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2009-02-26 20:26:11   Welcome to the Wiki. The two best things to do to avoid being taken for a sockpuppet are to use your real name and to contribute on a variety of topics and pages rather than obsessing over a limited number of topics or pages. —JasonAller


2009-02-26 20:52:29   Sure, but then that precludes anyone who wants to create an account and join a discussion. I was just pointing out that it is impossible to avoid being accused of being a sockpuppet if someone creates a new account and post a comment in an ongoing discussion, real name or not. Thus, the only way to alleviate the majority of suspicion is to create a long history of edits on various pages, using your real name has little to do with it because you can create any name you want. —KellyM


2009-02-26 20:56:39   Joining a discussion alone isn't enough to raise suspicion of puppetry; perhaps joining a discussion where there is ongoing sockpuppetry is. It is however easy to overcome that suspicion. The real name issue comes into play because this is a geographically focused wiki and the likelihood of someone else being able to recognize and 'validate' the name is pretty high. —JasonAller


2009-02-26 21:00:42   I'm not usually a fan of discounting people's comments, and I generally disprove of the RealName promotion, but there's quite a range between "making a big history as an editor" and "jumping in at the same time with the same IP address." Sometimes of course people do that, but if one jumps in without mentioning a connection, it looks like they're trying to play as an outsider, which ends up looking like a shill/sockpuppet/whatever. I guess it's a silly thing to say that "adding 'I'm his roommate'" makes a comment any more valid than one without it, but I think it does in practice. Once people feel like they're being tricked (even if it's unintentional), I think almost nothing said would change their mind from that first reaction. Which is when people start tossing out the sockpuppet accusation. —EdWins


2009-02-26 21:07:49   I only moved here because my girlfriend is going to school here. I personally don't know anyone here, the only person other than my girlfriend that could "validate" my name would be my landlord and I don't think she's a part of the wiki (nor is my girlfriend).

How would you easily overcome suspicion in the case of theviper and his housemate, where they share the same IP? Using their real names wouldn't help much because the people most ready to vouch for them would be their other housemates, also using the same IP. Again, the only way would be for another account with a long history and whose identity is also vouched for by others could vouch for them. There was no strong evidence of ongoing sockpuppetry going on in that discussion, theviper's supposed roommate was the first one to be suspicious due to having the same IP as theviper. —KellyM


2009-02-26 21:21:40   It is possible to 'vouch' for yourself; AlphaDog certainly succeeded in doing that. It isn't like an initial suspicion of puppetry can't be overcome. If PMTG goes on to make good edits that suspicion won't linger at all. The problem is that if people aren't occasionally called on it, or notices aren't put on pages where it is suspected it will be more common on the wiki and reduce the value for everyone. —JasonAller


2009-02-26 23:50:50   I'm definitely in the no real name needed camp, but I also agree that your reputation on the wiki is determined largely by the comments you post and the edits you make. Essentially, as a new user, you need to do something to establish a reputation. The reason making lots of edits improves your reputation is that it is much less likely that you have joined the site just to become a shill for a particular business or topic if you have demonstrated involvement in other things as well. I agree that this is difficult for new users. On the other hand, reputation is important on other sites as well. On ebay, people trust sellers who have many positive reviews (although if you look carefully, some people are using fake reviews that are similar to the sockpuppet postings here.) In business, on your first day at a company, you likely won't be trusted with something critical unless you have a strong enough prior reputation from your prior work. You are also more likely to be trusted by people who know you in the real world if you have demonstrated through your actions that you are trustworthy to those people.

One big problem is that the Wiki doesn't have any form of strong authentication. You could post with a real name (say, BarackObama), but are you really Barack Obama? Probably not. But strong authentication defeats the functionality of the wiki, which by design is at least semi-anonymous, and which can be edited by anyone. I don't think that we can do anything about this without radically altering the nature of the wiki.

Another problem is that unlike a site like Wikipedia, we don't have "experts" on specific topics. Rather, we have a lot of people who through their comments and edits are attempting to achieve something resembling a general consensus on the subject of a page. This consensus doesn't mean total agreement - but the collection of comments point to a general view about the subject of the page. Since there are no "experts", no specific person can be relied on to ensure "truth" in edits on a topic. Therefore, it is important to ensure the validity of the comments that are made by identifying potential fake postings that are designed to shift the consensus towards one person's view. This is why policing for sockpuppets is important. The cost is, of course, that sometimes we get it wrong. —IDoNotExist


2009-02-28 22:27:06   Question for you: Is [WWW]this a sockpuppet? Look at the language, compare it to other entries on the same page. Does the writing feel like a customer, or an employee? Is someone studying the reactions of the wiki, or is this combined with the earlier ones today just a statistical fluke? What do you think? —JasonAller


2009-02-28 23:13:24   My guess is that this was written by an employee or friend of the owner. The IP address matches up with a freshman dorm. They may or may not work for the store (I would guess that at present they do not). I do think that this is a real account, not a sockpuppet, and that the person is using their real name, or that someone else is posting through the account of someone using their real name. The phrasing does NOT sound like a customer, because people don't talk about other people like that - it reads like an advertisement. That's not to say that someone couldn't write a glowing review, but the fact that she seems to have strong insights into the actual thoughts of the owner suggests that she either knows the owner, has worked there at some point, or is related to someone who works there. I would not trust this review, however I would also not flag the poster as a sockpuppet - more likely as someone likely associated with the business. —IDoNotExist


2009-02-28 23:16:59   Of course, it could also be someone you asked to post here as a test to see what the reaction would be, and whether we could figure out someone in a controlled test. :-) —IDoNotExist


2009-02-28 23:21:32   I should also note that it is a strange jewelry stop where "the costumer comes first". :-) —IDoNotExist


2009-05-06 22:18:31   I suggest you try some dim sum places before you listen to your friend especially if you work there too! Most places in Chinatown is decent, but there are some places which are better. If you need some names, then I can look them up for you. Chinese people know how to make dim sum, right? Haha, Happy hunting! —missmochi


2009-11-21 14:28:02   Yes, see William Lewis's comment and my reply, just above the comment that you left. —CovertProfessor


2010-03-19 08:56:51   I've deleted the [WWW]http://daviswiki.org/Quickly_menu page because there's already a Quickly/Menu page with scans of the menu. I was also an orphan page with no incoming or outgoing links. —TomGarberson


2010-03-19 09:27:47   I'll switch the link over to the text version in a minute —TomGarberson


2010-03-19 09:37:14   Got them both on the one page now. Look OK? —TomGarberson


2010-03-19 14:48:41   Quickly does serve udon which is Japanese, but I do believe it has Chinese roots, like almost everything in Korean or Japanese culture. —hankim


2010-03-19 23:02:56   From Hankim's comment, I guess it's basically Chinese. Where this started was a Japanese lady commented to me that the place was Japanese judging by the music videos. —BruceHansen


2011-12-24 13:00:24   saw your response to William was vaguely curious (it's a challenge! just like all the anonymous people) if I could ascertain if you are indeed in Davis, just by glancing at your statistics without even trying to geolocate the IP's (which is frequently inaccurate) OR looking at the content that you posted I'm pretty sure you reside in town —StevenDaubert

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