http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_HospitalRecent Changes of the page "Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital" on Davis Wiki.en-us http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2009-07-14 12:33:40MichellePalmerComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 93: </td> <td> Line 93: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2009-07-14 13:33:40'' [[nbsp]] Dr. Sinclair recently saw my ferret. She's extremely knowledgeable and the best ferret vet that I've met. I was a little hesitant to try a ferret vet here as this page says that exotics are usually examined in a different room, but she did everything in the exam room while I was present. At the end of the day, when my very old ferret needed to be euthanized, she respected my wishes to be present for that as well. About a week later, I received a nice little plaque with my ferret's pawprints, as well as a sympathy card. I've worked in the veterinary field in the past and I'm very impressed with the little extras that this hospital pays attention to, especially with the high volume of clients that they have -- It would be easy to just render services and ring people up and call it a day. I'm very glad to have met Dr. Sinclair, and I highly recommend her as a ferret vet. --["Users/MichellePalmer"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2009-07-14 01:13:38CParker <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 22: </td> <td> Line 22: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> Small animal services cover most domestic pets such as ["cats"], ["dogs"], rats, ["birds"], etc. After hours visits start at $1<span>7</span>0 to walk in the door (exam fee only); dog spaying/neutering is $100 (except for giant breeds) and is done on Wednesday/Thursday with a Tuesday intake [August 2006]. If you bring in an exotic pet (i.e. not a cat or dog) it is general policy at the VMTH for the veterinarian to perform the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_exam physical exam] in a separate treatment area without the owner present. </td> <td> <span>+</span> Small animal services cover most domestic pets such as ["cats"], ["dogs"], rats, ["birds"], etc. After hours visits start at $1<span>2</span>0<span>&nbsp;for general emergencies (dogs and cats) and $190 for specialty services (exotics/birds, neurology, dentistry, ophthalmology, etc.)</span> to walk in the door (exam fee only); dog spaying/neutering is $100 (except for giant breeds) and is done on Wednesday/Thursday with a Tuesday intake [August 2006]. If you bring in an exotic pet (i.e. not a cat or dog) it is general policy at the VMTH for the veterinarian to perform the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_exam physical exam] in a separate treatment area without the owner present. </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2008-12-30 17:17:28MillerComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 91: </td> <td> Line 91: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2008-12-30 17:17:28'' [[nbsp]] I previously left a comment about Dr. Stockman that I look back upon and I think that I was a little harsh. When we had done everything that could be done for my sick lizard, and he had to be put down, I feel like he was much more sympathetic than previously. The staff even sent me a little plaque with my lizard's feetprints and all the doctor and tech condolences on it. Looking back upon the experience, I WOULD recommend Dr. Stockman, even though I spoke a little harshly about him before. This hospital is the best option for getting your pet the best care, although it is expensive. --["Users/Miller"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2008-12-11 09:01:49MillerComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 88: </td> <td> Line 88: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2008-12-11 09:01:49'' [[nbsp]] So, honestly, this hospital is very knowledgable about cats and dogs. When my regular doctor at the cat clinic was having trouble diagnosing my kitty, I took him here, and they figured it out within a day. Turns out he had a rare skin disease, and guess what? The treatment has been working great ever since and my cat is doing just great. And that makes me very happy because he is my best friend. If you want your cat or dog to have the most current treatments and the best care, then I think this hospital is a wonderful resource!<br> + HOWEVER, I have a blue-tongued skink (lizard), and he hadn't been doing so well for about a month, but I had had him for 7 years, and he had always been healthy and happy. Anyways, I took him in, and told the doctor what was going on, as well as the fact that I felt he had an infection, and the doctor offered x-rays and bloodwork, which is extremely expensive. All the while, he was NOT sympathetic. The exotic animal vet Dr. Stockman is knowledgeable I'm sure, but I felt like he was only concerned about the money he could milk me for, and not my pet. He also made me feel like it was my fault my lizard was sick, when I have been caring for reptiles my entire life! I know how to handle reptiles. Plus, when I showed indecision about whether or not x-rays were necessary, he was not very sympathetic at all. He could hardly even offer me a prognosis, which makes me mad because at least I'd want to know if it would be worthwhile to spend the money on the poor thing at all. I just felt like overall he didn't care about how I felt about my sick lizard or about how my sick lizard felt either. I would have asked for another doctor were it not for the fact that he is the specialist for exotic animals. I don't recommend his services unless it's absolutely necessary. --["Users/Miller"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2008-10-22 08:34:17CaryArnold <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 29: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + See a related article in [http://aug-2008.davislifemagazine.com/animal/pg1 Davis Life Magazine]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2008-09-04 21:06:12JasonAllerlink fixes <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 2: </td> <td> Line 2: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 38: </td> <td> Line 39: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + ''2005-11-05 21:26:14'' [[nbsp]] does field service mean they will come to you for vet needs? --["Users/MichelleAccurso"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 39: </td> <td> Line 42: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2005-11-05 21:26:14'' [[nbsp]] does field service mean they will come to you for vet needs? --["MichelleAccurso"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ''2005-11-06 09:25:49'' [[nbsp]] I'm hardly the authority, but I'd assume ''Field Service'' means if you have a cow or horse which is sick that they can come and see it without having to [http://www.forestpinesriding.com/Directions/pony%20in%20car.jpg] --["Users/SteveDavison"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 41: </td> <td> Line 44: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2005-11-06 09:25:49'' [[nbsp]] I'm hardly the authority, but I'd assume ''Field Service'' means if you have a cow or horse which is sick that they can come and see it without having to [http://www.forestpinesriding.com/Directions/pony%20in%20car.jpg] --["SteveDavison"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ''2005-11-06 11:06:36'' [[nbsp]] ha ha ha, i had to fix that link Steve, nice pocture, funny thing is my dog is about that size! --["Users/MichelleAccurso"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 43: </td> <td> Line 46: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2005-11-06 11:06:36'' [[nbsp]] ha ha ha, i had to fix that link Steve, nice pocture, funny thing is my dog is about that size! --["MichelleAccurso"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ''2005-12-06 09:12:31'' [[nbsp]] Yep, they have a Field Service. They're not very timely, though, as it took them almost an HOUR to drive across the street to the UC Davis Equestrian Center to help a horse with a broken leg... --["Users/StaceyGalbreath"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 45: </td> <td> Line 48: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2005-12-06 09:12:31'' [[nbsp]] Yep, they have a Field Service. They're not very timely, though, as it took them almost an HOUR to drive across the street to the UC Davis Equestrian Center to help a horse with a broken leg... --["StaceyGalbreath"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ''2005-12-09 04:31:13'' [[nbsp]] field service takes a while (especially if called on emergency) because they have to drive from their homes and the doctor and vet student have to meet up at the VMTH before heading over. They only see horses, no other livestock. --["Users/MegHobbs"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 47: </td> <td> Line 50: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2005-12-09 04:31:13'' [[nbsp]] field service takes a while (especially if called on emergency) because they have to drive from their homes and the doctor and vet student have to meet up at the VMTH before heading over. They only see horses, no other livestock. --["MegHobbs"]<br> - ------<br> -</span> ''2006-04-10 15:37:20'' [[nbsp]] I can't thank the vet hospital enough. When my cat was very sick, they not only took excellent care of him and fixed the problem, but also worked with us to keep costs low and arrange payment (we were college students at the time). The doctor was willing to explore alternative arrangements to using expensive diagnostic tools (scans, extensive bloodwork, etc) in lieu of effective but less expensive options. I could not have been more impressed, and though those were some scary times in the waiting room, the vets made sure we knew what was going on, and made sure all of our questions were answered. They were also REALLY sweet to the animals. He was so comfortable with them, he let them insert a catheter without needed to be sedated...and if you have EVER tried to do something that uncomfortable to a cat before, you know that isn't easy. I can't say enough how wonderful they were. --["AmandaCaudle"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2006-04-10 15:37:20'' [[nbsp]] I can't thank the vet hospital enough. When my cat was very sick, they not only took excellent care of him and fixed the problem, but also worked with us to keep costs low and arrange payment (we were college students at the time). The doctor was willing to explore alternative arrangements to using expensive diagnostic tools (scans, extensive bloodwork, etc) in lieu of effective but less expensive options. I could not have been more impressed, and though those were some scary times in the waiting room, the vets made sure we knew what was going on, and made sure all of our questions were answered. They were also REALLY sweet to the animals. He was so comfortable with them, he let them insert a catheter without needed to be sedated...and if you have EVER tried to do something that uncomfortable to a cat before, you know that isn't easy. I can't say enough how wonderful they were. --["<span>Users/</span>AmandaCaudle"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 53: </td> <td> Line 54: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> fifteen minutes later the assistant came back in and confessed that they couldn't tell them apart. i asked if she wanted me to come back and id them for her; she said "no, it's a little crazy back there." i said "crazy? you brought my guinea pigs into a "crazy" environment to do an exam on them?" she stiffly replied, "we know what we're doing." when i refused to help them unless i was present, she said she was going to go get the doctor. after ten more minutes i started roaming the halls looking for my guinea pigs-- as luck would have it they weren't far away, but i had to guess and knock. the intern wouldn't let me enter the room, but i could see that same girl who couldn't tell them apart, DOING THE EXAM, while dr. malka watched her! so she just went ahead and did the exam not being able to tell them apart. when i demanded they be returned to me, the doctor looked at me and said "oh, did you want to come in and watch?" i couldn't even believe it. luckily i was able to pull them out of there and get the fees waived, but i am avoiding this place from now on and i'd suggest you do the same. i've been to a lot of vet places but this was the scariest. --["AnsateJones"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> fifteen minutes later the assistant came back in and confessed that they couldn't tell them apart. i asked if she wanted me to come back and id them for her; she said "no, it's a little crazy back there." i said "crazy? you brought my guinea pigs into a "crazy" environment to do an exam on them?" she stiffly replied, "we know what we're doing." when i refused to help them unless i was present, she said she was going to go get the doctor. after ten more minutes i started roaming the halls looking for my guinea pigs-- as luck would have it they weren't far away, but i had to guess and knock. the intern wouldn't let me enter the room, but i could see that same girl who couldn't tell them apart, DOING THE EXAM, while dr. malka watched her! so she just went ahead and did the exam not being able to tell them apart. when i demanded they be returned to me, the doctor looked at me and said "oh, did you want to come in and watch?" i couldn't even believe it. luckily i was able to pull them out of there and get the fees waived, but i am avoiding this place from now on and i'd suggest you do the same. i've been to a lot of vet places but this was the scariest. --["<span>Users/</span>AnsateJones"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 55: </td> <td> Line 56: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * I'm surprised to hear such a negative experience. I've used the VMTH for a few emergencies and have always had as positive an experience as possible. I don't recall ever being told that I couldn't be present for the initial exam... it never even came into question! --["AlphaDog"]<br> <span>-</span> * Have you considered the fact that they may not have wanted you around because it sounds like you were ''freaking out?!'' Seriously, a lot of times owners are really upset and therefore not helpful and creating more stress for the doctors and animals. Who cares if they can tell them apart during the exam? They'll take their notes and add the names later. It really doesn't matter. And who did you think would do the exam? The sudent, duh, under clinician supervision. Its a teaching hospital, so what did you want them to do, not examine your pets? YOU should not have been wandering around the hospital anyway. Sound to me like you just needed to chill out and let them do their jobs, since they do know what they are doing. --["AllisonEriksen"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * I'm surprised to hear such a negative experience. I've used the VMTH for a few emergencies and have always had as positive an experience as possible. I don't recall ever being told that I couldn't be present for the initial exam... it never even came into question! --["<span>Users/</span>AlphaDog"]<br> <span>+</span> * Have you considered the fact that they may not have wanted you around because it sounds like you were ''freaking out?!'' Seriously, a lot of times owners are really upset and therefore not helpful and creating more stress for the doctors and animals. Who cares if they can tell them apart during the exam? They'll take their notes and add the names later. It really doesn't matter. And who did you think would do the exam? The sudent, duh, under clinician supervision. Its a teaching hospital, so what did you want them to do, not examine your pets? YOU should not have been wandering around the hospital anyway. Sound to me like you just needed to chill out and let them do their jobs, since they do know what they are doing. --["<span>Users/</span>AllisonEriksen"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 58: </td> <td> Line 59: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * I'll assume your irrational vehemence against someone with a valid complaint is due to the fact that you work there, Allison. Lo and behold! I was a vet tech for many years and have worked in quite a few hospitals and animal facilities. I'm not some ignorant rube. I wasn't even freaking out until they came back in, said they were having problems, then never came back and never told me where my animals WERE or if they had resolved any of the problems. I shouldn't have been wandering around the hospital because someone should have explained where I could go if I had an issue. You can't just sit concerned clients in a room after snatching their pets due to some unknown policy (that apparently even people that work there have no clue about!), and expect them to roll over and take it. That is crazy. Finally, I think it definitely matters which animal is which, especially in this case-- one of them had been recently sick and one of them wasn't. You think record snafus don't happen, especially if you have to wait until later to fill in names? You haven't been in the field long enough. Two months at Angell Boston was enough to teach me that. If you don't think it matters which animal is which, remind me to never take mine to you. --["AnsateJones"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * I'll assume your irrational vehemence against someone with a valid complaint is due to the fact that you work there, Allison. Lo and behold! I was a vet tech for many years and have worked in quite a few hospitals and animal facilities. I'm not some ignorant rube. I wasn't even freaking out until they came back in, said they were having problems, then never came back and never told me where my animals WERE or if they had resolved any of the problems. I shouldn't have been wandering around the hospital because someone should have explained where I could go if I had an issue. You can't just sit concerned clients in a room after snatching their pets due to some unknown policy (that apparently even people that work there have no clue about!), and expect them to roll over and take it. That is crazy. Finally, I think it definitely matters which animal is which, especially in this case-- one of them had been recently sick and one of them wasn't. You think record snafus don't happen, especially if you have to wait until later to fill in names? You haven't been in the field long enough. Two months at Angell Boston was enough to teach me that. If you don't think it matters which animal is which, remind me to never take mine to you. --["<span>Users/</span>AnsateJones"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 60: </td> <td> Line 61: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> *That's what bugs me the most, Allison. You keep coming back to "these are professionals who know what they are doing." Bull! Just because someone has a vet degree does not mean they are 100% competent, and it does not mean they are even adequately competent to treat or recommend treatment for every species. I tried to ask him what he was going to look for, because I know what he should look for, and he was intentionally vague. He said that he would look at the same stuff that he would look at for a dog or cat. Well geez, why have specialists at all then? I could just take them to the Cat Clinic! You cannot implicitly trust some stranger based on their degree. People goof. People don't know everything. You cannot assume that every vet you take your animals to is going to is going to be capable of making proper decisions, or even treating them correctly. The vibe I'm getting from you (and as an employee I'm sorry to say you are certainly a representative of the place) is that "owners are stupid, they don't know anything, they should just leave the poor vets alone, the vets know everything, they never make mistakes, and '''the owner-pet relationship is not important in the diagnostic procedure.''' " I have to say the last one is absolutely not true, and it saddens me that anyone would honestly believe it enough to be okay with someone being denied access to a physical, noninvasive exam. Not only that, but to be an absolute brat to a concerned owner. -["AnsateJones"]<br> <span>-</span> * For clarification, she didn't just leave for no reason and start knocking on doors -- after she waited in the room for a while for word of whether they resolved the couldn't-tell-the-pigs-apart problem, she called me for advice on her cell phone. I asked one of my co-workers who is a guinea pig enthusiast (and whose wife is a vet tech), and he was absolutely appauled by the situation and strongly recommended getting the guinea pigs out of the appointment ''immediately.'' I agreed and relayed the advice on to AnsateJones, and this is why she left the room to try to find out what was going on. --["PenguiN42"]<br> <span>-</span> * an update on the situation (I'm a co-owner of the pigs involved): I just spoke to a woman who spoke with AnsateJones yesterday, and she now says that there's no specific policy about not letting owners be present during exams, but the doctors do have discretion to decide whether or not they can be present. However, she also said that it was highly unusual that the owner would not only not be present, but would have been left in an empty exam room and denied the ability to even go back to reception to ask a question. She wasn't sure why the situation ended up like that, but was going to speak to the doctor to try to figure out what went on, and call me back later this afternoon. I should also add that at the time, there was no prior warning that the exam would be handled this way, the doctor claimed it ''was'' policy, and he offered no other explanation. This was at best a highly unprofessional, if not unethical, way of handling the situation. --["PenguiN42"]<br> <span>-</span> *The woman I talked to who is apparently an administrator told me it was policy. I asked her specifically, twice for clarification, and she said it was policy. I made no assumptions. I asked. I don't know why she is changing her story now, but I find the reaction here to my recounting of what happened to me quite rude and defensive. If what you're saying is true, then most people don't get my experience, so I don't really think you can say I'm overreacting, or that "most people don't do such-and-such." And I like how you mention that I must have seemed over-anxious to them... I was actually pretty relaxed until the vet recommended ASTROTURF, which goes against every fiber of my training and experience. I'm supposed to let him whisk away my babies after that? Give me a break! Not to mention that putting that spin on it tries to blame me for the entire situation when really it just makes the vet hospital look like they do some sort of hasty profiling of owners and then pick and choose who gets to actually be in the room with their animals during a routine exam. Gee, maybe it was because I had blue hair, maybe they just assumed I must be irresponsible! Sounds like a place I'd want to avoid. Your rationalizations don't make the situation smell any better. -["AnsateJones"]<br> <span>-</span> * Yeah, blue hair, that's it. --["grumpyoldgeek"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> *That's what bugs me the most, Allison. You keep coming back to "these are professionals who know what they are doing." Bull! Just because someone has a vet degree does not mean they are 100% competent, and it does not mean they are even adequately competent to treat or recommend treatment for every species. I tried to ask him what he was going to look for, because I know what he should look for, and he was intentionally vague. He said that he would look at the same stuff that he would look at for a dog or cat. Well geez, why have specialists at all then? I could just take them to the Cat Clinic! You cannot implicitly trust some stranger based on their degree. People goof. People don't know everything. You cannot assume that every vet you take your animals to is going to is going to be capable of making proper decisions, or even treating them correctly. The vibe I'm getting from you (and as an employee I'm sorry to say you are certainly a representative of the place) is that "owners are stupid, they don't know anything, they should just leave the poor vets alone, the vets know everything, they never make mistakes, and '''the owner-pet relationship is not important in the diagnostic procedure.''' " I have to say the last one is absolutely not true, and it saddens me that anyone would honestly believe it enough to be okay with someone being denied access to a physical, noninvasive exam. Not only that, but to be an absolute brat to a concerned owner. -["<span>Users/</span>AnsateJones"]<br> <span>+</span> * For clarification, she didn't just leave for no reason and start knocking on doors -- after she waited in the room for a while for word of whether they resolved the couldn't-tell-the-pigs-apart problem, she called me for advice on her cell phone. I asked one of my co-workers who is a guinea pig enthusiast (and whose wife is a vet tech), and he was absolutely appauled by the situation and strongly recommended getting the guinea pigs out of the appointment ''immediately.'' I agreed and relayed the advice on to AnsateJones, and this is why she left the room to try to find out what was going on. --["<span>Users/</span>PenguiN42"]<br> <span>+</span> * an update on the situation (I'm a co-owner of the pigs involved): I just spoke to a woman who spoke with AnsateJones yesterday, and she now says that there's no specific policy about not letting owners be present during exams, but the doctors do have discretion to decide whether or not they can be present. However, she also said that it was highly unusual that the owner would not only not be present, but would have been left in an empty exam room and denied the ability to even go back to reception to ask a question. She wasn't sure why the situation ended up like that, but was going to speak to the doctor to try to figure out what went on, and call me back later this afternoon. I should also add that at the time, there was no prior warning that the exam would be handled this way, the doctor claimed it ''was'' policy, and he offered no other explanation. This was at best a highly unprofessional, if not unethical, way of handling the situation. --["<span>Users/</span>PenguiN42"]<br> <span>+</span> *The woman I talked to who is apparently an administrator told me it was policy. I asked her specifically, twice for clarification, and she said it was policy. I made no assumptions. I asked. I don't know why she is changing her story now, but I find the reaction here to my recounting of what happened to me quite rude and defensive. If what you're saying is true, then most people don't get my experience, so I don't really think you can say I'm overreacting, or that "most people don't do such-and-such." And I like how you mention that I must have seemed over-anxious to them... I was actually pretty relaxed until the vet recommended ASTROTURF, which goes against every fiber of my training and experience. I'm supposed to let him whisk away my babies after that? Give me a break! Not to mention that putting that spin on it tries to blame me for the entire situation when really it just makes the vet hospital look like they do some sort of hasty profiling of owners and then pick and choose who gets to actually be in the room with their animals during a routine exam. Gee, maybe it was because I had blue hair, maybe they just assumed I must be irresponsible! Sounds like a place I'd want to avoid. Your rationalizations don't make the situation smell any better. -["<span>Users/</span>AnsateJones"]<br> <span>+</span> * Yeah, blue hair, that's it. --["<span>Users/</span>grumpyoldgeek"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 68: </td> <td> Line 69: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2006-08-23 18:28:38'' [[nbsp]] followup: i have talked with dr. hawkins, who runs the exotics division, and she said it was general policy. i am reverting the wiki. you can call her if you like, but she is so rude and dismissive she brought me to tears, and from what i can tell she does not give a damn about your experience at vmth or the misbehavior of the veterinarians. good luck if you ever have a problem here, but don't say i didn't warn you. --["AnsateJones"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2006-08-23 18:28:38'' [[nbsp]] followup: i have talked with dr. hawkins, who runs the exotics division, and she said it was general policy. i am reverting the wiki. you can call her if you like, but she is so rude and dismissive she brought me to tears, and from what i can tell she does not give a damn about your experience at vmth or the misbehavior of the veterinarians. good luck if you ever have a problem here, but don't say i didn't warn you. --["<span>Users/</span>AnsateJones"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 71: </td> <td> Line 72: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> --["DennisBallance"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> --["<span>Users/</span>DennisBallance"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 73: </td> <td> Line 74: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2007-01-24 22:15:05'' [[nbsp]] I would like to comment that I understand that the person seeing Dr. Malka felt they were not well treated but I think this posting does a disservice to the Small Animal Clinic to leave the posting with countering that Dr. Malka treated me very well and respectfully during the recent visit with our family pet. I am not a member of the hospital nor had I ever met the Dr. before today. It is legitmate to complain about lack of communication during a visit but I wanted everyone to know I did not mind the exam occuring without my presence and the Dr. appeared to be very helpful and respectful in his discussions of the exam results. Thanks. --["LynnePaulson"]<span><br> - ------</span> </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2007-01-24 22:15:05'' [[nbsp]] I would like to comment that I understand that the person seeing Dr. Malka felt they were not well treated but I think this posting does a disservice to the Small Animal Clinic to leave the posting with countering that Dr. Malka treated me very well and respectfully during the recent visit with our family pet. I am not a member of the hospital nor had I ever met the Dr. before today. It is legitmate to complain about lack of communication during a visit but I wanted everyone to know I did not mind the exam occuring without my presence and the Dr. appeared to be very helpful and respectful in his discussions of the exam results. Thanks. --["<span>Users/</span>LynnePaulson"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 79: </td> <td> Line 79: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * Actually, if I recall correctly, it's paid for in advance (part of their tuition). If they don't use it, they get the money back at the end of the year. If you do use it up and then even acrue extra in bills, they will hound you to pay up or they will actually threaten to delay you getting your degree. A lot of vet students are hunted down in May/June. &gt;.&gt; -["Edwins" ES] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * Actually, if I recall correctly, it's paid for in advance (part of their tuition). If they don't use it, they get the money back at the end of the year. If you do use it up and then even acrue extra in bills, they will hound you to pay up or they will actually threaten to delay you getting your degree. A lot of vet students are hunted down in May/June. &gt;.&gt; -["<span>Users/</span>Edwins" ES] </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2008-04-14 16:04:50patrick82Comment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 84: </td> <td> Line 84: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2008-04-14 17:04:50'' [[nbsp]] The bad comments probably come from emotional people. Just like the towing companies on here. Of course no one will put anything good...they tow your car. And theres nothing wrong with being emotional about it. I would be too. But sometimes its hard for any employee anywhere to get along or get through to an overly emotional person in a rational way. I've been there several times and had perfectly acceptable experiences. Go Chrissy! --["Users/patrick82"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2008-02-03 16:40:59KatHaComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 82: </td> <td> Line 82: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2008-02-03 16:40:59'' [[nbsp]] The stipend is not included as part of the vet student's tuition (by the way the student loans for the 4 years is way over $100,000.00 - close to $150k). The discount is just that - a discount. After the discounts have met a certain amount, you just don't get the discount anymore until the following year. I hope that more people will put positive things on here about their visits to the VMTH with their animals. It is a very busy place, but you do have all the experts in the field working together for you. --["Users/KatHa"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2008-01-02 09:51:15jgloviczComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 80: </td> <td> Line 80: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2008-01-02 09:51:15'' [[nbsp]] I used VMTH field services when I first got to Davis (from New England). Both of my horses had an allergic reaction and their eyes swelled shut. Dr. Sharon Spier and two students came out to treat my horses. I called in an "emergency" (I didn't make an appointment ahead of time) and they showed up in about an hour to an hour and a half (I though it seemed reasonable). They were wonderful. Very caring and informative! I also ended up taking one of my horses to the clinic because he had an indolent corneal ulcer. My only complaint was that to make an appointment with opthalmology, I had to wait at least 1-2 weeks! I met with Dr. Eaton one two occasions. He was very professional and informative. Overall, my experiences with UC Davis have been wonderful! Highly recommended! --["Users/jglovicz"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2007-12-14 23:06:08JabberWokky <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ||'''Emergency Service is available 24-7'''|| </td> <td> <span>+</span> ||<span>&lt;#ffcccc&gt;</span>'''Emergency Service is available 24-7'''|| </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2007-12-14 22:47:26EdWinsreally, biggest thing is the 24/7 emergency. working that shift sucks. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ||'''Emergency Service<span>'''</span> is available 24-7|| </td> <td> <span>+</span> ||'''Emergency Service is available 24-7<span>'''</span>|| </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2007-12-14 22:46:56EdWinsbump. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 6: </td> <td> Line 6: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ||'''Emergency Service''' is available 24-7||</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 9: </td> <td> Line 10: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ||'''Emergency Service''' is available 24-7||</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2007-12-14 22:09:13CovertProfessorlink to map and info about parking <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 3: </td> <td> Line 3: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ||UC Davis Vet Med campus (between West Health Science Drive &amp; La Rue Rd.)|| </td> <td> <span>+</span> ||<span>[http://www.cevs.ucdavis.edu/map/map_detail.cfm?assetInfo=187 </span>UC Davis Vet Med campus<span>]</span> (between West Health Science Drive &amp; La Rue Rd.)||<span><br> + ||Closest parking is in Visitor Parking Lot 50||</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2007-12-14 21:00:00JasonAllerDo we need a page rename, redirect, or something? -&gt; William R. Pritchard <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 23: </td> <td> Line 23: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ <br> + [[Image(Pritchard_Sign.JPG, right, thumbnail, 400)]]<br> + </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 25: </td> <td> Line 28: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 27: </td> <td> Line 29: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2007-12-14 20:58:33JasonAllerUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital?action=Files&do=view&target=Pritchard_Sign.JPG">Pritchard_Sign.JPG</a>.http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2007-08-19 22:46:39PhilipNeustrom <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 78: </td> <td> Line 78: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> * Actually, i<span>irc</span>, it's paid for in advance (part of their tuition). If they don't use it, they get the money back at the end of the year. If you do use it up and then even acrue extra in bills, they will hound you to pay up or they will actually threaten to delay you getting your degree. A lot of vet students are hunted down in May/June. &gt;.&gt; -["Edwins" ES] </td> <td> <span>+</span> * Actually, i<span>f I recall correctly</span>, it's paid for in advance (part of their tuition). If they don't use it, they get the money back at the end of the year. If you do use it up and then even acrue extra in bills, they will hound you to pay up or they will actually threaten to delay you getting your degree. A lot of vet students are hunted down in May/June. &gt;.&gt; -["Edwins" ES] </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2007-08-19 22:45:53EdWins <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 78: </td> <td> Line 78: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ * Actually, iirc, it's paid for in advance (part of their tuition). If they don't use it, they get the money back at the end of the year. If you do use it up and then even acrue extra in bills, they will hound you to pay up or they will actually threaten to delay you getting your degree. A lot of vet students are hunted down in May/June. &gt;.&gt; -["Edwins" ES]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2007-08-19 21:23:11atwongComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 76: </td> <td> Line 76: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-08-19 22:23:11'' [[nbsp]] Vet students, remember that you get a stipend each year. Use it! --["Users/atwong"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2007-05-29 20:59:52DavisGirlComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 74: </td> <td> Line 74: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-05-29 21:59:52'' [[nbsp]] I have had many visits to VetMed and while it is not the full service type place you might find in the private practice, I have had the best care of my pets imaginable. I am an experienced pet lover and have seen that my animals were in good care at the hospital. They are teaching and they don't necessarily all have great bedside manners. They also might scare you with the costs and suggest going somewhere cheaper. If you can swing it, just pay the money. It is well worth the price because your pet will come out well cared for and happy. My cat is never freaked out there; I hear that they keep the dogs and cats seperate which is sure to be a help, but also these are people who really, really LOVE animals. Like me, that doesn't mean they are very friendly to people, but see how they interact with your animal. Isn't that the client anyway? --["Users/DavisGirl"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2007-05-24 19:55:40WilliamLewis(quick edit) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 26: </td> <td> Line 26: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> *[http://www.questionpoint.org/crs/servlet/org.oclc.home.TFSRedirect?Virtcategory=10975 Ask Now] is a service from the Health Sciences Libraries of UC Davis. We can help you locate print and electronic information about human and animal health. '''''This service is free!''''' </td> <td> <span>+ </span> *<span>&nbsp;</span>[http://www.questionpoint.org/crs/servlet/org.oclc.home.TFSRedirect?Virtcategory=10975 Ask Now] is a service from the Health Sciences Libraries of UC Davis. 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'''''This service is free!''''' </td> <td> <span>+</span> *[http://<span>www.questionpoint.org/crs/servlet/org.oclc.home.TFSRe</span>d<span>irect?Virtcategory=10975</span> Ask Now] is a service from the Health Sciences Libraries of UC Davis. We can help you locate print and electronic information about human and animal health. '''''This service is free!''''' </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2007-03-18 23:48:14LeslieCooper <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 74: </td> <td> Line 74: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2007-03-19 00:27:44'' [[nbsp]] The statement in the intro to this page about the physical exam policy for exotics is not entirely correct. The standard appointment goes like this: student takes the history with the owner, then the vet comes in and does an initial physical exam in front of the owner (if the animal is stable enough). Then a more in-depth exam is done in the treatment room by the student (under the vet's supervision, and away from the owner). If the animal is not stable, or too stressy (many exotics fall into this category), or something along those lines, the exam in front of the owner will be skipped, and the entire exam will be done in the treatment room by the doctor and student together. This is in the best interest of the patient because it minimizes handling. It is of course, at the doctor's discretion. And no, owners are generally not allowed in the treatment room (as is the case in pretty much any practice, regardless of species). I don't know if this is "official policy", but that's how it tends to go. --["LeslieCooper"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2007-03-18 23:39:29LeslieCooper <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 74: </td> <td> Line 74: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2007-03-19 00:27:44'' [[nbsp]] The statement in the intro to this page about the physical exam policy for exotics is not entirely correct. The standard appointment goes like this: student takes the history with the owner, then the vet comes in and does an initial physical exam in front of the owner (if the animal is stable enough). Then a more in-depth exam is done in the treatment room by the student (away from the owner). If the animal is not stable, or too stressy (many exotics fall into this category), or something along those lines, the exam in front of the owner will be skipped, and the entire exam will be done in the treatment room by the doctor and student together. This is in the best interest of the patient because it minimizes handling. It is of course, at the doctor's discretion. And no, owners are generally not allowed in the treatment room (as is the case in pretty much any practice, regardless of species). I don't know if this is "official policy", but that's how it tends to go. --["LeslieCooper"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2007-03-19 00:27:44'' [[nbsp]] The statement in the intro to this page about the physical exam policy for exotics is not entirely correct. The standard appointment goes like this: student takes the history with the owner, then the vet comes in and does an initial physical exam in front of the owner (if the animal is stable enough). Then a more in-depth exam is done in the treatment room by the student (<span>under the vet's supervision, and </span>away from the owner). If the animal is not stable, or too stressy (many exotics fall into this category), or something along those lines, the exam in front of the owner will be skipped, and the entire exam will be done in the treatment room by the doctor and student together. This is in the best interest of the patient because it minimizes handling. It is of course, at the doctor's discretion. And no, owners are generally not allowed in the treatment room (as is the case in pretty much any practice, regardless of species). I don't know if this is "official policy", but that's how it tends to go. --["LeslieCooper"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2007-03-18 23:37:59LeslieCooper <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 74: </td> <td> Line 74: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2007-03-19 00:27:44'' [[nbsp]] The statement in the intro to this page about the physical exam policy for exotics is not entirely correct. The standard appointment goes like this: student takes the history with the owner, then the vet comes in and does an initial physical exam in front of the owner (if the animal is stable enough). Then a more in-depth exam is done in the treatment room by the student. If the animal is not stable, or too stressy (many exotics fall into this category), or something along those lines, the exam in front of the owner will be skipped, and the entire exam will be done in the treatment room by the doctor and student together. This is in the best interest of the patient<span>'s</span> because it minimizes handling. It is of course, at the doctor's discretion. And no, owners are generally not allowed in the treatment room (as is the case in pretty much any practice, regardless of species). I don't know if this is "official policy", but that's how it tends to go. --["LeslieCooper"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2007-03-19 00:27:44'' [[nbsp]] The statement in the intro to this page about the physical exam policy for exotics is not entirely correct. The standard appointment goes like this: student takes the history with the owner, then the vet comes in and does an initial physical exam in front of the owner (if the animal is stable enough). Then a more in-depth exam is done in the treatment room by the student<span>&nbsp;(away from the owner)</span>. If the animal is not stable, or too stressy (many exotics fall into this category), or something along those lines, the exam in front of the owner will be skipped, and the entire exam will be done in the treatment room by the doctor and student together. This is in the best interest of the patient because it minimizes handling. It is of course, at the doctor's discretion. And no, owners are generally not allowed in the treatment room (as is the case in pretty much any practice, regardless of species). I don't know if this is "official policy", but that's how it tends to go. --["LeslieCooper"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2007-03-18 23:36:21LeslieCooper <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 74: </td> <td> Line 74: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2007-03-19 00:27:44'' [[nbsp]] <span>Act</span>u<span>ally</span>, the<span>&nbsp;statement in the intro to this page about the</span> physical exam <span>policy for exotics is not entirely correct. The standard appointment goes like this: student takes the history </span>w<span>ith the owner, then the vet comes in and does an initial physical exam</span> (if the animal is stable enough). Then a more in-depth exam is done in the treatment room by the student. If the animal is not stable, or too stressy (m<span>ost</span> exotics fall into this category), or something along those lines, the e<span>ntire e</span>xam will be <span>done in the treatment room</span> b<span>y</span> b<span>oth the doctor and the</span> student. This is in the best interest of the patient's because it minimizes handling. And no, owners are generally not allowed in the treatment room (as is the case in pretty much any practice, regardless of species). --["LeslieCooper"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2007-03-19 00:27:44'' [[nbsp]] <span>The statement in the intro to this page abo</span>u<span>t the physical exam policy for exotics is not entirely correct. The standard appointment goes like this: student takes the history with the owner</span>, the<span>n the vet comes in and does an initial</span> physical exam <span>in front of the o</span>w<span>ner</span> (if the animal is stable enough). Then a more in-depth exam is done in the treatment room by the student. If the animal is not stable, or too stressy (m<span>any</span> exotics fall into this category), or something along those lines, the exam <span>in front of the o</span>w<span>ner w</span>ill be <span>skipped, and the entire exam will</span> b<span>e done in the treatment room</span> b<span>y the doctor and</span> student<span>&nbsp;together</span>. This is in the best interest of the patient's because it minimizes handling. <span>It is of course, at the doctor's discretion. </span>And no, owners are generally not allowed in the treatment room (as is the case in pretty much any practice, regardless of species).<span>&nbsp;I don't know if this is "official policy", but that's how it tends to go. </span> --["LeslieCooper"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2007-03-18 23:27:44LeslieCooperComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 73: </td> <td> Line 73: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-03-19 00:27:44'' [[nbsp]] Actually, the statement in the intro to this page about the physical exam policy for exotics is not entirely correct. The standard appointment goes like this: student takes the history with the owner, then the vet comes in and does an initial physical exam (if the animal is stable enough). Then a more in-depth exam is done in the treatment room by the student. If the animal is not stable, or too stressy (most exotics fall into this category), or something along those lines, the entire exam will be done in the treatment room by both the doctor and the student. This is in the best interest of the patient's because it minimizes handling. And no, owners are generally not allowed in the treatment room (as is the case in pretty much any practice, regardless of species). --["LeslieCooper"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2007-03-18 23:08:35LeslieCooper <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 73: </td> <td> Line 73: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ------<br> - ''2007-03-19 00:03:33'' [[nbsp]] Regarding the above complaint with the guinea pigs: the standard procedure in the exotics division is to have the student go in and take a history, then the doctor comes in to do an initial exam (in front of the client). Then a more in-depth exam is done by the student back in the treatment room (without the client). No, it's not like a typical private practice because it is a teaching hospital, and with that comes a lot of plusses and minuses (depending on your needs). As for the astro-turf, I suspect Dr. Malka was trying to sway you away from shavings, which are NOT ideal bedding for a guinea pig because they're a wonderful place for bacteria and fungi to grow. So astroturf actually is a good suggestion. --["LeslieCooper"]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2007-03-18 23:05:34LeslieCooper <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 74: </td> <td> Line 74: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ''2007-03-19 00:03:33'' [[nbsp]] Regarding the above complaint with the guinea pigs: the procedure in the exotics division is to have the student go in and take a history, then the doctor comes in to do an initial exam (in front of the client). Then a more in-depth exam is done by the student back in the treatment room (without the client). No, it's not like a typical private practice because it is a teaching hospital. As for the astro-turf, I suspect Dr. Malka was trying to sway you away from shavings, which are NOT ideal bedding for a guinea pig <span>(it</span>'<span>s</span> a wonderful place for bacteria and fungi to grow<span>), s</span>o astroturf actually is a good suggestion. --["LeslieCooper"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> ''2007-03-19 00:03:33'' [[nbsp]] Regarding the above complaint with the guinea pigs: the <span>standard </span>procedure in the exotics division is to have the student go in and take a history, then the doctor comes in to do an initial exam (in front of the client). Then a more in-depth exam is done by the student back in the treatment room (without the client). No, it's not like a typical private practice because it is a teaching hospital<span>, and with that comes a lot of plusses and minuses (depending on your needs)</span>. As for the astro-turf, I suspect Dr. Malka was trying to sway you away from shavings, which are NOT ideal bedding for a guinea pig <span>because they</span>'<span>re</span> a wonderful place for bacteria and fungi to grow<span>. S</span>o astroturf actually is a good suggestion. --["LeslieCooper"] </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2007-03-18 23:03:33LeslieCooperComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 73: </td> <td> Line 73: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-03-19 00:03:33'' [[nbsp]] Regarding the above complaint with the guinea pigs: the procedure in the exotics division is to have the student go in and take a history, then the doctor comes in to do an initial exam (in front of the client). Then a more in-depth exam is done by the student back in the treatment room (without the client). No, it's not like a typical private practice because it is a teaching hospital. As for the astro-turf, I suspect Dr. Malka was trying to sway you away from shavings, which are NOT ideal bedding for a guinea pig (it's a wonderful place for bacteria and fungi to grow), so astroturf actually is a good suggestion. --["LeslieCooper"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2007-01-24 22:15:05LynnePaulsonComment added. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 71: </td> <td> Line 71: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ------<br> + ''2007-01-24 22:15:05'' [[nbsp]] I would like to comment that I understand that the person seeing Dr. Malka felt they were not well treated but I think this posting does a disservice to the Small Animal Clinic to leave the posting with countering that Dr. Malka treated me very well and respectfully during the recent visit with our family pet. I am not a member of the hospital nor had I ever met the Dr. before today. It is legitmate to complain about lack of communication during a visit but I wanted everyone to know I did not mind the exam occuring without my presence and the Dr. appeared to be very helpful and respectful in his discussions of the exam results. Thanks. --["LynnePaulson"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2006-11-29 14:13:31EdwinSaadamessy. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 38: </td> <td> Line 38: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ''2005-05-13 11:15:09'' [[nbsp]] There's a whole host of exotic animals here. I saw on the Vet School page something about kidney transplants. Anything you can do at a real hospital, we do here. Dialysis, transplants, chemotherapy, etc. There's a tri-state emergency helicopter service that brings animals in. People send some animals from overseas. So much more. Like tons of zoos send their animals exclusively to here. We had a red panda from the San Diego Zoo a whle ago, so cute. I'll really add a lotta info to this page later. --["EdwinSaada" edwub]<br> - ------</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 47: </td> <td> Line 45: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 52: </td> <td> Line 49: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- <br> - </span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 65: </td> <td> Line 60: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * A complaint is valid, but your assumption is incorrect. I'll admit I don't know too much about the workings for CCAH/CAPE, but that is not standard procedure for the other clinics and the main building, for dogs, cats, etc. Obviously certain treatments will be, but likely the same everywhere else, but owners go in with the exams (except perhaps a couple emergency surgical exams), and as someone above commented here, they are kept up to date on everything when not in. Perhaps in the other building, due to the smaller more unique animals, they might not let people come in - which I doubt really, I'll ask later to verify. Especially as it seems Alphadog was always able do, and iirc he had a mouse or some other such animal not in the normal small animal clinic but in the other building as you went. But I do agree with Allison on one point - it does sound like you were overreacting. Most people don't leave and start knocking on doors. Perhaps you were displaying overt anxienty or something similar prior to the exam to give the doctor reason to not ask you to come? Sometimes the owners are stressed or duressed and I could see why someone would be hesistant to have you over, without giving them a chance to first take a look at the animals. Even if this were the case, as I said in the comment log, it's an extreme aberation, and still not standard policy. I can assure you that's not what happens to 99.99999% of everyone else. -["EdwinSaada" ES]<br> - * (comment edited after ES updated his) For clarification, she didn't just leave for no reason and start knocking on doors -- after she waited in the room for a while for word of whether they resolved the couldn't-tell-the-pigs-apart problem, she called me for advice on her cell phone. I asked one of my co-workers who is a guinea pig enthusiast (and whose wife is a vet tech), and he was absolutely appauled by the situation and strongly recommended getting the guinea pigs out of the appointment ''immediately.'' I agreed and relayed the advice on to AnsateJones, and this is why she left the room to try to find out what was going on. --["PenguiN42"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ * For clarification, she didn't just leave for no reason and start knocking on doors -- after she waited in the room for a while for word of whether they resolved the couldn't-tell-the-pigs-apart problem, she called me for advice on her cell phone. I asked one of my co-workers who is a guinea pig enthusiast (and whose wife is a vet tech), and he was absolutely appauled by the situation and strongly recommended getting the guinea pigs out of the appointment ''immediately.'' I agreed and relayed the advice on to AnsateJones, and this is why she left the room to try to find out what was going on. --["PenguiN42"]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 68: </td> <td> Line 62: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> *<span>&nbsp;Which is exactly what I was saying. It is *not* policy (which was the assumption I said Ansante made, and I consequently deleted from the page), and if it happened as it wrote, it's an extreme abberation from what is normal. My syntax above was bad, and is now edited to what I meant (obviously it couldnt have been about something that didnt happen yet). -["EdwinSaada" ES]<br> - <br> - * Edwin, t</span>he woman I talked to who is apparently an administrator told me it was policy. I asked her specifically, twice for clarification, and she said it was policy. I made no assumptions. I asked. I don't know why she is changing her story now, but I find the reaction here to my recounting of what happened to me quite rude and defensive. If what you're saying is true, then most people don't get my experience, so I don't really think you can say I'm overreacting, or that "most people don't do such-and-such." And I like how you mention that I must have seemed over-anxious to them... I was actually pretty relaxed until the vet recommended ASTROTURF, which goes against every fiber of my training and experience. I'm supposed to let him whisk away my babies after that? Give me a break! Not to mention that putting that spin on it tries to blame me for the entire situation when really it just makes the vet hospital look like they do some sort of hasty profiling of owners and then pick and choose who gets to actually be in the room with their animals during a routine exam. Gee, maybe it was because I had blue hair, maybe they just assumed I must be irresponsible! Sounds like a place I'd want to avoid. Your rationalizations don't make the situation smell any better. -["AnsateJones"] </td> <td> <span>+</span> *<span>T</span>he woman I talked to who is apparently an administrator told me it was policy. I asked her specifically, twice for clarification, and she said it was policy. I made no assumptions. I asked. I don't know why she is changing her story now, but I find the reaction here to my recounting of what happened to me quite rude and defensive. If what you're saying is true, then most people don't get my experience, so I don't really think you can say I'm overreacting, or that "most people don't do such-and-such." And I like how you mention that I must have seemed over-anxious to them... I was actually pretty relaxed until the vet recommended ASTROTURF, which goes against every fiber of my training and experience. I'm supposed to let him whisk away my babies after that? Give me a break! Not to mention that putting that spin on it tries to blame me for the entire situation when really it just makes the vet hospital look like they do some sort of hasty profiling of owners and then pick and choose who gets to actually be in the room with their animals during a routine exam. Gee, maybe it was because I had blue hair, maybe they just assumed I must be irresponsible! Sounds like a place I'd want to avoid. Your rationalizations don't make the situation smell any better. -["AnsateJones"] </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 74: </td> <td> Line 66: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * That would probably be Sam, he's a real cool guy. He's the neurotech. His hair isn't always rainbow colored. Sometimes its just blue or orange or something. -["EdwinSaada" ES]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 77: </td> <td> Line 68: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- * I was wondering if that might be the policy for exotics. I knew it definitely wasn't for the "normal" animals. As it is, that's still a crap experience and I still want you to know I've never heard or seen anything like that and I spent two years working front desk, though at small animal clinic. But I did afterhours and Saturdays, so I helped people from every department. I know of Dr. Hawkins, but I don't really know how exotics/ccah/cape fit into the [http://vmth.ucdavis.edu/vmth/admin/admin.html admin] structure. If you're still frustrated or want some decent closure, I'd try to contact someone else (maybe on the list I linked) and let them know how you feel.<br> - On the other side, the VMTH has given amazing care to each and every animal I've seen and I've literally been with, spoken with, and billed several thousands of clients. I have had clients so happy over their pets that they send everyone gifts - not just the doctors or the students, but even the receptionists and billing people who keep them company or wish them well. We have binders of cards and photos people send in, tons of letters coming regularly, and a whole ton of happy people. I've formed more than a few friendships with many clients, and we end up talking about school/work, our personal lives, etc. If anything is truely wrong with a pet, the VMTH is the place to go. Surgerys, cancers, behavioral or neurological problems, dentistry, skin conditions, etc. Animals from all around the state, including zoos, and sometimes around the country (and even overseas), are sent for some of the finest and best procedures and equipment available. I'd encourage you to come back if you have other pets, or just to see and talk to other clients, especially in small animal. It sucks that your experience sucks, but despite working there, it's ''not'' loyalty but admiration that made me post. I saw some amazing things, and I never have been in an exam room once. Spend a few hours a week in a waiting room for the highest of highs and some heart-breaking downs of emotions. Anyway, once you read this, please feel free to delete this (especially if you plan to call) and probably most of the discussion above.-["EdwinSaada" ES]</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2006-10-19 18:16:30JasonAllerthier -&gt; their <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 78: </td> <td> Line 78: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> On the other side, the VMTH has given amazing care to each and every animal I've seen and I've literally been with, spoken with, and billed several thousands of clients. I have had clients so happy over th<span>ie</span>r pets that they send everyone gifts - not just the doctors or the students, but even the receptionists and billing people who keep them company or wish them well. We have binders of cards and photos people send in, tons of letters coming regularly, and a whole ton of happy people. I've formed more than a few friendships with many clients, and we end up talking about school/work, our personal lives, etc. If anything is truely wrong with a pet, the VMTH is the place to go. Surgerys, cancers, behavioral or neurological problems, dentistry, skin conditions, etc. Animals from all around the state, including zoos, and sometimes around the country (and even overseas), are sent for some of the finest and best procedures and equipment available. I'd encourage you to come back if you have other pets, or just to see and talk to other clients, especially in small animal. It sucks that your experience sucks, but despite working there, it's ''not'' loyalty but admiration that made me post. I saw some amazing things, and I never have been in an exam room once. Spend a few hours a week in a waiting room for the highest of highs and some heart-breaking downs of emotions. Anyway, once you read this, please feel free to delete this (especially if you plan to call) and probably most of the discussion above.-["EdwinSaada" ES] </td> <td> <span>+</span> On the other side, the VMTH has given amazing care to each and every animal I've seen and I've literally been with, spoken with, and billed several thousands of clients. I have had clients so happy over th<span>ei</span>r pets that they send everyone gifts - not just the doctors or the students, but even the receptionists and billing people who keep them company or wish them well. We have binders of cards and photos people send in, tons of letters coming regularly, and a whole ton of happy people. I've formed more than a few friendships with many clients, and we end up talking about school/work, our personal lives, etc. If anything is truely wrong with a pet, the VMTH is the place to go. Surgerys, cancers, behavioral or neurological problems, dentistry, skin conditions, etc. Animals from all around the state, including zoos, and sometimes around the country (and even overseas), are sent for some of the finest and best procedures and equipment available. I'd encourage you to come back if you have other pets, or just to see and talk to other clients, especially in small animal. It sucks that your experience sucks, but despite working there, it's ''not'' loyalty but admiration that made me post. I saw some amazing things, and I never have been in an exam room once. Spend a few hours a week in a waiting room for the highest of highs and some heart-breaking downs of emotions. Anyway, once you read this, please feel free to delete this (especially if you plan to call) and probably most of the discussion above.-["EdwinSaada" ES] </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2006-10-18 15:43:59AlphaDog+LART <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ [[Image(onc.jpg, "The new Oncology/Genetics Center", thumbnail, right, 360)]]</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 14: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ||[http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/]|| </td> <td> <span>+</span> ||[http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/<span>&nbsp;vmth.ucdavis.edu</span>]|| </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 15: </td> <td> Line 16: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- [[Image(vmth.jpg, "Patient entrance to VMTH (Small Animal side)", thumbnail)]] [[Image(onc.jpg, "The new Oncology/Genetics Center", thumbnail)]]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ '''The Vet Med Teaching Hospital''' is a [http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/resserv.cfm research facility] and shares ["UC Davis"]' mission of public service to the State of California. The hospital offers a full range of services whether your creature is great or small, large or exotic, and they're essentially open 24hrs/day, 365 days a year [appointments during regular hours preferred]. As a teaching hospital, many procedures may be performed by veterinary students under the supervision of a licensed veterinarian. Oftentimes, a private practice vet will refer clients to the VMTH for a second opinion or more in-depth treatment. This is also the only place on campus where you can see ["lamas"]!</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 17: </td> <td> Line 18: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- UC Davis' Vet Med Teaching Hospital offers a full range of services whether your pet is small, large, or exotic, and they're essentially open 24hrs/day, 365 days a year [appointments during regular hours preferred]. As a teaching hospital, many procedures may be performed by veterinary students under the supervision of a licensed veterinarian. Field service is available for horses, but no other livestock. This is also the only place on campus where you can see ["lamas"]! Oftentimes, a private practice vet will refer clients to the VMTH for a second opinion or more in-depth treatment. Emergency after hours visits start at $170 to walk in the door (exam fee only); dog spaying/neutering is $100 (except for giant breeds) [August 2006].</span> </td> <td> <span>+ = Small Animals =<br> + [[Image(vmth.jpg, "Patient entrance to VMTH (Small Animal side)", thumbnail, right)]]<br> + Small animal services cover most domestic pets such as ["cats"], ["dogs"], rats, ["birds"], etc. After hours visits start at $170 to walk in the door (exam fee only); dog spaying/neutering is $100 (except for giant breeds) and is done on Wednesday/Thursday with a Tuesday intake [August 2006]. If you bring in an exotic pet (i.e. not a cat or dog) it is general policy at the VMTH for the veterinarian to perform the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_exam physical exam] in a separate treatment area without the owner present.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 19: </td> <td> Line 22: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- If you bring in an exotic pet (i.e. not a cat or dog) it is general policy at the VMTH for the veterinarian to perform the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_exam physical exam] in a separate treatment area without the owner present.</span> </td> <td> <span>+ = Large Animals =<br> + Large animals services cover sea lions, tigers, bears and livestock. Field service is available for horses, but no other livestock. The VMTH operates a volunteer [http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/home/VERT/LART/index.html large animal rescue team] composed of hospital faculty, staff and residents. Scenarios in which the LART may be called include air evacuation, overturned trailer extrications and trapped/stranded animals.</span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 21: </td> <td> Line 25: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- The Vet Med Teaching Hospital is also a [http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/resserv.cfm research facility] and shares ["UC Davis"]' mission of public service to the state of California.</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2006-10-15 19:09:46EdwinSaadachanging website to the general site, not client info. <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 13: </td> <td> Line 13: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>-</span> ||[http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/<span>vmth/clientinfo/general.html</span>]|| </td> <td> <span>+</span> ||[http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/]|| </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2006-10-15 19:07:46EdwinSaadaRevert to version 1 (it's medical, not medicine. http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/). <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- #redirect Veterinary Medicine Teaching Hospital</span> </td> <td> <span>+ ||&lt;bgcolor='#E0E0FF'&gt;'''Location'''||<br> + ||UC Davis Vet Med campus (between West Health Science Drive &amp; La Rue Rd.)||<br> + ||&lt;bgcolor='#E0E0FF'&gt;'''Hours'''||<br> + ||'''Small Animal Clinic''': Mon-Fri 8am-noon, 1pm-5pm||<br> + ||'''Large Animal Clinic''': Mon-Fri 8am-5pm||<br> + ||'''Field Service''': Mon-Fri 7:30am-5pm||<br> + ||'''Emergency Service''' is available 24-7||<br> + ||&lt;bgcolor='#E0E0FF'&gt;'''Phone'''||<br> + ||Small Animal Clinic (530)752-1393; Emergency (530)752-0186 ||<br> + ||Large Animal Clinic (530)752-0290; Emergency (530)752-5438 ||<br> + ||Field Service (530)752-0292; Emergency (530)752-5438 ||<br> + ||&lt;bgcolor='#E0E0FF'&gt;'''Website'''||<br> + ||[http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/vmth/clientinfo/general.html]||<br> + <br> + [[Image(vmth.jpg, "Patient entrance to VMTH (Small Animal side)", thumbnail)]] [[Image(onc.jpg, "The new Oncology/Genetics Center", thumbnail)]]<br> + <br> + UC Davis' Vet Med Teaching Hospital offers a full range of services whether your pet is small, large, or exotic, and they're essentially open 24hrs/day, 365 days a year [appointments during regular hours preferred]. As a teaching hospital, many procedures may be performed by veterinary students under the supervision of a licensed veterinarian. Field service is available for horses, but no other livestock. This is also the only place on campus where you can see ["lamas"]! Oftentimes, a private practice vet will refer clients to the VMTH for a second opinion or more in-depth treatment. Emergency after hours visits start at $170 to walk in the door (exam fee only); dog spaying/neutering is $100 (except for giant breeds) [August 2006].<br> + <br> + If you bring in an exotic pet (i.e. not a cat or dog) it is general policy at the VMTH for the veterinarian to perform the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_exam physical exam] in a separate treatment area without the owner present.<br> + <br> + The Vet Med Teaching Hospital is also a [http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/resserv.cfm research facility] and shares ["UC Davis"]' mission of public service to the state of California.<br> + <br> + *[http://old.lib.ucdavis.edu/healthsci/ask.html Ask Now] is a service from the Health Sciences Libraries of UC Davis. We can help you locate print and electronic information about human and animal health. '''''This service is free!'''''<br> + <br> + <br> + <br> + See our ["Veterinary Hospitals"] page for other vet services within ["Davis"].<br> + <br> + == Murals! ==<br> + [[Image(mural1.jpg, "Some nice murals in the main VMTH entrance", thumbnail)]] [[Image(mural2.jpg, thumbnail)]] [[Image(mural3.jpg, thumbnail)]]<br> + <br> + <br> + [[Comments]]<br> + ------<br> + ''2005-05-13 11:15:09'' [[nbsp]] There's a whole host of exotic animals here. I saw on the Vet School page something about kidney transplants. Anything you can do at a real hospital, we do here. Dialysis, transplants, chemotherapy, etc. There's a tri-state emergency helicopter service that brings animals in. People send some animals from overseas. So much more. Like tons of zoos send their animals exclusively to here. We had a red panda from the San Diego Zoo a whle ago, so cute. I'll really add a lotta info to this page later. --["EdwinSaada" edwub]<br> + ------<br> + ''2005-11-05 21:26:14'' [[nbsp]] does field service mean they will come to you for vet needs? --["MichelleAccurso"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2005-11-06 09:25:49'' [[nbsp]] I'm hardly the authority, but I'd assume ''Field Service'' means if you have a cow or horse which is sick that they can come and see it without having to [http://www.forestpinesriding.com/Directions/pony%20in%20car.jpg] --["SteveDavison"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2005-11-06 11:06:36'' [[nbsp]] ha ha ha, i had to fix that link Steve, nice pocture, funny thing is my dog is about that size! --["MichelleAccurso"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2005-12-06 09:12:31'' [[nbsp]] Yep, they have a Field Service. They're not very timely, though, as it took them almost an HOUR to drive across the street to the UC Davis Equestrian Center to help a horse with a broken leg... --["StaceyGalbreath"]<br> + <br> + ------<br> + ''2005-12-09 04:31:13'' [[nbsp]] field service takes a while (especially if called on emergency) because they have to drive from their homes and the doctor and vet student have to meet up at the VMTH before heading over. They only see horses, no other livestock. --["MegHobbs"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-04-10 15:37:20'' [[nbsp]] I can't thank the vet hospital enough. When my cat was very sick, they not only took excellent care of him and fixed the problem, but also worked with us to keep costs low and arrange payment (we were college students at the time). The doctor was willing to explore alternative arrangements to using expensive diagnostic tools (scans, extensive bloodwork, etc) in lieu of effective but less expensive options. I could not have been more impressed, and though those were some scary times in the waiting room, the vets made sure we knew what was going on, and made sure all of our questions were answered. They were also REALLY sweet to the animals. He was so comfortable with them, he let them insert a catheter without needed to be sedated...and if you have EVER tried to do something that uncomfortable to a cat before, you know that isn't easy. I can't say enough how wonderful they were. --["AmandaCaudle"]<br> + <br> + <br> + ------<br> + ''2006-08-21 12:03:13'' [[nbsp]] i will never go here again. they have a horrible policy where they don't allow owners to be present for the exams; i found this out AT THE APPOINTMENT. the vet, dr. malka, is lacking in both demeanor and knowlege. he suggested ASTROTURF as guinea pig bedding! they then whisked my animals away to an unspecified location and left me sitting in a perfectly good exam room because it was a "teaching hospital." they left me in there ALONE, too, i might add. i asked several times to be present and was denied. they took them away knowing how uncomfortable i was about it. this was not some wonky procedure, this was a STANDARD PHYSICAL EXAM (when i asked them what they were going to do, because i was thrown by the astroturf suggestion, they refused to give me details).<br> + <br> + fifteen minutes later the assistant came back in and confessed that they couldn't tell them apart. i asked if she wanted me to come back and id them for her; she said "no, it's a little crazy back there." i said "crazy? you brought my guinea pigs into a "crazy" environment to do an exam on them?" she stiffly replied, "we know what we're doing." when i refused to help them unless i was present, she said she was going to go get the doctor. after ten more minutes i started roaming the halls looking for my guinea pigs-- as luck would have it they weren't far away, but i had to guess and knock. the intern wouldn't let me enter the room, but i could see that same girl who couldn't tell them apart, DOING THE EXAM, while dr. malka watched her! so she just went ahead and did the exam not being able to tell them apart. when i demanded they be returned to me, the doctor looked at me and said "oh, did you want to come in and watch?" i couldn't even believe it. luckily i was able to pull them out of there and get the fees waived, but i am avoiding this place from now on and i'd suggest you do the same. i've been to a lot of vet places but this was the scariest. --["AnsateJones"]<br> + <br> + * I'm surprised to hear such a negative experience. I've used the VMTH for a few emergencies and have always had as positive an experience as possible. I don't recall ever being told that I couldn't be present for the initial exam... it never even came into question! --["AlphaDog"]<br> + * Have you considered the fact that they may not have wanted you around because it sounds like you were ''freaking out?!'' Seriously, a lot of times owners are really upset and therefore not helpful and creating more stress for the doctors and animals. Who cares if they can tell them apart during the exam? They'll take their notes and add the names later. It really doesn't matter. And who did you think would do the exam? The sudent, duh, under clinician supervision. Its a teaching hospital, so what did you want them to do, not examine your pets? YOU should not have been wandering around the hospital anyway. Sound to me like you just needed to chill out and let them do their jobs, since they do know what they are doing. --["AllisonEriksen"]<br> + <br> + * I'll assume your irrational vehemence against someone with a valid complaint is due to the fact that you work there, Allison. Lo and behold! I was a vet tech for many years and have worked in quite a few hospitals and animal facilities. I'm not some ignorant rube. I wasn't even freaking out until they came back in, said they were having problems, then never came back and never told me where my animals WERE or if they had resolved any of the problems. I shouldn't have been wandering around the hospital because someone should have explained where I could go if I had an issue. You can't just sit concerned clients in a room after snatching their pets due to some unknown policy (that apparently even people that work there have no clue about!), and expect them to roll over and take it. That is crazy. Finally, I think it definitely matters which animal is which, especially in this case-- one of them had been recently sick and one of them wasn't. You think record snafus don't happen, especially if you have to wait until later to fill in names? You haven't been in the field long enough. Two months at Angell Boston was enough to teach me that. If you don't think it matters which animal is which, remind me to never take mine to you. --["AnsateJones"]<br> + * Assume all you like, my employment is not an issue here. But feel free to use that. These are professionals who know what they are doing, and if they don't want you in the room with them, why should they tell you where it is? Whatever. I'm done here.<br> + *That's what bugs me the most, Allison. You keep coming back to "these are professionals who know what they are doing." Bull! Just because someone has a vet degree does not mean they are 100% competent, and it does not mean they are even adequately competent to treat or recommend treatment for every species. I tried to ask him what he was going to look for, because I know what he should look for, and he was intentionally vague. He said that he would look at the same stuff that he would look at for a dog or cat. Well geez, why have specialists at all then? I could just take them to the Cat Clinic! You cannot implicitly trust some stranger based on their degree. People goof. People don't know everything. You cannot assume that every vet you take your animals to is going to is going to be capable of making proper decisions, or even treating them correctly. The vibe I'm getting from you (and as an employee I'm sorry to say you are certainly a representative of the place) is that "owners are stupid, they don't know anything, they should just leave the poor vets alone, the vets know everything, they never make mistakes, and '''the owner-pet relationship is not important in the diagnostic procedure.''' " I have to say the last one is absolutely not true, and it saddens me that anyone would honestly believe it enough to be okay with someone being denied access to a physical, noninvasive exam. Not only that, but to be an absolute brat to a concerned owner. -["AnsateJones"]<br> + * A complaint is valid, but your assumption is incorrect. I'll admit I don't know too much about the workings for CCAH/CAPE, but that is not standard procedure for the other clinics and the main building, for dogs, cats, etc. Obviously certain treatments will be, but likely the same everywhere else, but owners go in with the exams (except perhaps a couple emergency surgical exams), and as someone above commented here, they are kept up to date on everything when not in. Perhaps in the other building, due to the smaller more unique animals, they might not let people come in - which I doubt really, I'll ask later to verify. Especially as it seems Alphadog was always able do, and iirc he had a mouse or some other such animal not in the normal small animal clinic but in the other building as you went. But I do agree with Allison on one point - it does sound like you were overreacting. Most people don't leave and start knocking on doors. Perhaps you were displaying overt anxienty or something similar prior to the exam to give the doctor reason to not ask you to come? Sometimes the owners are stressed or duressed and I could see why someone would be hesistant to have you over, without giving them a chance to first take a look at the animals. Even if this were the case, as I said in the comment log, it's an extreme aberation, and still not standard policy. I can assure you that's not what happens to 99.99999% of everyone else. -["EdwinSaada" ES]<br> + * (comment edited after ES updated his) For clarification, she didn't just leave for no reason and start knocking on doors -- after she waited in the room for a while for word of whether they resolved the couldn't-tell-the-pigs-apart problem, she called me for advice on her cell phone. I asked one of my co-workers who is a guinea pig enthusiast (and whose wife is a vet tech), and he was absolutely appauled by the situation and strongly recommended getting the guinea pigs out of the appointment ''immediately.'' I agreed and relayed the advice on to AnsateJones, and this is why she left the room to try to find out what was going on. --["PenguiN42"]<br> + * an update on the situation (I'm a co-owner of the pigs involved): I just spoke to a woman who spoke with AnsateJones yesterday, and she now says that there's no specific policy about not letting owners be present during exams, but the doctors do have discretion to decide whether or not they can be present. However, she also said that it was highly unusual that the owner would not only not be present, but would have been left in an empty exam room and denied the ability to even go back to reception to ask a question. She wasn't sure why the situation ended up like that, but was going to speak to the doctor to try to figure out what went on, and call me back later this afternoon. I should also add that at the time, there was no prior warning that the exam would be handled this way, the doctor claimed it ''was'' policy, and he offered no other explanation. This was at best a highly unprofessional, if not unethical, way of handling the situation. --["PenguiN42"]<br> + * Which is exactly what I was saying. It is *not* policy (which was the assumption I said Ansante made, and I consequently deleted from the page), and if it happened as it wrote, it's an extreme abberation from what is normal. My syntax above was bad, and is now edited to what I meant (obviously it couldnt have been about something that didnt happen yet). -["EdwinSaada" ES]<br> + <br> + * Edwin, the woman I talked to who is apparently an administrator told me it was policy. I asked her specifically, twice for clarification, and she said it was policy. I made no assumptions. I asked. I don't know why she is changing her story now, but I find the reaction here to my recounting of what happened to me quite rude and defensive. If what you're saying is true, then most people don't get my experience, so I don't really think you can say I'm overreacting, or that "most people don't do such-and-such." And I like how you mention that I must have seemed over-anxious to them... I was actually pretty relaxed until the vet recommended ASTROTURF, which goes against every fiber of my training and experience. I'm supposed to let him whisk away my babies after that? Give me a break! Not to mention that putting that spin on it tries to blame me for the entire situation when really it just makes the vet hospital look like they do some sort of hasty profiling of owners and then pick and choose who gets to actually be in the room with their animals during a routine exam. Gee, maybe it was because I had blue hair, maybe they just assumed I must be irresponsible! Sounds like a place I'd want to avoid. Your rationalizations don't make the situation smell any better. -["AnsateJones"]<br> + * Yeah, blue hair, that's it. --["grumpyoldgeek"]<br> + * Haha! There's employees there with colored hair. When my friends dog needed brain surgery, one of the techs had rainbow colored hair - Scott<br> + * That was the one throwaway sentence in the whole thing and you guys latched right onto it. That said, rainbow colored hair sounds cool. -AJ<br> + * That would probably be Sam, he's a real cool guy. He's the neurotech. His hair isn't always rainbow colored. Sometimes its just blue or orange or something. -["EdwinSaada" ES]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-08-23 18:28:38'' [[nbsp]] followup: i have talked with dr. hawkins, who runs the exotics division, and she said it was general policy. i am reverting the wiki. you can call her if you like, but she is so rude and dismissive she brought me to tears, and from what i can tell she does not give a damn about your experience at vmth or the misbehavior of the veterinarians. good luck if you ever have a problem here, but don't say i didn't warn you. --["AnsateJones"]<br> + * I was wondering if that might be the policy for exotics. I knew it definitely wasn't for the "normal" animals. As it is, that's still a crap experience and I still want you to know I've never heard or seen anything like that and I spent two years working front desk, though at small animal clinic. But I did afterhours and Saturdays, so I helped people from every department. I know of Dr. Hawkins, but I don't really know how exotics/ccah/cape fit into the [http://vmth.ucdavis.edu/vmth/admin/admin.html admin] structure. If you're still frustrated or want some decent closure, I'd try to contact someone else (maybe on the list I linked) and let them know how you feel.<br> + On the other side, the VMTH has given amazing care to each and every animal I've seen and I've literally been with, spoken with, and billed several thousands of clients. I have had clients so happy over thier pets that they send everyone gifts - not just the doctors or the students, but even the receptionists and billing people who keep them company or wish them well. We have binders of cards and photos people send in, tons of letters coming regularly, and a whole ton of happy people. I've formed more than a few friendships with many clients, and we end up talking about school/work, our personal lives, etc. If anything is truely wrong with a pet, the VMTH is the place to go. Surgerys, cancers, behavioral or neurological problems, dentistry, skin conditions, etc. Animals from all around the state, including zoos, and sometimes around the country (and even overseas), are sent for some of the finest and best procedures and equipment available. I'd encourage you to come back if you have other pets, or just to see and talk to other clients, especially in small animal. It sucks that your experience sucks, but despite working there, it's ''not'' loyalty but admiration that made me post. I saw some amazing things, and I never have been in an exam room once. Spend a few hours a week in a waiting room for the highest of highs and some heart-breaking downs of emotions. Anyway, once you read this, please feel free to delete this (especially if you plan to call) and probably most of the discussion above.-["EdwinSaada" ES]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-08-31 10:34:40'' [[nbsp]] It's always unfortunate to hear about bad experiences at a hospital. Hopefully anyone who has such an experience is able to discuss it with the parties involved, since (in my experience) it usually comes down to an issue of miscommunication. A Note was added recently to the main section of this page about the exotics service's physical exam policy that seemed a bit too targeted; it was really more of a comment than general info (it focused on one service, named one person, did not provide background info on what a physical exam is, ...) -- normally the top section of the page is for general information, and anyone who is interested in specific experiences can read the numerous comments, which cover that particular issue extensively.<br> + --["DennisBallance"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2006-10-15 18:36:37AlphaDogRenamed to "Veterinary Medicine Teaching Hospital" <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <span>- ||&lt;bgcolor='#E0E0FF'&gt;'''Location'''||<br> - ||UC Davis Vet Med campus (between West Health Science Drive &amp; La Rue Rd.)||<br> - ||&lt;bgcolor='#E0E0FF'&gt;'''Hours'''||<br> - ||'''Small Animal Clinic''': Mon-Fri 8am-noon, 1pm-5pm||<br> - ||'''Large Animal Clinic''': Mon-Fri 8am-5pm||<br> - ||'''Field Service''': Mon-Fri 7:30am-5pm||<br> - ||'''Emergency Service''' is available 24-7||<br> - ||&lt;bgcolor='#E0E0FF'&gt;'''Phone'''||<br> - ||Small Animal Clinic (530)752-1393; Emergency (530)752-0186 ||<br> - ||Large Animal Clinic (530)752-0290; Emergency (530)752-5438 ||<br> - ||Field Service (530)752-0292; Emergency (530)752-5438 ||<br> - ||&lt;bgcolor='#E0E0FF'&gt;'''Website'''||<br> - ||[http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/vmth/clientinfo/general.html]||<br> - <br> - [[Image(vmth.jpg, "Patient entrance to VMTH (Small Animal side)", thumbnail)]] [[Image(onc.jpg, "The new Oncology/Genetics Center", thumbnail)]]<br> - <br> - UC Davis' Vet Med Teaching Hospital offers a full range of services whether your pet is small, large, or exotic, and they're essentially open 24hrs/day, 365 days a year [appointments during regular hours preferred]. As a teaching hospital, many procedures may be performed by veterinary students under the supervision of a licensed veterinarian. Field service is available for horses, but no other livestock. This is also the only place on campus where you can see ["lamas"]! Oftentimes, a private practice vet will refer clients to the VMTH for a second opinion or more in-depth treatment. Emergency after hours visits start at $170 to walk in the door (exam fee only); dog spaying/neutering is $100 (except for giant breeds) [August 2006].<br> - <br> - If you bring in an exotic pet (i.e. not a cat or dog) it is general policy at the VMTH for the veterinarian to perform the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_exam physical exam] in a separate treatment area without the owner present.<br> - <br> - The Vet Med Teaching Hospital is also a [http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/resserv.cfm research facility] and shares ["UC Davis"]' mission of public service to the state of California.<br> - <br> - *[http://old.lib.ucdavis.edu/healthsci/ask.html Ask Now] is a service from the Health Sciences Libraries of UC Davis. We can help you locate print and electronic information about human and animal health. '''''This service is free!'''''<br> - <br> - <br> - <br> - See our ["Veterinary Hospitals"] page for other vet services within ["Davis"].<br> - <br> - == Murals! ==<br> - [[Image(mural1.jpg, "Some nice murals in the main VMTH entrance", thumbnail)]] [[Image(mural2.jpg, thumbnail)]] [[Image(mural3.jpg, thumbnail)]]<br> - <br> - <br> - [[Comments]]<br> - ------<br> - ''2005-05-13 11:15:09'' [[nbsp]] There's a whole host of exotic animals here. I saw on the Vet School page something about kidney transplants. Anything you can do at a real hospital, we do here. Dialysis, transplants, chemotherapy, etc. There's a tri-state emergency helicopter service that brings animals in. People send some animals from overseas. So much more. Like tons of zoos send their animals exclusively to here. We had a red panda from the San Diego Zoo a whle ago, so cute. I'll really add a lotta info to this page later. --["EdwinSaada" edwub]<br> - ------<br> - ''2005-11-05 21:26:14'' [[nbsp]] does field service mean they will come to you for vet needs? --["MichelleAccurso"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2005-11-06 09:25:49'' [[nbsp]] I'm hardly the authority, but I'd assume ''Field Service'' means if you have a cow or horse which is sick that they can come and see it without having to [http://www.forestpinesriding.com/Directions/pony%20in%20car.jpg] --["SteveDavison"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2005-11-06 11:06:36'' [[nbsp]] ha ha ha, i had to fix that link Steve, nice pocture, funny thing is my dog is about that size! --["MichelleAccurso"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2005-12-06 09:12:31'' [[nbsp]] Yep, they have a Field Service. They're not very timely, though, as it took them almost an HOUR to drive across the street to the UC Davis Equestrian Center to help a horse with a broken leg... --["StaceyGalbreath"]<br> - <br> - ------<br> - ''2005-12-09 04:31:13'' [[nbsp]] field service takes a while (especially if called on emergency) because they have to drive from their homes and the doctor and vet student have to meet up at the VMTH before heading over. They only see horses, no other livestock. --["MegHobbs"]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-04-10 15:37:20'' [[nbsp]] I can't thank the vet hospital enough. When my cat was very sick, they not only took excellent care of him and fixed the problem, but also worked with us to keep costs low and arrange payment (we were college students at the time). The doctor was willing to explore alternative arrangements to using expensive diagnostic tools (scans, extensive bloodwork, etc) in lieu of effective but less expensive options. I could not have been more impressed, and though those were some scary times in the waiting room, the vets made sure we knew what was going on, and made sure all of our questions were answered. They were also REALLY sweet to the animals. He was so comfortable with them, he let them insert a catheter without needed to be sedated...and if you have EVER tried to do something that uncomfortable to a cat before, you know that isn't easy. I can't say enough how wonderful they were. --["AmandaCaudle"]<br> - <br> - <br> - ------<br> - ''2006-08-21 12:03:13'' [[nbsp]] i will never go here again. they have a horrible policy where they don't allow owners to be present for the exams; i found this out AT THE APPOINTMENT. the vet, dr. malka, is lacking in both demeanor and knowlege. he suggested ASTROTURF as guinea pig bedding! they then whisked my animals away to an unspecified location and left me sitting in a perfectly good exam room because it was a "teaching hospital." they left me in there ALONE, too, i might add. i asked several times to be present and was denied. they took them away knowing how uncomfortable i was about it. this was not some wonky procedure, this was a STANDARD PHYSICAL EXAM (when i asked them what they were going to do, because i was thrown by the astroturf suggestion, they refused to give me details).<br> - <br> - fifteen minutes later the assistant came back in and confessed that they couldn't tell them apart. i asked if she wanted me to come back and id them for her; she said "no, it's a little crazy back there." i said "crazy? you brought my guinea pigs into a "crazy" environment to do an exam on them?" she stiffly replied, "we know what we're doing." when i refused to help them unless i was present, she said she was going to go get the doctor. after ten more minutes i started roaming the halls looking for my guinea pigs-- as luck would have it they weren't far away, but i had to guess and knock. the intern wouldn't let me enter the room, but i could see that same girl who couldn't tell them apart, DOING THE EXAM, while dr. malka watched her! so she just went ahead and did the exam not being able to tell them apart. when i demanded they be returned to me, the doctor looked at me and said "oh, did you want to come in and watch?" i couldn't even believe it. luckily i was able to pull them out of there and get the fees waived, but i am avoiding this place from now on and i'd suggest you do the same. i've been to a lot of vet places but this was the scariest. --["AnsateJones"]<br> - <br> - * I'm surprised to hear such a negative experience. I've used the VMTH for a few emergencies and have always had as positive an experience as possible. I don't recall ever being told that I couldn't be present for the initial exam... it never even came into question! --["AlphaDog"]<br> - * Have you considered the fact that they may not have wanted you around because it sounds like you were ''freaking out?!'' Seriously, a lot of times owners are really upset and therefore not helpful and creating more stress for the doctors and animals. Who cares if they can tell them apart during the exam? They'll take their notes and add the names later. It really doesn't matter. And who did you think would do the exam? The sudent, duh, under clinician supervision. Its a teaching hospital, so what did you want them to do, not examine your pets? YOU should not have been wandering around the hospital anyway. Sound to me like you just needed to chill out and let them do their jobs, since they do know what they are doing. --["AllisonEriksen"]<br> - <br> - * I'll assume your irrational vehemence against someone with a valid complaint is due to the fact that you work there, Allison. Lo and behold! I was a vet tech for many years and have worked in quite a few hospitals and animal facilities. I'm not some ignorant rube. I wasn't even freaking out until they came back in, said they were having problems, then never came back and never told me where my animals WERE or if they had resolved any of the problems. I shouldn't have been wandering around the hospital because someone should have explained where I could go if I had an issue. You can't just sit concerned clients in a room after snatching their pets due to some unknown policy (that apparently even people that work there have no clue about!), and expect them to roll over and take it. That is crazy. Finally, I think it definitely matters which animal is which, especially in this case-- one of them had been recently sick and one of them wasn't. You think record snafus don't happen, especially if you have to wait until later to fill in names? You haven't been in the field long enough. Two months at Angell Boston was enough to teach me that. If you don't think it matters which animal is which, remind me to never take mine to you. --["AnsateJones"]<br> - * Assume all you like, my employment is not an issue here. But feel free to use that. These are professionals who know what they are doing, and if they don't want you in the room with them, why should they tell you where it is? Whatever. I'm done here.<br> - *That's what bugs me the most, Allison. You keep coming back to "these are professionals who know what they are doing." Bull! Just because someone has a vet degree does not mean they are 100% competent, and it does not mean they are even adequately competent to treat or recommend treatment for every species. I tried to ask him what he was going to look for, because I know what he should look for, and he was intentionally vague. He said that he would look at the same stuff that he would look at for a dog or cat. Well geez, why have specialists at all then? I could just take them to the Cat Clinic! You cannot implicitly trust some stranger based on their degree. People goof. People don't know everything. You cannot assume that every vet you take your animals to is going to is going to be capable of making proper decisions, or even treating them correctly. The vibe I'm getting from you (and as an employee I'm sorry to say you are certainly a representative of the place) is that "owners are stupid, they don't know anything, they should just leave the poor vets alone, the vets know everything, they never make mistakes, and '''the owner-pet relationship is not important in the diagnostic procedure.''' " I have to say the last one is absolutely not true, and it saddens me that anyone would honestly believe it enough to be okay with someone being denied access to a physical, noninvasive exam. Not only that, but to be an absolute brat to a concerned owner. -["AnsateJones"]<br> - * A complaint is valid, but your assumption is incorrect. I'll admit I don't know too much about the workings for CCAH/CAPE, but that is not standard procedure for the other clinics and the main building, for dogs, cats, etc. Obviously certain treatments will be, but likely the same everywhere else, but owners go in with the exams (except perhaps a couple emergency surgical exams), and as someone above commented here, they are kept up to date on everything when not in. Perhaps in the other building, due to the smaller more unique animals, they might not let people come in - which I doubt really, I'll ask later to verify. Especially as it seems Alphadog was always able do, and iirc he had a mouse or some other such animal not in the normal small animal clinic but in the other building as you went. But I do agree with Allison on one point - it does sound like you were overreacting. Most people don't leave and start knocking on doors. Perhaps you were displaying overt anxienty or something similar prior to the exam to give the doctor reason to not ask you to come? Sometimes the owners are stressed or duressed and I could see why someone would be hesistant to have you over, without giving them a chance to first take a look at the animals. Even if this were the case, as I said in the comment log, it's an extreme aberation, and still not standard policy. I can assure you that's not what happens to 99.99999% of everyone else. -["EdwinSaada" ES]<br> - * (comment edited after ES updated his) For clarification, she didn't just leave for no reason and start knocking on doors -- after she waited in the room for a while for word of whether they resolved the couldn't-tell-the-pigs-apart problem, she called me for advice on her cell phone. I asked one of my co-workers who is a guinea pig enthusiast (and whose wife is a vet tech), and he was absolutely appauled by the situation and strongly recommended getting the guinea pigs out of the appointment ''immediately.'' I agreed and relayed the advice on to AnsateJones, and this is why she left the room to try to find out what was going on. --["PenguiN42"]<br> - * an update on the situation (I'm a co-owner of the pigs involved): I just spoke to a woman who spoke with AnsateJones yesterday, and she now says that there's no specific policy about not letting owners be present during exams, but the doctors do have discretion to decide whether or not they can be present. However, she also said that it was highly unusual that the owner would not only not be present, but would have been left in an empty exam room and denied the ability to even go back to reception to ask a question. She wasn't sure why the situation ended up like that, but was going to speak to the doctor to try to figure out what went on, and call me back later this afternoon. I should also add that at the time, there was no prior warning that the exam would be handled this way, the doctor claimed it ''was'' policy, and he offered no other explanation. This was at best a highly unprofessional, if not unethical, way of handling the situation. --["PenguiN42"]<br> - * Which is exactly what I was saying. It is *not* policy (which was the assumption I said Ansante made, and I consequently deleted from the page), and if it happened as it wrote, it's an extreme abberation from what is normal. My syntax above was bad, and is now edited to what I meant (obviously it couldnt have been about something that didnt happen yet). -["EdwinSaada" ES]<br> - <br> - * Edwin, the woman I talked to who is apparently an administrator told me it was policy. I asked her specifically, twice for clarification, and she said it was policy. I made no assumptions. I asked. I don't know why she is changing her story now, but I find the reaction here to my recounting of what happened to me quite rude and defensive. If what you're saying is true, then most people don't get my experience, so I don't really think you can say I'm overreacting, or that "most people don't do such-and-such." And I like how you mention that I must have seemed over-anxious to them... I was actually pretty relaxed until the vet recommended ASTROTURF, which goes against every fiber of my training and experience. I'm supposed to let him whisk away my babies after that? Give me a break! Not to mention that putting that spin on it tries to blame me for the entire situation when really it just makes the vet hospital look like they do some sort of hasty profiling of owners and then pick and choose who gets to actually be in the room with their animals during a routine exam. Gee, maybe it was because I had blue hair, maybe they just assumed I must be irresponsible! Sounds like a place I'd want to avoid. Your rationalizations don't make the situation smell any better. -["AnsateJones"]<br> - * Yeah, blue hair, that's it. --["grumpyoldgeek"]<br> - * Haha! There's employees there with colored hair. When my friends dog needed brain surgery, one of the techs had rainbow colored hair - Scott<br> - * That was the one throwaway sentence in the whole thing and you guys latched right onto it. That said, rainbow colored hair sounds cool. -AJ<br> - * That would probably be Sam, he's a real cool guy. He's the neurotech. His hair isn't always rainbow colored. Sometimes its just blue or orange or something. -["EdwinSaada" ES]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-08-23 18:28:38'' [[nbsp]] followup: i have talked with dr. hawkins, who runs the exotics division, and she said it was general policy. i am reverting the wiki. you can call her if you like, but she is so rude and dismissive she brought me to tears, and from what i can tell she does not give a damn about your experience at vmth or the misbehavior of the veterinarians. good luck if you ever have a problem here, but don't say i didn't warn you. --["AnsateJones"]<br> - * I was wondering if that might be the policy for exotics. I knew it definitely wasn't for the "normal" animals. As it is, that's still a crap experience and I still want you to know I've never heard or seen anything like that and I spent two years working front desk, though at small animal clinic. But I did afterhours and Saturdays, so I helped people from every department. I know of Dr. Hawkins, but I don't really know how exotics/ccah/cape fit into the [http://vmth.ucdavis.edu/vmth/admin/admin.html admin] structure. If you're still frustrated or want some decent closure, I'd try to contact someone else (maybe on the list I linked) and let them know how you feel.<br> - On the other side, the VMTH has given amazing care to each and every animal I've seen and I've literally been with, spoken with, and billed several thousands of clients. I have had clients so happy over thier pets that they send everyone gifts - not just the doctors or the students, but even the receptionists and billing people who keep them company or wish them well. We have binders of cards and photos people send in, tons of letters coming regularly, and a whole ton of happy people. I've formed more than a few friendships with many clients, and we end up talking about school/work, our personal lives, etc. If anything is truely wrong with a pet, the VMTH is the place to go. Surgerys, cancers, behavioral or neurological problems, dentistry, skin conditions, etc. Animals from all around the state, including zoos, and sometimes around the country (and even overseas), are sent for some of the finest and best procedures and equipment available. I'd encourage you to come back if you have other pets, or just to see and talk to other clients, especially in small animal. It sucks that your experience sucks, but despite working there, it's ''not'' loyalty but admiration that made me post. I saw some amazing things, and I never have been in an exam room once. Spend a few hours a week in a waiting room for the highest of highs and some heart-breaking downs of emotions. Anyway, once you read this, please feel free to delete this (especially if you plan to call) and probably most of the discussion above.-["EdwinSaada" ES]<br> - ------<br> - ''2006-08-31 10:34:40'' [[nbsp]] It's always unfortunate to hear about bad experiences at a hospital. Hopefully anyone who has such an experience is able to discuss it with the parties involved, since (in my experience) it usually comes down to an issue of miscommunication. A Note was added recently to the main section of this page about the exotics service's physical exam policy that seemed a bit too targeted; it was really more of a comment than general info (it focused on one service, named one person, did not provide background info on what a physical exam is, ...) -- normally the top section of the page is for general information, and anyone who is interested in specific experiences can read the numerous comments, which cover that particular issue extensively.<br> - --["DennisBallance"]</span> </td> <td> <span>+ #redirect Veterinary Medicine Teaching Hospital</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2006-10-15 15:39:56EdwinSaadaRenamed from "Vet Med Teaching Hospital" (full name is better, right?) <div id="content" class="wikipage content"> Differences for Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital<p><strong></strong></p><table> <tr> <td> <span> Deletions are marked with - . </span> </td> <td> <span> Additions are marked with +. </span> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Line 1: </td> <td> Line 1: </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> <span>+ ||&lt;bgcolor='#E0E0FF'&gt;'''Location'''||<br> + ||UC Davis Vet Med campus (between West Health Science Drive &amp; La Rue Rd.)||<br> + ||&lt;bgcolor='#E0E0FF'&gt;'''Hours'''||<br> + ||'''Small Animal Clinic''': Mon-Fri 8am-noon, 1pm-5pm||<br> + ||'''Large Animal Clinic''': Mon-Fri 8am-5pm||<br> + ||'''Field Service''': Mon-Fri 7:30am-5pm||<br> + ||'''Emergency Service''' is available 24-7||<br> + ||&lt;bgcolor='#E0E0FF'&gt;'''Phone'''||<br> + ||Small Animal Clinic (530)752-1393; Emergency (530)752-0186 ||<br> + ||Large Animal Clinic (530)752-0290; Emergency (530)752-5438 ||<br> + ||Field Service (530)752-0292; Emergency (530)752-5438 ||<br> + ||&lt;bgcolor='#E0E0FF'&gt;'''Website'''||<br> + ||[http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/vmth/clientinfo/general.html]||<br> + <br> + [[Image(vmth.jpg, "Patient entrance to VMTH (Small Animal side)", thumbnail)]] [[Image(onc.jpg, "The new Oncology/Genetics Center", thumbnail)]]<br> + <br> + UC Davis' Vet Med Teaching Hospital offers a full range of services whether your pet is small, large, or exotic, and they're essentially open 24hrs/day, 365 days a year [appointments during regular hours preferred]. As a teaching hospital, many procedures may be performed by veterinary students under the supervision of a licensed veterinarian. Field service is available for horses, but no other livestock. This is also the only place on campus where you can see ["lamas"]! Oftentimes, a private practice vet will refer clients to the VMTH for a second opinion or more in-depth treatment. Emergency after hours visits start at $170 to walk in the door (exam fee only); dog spaying/neutering is $100 (except for giant breeds) [August 2006].<br> + <br> + If you bring in an exotic pet (i.e. not a cat or dog) it is general policy at the VMTH for the veterinarian to perform the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_exam physical exam] in a separate treatment area without the owner present.<br> + <br> + The Vet Med Teaching Hospital is also a [http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/resserv.cfm research facility] and shares ["UC Davis"]' mission of public service to the state of California.<br> + <br> + *[http://old.lib.ucdavis.edu/healthsci/ask.html Ask Now] is a service from the Health Sciences Libraries of UC Davis. We can help you locate print and electronic information about human and animal health. '''''This service is free!'''''<br> + <br> + <br> + <br> + See our ["Veterinary Hospitals"] page for other vet services within ["Davis"].<br> + <br> + == Murals! ==<br> + [[Image(mural1.jpg, "Some nice murals in the main VMTH entrance", thumbnail)]] [[Image(mural2.jpg, thumbnail)]] [[Image(mural3.jpg, thumbnail)]]<br> + <br> + <br> + [[Comments]]<br> + ------<br> + ''2005-05-13 11:15:09'' [[nbsp]] There's a whole host of exotic animals here. I saw on the Vet School page something about kidney transplants. Anything you can do at a real hospital, we do here. Dialysis, transplants, chemotherapy, etc. There's a tri-state emergency helicopter service that brings animals in. People send some animals from overseas. So much more. Like tons of zoos send their animals exclusively to here. We had a red panda from the San Diego Zoo a whle ago, so cute. I'll really add a lotta info to this page later. --["EdwinSaada" edwub]<br> + ------<br> + ''2005-11-05 21:26:14'' [[nbsp]] does field service mean they will come to you for vet needs? --["MichelleAccurso"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2005-11-06 09:25:49'' [[nbsp]] I'm hardly the authority, but I'd assume ''Field Service'' means if you have a cow or horse which is sick that they can come and see it without having to [http://www.forestpinesriding.com/Directions/pony%20in%20car.jpg] --["SteveDavison"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2005-11-06 11:06:36'' [[nbsp]] ha ha ha, i had to fix that link Steve, nice pocture, funny thing is my dog is about that size! --["MichelleAccurso"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2005-12-06 09:12:31'' [[nbsp]] Yep, they have a Field Service. They're not very timely, though, as it took them almost an HOUR to drive across the street to the UC Davis Equestrian Center to help a horse with a broken leg... --["StaceyGalbreath"]<br> + <br> + ------<br> + ''2005-12-09 04:31:13'' [[nbsp]] field service takes a while (especially if called on emergency) because they have to drive from their homes and the doctor and vet student have to meet up at the VMTH before heading over. They only see horses, no other livestock. --["MegHobbs"]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-04-10 15:37:20'' [[nbsp]] I can't thank the vet hospital enough. When my cat was very sick, they not only took excellent care of him and fixed the problem, but also worked with us to keep costs low and arrange payment (we were college students at the time). The doctor was willing to explore alternative arrangements to using expensive diagnostic tools (scans, extensive bloodwork, etc) in lieu of effective but less expensive options. I could not have been more impressed, and though those were some scary times in the waiting room, the vets made sure we knew what was going on, and made sure all of our questions were answered. They were also REALLY sweet to the animals. He was so comfortable with them, he let them insert a catheter without needed to be sedated...and if you have EVER tried to do something that uncomfortable to a cat before, you know that isn't easy. I can't say enough how wonderful they were. --["AmandaCaudle"]<br> + <br> + <br> + ------<br> + ''2006-08-21 12:03:13'' [[nbsp]] i will never go here again. they have a horrible policy where they don't allow owners to be present for the exams; i found this out AT THE APPOINTMENT. the vet, dr. malka, is lacking in both demeanor and knowlege. he suggested ASTROTURF as guinea pig bedding! they then whisked my animals away to an unspecified location and left me sitting in a perfectly good exam room because it was a "teaching hospital." they left me in there ALONE, too, i might add. i asked several times to be present and was denied. they took them away knowing how uncomfortable i was about it. this was not some wonky procedure, this was a STANDARD PHYSICAL EXAM (when i asked them what they were going to do, because i was thrown by the astroturf suggestion, they refused to give me details).<br> + <br> + fifteen minutes later the assistant came back in and confessed that they couldn't tell them apart. i asked if she wanted me to come back and id them for her; she said "no, it's a little crazy back there." i said "crazy? you brought my guinea pigs into a "crazy" environment to do an exam on them?" she stiffly replied, "we know what we're doing." when i refused to help them unless i was present, she said she was going to go get the doctor. after ten more minutes i started roaming the halls looking for my guinea pigs-- as luck would have it they weren't far away, but i had to guess and knock. the intern wouldn't let me enter the room, but i could see that same girl who couldn't tell them apart, DOING THE EXAM, while dr. malka watched her! so she just went ahead and did the exam not being able to tell them apart. when i demanded they be returned to me, the doctor looked at me and said "oh, did you want to come in and watch?" i couldn't even believe it. luckily i was able to pull them out of there and get the fees waived, but i am avoiding this place from now on and i'd suggest you do the same. i've been to a lot of vet places but this was the scariest. --["AnsateJones"]<br> + <br> + * I'm surprised to hear such a negative experience. I've used the VMTH for a few emergencies and have always had as positive an experience as possible. I don't recall ever being told that I couldn't be present for the initial exam... it never even came into question! --["AlphaDog"]<br> + * Have you considered the fact that they may not have wanted you around because it sounds like you were ''freaking out?!'' Seriously, a lot of times owners are really upset and therefore not helpful and creating more stress for the doctors and animals. Who cares if they can tell them apart during the exam? They'll take their notes and add the names later. It really doesn't matter. And who did you think would do the exam? The sudent, duh, under clinician supervision. Its a teaching hospital, so what did you want them to do, not examine your pets? YOU should not have been wandering around the hospital anyway. Sound to me like you just needed to chill out and let them do their jobs, since they do know what they are doing. --["AllisonEriksen"]<br> + <br> + * I'll assume your irrational vehemence against someone with a valid complaint is due to the fact that you work there, Allison. Lo and behold! I was a vet tech for many years and have worked in quite a few hospitals and animal facilities. I'm not some ignorant rube. I wasn't even freaking out until they came back in, said they were having problems, then never came back and never told me where my animals WERE or if they had resolved any of the problems. I shouldn't have been wandering around the hospital because someone should have explained where I could go if I had an issue. You can't just sit concerned clients in a room after snatching their pets due to some unknown policy (that apparently even people that work there have no clue about!), and expect them to roll over and take it. That is crazy. Finally, I think it definitely matters which animal is which, especially in this case-- one of them had been recently sick and one of them wasn't. You think record snafus don't happen, especially if you have to wait until later to fill in names? You haven't been in the field long enough. Two months at Angell Boston was enough to teach me that. If you don't think it matters which animal is which, remind me to never take mine to you. --["AnsateJones"]<br> + * Assume all you like, my employment is not an issue here. But feel free to use that. These are professionals who know what they are doing, and if they don't want you in the room with them, why should they tell you where it is? Whatever. I'm done here.<br> + *That's what bugs me the most, Allison. You keep coming back to "these are professionals who know what they are doing." Bull! Just because someone has a vet degree does not mean they are 100% competent, and it does not mean they are even adequately competent to treat or recommend treatment for every species. I tried to ask him what he was going to look for, because I know what he should look for, and he was intentionally vague. He said that he would look at the same stuff that he would look at for a dog or cat. Well geez, why have specialists at all then? I could just take them to the Cat Clinic! You cannot implicitly trust some stranger based on their degree. People goof. People don't know everything. You cannot assume that every vet you take your animals to is going to is going to be capable of making proper decisions, or even treating them correctly. The vibe I'm getting from you (and as an employee I'm sorry to say you are certainly a representative of the place) is that "owners are stupid, they don't know anything, they should just leave the poor vets alone, the vets know everything, they never make mistakes, and '''the owner-pet relationship is not important in the diagnostic procedure.''' " I have to say the last one is absolutely not true, and it saddens me that anyone would honestly believe it enough to be okay with someone being denied access to a physical, noninvasive exam. Not only that, but to be an absolute brat to a concerned owner. -["AnsateJones"]<br> + * A complaint is valid, but your assumption is incorrect. I'll admit I don't know too much about the workings for CCAH/CAPE, but that is not standard procedure for the other clinics and the main building, for dogs, cats, etc. Obviously certain treatments will be, but likely the same everywhere else, but owners go in with the exams (except perhaps a couple emergency surgical exams), and as someone above commented here, they are kept up to date on everything when not in. Perhaps in the other building, due to the smaller more unique animals, they might not let people come in - which I doubt really, I'll ask later to verify. Especially as it seems Alphadog was always able do, and iirc he had a mouse or some other such animal not in the normal small animal clinic but in the other building as you went. But I do agree with Allison on one point - it does sound like you were overreacting. Most people don't leave and start knocking on doors. Perhaps you were displaying overt anxienty or something similar prior to the exam to give the doctor reason to not ask you to come? Sometimes the owners are stressed or duressed and I could see why someone would be hesistant to have you over, without giving them a chance to first take a look at the animals. Even if this were the case, as I said in the comment log, it's an extreme aberation, and still not standard policy. I can assure you that's not what happens to 99.99999% of everyone else. -["EdwinSaada" ES]<br> + * (comment edited after ES updated his) For clarification, she didn't just leave for no reason and start knocking on doors -- after she waited in the room for a while for word of whether they resolved the couldn't-tell-the-pigs-apart problem, she called me for advice on her cell phone. I asked one of my co-workers who is a guinea pig enthusiast (and whose wife is a vet tech), and he was absolutely appauled by the situation and strongly recommended getting the guinea pigs out of the appointment ''immediately.'' I agreed and relayed the advice on to AnsateJones, and this is why she left the room to try to find out what was going on. --["PenguiN42"]<br> + * an update on the situation (I'm a co-owner of the pigs involved): I just spoke to a woman who spoke with AnsateJones yesterday, and she now says that there's no specific policy about not letting owners be present during exams, but the doctors do have discretion to decide whether or not they can be present. However, she also said that it was highly unusual that the owner would not only not be present, but would have been left in an empty exam room and denied the ability to even go back to reception to ask a question. She wasn't sure why the situation ended up like that, but was going to speak to the doctor to try to figure out what went on, and call me back later this afternoon. I should also add that at the time, there was no prior warning that the exam would be handled this way, the doctor claimed it ''was'' policy, and he offered no other explanation. This was at best a highly unprofessional, if not unethical, way of handling the situation. --["PenguiN42"]<br> + * Which is exactly what I was saying. It is *not* policy (which was the assumption I said Ansante made, and I consequently deleted from the page), and if it happened as it wrote, it's an extreme abberation from what is normal. My syntax above was bad, and is now edited to what I meant (obviously it couldnt have been about something that didnt happen yet). -["EdwinSaada" ES]<br> + <br> + * Edwin, the woman I talked to who is apparently an administrator told me it was policy. I asked her specifically, twice for clarification, and she said it was policy. I made no assumptions. I asked. I don't know why she is changing her story now, but I find the reaction here to my recounting of what happened to me quite rude and defensive. If what you're saying is true, then most people don't get my experience, so I don't really think you can say I'm overreacting, or that "most people don't do such-and-such." And I like how you mention that I must have seemed over-anxious to them... I was actually pretty relaxed until the vet recommended ASTROTURF, which goes against every fiber of my training and experience. I'm supposed to let him whisk away my babies after that? Give me a break! Not to mention that putting that spin on it tries to blame me for the entire situation when really it just makes the vet hospital look like they do some sort of hasty profiling of owners and then pick and choose who gets to actually be in the room with their animals during a routine exam. Gee, maybe it was because I had blue hair, maybe they just assumed I must be irresponsible! Sounds like a place I'd want to avoid. Your rationalizations don't make the situation smell any better. -["AnsateJones"]<br> + * Yeah, blue hair, that's it. --["grumpyoldgeek"]<br> + * Haha! There's employees there with colored hair. When my friends dog needed brain surgery, one of the techs had rainbow colored hair - Scott<br> + * That was the one throwaway sentence in the whole thing and you guys latched right onto it. That said, rainbow colored hair sounds cool. -AJ<br> + * That would probably be Sam, he's a real cool guy. He's the neurotech. His hair isn't always rainbow colored. Sometimes its just blue or orange or something. -["EdwinSaada" ES]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-08-23 18:28:38'' [[nbsp]] followup: i have talked with dr. hawkins, who runs the exotics division, and she said it was general policy. i am reverting the wiki. you can call her if you like, but she is so rude and dismissive she brought me to tears, and from what i can tell she does not give a damn about your experience at vmth or the misbehavior of the veterinarians. good luck if you ever have a problem here, but don't say i didn't warn you. --["AnsateJones"]<br> + * I was wondering if that might be the policy for exotics. I knew it definitely wasn't for the "normal" animals. As it is, that's still a crap experience and I still want you to know I've never heard or seen anything like that and I spent two years working front desk, though at small animal clinic. But I did afterhours and Saturdays, so I helped people from every department. I know of Dr. Hawkins, but I don't really know how exotics/ccah/cape fit into the [http://vmth.ucdavis.edu/vmth/admin/admin.html admin] structure. If you're still frustrated or want some decent closure, I'd try to contact someone else (maybe on the list I linked) and let them know how you feel.<br> + On the other side, the VMTH has given amazing care to each and every animal I've seen and I've literally been with, spoken with, and billed several thousands of clients. I have had clients so happy over thier pets that they send everyone gifts - not just the doctors or the students, but even the receptionists and billing people who keep them company or wish them well. We have binders of cards and photos people send in, tons of letters coming regularly, and a whole ton of happy people. I've formed more than a few friendships with many clients, and we end up talking about school/work, our personal lives, etc. If anything is truely wrong with a pet, the VMTH is the place to go. Surgerys, cancers, behavioral or neurological problems, dentistry, skin conditions, etc. Animals from all around the state, including zoos, and sometimes around the country (and even overseas), are sent for some of the finest and best procedures and equipment available. I'd encourage you to come back if you have other pets, or just to see and talk to other clients, especially in small animal. It sucks that your experience sucks, but despite working there, it's ''not'' loyalty but admiration that made me post. I saw some amazing things, and I never have been in an exam room once. Spend a few hours a week in a waiting room for the highest of highs and some heart-breaking downs of emotions. Anyway, once you read this, please feel free to delete this (especially if you plan to call) and probably most of the discussion above.-["EdwinSaada" ES]<br> + ------<br> + ''2006-08-31 10:34:40'' [[nbsp]] It's always unfortunate to hear about bad experiences at a hospital. Hopefully anyone who has such an experience is able to discuss it with the parties involved, since (in my experience) it usually comes down to an issue of miscommunication. A Note was added recently to the main section of this page about the exotics service's physical exam policy that seemed a bit too targeted; it was really more of a comment than general info (it focused on one service, named one person, did not provide background info on what a physical exam is, ...) -- normally the top section of the page is for general information, and anyone who is interested in specific experiences can read the numerous comments, which cover that particular issue extensively.<br> + --["DennisBallance"]</span> </td> </tr> </table> </div> http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2005-05-12 14:31:51AllisonEriksenUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital?action=Files&do=view&target=mural3.jpg">mural3.jpg</a>.http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2005-05-12 14:31:43AllisonEriksenUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital?action=Files&do=view&target=mural2.jpg">mural2.jpg</a>.http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2005-05-12 14:31:27AllisonEriksenUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital?action=Files&do=view&target=mural1.jpg">mural1.jpg</a>.http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2005-05-12 14:28:32AllisonEriksenUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital?action=Files&do=view&target=onc.jpg">onc.jpg</a>.http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital2005-05-12 14:19:25AllisonEriksenUpload of image <a href="http://daviswiki.org/Veterinary_Medical_Teaching_Hospital?action=Files&do=view&target=vmth.jpg">vmth.jpg</a>.