Yeah, I kind of like the shorter versions, but the longer versions seem to be what we've used before. They are both "official," from the Yolo County website. I'll link to the PDFs in a moment... just being lazy. —CovertProfessor

2010-06-16 21:28:53   Sorry, too lazy to do either of those things, but don't mind if someone else does. I have a tool to de-capitalize, but then there are always fixes to be made afterward. —CovertProfessor

2010-06-18 11:31:03   Whenever I need to reset my sleep cycle after an all-nighter I usually just have a Monster or something to stay awake during the next day so I can crash at night. Any energy shot/drink should do I guess? —hankim

2010-06-18 11:39:34   Daily coffee drinker? Most people I run into need multiple energy drinks after an all-nighter but they usually have a daily dose of caffeine so they might need something in addition to a single can. Usually since I drink maybe a Coke once in a while, I need just a single Monster to keep me from wanting to kill myself during the day after an all-nighter and then I get to crash nicely at night. —hankim

2010-06-18 11:56:20   So is the 5-Hour Energy holding up for you? —hankim

2010-06-19 20:27:26   You must go through your insomnia again, for science! —hankim

2010-06-20 12:25:06   Ah, for some reason I thought the address macro only worked for places in Davis — thanks. And sorry about the bad phone number — I found it online. —CovertProfessor

2010-06-24 08:35:23   [WWW]Indeed. —CovertProfessor

2010-06-25 08:53:31   I know the feeling! —CovertProfessor

2010-06-25 11:28:37   According to the article, the casinos themselves do not accept the welfare cards, they just have ATMs that accept them. —hankim

2010-06-25 14:13:02   People changing their minds in the light of reason — it doesn't happen often, but it's a beautiful thing when it does. —CovertProfessor

2010-06-26 12:12:31   Looks like you guys changed it pretty quickly, so hopefully not too many people got confused. Thanks! —PhilipNeustrom

2010-06-27 22:12:23   I'm sure my old writing prof would describe [WWW]this as written flatulence. The subject of the photograph is Jill, not our anonymous photographer. I have no idea what Scott's problem is, but it's sad that we have to resort to these linguistic gymnastics. —WilliamLewis

2010-06-28 09:29:19   Something like -9%9%.23.9$ of my edits have mistakes in them, no worries. —EdWins

2010-06-29 09:57:09   So what is the story with the "Its a bench!" comments that you always post on the mystery picture? One of these days I have to find a good bench mystery picture for you. —DagonJones

2010-07-01 10:59:17   Ok, ty for the clarification. Been a while since I've done anything on DavisWiki. —Chronoz

2010-07-06 09:59:51   Congrats to Sarah and good luck in Nashville! Are you sure it's OK to say publicly that she ultimately wants to be elsewhere — her soon-to-be employers will understand? (Please feel free to delete this question after you've read it). —CovertProfessor

2010-07-06 19:39:17   I didn't include the obituary for the cow who was trained as a hunting companion. Go ahead call my bluff and see if history is stranger than my imagination. A front page obituary for a cow... who was a hunting companion... and could flush game... and who the article suggested might have committed suicide because she was no longer allowed to go on hunting trips. History... you just can't make this shit up. You should see some of the write-ups for the trials. —JasonAller

2010-07-08 13:28:13   Maybe this time Panda Express will be open? [WWW]Free Thai Chicken Breast. —hankim

2010-07-12 14:55:15   I read eNigma the same way I read eBay. —hankim

2010-07-12 15:32:15   I like what you said to eNigma, I don't think anything would be too harsh for somebody who would write that on the Carls Jr page. Of course they got the returned order, they said it was their order mistakenly given to somebody else! —NickSchmalenberger

2010-07-12 15:45:56   Thank you very much for your comment, JW! —ScottMeehleib

2010-07-12 16:35:05   Why is it odd? Because I choose not give my name for specific reasons? Apparently neither of you understand how businesses run, as I can see by the vast amount of wasted time and effort placed on creating your wiki page. What if my name was contour66? You know there are many people in this community that don't have such generic and boring names as the one you mentioned. Look, I am not trying to rile up anything, but erasing comments that only to educate your utopia of a "Davis Community" is clearly ironic if not hypocritical. If you are so afraid of me falsifying who I am then, why don't you invite me to have a beer and I can tell you in person why you and your partner in crime are in the wrong? —contour66

2010-07-13 23:40:41   Do you know what the 'normal' procedure for inappropriately filed comments is? I'm looking mostly at Sacramento International Airport, which has a few comments regarding different shuttles, which should IMO be moved to the relevant shuttle's page. —MasonMurray

2010-07-14 08:56:33   Saying that it's a hot one "[WWW]recently" is like talking about the [WWW]Centralia mine fire. Oh, it's there, it's hot and it burns. It burns long, it burns hard, it burns deeeep. —EdWins

2010-07-14 09:10:33   That fire uses gnomes for fuel, and gnomes are in short supply as a result. —JasonAller

2010-07-14 14:47:34   I agree w/ contour66 about deleting posts, there is no way I want to be identified to everyone and harassed by people for speaking the truth about some of these businesses... so how much do business kick back on freebies for deleting legit posts that are 100% true and make them look bad? maybe if they were really a legit business they would not have to resort to such petty tactics —TheTruthHurts

2010-07-14 15:27:58   WTF JW, how am I not getting a cut of these kickbacks? —TomGarberson

2010-07-15 11:11:15   Might be worth discussing. Heck, even some of my comments (which were less inflammatory then his) have been discussed on here with more passion. ;) —WesOne

2010-07-15 11:17:05   I would support deleting some (but not all) of his comments (the over-the-top ones — we can talk about what those are) and a wait-and-see approach on a ban. There have been some indications that he (just a guess) might turn into a semi-useful editor. I also think we might have handled him a bit better — in particular, told him why his comments were being deleted (the ones that looked like sockpuppeting). It's very easy to get tired of doing that and forget how deleted comments might appear to someone who somehow (don't ask me how) doesn't get that sockpuppeting is bad, or who perhaps wasn't really sockpuppeting but instead was enlisting comments from someone else in the household. Not that any of this excuses his baseless accusations towards wiki editors, but that we might have avoided the incident. —CovertProfessor

2010-07-15 11:28:24   I don't think a ban is necessary—at least, not an IP ban or anything like that. If it were to be seriously considered, I'd say that at most, he should be told that his account is being closed and invited to make one under his own name to resume editing. Only if he continues to be a problem then (or starts being a jackass with a bunch of other fake accounts) should a real ban be considered. —TomGarberson

2010-07-15 12:55:17   I got that you weren't calling for a ban, but I thought you were looking for people to weigh in, so I did. —CovertProfessor

2010-07-15 21:33:34   Haha... I don't really see a political career in my near future. Maybe someday, who knows? —TomGarberson

2010-07-17 17:28:19   Did you get my email reply about spam sent yesterday? Hoping *that* didn't end up in the spam folder. If so, could you forward me the email that got chucked into the spam folder with the full headers? —PhilipNeustrom

2010-07-18 10:22:45   Thanks! I wasn't even there yesterday, though. We mostly have William to thank. —TomGarberson

2010-07-18 16:31:46   Score!

Does it just look at edit count in time, or does it look at the overall change in the page as well per edit? —StevenDaubert

2010-07-18 22:03:37   "If you want to talk it over or need a mediator, create a talk page, etc etc." The talk page was created. CP reverted my change without discussing it there. Not much else I can do when I am treated as disrespectfully as he has repeatedly treated me. Please remove the edit in question and allow the conversation to continue at the talk page. Otherwise, once again, status quo prevails. —DonShor

2010-07-18 22:04:46   We need a mediator or a new alternative. There is a talk page. But it's all been said already, multiple times. There is fundamental disagreement and we need a way out. If I had a solution, i'd propose it. —CovertProfessor

2010-07-18 22:15:06   Yes, now we need a magician. —CovertProfessor

2010-07-19 01:08:10   Hello! It's not that I am trying to erase Davis history, yes I know it'll still be in the archives however I've spoken to a couple of the girls that wish to opt out their names on a public roster such as this. —FlamingLight

2010-07-19 12:28:53   No worries :) —TomGarberson

2010-07-19 13:43:20   [WWW]Frightening. This is a truly sad state of affairs. —CovertProfessor

Sorry you had to wake up to a Ban page this evening. It was getting ridiculous and everyone here has seen, and spent far too many hours on, anon-idents and their complete disregard for restraint on the wiki. This one, I still feel, should be an all-out IP ban, but whatever. Guess we'll wait and see what other Idents. come out of it. Was surpsrised they only attacked Han this time. WesOne

2010-07-20 10:10:31   One of my favorite quotes!! —CovertProfessor

2010-07-20 10:22:14   Right — because this one is less well-known, it is more powerful. (Although it was featured in the "From the Earth to the Moon" series so often that I learned the passage by heart... I had to go hear the whole speech to find out what "the other things" were). Plus it makes people go, "hunh?" —CovertProfessor

2010-07-20 10:26:28   Thanks for the QS renames. :-) —CovertProfessor

2010-07-20 17:50:59   Thanks man! I was looking to do it myself hopfully but this is a great alternative if I dont have the time or can't find the resources. —David.Tran

2010-07-25 17:22:52   Have updated Twitter page as you requested —KeithBradnam

2010-07-28 15:26:45   Could you please take a look at the DavisLifeMagazine/talk page and weigh in? Thanks, Cary —CaryArnold

2010-07-29 12:27:01   Which fiasco? —TomGarberson

2010-07-29 12:52:14   Ahh, yeah. There's certainly been a lot of heat lately, and I'm as guilty as anyone, unfortunately. The tone gets pretty painful sometimes. —TomGarberson

2010-07-29 13:22:34   No worries. You'd just awakened from a nap, iirc. —CovertProfessor

2010-07-31 07:56:07   Last night I saw three shadowy figures. One was only visible in the limelight, one was wearing a mask, and the last danced as though they thought that they could not be seen. It was like watching the opening act of an undiscovered Shakespearean tradgedy that had been typed by the oft mentioned primate typing pool. I cringed for it was badly acted, and the ending was too obvious; it was like watching two old thieves recruit a young cutpurse for the gallows. They themselves lived in that middle ground of the shadows where they were not truly either capable of avoiding the light or living totally in the dark. There was almost a sense of a vampiric feeding to the manner in which the elder pair descended, perhaps not unlike they were recruiting for the army of the shadows and the young cutpurse was seen as fresh blood. —JasonAller

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