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I have a guess on the person removing the phone numbers for ["Hunt Wesson Plant"]. If the numbers were released, chances are, someone else has the number now, and might be trying to get it removed. I get on average at least one phone call per day on my cell phone for Eli's Plumbing and Drain, in Fresnso, even though it's been closed for more than a year. Frankly, removing the numbers here isn't going to do him any good, but I'm betting it's not just meaningless vandalism. --["Users/TomGarberson"]
 * Given that the numbers are below a notice sign saying closed... wait, do people want me to stop gnoming? --["Users/JasonAller"]
  * No one wants you to stop gnoming, Jason. There's been a lot of tension in the last few days, and I think people are trying to come up with compromises, explanations, etc., in hopes of relieving that a bit. Seriously, it's not an attack; it's intended to be constructive. --tg
   * When I'm asking that question I'm trying to figure out if the nature of the wiki community has changed more than I've noticed and if my behavior that was once constructive is no longer constructive because the wiki has changed around me and I haven't changed enough along with it. I'm not asking it because I see an attack, nor am I threatening to withhold my efforts, I'm trying to figure out if I'm the source of the tension and problems. If people really don't see value in the things I'm restoring back onto pages then maybe I no longer understand the wiki and I need to stop doing that. I disagree with it, but if what I see as productive edits are a source of problems then I'm willing to reexamine why I'm doing what I'm doing. --["Users/JasonAller"]

by_dave.jpgSummer 2008 selfportrait.jpgSelf portrait taken reflected off of ceiling. portrait.jpgTrundling across the wiki, if you listen late at night you can hear the whistle of the Aller Express sounding in the distance, slowly fulfilling all the sleeping wikizen's dreams of photo requests.

Davis is a good place to live if you don't take it too seriously. In light of that I keep an open request for constructive feedback.

While talking with a colleague recently I noticed that the feel of the conversation was more small town than any I've had in a long time. I thought about it for a while and most of what made the discussion feel that way was a result of davisdaviswiki.org. It is the sharing of collective experience that humanizes not only our relationships with each other, but with our community as well. If no one else has started a wiki for your community or common interest group, you can go to wikispotwikispot and start one for free.

This wiki will only ever be as good as you are willing to make it. Please keep that in mind as you leave comments and edit. I do push for editors to establish some identity here on the wiki because I believe strongly that people are more polite when they are willing to stand behind their words with their real names. Anonymity or hiding behind an mask detracts from the community building portion of the mission of the wiki.

If you litter the wiki with poor behavior and deception it will only encourage more of the same and then ultimately everyone is denied what could have otherwise been a really nifty resource. Further thoughts on this.

I've been using the search function here more and more often because I know that I'll find what I'm looking for... or a reason to add a page.

Among the pages that I like are:

Yes, I'm fairly gnomeGnomish. I also maintained a [WWW]graph and [WWW]dataset tracking the growth of Davis wiki for a while.

I'm looking for a Life Size Statue of Bob Marley Healing a Blind Woman.

Old comments can be found in the comment archive

Not comments!

How's the recent wikis page broken?PhilipNeustrom

With Create a Wiki locked down now, I suppose Quick Edit is the next most likely one to randomly get mispurposed? -jw


It started in 08 and was multi phased, ending in late 09' The managers were the first to switch (one of the first editors of the AllegreAppt was in this group) and the whole office staff in the later phases... Call Allegre and speak with them if you want more details, I only know from a short conversation Daubert
you just had to find a way to get another "new page" creation in your stats eh? ^__~
Truth Daubert


Identity and your frustrations

I think you (and anyone else) should remove comments (and anything else) that don't add any value and you think the wiki would be better without!

Making it a requirement to establish identity on the wiki to participate is limiting. There have always been comments and contributions from people who haven't established identity here. In fact, a good portion amount of the valuable material of the wiki has been added by editors who only make a few edits here. So I think what you're asking is, "how should we deal with crappy comments from editors without identity?" And I think, if they're crappy, and you think the wiki would be better without those contributions, then remove them. In this case I think your focus on identity, rather than quality, is creating a red herring.

But if you can't verify any opinions (meaning they're purely opinion), and the claims seem ridiculous, or unnecessary, or not very useful (meaning: harmful), and there's no identity to back up the (purely) opinion, then they don't serve any purpose- so I think I'd side with axing them.

"Identity" in this case meaning: the person has edited a few other pages.

The issue of whether we should allow organizations to use non-real names to edit is a different question. —PhilipNeustrom

When the majority of fellow editors (even those who were infrequent editors) had identity I was one of the people who would rush to restore the removal of comments because I felt that the removal was disrespectful of the contributions of people who were willing to stand behind their words. I don't see those who leave negative comments from the dark shadows as fellow editors. If they step into the light I'd be more than willing to defend their contributions to the wiki, but negativity shouted in from the dark isn't something I feel is worth protecting. If there were not the comment macro then people would have had to make edits to the main entry of the page and their edits would be subject to the edits of other editors. Perhaps de-sanctifying the comments is the right solution. Are we moving toward: "Leave a comment, go ahead, but now anyone can either integrate it, delete it, or leave it. If you want your words to stick then make an edit. If your edit is non-constructive, don't expect it to stay." —JasonAller


[WWW]I like them. —cp


The back side of the owl only needed [wikipedia]Fill flash. Think you can get access again? —WilliamLewis


He was unaware of how to ask the wiki for help, and that was one of the things I discussed with him...
I'm part of the wiki, and I reached out as such but made it clear how the system worked and that I had as much power as everyone else. He asked to be called and so I hit up and explained... It's not really cutting the community out when it still has input on my edits that came as a result of contact with him... Daubert


You're talking about the printed takeout menus from their Sac location. The laminated menus meant for the Davis location say "of." —WilliamLewis


I was going to post some [WWW]exterior shots I took, but I figured I'd wait for the permanent sign. —WilliamLewis


I have a guess on the person removing the phone numbers for Hunt Wesson Plant. If the numbers were released, chances are, someone else has the number now, and might be trying to get it removed. I get on average at least one phone call per day on my cell phone for Eli's Plumbing and Drain, in Fresnso, even though it's been closed for more than a year. Frankly, removing the numbers here isn't going to do him any good, but I'm betting it's not just meaningless vandalism. —TomGarberson

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