Users/JasonAller - Davis Wiki

Summer 2008 Self portrait taken reflected off of ceiling. Trundling across the wiki, if you listen late at night you can hear the whistle of the Aller Express sounding in the distance, slowly fulfilling all the sleeping wikizen's dreams of photo requests.

Davis is a good place to live if you don't take it too seriously. In light of that I keep an open request for constructive feedback.

While talking with a colleague recently I noticed that the feel of the conversation was more small town than any I've had in a long time. I thought about it for a while and most of what made the discussion feel that way was a result of daviswiki.org. It is the sharing of collective experience that humanizes not only our relationships with each other, but with our community as well. If no one else has started a wiki for your community or common interest group, you can go to wikispot and start one for free.

This wiki will only ever be as good as you are willing to make it. Please keep that in mind as you leave comments and edit. If you litter the wiki with poor behavior and deception it will only encourage more of the same and then ultimately everyone is denied what could have otherwise been a really nifty resource. Further thoughts on this.

I've been using the search function here more and more often because I know that I'll find what I'm looking for... or a reason to add a page.

Among the pages that I like are:

Yes, I'm fairly Gnomish. I also maintained a graph and dataset tracking the growth of Davis wiki for a while.

I'm looking for a Life Size Statue of Bob Marley Healing a Blind Woman.

Old comments can be found in the comment archive

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2009-07-22 14:42:53 Thank you for the kind words. You can't please all the people all the time, however hard you try. —BrettHall

2009-07-28 14:04:32 Good point. I don't like the idea of people leaving comments and then deleting their signatures but also am not comfortable deleting the comment entirely. However, it wasn't appropriate to leave it the way that it was (attributed to someone else completely) and I didn't want her first experience editing to be completely negative. What would you suggest? —ElleWeber

2009-07-29 00:19:58 The page I am creating is for a fun, not for chaos. Dont delete it. —RealComputers

There has already been enough discord on Recent Changes today, creating any of the classic flame pages here would be wrong. First it isn't what the wiki is designed to be and second it shows really poor taste. —JasonAller

2009-07-29 00:30:33 I'm just creating a friendly page. Get over yourself and leave me alone. You are the number one person who hastles me on wiki. I cant do hardly anything here without you trying to delete it or something. Its a new freaking page, it leave it be. —RealComputers

I'm hardly number 1. Today I watched the Recent Changes page unfold as you and a handful of other people argued. Way I see it you are bringing a lot of this on yourself. —JasonAller

2009-07-29 00:39:02 seriously man, I will not accept any opinion of yours because you have given me too much opposition in the past. Let someone else decide, if they want to delete the page I will let it be but not comming from you. —RealComputers

Aside from that massive persecution complex you've got and your setting of dicta without understanding the history of debate pages on this wiki and why the issue has already been dealt with... learning to not take edit decisions personally would be a really good skill to pick up if you are going to hang around here, and I hope that you do hang around. —JasonAller

2009-07-29 01:22:56 I'll live. Quite frankly, though, after 15 years of seeing this "debate" on usenet, BBSs, chat rooms, and bulletin boards, I'm sick of it. I thought the rest of the world was, too. —WilliamLewis

No one forces you to take part in the discussion. You act like you cant avoid it.

2009-07-29 02:17:22 Delete the page in the morning ... I will simply revert it .. we can have another revert war .. ur such a wiki bully. —RealComputers

Take the high road, name calling is beneath you. The page gets deleted for all the reasons that I gave you up front. I've also offered an alternative suggestion about your ability to host discussion pages under your userpage's namespace. —JasonAller

2009-07-29 02:18:22 1, 2, 3, 4, I declare a revert war... or not. I should have gone to bed. Have fun with the silliness. —WilliamLewis

2009-07-29 02:19:49 How dare you delete a page that has nothing to do with Davis!?!? I'm so offended, I'm going to write my congressman. We'll see where this takes us just as soon as I receive a return correspondence from him! —JoePomidor

2009-07-29 13:02:59 You're being too kind, you could use lmgtfy! ie, passed on this link: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+a+cylon It's a common one on forums. —EdWins

2009-07-29 15:25:18 Same to you. —RealComputers

This was in response to "2009-07-29 15:20:28 You get to pick which wikis you participate in, you don't get to pick your fellow editors, but you owe them a measure of respect and some decorum when interacting with them. —JasonAller" after he had been dictating which editors he would interact with and who he would listed to. —JasonAller

2009-07-29 15:56:03 do you know if it is possible to uplaod something like a power point presentation to wiki and make it accesable to otheRs? —RealComputers

Yes, it is possible. It might be a better idea to convert it to a Google Doc presentation and then link to it. —JasonAller

I have a power point that explains a lot about computers. I would like to makes it accesable. If its not to much trouble, can you tell me how to do that?

nvm, figured it out. That was pretty easy.

2009-08-02 12:51:36 I know that Iberian Global Language is an effort of a local. However, the entry's only clue that this is local is a Davis address. The entry needs to be related to the rest of Davis and the promotional language that belongs on a website needs to be removed. —WilliamLewis

It is also Russell's first edit. A Welcome to the Wiki with some additional guidance might go further than the two includes would. You've been doing a great job on guarding Wiki Spot from spam, and I know it is hard to switch approaches when looking at Recent Changes here. I have to take a moment myself sometimes. —JasonAller

2009-08-02 19:16:22 yup, The Imaginary Zebra is a business, how do we transfer the info to the business template? Thanks —MichelleH

2009-08-04 18:14:50 Not that you need or even want my approval, but I very much like your new Welcome to the Wiki approach. —CovertProfessor

Thanks. The Welcome Wagon isn't an exclusive thing, feel free to join in on the fun. —JasonAller

Not sure that an anonymous professor makes for the best welcome. But I'll try to throw one in from time to time, or contribute in other ways. —CovertProfessor

I concur. -ES

2009-08-05 18:21:40 Welcome to the wiki! —JabberWokky

Thanks, I was worried that no one would reach out and make me feel welcome here, but now I don't have to worry about that any longer. ;) —JasonAller

2009-08-06 14:27:47 Oh i didnt realize that made a new page, thanks —RealComputers

2009-08-07 22:18:59 Thank you for the welcome and for adding the links! (Since I am too inexperienced with wiki formatting, besides being lazy...) —AmyChow

2009-08-10 23:30:59 Thanks so much for at least sticking a link on it . . . yeah. That's the least anyone could do, and that's what matters most. —ZN

2009-08-11 21:29:21 Yar! :-) Yep, it does sound like pirate talk! It was on the realtor's website and I'm guessing it stands for Yolo Area Realtors but I don't know for sure... —RichLindvall

2009-08-12 10:50:15 Thanks for moving the page to Woodland Wiki - I wasn't aware there was one! —HeritageManager

2009-08-13 10:05:09 How are you connected to the CA Constitution class? It sounds like a neat idea. —JabberWokky

I'm providing wiki support for the class. I'll post more about it on that wiki later. —JasonAller

2009-08-15 12:45:40 Thank you for the Davis Wiki - can you shoot me an email please. Thx —HNR

2009-08-20 09:32:25 Jason, the wiki has been over this topic, and more than once; here, for example. You and I obviously disagree. —CovertProfessor

2009-08-23 14:57:19 Yeah, I imagine that other people will have spelling problems too with that name so a redirect seemed like a good idea. —jsogul

2009-08-23 17:03:14 Thanks. I'm actually still kind of shocked at my own reaction to the situation because it would seem like a small problem. I'm a civilian, not active duty, and I think what has upset me so is the idea of someone who is active in the service being treated this way. —OliviaY

2009-08-26 18:59:36 You wrote on my message page: 2009-08-25 19:17:56 "The Questions page might have pointed you to an alternative place to ask you question about the house." Thanks, I did look for a questions area, but didn't have luck. It's not available from the front page, but when I clicked on your link, a "questions" tab appeared up top. I certainly appreciate it! AirporterDriverPete —AirporterDriverPete

2009-08-28 12:09:29 thanks for the heads up.. ill try to put more detail into it. just felt it was necessary to be written. —alcatraz

2009-08-31 00:23:10 I see, from the description it was kind of hard to tell. Should I revert it? —JoePomidor

2009-09-01 17:28:49 Hi Jason. Thanks for all your work. I'm trying to understand why the Alateen page is treated differently than our Al-Anon page and our ACOA page. Does the format HAVE to be the way you changed it on the Alateen? WIth multiple meetings this would be hard and we hope to have more than one Alateen meeting soon. If this sounds familiar to you, I asked about this earlier and you probably replied, but I've been sick. Now I can't see my question on your page. I'm sorry if you are having to repeat yourself. Can I make Alateen match the other two, with the header and the top or is this taboo somehow? Thanks! Maggie S —DavisAFG

I edited the page to adjust the format. At the time there was only one meeting listed so I chose that format, but you can adjust it if additional meetings are needed. —JasonAller

2009-09-02 04:08:19 Hunh? Spammers are now policing themselves? —JabberWokky

2009-09-02 13:23:08 Hey there, I hadn't seen the food poisoning page but I do agree with everything that is said on it. Generally, it has hard to trace back a case of food poisoning to a specific place/time unless multiple cases are reported. I once read a paper about people getting sick at a bunch of weddings and they traced it back to raspberries in the wedding cakes from a particular bakery. However, in this case, seeing people going from totally normal, to vomiting, to normal in a matter of minutes really speaks to something in the food being seriously off. Which is why we reported it to the health department, rather then just not going back to this particular restaurant. They called this morning by the way to follow up, so I am pretty impressed that they processed the online form so quickly. —Zeeba

2009-09-03 10:48:23 "$1 Beers at Sudwerk 9:00PM to midnight Sudwerk $3 cover, then all the dollar cups o' the best beer in Davis that you can drink."

"Dance Party with DJ Larry Rodriguez 10:00PM G Street Pub Spinning funk, soul, reggae, latin grooves, afrobeat, and bhangra at the G Street Pub. No cover! 10PM start, 21+, $1 Pabst. Brought to you by KDVS"

"College Night at Bistro 33 Bistro 33 Featuring $3 well drinks and $5 Long Islands, Adios MoFo's and Jager and great top 40 R&B music in the most upscale atmosphere in town. NO cover charge ever! "

You removed my post about KetMoRee in the reccuring events saying it belonged in happy hour section, but I don't see how these are any more appropraite. I feel that my posting was the same in content to these postings. It is unclear as to why my posting was deleted as the content seemed to directly relate to the content previously posted by similar venues on the same thread. Perhaps you could clear up this ambiguity. Thank you for your time. —Jcurri31

2009-09-03 15:04:11 There are more than just the ones i mentioned and i think that is become a critical part of the page. Weather it was the original intention or not I believe the page has headed in this direction. I would really appreciate it if I was allowed to re add my posts so i can share these events with my fellow community members and daviswiki fans. Thank you

—Jcurri31

2009-09-03 18:37:54 Defiantly will will work on the links thank you very much. —Jcurri31

2009-09-14 23:59:13 Hi, I'm trying to reactivate my old account ChristopherPKW and you seemed like someone who would know how to do that? —ChristopherPKW

2009-09-16 20:42:58 That pretty much is what she believes. She believes that any sort of advertising of a business that is somewhat officiated (the fact that there are store logos and such being used) should be approved by her and since this was not that it should be taken down. She had another friend attempt to take it down only for someone else to bring it back up. —SunjeetBaadkar

2009-09-17 11:44:09 I would actually like to change todd and barbara photography to Todd & Barbara Photography. Do I need to make a new page to do this? Help, please, and thank you! —arica

2009-09-20 15:59:27 Highlights. —JabberWokky

2009-09-22 18:23:28 Thank goodness for OpenStreetMap. City of Davis bike path vector data was absolutely no good. At some point in the near future I plan on marking all points of interests in the Covell Greenbelt, transferring to OSM, and then of course, making a proper map using that fresh OSM data. I don't directly use OSM to make maps since I don't agree with how the project presents some data. It's totally an art and there's no one way of doing anything :-) (get two cartographers in the same room and I'm sure they'll clash and it'd be great fun!) —RyanMikulovsky

2009-09-22 19:04:01 Hmm...when I try it, I get a seriously long and munged page with non-running javascript code. —IDoNotExist

2009-09-22 21:55:34 Yes. I get the error when I enter Davis, CA or 95616 on that page. I'm using Firefox (or rather, what will become Firefox in the mysterious future...) —IDoNotExist

2009-09-22 22:22:56 Odd that it's such an aggressively postured editor name and the review was actually fair and well written. —JabberWokky

2009-09-28 09:20:02 Hey Jason, I was wondering if you could teach me how to change a picture— the Adobe at Evergreen picture of the monument sign is a defaced picture (someone put it up after altering it) and I was wondering if it would be ok to replace it. Please let me know! Thanks!!

-Nicole (Asst. Manager- Adobe Apartments) —AdobeManagement

2009-10-06 21:11:42 Re: Weiss Group cleanup - done —JimStewart

2009-10-10 13:47:44 On the Measure P page should there be a more neutral picture or a picture of a yes sign as well? —EliYani

2009-10-26 12:26:07 jason please give me your email so you can see what I mean by vandalism. I have a random clip of what happened on friday night. — Khanh This is what happens when you out people. Thanks —Khanh

2009-10-27 14:09:23 Thanks for the note. You were absolutely correct and it has been moved. —MaggeSanger

2009-10-27 14:24:47 Jason....this certainly reads as a threat as well, and I honestly see it start off the chain. Especially in relation to the original edit, which was merely an attempt to add more info to the entry in an attempt to integrate info from the comments, which is actually a normal and encouraged behavior. CP's personal dislike of him is what caused him to want that integration removed. Looking at it again, he ended up merely referencing a comment CP had made elsewhere. CP again wanted it removed: this is actually discouraged wiki behavior I believe, isn't it? In an attributed first person post by Brian, he has every right to mention another wiki posting. Removed from his attributed first person post. Is Brian not allowed to even mention it? What if he threw in the info link as a reference? He ends up compromising rather than arguing, and that brings us back to the first threat.

All in all, come on, it was pretty legitimate editing. Even if he 'counter-threated', in light of what he probably feels is people still picking on him, it's not exactly crazy. Perhaps CP should also apologize for his unwillingness to edit in a positive manner on that issue. Overall, the newbie bashing phase should be over by now, and I think it's more than past the time for most other users to leave the guy alone and let him try (as I think he has been) to be a better 'community member'. —EdWins

2009-10-27 14:56:58 The problem here is that RealComputers initially used Covert's words as as apparent endorsement of his position, and did so without Covert's permission. The quote was copied from another posting that Covert had made, but in the new context, implied an endorsement that Covert clearly does not want to make. The lack of context of the original source is the problem here. I'd consider that an illegitimate use of Covert's words.

The new text references something that Covert said previously (it happens to be the same quote), and uses that to support RealComputers' position. That seems like fair use to me. In this case, RealComputers is not saying that Covert supports his position, only that Covert previously stated an opinion about something that is self contained in the reference.

I strongly disagree with the use of threatening language against Wiki members. —IDoNotExist

Well said, and good distinction I failed to notice. -ES

2009-10-27 15:46:00 I only asked him to leave me alone. it was not a threat. —RealComputers

2009-10-27 16:16:03 Thanks bud. —EdWins

2009-10-27 16:45:23 Thank you for the pointer to creating a wiki spot. —Bai

2009-10-27 16:45:46 Davis, thank you for the pointer to creating a wiki spot. —Bai

2009-10-27 20:27:15 Hmm...good point. It would be nice if there were a way to address that, so to speak... —IDoNotExist

2009-10-28 12:35:09 aww! I see. Thank you. —StevenLee

2009-10-28 14:17:02 If you think it should be listed then fine, list it. I think since they do not operate in Davis, they shouldnt be listed. I went through and removed some listing only if they told me directly that they do not do computer repair, if their number is out of service or if they do not operate in Davis. —RealComputers

2009-10-28 18:42:24 Given the time I would have began editing as many pages as I could too. Remember when Davis Wiki was a community wiki and not used for hidden agendas and other questionable purposes? Sigh. —RyanMikulovsky

2009-10-29 22:05:10 Thanks. I took your advice and checked out "wanted pages." Guess which page was listed first? Yep. —robinlaughlin

2009-10-30 19:54:31 I know he was. But some seemed to want it to stay. I'm willing to fix the grammar mistakes that I saw, but not willing to take his side in the revert war — it would be rewarding bad behavior, in my view. —CovertProfessor

2009-11-01 14:28:05 what list? —StevenDaubert

2009-11-03 11:35:07 I do seem to be a little confused, i would like the information about my business to appear when people search for massage....the name of my business is Kay Bodyworks. How can i make that happen? —JeffreyKay

2009-11-04 14:41:34 the name of my business is Kay Bodyworks, and i would prefer if that name appeared on my business page. Also i decided to offer $40 as an introductory rate instead of $50, but i can't seem to find out how to change the rate to $40 on my personal site. How can i do that? —JeffreyKay

2009-11-04 14:43:14 and how to change the name on the business page to Kay Bodyworks —JeffreyKay

2009-11-04 22:07:00 Did you have a long lens on your camera for those derailment pictures? When I went to check it out, the place was taped off and there was a guard from the California Northern Railroad watching the place. —WilliamLewis

Only the picture of the engine was taken using the zoom, the rest were just taken pretty normally. There was tape up that said "Fire Line do not cross" and I stayed behind it. —JasonAller

2009-11-05 19:44:05 Quite impressive street work! Took pictures today of Aggie Villa and related streets. 35 mm film. Should be up by 11/15/11. —robinlaughlin

2009-11-05 23:29:36 Isn't Ken's Bike and Ski just a flat store with a wide walkway? —hankim

My edit comment was about how the page was laid out, not the business. —JasonAller

2009-11-06 05:27:16 Well, I may be somewhat discouraged from outreach and editing due to recent feedback, but a spammer provides a big juicy target to hammer with all barrels broadside. Visceral joy via action. —JabberWokky

2009-11-06 23:35:40 All pages that have a hard K sound...hmmm —IDoNotExist

Are you going to watch me edit, or are you going to fix Media references? —JasonAller

2009-11-08 13:22:44 Hi Jason, I'm responding to a comment you left crpike.

Founding date? I guess my subscribe to a minimalist aesthetic. If information isn't useful, don't waste the readers time with it. I don't see how a founding date is of interest to anyone.

As far as removing comments: those comments were all positive, but they concerned classes that no longer take place at my studio. I think they actually would create confusion. So I'd like to start from scratch.

Hope that is OK. —crpike

2009-11-08 15:38:10 This wiki is brought to you by the measure P and the prop 13. —IDoNotExist

Or rather, people like Jason and CP who add information about them to the wiki! -jw

2009-11-09 14:11:30 I'm a reporter from the Enterprise writing an article about daviswiki being named the "world's best local wiki." Would like to interview users. I'm writing this for tomorrow's paper, so please call me as soon as you can at 747-8052. —jon.edwards

I called him at 4:45, about 2 hours and thirty four minutes after he posted this, but he said that he was facing his deadline and didn't want to ask any questions. —JasonAller

2009-11-09 18:47:20 I know that the founding date and such need to be restored on the Mojo page. I was hoping maybe the owner would do it after we explained why what was removed should remain, but it doesn't look like it has happened yet. Also, the Adobe apartments page had some useful stuff deleted in AssistantManager's attempt to turn the page into a glossy flier. —WilliamLewis

2009-11-10 08:20:47 pretty sure he wanted the progressively smaller type —StevenDaubert

2009-11-10 09:47:23 ...adding this comment just to drop my edit to comment ratio (the spammers help lower my revert ratio)... ;) —JabberWokky

2009-11-10 10:15:27 Yes, there are problems with integrating comments. However, I think if somebody is adding useful information there is no reason to complain. I would much rather have more less-organized information than less information well-organized. —NickSchmalenberger

2009-11-10 11:25:15 I'm a student at Heartland Community College in Normal, IL and i'm writing a paper about whether or not a local wiki would be benficial for my community. I can see that you are highly involved with the DavisWiki and I was wondering if you would consider answering some questions for me? My email is amaurer4 at my.heartland.edu —amaurer4

2009-11-11 10:49:41 Thanks, Jason, for all you do here as well on other wikis. I appreciate it! Awhile back you created an icon for my "Christian Music Central" wiki http://christianmusiccentral.wikispot.org/. Thanks! I just asked Jabberwocky for any advice/help on making that wiki more useful. My goal is for it to be a place for people to link to their favorite Christian artists/music. If you'd have any ideas/suggestions for making it more user friendly I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks! —RichLindvall

2009-11-14 13:51:15 I wonder if street pages could include a macro that embeds the street in google maps... —IDoNotExist

You mean the one that already does if you click the Map icon? -jw

2009-11-14 16:21:20 Perhaps like the map button I just spotted on there. :-) Except it would automagically display inline instead of requiring a button press. —IDoNotExist

An option for something like [[Address(123 Main, opened)]], where "opened" means that the map is open by default, might make sense for some entries. (Trying to think of an easy easy way to enhance... by the way, Brent is the person to talk to about this, as he was writing a new map system, IIRC). -jw

2009-11-15 11:16:38 whoops. Looks like we had the same idea at the same time. —RyanMikulovsky

2009-11-16 22:29:55 I would suggest specifically stating that you don't want stuff deleted. And the welcome page is not what's unwelcoming. It's other people jumping at you about your first few edits when there aren't clear editing rules (i.e. Don't delete anything). —Nana

2009-11-17 12:46:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=081dHOYY6IE —JabberWokky

2009-11-19 21:10:22 Yes, but why bother having links to something that isn't real information? If people want information on calculus, they don't need to go to Davis Wiki, and if they want information pertaining to specific Davis Calculus classes, that information is on the UCD mathematics department page, or a page can be created about other schools (e.g. "Davis High School Classes"). A "Calculus Classes Around Davis" page might be interesting, but that's a different issue- not "Calculus", which is a broad definition.

I guess I could have just deleted everything on the page, and left... a definition of calculus... but really, why bother? I mean, I could make a page called "Coffee" with "Coffee is gross. Don't drink it." and then have links to it from coffee shops around Davis. Does the DavisWiki really need to have a bunch of pages of nouns that aren't specific to Davis? I thought the point of Davis Wiki was to help people find information pertaining to Davis, so I don't see how this is really necessary. —JesBisagno

2009-11-20 11:37:34 I'm curious why you gave the username message to sarahpurcell? —NickSchmalenberger

I used my identity welcome. It does have a link to username, but isn't directed at that. —JasonAller

2009-11-27 11:00:13 Contrary to popular belief, I do have quite a few demands on my time that do not involve wiki gnoming. —IDoNotExist

I guess I figured if you had time to complain about another editor before they had been welcomed you had time to welcome them. It isn't a big time commitment and the value to the community of having welcomes come from a variety of editors is really beneficial. —JasonAller

In the non-existent one's defense, I think there was a serious question about whether the editor you are talking about was in fact Brian T. or an associate. I certainly was not going to welcome him/her under those circumstances. —cp

In most cases I think that if the edits of a new users have been reverted then it is only fair to balance that out with an explanation of why their edit was undone. No point complaining about them if you aren't willing to educate them, right? Several of my comments to IDoNotExist have been in response to comments where they were commenting on other people's signal to noise ratios or ban statuses. —JasonAller

Fair enough. —cp

2009-11-27 14:32:16 I don't see welcoming people to the wiki as necessarily a part of gnoming. I see that being more fixing spelling and syntax errors, often invisibly to those who make the errors, hence the fantastic "gnome". I think welcoming new users has its place also, especially when somebody contributes something really cool, but I think its more of a personally distinct thing than gnoming which anyone can do fairly similarly. I think both can be helpful and important though. —NickSchmalenberger

2009-11-27 15:25:38 I agree with Nick. Wiki editing is something that lots of people do, each in their own way. The end result is a sort of average of all of the contributions. I appreciate the work that you put into the wiki, and that you want to maintain certain standards and processes in it. But other people may prefer to contribute in different ways, at different rates, and at different times. I think that it's important to allow people to contribute in the ways in which they feel most comfortable and happy. —IDoNotExist

2009-11-30 20:29:45 To all concerned,

The argument of this matter of affiliation poses detriment to my company both financially and pertaining to trust/character. It would be greatly appreciated that speculative arguments are saved for the proper place of facilitation. I will assure that the wiki pertaining to my company Astrinet.net is filled with factual information and not speculation. I urge you all legally.

—EvanGray

Evan, my name is Jason; I'm not "To all concerned". I'm an editor here, just like you are. We share common access and are able to influence the community norms that have been established on this wiki equally. Those same community norms have evolved over time and have tended to work pretty well. Every now and then someone comes to the wiki who starts off at odds with those norms. Right now that person is you. You can either read Welcome to the Wiki and ask questions about how things work around here, or choose not to. If you do read it and ask questions I assure you that you'll find plenty of people who will answer questions and try to help you out. If you choose to ignore the people who are reaching out to you no amount of legal threats is going to undo the damage you'll be doing to yourself. The reason is that this is a public venue and your behavior here reflects upon you both as a person, and as a business owner. —JasonAller

2009-12-12 11:06:12 What exactly about my (APEX Cycles) shop's wiki page make it a violation of the for profit restrictions? Please let me know so i can fix it. I looked at other businesses, and I don't see a difference. I removed my service price list, but the bike barn list prices for their rentals, along with wheelworks listed their prices in the comments section, is that OK? All of these pages are direct or indirect advertisements for the businesses they represent. So to specifically site mine in the for profit restrictions page as a violator intrigues me. How would you look to edit the page to better fir the wiki guidelines? I love the wiki as it is a wonderful form of indirect advertising for the shop and would like to keep using it as such. But more over, the page not only is a brief glimps into what APEX Cycles offers, but who we are in and outside of the shop. I thought that was what it was for, to educate people about whats in Davis. —Aaron.Curtin

Everyone is still figuring out how the Wiki Community/For Profit Restrictions really affect us. Did someone tell you that your page was in violation? Oops, I went looking and see where I moved an unsigned comment by Philip between pages that named Apex directly. —JasonAller

2009-12-12 18:12:32 The only thing I can think A&E stands for is Arts and Entertainment? Also, the link you gave me seems to be only be selling products. Did I miss something? —hankim

2009-12-21 16:52:53 Thanks for the welcome! I'll do better in the future to bring style to my comments :) —UnbiasedThirdParty

2009-12-22 16:35:16 see ttl

that was hilariously ruthless, keep up the great work —StevenDaubert

2009-12-29 12:21:58 Yes I have. We changed our office hours. —NikiRose

2009-12-29 12:34:39 Ooooo, okay! I just thought it was ok because of the General Rule. General rule: "If something's educational then it is always okay, even if it might otherwise be considered promotional toward a for-profit business...Instruction or training of the individual for the purpose of improving or developing his capabilities or the instruction of the public on subjects useful to the individual and beneficial to the community...Don't stress over this."

We will also add the extended office hours into the text for blind people. Thanks for the tip! —NikiRose

2009-12-31 12:13:24 If some person creates a new account to post links to a non-local business, it's link spamming, regardless of the relevance. If a community really uses a website, an established member of the community can add the link. —WilliamLewis

2010-01-03 11:51:08 Thank you for all your help with the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Academy! —NickAttanasio

2010-01-04 19:54:16 Good, I was wondering! I don't know much about hair salons and such, but I do know that "who has the customers" can be a big issue when someone leaves. Add that to all the previous weirdness on the Abella page and something just doesn't smell right. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-05 13:16:02 Please help me understand why you make changes to my page? I checked with Evan Edwards, he was the one who suggested I copy all the comments from Roxie's old page to her new one. The wiki cops seem to take quite a bit of license in deciding what does and what doesn't go on a page. Is there a rule book somewhere that I can reference? "Roxie at David's Haircutting" is not a "departed business." The business is still there; Roxie has opened her own salon. What happens to all those comments when the wiki cops decide to retire the page completely? —patquinn

Pat, I make changes to the wiki. I don't own any of these pages, neither do you. Evan doesn't provide authoritative answers about what occurs on the wiki, because he is an editor just like you are. Who are these wiki cops that you refer to? I've never met one. You can join in the discussion with the rest of the Wiki Community to help guide the community norms by which the wiki operates, but there isn't a rule book. I fight pretty hard to keep pages from getting deleted. If you don't believe me check my edit history. —JasonAller

2010-01-05 22:47:07 Hi Jason, in regards to your 2010-01-05 21:10:46 comment to me, crpike. I transferred the line in question, "Looking to get fit? Davis offers man....", to the new Pilates Flow Fitness page. As for the Mojo Flow Studio page, this studio isn't really a gym or fitness center, it is currently a multi-use space, so I wasn't sure the line is appropriate at that page. Hope you can agree? Chris —crpike

2010-01-08 19:41:42 Luther is clearly the same person as thomas1955@surewest.net — they made nearly the same comment on the Abba Salon and Spa page. So what's the point? We already said something about not writing fake reviews. I suppose we could say something about sockpuppets. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-08 22:30:37 If you think it is worth restoring the comment, I won't object. From my point of view, though, the whole escapade rings false. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-08 22:48:09 Yeah, I todo'ed the ECE entry myself for heavy editing, something along the lines of my spam seo notices on Wiki Spot, only less "banner"-ish and more education/offer of help. Seems to be a ton of underhanded or well intentioned but utterly commercial use of the wiki so far this year. —JabberWokky

It is the Self Interest Single Topic EditoRs(SISTERs) with organizational account names that have been real problems. A SISTER editing under their real name at least gives the impression that they might transition into a net positive. Those editing under organizational account names never seem to make that transition. I really am disappointed at the direction that the Wiki Community/Organizational accounts page took. Had there been a clear community consensus about the issue we could have reworked the sign up page to make that clearer and a lot of hassle could have been avoided. —JasonAller

2010-01-09 14:23:36 You're surely right about wanting to give people a fresh start. As you say, I just get frustrated with the SISTERs. Some people seem to have no interest in editing the wiki other than to promote a particular business, no matter how many "fresh starts" they've been given. But I will try to err on the side of optimism a bit more. Maybe Luther can be turned into a productive wikizen.

As for being called a "wiki cop," I took that with a grain of salt. But seeing how others were bothered by it, and giving it more thought, it occurred to me that what is really going on is someone barging into a community without thinking they need to find out how things are generally done — and then when they are called on it, demand to see the person in charge and a list of hard-and-fast rules. They're told that there aren't any such — that there are general practices, but that these are determined by consensus of whoever wants to participate — but that falls on deaf ears. They are so sure that *they* are the ones who have been wronged (thus, the "wiki cop" comment) and can't be bothered with actually working with the rest of us to get things right.

The best analogy I can think of is a roommate who moves in and starts playing loud music late at night without seeing if that's OK. Did the other roommates have a rule against that? Well, no, but it's damn rude and it goes against the previous practice. Then the person with the bad behavior accuses others of being cops when the person playing the loud music was really the one at fault for not finding out what the practice was.

I guess what I am trying to point out is the irony of the "wiki cop" comment. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-13 20:20:44 Yeah, I've always felt you do too much "behind the scenes" work to be given that junk. What's hilarious is that I reread both your comments, and yours was super simple: "have you met (whoever)". Lame! —EdWins

2010-01-14 12:35:33 Thanks for the suggestion, but the reason I didn't want to start a new page, because Polly has great comments, same prices, same info, etc. Is there another way to change the name or is it wrong to keep the name and just change the location? I understand to edit under my personal account, but i didn't think about that when i logged in ;) —NinasStudio

2010-01-17 11:15:27 I think MikeZiser has already established his identity on the wiki fairly well. —NickSchmalenberger

2010-01-19 21:54:46 E×ample. —JabberWokky

2010-01-20 00:07:30 Do you think a "needs better photo" include could be useful? I know Photo requests is pretty long already. I've been working on some, but the weather just sucks now. —WilliamLewis

I understand the idea, but I'm not sure it would be useful until the Photo requests start getting filled. If there were a few more motivated photographers out there then it would be useful, but right now the number of people uploading photos is no where near the number that have cameras on their cell phones. I know I haven't been taking as many photos as I once did, I need to make it a habit again. —JasonAller

Since it's so very very easy to propose stuff when you have a geographic reason not to participate, I seldom do, but a photo party (meet, map, go, return, compare notes), and a fundraiser are both things that would be really nice. (Talk is cheap, so I feel bad even bringing it up without being able to back it with action). -jw

2010-01-20 18:09:37 Thanks. It's easier when the person starts off politely, as this one did. —CovertProfessor

2010-01-20 18:36:34 Sure, we can definitely move Loaves & Fishes to the Sac wiki. I just fleshed out a little info on it because it was on the wanted pages list, and it's related to the vet school via the Mercer Pet Clinic. —TomGarberson

2010-01-20 18:40:15 how do I create a subpage? or could you point me to where to go to find out? thanks! —il

2010-01-20 18:54:36 Sounds good! I'm headed out shortly, but I'll take a look at it tomorrow and move it on over. —TomGarberson

2010-01-21 14:44:24 Gave me a chuckle with "might lessen the pavlovian responses that some editors have to your current account name." —EdWins

2010-01-21 19:58:18 Hey thanks for making my new pages more robust with all the links and such. As for Hall of Fame "Class of 20xx", that means the year the person was inducted, not that the inductees were chosen by that graduating class. "Class of 20xx" is the wordage used by the Pro Football HoF, but maybe "20xx Inductees" would be less confusing? And in old business, I was definitely happy you showed me colors, I feel vindicated indeed. Thanks for all your help making me less of a WikiNoob! —WillArnold

2010-01-21 23:03:16 thank you for creating the FARM subsection! yay! —il

2010-01-21 23:16:19 Whoops, I forgot about changing Loaves & Fishes over to Sacramento. Thanks, Jason! —TomGarberson

2010-01-25 10:19:49 Thanks for the welcome and info. Risky is not my legal name, but plenty of people call me that in person and online. I will post a photo and some personal info to my page later tonight. —Risky

2010-01-26 20:37:17 Dog Trainers —WilliamLewis

2010-01-27 03:35:07 It's starting to feel a bit like like there's some, "I'm going to hammer my complaints until I hear something that lets me get my way". Ostrowikian. Which, as a word, is amusingly synthetic looking (Ostro, as in southern wind + Wiki, from WikiWiki). But yes, I can understand the sapping of zeal from the general tone of late. —JabberWokky

2010-01-27 18:11:53 Actually, the UCD Bookstore does allow backpacks in there now. —hankim

2010-01-27 20:06:01 Hey Jason, am I right in guessing that I shouldn't miscellaneous photos from other websites to stick on the wiki? For example, Vanguard has a great photo of the Montessori Day Care Center. Presumably, no pulling that? —TomGarberson

2010-01-27 20:17:21 Thanks Jason! IP wasn't really my area of expertise, so I couldn't really say. I'll just err on the side of not stepping on anyone's IP toes. —TomGarberson

2010-02-03 19:32:56 2010-02-03 18:31:03 Regarding your question about my removal of Dave's portfolio: Unfortunately, Dave Richardson decided to move back in with his folks down in Southern California. We are super bummed that he is not working at Primary Concepts any anymore, as is he. It was a bit too hard to find employment up here for his wife, and they could not afford it. I have decided not to discuss the reasons WHY employees leave or come to our shop on the Wiki. It's not necessarily things the general public needs to know. I have gotten comments from admins in the past about this exact same thing in the past.
I'll be more clear (to an extent) on our page in the future. —KaiSmart

2010-02-03 20:27:54 Since we are in the business of art I don't think advertising art that you can't get at our shop would be a good idea. It would misrepresent what we offer. Maybe links to that past employees new place of business/personal site would work better? I also am uploading a new (though smaller) portfolio for our apprentice right now. Hopefully that will add the "something" back to our page. I try to keep everything as current and comprehensive as possible.
Thanks for your attention though! —KaiSmart

Oh, I don't see the Wiki as advertising. I see it in terms of a collaboratively edited, interconnected community effort to explore, discuss and compile anything and everything about Davis — especially the little, enjoyable things. As such it is interesting to note that Stephen Hawking appeared at the Mondavi Center, even though you can't get tickets to see him there any more. In the same way I find it an interesting point about Primary Concepts that David Richardson once worked there. —JasonAller

2010-02-03 21:33:33 Looks like you had the same idea as me about the tattoo place, good idea! —NickSchmalenberger

2010-02-04 18:45:42 It's the UC Davis Law Review in the same way that there is the California Aggie and The Flatlander. Yes, UC Davis is redundant because there is only one law review that Davis Wiki cares about. But, that's the name of the publication, no? —WilliamLewis

Yeah, this is accurate... it's the name of the publication, not just a descriptor. When I saw the page, my first thought was that it should be switched to the full name, but I decided to wait and see what folks said about it. —TomGarberson

2010-02-04 19:09:20 I guess the wiki is only as good as *you* make it —StevenDaubert

2010-02-04 19:10:01 zing! —StevenDaubert

2010-02-06 18:31:44 Thanks for your help! Wasn't sure if it was standard to use the talk bubble at the top to link to talk pages or to link directly from the text as well. —Carl

2010-02-07 12:48:11 Hey Jason, thanks for fixing my mistakes for Davis Aikikai. Do comments have to be oldest first? As much as I respect everyone's right to a comment, our first comment is an incredibly negative one - not the norm for students of the class, yet it gets great publicity and precedence just by its position.... it would be nice if that negative "don't go here" post didn't have to ALWAYS show up on google as the second direct link to the aikikai page. I'm not trying to get rid of it, but it would be nice if it didn't have to have more weight than every other comment. Do you have any suggestions? —WendySmyerYu

The comment is archived, the person who left it established no identity, and the comment was responded to by other people with identity who put it in context. Personally I don't give any weight to comments that come from editors that haven't bothered to establish a sense of identity; they are nameless voices shouting random things in the dark to amuse themselves. —JasonAller

Ok, fair 'nuff and totally sensible... thanks! WendySmyerYu

2010-02-07 13:42:20 duplicate comment removed, sorry...—WendySmyerYu

2010-02-08 21:02:38 Nice and not wiki savvy beats nasty and not wiki savvy. Of course, wiki savvy makes for fewer follow up edits and explanations... —JabberWokky