This is my comment archive

2010-08-25 15:37:02   Hey Peter, have you seen the Davis Timeline (e.g. 1994)? I think it's a similar idea - so that other index may be redundant.

One of the features we want to build in the new wiki software is the ability to deal with time-based things more easily (and less by hand). —PhilipNeustrom

2010-08-25 15:46:57   Your index does look prettier, but it has a downside: it's harder for novice editors to edit. If you look at the meat of what-you-would-update [WWW]here and [WWW]here, the one on Davis Wiki is easier to add to (no crazy table markup). So hopefully in the future this problem will be solved, both with an easier to use editing process and a real structured timeline functionality. —PhilipNeustrom

2010-08-25 20:48:17   we'll help you out. nice to have you here. —Wes-P

2010-09-06 12:48:34   I'm not sure the comments on the spca thrift shop page are so inappropriate. I think they are true at least, and so many of the people who work there are volunteers. I don't think its part of some devious plan to put the other thrift shops out of business, it just reflects a justifiable enthusiasm. Its ok to say KTcooper works there too, but I don't see the comments as being much of a problem. —NickSchmalenberger

2010-09-14 15:05:26   I left them there with a reply so that there's an opportunity for outreach and correction, bringing the person into the wiki editing community rather than becoming antagonistic. I agree that it went over the line, which is why I flagged it in several places for subsequent deletion. By presenting the issues and allowing the person to have the opportunity to correct them it discourages a "me versus them" mentality. and allows for a greater opportunity for more positive editing in the future. This is a closed, real world community, not a site like Wikipedia that pulls in people from all over the world. Each person in Davis is a valuable voice, even if some have a rocky start. I can think of at least one major contributor who came in as the center of a nasty episode.

On a different topic, I do really wish you would not imply that the wiki as an institution is legally responsible for the contributions of individuals. That's a claim that is potentially hazardous. If that person gets sued for libel (not slander) for what they post publicly, it is their issue. It is also very unlikely, as s/he would have to not believe their statement, which would be hard to prove in this case. I certainly think many people are (to use the phrase) douchebags. Implying that the whole wiki is responsible for every statement made is not the best idea. —JabberWokky

2010-09-14 15:24:24   Thanks Peter. Nice to meet you. —Wes-P

2010-09-14 15:24:39   I mean Davis is a closed community, not the wiki. Closed as in "enumerable", not closed as in "not allowing outside influence". —JabberWokky

2010-09-14 15:28:06   Regardless of how things might play out in court, tossing the implication around casually is a bad idea, IMO. I've had people call me up and scream at me that they were suing the wiki on several occasions. A bit of careful tact and communication prevents us having to even deal with things on a legal basis. —JabberWokky

2010-09-14 15:40:07   I prefer to think of it as "cheerleader", where you cheer for both sides until they are happy. And I agree... increasing humanity helps. That's why I post my address and phone number on my profile; or I have, before I moved and hit the solid block of chaos. Zip back a couple revisions for the outdated version. —JabberWokky

2010-09-14 16:02:01   Ha! I should have known you were a member of the cult of fishnets and sequins. Good to see another member of the midnight crew on the wiki. —JabberWokky

2010-09-16 04:56:28   Heh. It's been a sentence here and there over the last six years or so. By the way, it's always driven me nuts that the Bufwiki logo is installed incorrectly. I meant it to be a background logo with a CSS margin of zero and a companion spacer png to be able to overlay holiday graphics. If you'd like, I can help you install it so things line up and aren't cropped (the top and bottom) or have blue margins (the left). —JabberWokky

2010-09-18 04:26:02   I'll need to dig it up. There's a CSS file I did for somebody else that is what you need. If you know CSS, it's simply flushing the edges of the logo to the browser window. Right now there is a margin on the left and the top is being cut off. I'm working this morning, but will try to find it for you. —JabberWokky

2010-09-21 09:13:42   Sure. The next three days are rough for me because I'm trying to get a new revision out the door before some executives (and potential clients) leave for Italy. I'll give you a day window later this week. If there's a color scheme you would like (does Buffalo have iconic colors?), I'd be happy to add that as well, as it's the same set of files. —JabberWokky

2010-09-21 20:56:35   Adorable dogs! —TomGarberson

2010-09-26 09:00:09   Thanks for helping with the APIQ e-mails! I don't think anyone actually thought to do that haha! —AshleyMatson

2010-09-28 19:52:49   I thought he *meant* provably — as it, that which has been proven wrong. —CovertProfessor

2010-10-01 22:53:30   Yeah, the spelling fix is fine. —MasonMurray

2010-10-04 19:43:33   Well, I can't speak to the specific incident when you were criticized for moving a picture, but as you can see most of the pages on the wiki have the "main" picture in the upper right hand corner. There's no rule about it, of course, but it makes good use of white space and immediately shows the reader the subject of the page, so I think it's good practice. —CovertProfessor

2010-10-06 17:54:58   Actually, thinking about it, index pages for different types of clothes/accessories might be pretty handy to have. The key would just be putting them together decently so they actually function as index pages, rather than just advertisements. —TomGarberson

2010-10-06 18:57:23   nice gnoming —StevenDaubert

2010-10-07 07:38:47   Davis is REALLY small when it comes to some consumer goods. For a long long time, you had to leave town to get socks. Jeans might actually be reasonable. There are probably more places that sell Frozen Yogurt than jeans. —JabberWokky

2010-10-07 10:34:15   Jeans, shorts, athletic gear, shoes, swimwear, formalwear, businesswear, ... the list goes on. I think it'd be great to have index pages for a wide variety of clothing categories, in part because there are limited shopping options. For instance, I know there is (was?) a men's store downtown, but I don't know the name. If I want a new suit, a search for suits doesn't turn anything up (unless I want a suite at a hotel). Clothing Stores sort of does what I have in mind, but having it broken down further would be awesome. "Boutiques" is awfully general. Having specifics of what's available would be a big improvement. One way to do that would be to list for each individual store what kind of things they have on that page. Another would be to cross-reference with index pages, so if you're looking for jeans, you can find out exactly which stores have them without having to browse through 30 boutiques individually. —TomGarberson

2010-10-07 13:56:06   Hey Peter, that [WWW]user has a profile page on the wikispot, saying that [WWW]they're new. —EdWins

2010-10-07 19:27:52   I am amused by the need to help someone who claims to be able to help with web advertising. You are kind to do so, though. —CovertProfessor

2010-10-10 20:21:26   Hi Peter my name is Joe and I have a restaurant downtown called Chipotle. Somebody has been using my managers name and employee number to slander the restaurant and steal her identity. Do you have a way to ping back to the address or do you know somebody that can? Thanks Joe Chipotle jherman@chipotle.comjherman

2010-10-14 15:03:54   Peter, in response to your comment on Luci's/Talk about our photos: They are from the official Bumble & Bumble website, as we are an exclusive Bumble & Bumble salon and we are all Bumble & Bumble trained. Since you raised the copyright question, we are contacting their on-line techs and legal advisors to be sure. Thank you very much, feel free to contact us should you have any further questions. —luci

2010-10-18 14:25:07   I really like the listing of number of archived reviews! Good idea... I should hunt around for the stuff I've archived and do the same. —TomGarberson

2010-10-18 16:38:16   Hey, a couple questions regarding the archiving: Are you archiving strictly by date, or are you going through and extracting the information from the reviews, splitting out the reviews from the "adding information via the comment macro" additions? Keep in mind that when the calendar year rule of thumb was created, there was discussion that it should just be a guideline overruled by the need of the entry — if there are only a few reviews, leaving them, no matter how old, makes the entry more helpful than archiving them would. Which of course, is trumped by the universal wiki law: them that does it gets their way if no other folk object. ;) —JabberWokky

2010-10-18 19:39:03   It appears the gentleman we talked to today was not Reneng then. He had identified himself as somebody who posted comments on our page, but I was not able to get his username because he was in with the manager. It sounded like his issues were identical to Reneng's and he expressed his apologies from misdirecting his frustrations. I would appreciate you contacting the office or myself about mistakes like this before taking these matters into your own hands. —Richard (Allegre) —AllegreApartments

2010-10-19 13:15:39   Oh, it's certainly true that it's bad policy for the wiki. I'm being hypocritical due to a morbid sense of curiosity. —TomGarberson

2010-10-19 13:15:50   Frivolous legal threats stifle contributions, and that's why we're so against them. In this case, the frivolous legal threats are made against a licensed attorney who not only isn't put off by them, but is quite amused by them. —WilliamLewis

2010-10-19 13:41:50   All the comments are in the edit history if they're needed. What's the point of restoring them? —WilliamLewis

2010-10-19 13:43:43   To date only four people have been banned in the past six years, and it generally requires fairly heavy community consensus. Locked entries and short term "cool down" bans do occur, but it is generally better to work together to calm the situation down. One method to accomplish that goal may be simply backing off and letting things calm down. The comments are there, in the history, and will be there tomorrow or the next day... or next week. They aren't going anywhere, and they are accessible — and able to be restored — at any time. —JabberWokky

2010-10-20 16:18:33   Nah, they drop edits. They sometimes even go backwards as you edit. They don't count for much anyway... an editor with one edit has as many rights in the wiki as an editor with thousands. Good ideas come from all quarters. —JabberWokky

2010-10-20 16:59:25   Eh? I only edited one. In general, the guidelines derived from the last discussion was that comments should only be archived when there was a reason to do so. Splitting them up by year is a tool to address the situation of a page that doesn't reflect the current topic, not a mechanical mandate. In the case of the 2005, I figured that it didn't make for a good wiki page to just have a single review and a single fact by themselves. Wiki editing is collaborative and in the [wiki]WikiNow. Somebody else can come along and edit them any time. —JabberWokky

2010-10-20 18:10:04   I'm working on a Davis Wiki thing right now, but I can do it either later tonight or tomorrow morning. —JabberWokky

2010-10-20 18:23:30   That'll work. I've been getting to bed late, and I typically wake up at 5am, so I'm trying to get some rest tonight. —JabberWokky

2010-10-22 10:23:48   Right after lunch, so... I'll start in about 20 minutes. —JabberWokky

2010-10-22 10:50:42   Got a very basic fix in. I'm currently cross browser testing, and I may see if I can clarify that subtitle as well. —JabberWokky

2010-10-22 12:01:44   It looks great in everything except IE 6, where's there's a bit of a border issue... but the "cut off" top and incorrect framing is fixed for all browsers. I just uploaded a subtly altered image that I think looks much better. I know there was one other item, but I can't recall what it was. I'm going to ponder for half an hour or so, and if I can remember what it was, I'll do it. —JabberWokky

2010-10-26 15:52:46   Thank you, Peter. I was looking through the Ground Zero page and the first parts kind of don't make sense as some comments seem to be deleted. Also, we have changed management four times since 2006 and no employees from that time are still there. With staff changes and many new policies, I feel the posts from 2006 do not reflect the experince one has at GZ. Nearly all the comments since then are positive, yet they are the last to be seen. What are your thoughts and can anything be done? Thanks again. —GroundZero

2010-10-26 16:13:13   Peter. I don't know who all is running this site, but in a very short amount of time you and hankim have been very helpful. Thank you! —GroundZero

2010-10-26 17:32:25   Please stop removing honest feedback. It's necessary for the integrity of the site. —anonpincher

2010-10-26 18:02:56   Your "attempts to work with me" can now be equated to cyber-bullying. I am not interested in being the best contributor out there. I'm interested in leaving a simple contribution that will add a dimension that would be beneficial for other readers see. —anonpincher

2010-10-27 12:59:53   Please speak to TomGarberson. Thank you. —YogaBhoga

2010-10-27 23:44:43   Regarding your revert of my edit, I helped Rebecca make that page, and what I took out doesn't really fit in with the rest of the entry. In my opinion, I was just trimming some unnecessary lines from the page, but I get that maybe that wasn't the best thing to do. —DylanSchaefer

2010-11-01 13:53:52   Frankly, I find quite a few of the town characters pages to be pretty messed up. Many of either explicitly or implicitly ridicule people with mental and/or physical disabilities. When I've objected in the past, the response has typically been something to the effect of, "there's nothing objectionable when it's true." YMMV. —TomGarberson

2010-11-01 16:34:43   YMMV = your mileage may vary —TomGarberson

2010-11-03 20:09:18   If you disagree with an edit I made, feel free to just undo or alter it. No need to start a discussion on the entry. I'm always perfectly content to have anything I write on the wiki changed. If I feel strongly about it, I'll see the edit and reedit toward a mutually acceptable version. Or I'll miss your change, and that's okay too. —JabberWokky

2010-11-04 20:59:52   Hey Peter, do you really think archiving is necessary for pages like Fluffy Donuts? There really isn't much left there now. I think it's come up before, but I tend to think that archiving is mostly for when the page becomes unmanageably large (which, in my mind, has happened with very few pages), or when there's an event that makes earlier comments irrelevant except as a historical reference (e.g. change of ownership without change of name). Archiving for the sake of archiving is just removing info from the page so that people have to go hunting for it. Oftentimes, those early reviews are the foundation for later ones—people see that 6 commenters already said "X is awesome", so they comment about other stuff. By moving it off the page, there's less information readily available to readers unless they go hunting. —TomGarberson

2010-11-04 23:36:28   I've reverted William Lewis'es actions on your edits on Fluffy Donuts. I'd suggest you respond directly to Tom Garberson or other editors on this topic. If you object to any edit done by any other editor, you can make a Talk Page for it. I hope other editors will be respectful of your edits, as your contributions here are valued. —DonShor

2010-11-05 12:27:32   [WWW]Line 25. Please do not remove text from the body like that. —WilliamLewis

2010-11-05 12:50:29 Yes, it is very exasperating to be treated with such disrespect here. I think it discourages editors from participating. Other editors may disagree with your actions, which is fine so long as we all talk about it. I am more concerned about process here than content. Thanks for all the work you're doing on the Wiki. —DonShor

2010-11-05 15:29:46 Peter, I'd like to invite you to take a moment and reconsider leaving the Davis Wiki. You really aren't being attacked. People disagree with the archiving; that's the full extent of it. William is often abrasive when it comes to reverting; it's something we've all had to deal with at one time or another. But no one is making personal attacks.

That said, Davis Wiki has norms which may be different from those you're used to. The central idea behind the Davis Wiki is that through collaborative editing we reach a better end result than any one editor would manage, both on individual pages and on the wiki as a whole. Just like every other collaborative endeavor in the history of mankind, there are going to be disagreements on how to achieve an end, and sometimes even on what end should be achieved. The only way to resolve differences collaboratively is to talk them over.

In the context of archiving, I've explained—I think fairly politely—what I view as the ends for which archiving is a useful means. It seems like you're upset with that take on things but aren't willing to address it. I would hope that my take on things comes across as suggestions or as constructive criticism. If that's not the case, I should reevaluate the way I'm doing things.

You've explain why you archived the comments, and I thank you for that. I and others have explained, though, why we disagree. This isn't a condemnation of you. It's part of the collaborative editing process. Why not join into that process, rather than walking away? "I stand behind the archiving of those comments because I think the old comments hurt the page in the following ways..." People may or may not agree, but it's going to be far more productive and leave everyone feeling a lot better about the whole process after the fact (incidentally, William, I'll make the same suggestion to you...).

I guess what I'm trying to say is that in coming into a fairly large community like this with established norms, I think it'd serve you well and make editing a more pleasant experience to try and engage within those norms—the collaboration, the retention of information and opinion, and so on. No one expects you to bend over backward to do things the way someone else says to do it; that's not how it works here. But some effort to engage within the existing norms might be pretty valuable. —TomGarberson

2010-11-05 15:36:13 On a totally unrelated note, I realized as soon as I hit "save changes" that my edit notes in archiving the comments on my user page might come across as a dig at you. They weren't! I was just joking about following Han's example of following everyone else's example in cleaning up the user pages. —TomGarberson

2010-11-08 21:03:08   Good to hear! —TomGarberson

2010-11-09 12:35:38   Agreed, this kind of comment wouldn't stand on many pages that have active followers/guardians... so, why should it stand here? Unless we hear from others who think that anon's comments have merit, I think it should be removed. —KemblePope

2010-11-09 13:08:18   I agree. —DonShor

2010-11-19 18:19:30   Ehh... it's not really relevant to anything on the wiki, but I wouldn't call it spam. He's neither vandalizing other pages nor trying to promote himself or a business. Likely just an inside joke among friends. Who knows, the house might actually be appropriate on Davis Houses. And the cats can certainly go on Pets. I'd much rather he bought into the whole Identity thing, but he's not really doing any harm.

At worst, if it is just a waste of packets, it's probably something that's easier to clean up once he's done with it than while it's still in progress. —TomGarberson

2010-11-20 03:21:55   What makes you think Aroach12 is a spammer? Has he made any offsite links? Also, that is pretty much his real name (first initial and last name). I don't see any problem at all with any of his edits, I think they're great. —NickSchmalenberger

2010-12-01 15:02:07   Whoops, thanks. I seem to do that once every couple of months, and always on the Welcome to the Wiki link. —TomGarberson

2010-12-02 13:24:45   I swear you are the most hyper-aggressive person calling for bans that has ever existed on this wiki. :) Let it play out... if there's a need, that course will become clear. —JabberWokky

2010-12-02 13:40:32   Oh, no... it wasn't intended as an insult at all. It's just that you're always the first to propose a ban (probably because bans aren't all that common on the Davis Wiki, but are elsewhere). It's just mildly amusing, kind of like somebody who always wants to order Chinese food when there's a get together. No slight was intended. —JabberWokky

2010-12-07 12:33:58   You should definitely hit up Cindy's for breakfast. Get a cinnamon roll. They're spectacular. —TomGarberson

2010-12-09 01:14:27   Any thought or input for NoLongerExistsList? —BruceHansen

2010-12-09 09:47:48   "bolded question he's ignoring PeterBoulay" Yesterday, I set up a page and kept getting text written into my page from you and jabborwokkey. This was my first attempt to add a page and I have no ideas how to respond to someone writing on top of me...sure seemed rude to me...maybe that's how it's done here, but, a little slack would be nice. I fixed the issue as fast as I could...but still you two kept writing on top of me and reverting my page to older versions after I spent time writing it...that seems completely out of line to me. I wonder where you get the right to mess with my text? Are you the "authorized" keeper of all wiki knowledge? I hope, in the future, you two can keep in mind that not everyone knows the "wiki way" and have a bit more patience with us newbies. Randall —Randall

2010-12-10 19:47:06   Editing collision... kaboom! Sorry about that. —TomGarberson

2010-12-14 10:28:40   Quoting Elizabeth: "I agree that the photos were an important part of my pet sitting as clients love to see their photos on the pet sitting page." Across the Wiki, she generally posts restaurant reviews, food pictures, and people/pet grooming reviews. The revert-and-revision debacle of 2007 left me with the general feeling that any cleanup non-E people might do would be taken as interfering, and though would ultimately make her page look better, better=less accurate impression of her strengths and weaknesses as a business owner. It hurts my eyes and editorial heart, but as a non-owner of pets, the effort doesn't seem worthwile. Since 2007 she has acquired a separate website, which she did not have at the time. —JudithTruman

2010-12-15 15:31:13   What do you mean by "here we go again...check out Lost Pets"? I don't see any recent edits other than by you or William. —JabberWokky

2010-12-17 23:38:03   Haha thanks, he seems to like striking the odd noble pose. —JoePomidor

2010-12-18 15:19:54   I'd start a talk page about it then. It's been pretty heavily edited already to get it to that point, and the current page is what the community edited it to last time. I'm note sure the thank you note is advertising, as there is no mention of a deal or anything other than a public statement of appreciation. —JabberWokky

2010-12-18 16:10:00   Okay, it seems that nobody else has a serious enough issue with the page to push the matter. It looks like there are some people who feel the page was over-pruned already, so it's likely found a balance. Is there a particular reason you're approaching me about it? I have no problem helping out, but I'm not quite sure what your direction here is. —JabberWokky

2010-12-18 18:08:08   Luci was breaking copyright law and also using non-Davis related photos, Elizabeth is contributing her own photos of dogs in the Davis community to the wiki (the past issue with her page was that she had huge images randomly aligned back and forth that made the page take a very long time to load and difficult to read). They are pretty significantly different cases. One was an issue of legality of use and non-local content, the other was a page layout issue (basically, should the page be split into a gallery plus a main page, a la WEF). —JabberWokky

2010-12-23 16:34:05   Just in case you didn't know, there's pretty much zero protection using the Mailto() macro. It formats the link with a nice icon and all, but the "name AT domain DOT tld" aspect doesn't really do much. —JabberWokky

2011-01-06 21:27:39   Well then why don't your leave a comment. She got her $265 back. I felt that it was no loger relivant. Besides since that Khanh removed my comment from his page then why can't I be able to remove one. Also I don't thing that comming from me would be enough as it would be better comming from her. I don't think that she would be agreeable to leave a comment. I've just written her off as a customer.

2011-01-13 19:40:28   I need some help with formating some content on my page that I added. Could you direct me to someone to help me with that. —ToddJames

2011-01-18 22:09:54   Peter,is it?Its not Mr.Nnodim its me Ericka and if you have a problem with me making a comment under the wrong wiki deal with me not Mr.Nnodim...Send me a message on mt yahoo account and I will give you my phone number then you and I can settle this obvious misunderstanding on your part...Thank you!;) —ErickaHarris

2011-01-19 16:25:04   Well the changes that I made someone deleted it. Seems that it violated some policy. I'm only putting stuff up that educates potential clients about my business. I have a flyer that works great for me so I thought that I would put it up. —ToddJames

2011-01-19 16:35:43   Can you check what what was deleted? I had it mostly done, but I had a problem formating it. —ToddJames

2011-01-19 20:55:37   Getting back to deleting comments. You didn't address Khan being able to delete comments that he didn't like on his page. Isn't a double standard that he can delete comments, but when I try to you put them back up! I feel that while he get a pass that people for some reason like to be a little harder on me. —ToddJames

2011-01-20 17:09:30   I'm talking about when I deleted comments and then you reverted that page back with those comments that I deleted. You posted me a message asking me not to delete comments. —ToddJames

2011-01-20 18:48:45   Please explain, I am not sure what needs to be changed on the SPCA page. —dennis.brovald

2011-01-20 18:54:28   I did not write the section about Employment that starts with "While many employees, both present and past, will laud the SPCA..." I did replace it, at one time, with our actual policy regarding hiring/volunteers, but mistakenly worded it in the first person (from the store's perspective). I deleted my edit, and reverted to the malicious, opinionated version, posted by Wes P. in an attempt to have the page be visible. —dennis.brovald

2011-01-20 19:06:42   I'm talking about when I deleted comments and then you reverted that page back with those comments that I deleted. You posted me a message asking me not to delete comments. —ToddJames

2011-01-20 19:08:33   Khan had my comments his page that he didn't like and deleted them. —ToddJames

2011-01-20 19:11:36   You do realize you moved down Wes' community writeup of his view of their hiring practices? You removed the content Dennis was removing and others were defending? The glossy first person promotional content about how wonderful working for the store was Dennis' addition. They can easily coexist, but Dennis' writeup was awfully promotional, plus he removed the community member's perspective. —JabberWokky

2011-01-20 20:22:08   I am on vacation from 1/21-1/23-have fun, all! —Users/PeterBoulay

2011-01-20 21:48:24   Enjoy your vacation, Pete! —TomGarberson

2011-01-21 09:32:47   Sorry your trip was cancelled. Have a good day, and may your wife feel better soon. —JabberWokky

2011-01-25 18:45:30   It's not something I feel strongly about personally, but just so you know, some people really don't like the addition of comment bars to pages that haven't previously had a need for comments. After all, anyone is welcome to edit any part of any page. See Cut that comment bar out. —TomGarberson

2011-01-25 19:11:41   It really looks bad when you revert every other edit a user makes. Especially when you already have conflicts with that user. So yeah, I disagree with lots of your edits, but I'm not going to revert them all. —WilliamLewis

2011-01-25 19:21:37   Personally, I think we need more user-friendly software before eliminating the one really user-friendly part of it from pages. Obviously it's unnecessary for more experienced computer users, but it can be confusing and intimidating for new users—as we see on a pretty regular basis. —TomGarberson

2011-01-25 19:21:51   Please do not be nasty to your fellow editors. Eventually pretty much all of us do it, but it's still not cool. —JabberWokky

2011-01-25 19:32:03   I've attacked low quality edits or additions that made the page worse. I have not attacked editors. There is a difference. —WilliamLewis

2011-01-25 20:01:20   Whoa, thanks for the heads up about IthacaWiki. I lived there in the summer of 2008 interning at The Ithaca Journal and working at a doggy daycare. Also had no idea there was a Syracuse wiki.... which is where I graduated from in May. So when I get a chance I'll poke around both sites. —MeggoWaffle

2011-01-25 20:19:44   It doesn't matter anyway; if somebody became fair game to be nasty to the first time they said something over the line, eventually it would just be a nonstop flame war in here. The simple mathematics don't work out for that kind of outcast system. Being a jerk to a jerk is still being a jerk. —JabberWokky

2011-02-09 15:11:50   Thanks Peter! The picture was HUGE so I added a different one, will you take a look? —KimberlyMorris

2011-02-09 17:30:33   Syracuse Wiki is down because the DNS is no longer configured. Not a wiki spot problem. —WilliamLewis

2011-02-09 20:45:10   *sigh*

Their page? That page belongs to the wiki which you and me are a part of, no one has ownership of a page

I have a personal relationship with Doug Prichard (and Jesus Christ) cause he serves me up some good State farm insurance, and yeah it's an inside joke how can these two dudes not know each other seeing as it's all Good Neighbors. It's friendly competition between agents and the customers who like them, IE Kim for Raul and Me for Doug. Long story short relax and take things with a grain of salt. This is DWiki not TOW, which brings me to my next point: in the future please refrain from "reverting" or editing *anything* that I place on the wiki. you can talk with me like a decent person, instead of assuming malice and upping your revert stats.

moreover, your opinion of my opinion carries no relevance to the validity and or "appropriateness" of MY content that I place on the wiki. Please add to the discussion instead of detracting and or removing content no mater how vapid you may find it...

Thank you for your time —StevenDaubert

2011-02-09 20:45:51   You have edited the edits I made in the time it took me to compose my above statement

wonderfull —StevenDaubert

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I hammered that code out free write style, and I've yet to break the habbit of doing it the linking oldstyle StevenDaubertStevenDaubert

2011-02-09 20:54:01   Local ISP == Ohmsoft???? —StevenDaubert

2011-02-09 20:54:33   Luck is not a factor, backoff editing will always triumph it's just a slow process —StevenDaubert

2011-02-09 20:55:20   Just curious, did you want "PeterBoulay/Archive" to be "Users/PeterBoulay/Archive"? —TomGarberson

2011-02-09 21:02:14   I have a candy cane that is hosted elsewhere that tracks all of my edits and informs me via email and or sms if my edits are adjusted and they aren't on the allowable edits list and or from a trusted editor, I could even set it to "protect" mode and have it auto revert reverts but then it has to register a name and all sorts of fun stuff and I really don't feel like coding in the added functionality / making it avoid the eventual bans that will be thrown at it. —StevenDaubert

2011-02-09 21:34:55   Thanks. It is very Davis. —JabberWokky

2011-02-10 14:36:49   Thank you for your help with the Hacienda Becerra page! I will leave it alone since you are working on it currently. I'll come back tomorrow. :-) —KellyWestover

2011-02-11 07:41:56   Thanks for the heads up Peter. I wasn't trying to be SHADY, I am just new to the workings of this wiki and how to post things. The author's name was right there, I didn't realize that because it was through my open page that it would be attributed to me. I feel a little insulted that you saw deception, which would be shady, but since the mistake was obvious where is the shade? Now that you have removed the poster's comment it is lost. She is not much of a computer person and had asked if she could make a comment right there in the office. Peter, is there a way that you can communicate a possible offense BEFORE taking the liberty of eliminate content from my page? I appreciate a good editor, lord knows I am not one, but this style seems a bit pushy. Thanks for your response, Peter. —bryoncloyd

2011-02-16 11:24:58   That Reneng guy is trolling again... Any help with this would be appreciated. Thanks! —Richard —AllegreApartments

2011-02-16 12:18:09   I do not understand why you keep approaching me about proposing bans. Just go ahead and do it. —JabberWokky

2011-02-16 12:35:11   Bans here are typically proposed in a users/name/talk page or other subpage, and aside from spammers, never happen unilaterally. While JW has admin power, he is and acts as an editor on the wiki, same as everyone else. I suspect people would get behind a ban on this person, but it happens, like pretty much everything else here, via community decision. —TomGarberson

2011-02-16 12:51:37   It's not my decision either. It's up to the community. If you want to propose a ban, it is, like I said, not up to me if you propose a ban. As I wind up actually being the one who implements the ban, I generally try to not be the one to propose it. If it's either a clear cut case (commercial spammers, blatant vandalism), it tends to get done immediately... and occasionally not obviously, as the commercial spammers often get IP banned at the server level rather than the Davis Wiki level (as they are typically multiple-wiki spammers). —JabberWokky

2011-02-16 12:52:04   Right. I don't disagree. I'm just saying that asking JW to ban someone probably isn't going to do much without some conversation on the issue—hence the suggestion to start a /Talk or /Ban page. —TomGarberson

2011-02-16 18:21:39   Please be mindful of the fact that this wiki documents Davis as it is and as it was. You were so quick to delete departed businesses without giving any thought to the context in which they were listed. —WilliamLewis

2011-03-21 13:20:21   Okay. Revert is an option available to anybody, and you can certainly restart that. I don't think that discussion was healthy nor productive and was starting to seriously damage interpersonal relations. I do not think I am alone in that belief.

At this point, a revert war (which is what is happening now) is actually less damaging, and much more to the point, as it involves actually discussing content. —JabberWokky

2011-03-21 13:37:50   Hey Pete. The Village Cab Talk page has been in a downward spiral. I think the deleted page is more of a group Wiki Chill Pill than a scorched earth approach. Multiple editors have already been severely alienated over the issue, and the way it's going, that seems likely to spread. Probably the best thing that could happen right now is for everyone involved to give it a couple of days and, if they still deem it necessary, return to the discussion with a fresh perspective. —TomGarberson

2011-03-21 18:11:11   Your jumping on the rename broke the link to the comment archive. Please fix it. The ampersand character is just fine in page names; William's comment had two parts and it appears that you only glanced at the first part. —JasonAller

2011-03-21 18:23:01   Please see the Wiki Community/Accusations/Talk page. —Wes-P

2011-03-21 18:25:50   Still broken because the base path of the comment archive doesn't match the page name. Slow down and look at the details. —JasonAller

2011-03-21 18:43:27   Still two fixes left. —JasonAller

2011-03-23 10:43:57   Thanks for the help on Four Star! I'm new at this. :) —TravisLindquist

2011-03-29 18:18:53   That would appear to be the community decision, yes. The method is fairly consistent, but the outcome can vary wildly based on who is involved and what their perspective of the situation is. Somebody else may have been banned. —JabberWokky

2011-03-29 18:21:02   The question of the ban has been resolved. There are a lot of issues that still need discussion, given the dramatic change in stance on personal attacks, etc., but the ban page probably isn't the place to do it. —TomGarberson

2011-03-29 18:24:14   Most such discussions never involve polling people. This one did (as that suddenly seems to be the tool in vogue). Reread the deleted page. There was a heavy leaning toward not banning him. —JabberWokky

2011-03-29 18:27:41   You're really saying that nobody has told Josh to knock it off with the language and personal attacks? I banned him because of it, Peter, and there was a proposal to perma-ban him because of his attacks... and a general agreement from several people who didn't support a ban yet (because they didn't see the edits as personal attacks) that they would support one if they thought he was using the wiki as a malicious tool to attack people. What else are you looking for? A hanging? —JabberWokky

2011-03-29 18:34:41   I did ban him, Peter. —JabberWokky

2011-03-29 18:45:39   [WWW]Here. When it was an acute situation. When the community weighed in on a long term ban, well... you saw the results. As a community run wiki, it can be difficult to ban people. It does happen, however... people eventually give up on supporting an individual abusing the wiki in one way or another. While it does takes strong consensus, a dedicated jerk can eventually get there. —JabberWokky

2011-03-29 20:25:41   [WWW]Your edit sort of gives an implied approval to [WWW]Steve's edit. You've made several address or email macro edits to pages that have appeared on Recent Changes, but often it appears that you either missed what the other person did, or approved of it. —JasonAller

2011-03-29 20:53:10   I mentioned that because you edit like you want to be a gnome and I was pointing out something I've noticed in your editing habits that didn't fit that pattern. —JasonAller

2011-03-30 10:10:58   I think Jason's trying to say that if you only edited because someone else bumped a page up the recent changes, but you don't fix their mistake, it's a bad thing.

It's as if I saw someone throw away a bag of fast food, and miss, it's now on the sidewalk. However, I notice there's a recycle bin next to the trash can, so I take over a bottle I just found in the gutter. It's not necessarily my job to clean up someone else's litter, but Jason's saying it's pretty weird if I ignore/walk over the trash to recycle, because the only reason I'm recycling is the guy littering is what drew my initial attention.

If I was really trying to do the right thing, or gnome the wiki, whatever, I'd have done both. Clean it up while recycling. —EdWins

2011-05-09   If you've seen other pages that do that, then you've seen other pages whose address macro is broken. Go through the edits and see for yourself; the Map function did not work the way you had edited it. —cp

2012-04-16 12:35:01 THAT's what that was. I was wondering. —JabberWokky

2012-08-17 19:00:27 Thanks for the advice. —Angel.York

2012-08-28 14:23:34 Thank you very much for answering my question. —TerriLeonard

2012-08-30 15:12:12 Figured. :-) —CovertProfessor

2012-10-05 16:22:17 How are you accomplishing that? As the current macro doesn't really help... a bit, but it's not great. —JabberWokky

2012-10-09 13:35:54 I know you didn't remove it. They have tried to remove it multiple times. The edit was hard to read, but I knew to look for it. —CovertProfessor

2012-10-09 14:06:22 Yeah, it's been removed a bunch of times. I should have caught it myself... it is one of three spots where I keep an eye because they are prone to being deleted by people trying to quietly remove them despite a strong community consensus that the content stay. —JabberWokky

2012-10-15 16:26:21 Mind your own business. If I want to delete comments from MY PAGE, I will. —DavisLurker

2012-04-16 12:35:01   THAT's what that was. I was wondering. —JabberWokky

2012-08-17 19:00:27   Thanks for the advice. —Angel.York

2012-08-28 14:23:34   Thank you very much for answering my question. —TerriLeonard

2012-08-30 15:12:12   Figured. :-) —CovertProfessor

2012-10-05 16:22:17   How are you accomplishing that? As the current macro doesn't really help... a bit, but it's not great. —JabberWokky

2012-10-09 13:35:54   I know you didn't remove it. They have tried to remove it multiple times. The edit was hard to read, but I knew to look for it. —CovertProfessor

2012-10-09 14:06:22   Yeah, it's been removed a bunch of times. I should have caught it myself... it is one of three spots where I keep an eye because they are prone to being deleted by people trying to quietly remove them despite a strong community consensus that the content stay. —JabberWokky

2012-10-15 16:26:21   Mind your own business. If I want to delete comments from MY PAGE, I will. —DavisLurker

2012-10-24 20:33:03   I'm Asperger's. I think I know something about it. —JimStewart

2012-10-24 21:46:40   Thanks Pete —ScottMeehleib

2012-10-24 21:56:02   I went back through all the comments on the Town Characters page and my own page and could not find any objections by you regarding the Electric Trike Guy. As I stated before, if the community wanted the page pulled I'd have done it. Correct me if I'm wrong concerning the position you took. —JimStewart

2012-10-24 22:00:33   Hey Pete, I don't really use twitter much. My e-mail is just my first and last name without a space Have a nice night —ScottMeehleib

2012-10-25 10:56:00   Pete, out of curiosity - do you have any association with Davis? Lived here, been here, ..? Or do you just like the idea of the Wiki so much that you were drawn here? —EdWins

2012-10-29 15:14:17   That one's blatantly promotional. It's right in the name - ad.jpg. —TomGarberson

2012-10-29 22:22:07   OK, Pete, so that was no spam, but it needed to be a little more detached. ☺ Thanks —ConstantiaOomen

2012-11-05 18:11:33   it violates wiki policy so please, it needs to be deleted. —Tom12

2012-11-12 21:25:14   I didn't miss any comments. I left the comment I wanted to leave. —CovertProfessor

2012-11-14 01:54:17   To answer your inquiry, yes they did pull up in 24-7 cabs and yes, it was witnessed by staff, me. Finally, yes, it was still disgusting. —Wes-P

2012-11-14 12:36:30   It's funny - when you posted Tom's proposed notice to the page, Tom IMed me and said he wished you had waited until there was community feedback and consensus so that there could be direct action. It's the same reason I asked for more input from people. With this latest comment, Andrew may be typing in all caps, but the content is relatively civil, stating his case regarding this specific item. Pretty much what everybody was asking him to do. This may well not hold, and I'm not advocating forgetting the past or watching for new threats, but this specific latest edit is him making his case and literally saying "you guys be a judge of good conscience." —JabberWokky

2012-11-14 12:56:40   Yes. I know you posted it. That's what I was saying above. —JabberWokky

2012-11-14 13:14:03   If anybody had felt strongly enough, they could have retracted it. Don't worry about it... I'm only explaining my reasoning. We didn't have enough time invested so that everybody was solid on the same page about how to handle things. Lest you think I'm naive, I do have a feeling there's going to be a ban. I'm only working against it because it's always an option, so I'll still try for the best possible outcome right up to that moment. Plus I think Tom is right: it's unlikely to help in this case. —JabberWokky

2012-11-14 13:22:22   Yeah, just to be clear, I don't think it's the end of the world. My only concern is that an ultimatum coming from one or two users is essentially just a threat. By contrast, if there's consensus that "if user X repeats Y, Z will be the consequence," it's not just a threat from one user but a genuine ultimatum. Bans and similar administrative action don't occur without genuine consensus, and if you have that ahead of time, it adds weight to whatever ultimatum is tossed out there. It means that if the user repeats Y, the result is Z instead of a new, lengthy discussion about whether Z should occur. —TomGarberson

2012-11-14 16:13:24   You're probably right :) I figure'd I'd try, though. For what it's worth, Andrew's start on the wiki was being outright attacked by the other cabbies in town. He's been somewhat difficult to work with... but a part of that is probably the language barrier, and the rough start is likely also a contributing factor. Maybe if he's given the chance to tell things from his side, and doesn't feel like he's being attacked (as he clearly felt with Wes's comment), he'll be a bit more reasonable.

I dunno. Just thought I'd give it a shot.

That said, Don's idea of permanently locking all cab pages sounds awfully nice. —TomGarberson

2012-11-20 19:03:29   Yeah I saw the comment. I wound up not actually fixing it. I figured you'd fix it if you wanted it fixed. A Las Vegas wiki would be a monstrous undertaking. I don't know that I have the time or computer skills for such a thing. I'd love for it to exist and would contribute if it did, but starting it would be a huge job :( Creating a wiki for non-strip regions would probably be more feasible since most people on the strip are tourists and probably less likely to look at wiki than residents of a nearby region. —LoriOrf

2012-11-21 14:32:27   You didn't do anything wrong, no need to apologize. I'm just a little bit irritated by the whole thing. CO's position seems extremely contrary to pretty much all wiki principles to me, but she acts like she's being attacked and everyone else is a barbarian when people disagree with her on any point. I decided to be a little more blunt this afternoon. —TomGarberson

2012-11-21 15:59:34   Read the 'new' main text about chicken wings again please. It is better now, these words like 'delectable' describing the feelings of the I-person here (that would be Tom?) are not necessary and make this Wiki a not so welcome place to be anymore for vegans and vegetarians. —ConstantiaOomen

2012-11-21 18:30:09   @ Pete You really don't understand me. It is the meat eaters being intolerant and not willing to show some decency concerning animals and vegans and vegetarians. Nobody seems to give a damn about how I feel about gross texts like these of Chicken Wings and nobody seems to give a damn about the millions of birds that are slaughtered each and every day, world wide. —ConstantiaOomen

2012-11-21 20:52:45   Yeah. That was... strange. —TomGarberson

2012-11-23 10:06:21   that go to the same dispatcher/company —StevenDaubert

2012-11-23 12:14:28   We already did. They also emailed me earlier today. I'll reply in the next hour or so. —JabberWokky

2012-11-23 13:46:05   smells like SITOA/STA cabs to me (sac cab groups) —StevenDaubert

2012-11-23 18:54:56   this is why the are airport only, they are based out of Sac. —StevenDaubert

2012-11-23 19:04:20   Hey, I'm currently trying to get over a nasty cold that wiped out our Thanksgiving (actually it was Sarah's that wiped out Thanksgiving, and now I have it too), so I'm kinda "meh" about getting into a long conversation today. A good starting point for reading up on things is Davis Taxi/Talk, although there's also a couple deleted talk pages under the BK Taxi type entries. [WWW]For instance. Also check out that user's edit history. —JabberWokky

2012-11-23 19:08:32   Oh, and for local knowledge, some of those places are farther apart than Buffalo and Rochester. Not really the same cab area. —JabberWokky

2013-01-03 19:05:12   Good thing I like puzzles, it was worse than I thought when I started! —Davidlm

2013-01-30 17:19:11   Ehh, I'm reluctant to get to far into what might be construed as legal advice on here. I will say this, though: if the identification of the individual is accurate, I don't see anything in there that screams defamation.

On a purely non-legal front, I will say that given the amount of detail in both comments, I doubt there's a mistake of identity. I doubt she's had a large number of tenants leave a queen sized mattress which had to be hauled away for $65, or a large number of tenants who disputed the arithmetic on the security deposit refund.

Calling out the tenant by name seems to me to be more a question of style than of legality. It may be bad form, but I honestly kinda liked the rest of the response (apart from identifying the person by name). I particularly liked the closing sentence. —TomGarberson

2013-01-30 19:44:53   I agree with Tom's non-legal comments. Other than calling the person out by name, it's a great response. It puts the whole episode in a new light. —CovertProfessor

2013-01-30 19:50:49   Also, given the specific details of the accusation and the response, it is very likely that she has IDed the commenter properly. —gcoville

2013-01-31 16:35:59   I do them in batches when a few pile up so there's time to communicate. Haven't done them in awhile. Did you do any outreach other than plunking an include?

Also a chunk of info was removed in that edit (and the Rocky Horror Picture Show edit). I'm still kind of struggling with getting used to using only one left hand here (especially cut and paste with the mouse), if you could help with those. I'll sweep up the pending org accounts right now.

Much respect for dealing with worse than this long term. —JabberWokky

2013-01-31 16:42:42   Done! —JabberWokky

2013-01-31 20:51:33   It's a white-washy world out there. —CovertProfessor

2013-02-01 18:23:06   I'm wondering how to fix a problem I'm having here. I added my website address to my business wiki page and saved it. Now it shows a bunch of customers comments as Sockpuppets, and when I removed the sockpuppet notations, they came back. They are real and ligite comments left by customers, but it looks sketchy to have sockpuppet icons next to their comments. I know this has to do with Ip addresses, but I'm not sure what to do to correct it.-PC Medic Mobile. —RichGagnon

2013-02-01 20:40:11   Pete, Please take a look at my comments on my page when you have a moment. Thanks. —RichGagnon

2013-02-04 20:15:10   didn't seem relevant. —BriannonSchaeffer

2013-02-05 15:03:15   How do you remove old comments,I would say comments from 2004- 2008 are old specially when a company has a big turn over,and why is the new comments not showing up on top? I would think the new ones would push down the old one's —leticiacampos

2013-02-05 18:45:53   I wasn't suggesting otherwise, just that it's good practice to have multiple eye balls on these things. The last time, both you and I screwed up. —CovertProfessor

2013-02-05 18:56:01   Leticia—comments are not removed over time. They stay on the page. They are listed oldest to newest. —PeteB

2013-02-20 14:11:22   Can't you see that deals911 and foreveryoung are the same person?? —CovertProfessor

2013-02-20 14:13:08   THEY ARE SIGNED WITH THE SAME NAME. —CovertProfessor

2013-02-20 14:22:26   No worries. —CovertProfessor

2013-02-27 14:01:57   Ok — I'll reply on the Talk page, so that others can join in the discussion if they want. —CovertProfessor

2013-02-28 02:22:57   You have nothing to apologize for. Better more people chimed in then less. The only real issue when you showed up was the slight disconnect, but you adapt nicely —StevenDaubert

2013-02-28 20:55:40   Sure. Although maybe you shouldn't have told me that... I might just try to wait you out next time. :-) —CovertProfessor

2013-03-05 23:17:49   Yeah... there are a bunch of people who can delete events. Pretty much anybody who asks and has been around a bit. —JabberWokky

2013-03-07 15:46:49   Yeah, par for the course — hardly anyone reads the instructions. I don't know if we've had more lately or not; we've also had a couple who had their act together from the outset, which is also nice to see. Deleting links is just a particular beef of mine — it shows a complete disregard for the wiki in favor of promoting one's business (for free! on the wiki! which is there to serve me without me giving back! woo hoo!) —CovertProfessor

2013-03-07 20:10:39   Excellent, thanks. :-) —CovertProfessor

2013-03-08 19:54:08   Thanks Pete! I couldn't quite figure out the address link thingy. —BrianPakpour

2013-03-11 11:54:52   Thank You so much for creating the page for our business! Much appreciated! —NutrishopDavis

2013-03-11 15:12:56   I will give it another shot —StevenDaubert

2013-03-13 13:16:42   Maybe under the circumstances, we could use a more personal and friendly approach. —CovertProfessor

2013-03-13 13:31:20   Ok, will do. —CovertProfessor

2013-03-13 14:19:05   I still get mine. I just got one with the message that you left for me. Maybe try clearing your cache and/or restarting your browser. —CovertProfessor

2013-03-13 15:13:27   Whitewashing. I think the text should be put back. —CovertProfessor

2013-03-13 18:42:12   Thanks for making the edits — I got tied up myself. —CovertProfessor

2013-03-14 15:32:38   Thanks! I'm doing fairly well, thanks. Working hard toward getting a photo display ready for April. But it's what I love doing, so I can't complain! —WesHardaker

2013-03-18 15:38:53   Obviously, I do too, which is why I called her out on it. I just think you're unlikely to get her to admit it a second time, especially on her business page. She has, however, admitted it explicitly on the wiki. She is guilty as charged. What more do we need? —CovertProfessor

2013-03-18 16:02:05   In my opinion, that's a bit over-the-top, but start a ban discussion if you want. I won't support it, though. —CovertProfessor

2013-03-19 13:56:12   I agree that it has been a mostly productive discussion. However, if I may offer a possible explanation as to why Jim reacted the way that he did — you were very quick to call for a ban/deletion. In general, bans and deletions seem to be your first reaction, whereas the general trend on the Davis wiki is that such reactions are last resorts, not first resorts. Perhaps this is why you came across as overly emotionally involved, even if you were not. —CovertProfessor

2013-03-19 16:31:59   I don't want to start an on going argument but this is my live hood and I fight for what I'm passionate about. Neither one of the bites was I breaking rules . That statement as t stands akes it sound like I don't give a damn, am a rule breaker and always bring aggressive dogs to park which is not true. —ElizabethBarthel

2013-03-19 20:13:17   "They also teach meditation for free to anyone who wishes to learn." —CovertProfessor

2013-03-19 21:15:21   Honestly, just trying to support the process. As I suggested above, I do think you tend to be a bit trigger happy. —CovertProfessor

2013-03-19 21:39:39   Part of the reason I don't participate on the wiki very often is because I do get defensive and take things to heart. It's just this whole process has been emotionally draining and hard on me because my business is being put down and my personal dog is ridiculed . I tried to answer questions the best I could without sounding upset and take neutral sides but meggo waffle really triggers me because she has been on me over over a yr saying I lied and such when honestly I don't know who she is talking about that approached me and she refuses to give Names which I respect. I don't usually take sides. I am registered with PSI and bonded and insured through business of the Carolina's . I would be happy to include my member ID number and or post a picture of my membership card. I don't like how people are quick to judge and if someone were jeopardizes your business you would do your best to make sure they were all legimitate responses. —ElizabethBarthel

2013-03-19 21:53:44   I will call them tomorrow -thank you for the suggestion —ElizabethBarthel

2013-03-19 22:11:49   Thanks, Pete. Just keeping busy. I've been a bit swamped at work. A staffing change and three (of 8) lawyers all winding up in multi-week trials simultaneously has left a lot of slack to pick up. It's fun work with a boatload of great experience, but it's definitely been cutting into my free time the last couple of weeks. —TomGarberson

2013-03-19 22:32:03   Agreed, you did back off very quickly, which I respect. —CovertProfessor

2013-03-20 13:59:49   Oh, and god forbid we say anything subjective. We wouldn't want to wiki to reflect actual human reactions of the community of Davis. —CovertProfessor

2013-03-20 14:01:08   It's OK, but you're laboring under a misunderstanding of what this wiki is supposed to be. Rewrites like that make the whole thing a bit ponderous and not much fun to read. —CovertProfessor

2013-03-20 15:14:46   There is no "both"... there are as many points of view as there are people involved. I tend to agree with CP, however. You're unnecessarily stating why you edited in the actual text.

It is as if you said:

The red double decker buses run around town.

They are red because many people below have observed them to be red.

Well, no. They are not red because people said they were. They just are red. People agree they are red, but you don't need to state why the editing rational behind the statement. That is needlessly wordy, and is not actually about the subject of the entry, it is about the entry itself. It is a statement describing the wiki, not a statement describing the buses (or eye doctor). —JabberWokky

2013-03-25 22:42:27   How do I delete my business page? —NutrishopDavis

2013-04-02 20:53:28   Pete, you're a pretty cool guy. —BrentLaabs

2013-04-10 18:23:54   It probably shouldn't be there, and I seem to recall we had a discussion about it when it appeared, and made it smaller as a compromise. There is a grey area between what is promotional and what is informational; the coupon might arguably be in that grey area, though it might also arguably be simply promotional. I'm not in the mood to argue over that, though, because it opens up the question of whether, e.g., we can mention happy hour specials, which I think people want to know. On the other hand, the Yelp, etc., reviews open up a brand new can of worms that I would really like to keep closed. —CovertProfessor

2013-04-17 15:30:37   I'm sorry! That makes it very confusing though. Can I remove them once I have photos of the new space? —arica

2013-04-17 15:39:04   We'd prefer we keep them for historical reference. We can help you clearly display them as pics from the old site —PeteB

2013-04-19 22:10:47   Was tied up all day, sorry. Seems to me as though you handled things well, though. —CovertProfessor

2013-04-30 21:37:34   Oh Thanks, I didn't understand. I thought it was a sidekick of Davis Wiki, something like 'Mystery picture' lol —ConstantiaOomen

2013-05-01 16:45:53   Thanks, but I think it's best that new editors understand that this is a collaborative process. I am well aware that other editors may judge things differently than I do, and I think it works best when different people chime in (as happened on the Oakshade Commons Apartments/Talk page). —CovertProfessor

2013-05-02 12:19:05   Hey Peter, I don't believe AutNo is spam. It's relevant to that page, along with the others. Typing in Davis, CA on AutNo brought up some nice options not found on other rental sites. Care to clarify? The page I am referring to was: [WWW]

2013-05-04 22:03:53   You posed a question as "why have 2 account?" The other one is unrecoverable as that I don't have that e-mail address anymore and I don't remember the password. I also deleted the account many months back. —ToddJames007

2013-05-06 15:19:20   Good, thanks. —CovertProfessor

2013-05-09 10:42:27   Nope. but thanks for the offer. Remember, we all agreed to intentionally wait so that the person had time to ask questions, engage in communication with other editors, or close the account themselves. That's why I do them in batches, spaced out and with plenty of time. If you check, you'll see that when I do a batch that had one just added, I skip that one, leaving it for the next batch. That way the person has a period of time to get the messages left to them and communicate with the rest of the community. The delay in closing them is by intent, and based on community discussion regarding the accounts.

Of course, we also agreed to not use the include only or as the first contact, and instead always add a personal note, contacting the person using the account at least twice, and at least 24 hours apart, but not everybody does that. The include was supposed to be the second step (although I notice that in the steps, it has somehow been moved up to the first step, even if the surrounding text is pretty clear that it is intended to be the second step, a minimum of 24 hours after a personal note and if the account continues being used). —JabberWokky

2013-05-14 15:26:30   Almost certainly sockpuppeting with those other accounts, unless he is holding residents by the hand in his office and having them write positive reviews (or other, similar scenario). —CovertProfessor

2013-05-16 21:30:31   I'm not not seeing why the Same IP Address include doesn't fit. Is there something I'm missing? —JabberWokky

2013-05-23 15:31:36   My clients name Janna is used in several comments- stating she is not a good person and "ghetto" she lives with one child 12 years old. Comments are slanderous and we ask that they be removed. I dont think an unprofessional manager would be in her position for 8 years! —ToddContini

2013-06-05 21:15:17   Grr... for some reason I don't get that messages indicator on the Wiki anymore. Haven't for a year or two now. Anyway, see the Talk page—which I made before seeing you'd left me a message. —TomGarberson

2013-06-06 13:53:19   It was only added to the To Do list in the last month. I'll scoop them all soon. Also, I'll note that in the original discussion it was agreed that a simple include would be insufficient outreach: somebody should probably write a personal note to them on their user profile. The include is so officious it is very easy to ignore. —JabberWokky

2013-06-06 22:29:53   I think a personal note on their profile would suffice. Feel free to call them as well, of course. —JabberWokky

2013-06-17 21:22:57   Santa Clara University email address and registered to a Santa Clara address: [WWW]

But according to LinkedIn he used to deliver for The Davis Enterprise so he has a Davis connection. —hankim

2013-06-18 19:51:15   Reasons you don't have a girlfriend one Likes you one likes you waste your life on wikis when you could be doing something productive

2013-06-20 12:30:53   Yeah, I'm sure it's a spammer too. But if you shoot everybody dead who walks in the door for the wrong reason, even if it is pretty clear they are soliciting, then you have a home where everybody is quick to shoot people. Being super fast on the banhammer makes for marginally less spam... and a much less friendly and more paranoid community. People are comfortable that they can argue ideas with each other here in freedom, just like they can on the sidewalk. It seems a pain in the butt, but consider that there's not a ton more spam here than other similar profile sites. The civility typically squares up with real life rather than the hyper-nasty tone that the internet is prone to: our a-holes are typically a-holes in person too. The price paid is a few extra reverts a month. The reward is a friendlier community where the good apples can be comfortable nobody is going to get banned for doing something wrong once. And everybody has a bad day every once in awhile.

I do ban in obvious cases, and honestly, in this case it could certainly have gone the other way (and typically would have). I just happened to do the welcome rather than a flattening on the first pass. Second pass (if they ever even edit again) will almost certainly be a quick boot. Plus I added the domains they added to the wikispot spam-search bot so they will pop up if they add them again to any wiki on the network. —JabberWokky

2013-06-20 15:51:13   The issue was resolved to everyone's satisfaction? Read the page. —CovertProfessor

2013-06-21 11:33:53   Hi Pete,

I do not understand why the comments regarding the Craigslist positing’s must be kept within the Eastlake page. We acknowledge the problem last summer and apologized to you and all for the inconvenience. Again, this was never our intention. Is there any way for us to resolve this?

Arlie Righos
Eastlake Apartments
P 530.758.5253 —ArlieRighos

2013-06-25 13:25:14   as a true believer in the wiki system sometime you need to fight the good fight —StevenDaubert

2013-06-25 13:40:24   No objections — I'm just seeing how this all unfolds. —CovertProfessor

2013-06-26 14:53:57   Tell me your email address and I will write to you. —CovertProfessor

2013-06-26 15:40:11   So did you get a chance to call your buddy at Cannondale to confirm or deny? Just looking for an update. —Aaron.Curtin

2013-07-16 16:38:34   Don't you feel that advertising for someone else's business is a little unethical and there should be exceptions to posting on your competitors wiki page? —martinennor

2013-07-16 17:03:47   It seems to me that if a person has a good experience with a business, that person ( who I now know who it is) should post it on" That" business not someone else's business. Or, are you saying I should do the same on that business's wiki page? —martinennor

2013-07-16 17:21:22   Wow, take a break from the wiki to let things cool down and this is where you guys want to take it. Not sure who you talked to at Biria USA and Lynskey, but according to Michael Biria @ BiriaUSA (201-461-1980) and Don Erwin, Sales Manager or Jack Kopeski, Sales Account Manager @ Lynskey Performance (423.499.5815) I I am still an authorized dealer and considered a "non stocking" dealer respectively. As for Van Dessel, I was the only dealer in the area for a long time and did not think to ever renew my dealership agreement as I always just ordered when I needed one. I'm fine with the removal of Van Dessel, but I urge you to call the names above to confirm my status with Biria and Lynskey. I await your all powerful verdicts. - Aaron (07/16/13) —Aaron.Curtin

2013-07-16 18:11:10   maybe if you knew the owner as well as I do, you too would be suspicious. This isn't the first time something like this has happened. —martinennor

2013-07-16 19:36:09   wtf? —CovertProfessor

2013-07-16 21:13:33   That's good. I wasn't following what went on closely, but from flipping through it, it sort of felt like you were checking up on him because he pissed you off, which seemed a little over the top. If that wasn't the case, I'm glad to hear it. —TomGarberson

2013-07-16 21:31:05   Thanks for clarifying. —TomGarberson

2013-07-24 13:19:05   Thanks for taking care of the Norcal thing. —TomGarberson

2013-08-01 13:58:54   Alot of the ASUCD petty politicians are just carpetbaggers. If they don't want to be part of town history I think thats just fine. The politics is just a means for them to all congratulate each other on how influential they are to each other as they would do at any student body. Even I don't have much to contribute to the wiki, since I don't live in Davis anymore. The wiki should really be left up to people who have local info to contribute. Help from outside is ok if wanted by those who live in Davis, but outsiders telling people what to do who are actually in town and might have something real to contribute will just discourage new information and kill the wiki faster. —NickSchmalenberger

2013-08-03 14:32:27   Hey peteb, so not sure about that pink id, the other one however by slowyouroll, i attempted to look at security cameras for that day and it appears that goes too far back to find out who would have done the. It's weird/uncanny however, that review almost sounds just like one we had to comment on. Try looking at our most recent comment by and aggie something, we really have no idea how someone could have done that at that time, unless one of our residents logged on, which would have been very unlikely, let me know what you can come up with. —AllegreApartments

2013-08-05 20:32:29   thanks for gnomin! —StevenDaubert

2013-08-14 18:30:42   You know, sometimes duplicates are posted by accident... people's browsers wig out. Of course, this one may have been deliberate — hard to tell. —CovertProfessor

2013-08-14 18:39:10   Yep, guess you're right. That's obviously no accident. Probably all of the comments should come off entirely. This person is just trying to make trouble. —CovertProfessor

2013-08-28 20:35:46   I replied on my entry, but there's [WWW]been no activity for well over a year. —JabberWokky

2013-08-28 22:45:12   Hello, hope you are well, can you start a page for Massage heights inDavis. Thanks —ElizabethBarthel

2013-09-16 16:15:01   PeteB, are you the owner of the Davis Wiki? Who gets to decide what goes where? Doesn't this violate the spirit of the Wiki? —JanetY

2013-09-16 17:01:27   Thanks! I always try to do strong and clear outreach, stating what the conflict is, how people are perceiving it, and offer to talk. I figure everybody can have a bad day, and sometimes it can be your first day on the wiki. When I posted the edit comment, I thought she might only be reading those and missing the communication on her profile. If I hadn't had the limitations of size in the edit comment, I probably would have put something more like what I just posted. —JabberWokky

2013-09-16 18:05:56   Oh, what should I remove more then? —ConstantiaOomen

2013-09-16 18:11:11   Thanks! —ConstantiaOomen

2013-09-16 18:24:14   Received & Answered! —ConstantiaOomen

2013-09-16 18:28:53   Yeah, it may well be him, but it really doesn't much matter. Doing the same outreach is easy. He'll get bored with the same response. —JabberWokky

2013-09-17 23:03:34   Thank you for your comment; I am still editing these pages at the moment, but if you catch any more problems or mistakes please let me know. Thanks, Timothy —TimothyNutter

2013-09-18 14:17:57   Hi Pete, I didn't feel the topic was unreasonable (nor was your or any other opinion), I just felt attacked by another editor, which put me in a defensive posture, especially since I had zero malicious intent. Sometimes it's all about the initial approach. —JamesKrause

2013-09-21 10:39:25   I think I saw a comment you posted a few days ago in which you stated that you had Cavalier King Charles Spaniels. Is that true or did I make that up? :) —LoriOrf

2013-09-21 21:23:41   They are so cute! So sorry about Isabella; it's never easy. They are just too cute. I love those dogs but I'm not 100% sure I've seen one firsthand. Maybe I will in my vet adventures. I think my dog has some King Charles spaniel in him. He has the same floppy ears with the adorably crimped hair. —LoriOrf

2013-09-23 21:52:18   Pete, How do I respond to someone's comments on a different person's page, that quotes ME saying something bad about that person, but that I didn't say? (Check out Dennis Guerrieri - optometrist, and see the nasty note that was just added by a patient of his (and of mine). I'm in big trouble with Dr. G now, and the things she said weren't true! How do I write a response to "put things into perspective" ? (Feel free to e-mail me: Bob Miller) —BobMiller

2013-09-25 17:39:36   Hey, Pete, are you kidding me? I pushed CP away? Well, then I would be truly amazing. Be smart, find another scapegoat. Or have you completely lost it? I haven't done anything wrong. Maybe somebody (you, C.P.?) is trying something at my expense. Won't work! —ConstantiaOomen

2013-09-25 18:16:50   What's this, already feel the need to archive? :-) I am not afraid about critical comments on my page. So I won't remove your stupid remark about me being the cause of CP's deleting his own page. There's a lot going on here, like this identity thing. But be sure that you can't make me the scapegoat. —ConstantiaOomen

2013-09-25 18:45:10   Hahaha > MY identity issue? I never realized I had one. I think you are mistaking me with yourself, CP and some other anonymous persons. I have always been under my own name and I am not backing out when there's a little discussion about a Davis Wish List. And yes, you are scapegoating me big time. That to me seems not a very smart thing to do. —ConstantiaOomen

2013-09-25 18:52:12   Who is threatening you?? Please clarify! Please, with valid, palpable arguments. —ConstantiaOomen

2013-09-25 18:52:45   Who are you, anyway? :-) Never mind, I already found it: [WWW]

2013-09-25 20:55:03   Pete B, you remove all my comments, and you keep attacking me, with two, meanwhile three false accusations (one: 'I pushed CP away', two: 'I threatened you' and three: 'I exposed your name'). Do you think that is fair? Furthermore: you yourself have published your name and your hobbies etc. here on Davis Wiki. In your earlier comments you mention you are going to pick up my books "here in New York". So, I am just repeating what you are saying. You are slandering my Wiki page (I threatened you? Sure Peter, in your dreams) and I am not removing that, because I honor the rules and you don't. Maybe I would have a valid case against you, namely: slander. —ConstantiaOomen

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