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2010-06-02 19:44:53 Welcome to the Wiki. Sorry, the welcome is a little late. It looks like a comment you left on the Davis Computer page has been removed by Khanh. It sparked a bit of discussion at Users/Khanh/Talk. —JasonAller
2011-01-06 13:14:40 Todd-please don't delete people's comments. If the issue has been resolved, please simply add a comment to your page explaining has been resolved. When you simply remove the comments, it could appear that you have not addressed the issue and could cause a misperception. Thanks —Users/PeterBoulay
2011-01-06 21:25:39 Well then why don't your leave a comment. She got her $265 back. I felt that it was no loger relivant. Besides since that Khanh removed my comment from his page then why can't I be able to remove one. Also I don't thing that comming from me would be enough as it would be better comming from her. I don't think that she would be agreeable to leave a comment. I've just written her off as a customer.
I had so many problems with a lot of Seagate hard drives that I bought going bad that I stopped using them. I only use Western Digital. I don't think that it is possible to get her to understand. —ToddJames
Todd-Why would I leave a comment about a business transaction YOU had? Just leave her a comment about the issue by editing and typing it in right under hers. Then leave it at that. -PeteB
2011-01-13 19:45:25 Please read Welcome to the wiki/Business Owner, and you will see that the edits you made on the Computer Depot page were not appropriate. Thus, I restored the page to the way it was. However, please feel free to add content (information about your business) that is not promotional or an advertisement. —CovertProfessor
2011-01-17 12:18:21 What would you like changed? —Users/PeterBoulay
2011-01-19 16:30:06 Todd-please be aware that Daviswiki cannot be used as a full-tilt advertisement for your business—the non-profit status of the Wiki prevents it. You can put up some minimal info and we can try the poster but it will have to be sized appropriately for the page. —Users/PeterBoulay
2011-01-19 16:38:45 Todd—the info you put up was a full blown advertisement with massive detail and the such. The very content of what you put up—as I said-violates the rules about using the Wiki for Advertising. Sorry friend. —Users/PeterBoulay
2011-01-19 17:01:56 Keep in mind you can always view past revisions of any content on the wiki by going to that page and clicking the "Info" icon next to the title. Past changes, with a full log of activity, are always visible. —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards, firstname.lastname@example.org
2011-01-19 22:13:39 I'm not sure if this answers your question to Pete, since I'm not sure what edits/comments/pages are involved, but it might help: As a general rule, users have nearly complete control over content on their own user pages (Users/ToddJames, for instance). That's distinct from a page about a person, a business, or anything else on the wiki. There are occasionally disputes over content on a user page, most often when someone is deliberately being obnoxious by either deleting attempts to communicate with them, or repeatedly making unwanted changes to someone else's user page. The general practice is to let people control their own page, though, even if they're being rude about it.
By contrast, people are not free to remove valid comments from non-user pages (such as a page about a business)—particularly not anyone with any sort of direct interest in the business. That goes for both the owner/employee/whatever of the business, and for competitors. Sometimes there are problem comments, where someone is just outrageously rude, or makes obviously ridiculous accusations, and those get removed. Even then, though, just for the sake of appearances, it's better if someone who isn't directly involved does the deed. —TomGarberson
2011-01-20 12:00:06 Todd-I am one person on this Wiki-I don't read each and every page. If you can tell me which page specifically you are referring to, I'll be more then happy to look at it. —Users/PeterBoulay
2011-01-20 15:42:50 Todd—regarding your concern over Khanh, I am going to request you discuss that matter with JabberWokky as he appears to be more knowledgeable over past issues you have had with that person and their business. Thank You. —Users/PeterBoulay
2011-01-20 17:16:54 Todd—you're switching up on me and confusing me. Previously you specifically mentioned Khanh and now you're changing the issue. On your business page, you deleted negative comments you didn't like from your profile-just because someone says something you don't like it does not mean you can delete it. —Users/PeterBoulay
2011-01-20 19:13:26 Todd—as to your concerns about Khanh I will refer you to consult with Jabberwokky as that was a much different situation that I have not had an opportunity to read all the way back on. As to your situation, I have explained why I took the actions I did in an earlier comment about the Wiki's Non-Profit Status. Please re-read it—as well, please see TomGarberson's comment earlier. I'm going away for a few days and will be unreachable—Users/PeterBoulay
2011-08-02 07:43:36 Maybe you could stop messing around with info about your competitors. Especially since you have already been asked in the past to stop treating Computer Depot as your own personal advertisement and stop deleting comments you should know better. Thanks. —MeggoWaffle
2011-08-02 08:48:49 Hey, Todd. You should be aware that because of your ongoing vandalism of the wiki, somebody has proposed that you be banned. Even if it doesn't carry through, I would highly recommend that you cease vandalizing and removing content for apparent commercial ends and to advance your business at the cost of your neighbors. The wiki is not commercial in nature, and although businesses are welcome here, it is critical that everybody have respect for others in Davis and good intentions toward any subject being edited (even if a negative aspect is being presented). Removing content in an attempt to remove competitors from the community project that is the wiki is especially troubling, and I sincerely urge to to cease such edits. —JabberWokky
2011-08-02 08:50:26 Let me add that I agree completely with what MeggoWaffle and JabberWokky said. —CovertProfessor
2011-08-02 20:00:17 Todd removed the S&S again this evening. I now support a ban on him —Users/PeterBoulay
2011-08-02 20:32:59 Todd-aside from your business conflict with S&S, we do not allow people to remove other's business listings from the Wiki over this type of an issue. You have been requested SEVERAL times not to do this. Please let this serve as your final warning if you do it again a ban is a very real possibility. Again please leave the Wiki out of your issues with S&S. Thank You —Users/PeterBoulay
2011-08-02 20:33:10 I'm sorry you feel that way. It really isn't appropriate to use the wiki as a weapon. Please don't vandalize the work of others. If you feel you can't help it, I would respectfully suggest that you might consider walking away for awhile until you're calm enough to edit the wiki. —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards, email@example.com, (814) 889-8845
2011-08-02 21:32:36 I do have sympathy for your situation, actually. But it sounds like one of those things that happens in life. You weren't able to take over the property sooner, and they got it first. It sucks, but that's the way the business world works. It might be unfair in some sense of the word "fairness," but it doesn't sound like anything illegal or even unethical happened. Unless there is more to the story that you're not telling us. —CovertProfessor
2011-08-02 21:44:08 I'm sorry to hear about the problems you've run into with leasing a location. I'm not sure what deleting the other company's entry is going to do to resolve that, though. The long and short of it is that this is a community resource that tries to document everything in Davis. People aren't reverting your changes because they're insensitive to your troubles, but because A) this isn't the place to fight that fight, and B) it wouldn't do any good even if it was the right place.
Seriously, what do you think it's going to accomplish? —TomGarberson
2011-08-02 22:06:24 Another thing to keep in mind is that the entry you're vandalizing isn't theirs — it's the work of, and owned by the community. You're not hurting them, you're lashing out and damaging a shared project that is not theirs. It sounds like you're obsessing over them (I've certainly laid awake nights, unable to get a thought out of my head... it's part of being human), but you've accidentally tripped across a community effort to document Davis, and are attacking your neighbors instead. This is not a business listing site. If you have a legitimate grievance, look at the comments above... people are asking you for details — if it's reasonable, the wiki is a perfect place for such things. Right now it just sounds like they rented a spot before you by coincidence and you're upset you missed out on the spot. Reasonably upsetting, but unless you're leaving something out it doesn't really seem like cause for vandalizing an open project about the town. —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards, firstname.lastname@example.org, (814) 889-8845
2011-08-02 22:30:27 Hi Todd, sorry to hear about your situation. Your complaint really is with the leasing agents for Westlake Plaza, so http://daviswiki.org/Westlake_Plaza is the place to post your story if you feel that will help your business. —DonShor
2011-08-03 09:07:59 I think everyone can understand your emotional reaction to the situation — I know that I can. And I know how hard it is to get a business up and running, especially in this economy. Is your plan, though, to focus your energies on trying to drive S&S out of business? It's none of my business, but that doesn't sound like a very promising strategy. It also seems, as others have said, that it's the leasing agent you should be angry at, not S&S. I say this out of concern for you, because it sounds like you're having a hard time, and I wouldn't want to see you waste your energies. Is there another space in Davis that would work for you, even if it's not the ideal space that you wanted? —CovertProfessor
2011-08-03 17:19:56 You sound kinda sinister when you talk about this stuff. Not sure if that's deliberate. Just a heads up of how it's coming across. —TomGarberson
2011-08-03 17:20:30 Ok, I see. Well, as a businessman I'm sure you know that there is good old-fashioned competition to see who can be the best, and then there are more underhanded tactics. I guess some people saw your deleting the S&S page as being more underhanded. I hope that you're simply striving to have the best business that you can. —CovertProfessor
2011-08-03 20:14:04 Fine with us. In case you haven't noticed, Davis Wiki does not want to be a business listing site — in fact, it is a non-profit organization. It is supposed to be for information only, not advertising. —CovertProfessor
2011-08-03 20:19:47 2011-08-03 20:11:41 Oh, I'm really happy because when I typed "computer repair" in Google, my listing for my site come up before Davis Wiki. Yea Whoa... Just makes Davis Wiki irrelevant to my business as far as getting new business.
Todd I have been staying out of it, but that comment makes you sound like an ass AND demonstrates that you don't understand the Davis Market. I can tell you that at least with myself and college students I know, we always turn to the wiki before google searches for finding a business. I get that you are frustrated but I am sick of your insults about the wiki and how "irrelevant" it is. Every business I patronize I discovered through this wiki so you should strive to be a positive influence here. —OliviaY
That's what she said...
Word of mouth is powerful in Davis, as far as generating / keeping clients. Shenanigans like this ensure you don't get referrals from the entrenched people in town... I've kept silent but I've read everything on the page I just felt the urge to reaffirm what Olivia says Daubert
2011-08-04 00:46:31 I will say no more after this. You can try to argue the facts that an SEO expert will tell you about peoples habits when using search engines or finding what they are looking for. You may think what I'm saying is ridicules. I've learned from the SEO experts and what I say is not just pulling something out of thin air. Most people that come to this space or otherwise won't even know what I'm talking about when I bring up the subject of SEO.
There are 2 types of marketing. Search, like things like Google, Davis Wiki, etc. are passive marketing and is where people go out and actively search for what they are looking for. The information is out there for people to find. Active marketing is where I go out and send them information about my business to their home, business, or a place of business. Active marketing and SEO will play a much more relevant part as for getting new clients than Davis Wiki. Sorry you feel this way. —ToddJames
2011-08-04 08:24:32 Say whatever you want about your knowledge of marketing, but those same experts will tell you that you can't overcome the negative perceptions you've begun, and continue to foster, here. —Davidlm
2011-08-04 08:53:20 I through with Davis Wiki. I'm disablingling my account forever! —ToddJames
2011-08-04 12:09:55 I'll agree with David and the others...you don't understand the reach of DavisWiki (and apparently aren't willing to reach beyond your misperceptions. To be honest, your lack of ability to spell doesn't help. Good luck in your future. —Users/PeterBoulay
2011-08-04 12:22:20 Young Todd may think he's "through." But once you start down the Davis Wiki, forever will it dominate your destiny. —ScottMeehleib
2011-08-04 14:15:31 Hey, at least the vote on banning him didn't have to come to fruition. —MeggoWaffle
2011-08-04 14:36:54 My understanding is the more you search something in Google, the higher it'll appear in the search results. It's likely he's getting his business as the first result because he's been searching for his own page so much on Google. —TimJ
2013-05-01 20:32:27 Todd—your pics weren't formatting correctly so I reuploaded them and recoded the display info on your page. Nice pics! —PeteB