Users/JasonAller - Davis Wiki

Summer 2008 Self portrait taken reflected off of ceiling. Trundling across the wiki, if you listen late at night you can hear the whistle of the Aller Express sounding in the distance, slowly fulfilling all the sleeping wikizen's dreams of photo requests.

Davis is a good place to live if you don't take it too seriously. In light of that I keep an open request for constructive feedback.

While talking with a colleague recently I noticed that the feel of the conversation was more small town than any I've had in a long time. I thought about it for a while and most of what made the discussion feel that way was a result of daviswiki.org. It is the sharing of collective experience that humanizes not only our relationships with each other, but with our community as well. If no one else has started a wiki for your community or common interest group, you can go to wikispot and start one for free.

This wiki will only ever be as good as you are willing to make it. Please keep that in mind as you leave comments and edit. If you litter the wiki with poor behavior and deception it will only encourage more of the same and then ultimately everyone is denied what could have otherwise been a really nifty resource. Further thoughts on this.

I've been using the search function here more and more often because I know that I'll find what I'm looking for... or a reason to add a page.

Among the pages that I like are:

Yes, I'm fairly Gnomish. I also maintained a graph and dataset tracking the growth of Davis wiki for a while.

I'm looking for a Life Size Statue of Bob Marley Healing a Blind Woman.

Old comments can be found in the comment archive

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2008-07-24 12:51:34 Thanks for the encouragement! You and Jabber have successfully talked me off the ledge. —Sankofa416

2008-07-25 12:45:08 Thank you very much for keeping on top of comment abuse. I really appreciate you stopping lisagoetz from editing/deleting my comments. Thanks for your hard work. —DaveCar

2008-07-26 21:19:28 Don't worry about need-for-content on BroodingHippie's profile. The original user died three years ago—I'm not certain whether BH's family uses the account to browse the wiki. It's a tribute more than anything. —JudithTruman

2008-07-27 13:09:32 Thank you for the greeting :) —Anja

2008-08-16 18:57:10 Probably a bit late now (eep!), but next time we could probably just run a script on the server to do the link -> user page link conversion. We've done it before with a few things when formatting changes. —PhilipNeustrom

I've been doing other cleanup along the way, so the effort isn't a wasted one. Plus churning up some stagnant pages has prompted some other people to update them. —JasonAller

2008-08-17 21:49:44 I've been seeing you fixing many broken links. Did something change that broke all of the links on the wiki? —IDoNotExist

JabberWokky already explained this, but I'll add a bit to what he said. Yes, I'm trying to clean up some namespace issues that are the result of the evolution that Davis Wiki went through when Wiki Spot was born. The issue doesn't exist on other Wiki Spot wikis because they were created after Wiki Spot and didn't need the name hack. The other thing that correcting the links does is make it easier to get information on a user and see all the pages that link to their user page. Right now some of the editors that were around before the switch have half of their signed comments linked to the redirect and half to their page. I'm consolidating those onto their page and taking the opportunity to make other minor fixes as I go through the pages. It also will allow us in the long term to delete those redirect that are no longer linked both internally and externally. That step will probably need to involve running the referring link from the server logs through a script to sort them out. —JasonAller

2008-08-19 01:59:31 I have heard of spammers using tactics like this to get people's email addresses. I may have been a bit overzealous, but the all-caps, poorly-written, asking-for-emails set off my suspicions. Feel free to return the comments, I just felt that they didn't add to the page or the reviews in question. —JoePomidor

2008-08-24 12:39:50 what exactly do I do? change it from /stevendaubert to users/stevendaubert ? —StevenDaubert

2008-08-24 12:48:01 I will gnome it up here pretty soon, I just have to irl —StevenDaubert

2008-08-24 13:16:36 Thanks for taking time out for me. I have a particularly short fuse when it comes to this so I'll try not to let that get the better of me. How do I change my name anyway? —gager

Click on your userpage (see how gager has an underline) and look to the bottom —StevenDaubert

2008-08-24 13:49:43 negative, I did read the lyrics though —StevenDaubert

2008-08-24 19:40:18 Jason, thanks a lot for the welcome and for salvaging my 1st try to create a representative page about my business ... I appreciate any hint that makes this platform even more useful and valuable to the people in Davis. Best regards, Hogan. —Hogan

2008-08-25 17:19:43 Thank you for all of your help. It means a great deal to me. Mike —gager

2008-08-25 17:35:39 just took a look at your graph of daviswiki pages. cool! whats up with that massive singularity where the graph jumps about a thousand pages in 1 day? (around 4/2007) —watson

A software upgrade that resulted in the automatic creation of extra pages for each person who had a page. I've been slowly working to correct that issue over time. Obviously I haven't been updating the graph recently. —JasonAller

2008-08-26 20:49:47 hey Jasaon, I seem to have mistakenly deleted the entire page when I was trying to delete a term in one of my edits long ago on the page (Tom Waltz) I don't know how to restore it. It was a mistake, honestly. I need help. —gager

2008-08-26 20:58:27 I was trying to erase a term that kept coming up in a search. sorry to be a pest and all but how would I do that?

—gager

If it is the term you were concerned about before I think it was left in a hidden comment on the page. Anything on a line starting with two #'s is a hidden comment that is useful for leaving notes for other editors. Let me go look at the page. —JasonAller

2008-08-26 21:07:27 it is hidden. As I just responded to Daubert, I was kinda thinking that we could remove the term altogether? —gager

So remove it. However as this is a wiki, and this is Davis... it would not surprise me that some incoming student unaware of the history of that term on the wiki will create it again. Leaving that hidden comment is a way to lessen the likelihood of that happening. —JasonAller

2008-08-26 21:14:35 I was trying to do that in the first place. Hopefully someone (me if it must be) would correct or educated the IFM that derrogatory terms are not tolerated in wikiland. I will try my inept editing skills once more. who knows, maybe I will one day be a wiki gnome. god forbid. —gager

2008-08-26 21:34:09 so far, this is the only site I've found that had a direct reference to my brother as such. I know that I must seem a bit of a pain in the ass to some people here. But I've found most to be understanding and compassionate. Simply, some people don't understand. Just as I might not understand the philosophies of some on this site. All I want is for my brother not to be referenced in a derogatory way. At All. I am way out of my leauge here in terms of editing and being savy to the wiki. I hope that the community sees this as the greater good. I appreciate the support. —gager

This is the only site that specifically references that?! I was on google two days ago and found an aboutdavis that was nasty, a myspace of some 17 year old at DHS who fears your brother, and 3-4 various articles that bring it up passing in neutral sort of way.

—StevenDaubert
P.S. if you want to brush up on your editing skills, just tool around help on editing and focus a little bit on each subject per day (15 minutes, don't overload yourself) etc

2008-08-30 20:53:37 Dude, you're a link-fixing machine! —jefftolentino

Yeah, this makes me kinda sad. We should automate this. How many more links are there to fix?

There are 585 redirects that need to be cleared at this point. I haven't calculated how many pages need to be changed to clear them. I am using the opportunity to make other edits beyond just the mechanical fixes, so it isn't a totally lost effort. —JasonAller

How many pages with user links that need fixing are left, though? If it's a lot then we should just use a script and spare your sanity!

2008-09-04 05:08:43 could it have been two people at the scene not able to use same account? -AsianguY + roommate (Joon) we call people who comment on others while not actually understanding the full situation "not knowing" as in "not" and "know(-ing)" form the dictionary. —Joon

2008-09-07 12:23:48 How many links are left to fix? —PhilipNeustrom

somewhere between 470 and 1500? —JasonAller
I would like to get this done before school starts up again, so Recent Changes becomes a list of currently relevant pages again. It does give a good chance to spellcheck, though. —BrentLaabs

yeah, this is what's ticking me a bit. this is a really easy script to write - i just have no time this week. just iterate through all pages, get the page text, look for links, see if they're users and don't start with users/ and then rename them...
What I'd like your help with is figuring out the best way given the log rotation to identify username redirects that are safe to delete from an outside link perpective. I agree that Recent Changes should go back to useful in time for the new crop of students. I just wanted to clean this out this summer, so I started in on it and think I've gotten pretty far. The scripted solution has issues because there are some name collisions that look like username redirects, but aren't. There are also some links to ["UserName"] that should be public figure pages that were created by friends of the non-user. —JasonAller

I wouldn't bother deleting these. What's the point?
The "new style" link fixes make sense in a "learn by example" sense. Deleting the redirects seems to just be cleaning up for the sake of editors and not really for the wiki itself. While I'm not opposed to it if there's some way to figure out what doesn't have an outside link, I don't see a strong reason to delete them while there's a decent reason not to (outside links). Unless it's a orphaned pages cleanup, which makes vague sense (since having them all there reduces the ability to find legitimately orphaned entries). —jw

I kind of don't think we should have tribute pages at all. Its bad like Visor Lady. If they and their position isn't already well known then they should be explained in the context of some group, like "officers of LUGOD" or "executive director of steac". Even then they don't need their own page, it should be on the page that provides their context to people who don't otherwise know of them. I think by the time somebody runs for office though they should have their own page if they don't make it themself for their own self-promotion, which I think is fine. —NickSchmalenberger

2008-09-07 13:42:05 Not that much better, really. I'm actually happier because I thought it was a funny joke. —BrentLaabs

2008-09-08 07:08:44 You had asked... It's a pain to find, and I'm about to run out of my preferred brand. Sarah and I are trying our hand at making some in the next couple days, but I figured when I found the supplier in Sacramento, I'd add it to the wiki for others who might be searching for it. —JabberWokky

2008-09-11 22:44:33 damn, I snooze I loose on the gnomage ='( —StevenDaubert

2008-09-11 22:49:02 I wonder if an entry has been made for the new dim sum ish place in the East Davis Mall / Dollar tree lot... —StevenDaubert

2008-09-17 20:07:10 I have a question for you (you commented after my link from Heron to Help Computer Services was removed). Would it be tact-less to comment on Heron, simply reminding people that there are other computer repair shops in town? —MasonMurray

2008-09-28 20:58:01 You are aware there exist redirect pages for all the old user links, you know this right, now why do you go through, spending all your time, updating all the links, or is this a way to make sure you read every comment/page on the wiki. Could you update some of the other incorrect info while you are there? I don't have the free time these days :) —DavidPoole

See Link Fixes —JasonAller

2008-09-29 19:55:34 no

he does business in Davis, and I see him in Davis all the time

—StevenDaubert

2008-09-29 20:06:33 What do you propose? Interwiki link or something? How can I appease you on this matter? —StevenDaubert

Actually now that I put the link to it from your page it isn't an orphan and I'm totally ok with it. —JasonAller

2008-10-01 09:12:50 The Utilities page is a fabulous idea. —ElleWeber

And I assume it was prompted by the photo I mentioned? If not, it's a perfect place to start that set of entries from. —jw

2008-10-04 13:25:16 Please — no more username cleanup edits! Someone can write a script to delete all of the unused redirects (and we can run it on the server). —PhilipNeustrom

2008-10-04 15:37:46 I see you just created a redirect page for STS. STS also stands for Science and Technology Studies, although it looks as though that page could use some updating. —CovertProfessor

2008-10-12 23:25:43 nope, but im going to delete it tomorow —ChrisWaterstraat

2008-10-12 23:49:39 deleted, just for you —ChrisWaterstraat

2008-11-01 17:57:57 Hard to judge by a single photo, but I think the lizard you posted might actually be a Sagebrush. They're related, and males also have a bit of blue on the underside. This guess is based on the coloring/pattern from the topview. —EdWins

2008-11-07 11:23:57 I think the community needs a discussion on the relevance of including campaign contributions on a subject's page. If I weren't so busy, I would have started one already. In general, though, I think that the political views of the owner are irrelevant to their business unless the owner is more famous for their politics than their business. In that case, it would be better to have a public figure page and link to it from their business' page. —WilliamLewis

2008-11-07 11:48:55 Because (as I understand it) it was a personal contribution from an employee (albeit a part owner), it was not the business as an entity that made a statement. I agree with William, that personal matters aren't relevant to the business unless the business owner makes a point of it - not the case here. It is irrational and unreasonable to only support businesses where every single employee agrees with your beliefs on a personal level. —PeterAnselmo

2008-11-08 08:21:58 As of yesterday evening, there was a house on Villanueva, a bit west of Anderson, that had a Yes on 8 sign in one window and a No on 8 sign in another. —JessicaLuedtke

2008-11-15 10:49:25 Links can be forced? I thought users had 100% control over private pages lol. —EliYani

You do have control, the "force" was that it wasn't a natural link, but one that had to be artificially created. Linkless pages are dead ends. —JasonAller
and technically people don't have 100% control over their login name page, but a much higher degree of autonomy. Content there is still under the Creative Commons License, terms and conditions still apply, etc. —JasonAller

2008-11-16 19:17:18 Yeah, duh, I probably should have checked the original source. I'm not thrilled about this outing of employees, but Shawn is undoubtedly the owner. —DonShor

2008-11-17 22:09:33 What do you mean? —JoseBleckman

Your relationship with Steve, his apparent editing from your IP address, etc. —JasonAller

I've been friends with him for years, just as one of the recent no voters has been enemies with him for years. I think by this point everyone knows who is who, just as I am sure everyone has noticed that since he was been banned there has been much less balance on the ASUCD pages. The wiki community can, of course, vote to keep the quieter less informative statis quo. It is just not a vote that I support, seeing as I prefer seeing both sides presented in arguments. —JoseBleckman

That was much more clearly stated than the comment on the ban page. Thank you. My concern was that many people don't know all of the players, and there has been time for many new people to join the wiki while he has been gone. —JasonAller

2008-11-19 15:47:57 I agree that my comment on the Sophia's page, as it relates to the function of a Wiki, may be considered inappropriate, however, I do feel it is appropriate as it relates to those who own, either in entirety or a large share, a business. Thanks, Jason, for deleting my comment from the Sophia's page. As for Mr. Lewis, I would appreciate it if you were respectful in your comments. I'm not looking to attack anyone personally. —condemned2bfree

2008-11-22 20:39:03 Thanks for the info! I'll definitely check both sources out. —CurlyGirl26

2008-11-23 20:05:39 They were pages I made before I knew the differences between public page and a personal page. They're just friends, you can delete them. —JamesSchwab

2008-11-29 11:52:39 What are you trying to say? Don't talk to new folks on the wiki? Don't make confusing statements or JasonAller will obfuscate at you? I wasn't trying to be funny...

I figured he was Petrovich, and then I confirmed so I added more. What do you want from me? I thought it could have been a sibling or a relative instead of the man the myth. —StevenDaubert

All I'm asking is that some sensitivity be used when dealing with new users. If we want to be inclusive and make it possible to grow it pays to step back once in a while and welcome the new users and consider what kind of welcome we are giving them. It really sets the tone of the entire wiki. Check out what Paul's introduction to the wiki has been like so far. He signed up under his real name (assumption, but lets go with it), removed some content. The content was reverted and a message was left for him. Then I added a Welcome and a pointer to help explain further how to work with the wiki. Maybe I should have left a comment for William instead of you... I don't know. Ask yourself if the wiki would be better with more participants that have had a welcome and some initial guidance, or as just a cyber-hangout for those who attend the Wiki Gatherings? —JasonAller

2008-11-30 12:39:26 I'm not sure. Is there a page on distributed computing? On donating things? On volunteering? On medicine or the environment? —IDoNotExist

2008-12-05 22:05:08 You were saying that I shouldn't have removed the link to the Paragon. But the Paragon is a dead link and the establishment itself is also gone.

—GregKuperberg

2008-12-07 15:42:32 Is the Montgomery Ave picture of a bridge? Or just some sort of side-barrier? If a bridge, does it have a keystone like the "Old Bridge" in the Arboretum? —TheAmazingLarry

It is a bridge. The bridge has two bike bridges on either side. I'm not sure about the keystone... I'll have to look the next time I get out that way. —JasonAller

2008-12-14 10:36:41 Is there an easy way to add a non-visible keyword to text that will still show up on a search? For example, the proper ID code for Yolo County Airport is KDWA as shown. However, a search of DWA should also turn up the same thing. The "K" on the code indicates USA and is often omitted. —JimStewart

2008-12-14 20:36:31 I'm undecided. My opinion is that any unsubstantiated accusation of illegal activities should just be removed immediately, especially the ones that are one-time postings. Accusing a business owner of hiring illegal aliens is probably libel, or something like it, and it isn't the first time it's happened on the Wiki. But I'd be curious what others think. I would take the whole comment off of the Natural Food Works page, but I don't know if removing a post is considered worse than editing it. —DonShor

2008-12-21 14:24:52 your on a roll right now! keep up the good work —StevenDaubert

Dang, I got distracted by someone leaving a comment on my page... —JasonAller

2008-12-31 08:39:04 I've long thought it would be a cool addition to the wiki to have a sort of "history of infrastructural development" of the city; like a description of the physical growth of the city over time. It could be structured around a time line of major developments like bridges and major roads, neighborhood additions, and water management systems, etc. Do you think this would be useful or interesting? And if so, any suggestions on how to get it started? —TheAmazingLarry

Either adding to the timeline pages, creating a separate timeline, putting together an animated .gif file? I know that at one point I put together a page on the Annexation History from some City GIS information. I think it is all interesting information to capture. —JasonAller

2008-12-31 14:38:07 How come you reverted Downtown Chiropractic back to version 15? The picture is of Ray's old location and is no longer accurate. Also, he no longer offers massage services... I guess he could refer a patient though. And he is no longer in the old location of Mothersource (Massage By Caren is). I'm new to this so I may have goofed by editing. if so, a gentle correction and a pointer in the right direction would be great. thanks —SteveW

2008-12-31 14:40:29 How come you reverted Downtown Chiropractic back to version 15? The picture is of Ray's old location and is no longer accurate. Also, he no longer offers massage services... I guess he could refer a patient though. And he is no longer in the old location of Mothersource (Massage By Caren is). I'm new to this so I may have goofed by editing. if so, a gentle correction and a pointer in the right direction would be great. thanks —SteveW

2008-12-31 14:57:14 no problem moving the mothersource reference, but the pic is not accurate and could (or maybe has) directed Ray's patients into Caren's business/home. Not a big deal, but it is an interruption to Caren to have to redirect Ray's patients... part of the reason she wanted to update the Downtown Chiro page and create one for her business. I'm not gonna complain either way. thanks —SteveW

2009-01-01 12:38:09 your on a tear again! —StevenDaubert

2009-01-07 12:32:17 Ya i made it for her —MattCorey

2009-01-08 03:27:01 Oh thanks for working on my profile as a wiki gnome. I didn't provide links to the wikipages through my profile because I'm still kind of new to the whole editing thing. —WengFF

2009-01-09 00:34:54 Gah you are very /talk -y these days. —DavidPoole

Ok, I fixed the unlinked talk pages. Now you can get together with IDoNotExist and write a patch for Wiki Spot so that it doesn't have to be done manually in the future. —JasonAller

2009-01-09 15:58:47 Thanks bud. —EdWins

You are welcome. Thanks for cleaning up some of those pages that I stirred up from the depths of the vast pool of stagnant pages. —JasonAller

2009-01-17 10:59:33 :D I like pruning old, dead branches and tidying up loose ends. I'm glad that encourages you to plant and help grow new seeds :P —EdWins

2009-01-18 18:54:21 Links for wanted pages are automatically generated. additionally it is such that, one cannot create a page for [..] nor [.] due to their function in file system structure. —DavidPoole

Yup, all true. What I'm asking is, that if the pages are showing up on Wanted Pages and if they can't be created, that you remove the links so that they stop showing up as wanted pages. —JasonAller

An alternate solution is obvious. Of course, it's David's entry, but that solution would probably satisfy both of you... I use it on the hub wiki for subtle administrative links all the time. —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards

2009-01-21 19:54:46 I am not too sure what you are talking about, but I may have deleted someone's comments by mistake because we were editing the same page in the same time. This was not my intention. —Michael777

2009-01-21 20:15:43 Again I am not too sure what you are talking about. Clearness would be appreciated, but if people don't want their comments deleted, why should I have mine deleted? —Michael777

2009-01-21 20:35:20 I did also write the comments in the What Alcohol Does To One's Health page but someone deleted them. —Michael777

2009-01-21 20:45:28 I suppose people just spend all their time removing other people's comments that are against their petty personal ideas and saying it was off subject... And then they say that we should not remove their comments. Easy. And they call this "respect" or "consideration"? —Michael777

2009-01-24 20:27:53 Thanks for the gnoming, I'm a little inexperienced, and wasn't sure how to switch Clifford's page from public to private. I'm still learning —EliYani

2009-01-28 19:24:58 What request for input? —IDoNotExist

This one. —JasonAller

2009-01-31 08:49:30 am I crazy or can I just not find the page that shows notable references to the Daviswiki in print... —StevenDaubert

2009-01-31 12:27:15 can you please help us to put the comment archive in the right place. thanks —DarkSide

2009-01-31 14:24:12 i dont really understand the different pages you are talking about, but i would greatly appreciate your help in doing what you are saying! and if you could help link the pages to the elections website, that would be fantastic too! —willklein

2009-01-31 18:32:16 hey, thanks for the help! I would like to save the Bike Church as well, both incorporating the Bike Church into the bike barn and the AAA program are currently in the works, so I would like to ensure they both get to fruition —willklein

2009-02-01 11:00:02 I'd imagine most people typically introduce themselves with their first name (Edwin) or a nickname (Ed, Eddie, etc). Usually though, you also meet who you're introducing yourself to. When buying groceries and meeting a pal's friend, you're not standing in front of a potential crowd blindly addressing god knows who. People from afar can't research, stalk, and look you up if you introduce yourself at a farmers market. (Unless they're the government, I suppose <.<) —EdWins

2009-02-02 20:39:04 No I didn't. I'm an employee though. I'll just take it down for now and if my boss wants it, he can put it up. —mperkel

2009-02-02 22:41:35 Thank you —katieLytle

2009-02-05 13:22:32 This edit (after your edit comment) made me giggle. —EdWins

2009-02-05 15:39:31 should include about review get scattered on all the restaurants? —StevenDaubert

2009-02-07 20:09:19 Removed the image of the shop itself because it doesn't yet have our new store logo on it.. After seeing it constantly being placed back on the screen I moved it to where the logo is now and made it smaller trying to emphasize the logo and not the image of the door, but that also keeps getting changed back. —WesOne

How about taking a new photo? The other thing to keep in mind is that by having the logo on the page directly it is released under the Creative Commons-By license. —JasonAller

2009-02-10 20:09:33 Generally the biggest issue with working with The California Aggie right now is that they're really distracted by financial woes (in addition to just getting a paper published). So, the process is moving slowly, but moving forward. —BrentLaabs

2009-02-19 23:42:48 thank you I was wondering how to fix that. I didn't mean to delete the page just the comment :) Thanks again! —srtuck

2009-02-24 03:17:55 Thanks. Usually I'll make a page when I'm looking for information, and it's a nice way to organize the information I gather. Plus, doing it this way makes it so everyone else can benefit from it, too. —MaryLieth

2009-02-25 21:24:14 You might want to define "sockpuppet" or link to a definition of it when using the term with non-gnomish people. I'm not sure that many non-wikifolk would know what the term means... —IDoNotExist

2009-02-25 21:50:10 See the sockpuppet page. —IDoNotExist

2009-02-25 22:06:29 Errr..wow. :-)

Well, you did ask for a sockpuppet page! —IDoNotExist

2009-02-26 22:05:38 I've thought about it quite a lot over the last few years. I always enjoyed it overall, particularly when I actually had things of potential use to add. Many of my friends didn't really want to become involved. I think it comes down to an identity issue. (In short - I could talk about this a lot, I have with many people). Some view the wiki as a positive open community (in an idealistic way), some see it as a useful resource, and the bulk of student visitors see it as more of a community website: a more interactive, more personal version of Yelp for example. IMO, people have entrenched. I think often regular editors quickly form up in a "us vs them" nature that is off putting to newbies. The nature however can't easily be changed - most visitors visit with a destination in mind, or to learn about Davis randomly by browsing, but I imagine few follow Recent Changes and edit histories. While many, (particularly you and JW) are kind and patient, there are times it's easy to feel like a newbie is a second class editor. And telling people that using a Yelp/forum/internet style name is not sufficient, and a few single edits won't be taken seriously, adds to that. They fiddle around, see the "big" guys, and feel intimidated. If you want to put it in terms of a social gathering like at a Farmers Market, it's hard to walk into and break into the established crowd. Especially if you're used to other websites and forums, or other venues where most people have just met or don't regularly interact. People are being given a choice: either they can invest seriously in what they felt was just a comment/review type site to have themselves feel validated, or they are discouraged and either lurk or end up posting in other avenues. Casual editing often seems to be discouraged (and specifically on restaurant pages discounted), while casual editing is what, in my opinion, increases peoples confidence and enjoyment and is what draws them into eventually becoming regular wiki contributors. Specifically on the restaurant pages, as restaurants/shopping is the original major draw of many visitors to this resource. I can't imagine how to try to alter any perceived problems with this - especially as everyone would feel differently and I'm sure many might disagree with my assessment. But as I mentioned above, I've spoken with many, many people who've felt that way about the Wiki. Not quite since launch, but in the following years, the sentiment grew. —EdWins

I kept the other comments on the moved page because they seem contextually related, such that if they were kept on the page without the preceding conversation, they wouldn't make as much sense. What do you think? -ZN

2009-02-27 07:31:35 I'd also add on what I mentioned briefly (in my Alphadog comment earlier). The wiki has grown and changed remarkably, and that affects the community. Early on, it was spread exclusively by word of mouth and perhaps a zealous person putting out flyers. DW was the cool little community project. As time passed and it grew, it started to become prominent in other places: google searches, mentions on websites like Yelp, Aggie articles, etc. Now, way way more of the casual and new editors are people who end up "falling" into it, in direct contrast to how it used to be when people were almost being personally introduced into it and the concept of real local community. I think that's a major contributor to how many people view, and edit, on the wiki (as I just mentioned above) as opposed to how long-time editors are seeing it. And I think that becomes clear when you look at the more popular restaurant pages here. The bulk of comments added are now often from random unknown people to "single post commenters". Completely different style to it than when the wiki was just starting to hit big growth in 2005, and this again leads to the notion to many of the casual/new editors of the Yelp sort of site, drawing even more people here. Cyclically, I'd imagine. Especially when, as people have noted here before, Yelp comments sometimes include things like "Just check the DavisWiki for reviews". These are just all thoughts, and I may disagree with what I've just posted in a few days, but I think in broad general terms it's reasonably rational for at least a decent sized proportion of the newbies/casual editors/visitors. —EdWins

2009-03-01 21:34:52 Jason, I'm not sure I understand the question. Perhaps you could rephrase? —GeoffJohnson

A long time ago you created a page for Mark It was never linked from anywhere and so it shows up on the Orphaned Pages report. —JasonAller

2009-03-04 18:48:50 It's Back-Off edit warring, see the edit history. —BrentLaabs

2009-03-04 20:56:50 Re: "Removed comment, comment should be directed to Tree Davis, not Artis Tree - JasonAller" Well, I would put my comment on the TREEDavis page, if it still existed. With all the concern about preserving spelling, grammar errors and original content in general on the DavisWiki, outright removal of a comment without affording the commenter a choice of alternative placement
prevents free and open exchanges of ideas. SredniVashtar

This is the page you are looking for. -M.
Not me. SredniVashtar

2009-03-05 17:30:47 Were you able to do that with a straight face? Heh. —EdWins

Darn tootin' I was. I may be a lousy poker player, but I've got a great poker face. —JasonAller

2009-03-14 18:21:31 http://xkcd.com/242/ (don't forget to read the mouse-over text!) :D —EdWins

2009-03-17 08:12:18 Seems like srednivashtar 'really' wants to remove his comments on Chiles Mansion. Maybe it's better to let Jeremy decide if he also wants to delete his stranded comment? —MattJurach

To a point that would be fine, however at that point the responsibility rests with srednivashtar to contact Jeremy. Even at that point it may still not be the right course of action depending on the circumstances. Remember that every comment and edit you make are published under the Creative Commons-By license and as such it is available for use by the Wiki Community. Once published it is out there and there is a record of it that can't be removed in the page's edit history. —JasonAller

2009-03-17 18:49:59 Haha, definitely, I was just curious how everyone was going to react when the same situation crops up but without the same back-and-forth that has been happening on the library page. —JoePomidor

2009-03-19 15:24:30 Oh, is that why those other streets are listed? I couldn't figure it out. It might be nice to have a description: "These streets cross paths with (Street Name)". It's probably obvious to most people, but sometimes it's helpful to really spell out the obvious. —ElleWeber

2009-03-23 09:31:40 Hey, thanks for the welcome to the area! I am also really glad that you pointed out my statements, They held true in Seattle, as well as the helmet thing being true in WI and CO, so I'm surprised to see they're different here. I've already gone and changed the statements I made to more truthful ones (kept them in though since they are still a danger, just made it clear to that effect). —Jteeples

2009-03-25 22:14:28 Banning? Oh come on! Yes, he's being difficult.... but I can understand where he's coming from. Ownership of one's writing is pretty common. —WilliamLewis

I thought I'd try pulling a Brent. ;) —JasonAller

2009-03-27 04:44:20 Thanks for cleaning up the Dance Baby and Mojo stuff. —JabberWokky

This entry needs to be edited by somebody. Since somebody else wants you to do it for them, they have tagged this entry so they don't have to do it themselves, and instead be happy that they added a pretty looking notice that points out the obvious in the same amount of time it takes to just fix it themselves. Please do it for them, as they want it fixed. Now.

2009-03-27 13:44:55 It was when I was new to the wiki and was joking around making some friend pages. Nothing really to link them to. —JamesSchwab

2009-03-28 12:43:49 It's a pain in the ass, but I'll take care of it. —EliYani

2009-03-28 18:29:06 I left you a note inside of the text of Frank T's

enjoy —StevenDaubert

2009-03-28 19:02:24 I think you need to look again (look at the times) ¬_¬

here is a handy url http://dixon-ca.wikispot.org/Recent_Changes —StevenDaubert

2009-03-28 23:59:00 buh —StevenDaubert

2009-03-31 19:24:55 I'm not sure that I understand the relation between the "what are your five favorite things in Davis?" question and someone posting for a business...? —IDoNotExist

It is an attempt to get some of those "role" accounts to take a look at the username they are using and reconsider. If Management posts to another business page it will certainly cause confusion. If they aren't free to participate on other pages because they are posting from what they perceive as a "business account" then that creates problems as well. The other issue with these accounts is it opens up real problems with impersonation. Using your real name avoids all of these issues. —JasonAller

I know we've been over this before (and just recently), but I'm inclined to agree with IDoNotExist. First, although you're right that there is a big problem with the username "Management," that problem is different from the general "problem" (if it's a problem) of someone posting with an anonymous name. It seems to me that the wiki is well within its rights to disallow a confusing name like that. Second, I admit that I also find the "five favorite things in Davis" confusing, especially targeted towards a business person but also in general. Surely I've articulated at least five of my favorite things in Davis by now, and yet I am still relatively anonymous (though of course unbeknownst to me some enterprising person may have figured out my identity). —CovertProfessor

I hope that the two of you will feel free to welcome a few new users as well. That way we can get some diversity of welcomes and I can learn from the both of you what elements of a welcome work better than the parts that I'm using. I've only been using the five things comment with "role" based user names, I'm not using it with general anonymous name welcomes. My perception is that if someone is editing only "their" business under a "role" account that they are missing out on the rest of the wiki. It wouldn't make sense to see a review on Dos Coyotes from a user called "TacoBellManager" and it would be sort of odd to read a review by an apartment complex of a tire shop. Their choice of a "role" account name limits how they can participate, which is an unnecessary limitation. I also see this as the sort of issue that grows. If they continue to edit under these names, other apartment managers will think that they should follow that example, and that isn't productive. I'd rather try to educate a few of these folks so that they switch to either their real name, or a non "role" name at least. —JasonAller
As I've mentioned before, the use of a "Real Name" doesn't in any way imply that the real name is actually the user's actual name. Really, a real name is just a real sounding name (TM). In other words, a really real name that really is really real can not be distinguished from a real sounding fake real name that is really real sounding but is really as real as any fake nonreal name that you might wish to make up. Really. And if a role based fake real name user wishes to assume a different fake real name to assume a new real role, they can do so at any time, even maintaining both real roles with real fake names simultaneously. In other words, the use of a Real Sounding Name gets the Wiki community nothing in terms of being able to tell who someone is, except perhaps the invalid assumption that they can believe someone based on their name rather than their actions. —IDoNotExist

While I agree with you, that's not what JasonAller is talking about. I believe his point is simple: an account titled "TraderJoesOwner" is limited to posting only to the Trader Joe's page. The name doesn't matter, as long as he's not acting as a representative of a business. Whether the owners name is Michael Western or John Smith doesn't matter, heck he can go by the account name of "Fuzzypinksocks." We know that JA and others might prefer a "real name" over Fuzzypinksocks (which is what your comment I think is about), but he's saying that any of those names are better than being a representative with a name like "TraderJoesOwner," which limits the account. -ES
I don't think that there's a good solution to that. It's fundamental to the structure and ideals of the Wiki. We could potentially implement some solution-like things, such as moderation (see Slashdot.org), metamoderation (see slashdot.org), and strong authentication (No, not really. It would burden the Wiki with all sorts of legal issues that I'll leave it to the legal eagles among us to sort out.) Or, we might just not worry about it, flag likely issues, and remove obvious spam and fake comments. —IDoNotExist

There is a big difference between trying to create a programmatic solution and politely trying to explain that someone's fly is open. It feels like somewhere along the line you got the idea that I was looking for a programmatic solution and now every time the issue comes up it feels like you are trying to talk me out of something that I'm not trying to do. I'm trying to politely explain to these people that their fly is open, I'm not walking around clamping chastity belts on people. If there is a better way to let these people know, "Hey, buddy, your barn door is open" I'd be happy to hear it. Even better would be if some other people joined in so that it doesn't fall to me to point it out. —JasonAller

Ok, I have a better idea of what you're up to now. My suggestion would be to just be direct — something along the lines of: Welcome to the Wiki, see business owner page, etc... but you may want to change your user name to your real name or something more general. We want to encourage wiki contributors to contribute to many different sorts of pages on the wiki, and your chosen name seems to limit you to only to editing page X. —CovertProfessor

2009-03-31 23:05:40 How about a wiki greeting page that you see when you create an account, rather than when you post something (and possibly never think to look at your user page, esp. if you are doing a one-off posting?) While I don't think that such a page should suggest using your real fake name, it could suggest proper wiki etiquette, and also politely mention that various undesirable behaviors are easily detected, and may be removed by other users as needed... —IDoNotExist

Right now each signup at Wiki Spot goes through the same process, we don't impose rules that would work for one community on all communities. As such, if people click signup before having a look around the place we will run into this issue. It might be possible to allow each wiki to put forth a "Read before signing up", but if someone signs up for Sacramento Wiki and then comes here we still have the same sorts of issues. It does require constant education and outreach. I was even in favor of an admin level function that would hide IP addresses on certain wikis. That way there could be a wiki for abuse survivors that used only anonymous account names, and someone could edit there both IP and name anonymous, but turn around, log out and back in, and edit under their real name on a community wiki. That feature hasn't been added either. Wiki Spot is trying to get to the point through fundraising and grants where it can support paid rather than volunteer development efforts. If you want these sort of things and you believe in the potential of this tool, be sure to help out with fundraising. —JasonAller

2009-04-01 15:17:57 Hi, we tried to upload a picture to our page- the picture name is: Urban Body - Best Tattoo & Piercing Shop in Yolo.jpg from some reason we can't do it- can you please help us with that we want it to appear on the top of the page next to our shop picture. thanks in advance for your help.

—UrbanBodyStaff

2009-04-02 17:47:36 This is hilarious! —PhilipNeustrom

2009-04-03 13:02:51 I'm interested in the status of user SredniVashtar, I've been lethargically following the goings on regarding him/her. Last edit you made to the user page says you will be making a ban discussion page, but I do not see one. —MasonMurray

I've been working on other things that were more productive. —JasonAller

2009-04-04 16:55:03 Just teasing, of course! :) —TheAmazingLarry

2009-04-08 09:17:03 Thanks! The hop pics are taken in Germany, I found them on wikipedia. —matiasek

2009-04-09 22:21:56 Obviously this person is feeling a bit hesitant about the reaction to her leaving the group... why not cut her some slack and let her leave off the attribution and time stamp if she wishes? Many won't know how to dig in the history to find it, or even know think to look in the first place. —CovertProfessor

Partly because by restoring it and pointing out the page history feature in my welcome to her it lets her know that it wasn't as anonymous as she was trying to make it. Partly because, as much as I'm not a fan of that particular organization, they deserve as fair a playing field as the wiki can provide. Short answer, to restore balance. —JasonAller
I kind of agreed with CP here. Different people will have different preferences about how the wiki should be, and generally I am inclined to tolerate when the result is more points of view are visible. As far as wikignomery goes, her text seems the most appropriate for the Experiences page, maybe she would like to put it there? Is unattributed posting there acceptable if she knows its not super anonymous? I'm also not sure how I feel about saying "you have these problems so you belong here on the wiki", I guess she should be given the choice? Mostly I think one person could have explained about the anonymity/attribution to her and somebody else could have done the removal if they felt it was appropriate, even a Grace Valley person if any are still paying attention to the wiki. —NickSchmalenberger

Would one of you step up then and reach out to her on her page? I feel like taking a gnome vacation. —JasonAller

2009-04-17 20:05:16 How was your vacation? —TheAmazingLarry

I took the gnome vacation so that others could step up and match their actions to their words, but came back to a pile of unhandled gnoming. There were unwelcomed people, unlinked pages and sockpuppets who hadn't been introduced to themselves. —JasonAller

I believe you actually want chewing gum

2009-04-18 12:34:37 Your work shouldn't be taken for granted. Maybe we could have a weekly or so volunteer schedule of who is taking care of these things? As many people as want to could volunteer at once, but it might be clearer when nobody is really doing it. —NickSchmalenberger

2009-04-22 21:42:52 Hey thanks for making our page all pretty and adding the links, we are newbs at this, and thanks for the luck too. —Zeeba

2009-04-25 09:25:52 proof that you have too much free time. I dont even know who you are. Does it make you feel big to pick on some random person through a wiki? —RealComputers

Do you really not understand what Davis Wiki is about? Did you stumble in here without looking around? I'm not picking on you; you wandered into the product of the collective efforts of 9000 people and ignored all of the conventions and established patterns for interaction. People reached out to you and tried to show you resources that would help you understand how to reach an end result that would benefit you, your business and the wiki. You ignored every attempt to reach out to you. One of your first edits was to go to the page for your prior employers business and remove all of the content on it and replace it with a nasty comment; what sort of message did that send to the rest of us about your sense of style and ethics? As to saying that you don't know who I am, I stand behind every edit I've made with my real name instead of a pseudonym or a role based account. —JasonAller

"what sort of message did that send to the rest of us about your sense of style and ethics?" A rhetorical question, I know, but when I followed a link to the edit... !!! Yeah, retaliation is what I want to see from someone I'd give access to my hard drive! Well, who knows how this'll play out in time. —DougWalter

2009-04-25 19:44:07 I'm not saying it was handled inappropriately. I'm not making any judgment on that. I just think rude comments should be saved for the comments section, not the body of the article. —jsogul

2009-04-26 21:10:06 ahh, its supposed to be a place where students can create groups to share notes with eachother, and given the student population here I figure it's relevant. Thanks for the welcome —MK121

2009-04-27 11:50:35 I would say the danger chalkings are more for skateboard and rollerbladers. Bicyclists can go over those bumps no problem, but they are instant death to smaller wheeled vehicles —StevenDaubert

Hear, hear. I used to ride a longboard around, with my messenger bag loaded with books, notes, sometimes my laptop, etc. Most of the much-loved bike paths really suck at being smooth, much less all the sidewalk cracks or those train tracks. None of these are a problem for bicyclists really, but Daubert's "instant death" is right on for skaters. I've hurt myself plenty of times (typically in the early evenings - thanks a lot, light ordinance). -ES

I agree it is more of a danger for skateboards and rollerblades, but this particular crossing has holes that are large enough to cause problems for bicycles as well. —JasonAller

2009-04-27 11:51:05 your here to gnome and chew gum?! —StevenDaubert

2009-05-05 09:04:49 How does this site work in relation to you and other who seem to be like you? Are there admins for wiki or do you just like to keep it clean? —RealComputers

Each editor has their own reasons for participating and for having chosen their level of participation. My own answer would involve several quarts of Gary's Buckskin Gulch Chili; but that wouldn't make sense to anybody who hadn't been blessed by having eaten it. There are some admins, but for the most part they really hang back and only step in when absolutely needed. I happen to believe in the potential of the wiki so I work toward that potential.

2009-05-12 21:01:50 thanks, your comment has helped me figure out how to improve another site. thanks. —AMSauceda

2009-05-12 21:16:34 are images added into a wiki are automatically turned into thumb nails when they exceed a certain size? —AMSauceda

No, but other editors may add thumbnail, noborder, right or other modifiers to the image in order to try and improve the page. —JasonAller

2009-05-13 20:54:11 Thanks for the advice— I'll revert and rename. —JamesHargis

2009-05-13 21:10:45 Meh... why entertain such nonsense? He came here with a pointless mission to impose the "correct" terminology on a world that widely uses a different convention. —WilliamLewis

2009-05-13 21:35:20 Sorry for the revert wars on the "marijuana" page. My basis for changing the page is that the scientific name for "marijuana" is "cannabis." While it is also known as "marijuana," shouldn't it be redirected to the page with the proper, scientific name?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana_(etymology) —JamesHargis

2009-05-16 14:40:54 Thanks. :P —JamesWaterhouse

2009-05-22 06:33:22 Hey, isn't there a community review page for restaurants somewhere? One with a bunch of restaurants listed and different people's "star rating" and summary under each? It might be a good idea to point NickKory there. —JabberWokky

2009-05-25 09:37:51 Any idea how to fix this? http://dcwiki.org/Recent_Changes —TheAmazingLarry

Jason won't be able to help with that, nor I. Try checking out with the Sycamore folks. That's a database error, and it's not a Wiki Spot wiki. By the way, if that's your wiki, let me know... I have something for you. —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards

It's not my wiki, but one that I was hoping to contribute to. I wonder why the admin would have created it outside of the wikispot neighborhood...

2009-05-25 17:02:22 Jason. I made a new account because I wish to remain anonymous. It has nothing to do with "standing by my words." I have no desire to make a "sockpuppet" account. I want privacy. Is that hard to understand? I'm sorry I don't understand the ins and outs of DavisWiki as much as you. Google my real name if you wish. I'm a reasonably accomplished academic. I honestly don't give a damn if somebody finds out I am unhappy with the management decisions at Taco Bell...but honestly, why should I be obligated to use an account name that contains my real name? When you make complaints in a "comment box" at a physical store/restaurant, are these comments not anonymous? —cowman

It just strikes some people as weird when you introduce yourself to a community of neighbors under an obviously fake name. It's okay... you should be used to it if you do it regularly. I know I usually have to explain "it's a nickname from theater" when my wife calls me "Wokky" in public. This is a small town, and people are apt to think you're just using this name on the wiki and shunning becoming part of the community here. The Davis community has people with odder names than "Cowman", I suppose, however. Rob Roy comes to mind. :) Regardless of what you choose to call yourself, you're welcome here, Mr. Man. There's no obligation, just simple neighborly community. —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards
It's just that I was accused of sockpuppetting even though its quite clear on the Taco Bell comment page that it's the same person making the comments. It's not like I'm pretending to be multiple people making independent comments. Actually, if you look at my original account (ChekOunkomol), you'll see that I've had that account since 2005. At some point I deleted all personal information from that page simply because I wanted more privacy - I simply wouldn't like that kind of information to show up on Google. That was my motivation for making a new account (cowman). I didn't realize that there was such an insistence on using your real name on this wiki. —cowman

No insistence. It's not a big deal... technically, you are sockpuppeting by having two accounts. I think you've blown this up into a bit of a bigger deal than it is. People do sometimes sockpuppet for nefarious reasons, and you were accidentally doing it with no ill will. Jason's not an admin, he's just a fellow editor who noticed some hinky activity and pointed it out as a statement of fact. You responded. No big deal... and certainly no reason to get all worked up about. —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards

2009-05-25 21:29:26 I've been thinking about the Anonymous page for a couple days now; you beat me to the punch. :) —ElleWeber

2009-05-27 00:23:41 good point make it so —StevenDaubert

2009-06-08 10:24:45 yes . . . though I'm not so good with the naming schemes.

2009-06-32 26:71:02 You sure like attributed comments. :)

2009-06-11 16:03:57 Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. —JabberWokky

and some days you step through the Rashōmon Gate and you still don't know. —JasonAller

2009-06-17 08:08:26 I like this, a lot: "this isn't one of the shadowy corners of the internet, but an extension of the town." —TheAmazingLarry

2009-06-19 13:11:55 Excellent photo op for a bunch of different entries, from that one to explosions, fire department, various emergency, disaster and fire related ones. —JabberWokky

2009-06-28 12:13:43 ...aaaaaand he's off! —JabberWokky

He appreciates those who did good work while he was gone. —JasonAller

2009-06-28 13:05:34 Your wikivigil was missed. It was rather comforting opening up recent changes today and seeing your name pop up. The man is on the wall. —robinlaughlin

2009-06-29 08:57:11 Thanks! :) I forgot you were going on vacation and was wondering where you were. It's good to see your name in the recent changes again. —ElleWeber

2009-06-29 17:28:14 Thanks for the links you added to my profile. —Conrad

2009-06-30 11:25:29 Yes, I will. He is gone until Thursday though. He already has a username, but it's not his real name and he has no page for it. —TimMatthiessen

2009-07-03 17:09:34 I removed a duplicate comment as you can clearly see. What, is that not allowed or something? —JustinAi

2009-07-03 17:34:32 No worries. —JustinAi

2009-07-03 19:07:56 Will do, thanks for the tip. —JustinAi

2009-07-03 21:53:20 I appreciate your comments and sincerity in wanting me to feel welcome, but from that first reaction I can say that I do not. However, I understand that people have used the Wiki in ways that are questionable and undesirable. If you need a suggestion as to how to approach a person who seems suspicious, I suggest asking the validity and goals of said Wiki to understand if it is in fact a real business that is simply being made aware to the community or something else. Posting to that page is a way to do it, as is writing an email. Assuming that I have similar motives as another individual because of IP address issues, while cause for a certain level of alarm, is not cause for throwing around accusations. Again, I suggest simply asking me the situation.

-Sam

P.S. To clear up the IP address situation. My friend was with me in the same room as I was creating this Wiki. I used her input to help me create the page and she posted an honest review. The comments posted on that Wiki yesterday affected me as well as her. But, hopefully clearing this up can help to put it behind all of us. —PKS

2009-07-04 15:20:44 Jason, Thanks for your concern. I don't believe my comment was quite as harsh as claiming that a man responsible for systematically killing several (and I use that loosely) million people was "good." I realize my comments may be quite shocking for the relatively censored town of Davis, but I'm very willing to take responsibility for them. —Enosh

2009-07-10 20:37:58 no, we're not all the same person. nice effort though, playing wiki police. —LMarie

That is an interesting response to being welcomed to the wiki. I tend to think of it more like playing wiki welcome wagon. —JasonAller

2009-07-10 21:05:10 perhaps my response would have been different had my first encounter not been one of a passive aggressive nature. i suggest you help in creating an environment that is both constructive and conducive to the goal of the wiki: sharing experiences both negative and positive. more than one person can have a good experience at one location without it being a breach of wiki-conduct... ip addresses are not always as they appear. kthx. —LMarie

Ok, how do we (you and I and everyone else who is participating) create a better environment around here? I'd love to get your constructive suggestions on that topic. —JasonAller

2009-07-13 07:31:37 I was on a flight late last night, coming back from a funeral in Florida. —JabberWokky

2009-07-13 07:35:02 http://www.cda-adc.ca/en/cda/about_cda/code_of_ethics/index.asp#5 <- the Canadian dental board has a specific ethics point regarding advertising. Article three under "Responsibilities to the Profession". —JabberWokky

2009-07-16 13:24:38 Its a lot less common with desktops but I'd say just onder one fourth of the repairs I do on laptops are related to over heating. —RealComputers

2009-07-16 14:16:56 Heh. If I ever swing the big stick before walking softly until my shoes are worn out, please call me on it. (Unless it's an utterly rabid dog, who do periodically pop up). —JabberWokky

2009-07-16 16:45:19 I think you do as awesome of a job now as you did years ago. Cheers, man. —EdWins

2009-07-16 19:56:45 I usually use speedfan for my cpu, hdd, and gpu temp checker. —MasonMurray

2009-07-17 20:22:16 Voilà! Thanks for the editing! —SophiaWenshek

2009-07-22 14:42:53 Thank you for the kind words. You can't please all the people all the time, however hard you try. —BrettHall

2009-07-28 14:04:32 Good point. I don't like the idea of people leaving comments and then deleting their signatures but also am not comfortable deleting the comment entirely. However, it wasn't appropriate to leave it the way that it was (attributed to someone else completely) and I didn't want her first experience editing to be completely negative. What would you suggest? —ElleWeber

2009-07-29 00:19:58 The page I am creating is for a fun, not for chaos. Dont delete it. —RealComputers

There has already been enough discord on Recent Changes today, creating any of the classic flame pages here would be wrong. First it isn't what the wiki is designed to be and second it shows really poor taste. —JasonAller

2009-07-29 00:30:33 I'm just creating a friendly page. Get over yourself and leave me alone. You are the number one person who hastles me on wiki. I cant do hardly anything here without you trying to delete it or something. Its a new freaking page, it leave it be. —RealComputers

I'm hardly number 1. Today I watched the Recent Changes page unfold as you and a handful of other people argued. Way I see it you are bringing a lot of this on yourself. —JasonAller

2009-07-29 00:39:02 seriously man, I will not accept any opinion of yours because you have given me too much opposition in the past. Let someone else decide, if they want to delete the page I will let it be but not comming from you. —RealComputers

Aside from that massive persecution complex you've got and your setting of dicta without understanding the history of debate pages on this wiki and why the issue has already been dealt with... learning to not take edit decisions personally would be a really good skill to pick up if you are going to hang around here, and I hope that you do hang around. —JasonAller

2009-07-29 01:22:56 I'll live. Quite frankly, though, after 15 years of seeing this "debate" on usenet, BBSs, chat rooms, and bulletin boards, I'm sick of it. I thought the rest of the world was, too. —WilliamLewis

No one forces you to take part in the discussion. You act like you cant avoid it.

2009-07-29 02:17:22 Delete the page in the morning ... I will simply revert it .. we can have another revert war .. ur such a wiki bully. —RealComputers

Take the high road, name calling is beneath you. The page gets deleted for all the reasons that I gave you up front. I've also offered an alternative suggestion about your ability to host discussion pages under your userpage's namespace. —JasonAller

2009-07-29 02:18:22 1, 2, 3, 4, I declare a revert war... or not. I should have gone to bed. Have fun with the silliness. —WilliamLewis

2009-07-29 02:19:49 How dare you delete a page that has nothing to do with Davis!?!? I'm so offended, I'm going to write my congressman. We'll see where this takes us just as soon as I receive a return correspondence from him! —JoePomidor

2009-07-29 13:02:59 You're being too kind, you could use lmgtfy! ie, passed on this link: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+a+cylon It's a common one on forums. —EdWins

2009-07-29 15:25:18 Same to you. —RealComputers

This was in response to "2009-07-29 15:20:28 You get to pick which wikis you participate in, you don't get to pick your fellow editors, but you owe them a measure of respect and some decorum when interacting with them. —JasonAller" after he had been dictating which editors he would interact with and who he would listed to. —JasonAller

2009-07-29 15:56:03 do you know if it is possible to uplaod something like a power point presentation to wiki and make it accesable to otheRs? —RealComputers

Yes, it is possible. It might be a better idea to convert it to a Google Doc presentation and then link to it. —JasonAller

I have a power point that explains a lot about computers. I would like to makes it accesable. If its not to much trouble, can you tell me how to do that?

nvm, figured it out. That was pretty easy.

2009-08-02 12:51:36 I know that Iberian Global Language is an effort of a local. However, the entry's only clue that this is local is a Davis address. The entry needs to be related to the rest of Davis and the promotional language that belongs on a website needs to be removed. —WilliamLewis

It is also Russell's first edit. A Welcome to the Wiki with some additional guidance might go further than the two includes would. You've been doing a great job on guarding Wiki Spot from spam, and I know it is hard to switch approaches when looking at Recent Changes here. I have to take a moment myself sometimes. —JasonAller

2009-08-02 19:16:22 yup, The Imaginary Zebra is a business, how do we transfer the info to the business template? Thanks —MichelleH

2009-08-04 18:14:50 Not that you need or even want my approval, but I very much like your new Welcome to the Wiki approach. —CovertProfessor

Thanks. The Welcome Wagon isn't an exclusive thing, feel free to join in on the fun. —JasonAller

Not sure that an anonymous professor makes for the best welcome. But I'll try to throw one in from time to time, or contribute in other ways. —CovertProfessor

I concur. -ES

2009-08-05 18:21:40 Welcome to the wiki! —JabberWokky

Thanks, I was worried that no one would reach out and make me feel welcome here, but now I don't have to worry about that any longer. ;) —JasonAller

2009-08-06 14:27:47 Oh i didnt realize that made a new page, thanks —RealComputers

2009-08-07 22:18:59 Thank you for the welcome and for adding the links! (Since I am too inexperienced with wiki formatting, besides being lazy...) —AmyChow

2009-08-10 23:30:59 Thanks so much for at least sticking a link on it . . . yeah. That's the least anyone could do, and that's what matters most. —ZN

2009-08-11 21:29:21 Yar! :-) Yep, it does sound like pirate talk! It was on the realtor's website and I'm guessing it stands for Yolo Area Realtors but I don't know for sure... —RichLindvall

2009-08-12 10:50:15 Thanks for moving the page to Woodland Wiki - I wasn't aware there was one! —HeritageManager

2009-08-13 10:05:09 How are you connected to the CA Constitution class? It sounds like a neat idea. —JabberWokky

I'm providing wiki support for the class. I'll post more about it on that wiki later. —JasonAller

2009-08-15 12:45:40 Thank you for the Davis Wiki - can you shoot me an email please. Thx —HNR

2009-08-20 09:32:25 Jason, the wiki has been over this topic, and more than once; here, for example. You and I obviously disagree. —CovertProfessor

2009-08-23 14:57:19 Yeah, I imagine that other people will have spelling problems too with that name so a redirect seemed like a good idea. —jsogul

2009-08-23 17:03:14 Thanks. I'm actually still kind of shocked at my own reaction to the situation because it would seem like a small problem. I'm a civilian, not active duty, and I think what has upset me so is the idea of someone who is active in the service being treated this way. —OliviaY

2009-08-26 18:59:36 You wrote on my message page: 2009-08-25 19:17:56 "The Questions page might have pointed you to an alternative place to ask you question about the house." Thanks, I did look for a questions area, but didn't have luck. It's not available from the front page, but when I clicked on your link, a "questions" tab appeared up top. I certainly appreciate it! AirporterDriverPete —AirporterDriverPete

2009-08-28 12:09:29 thanks for the heads up.. ill try to put more detail into it. just felt it was necessary to be written. —alcatraz

2009-08-31 00:23:10 I see, from the description it was kind of hard to tell. Should I revert it? —JoePomidor

2009-09-01 17:28:49 Hi Jason. Thanks for all your work. I'm trying to understand why the Alateen page is treated differently than our Al-Anon page and our ACOA page. Does the format HAVE to be the way you changed it on the Alateen? WIth multiple meetings this would be hard and we hope to have more than one Alateen meeting soon. If this sounds familiar to you, I asked about this earlier and you probably replied, but I've been sick. Now I can't see my question on your page. I'm sorry if you are having to repeat yourself. Can I make Alateen match the other two, with the header and the top or is this taboo somehow? Thanks! Maggie S —DavisAFG

I edited the page to adjust the format. At the time there was only one meeting listed so I chose that format, but you can adjust it if additional meetings are needed. —JasonAller

2009-09-02 04:08:19 Hunh? Spammers are now policing themselves? —JabberWokky

2009-09-02 13:23:08 Hey there, I hadn't seen the food poisoning page but I do agree with everything that is said on it. Generally, it has hard to trace back a case of food poisoning to a specific place/time unless multiple cases are reported. I once read a paper about people getting sick at a bunch of weddings and they traced it back to raspberries in the wedding cakes from a particular bakery. However, in this case, seeing people going from totally normal, to vomiting, to normal in a matter of minutes really speaks to something in the food being seriously off. Which is why we reported it to the health department, rather then just not going back to this particular restaurant. They called this morning by the way to follow up, so I am pretty impressed that they processed the online form so quickly. —Zeeba

2009-09-03 10:48:23 "$1 Beers at Sudwerk 9:00PM to midnight Sudwerk $3 cover, then all the dollar cups o' the best beer in Davis that you can drink."

"Dance Party with DJ Larry Rodriguez 10:00PM G Street Pub Spinning funk, soul, reggae, latin grooves, afrobeat, and bhangra at the G Street Pub. No cover! 10PM start, 21+, $1 Pabst. Brought to you by KDVS"

"College Night at Bistro 33 Bistro 33 Featuring $3 well drinks and $5 Long Islands, Adios MoFo's and Jager and great top 40 R&B music in the most upscale atmosphere in town. NO cover charge ever! "

You removed my post about KetMoRee in the reccuring events saying it belonged in happy hour section, but I don't see how these are any more appropraite. I feel that my posting was the same in content to these postings. It is unclear as to why my posting was deleted as the content seemed to directly relate to the content previously posted by similar venues on the same thread. Perhaps you could clear up this ambiguity. Thank you for your time. —Jcurri31

2009-09-03 15:04:11 There are more than just the ones i mentioned and i think that is become a critical part of the page. Weather it was the original intention or not I believe the page has headed in this direction. I would really appreciate it if I was allowed to re add my posts so i can share these events with my fellow community members and daviswiki fans. Thank you

—Jcurri31

2009-09-03 18:37:54 Defiantly will will work on the links thank you very much. —Jcurri31

2009-09-14 23:59:13 Hi, I'm trying to reactivate my old account ChristopherPKW and you seemed like someone who would know how to do that? —ChristopherPKW

2009-09-16 20:42:58 That pretty much is what she believes. She believes that any sort of advertising of a business that is somewhat officiated (the fact that there are store logos and such being used) should be approved by her and since this was not that it should be taken down. She had another friend attempt to take it down only for someone else to bring it back up. —SunjeetBaadkar

2009-09-17 11:44:09 I would actually like to change todd and barbara photography to Todd & Barbara Photography. Do I need to make a new page to do this? Help, please, and thank you! —arica

2009-09-20 15:59:27 Highlights. —JabberWokky

2009-09-22 18:23:28 Thank goodness for OpenStreetMap. City of Davis bike path vector data was absolutely no good. At some point in the near future I plan on marking all points of interests in the Covell Greenbelt, transferring to OSM, and then of course, making a proper map using that fresh OSM data. I don't directly use OSM to make maps since I don't agree with how the project presents some data. It's totally an art and there's no one way of doing anything :-) (get two cartographers in the same room and I'm sure they'll clash and it'd be great fun!) —RyanMikulovsky

2009-09-22 19:04:01 Hmm...when I try it, I get a seriously long and munged page with non-running javascript code. —IDoNotExist

2009-09-22 21:55:34 Yes. I get the error when I enter Davis, CA or 95616 on that page. I'm using Firefox (or rather, what will become Firefox in the mysterious future...) —IDoNotExist

2009-09-22 22:22:56 Odd that it's such an aggressively postured editor name and the review was actually fair and well written. —JabberWokky

2009-09-28 09:20:02 Hey Jason, I was wondering if you could teach me how to change a picture— the Adobe at Evergreen picture of the monument sign is a defaced picture (someone put it up after altering it) and I was wondering if it would be ok to replace it. Please let me know! Thanks!!

-Nicole (Asst. Manager- Adobe Apartments) —AdobeManagement

2009-10-06 21:11:42 Re: Weiss Group cleanup - done —JimStewart

2009-10-10 13:47:44 On the Measure P page should there be a more neutral picture or a picture of a yes sign as well? —EliYani

2009-10-26 12:26:07 jason please give me your email so you can see what I mean by vandalism. I have a random clip of what happened on friday night. — Khanh This is what happens when you out people. Thanks —Khanh

2009-10-27 14:09:23 Thanks for the note. You were absolutely correct and it has been moved. —MaggeSanger

2009-10-27 14:24:47 Jason....this certainly reads as a threat as well, and I honestly see it start off the chain. Especially in relation to the original edit, which was merely an attempt to add more info to the entry in an attempt to integrate info from the comments, which is actually a normal and encouraged behavior. CP's personal dislike of him is what caused him to want that integration removed. Looking at it again, he ended up merely referencing a comment CP had made elsewhere. CP again wanted it removed: this is actually discouraged wiki behavior I believe, isn't it? In an attributed first person post by Brian, he has every right to mention another wiki posting. Removed from his attributed first person post. Is Brian not allowed to even mention it? What if he threw in the info link as a reference? He ends up compromising rather than arguing, and that brings us back to the first threat.

All in all, come on, it was pretty legitimate editing. Even if he 'counter-threated', in light of what he probably feels is people still picking on him, it's not exactly crazy. Perhaps CP should also apologize for his unwillingness to edit in a positive manner on that issue. Overall, the newbie bashing phase should be over by now, and I think it's more than past the time for most other users to leave the guy alone and let him try (as I think he has been) to be a better 'community member'. —EdWins

2009-10-27 14:56:58 The problem here is that RealComputers initially used Covert's words as as apparent endorsement of his position, and did so without Covert's permission. The quote was copied from another posting that Covert had made, but in the new context, implied an endorsement that Covert clearly does not want to make. The lack of context of the original source is the problem here. I'd consider that an illegitimate use of Covert's words.

The new text references something that Covert said previously (it happens to be the same quote), and uses that to support RealComputers' position. That seems like fair use to me. In this case, RealComputers is not saying that Covert supports his position, only that Covert previously stated an opinion about something that is self contained in the reference.

I strongly disagree with the use of threatening language against Wiki members. —IDoNotExist

Well said, and good distinction I failed to notice. -ES

2009-10-27 15:46:00 I only asked him to leave me alone. it was not a threat. —RealComputers

2009-10-27 16:16:03 Thanks bud. —EdWins

2009-10-27 16:45:23 Thank you for the pointer to creating a wiki spot. —Bai

2009-10-27 16:45:46 Davis, thank you for the pointer to creating a wiki spot. —Bai

2009-10-27 20:27:15 Hmm...good point. It would be nice if there were a way to address that, so to speak... —IDoNotExist

2009-10-28 12:35:09 aww! I see. Thank you. —StevenLee

2009-10-28 14:17:02 If you think it should be listed then fine, list it. I think since they do not operate in Davis, they shouldnt be listed. I went through and removed some listing only if they told me directly that they do not do computer repair, if their number is out of service or if they do not operate in Davis. —RealComputers

2009-10-28 18:42:24 Given the time I would have began editing as many pages as I could too. Remember when Davis Wiki was a community wiki and not used for hidden agendas and other questionable purposes? Sigh. —RyanMikulovsky

2009-10-29 22:05:10 Thanks. I took your advice and checked out "wanted pages." Guess which page was listed first? Yep. —robinlaughlin

2009-10-30 19:54:31 I know he was. But some seemed to want it to stay. I'm willing to fix the grammar mistakes that I saw, but not willing to take his side in the revert war — it would be rewarding bad behavior, in my view. —CovertProfessor

2009-11-01 14:28:05 what list? —StevenDaubert

2009-11-03 11:35:07 I do seem to be a little confused, i would like the information about my business to appear when people search for massage....the name of my business is Kay Bodyworks. How can i make that happen? —JeffreyKay

2009-11-04 14:41:34 the name of my business is Kay Bodyworks, and i would prefer if that name appeared on my business page. Also i decided to offer $40 as an introductory rate instead of $50, but i can't seem to find out how to change the rate to $40 on my personal site. How can i do that? —JeffreyKay

2009-11-04 14:43:14 and how to change the name on the business page to Kay Bodyworks —JeffreyKay

2009-11-04 22:07:00 Did you have a long lens on your camera for those derailment pictures? When I went to check it out, the place was taped off and there was a guard from the California Northern Railroad watching the place. —WilliamLewis

Only the picture of the engine was taken using the zoom, the rest were just taken pretty normally. There was tape up that said "Fire Line do not cross" and I stayed behind it. —JasonAller

2009-11-05 19:44:05 Quite impressive street work! Took pictures today of Aggie Villa and related streets. 35 mm film. Should be up by 11/15/11. —robinlaughlin

2009-11-05 23:29:36 Isn't Ken's Bike and Ski just a flat store with a wide walkway? —hankim

My edit comment was about how the page was laid out, not the business. —JasonAller

2009-11-06 05:27:16 Well, I may be somewhat discouraged from outreach and editing due to recent feedback, but a spammer provides a big juicy target to hammer with all barrels broadside. Visceral joy via action. —JabberWokky

2009-11-06 23:35:40 All pages that have a hard K sound...hmmm —IDoNotExist

Are you going to watch me edit, or are you going to fix Media references? —JasonAller

2009-11-08 13:22:44 Hi Jason, I'm responding to a comment you left crpike.

Founding date? I guess my subscribe to a minimalist aesthetic. If information isn't useful, don't waste the readers time with it. I don't see how a founding date is of interest to anyone.

As far as removing comments: those comments were all positive, but they concerned classes that no longer take place at my studio. I think they actually would create confusion. So I'd like to start from scratch.

Hope that is OK. —crpike

2009-11-08 15:38:10 This wiki is brought to you by the measure P and the prop 13. —IDoNotExist

Or rather, people like Jason and CP who add information about them to the wiki! -jw

2009-11-09 14:11:30 I'm a reporter from the Enterprise writing an article about daviswiki being named the "world's best local wiki." Would like to interview users. I'm writing this for tomorrow's paper, so please call me as soon as you can at 747-8052. —jon.edwards

I called him at 4:45, about 2 hours and thirty four minutes after he posted this, but he said that he was facing his deadline and didn't want to ask any questions. —JasonAller

2009-11-09 18:47:20 I know that the founding date and such need to be restored on the Mojo page. I was hoping maybe the owner would do it after we explained why what was removed should remain, but it doesn't look like it has happened yet. Also, the Adobe apartments page had some useful stuff deleted in AssistantManager's attempt to turn the page into a glossy flier. —WilliamLewis

2009-11-10 08:20:47 pretty sure he wanted the progressively smaller type —StevenDaubert

2009-11-10 09:47:23 ...adding this comment just to drop my edit to comment ratio (the spammers help lower my revert ratio)... ;) —JabberWokky

2009-11-10 10:15:27 Yes, there are problems with integrating comments. However, I think if somebody is adding useful information there is no reason to complain. I would much rather have more less-organized information than less information well-organized. —NickSchmalenberger

2009-11-10 11:25:15 I'm a student at Heartland Community College in Normal, IL and i'm writing a paper about whether or not a local wiki would be benficial for my community. I can see that you are highly involved with the DavisWiki and I was wondering if you would consider answering some questions for me? My email is amaurer4 at my.heartland.edu —amaurer4

2009-11-11 10:49:41 Thanks, Jason, for all you do here as well on other wikis. I appreciate it! Awhile back you created an icon for my "Christian Music Central" wiki http://christianmusiccentral.wikispot.org/. Thanks! I just asked Jabberwocky for any advice/help on making that wiki more useful. My goal is for it to be a place for people to link to their favorite Christian artists/music. If you'd have any ideas/suggestions for making it more user friendly I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks! —RichLindvall

2009-11-14 13:51:15 I wonder if street pages could include a macro that embeds the street in google maps... —IDoNotExist

You mean the one that already does if you click the Map icon? -jw

2009-11-14 16:21:20 Perhaps like the map button I just spotted on there. :-) Except it would automagically display inline instead of requiring a button press. —IDoNotExist

An option for something like [[Address(123 Main, opened)]], where "opened" means that the map is open by default, might make sense for some entries. (Trying to think of an easy easy way to enhance... by the way, Brent is the person to talk to about this, as he was writing a new map system, IIRC). -jw

2009-11-15 11:16:38 whoops. Looks like we had the same idea at the same time. —RyanMikulovsky

2009-11-16 22:29:55 I would suggest specifically stating that you don't want stuff deleted. And the welcome page is not what's unwelcoming. It's other people jumping at you about your first few edits when there aren't clear editing rules (i.e. Don't delete anything). —Nana

2009-11-17 12:46:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=081dHOYY6IE —JabberWokky

2009-11-19 21:10:22 Yes, but why bother having links to something that isn't real information? If people want information on calculus, they don't need to go to Davis Wiki, and if they want information pertaining to specific Davis Calculus classes, that information is on the UCD mathematics department page, or a page can be created about other schools (e.g. "Davis High School Classes"). A "Calculus Classes Around Davis" page might be interesting, but that's a different issue- not "Calculus", which is a broad definition.

I guess I could have just deleted everything on the page, and left... a definition of calculus... but really, why bother? I mean, I could make a page called "Coffee" with "Coffee is gross. Don't drink it." and then have links to it from coffee shops around Davis. Does the DavisWiki really need to have a bunch of pages of nouns that aren't specific to Davis? I thought the point of Davis Wiki was to help people find information pertaining to Davis, so I don't see how this is really necessary. —JesBisagno

2009-11-20 11:37:34 I'm curious why you gave the username message to sarahpurcell? —NickSchmalenberger

I used my identity welcome. It does have a link to username, but isn't directed at that. —JasonAller