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JabberWokky — 2009-11-06 04:48:41

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- ------ - ''2009-11-06 03:59:56'' [[nbsp]] Hello dearest, - - My name is Miss Jessica,I was very happy when i saw your data today in (daviswiki.org). Besides i am eager to know more about you and to establish a contact relationship or friendship with you,If you do not mind i would like to receive an e-mail from you for me to be able to unveil myself to you only, and to let you know more about me.Here is my email contact, - ( jessicateamah@yahoo.com ),Awaiting to read from you soonest. - Thanks and have a nice day. - - ( jessicateamah@yahoo.com ) - - JESSICA. --["Users/contacto"]

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	+ ------ + ''2009-11-06 03:59:56'' [[nbsp]] Hello dearest, + + My name is Miss Jessica,I was very happy when i saw your data today in (daviswiki.org). Besides i am eager to know more about you and to establish a contact relationship or friendship with you,If you do not mind i would like to receive an e-mail from you for me to be able to unveil myself to you only, and to let you know more about me.Here is my email contact, + ( jessicateamah@yahoo.com ),Awaiting to read from you soonest. + Thanks and have a nice day. + + ( jessicateamah@yahoo.com ) + + JESSICA. --["Users/contacto"]

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JasonAller — 2009-10-21 20:01:52

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- ''2009-05-11 08:15:28'' [[nbsp]] Hey Rich, could you add an intro and some links to provide context to the essays you've been posting? Some of them are a bit puzzling if you just come across them, and most are "dead ends", with no link to get back to related entries. I added an intro to ''["A divine indictment of abusive leadership, and a divine promise of restoration for the abused"]'', but ran into the additional problem that I wasn't exactly sure the context of the entry myself. Basically, I'm thinking that an introduction to provide people with enough information to understand what they are reading and links to read more would be really helpful on those entries. (I know when I first started reading them, I was stumped as to the context, and am not sure I fully understand their context even now). --["Users/JabberWokky"]	+ ''2009-05-11 08:15:28'' [[nbsp]] Hey Rich, could you add an intro and some links to provide context to the essays you've been posting? Some of them are a bit puzzling if you just come across them, and most are "dead ends", with no link to get back to related entries. I added an intro to ''{{{["A divine indictment of abusive leadership, and a divine promise of restoration for the abused"]}}}'', but ran into the additional problem that I wasn't exactly sure the context of the entry myself. Basically, I'm thinking that an introduction to provide people with enough information to understand what they are reading and links to read more would be really helpful on those entries. (I know when I first started reading them, I was stumped as to the context, and am not sure I fully understand their context even now). --["Users/JabberWokky"]

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RichLindvall — 2009-10-11 15:59:14

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- We moved to [http://philomath.wikispot.org/Users/RichLindvall Oregon] in 1994 and are currently living [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfzzOiuoGCc out in the country] near [http://www.el.com/To/Corvallis/ Corvallis]. We continue to reach out to international students, now at [http://oregonstate.edu/ Oregon State University], home of the mighty [http://www.osubeavers.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4700&SPID=1952&SPSID=24799 Beavers]. :-)	+ We moved to [http://philomath.wikispot.org/Users/RichLindvall Oregon] in 1994 and are currently living [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfzzOiuoGCc out in the country] near [http://www.el.com/To/Corvallis/ Corvallis]. We continue to reach out to international students, now at [http://oregonstate.edu/ Oregon State University], home of the mighty [http://www.osubeavers.com/ Beavers]. :-)

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RichLindvall — 2009-07-08 19:57:57

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- Kristy and I now have five children: Micah, Ruthie, Karis, Marnie, & Ellis. In June 2007 Micah married Olisa. On August 3rd [http://lbchew.wikispot.org/Users/RichLindvall Caitlin Lilian] was born! She's a sweetie!!! And what a [wiki:lbchew:"Babies Don't Keep" smile]! God is good--all the time! If you ever feel like a foreigner in the land, remember that [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf5FLngLWY0 we are not home yet!] And we know '''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xwzItqYmII the best is yet to come!]''' Thank you, [http://www.whoisjesus-really.com/main.htm Jesus!]	+ Kristy and I now have five children: Micah, Ruthie, Karis, Marnie, & Ellis. In June 2007 Micah married Olisa. On August 3rd [http://lbchew.wikispot.org/Users/RichLindvall Caitlin Lilian] was born! She's a sweetie!!! And what a [wiki:lbchew:"Babies Don't Keep" smile]! [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eepJeel3LnU God is good--all the time!] If you ever feel like a foreigner in the land, remember that [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf5FLngLWY0 we are not home yet!] And we know '''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xwzItqYmII the best is yet to come!]''' Thank you, [http://www.whoisjesus-really.com/main.htm Jesus!]

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RichLindvall — 2009-07-08 19:42:51

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- We moved to [http://lbchew.wikispot.org/Users/RichLindvall Oregon] in 1994 and are currently living [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfzzOiuoGCc out in the country] near [http://www.el.com/To/Corvallis/ Corvallis]. We continue to reach out to international students, now at [http://oregonstate.edu/ Oregon State University], home of the mighty [http://www.osubeavers.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4700&SPID=1952&SPSID=24799 Beavers]. :-)	+ We moved to [http://philomath.wikispot.org/Users/RichLindvall Oregon] in 1994 and are currently living [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfzzOiuoGCc out in the country] near [http://www.el.com/To/Corvallis/ Corvallis]. We continue to reach out to international students, now at [http://oregonstate.edu/ Oregon State University], home of the mighty [http://www.osubeavers.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4700&SPID=1952&SPSID=24799 Beavers]. :-)

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RichLindvall — 2009-06-24 17:17:16

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Gerrit Buddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.tdlgv.org/images/profile-dwight.jpg Morejohns], ["Users/CliftonBurton" Burtons], Manderfields, ["Users/DaleSorbello" Sorbellos], Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, ["Craig Giannini" Gianninis], [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, ["Users/ronpina" Pinas], Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/images/thompsons.jpg Thompsons], Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://www.reveal.org/library/thirdparty/wellspring_otherside.html beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Gerrit Buddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.tdlgv.org/images/profile-dwight.jpg Morejohns], ["Users/CliftonBurton" Burtons], Manderfields, ["Users/DaleSorbello" Sorbellos], Bimsons, Peter Droubays, ["David Merkel" Merkels], Trotters, Dyers, ["Craig Giannini" Gianninis], [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, ["Users/ronpina" Pinas], Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/images/thompsons.jpg Thompsons], Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://www.reveal.org/library/thirdparty/wellspring_otherside.html beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)

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	+ ------ + ''2009-06-16 12:56:10'' [[nbsp]] Thanks for deleting the list of names from the "recovering" page. I heard my name was on there and it bothers me that someone would put it up. I guess its like "outing" someone without their consent. It is my story to tell. I still dont' understand why you created the page for the merkels though. He's not a public figure and my guess is he doesn't know all of this info is published on the web about him. You are very involved and I recognize your sincerity, but don't assume others share your zeal about connecting themselves publicly to this church. Let them create their own pages and share their stories. --["Users/lddavis"]

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RichLindvall — 2009-06-06 20:56:23

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.tdlgv.org/images/profile-dwight.jpg Morejohns], ["Users/CliftonBurton" Burtons], Manderfields, ["Users/DaleSorbello" Sorbellos], Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, ["Craig Giannini" Gianninis], [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, ["Users/ronpina" Pinas], Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/images/thompsons.jpg Thompsons], Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://www.reveal.org/library/thirdparty/wellspring_otherside.html beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Gerrit Buddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.tdlgv.org/images/profile-dwight.jpg Morejohns], ["Users/CliftonBurton" Burtons], Manderfields, ["Users/DaleSorbello" Sorbellos], Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, ["Craig Giannini" Gianninis], [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, ["Users/ronpina" Pinas], Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/images/thompsons.jpg Thompsons], Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://www.reveal.org/library/thirdparty/wellspring_otherside.html beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)

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RichLindvall — 2009-06-06 06:28:40

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.tdlgv.org/images/profile-dwight.jpg Morejohns], ["Users/CliftonBurton" Burtons], Manderfields, ["Users/DaleSorbello" Sorbellos], Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, ["Users/ronpina" Pinas], Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/images/thompsons.jpg Thompsons], Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://www.reveal.org/library/thirdparty/wellspring_otherside.html beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.tdlgv.org/images/profile-dwight.jpg Morejohns], ["Users/CliftonBurton" Burtons], Manderfields, ["Users/DaleSorbello" Sorbellos], Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, ["Craig Giannini" Gianninis], [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, ["Users/ronpina" Pinas], Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/images/thompsons.jpg Thompsons], Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://www.reveal.org/library/thirdparty/wellspring_otherside.html beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)

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	+ ------ + ''2009-05-11 08:15:28'' [[nbsp]] Hey Rich, could you add an intro and some links to provide context to the essays you've been posting? Some of them are a bit puzzling if you just come across them, and most are "dead ends", with no link to get back to related entries. I added an intro to ''["A divine indictment of abusive leadership, and a divine promise of restoration for the abused"]'', but ran into the additional problem that I wasn't exactly sure the context of the entry myself. Basically, I'm thinking that an introduction to provide people with enough information to understand what they are reading and links to read more would be really helpful on those entries. (I know when I first started reading them, I was stumped as to the context, and am not sure I fully understand their context even now). --["Users/JabberWokky"]

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RichLindvall — 2009-04-27 09:35:02

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- Kristy and I now have five children: Micah, Ruthie, Karis, Marnie, & Ellis. In June 2007 Micah married Olisa. On August 3rd [http://lbchew.wikispot.org/Users/RichLindvall Caitlin Lilian] was born! She's a sweetie!!! And what a [wiki:lbchew:"Babies Don't Keep" smile]! God is good--all the time! If you ever feel like a foreigner in the land, remember that [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf5FLngLWY0 we are not home yet!] And we know '''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FS5GYvg6uU the best is yet to come!]''' Thank you, [http://www.whoisjesus-really.com/main.htm Jesus!]	+ Kristy and I now have five children: Micah, Ruthie, Karis, Marnie, & Ellis. In June 2007 Micah married Olisa. On August 3rd [http://lbchew.wikispot.org/Users/RichLindvall Caitlin Lilian] was born! She's a sweetie!!! And what a [wiki:lbchew:"Babies Don't Keep" smile]! God is good--all the time! If you ever feel like a foreigner in the land, remember that [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf5FLngLWY0 we are not home yet!] And we know '''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xwzItqYmII the best is yet to come!]''' Thank you, [http://www.whoisjesus-really.com/main.htm Jesus!]

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RichLindvall — 2009-04-27 09:31:12

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], ["Users/CliftonBurton" Burtons], Manderfields, ["Users/DaleSorbello" Sorbellos], Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, ["Users/ronpina" Pinas], Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/images/thompsons.jpg Thompsons], Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://www.reveal.org/library/thirdparty/wellspring_otherside.html beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.tdlgv.org/images/profile-dwight.jpg Morejohns], ["Users/CliftonBurton" Burtons], Manderfields, ["Users/DaleSorbello" Sorbellos], Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, ["Users/ronpina" Pinas], Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/images/thompsons.jpg Thompsons], Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://www.reveal.org/library/thirdparty/wellspring_otherside.html beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)

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RichLindvall — 2009-02-23 22:00:00

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- We moved to [http://lbchew.wikispot.org/Users/RichLindvall Oregon] in 1994 and are currently living [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCenFUmdIzk out in the country] near [http://www.el.com/To/Corvallis/ Corvallis]. We continue to reach out to international students, now at [http://oregonstate.edu/ Oregon State University], home of the mighty [http://www.osubeavers.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4700&SPID=1952&SPSID=24799 Beavers]. :-)	+ We moved to [http://lbchew.wikispot.org/Users/RichLindvall Oregon] in 1994 and are currently living [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq8gjqKIzuI out in the country] near [http://www.el.com/To/Corvallis/ Corvallis]. We continue to reach out to international students, now at [http://oregonstate.edu/ Oregon State University], home of the mighty [http://www.osubeavers.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4700&SPID=1952&SPSID=24799 Beavers]. :-)

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], ["Users/CliftonBurton" Burtons], Manderfields, ["Users/DaleSorbello" Sorbellos], Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, ["Users/ronpina" Pinas], Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/images/thompsons.jpg Thompsons], Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://www.ubf-net.de/doc/pile.en.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], ["Users/CliftonBurton" Burtons], Manderfields, ["Users/DaleSorbello" Sorbellos], Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, ["Users/ronpina" Pinas], Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/images/thompsons.jpg Thompsons], Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://www.reveal.org/library/thirdparty/wellspring_otherside.html beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)
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- Kristy and I now have five children: Micah, Ruthie, Karis, Marnie, & Ellis. In June 2007 Micah married Olisa. On August 3rd [http://lbchew.wikispot.org/Users/RichLindvall Caitlin Lilian] was born! She's a sweetie!!! And what a [wiki:lbchew:"Babies Don't Keep" smile]! God is good--all the time! If you ever feel like a foreigner in the land, remember that [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf5FLngLWY0 we are not home yet!] And we know '''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3LUc78vbDk the best is yet to come!]''' Thank you, [http://www.whoisjesus-really.com/main.htm Jesus!]	+ Kristy and I now have five children: Micah, Ruthie, Karis, Marnie, & Ellis. In June 2007 Micah married Olisa. On August 3rd [http://lbchew.wikispot.org/Users/RichLindvall Caitlin Lilian] was born! She's a sweetie!!! And what a [wiki:lbchew:"Babies Don't Keep" smile]! God is good--all the time! If you ever feel like a foreigner in the land, remember that [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf5FLngLWY0 we are not home yet!] And we know '''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FS5GYvg6uU the best is yet to come!]''' Thank you, [http://www.whoisjesus-really.com/main.htm Jesus!]

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RichLindvall — 2008-11-04 10:02:10

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- We did a lot of reaching-out to international students over the years. Many great meals/English classes/seminars with friends at the ["International House"]. What a great place with so many ways of taking part in welcoming "the world on our doorstep"! We also enjoyed long walks along ["Putah Creek"], apparently the inspiration for Tom Fogerty's (Creedence Clearwater Revival) song [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9fErhlRBR0 "Green River."] One of our favorite annual events was ["Picnic Day"] and in particular the ["Picnic Day Battle of the Bands"]. Such an incredible venue--there on the grassy banks overlooking ["Putah Creek"]. Our favorite was the [http://youtube.com/watch?v=drV-1hG1yTY Stanford Band] (sorry ["Aggie Band"]) with their usually hilarious drum major. We understand that in 2007 our own [http://osumb.oregonstate.edu/ Oregon State University band] even took part!	+ We did a lot of reaching-out to international students over the years. Many great meals/English classes/seminars with friends at the ["International House"]. What a great place with so many ways of taking part in welcoming "the world on our doorstep"! We also enjoyed long walks along ["Putah Creek"], apparently the inspiration for Tom Fogerty's (Creedence Clearwater Revival) song [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4-yugdZUt0 "Green River."] One of our favorite annual events was ["Picnic Day"] and in particular the ["Picnic Day Battle of the Bands"]. Such an incredible venue--there on the grassy banks overlooking ["Putah Creek"]. Our favorite was the [http://youtube.com/watch?v=drV-1hG1yTY Stanford Band] (sorry ["Aggie Band"]) with their usually hilarious drum major. We understand that in 2007 our own [http://osumb.oregonstate.edu/ Oregon State University band] even took part!

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RichLindvall — 2008-10-13 11:49:13

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], ["Users/CliftonBurton" Burtons], Manderfields, ["Users/DaleSorbello" Sorbellos], Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, ["Users/ronpina" Pinas], Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, [ http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/images/thompsons.jpg Thompsons], Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://www.ubf-net.de/doc/pile.en.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], ["Users/CliftonBurton" Burtons], Manderfields, ["Users/DaleSorbello" Sorbellos], Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, ["Users/ronpina" Pinas], Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/images/thompsons.jpg Thompsons], Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://www.ubf-net.de/doc/pile.en.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)

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RichLindvall — 2008-10-13 11:47:54

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], ["Users/CliftonBurton" Burtons], Manderfields, ["Users/DaleSorbello" Sorbellos], Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, ["Users/ronpina" Pinas], Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://www.ubf-net.de/doc/pile.en.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], ["Users/CliftonBurton" Burtons], Manderfields, ["Users/DaleSorbello" Sorbellos], Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, ["Users/ronpina" Pinas], Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, [ http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/images/thompsons.jpg Thompsons], Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://www.ubf-net.de/doc/pile.en.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)

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RichLindvall — 2008-10-12 13:23:01

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://www.ubf-net.de/doc/pile.en.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], ["Users/CliftonBurton" Burtons], Manderfields, ["Users/DaleSorbello" Sorbellos], Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, ["Users/ronpina" Pinas], Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://www.ubf-net.de/doc/pile.en.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)

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- We did a lot of reaching-out to international students over the years. Many great meals/English classes/seminars with friends at the ["International House"]. What a great place with so many ways of taking part in welcoming "the world on our doorstep"! We also enjoyed long walks along ["Putah Creek"], apparently the inspiration for Tom Fogerty's (Creedence Clearwater Revival) song [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEvC-NmxcTc "Green River."] One of our favorite annual events was ["Picnic Day"] and in particular the ["Picnic Day Battle of the Bands"]. Such an incredible venue--there on the grassy banks overlooking ["Putah Creek"]. Our favorite was the [http://youtube.com/watch?v=drV-1hG1yTY Stanford Band] (sorry ["Aggie Band"]) with their usually hilarious drum major. We understand that in 2007 our own [http://osumb.oregonstate.edu/ Oregon State University band] even took part!	+ We did a lot of reaching-out to international students over the years. Many great meals/English classes/seminars with friends at the ["International House"]. What a great place with so many ways of taking part in welcoming "the world on our doorstep"! We also enjoyed long walks along ["Putah Creek"], apparently the inspiration for Tom Fogerty's (Creedence Clearwater Revival) song [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9fErhlRBR0 "Green River."] One of our favorite annual events was ["Picnic Day"] and in particular the ["Picnic Day Battle of the Bands"]. Such an incredible venue--there on the grassy banks overlooking ["Putah Creek"]. Our favorite was the [http://youtube.com/watch?v=drV-1hG1yTY Stanford Band] (sorry ["Aggie Band"]) with their usually hilarious drum major. We understand that in 2007 our own [http://osumb.oregonstate.edu/ Oregon State University band] even took part!

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RichLindvall — 2008-10-12 07:57:09

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- We moved to [http://lbchew.wikispot.org/Users/RichLindvall Oregon] in 1994 and are currently living [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4IU4eTmtNs out in the country] near [http://www.el.com/To/Corvallis/ Corvallis]. We continue to reach out to international students, now at [http://oregonstate.edu/ Oregon State University], home of the mighty [http://www.osubeavers.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4700&SPID=1952&SPSID=24799 Beavers]. :-)	+ We moved to [http://lbchew.wikispot.org/Users/RichLindvall Oregon] in 1994 and are currently living [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCenFUmdIzk out in the country] near [http://www.el.com/To/Corvallis/ Corvallis]. We continue to reach out to international students, now at [http://oregonstate.edu/ Oregon State University], home of the mighty [http://www.osubeavers.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4700&SPID=1952&SPSID=24799 Beavers]. :-)

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	+ ------ + ''2008-07-20 12:15:43'' [[nbsp]] in response to "2008-05-19 14:52:08 Hello Rich and Family, Thanks for the picture posted. It is good to see such manifold blessings in your life. We are living in Winters and attending The Father's House in Vacaville. Much healing since we left and now moving on in Christ. Our son Nate and his wife Melissa attend with us and Toby and Rebekah were married in 1999.They are at the Sovereign Grace Ministries Pastor's College in Maryland with a vision to plant a church in SF. Please pray him and his family as they prepare over the next year for this launch. Looking forward to hearing more from you by e-mail or wiki. God bless you all, Ron and Sue Piña <rpcolada AT hotmail DOT com> —ronpina" - I must caution you, and unfrotunately the pattern seems to be following this family to some extent. You mentioned your involvement in a church that was following shepherding or authoritarian abuse. And someone (shown above) commented that her daughter wqas now married to a pastor's college candidate with Sovereign Grace Ministries. I wish it were not true, but Sovereign Grace Ministries is guilty of EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS you former church was that you left! (and sounds like this woman also attended) Please warn her and her daughter. If you goggle SGM and cult, or shepherding you will find lots of info on the movement and its history, change to calvinism suddenly, etc. Change in leadership, deceptive practices, etc etc. Just oculd not read that post without responding. I fear for her family if they are involved in SGM in any way, esp in leadership. GOd bless. Check out sgmrefuge.com and sgmsurvivors.com for more stories of spiritual abuse similar to your own. God be glorified. --["Users/Concerned"]

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	+ ------ + ''2008-07-01 14:04:59'' [[nbsp]] Hey, Rich... the seed icon is [http://daviswiki.org/Seed?action=Files&do=view&target=seed-000.png here]. I had a couple variations on it when I made it, and I can see if I can dig them up for you, but you're welcome to use that one without any credit (i.e., as the original artist, I give it to you freely). --["Users/JabberWokky"]

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- ''2008-05-19 14:52:08'' [[nbsp]] Hello Rich and Family, Thanks for the picture posted. It is good to see such manifold blessings in your life. We are living in Winters and attending The Father's House in Vacaville. Much healing since we left and now moving on in Christ. Our son Nate and his wife Melissa attend with us and Toby and Rebekah were married in 1999.They are at the Sovereign Grace Ministries Pastor's College in Maryland with a vision to plant a church in SF. Please pray him and his family as they prepare over the next year for this launch. Looking forward to hearing more from you by e-mail or wiki. God bless you all, Ron and Sue Piña (rpcolada@hotmail.com) --["Users/ronpina"]	+ ''2008-05-19 14:52:08'' [[nbsp]] Hello Rich and Family, Thanks for the picture posted. It is good to see such manifold blessings in your life. We are living in Winters and attending The Father's House in Vacaville. Much healing since we left and now moving on in Christ. Our son Nate and his wife Melissa attend with us and Toby and Rebekah were married in 1999.They are at the Sovereign Grace Ministries Pastor's College in Maryland with a vision to plant a church in SF. Please pray him and his family as they prepare over the next year for this launch. Looking forward to hearing more from you by e-mail or wiki. God bless you all, Ron and Sue Piña [[Mailto(rpcolada AT hotmail DOT com)]] --["Users/ronpina"]

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	+ ------ + ''2008-05-19 14:52:08'' [[nbsp]] Hello Rich and Family, Thanks for the picture posted. It is good to see such manifold blessings in your life. We are living in Winters and attending The Father's House in Vacaville. Much healing since we left and now moving on in Christ. Our son Nate and his wife Melissa attend with us and Toby and Rebekah were married in 1999.They are at the Sovereign Grace Ministries Pastor's College in Maryland with a vision to plant a church in SF. Please pray him and his family as they prepare over the next year for this launch. Looking forward to hearing more from you by e-mail or wiki. God bless you all, Ron and Sue Piña (rpcolada@hotmail.com) --["Users/ronpina"]

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	+ No worries, I figured this was the case. The {{{[[comments]]}}} box only adds the box for comments, you could just put a {{{-------}}} which should turn into a line, and have the comments below that! Have a great night! --["Users/StevenDaubert"]

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	+ ------ + ''2008-05-14 19:13:54'' [[nbsp]] Next time you edit a page, try not to remove my comments, especially if they haven't been responded to... --["Users/StevenDaubert"]

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RichLindvall — 2008-03-18 13:56:33

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- Kristy and I now have five children: Micah, Ruthie, Karis, Marnie, & Ellis. In June 2007 Micah married Olisa. On August 3rd [http://lbchew.wikispot.org/Users/RichLindvall Caitlin Lilian] was born! She's a sweetie!!! And what a [wiki:lbchew:"Babies Don't Keep" smile]! God is good--all the time! If you ever feel like a foreigner in the land, remember that [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7DgnNOyDE4 we are not home yet!] And we know '''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3LUc78vbDk the best is yet to come!]''' Thank you, [http://www.whoisjesus-really.com/main.htm Jesus!]	+ Kristy and I now have five children: Micah, Ruthie, Karis, Marnie, & Ellis. In June 2007 Micah married Olisa. On August 3rd [http://lbchew.wikispot.org/Users/RichLindvall Caitlin Lilian] was born! She's a sweetie!!! And what a [wiki:lbchew:"Babies Don't Keep" smile]! God is good--all the time! If you ever feel like a foreigner in the land, remember that [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf5FLngLWY0 we are not home yet!] And we know '''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3LUc78vbDk the best is yet to come!]''' Thank you, [http://www.whoisjesus-really.com/main.htm Jesus!]

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://www.ubf-net.de/doc/pile.en.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://www.ubf-net.de/doc/pile.en.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)

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RichLindvall — 2008-02-24 09:34:07

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- We moved to [http://lbchew.wikispot.org/Users/RichLindvall Oregon] in 1994 and are currently living near [http://www.el.com/To/Corvallis/ Corvallis]. We continue to reach out to international students, now at [http://oregonstate.edu/ Oregon State University], home of the mighty [http://www.osubeavers.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4700&SPID=1952&SPSID=24799 Beavers]. :-)	+ We moved to [http://lbchew.wikispot.org/Users/RichLindvall Oregon] in 1994 and are currently living [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4IU4eTmtNs out in the country] near [http://www.el.com/To/Corvallis/ Corvallis]. We continue to reach out to international students, now at [http://oregonstate.edu/ Oregon State University], home of the mighty [http://www.osubeavers.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4700&SPID=1952&SPSID=24799 Beavers]. :-)

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://www.ubf-net.de/doc/pile.en.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-03 13:00:57'' [[nbsp]] Re: the seed stub... the image used in the DavisWiki is from me... feel free to copy it. Basically, just create an entry named "Seed" on your wiki, and then you can use {{{[[Include(Seed)]]}}} to add it. Check out the ["Seed"] entry here for an example to work from. --["Users/JabberWokky"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-11-24 09:39:53'' [[nbsp]] if you want to watch some encouraging videos, watch [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ML77ev1SDI this] or [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0qs71TYwoM this]. Make sure you don't forget about genocidal wars for empire in your quest to escape from spiritual abuse. --["Users/PxlAted"]

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	+ ''2007-10-31 08:14:56'' [[nbsp]] I like the way you "cut to the chase". I deleted your "dos centavos" worth because they detracted from the direction I was headed with the page which wasn't your fault because I hadn't explicitly stated it yet. You're right. It is "Christian centric". My intent. Regarding the photos, if I simply put the links on the page, is it still a copyright violation? (They're not actually there--except for my apple blossom photo at the top, which my daughter took.) Que tenga feliz dia! --["Users/RichLindvall"] + ------

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	+ ------ + ''2007-11-05 21:13:28'' [[nbsp]] Check out this [http://dmregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071104/NEWS03/711040325/1001 article]. Maybe you can use in on [wiki:recoveringfromspiritualabuse]? --["Users/JasonAller"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-11-03 09:45:22'' [[nbsp]] My wife (getting her doctorate here at Penn State) is a research chemist, and we both like small towns in non-freezing climates. I'm a business owner and can work anywhere. If you list the small towns with research universities below the heavy snow line, Davis is on the short list for us to return and settle into. Add the proximity to large cities with good arts and theater, and it is quite possible we'll be returning. Of course, life is delightfully unexpected, so who knows... --["Users/JabberWokky"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-11-02 01:44:17'' [[nbsp]] Wow! Maybe you should consider writing something on the [wiki:santacruz:"Santa's Village"] page about what you remember, even if it's just a description of what it was or some little anecdote. Most people I've talked around my age don't know of it (or know only by the highway 17 sign). The Scwiki is sorely missing a lot of historical information, due in part to the fact that there is just so much that has happened here --["Users/MaryLieth"]

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- ''2007-11-01 10:11:08'' [[nbsp]] Hah, well, there's still a lot more of it that I couldn't get photos of because it was closed off. During the late fall, [wiki:scwiki: "Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk" they] are only open on weekends, and I happened to be there on a weekday when most of the stuff was closed. Luckily I live just down the street, so someday in the near future I'll get more in depth with it, take some more photos. --["Users/MaryLieth"]	+ ''2007-11-01 10:11:08'' [[nbsp]] Hah, well, there's still a lot more of it that I couldn't get photos of because it was closed off. During the late fall, [wiki:santacruz: "Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk" they] are only open on weekends, and I happened to be there on a weekday when most of the stuff was closed. Luckily I live just down the street, so someday in the near future I'll get more in depth with it, take some more photos. --["Users/MaryLieth"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-11-01 10:11:08'' [[nbsp]] Hah, well, there's still a lot more of it that I couldn't get photos of because it was closed off. During the late fall, [wiki:scwiki: "Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk" they] are only open on weekends, and I happened to be there on a weekday when most of the stuff was closed. Luckily I live just down the street, so someday in the near future I'll get more in depth with it, take some more photos. --["Users/MaryLieth"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-10-31 08:33:26'' [[nbsp]] cool. it's a beautiful photo. I'm not sure about just linking to images though. might still be copyright issue. --["Users/PxlAted"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-10-31 00:03:45'' [[nbsp]] Re spiritual abuse. It's not "your" page and it's a wiki page called "recovering from spiritual abuse" not "the page to allow those of us who have left GVCC to share how we have, by God's grace, moved on and continued with our lives." I think three pages talking of the GVCC drama is enough already, I liked the page better as a general spiritual abuse page. All the text you wrote is christian centric, which may not matter to you because you're a christian, but it matters to other people. Maybe try more inclusive wording? + + I think all the photos are copyrighted and should be removed unless you can show otherwise. + Also, telling me "thank you" doesn't mean you then have the right to delete my 2cents on spiritual abuse. + + --["Users/PxlAted"]

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. ''(Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counseling staff!])'' (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)

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We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. ''(Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counseling staff!])''	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. ''(Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counseling staff!])'' (For more on this chapter of our lives check out the ["Recovering From Spiritual Abuse"] page!)

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- Hi! I'm Rich Lindvall and our family lived in ["Davis"] from 1987 to 1994. Before moving to Davis, we worked with [http://www.wycliffe.org/ Wycliffe Bible Translators] for eight years: Rich in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia Colombia] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papua_New_Guinea Papua New Guinea] and Kristy in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia Malaysia]. Our first house was at 630 ["Anderson Road"], a rental owned by the ["Emil Mrak" Mrak] family. We soon purchased a house of our own in ["East Davis"] at 2429 Temple Drive. Some great years for sure. Our son Micah, then later Ruthie and Karis were born up at Woodland Memorial Hospital. Sweet memories of walking down to ["Slide Hill Park"] or over to ["Birch Lane School"] with our kids.	+ Hi! I'm Rich Lindvall and our family lived in ["Davis"] from 1987 to 1994. Before moving to Davis, we worked with [http://www.wycliffe.org/ Wycliffe Bible Translators] for eight years: Rich in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia Colombia] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papua_New_Guinea Papua New Guinea] and Kristy in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia Malaysia]. Our first house in Davis was at 630 ["Anderson Road"], a rental owned by the ["Emil Mrak" Mrak] family. We soon purchased a house of our own in ["East Davis"] at 2429 Temple Drive. Some great years for sure. Our son Micah, then later Ruthie and Karis were born up at Woodland Memorial Hospital. Sweet memories of walking down to ["Slide Hill Park"] or over to ["Birch Lane School"] with our kids.

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. ''(Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counseling staff!])''	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, ["Daniel Washabaugh" Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. ''(Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counseling staff!])''

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	+ ------ + ''2007-10-24 19:34:44'' [[nbsp]] The photo alignment trick used to be the only way to align a photo a few years ago on the wiki. Sometimes those old workarounds come in handy. :) It's still always better if there's a local photo uploaded, as that means the photo is under Creative Commons and can be used by other people and wikis... but you'd need to be the photographer (or have the photographer's or image owner's permission) to do so. Nice work slowly and steadily documenting that little corner of Davis. --["Users/JabberWokky"]

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. ''(Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counseling staff!])''	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of ["Users/GerritBuddingh" Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Gulys, Clumpners, and of course ["Reverend P. G. Mathew" Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. ''(Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counseling staff!])''

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. ''(Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counseling staff!])''	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. ''(Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counseling staff!])''

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When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counseling staff!])	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. ''(Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counseling staff!])''

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counseling staff!])

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every area of our lives'' would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also became more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also were becoming more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also became more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the leadership. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also became more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/mathew.jpg leadership]. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also became more aware of a pattern of public humiliation of members who were "out of sync" with the leadership. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also became more aware of a pattern of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the leadership. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also became more aware of a [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations?action=show&redirect=Grace+Valley+Christian+Center%2FAberrations pattern of public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the leadership. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also became more aware of a pattern of public humiliation of members who were "out of sync" with the leadership. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also became more aware of a pattern of public humiliation of members who were "out of sync" with the leadership. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations?action=show&redirect=Grace+Valley+Christian+Center%2FAberrations friends who once shunned us] have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also became more aware of a [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations?action=show&redirect=Grace+Valley+Christian+Center%2FAberrations pattern of public humiliation of members] who were "out of sync" with the leadership. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also became more aware of a pattern of public humiliation of members who were "out of sync" with the leadership. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also became more aware of a pattern of public humiliation of members who were "out of sync" with the leadership. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of [http://daviswiki.org/Grace_Valley_Christian_Center/Allegations?action=show&redirect=Grace+Valley+Christian+Center%2FAberrations friends who once shunned us] have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also became more aware of a pattern of public humiliation of members who were "out of sync" with the leadership. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also became more aware of a pattern of public humiliation of members who were "out of sync" with the leadership. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have since left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also became more aware of a pattern of public humiliation of members who were "out of sync" with the leadership. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For any former GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also became more aware of a pattern of public humiliation of members who were "out of sync" with the leadership. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (Former (or current) GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family.	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] We also became more aware of a pattern of public humiliation of members who were "out of sync" with the leadership. In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. (A number of friends who once shunned us have left GVCC and are now shunned themselves.) We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. (For any former GVCC members, take note: UCC has a great [http://www.ucov.com/CounselingCenter.php counselling staff!])

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, Ron Gulys, Robys, Thompsons, Clumpners, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs],and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family.	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs], Robys, Thompsons, Ron Gulys, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family.

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Bonettis, Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Smiths, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Moroskis], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, Droubays, Gulys, Robys, Thompsons, Clumpners, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs],and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family.	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Steven Smiths, Bonettis, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Mike Moroskis], Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, [http://www.teamdonatelife.com/images/dwightmorejohn.jpg Morejohns], Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Peter Droubays, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, [http://www.calnursesfoundation.org/images/lary.gif Farvers], Jackuras, Penas, Roths, Ron Gulys, Robys, Thompsons, Clumpners, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs],and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor P.G. Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family.

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. We became good friends with people in our "cell" group: Clarks, Grensteds, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Buddinghs], Bonettis, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Smiths, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Moroskis], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Morejohns, Burtons, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, Jackuras, Penas, Roths, Droubays, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Washabaughs], Gulys, Robys, Thompsons, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family.	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. As part of [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Gerrit Buddingh's] "cell group" we became good friends with Clarks, Grensteds, Bonettis, Bassos, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Smiths, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Moroskis], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Chapmans, Morejohns, Burtons, Manderfields, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, Farvers, Jackuras, Penas, Roths, Droubays, Gulys, Robys, Thompsons, Clumpners, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Daniel Washabaughs],and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor PG Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. In a series of "progressive revelation" one-on-one meetings with the leadership, we were gradually brought to an understanding as to what joining "flock" entailed. As it was finally explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be ''"on the table"'' for the leadership to touch. And the clinching question: ''"Do you trust God enough to allow Him to direct you through us?"'' Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning shunned] by our friends there. We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family.

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- For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. We became good friends with people in our "cell" group: Clarks, Grensteds, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Buddinghs], Bonettis, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Smiths, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Moroskis], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Morejohns, Burtons, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, Jackuras, Penas, Roths, Droubays, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Washabaughs], Gulys, Robys, Thompsons, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of 'belonging' to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. As it was explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be 'on the table' for the leadership to touch. Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] In 1992, after five years as members at GVCC, we left over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be shunned by our friends there. We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. We moved to [http://www.traveloregon.com/ Oregon] in 1994 and are currently living near [http://www.el.com/To/Corvallis/ Corvallis]. We continue to reach out to international students, now at [http://oregonstate.edu/ Oregon State University], home of the mighty [http://www.osubeavers.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4700&SPID=1952&SPSID=24799 Beavers]. :-)	+ For five years we were members at ["Grace Valley Christian Center"]. We became good friends with people in our "cell" group: Clarks, Grensteds, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/buddingh.jpg Buddinghs], Bonettis, Lischeskes, Johnsons, [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~spencer/ Spencers], Smiths, [http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ucda/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-Moroski03.jpg Moroskis], Hashagens. Others we remember are the Spartzes, Morejohns, Burtons, Sorbellos, Bimsons, Trotters, Dyers, Gianninis, Jackuras, Penas, Roths, Droubays, [http://www.gracevalley.org/gvca/about/images/washabaugh.jpg Washabaughs], Gulys, Robys, Thompsons, Clumpners, and of course [http://www.gracevalley.org/images/pastor1sharpened.jpg Pastor Mathew] and Gladys. When we first began attending Grace Valley we felt as though we'd "died and gone to heaven." We experienced such an amazing sense of belonging to a life-long group of committed believers. It was only after we began inquiring about the inner group known as "flock" that we became concerned about the extent of control the leadership exerted over people. As it was explained to us, if we were in "flock" ''every'' area of our lives would be "on the table" for the leadership to touch. Yikes! We understand the Biblical concept of discipleship, but this was something [http://gcmwarning.com/Articles/OtherSideDiscipleship.htm beyond that!] In 1992 we left GVCC over our concerns related to [http://www.spiritualabuse.com/ Spiritual abuse]. To this day we continue to be shunned by our friends there. We found new friends at ["University Covenant Church"], especially the [http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~hunt/ Hunts], Sorbellos, VanZanten/De Ropps, Houcks. Thanks, guys, you were lifesavers for us! UCC was truly a place of refuge and healing for our family. We moved to [http://www.traveloregon.com/ Oregon] in 1994 and are currently living near [http://www.el.com/To/Corvallis/ Corvallis]. We continue to reach out to international students, now at [http://oregonstate.edu/ Oregon State University], home of the mighty [http://www.osubeavers.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4700&SPID=1952&SPSID=24799 Beavers]. :-)

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RichLindvall — 2007-10-03 10:00:36

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