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Jon Li has been involved in Davis life since 1966 when he came to UC Davis as a freshman with his bicycle.
He is interested in Progress in Davis.
In the autumn of 2009 he is coordinating a class on [californiaconstitution]building a new California Constitution through the Experimental College.

Papers listed below followed by (ISSS): annual meeting of the International Society for the Systems Sciences

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2009-09-28 20:58:28   Howdy, Jon. While I like your contributions recently, I'm a bit curious as to how they relate to Davis in particular? —JabberWokky

2009-09-29 20:04:11   I care a lot about local community, but I am also inherently global in my perspective - I was born in Germany (1/3rd one way), my brother was born in Japan (1/3rd the other way) so I am juggling the global/local - current/past/future things all the time. My work is to redefine the balance between the citizen and neighborhood/community/district/region & state/federal/international. I rarely stick to the topic, no matter what it is. The Davis stuff is in there, but there is other stuff too, and the other stuff is always there, no matter what the topic. —JonLi

2009-10-04 10:43:17   Is this cup half full or half empty? Or perhaps the cup is just a symbol of the water that could exist anywhere in the world, or perhaps not at all. —SunjeetBaadkar

2009-10-04 13:36:04   Hey, I've started rewriting your What is General Systems Theory to a more community editable form. It would be much easier in the future if you avoided first person for works you are contributing to the wiki. It allows other editors to participate in the community editing of those entries. It's a neat concept there... are you aware of any classes or faculty at UC Davis that espouse or discuss GST in the context? I think referencing them would decidedly improve the entry. I can find several references in the reading lists and faculty pages of the medical school and bio/eco classes, and if you don't have any particular examples, I'll start from there and work outward. —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards

2009-10-04 22:46:50   GST: Thanks for your comments Evan. I am committed to the wiki mutual editing process, and I am more than happy to collaborate with you on developing something separate. But I was very disappointed with what Amanda did to my history of Davis article when I posted it as part of Davis wiki, and rather than fight with her about it, I am more than happy to let it go off into the natural future with a life of its own, BUT, I am not willing to let go of all my criticisms of Sue Greenwald that she edited out. To not talk about Sue's inappropriate behavior is to ignore everything that has happened since she was elected to the city council in 2000. I needed it posted in its original form, so I put all this stuff on one site.

I feel the same way about the systems piece - it is mostly my distillation of Debora Hammond's book, which includes me in the acknowledgment. It is also a section of my paper, Systems Tools for Institutional Transformation. Within the greater world of general systems theory, I have some role within the International Society for the Systems Sciences, and that is the group that invented the concepts that you and I are working with. As far as creating a useful tool that people can use, more power to you. I claim internationally that Davis is the greatest center of systems thinking and applied use of the language in the world because of all the different kinds of biologists we have here. I also claim that holistic health is my religion, and the purpose of the campus is to indoctrinate people about my religion, which I call bio-logic. I am sure that if you start a good gst section in Davis wiki, lots of different kinds of biologists will find ways to benefit from it and contribute to it, enough that there will have to be almost as many branches as James Greer Miller's book of 17 levels of systems. My friend Darach has many interests along similar lines, and he can be reached at dchmiller@ucdavis.edu. —JonLi

2009-10-05 19:32:37   You might be confused. Why would I delete your content on the wiki? I've had good interactions with you in the past, and I don't want to ruin that. However, the pages you're adding to the wiki have a couple of problems:

  1. A lot of the material isn't related to Davis, the mission of this wiki. It may be tangentially related, but the connection isn't made.

  2. You're making a [wiki]Walled Garden. The pages don't relate to the rest of the wiki, and aren't linked in or out from any appropriate wiki pages. They're often so long, that an ordinary user couldn't see how it fits.

  3. The wiki is not personal webhosting, even if you're using the userspace ("Users/JonLi/ ..."). You can use it to describe yourself, and have a little extra content just for fun, but they're mainly there to help build a sense of community among wiki users.

So, what can you do? Your pages are definitely educational in nature, and could find a home on another Wiki Spot wiki (such as [californiaconstitution]californiaconstitution). Or otherwise, try to summarize, and work your content into appropriate pages (Bicycling, Town History, Sustainability). There, you'll be able to interact with other editors (who normally avoid personal userspace), and maybe help to promote your ideas and information.
Let me know if you have any question or concerns! —BrentLaabs

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