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JasonAller — 2008-09-06 18:50:06

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- * Doesn't seem that steep to me since the $650 gets you a PSU, case, and motherboard. Further, the case can hold up to 4 SATA drives, which would allow us the possibility of a RAID5 setup. - ["AmitVainsencher" AV]	+ * Doesn't seem that steep to me since the $650 gets you a PSU, case, and motherboard. Further, the case can hold up to 4 SATA drives, which would allow us the possibility of a RAID5 setup. - ["Users/AmitVainsencher" AV]
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- ''I wouldn't have a problem doing the hunting, configuring, assembling. Also at least with the inital setup I suggested, everything comes from one vendor except for standard parts such as the CPU, RAM, and hard drives.'' - ["AmitVainsencher" AV]	+ ''I wouldn't have a problem doing the hunting, configuring, assembling. Also at least with the inital setup I suggested, everything comes from one vendor except for standard parts such as the CPU, RAM, and hard drives.'' - ["Users/AmitVainsencher" AV]

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JasonAller — 2008-09-06 18:48:49

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- * [http://www.tyan.com/products/html/gt20b2865_spec.html Tyan Transport GT20 B2865] (1U) - Estimated cost: $650 - ["AmitVainsencher" AV]	+ * [http://www.tyan.com/products/html/gt20b2865_spec.html Tyan Transport GT20 B2865] (1U) - Estimated cost: $650 - ["Users/AmitVainsencher" AV]

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JasonAller — 2008-08-10 20:00:36

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- ["GrahamFreeman" Graham Freeman] of ["Cernio" Cernio] has a half-cabinet (21U) at the enterprise-class [http://sonic.net/sales/colo/ Sonic.net datacenter] in Santa Rosa. Cernio has offered to make up to 4U of space, 2 Amps (ongoing, spot-checked every once in a while), 2 public static IP addresses, 512Kbps@95%, and physical access available to the DavisWiki.org project on a cooperative basis. This means that DavisWiki would pay for what it uses based on the actual cost of these resources - Cernio will not attempt to make money off of the deal. Cernio would benefit by having increased purchasing power and by working closely with good-natured, community-minded, competent, and technically skilled people.	+ ["Users/GrahamFreeman" Graham Freeman] of ["Cernio" Cernio] has a half-cabinet (21U) at the enterprise-class [http://sonic.net/sales/colo/ Sonic.net datacenter] in Santa Rosa. Cernio has offered to make up to 4U of space, 2 Amps (ongoing, spot-checked every once in a while), 2 public static IP addresses, 512Kbps@95%, and physical access available to the DavisWiki.org project on a cooperative basis. This means that DavisWiki would pay for what it uses based on the actual cost of these resources - Cernio will not attempt to make money off of the deal. Cernio would benefit by having increased purchasing power and by working closely with good-natured, community-minded, competent, and technically skilled people.
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- ["LukeCrawford"] of [http://prgmr.com/] has a full rack (2 post) in the community cage at herakles data (It's down by Fry's) and a 100 megabit commit. You are welcome to drop a 1u server in, or if you don't mind NetBSD, I can give you a NetBSD/xen server with 2G ram and a 10G slice of my raid 1+0 fibre channel disk without charging you. You are welcome to use this setup for a primary or a backup. Serial consoles and remote rebooters will be provided either way.	+ ["Users/LukeCrawford"] of [http://prgmr.com/] has a full rack (2 post) in the community cage at herakles data (It's down by Fry's) and a 100 megabit commit. You are welcome to drop a 1u server in, or if you don't mind NetBSD, I can give you a NetBSD/xen server with 2G ram and a 10G slice of my raid 1+0 fibre channel disk without charging you. You are welcome to use this setup for a primary or a backup. Serial consoles and remote rebooters will be provided either way.
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- Physical access: Granting physical access to Cernio's cabinet space means granting physical access to Cernio's equipment as well as to the DavisWiki equipment. It requires an [wiki:WikiPedia:Rfid RFID]-embedded picture ID, [wiki:WikiPedia:Biometric biometric] (hand print, body shape, total weight) verification, and a key. Physical access will not be granted casually. ["PhilipNeustrom" Philip Neustrom] and ["AmitVainsencher" Amit Vainsencher] have passed the initial screening.	+ Physical access: Granting physical access to Cernio's cabinet space means granting physical access to Cernio's equipment as well as to the DavisWiki equipment. It requires an [wiki:WikiPedia:Rfid RFID]-embedded picture ID, [wiki:WikiPedia:Biometric biometric] (hand print, body shape, total weight) verification, and a key. Physical access will not be granted casually. ["Users/PhilipNeustrom" Philip Neustrom] and ["Users/AmitVainsencher" Amit Vainsencher] have passed the initial screening.
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- I don't think 2 Amps is enough to run a server. 2amps x 125volts = 250 watts. - ["ArlenAbraham" arlen] - ''I'm surprised that would even be mentioned -but, assuming that is "typical" and not "peak", that should be fine. Even though power supplies are rated 300-450 watts (or more) for desktops, 1U's often have 250 watt ratings. The actual draw is considerably less, even for desktops. BTW, an amp is a unit of current, a watt is a unit of power, and a kilowatt-hour is a unit of energy. Oh, and North American line voltage is standardized at 120VAC.'' --["SteveDavison"] - ''It depends mostly on how many hard drives you have, how fast they spin, and how busy they are. Some CPUs are very power-consumptive as well. I only use 3A right now for three servers, two switches, a firewall, and a PDU. Besides, if 2A isn't enough, more is available - I just want to make sure it's used wisely so that we don't deploy a power hog when it's not necessary to do so.'' --["GrahamFreeman"]	+ I don't think 2 Amps is enough to run a server. 2amps x 125volts = 250 watts. - ["Users/ArlenAbraham" arlen] + ''I'm surprised that would even be mentioned -but, assuming that is "typical" and not "peak", that should be fine. Even though power supplies are rated 300-450 watts (or more) for desktops, 1U's often have 250 watt ratings. The actual draw is considerably less, even for desktops. BTW, an amp is a unit of current, a watt is a unit of power, and a kilowatt-hour is a unit of energy. Oh, and North American line voltage is standardized at 120VAC.'' --["Users/SteveDavison"] + ''It depends mostly on how many hard drives you have, how fast they spin, and how busy they are. Some CPUs are very power-consumptive as well. I only use 3A right now for three servers, two switches, a firewall, and a PDU. Besides, if 2A isn't enough, more is available - I just want to make sure it's used wisely so that we don't deploy a power hog when it's not necessary to do so.'' --["Users/GrahamFreeman"]
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- Why in the world is co-location even being talked about? How big IS this site?! --["DomenicSantangelo"]	+ Why in the world is co-location even being talked about? How big IS this site?! --["Users/DomenicSantangelo"]
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- Yeah, I mean, I work for a webhosting firm so I have an idea of what's involved... I just didn't realize the wiki was so large in size. 2GB/transfer isn't ''that'' big, but the RAM and CPU figures would be interesting to see. --["DomenicSantangelo"]	+ Yeah, I mean, I work for a webhosting firm so I have an idea of what's involved... I just didn't realize the wiki was so large in size. 2GB/transfer isn't ''that'' big, but the RAM and CPU figures would be interesting to see. --["Users/DomenicSantangelo"]
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- I think the main thing is to plan ahead on all fronts, which we started doing from the beginning, and which Philip continues especially on the programming side, so this seems like a very opportune time to upgrade our hosting. Plus it would just feel better to have the server in Santa Rosa rather than in New York or wherever it is now. -["MikeIvanov"] - Well, making decisions based on "feeling" definately seems like the logical thing to do. Joking aside, why not host somewhere in Davis? If you're going to co-locate, ISPs usually offer that, too (my webhosting firm's server farm is in San Diego, else I'd be plugging them)... It'd be kind of cool to make it a fully Davis operation, wouldn't it? Plus, no driving to Santa Rosa if things go south! --["DomenicSantangelo"] - By "feeling" I really meant ownership and peace of mind rather than "warm and fuzzy." I guess those can be pretty close, though. But my understanding is the hosts in town don't offer a reasonable solution for us. It would be great to be hosted in Davis, just doesn't seem to be in the cards for now. The Santa Rosa offer is to share a cabinet with a company already paying for the whole thing, which really reduces the cost of our share. -["MikeIvanov"]	+ I think the main thing is to plan ahead on all fronts, which we started doing from the beginning, and which Philip continues especially on the programming side, so this seems like a very opportune time to upgrade our hosting. Plus it would just feel better to have the server in Santa Rosa rather than in New York or wherever it is now. -["Users/MikeIvanov"] + Well, making decisions based on "feeling" definately seems like the logical thing to do. Joking aside, why not host somewhere in Davis? If you're going to co-locate, ISPs usually offer that, too (my webhosting firm's server farm is in San Diego, else I'd be plugging them)... It'd be kind of cool to make it a fully Davis operation, wouldn't it? Plus, no driving to Santa Rosa if things go south! --["Users/DomenicSantangelo"] + By "feeling" I really meant ownership and peace of mind rather than "warm and fuzzy." I guess those can be pretty close, though. But my understanding is the hosts in town don't offer a reasonable solution for us. It would be great to be hosted in Davis, just doesn't seem to be in the cards for now. The Santa Rosa offer is to share a cabinet with a company already paying for the whole thing, which really reduces the cost of our share. -["Users/MikeIvanov"]
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- * Right now, we don't need a ton of processor power, but the option to add more would be nice. I think a dual processor Xeon or Opteron motherboard like [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131560 this one] ($300) with a single CPU (for now) would be a good bet. Also, $650 is a bit steep. - ["ArlenAbraham" arlen]	+ * Right now, we don't need a ton of processor power, but the option to add more would be nice. I think a dual processor Xeon or Opteron motherboard like [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131560 this one] ($300) with a single CPU (for now) would be a good bet. Also, $650 is a bit steep. - ["Users/ArlenAbraham" arlen]
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- * Another note: the motherboard used in this package is basically the same as what Sun uses for their AMD64 workstations and low-end servers. Industry backing is a plus, and Tyan is historically a rather good server solutions manufacturer. - ["AmitVainsencher" AV] - * Seconded. Most of my to order servers are Tyan. Excellent motherboards. -- ["JabberWokky" jw]	+ * Another note: the motherboard used in this package is basically the same as what Sun uses for their AMD64 workstations and low-end servers. Industry backing is a plus, and Tyan is historically a rather good server solutions manufacturer. - ["Users/AmitVainsencher" AV] + * Seconded. Most of my to order servers are Tyan. Excellent motherboards. -- ["Users/JabberWokky" jw]
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- * Athlon64 dual core 3800 - Estimated cost: $300 - ["AmitVainsencher" AV] - * I think this is more expensive than it's worth. We'd probably be better off with Xeons or Opterons. - ["ArlenAbraham" arlen] - * Opterons are significantly more expensive than Athlon64s. Beyond that, I guess choosing between AMD and Intel is a preference thing. Personally, I like AMD more since I've had good experiences with their processors. Also this processor gives us two cores, saving money that might go to a dual CPU motherboard. - ["AmitVainsencher" AV]	+ * Athlon64 dual core 3800 - Estimated cost: $300 - ["Users/AmitVainsencher" AV] + * I think this is more expensive than it's worth. We'd probably be better off with Xeons or Opterons. - ["Users/ArlenAbraham" arlen] + * Opterons are significantly more expensive than Athlon64s. Beyond that, I guess choosing between AMD and Intel is a preference thing. Personally, I like AMD more since I've had good experiences with their processors. Also this processor gives us two cores, saving money that might go to a dual CPU motherboard. - ["Users/AmitVainsencher" AV]
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- * Two 1GB PC3200 ECC DIMMs - Estimated cost: $250 - ["AmitVainsencher" AV] - * This particular server needs a lot of memory, probably 4 gigs. If we get a motherboard with four slots and want to upgrade ram, you're going to need 2x2gb sticks, which are expensive. - ["ArlenAbraham" Arlen]	+ * Two 1GB PC3200 ECC DIMMs - Estimated cost: $250 - ["Users/AmitVainsencher" AV] + * This particular server needs a lot of memory, probably 4 gigs. If we get a motherboard with four slots and want to upgrade ram, you're going to need 2x2gb sticks, which are expensive. - ["Users/ArlenAbraham" Arlen]
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- * Two 74GB Western Digital Raptor hard drives (10K RPM, Serial ATA) - Estimated cost: $300 (These would be configured in a RAID1 for data redundancy) - ["AmitVainsencher" AV] - * Raptors are nice, but expensive for the amount of storage they provide. On the plus side, they have five year warranties. Also, if you're limited by the number of drive bays (most 1U cases have three bays), you max out quickly. SATA is definitely the way to go (faster than IDE, cheaper than SCSI). Rather than raptors, I think that we should get a few intermediately sized drives, like 250GB, and put them in RAID 5. A hot spare would be nice, but no one is going to lose money if the wiki goes down for a few hours while we rebuild the RAID. - ["ArlenAbraham" arlen]	+ * Two 74GB Western Digital Raptor hard drives (10K RPM, Serial ATA) - Estimated cost: $300 (These would be configured in a RAID1 for data redundancy) - ["Users/AmitVainsencher" AV] + * Raptors are nice, but expensive for the amount of storage they provide. On the plus side, they have five year warranties. Also, if you're limited by the number of drive bays (most 1U cases have three bays), you max out quickly. SATA is definitely the way to go (faster than IDE, cheaper than SCSI). Rather than raptors, I think that we should get a few intermediately sized drives, like 250GB, and put them in RAID 5. A hot spare would be nice, but no one is going to lose money if the wiki goes down for a few hours while we rebuild the RAID. - ["Users/ArlenAbraham" arlen]
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- * Personally, I don't trust the larger "consumer grade" drives with high activity and the burden of being constantly on. In my experience, such drives don't last very long in server situations. However, we definitely need to find a middle ground between price, size, and reliability... when I made my initial post I was under the impression that the server would never need more than 74GB. - ["AmitVainsencher" AV]	+ * Personally, I don't trust the larger "consumer grade" drives with high activity and the burden of being constantly on. In my experience, such drives don't last very long in server situations. However, we definitely need to find a middle ground between price, size, and reliability... when I made my initial post I was under the impression that the server would never need more than 74GB. - ["Users/AmitVainsencher" AV]
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- * If we want to do anything fancy like RAID 5 or matrix RAID, we'll need a SATA RAID controller. I don't know much about these. - ["ArlenAbraham" arlen]	+ * If we want to do anything fancy like RAID 5 or matrix RAID, we'll need a SATA RAID controller. I don't know much about these. - ["Users/ArlenAbraham" arlen]
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- Price estimates were found through [http://www.pricewatch.com/ Pricewatch]. This configuration would cost roughly $1600. -["AmitVainsencher" AV]	+ Price estimates were found through [http://www.pricewatch.com/ Pricewatch]. This configuration would cost roughly $1600. -["Users/AmitVainsencher" AV]
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- ''Are you considering purchasing a built server? It may be cheaper and will save the trouble of configuring the hardware. The hard part, of course, is finding something that fits what we need, but it shouldn't be all that hard. For example, [http://www.visionman.com/Rackmount-Server/VCPRE1USUP.htm this setup] is pretty close, but I don't know anything about this company. In a couple of weeks I should be able to help out with some funds. Should we set a deadline for a week before New Year's or so to have a built server?'' -["MikeIvanov"]	+ ''Are you considering purchasing a built server? It may be cheaper and will save the trouble of configuring the hardware. The hard part, of course, is finding something that fits what we need, but it shouldn't be all that hard. For example, [http://www.visionman.com/Rackmount-Server/VCPRE1USUP.htm this setup] is pretty close, but I don't know anything about this company. In a couple of weeks I should be able to help out with some funds. Should we set a deadline for a week before New Year's or so to have a built server?'' -["Users/MikeIvanov"]
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- ''I'd strongly recommend buying a pre-configured server rather than building your own. If you throw in all the extra shipping charges and, most of all, time spent hunting down the "best" prices and dealing with inevitable vendor SNAFUs, you're going to spend a lot more resources building your own than you would buying something from a server vendor. PN mentioned that http://www.siliconmechanics.com/ is strongly recommended by the LiveJournal folks, and I've been reasonably happy with Dell.'' - ["GrahamFreeman"]	+ ''I'd strongly recommend buying a pre-configured server rather than building your own. If you throw in all the extra shipping charges and, most of all, time spent hunting down the "best" prices and dealing with inevitable vendor SNAFUs, you're going to spend a lot more resources building your own than you would buying something from a server vendor. PN mentioned that http://www.siliconmechanics.com/ is strongly recommended by the LiveJournal folks, and I've been reasonably happy with Dell.'' - ["Users/GrahamFreeman"]
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- ''This is an offer we cannot afford to pass up no matter which route we decide to go. I have every confidence in Amit's skills, even from one brief interaction with him online.'' -["MikeIvanov"]	+ ''This is an offer we cannot afford to pass up no matter which route we decide to go. I have every confidence in Amit's skills, even from one brief interaction with him online.'' -["Users/MikeIvanov"]
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- * ''I can afford to throw in about $400 out of pocket, currently. I may likely be able to contribute more after Christmas due to gifts as well as a job (but I'm not positive I will be getting said job).'' --["PhilipNeustrom"] - * ''I could put down about $150'' - ["AmitVainsencher" AV] - * ''My contribution is really kind of a wild card, but unless things go terribly wrong in the next two weeks, I can definitely match Philip's ($400 at least). I really think we should set some target sums/dates.'' -["MikeIvanov"]	+ * ''I can afford to throw in about $400 out of pocket, currently. I may likely be able to contribute more after Christmas due to gifts as well as a job (but I'm not positive I will be getting said job).'' --["Users/PhilipNeustrom"] + * ''I could put down about $150'' - ["Users/AmitVainsencher" AV] + * ''My contribution is really kind of a wild card, but unless things go terribly wrong in the next two weeks, I can definitely match Philip's ($400 at least). I really think we should set some target sums/dates.'' -["Users/MikeIvanov"]
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- How about, as suggested, we go with Dec. 27th as the deadline to have the stuff purchased -- thus giving us time over ["Winter Break"] to get configuration done. We will have $~1050 in personal contributions, but having more than that would give us much more leverage. We should set a deadline for collecting funds for Dec. 19th, giving about a week for the parts to ship. Any ideas for fundraising? --["PhilipNeustrom"]	+ How about, as suggested, we go with Dec. 27th as the deadline to have the stuff purchased -- thus giving us time over ["Winter Break"] to get configuration done. We will have $~1050 in personal contributions, but having more than that would give us much more leverage. We should set a deadline for collecting funds for Dec. 19th, giving about a week for the parts to ship. Any ideas for fundraising? --["Users/PhilipNeustrom"]
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- Just to be clear, are there additional costs involved in maintaining the wiki till '07, or is this it? I recommend teaming up with MSN and having lots of pop up ads. Just kidding. I recommend having some kind of a please donate for the holidays kind of message on the front page. I think a lot of people would be willing to donate over the next year, and a little goading to have them do it now instead wouldn't hurt. Alternatively, we can contact one of those shirt making places, and sell ["Wiki Shirts"] at 100% markup. ["CraigBrozinsky"]	+ Just to be clear, are there additional costs involved in maintaining the wiki till '07, or is this it? I recommend teaming up with MSN and having lots of pop up ads. Just kidding. I recommend having some kind of a please donate for the holidays kind of message on the front page. I think a lot of people would be willing to donate over the next year, and a little goading to have them do it now instead wouldn't hurt. Alternatively, we can contact one of those shirt making places, and sell ["Wiki Shirts"] at 100% markup. ["Users/CraigBrozinsky"]
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- We will still have to pay for the hosting costs, as we do now. This is an ''extra'' cost because we need to purchase hardware, which is unfortunate, but it happens. I am thinking of getting a bunch of shirts made and selling them for donations, but I'm not sure I will have time to do this (if anyone else does, do it!). Last year we raised a total of $1000 -- which entirely offset the hosting costs. I'm confident we can keep doing that. --["PhilipNeustrom"]	+ We will still have to pay for the hosting costs, as we do now. This is an ''extra'' cost because we need to purchase hardware, which is unfortunate, but it happens. I am thinking of getting a bunch of shirts made and selling them for donations, but I'm not sure I will have time to do this (if anyone else does, do it!). Last year we raised a total of $1000 -- which entirely offset the hosting costs. I'm confident we can keep doing that. --["Users/PhilipNeustrom"]
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- The sale of ["Wiki Shirts"] is underway. --["GrahamFreeman"]	+ The sale of ["Wiki Shirts"] is underway. --["Users/GrahamFreeman"]
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- Emailed ["Samplistic Records" Samplistic Records] about a proposal to sell Samplistic CDs on behalf of DavisWiki - initial response is favourable, but this isn't yet working out as well as the ["Wiki Shirts"]. --["GrahamFreeman"]	+ Emailed ["Samplistic Records" Samplistic Records] about a proposal to sell Samplistic CDs on behalf of DavisWiki - initial response is favourable, but this isn't yet working out as well as the ["Wiki Shirts"]. --["Users/GrahamFreeman"]

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ArlenAbraham — 2008-03-15 10:32:05

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- Our colocation expenses are currently USD$50/mo.	+ Our colocation expenses are approximately USD$70/mo.

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GrahamFreeman — 2007-05-17 18:13:22

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- There are several other Wikis hosted on the system, including [http://rocwiki.org/ Rochester Wiki], [http://scwiki.org/ Santa Cruz Wiki], [http://ant-hill.org/ The Ant Hill Housing Cooperative], and [http://projectsycamore.org/ Project Sycamore], but DavisWiki is by far the largest.	+ There are several other Wikis hosted on the system, including [http://scwiki.org/ Santa Cruz Wiki], [http://ant-hill.org/ The Ant Hill Housing Cooperative], and [http://projectsycamore.org/ Project Sycamore], but DavisWiki is by far the largest.

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GrahamFreeman — 2006-10-23 12:16:49

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- There are several other Wikis hosted on the system, including [http://rocwiki.org/ RocWiki], [http://scwiki.org/ SCWiki], [http://ant-hill.org/ The Ant Hill Housing Cooperative], and [http://projectsycamore.org/ Project Sycamore], but DavisWiki is by far the largest.	+ There are several other Wikis hosted on the system, including [http://rocwiki.org/ Rochester Wiki], [http://scwiki.org/ Santa Cruz Wiki], [http://ant-hill.org/ The Ant Hill Housing Cooperative], and [http://projectsycamore.org/ Project Sycamore], but DavisWiki is by far the largest.

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GrahamFreeman — 2006-10-22 04:55:29

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- We are hosted in ["Cernio Technology Cooperative" Cernio]'s cabinet at United Layer's facility in the 200 Paul data center in San Francisco. There are several other Wikis hosted on the system, including [http://rocwiki.org/ RocWiki], [http://scwiki.org/ SCWiki], [http://ant-hill.org/ The Ant Hill Housing Cooperative], and [http://projectsycamore.org/ Project Sycamore], but DavisWiki is by far the largest.	+ We currently have just one server - a 1U rack-mount machine with a 2.0GHz Athlon64 dual core processor (x2 3200+), 4GB of ECC memory and 200GB of RAID1 storage. The server is based on a Tyan Transport barebone package and runs Gentoo Linux.
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- The server hardware includes a 2.0GHz Athlon64 dual core processor (x2 3200+) with 4GB of ECC memory and 200GB of RAID1 storage. The server is based on a Tyan Transport barebone package and runs Gentoo Linux.	+ We are hosted in ["Cernio Technology Cooperative" Cernio]'s cabinet at United Layer's facility in the 200 Paul data center in San Francisco. We recently moved the server from Cernio's half-cab at Sonic.net's facility in Santa Rosa to take advantage of better pricing, connectivity, and logistics.
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	+ + There are several other Wikis hosted on the system, including [http://rocwiki.org/ RocWiki], [http://scwiki.org/ SCWiki], [http://ant-hill.org/ The Ant Hill Housing Cooperative], and [http://projectsycamore.org/ Project Sycamore], but DavisWiki is by far the largest.

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GrahamFreeman — 2006-10-22 04:50:32

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- Currently (2005-11-18) the Wiki is hosted on a dedicated machine through [http://1and1.com]. The machine is a 3GHz hyperthreaded P4 with 1GB RAM, 120GB HD. The plan includes for 500GB/month transfer. However, the hosting plan will expire in two months, and the plans are purchased in one-year intervals. This doesn't mean we'll get kicked off our current machine; it just means we have the option of leaving. We share our server with [wiki:RocWiki:Front_Page RocWiki.org].	+ We are hosted in ["Cernio Technology Cooperative" Cernio]'s cabinet at United Layer's facility in the 200 Paul data center in San Francisco. There are several other Wikis hosted on the system, including [http://rocwiki.org/ RocWiki], [http://scwiki.org/ SCWiki], [http://ant-hill.org/ The Ant Hill Housing Cooperative], and [http://projectsycamore.org/ Project Sycamore], but DavisWiki is by far the largest.
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- We are unable to upgrade the current machine, even if we mail them RAM, etc. Ideally, we'd like to have a server colocated someplace so that we can upgrade it ourselves. The cost of the current hosting plan is $100/month.	+ The server hardware includes a 2.0GHz Athlon64 dual core processor (x2 3200+) with 4GB of ECC memory and 200GB of RAID1 storage. The server is based on a Tyan Transport barebone package and runs Gentoo Linux.
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- We will likely take the [wiki:WikiPedia:Colocation colocation] route. We can occupy up to 4U at [http://sonic.net Sonic.net] in some of ["Cernio" Cernio]'s rackspace in [wiki:WikiPedia:Santa_Rosa%2C_CA Santa Rosa, CA]. We will pay to be colocated, possibly in a cooperative-type environment, but the costs will likely be about the same (if not less) than we are paying now (which is a Good Thing!)	+ Our colocation expenses are currently USD$50/mo.
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- Now it's a matter of planning what equipment we need, how much it will cost, and how we will cover those costs. Of course, the more money you have the better equipment you can get. So, perhaps it would be best to look at ways of raising money, a time interval, and a definite amount that's needed to get something decent.	+ Below is the discussion that took place when we were debating whether and how to purchase and colocate our own server equipment.

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LukeCrawford — 2006-05-28 02:22:31

Oops! forgot to comment my last change. I added an offer of free co-lo space

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- ["LukeCrawford"] of [http://prgmr.com] has a full rack (2 post) in the community cage at herakles data (It's down by Fry's) and a 100 megabit commit. You are welcome to drop a 1u server in, or if you don't mind NetBSD, I can give you a NetBSD/xen server with 2G ram and a 10G slice of my raid 1+0 fibre channel disk without charging you. You are welcome to use this setup for a primary or a backup. Serial consoles and remote rebooters will be provided either way.	+ ["LukeCrawford"] of [http://prgmr.com/] has a full rack (2 post) in the community cage at herakles data (It's down by Fry's) and a 100 megabit commit. You are welcome to drop a 1u server in, or if you don't mind NetBSD, I can give you a NetBSD/xen server with 2G ram and a 10G slice of my raid 1+0 fibre channel disk without charging you. You are welcome to use this setup for a primary or a backup. Serial consoles and remote rebooters will be provided either way.

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LukeCrawford — 2006-05-28 02:20:25

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AmitVainsencher — 2006-04-11 12:51:37

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- The old memory needs to be sold to recover costs. As such, we're selling (4) STT D400 1G 64X8 ECC DIMMs (memory). They work fine, just not with nforce4 chipsets which is why we have to sell them. $70 a piece or better offer.	+ The old memory needs to be sold to recover costs. As such, we're selling (4) [http://www.supertalent.com/SuperTalentMemory/products/product_detail.php?PN=D32EB1GW STT D400 1G 64X8 ECC DIMMs] (memory). They work fine, just not with nforce4 chipsets which is why we have to sell them. $70 a piece or better offer. We've managed to sell two of these sticks, but two more are still up for grabs. They've been verified working on various P4 motherboards (by the manufacturer), on an Athlon64 Socket 754 (with a VIA chipset), and a Dual Athlon MP system (both by us).
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- We hope to move the machine to the colocation facility on the weekend of the the first of April, or very soon thereafter.	+ The new system was installed in Cernio's cabinet at Sonic.net on the evening of April 5th (picture below!). It's been completely stable since the installation of the new memory, and we're in the process of moving data over to it for the site transition. Thanks for all the help, Graham!
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PhilipNeustrom — 2006-04-06 02:43:10

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	+ + = Awesome photos of the machine in the data center = + [[Thumbnail(wikiserver_2006_04_05.jpg, 500)]]

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PhilipNeustrom — 2006-04-06 02:41:04

Upload of image wikiserver_2006_04_05.jpg.

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PhilipNeustrom — 2006-03-30 21:39:04

minor updates, almost there

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NickSchmalenberger — 2006-03-29 18:45:47

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- In this context, colocation (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colocation ), or colo for short, means renting physical space, an Internet connection, electrical power, and physical security in a central facility whose amenities and capabilities far surpass anything an individual or small company could build on their own.	+ In this context, colocation (see [wiki:WikiPedia:Colocation] ), or colo for short, means renting physical space, an Internet connection, electrical power, and physical security in a central facility whose amenities and capabilities far surpass anything an individual or small company could build on their own.
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PhilipNeustrom — 2006-03-29 17:34:41

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PhilipNeustrom — 2006-03-29 17:34:14

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PhilipNeustrom — 2006-03-29 17:34:10

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- We are currently setting the machine up. We've run into some snags with the way Linux deals with the BIOS/memory, but ["AmitVainsencher"] is hard at work trying to get everything settled. - What exactly is the issue? Is it SMP related? What kernel are you running, stock or compile yourself? Compiling your own kernel for your own hardware situation can solve alot of problems. If you compile only one thing yourself, it should be the kernel. -["NickSchmalenberger"] - The issue is a pathological one associated with the 32-bit compatibility cruft in the BIOS. We have 4GB of memory for the system, which would use up all 32-bit addressable space on the system. Linux's and the BIOS' solution is to implement a memory hole wherein only 3GB is 32-bit addressable, and the other 1GB of addressable space is saved for legacy devices (there are devices integrated on the board which require this). The other 1GB of physical memory is mapped out of range of these devices. If everything was done correctly by the BIOS and OS, everything would be peachy, but evidently something is being done wrong. - The problem is manifests itself in random correctable/uncorrectable ECC memory errors or kernel panics in memory management kernel calls. There's a lot of people out there that have the same problem right now, as of kernel 2.6.15's release. Removing any one of the DIMMs (thus reducing to 3GB physical memory) solves the issue. Also, disabling one of the cores on the processor seems to solve it. Seeing as how neither of these are acceptable solutions, I'm still investigating what's possible. My current situation's promising... The system's been up for 4+ hours of stress testing, where in the past it hasn't survived more than 1.5 without showing symptoms. As for your kernel-related question, I'm currently using the first gentoo-patched release of 2.6.15, which I've configured by hand. If you've got any other questions or suggestions (both are welcome!), my contact info is on my user page. - ["AmitVainsencher" AV] -

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PhilipNeustrom — 2006-03-29 17:32:17

note on memory issues

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PhilipNeustrom — 2006-03-09 18:27:22

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PhilipNeustrom — 2006-03-09 01:41:12

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PhilipNeustrom — 2006-03-03 13:12:06

mobo wasn't the issue.

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PhilipNeustrom — 2006-02-15 00:01:35

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PhilipNeustrom — 2006-02-15 00:01:15

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SteveDavison — 2006-02-05 09:12:15

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- Currently (11-18-2005) the wiki is hosted on a dedicated machine through [http://1and1.com]. The machine is a 3Ghz hyperthreaded P4 with 1GB RAM, 120GB HD. The plan includes for 500GB/month transfer. However, the hosting plan will expire in two months, and the plans are purchased in one-year intervals. This doesn't mean we'll get kicked off our current machine; it just means we have the option of leaving. We share our server with [wiki:RocWiki:Front_Page RocWiki.org].	+ Currently (2005-11-18) the Wiki is hosted on a dedicated machine through [http://1and1.com]. The machine is a 3GHz hyperthreaded P4 with 1GB RAM, 120GB HD. The plan includes for 500GB/month transfer. However, the hosting plan will expire in two months, and the plans are purchased in one-year intervals. This doesn't mean we'll get kicked off our current machine; it just means we have the option of leaving. We share our server with [wiki:RocWiki:Front_Page RocWiki.org].
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- In this context, colocation (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colocation ), or colo for short, means renting physical space, an internet connection, electrical power, and physical security in a central facility whose amenities and capabilities far surpass anything an individual or small company could build on their own.	+ In this context, colocation (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colocation ), or colo for short, means renting physical space, an Internet connection, electrical power, and physical security in a central facility whose amenities and capabilities far surpass anything an individual or small company could build on their own.
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- The problem is manifests itself in random correctable/uncorrectable ECC memory errors or kernel panics in memory management kernel calls. There's a lot of people out there that have the same problem right now, as of kernel 2.6.15's release. Removing any one of the DIMMs (thus reducing to 3GB physical memory) solves the issue. Also, disabling one of the cores on the processor seems to solve it. Seeing as how neither of these are acceptable solutions, I'm still investigating what's possible. My current situation's promising... The system's been up for 4+ hours of stress testing, where in the past it hasn't survived more than 1.5 without showing symptoms. As for your kernel-related question, I'm currently using the first gentoo-patched release of 2.6.15, which I've configued by hand. If you've got any other questions or suggestions (both are welcome!), my contact info is on my user page. - ["AmitVainsencher" AV]	+ The problem is manifests itself in random correctable/uncorrectable ECC memory errors or kernel panics in memory management kernel calls. There's a lot of people out there that have the same problem right now, as of kernel 2.6.15's release. Removing any one of the DIMMs (thus reducing to 3GB physical memory) solves the issue. Also, disabling one of the cores on the processor seems to solve it. Seeing as how neither of these are acceptable solutions, I'm still investigating what's possible. My current situation's promising... The system's been up for 4+ hours of stress testing, where in the past it hasn't survived more than 1.5 without showing symptoms. As for your kernel-related question, I'm currently using the first gentoo-patched release of 2.6.15, which I've configured by hand. If you've got any other questions or suggestions (both are welcome!), my contact info is on my user page. - ["AmitVainsencher" AV]

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GrahamFreeman — 2006-01-14 17:52:14

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PhilipNeustrom — 2006-01-14 14:03:58

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AmitVainsencher — 2006-01-13 19:58:53

reply to Nick's comment

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	+ The issue is a pathological one associated with the 32-bit compatibility cruft in the BIOS. We have 4GB of memory for the system, which would use up all 32-bit addressable space on the system. Linux's and the BIOS' solution is to implement a memory hole wherein only 3GB is 32-bit addressable, and the other 1GB of addressable space is saved for legacy devices (there are devices integrated on the board which require this). The other 1GB of physical memory is mapped out of range of these devices. If everything was done correctly by the BIOS and OS, everything would be peachy, but evidently something is being done wrong. + The problem is manifests itself in random correctable/uncorrectable ECC memory errors or kernel panics in memory management kernel calls. There's a lot of people out there that have the same problem right now, as of kernel 2.6.15's release. Removing any one of the DIMMs (thus reducing to 3GB physical memory) solves the issue. Also, disabling one of the cores on the processor seems to solve it. Seeing as how neither of these are acceptable solutions, I'm still investigating what's possible. My current situation's promising... The system's been up for 4+ hours of stress testing, where in the past it hasn't survived more than 1.5 without showing symptoms. As for your kernel-related question, I'm currently using the first gentoo-patched release of 2.6.15, which I've configued by hand. If you've got any other questions or suggestions (both are welcome!), my contact info is on my user page. - ["AmitVainsencher" AV]

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NickSchmalenberger — 2006-01-13 17:47:36

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	+ What exactly is the issue? Is it SMP related? What kernel are you running, stock or compile yourself? Compiling your own kernel for your own hardware situation can solve alot of problems. If you compile only one thing yourself, it should be the kernel. -["NickSchmalenberger"]

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PhilipNeustrom — 2006-01-13 16:28:22

slight update

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- The following items were purchased on 2005-12-26: (4) STT D400 1G/64X8 ECC Memory, (1)Tyan Transport GT20 B2865G20S4H SATA 1U Server Platform, (1) Chenbro 24" Mounting Rail Set for RM124, (2) Maxtor 7Y250M0 250GB Serial ATA 7200rpm 8MB cache Hard Drive, (1) AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor 3800+* (2.0GHz) Retail. We are currently setting the machine up, but it should be operational fairly soon.	+ The following items were purchased on 2005-12-26: (4) STT D400 1G/64X8 ECC Memory, (1)Tyan Transport GT20 B2865G20S4H SATA 1U Server Platform, (1) Chenbro 24" Mounting Rail Set for RM124, (2) Maxtor 7Y250M0 250GB Serial ATA 7200rpm 8MB cache Hard Drive, (1) AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor 3800+* (2.0GHz) Retail.
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PhilipNeustrom — 2006-01-04 13:33:22

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GrahamFreeman — 2005-12-28 10:38:59

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GrahamFreeman — 2005-12-28 01:02:33

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- I emailed ["Ink Monkey Graphics" Ink Monkey Graphics] about t-shirts & sweatshirts. The owner responded that he'd be willing to sell shirts with the DavisWiki logo at cost if he could also throw his company's logo on. We're emailing back and forth over the details. --["GrahamFreeman"] - Sounds like a good idea!	+ The sale of ["Wiki Shirts"] is underway. --["GrahamFreeman"]
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- Emailed ["Samplistic Records" Samplistic Records] about a similar proposal - initial response is favourable. --["GrahamFreeman"]	+ Emailed ["Samplistic Records" Samplistic Records] about a proposal to sell Samplistic CDs on behalf of DavisWiki - initial response is favourable, but this isn't yet working out as well as the ["Wiki Shirts"]. --["GrahamFreeman"]

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GrahamFreeman — 2005-12-28 00:34:42

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SteveDavison — 2005-12-27 20:24:24

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SteveDavison — 2005-12-27 20:23:00

Date was fubar

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-12-15 15:28:53

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- My contribution is really kind of a wild card, but unless things go terribly wrong in the next two weeks, I can definitely match Philip's ($400 at least). I really think we should set some target sums/dates. -["MikeIvanov"]	+ How about, as suggested, we go with Dec. 27th as the deadline to have the stuff purchased -- thus giving us time over ["Winter Break"] to get configuration done. We will have $~1050 in personal contributions, but having more than that would give us much more leverage. We should set a deadline for collecting funds for Dec. 19th, giving about a week for the parts to ship. Any ideas for fundraising? --["PhilipNeustrom"]
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- ''How about, as suggested, we go with Dec. 27th as the deadline to have the stuff purchased -- thus giving us time over ["Winter Break"] to get configuration done. We will have $~950 in personal contributions, but having more than that would give us much more leverage. We should set a deadline for collecting funds for Dec. 19th, giving about a week for the parts to ship. Any ideas for fundraising?'' --["PhilipNeustrom"]	+ Just to be clear, are there additional costs involved in maintaining the wiki till '07, or is this it? I recommend teaming up with MSN and having lots of pop up ads. Just kidding. I recommend having some kind of a please donate for the holidays kind of message on the front page. I think a lot of people would be willing to donate over the next year, and a little goading to have them do it now instead wouldn't hurt. Alternatively, we can contact one of those shirt making places, and sell ["Wiki Shirts"] at 100% markup. ["CraigBrozinsky"]
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- * Just to be clear, are there additional costs involved in maintaining the wiki till '07, or is this it? I recommend teaming up with MSN and having lots of pop up ads. Just kidding. I recommend having some kind of a please donate for the holidays kind of message on the front page. I think a lot of people would be willing to donate over the next year, and a little goading to have them do it now instead wouldn't hurt. Alternatively, we can contact one of those shirt making places, and sell ["Wiki Shirts"] at 100% markup. ["CraigBrozinsky"]	+ We will still have to pay for the hosting costs, as we do now. This is an ''extra'' cost because we need to purchase hardware, which is unfortunate, but it happens. I am thinking of getting a bunch of shirts made and selling them for donations, but I'm not sure I will have time to do this (if anyone else does, do it!). Last year we raised a total of $1000 -- which entirely offset the hosting costs. I'm confident we can keep doing that. --["PhilipNeustrom"]
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PaulThober — 2005-12-06 18:38:19

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GrahamFreeman — 2005-12-06 16:29:24

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-12-02 15:40:03

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GrahamFreeman — 2005-12-02 09:43:12

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GrahamFreeman — 2005-12-02 09:42:17

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-12-01 23:06:45

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GrahamFreeman — 2005-12-01 23:06:15

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GrahamFreeman — 2005-12-01 23:03:58

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GrahamFreeman — 2005-12-01 22:58:46

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- * We will still have to pay for the hosting costs, as we do now. This is an ''extra'' cost because we need to purchase hardware, which is unfortunate, but it happens. I am thinking of getting a bunch of shirts made and selling them for donations, but I'm not sure I will have time to do this (if anyone else does, do it!). Last year we raised a total of $1000 -- which entirely offset the hosting costs. I'm confident we can keep doing that.	+ * We will still have to pay for the hosting costs, as we do now. This is an ''extra'' cost because we need to purchase hardware, which is unfortunate, but it happens. I am thinking of getting a bunch of shirts made and selling them for donations, but I'm not sure I will have time to do this (if anyone else does, do it!). Last year we raised a total of $1000 -- which entirely offset the hosting costs. I'm confident we can keep doing that. --["PhilipNeustrom"] + * I emailed ["Ink_Monkey_Graphics" Ink Monkey Graphics] about t-shirts & sweatshirts. I'll post back and see what they say. --["GrahamFreeman"]

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-12-01 21:51:53

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CraigBrozinsky — 2005-12-01 21:36:54

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-12-01 20:40:33

funds input

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	+ + ------ + Why in the world is co-location even being talked about? How big IS this site?! --["DomenicSantangelo"] + We are running off of a dedicated machine right now, and it's in a data center. It would be no different, except that we would own the server and have physical access to it (and be able to upgrade it). We were in a shared hosting environment a year ago but ate up too much RAM and CPU for that to work (and we also need root to install software, etc). We're not talking about owning a rack -- just putting a single machine in someone else's space and paying for the space/bandwidth. It would actually be ''cheaper'' than the $100/month we pay now, in all likelihood. If you're wondering about traffic figures, I can provide those (last I checked it was ~6000 unique hits/day, ~2GB/day transfer) but keep in mind that serving up dynamic content is much harder than static content. + + Colocation is not that big of a deal, really. + + Yeah, I mean, I work for a webhosting firm so I have an idea of what's involved... I just didn't realize the wiki was so large in size. 2GB/transfer isn't ''that'' big, but the RAM and CPU figures would be interesting to see. --["DomenicSantangelo"] + + I think the main thing is to plan ahead on all fronts, which we started doing from the beginning, and which Philip continues especially on the programming side, so this seems like a very opportune time to upgrade our hosting. Plus it would just feel better to have the server in Santa Rosa rather than in New York or wherever it is now. -["MikeIvanov"] + Well, making decisions based on "feeling" definately seems like the logical thing to do. Joking aside, why not host somewhere in Davis? If you're going to co-locate, ISPs usually offer that, too (my webhosting firm's server farm is in San Diego, else I'd be plugging them)... It'd be kind of cool to make it a fully Davis operation, wouldn't it? Plus, no driving to Santa Rosa if things go south! --["DomenicSantangelo"] + By "feeling" I really meant ownership and peace of mind rather than "warm and fuzzy." I guess those can be pretty close, though. But my understanding is the hosts in town don't offer a reasonable solution for us. It would be great to be hosted in Davis, just doesn't seem to be in the cards for now. The Santa Rosa offer is to share a cabinet with a company already paying for the whole thing, which really reduces the cost of our share. -["MikeIvanov"] + ["Omsoft"] is the only place you can throw a server in Davis, and they are somewhat pricey. Sacramento colo seems to be on the shady end of things, too. I wish we could be in Davis, too, but Santa Rosa beats New York. +
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JabberWokky — 2005-12-01 07:32:59

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	+ * Seconded. Most of my to order servers are Tyan. Excellent motherboards. -- ["JabberWokky" jw]

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AmitVainsencher — 2005-12-01 01:48:24

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	+ * Another note: the motherboard used in this package is basically the same as what Sun uses for their AMD64 workstations and low-end servers. Industry backing is a plus, and Tyan is historically a rather good server solutions manufacturer. - ["AmitVainsencher" AV]

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GrahamFreeman — 2005-11-29 21:51:31

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GrahamFreeman — 2005-11-29 21:25:42

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SteveDavison — 2005-11-29 19:21:35

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ArlenAbraham — 2005-11-29 18:29:07

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GrahamFreeman — 2005-11-29 17:53:00

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- We will likely take the [wiki:WikiPedia:Colocation colocation] route. We can occupy 1-2U at [http://sonic.net sonic.net] in some of [http://www.cernio.com/ Cernio]'s rackspace in [wiki:WikiPedia:Santa_Rosa%2C_CA Santa Rosa, CA]. We will pay to be colocated, possibly in a cooperative-type environment, but the costs will likely be about the same (if not less) than we are paying now (which is a Good Thing!)	+ We will likely take the [wiki:WikiPedia:Colocation colocation] route. We can occupy 1-2U at [http://sonic.net Sonic.net] in some of [http://www.cernio.com/ Cernio]'s rackspace in [wiki:WikiPedia:Santa_Rosa%2C_CA Santa Rosa, CA]. We will pay to be colocated, possibly in a cooperative-type environment, but the costs will likely be about the same (if not less) than we are paying now (which is a Good Thing!)
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- ''You're welcome to use up to 4U as long as you use it wisely.'' --["GrahamFreeman"] (Cernio guy)	+ == Colocation == + + === Background and Definitions === + + In this context, colocation (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colocation ), or colo for short, means renting physical space, an internet connection, electrical power, and physical security in a central facility whose amenities and capabilities far surpass anything an individual or small company could build on their own. + + Physical space is almost always measured in Rack Units, or "RU", or just "U" - see http://www.sizes.com/units/rack_unit.htm . Each U is 1.75 inches tall. + + Power consumption is usually measured in Amps as measured at any given point of time, rather than Kilowatt-hours used over the course of a month as PG&E measures. It's assumed that all equipment in a colo facility is always on - fluctuations are usually relatively minor and vary with disk and CPU use. + + Network use is usually billed per-GB-transferred-per-month on lower-end contracts, and using the 95th percentile measurement on higher-end contracts. With the 95th percentile measurement, transfer rates are measured every 5 minutes over the course of a month. The highest 5% of the usage is ignored, and the bill is based on the average usage for the remaining 95% of the time. + + === Available to DavisWiki.org === + + ["GrahamFreeman" Graham Freeman] of ["Cernio" Cernio] has a half-cabinet (21U) at the enterprise-class Sonic.net datacenter in Santa Rosa. Cernio has offered to make up to 4U of space, 2 Amps of power, 2 public static IP addresses, 512Kbps@95%, and physical access available to the DavisWiki.org project on a cooperative basis. This means that DavisWiki would pay for what it uses based on the actual cost of these resources - Cernio will not attempt to make money off of the deal. Cernio would benefit by having increased purchasing power and by working closely with good-natured, community-minded, competent, technically skilled people.

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-11-28 09:11:11

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- ["Omsoft"] is the only place you can throw a server in Davis, and they are somewhat pricey. Sacramento colo seems to be on the shady end of things, too.	+ ["Omsoft"] is the only place you can throw a server in Davis, and they are somewhat pricey. Sacramento colo seems to be on the shady end of things, too. I wish we could be in Davis, too, but Santa Rosa beats New York.

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MikeIvanov — 2005-11-28 02:48:04

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MikeIvanov — 2005-11-28 02:41:20

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	+ + By "feeling" I really meant ownership and peace of mind rather than "warm and fuzzy." I guess those can be pretty close, though. But my understanding is the hosts in town don't offer a reasonable solution for us. It would be great to be hosted in Davis, just doesn't seem to be in the cards for now. The Santa Rosa offer is to share a cabinet with a company already paying for the whole thing, which really reduces the cost of our share. -["MikeIvanov"]

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DomenicSantangelo — 2005-11-28 01:45:47

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	+ + Well, making decisions based on "feeling" definately seems like the logical thing to do. Joking aside, why not host somewhere in Davis? If you're going to co-locate, ISPs usually offer that, too (my webhosting firm's server farm is in San Diego, else I'd be plugging them)... It'd be kind of cool to make it a fully Davis operation, wouldn't it? Plus, no driving to Santa Rosa if things go south! --["DomenicSantangelo"]

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AmitVainsencher — 2005-11-27 21:05:42

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AmitVainsencher — 2005-11-27 21:01:15

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- * We are currently using a total of 13GB on our machine, including the OS, etc. 74GB would certainly be enough space, but it might get in the way of: 1) Allowing for new things that would potentially take up more space, such as uploads of any size 2) Hosting more local wikis on our machine to bring our bottom line down. Also, we would almost certainly eventually fill up the 74GB, but it would take a while if all factors were kept the same as they are now.	+ * We are currently using a total of 13GB on our machine, including the OS, etc. 74GB would certainly be enough space, but it might get in the way of: 1) Allowing for new things that would potentially take up more space, such as uploads of any size 2) Hosting more local wikis on our machine to bring our bottom line down. Also, we would almost certainly eventually fill up the 74GB, but it would take a while if all factors were kept the same as they are now. + * Personally, I don't trust the larger "consumer grade" drives with high activity and the burden of being constantly on. In my experience, such drives don't last very long in server situations. However, we definitely need to find a middle ground between price, size, and reliability... when I made my initial post I was under the impression that the server would never need more than 74GB. - ["AmitVainsencher" AV] +
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MikeIvanov — 2005-11-27 19:29:56

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	+ + I think the main thing is to plan ahead on all fronts, which we started doing from the beginning, and which Philip continues especially on the programming side, so this seems like a very opportune time to upgrade our hosting. Plus it would just feel better to have the server in Santa Rosa rather than in New York or wherever it is now. -["MikeIvanov"]

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DomenicSantangelo — 2005-11-27 18:58:26

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GrahamFreeman — 2005-11-27 16:58:47

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GrahamFreeman — 2005-11-27 15:38:57

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-11-27 14:48:52

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-11-27 14:47:35

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- We are running off of a dedicated machine right now, and it's in a data center. It would be no different, except that we would own the server and have physical access to it (and be able to upgrade it). We were in a shared hosting environment a year ago but ate up too much RAM and CPU for that to work. We're not talking about owning a rack -- just putting a single machine in someone else's space and paying for the space/bandwidth. It would actually be ''cheaper'' than the $100/month we pay now, in all likelihood. If you're wondering about traffic figures, I can provide those (last I checked it was ~6000 unique hits/day, ~2GB/day transfer) but keep in mind that serving up dynamic content is much harder than static content.	+ We are running off of a dedicated machine right now, and it's in a data center. It would be no different, except that we would own the server and have physical access to it (and be able to upgrade it). We were in a shared hosting environment a year ago but ate up too much RAM and CPU for that to work (and we also need root to install software, etc). We're not talking about owning a rack -- just putting a single machine in someone else's space and paying for the space/bandwidth. It would actually be ''cheaper'' than the $100/month we pay now, in all likelihood. If you're wondering about traffic figures, I can provide those (last I checked it was ~6000 unique hits/day, ~2GB/day transfer) but keep in mind that serving up dynamic content is much harder than static content.

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-11-27 14:40:25

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- We are running off of a dedicated machine right now, and it's in a data center. It would be no different, except that we would own the server and have physical access to it (and be able to upgrade it). We were in a shared hosting environment a year ago but ate up too much RAM and CPU for that to work. We're not talking about owning a rack -- just putting a single machine in someone else's space and paying for the space/bandwidth. It would actually be ''cheaper'' than the $100/month we pay now, in all likelihood. If you're wondering about traffic figures, I can provide those (last I checked it was ~6000 unique hits/day, ~2GB/day transfer)	+ We are running off of a dedicated machine right now, and it's in a data center. It would be no different, except that we would own the server and have physical access to it (and be able to upgrade it). We were in a shared hosting environment a year ago but ate up too much RAM and CPU for that to work. We're not talking about owning a rack -- just putting a single machine in someone else's space and paying for the space/bandwidth. It would actually be ''cheaper'' than the $100/month we pay now, in all likelihood. If you're wondering about traffic figures, I can provide those (last I checked it was ~6000 unique hits/day, ~2GB/day transfer) but keep in mind that serving up dynamic content is much harder than static content.

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-11-27 14:39:02

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- Currently (11-18-2005) the wiki is hosted on a dedicated machine through [http://1and1.com]. The machine is a 3Ghz hyperthreaded P4 with 1GB RAM, 120GB HD. The plan includes for 500GB/month transfer. However, the hosting plan will expire in two months, and the plans are purchased in one-year intervals. This doesn't mean we'll get kicked off our current machine; it just means we have the option of leaving.	+ Currently (11-18-2005) the wiki is hosted on a dedicated machine through [http://1and1.com]. The machine is a 3Ghz hyperthreaded P4 with 1GB RAM, 120GB HD. The plan includes for 500GB/month transfer. However, the hosting plan will expire in two months, and the plans are purchased in one-year intervals. This doesn't mean we'll get kicked off our current machine; it just means we have the option of leaving. We share our server with [wiki:RocWiki:Front_Page RocWiki.org].

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-11-27 14:36:56

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	+ ---- + Why in the world is co-location even being talked about? How big IS this site?! --["DomenicSantangelo"] + We are running off of a dedicated machine right now, and it's in a data center. It would be no different, except that we would own the server and have physical access to it (and be able to upgrade it). We were in a shared hosting environment a year ago but ate up too much RAM and CPU for that to work. We're not talking about owning a rack -- just putting a single machine in someone else's space and paying for the space/bandwidth. It would actually be ''cheaper'' than the $100/month we pay now, in all likelihood. If you're wondering about traffic figures, I can provide those (last I checked it was ~6000 unique hits/day, ~2GB/day transfer)

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MikeIvanov — 2005-11-27 14:29:59

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- '''Are you considering purchasing a built server? It may be cheaper and will save the trouble of configuring the hardware. The hard part, of course, is finding something that fits what we need, but it shouldn't be all that hard. For example, [http://www.visionman.com/Rackmount-Server/VCPRE1USUP.htm this setup] is pretty close, but I don't know anything about this company. In a couple of weeks I should be able to help out with some funds. Should we set a deadline for a week before New Year's or so to have a built server?''' -["MikeIvanov"]	+ ''Are you considering purchasing a built server? It may be cheaper and will save the trouble of configuring the hardware. The hard part, of course, is finding something that fits what we need, but it shouldn't be all that hard. For example, [http://www.visionman.com/Rackmount-Server/VCPRE1USUP.htm this setup] is pretty close, but I don't know anything about this company. In a couple of weeks I should be able to help out with some funds. Should we set a deadline for a week before New Year's or so to have a built server?'' -["MikeIvanov"]

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MikeIvanov — 2005-11-27 14:29:36

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DomenicSantangelo — 2005-11-27 14:27:44

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-11-27 14:01:57

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-11-27 13:46:52

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- Now it's a matter of planning what equipment we need, how much it will cost, and how we will cover those costs. Of course, the more money you have the better equipment you can get. So, perhaps it would be best to look at ways of rasing money, a time interval, and a definite amount that's needed to get something decent.	+ Now it's a matter of planning what equipment we need, how much it will cost, and how we will cover those costs. Of course, the more money you have the better equipment you can get. So, perhaps it would be best to look at ways of raising money, a time interval, and a definite amount that's needed to get something decent.
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ArlenAbraham — 2005-11-27 13:42:53

found a decent mobo, question about RAID Controller

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ArlenAbraham — 2005-11-27 12:30:02

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- * Two 74GB Western Digital Raptor hard drives (10K RPM, Serial ATA) - Estimated cost: $350 (These would be configured in a RAID1 for data redundancy) - * Raptors are nice, but 74gigs of RAID 1 just isn't enough space for Davis Wiki and Roc Wiki. However, SATA is definiatley the way to go (faster than IDE, cheaper than SCSI). I think that we should get a few intermediately sized drives, like 250GB and put them in RAID 5. A hot spare would be nice, but no one is going to lose money if the wiki goes down for a few hours while we rebuild the RAID. - ["ArlenAbraham" arlen]	+ * Two 74GB Western Digital Raptor hard drives (10K RPM, Serial ATA) - Estimated cost: $300 (These would be configured in a RAID1 for data redundancy) + * Raptors are nice, but expensive for the ammount of storage they provide. On the plus side, they have five year warranties. Also, if you're limited by the number of drive bays (most 1U cases have three bays), you max out quickly. SATA is definiatley the way to go (faster than IDE, cheaper than SCSI). Rather than raptors, I think that we should get a few intermediately sized drives, like 250GB, and put them in RAID 5. A hot spare would be nice, but no one is going to lose money if the wiki goes down for a few hours while we rebuild the RAID. - ["ArlenAbraham" arlen]

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-11-27 11:55:14

Revert to version dated 2005-11-27 11:50:13.

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-11-27 11:54:23

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ArlenAbraham — 2005-11-27 10:58:19

i blame laptop keyboards

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ArlenAbraham — 2005-11-27 10:57:03

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	+ * I think this is more expensive than it's worth. We'd probably be better off with Xeons or Opterons. - ["ArlenAbraham" arlen] + === Memory ===
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	+ * This particular server needs a lot of memory, probably 4 gigs. If we get a motherboard with four slots and want to upgrade ram, you're going to need 2x2gb sticks, which are expensive. - ["ArlenAbraham" arlen] + === Storage ===
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	+ * Raptors are nice, but 74gigs of RAID 1 just isn't enough space for Davis Wiki and Roc Wiki. However, SATA is definiatley the way to go (faster than IDE, cheaper than SCSI). I think that we should get a few intermediately sized drives, like 250GB and put them in RAID 5. A hot spare would be nice, but no one is going to lose money if the wiki goes down for a few hours while we rebuild the RAID. - ["ArlenAbraham" arlen] + === Case === + * Needs 1U or 2U. Redundant powersupplies would be an additional ~$200. Any suggestions?

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-11-27 00:17:52

some colo info

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- It's looking like we will take the colocation option. ''I found someone who is willing and has some open rack space, and there would not be tremendious costs. However, we would need to put together/purchase a server.'' --["PhilipNeustrom"]	+ We will likely take the [wiki:WikiPedia:Colocation colocation] route. We can occupy 1-2U at [http://sonic.net sonic.net] in some of [http://www.cernio.com/ Cernio]'s rackspace in [wiki:WikiPedia:Santa_Rosa%2C_CA Santa Rosa, CA]. We will pay to be colocated, possibly in a cooperative-type environment, but the costs will likely be about the same (if not less) than we are paying now (which is a Good Thing!)
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AmitVainsencher — 2005-11-27 00:03:57

Adding system recommendations

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	+ + = Initial Recommendations for a System = + * [http://www.tyan.com/products/html/gt20b2865_spec.html Tyan Transport GT20 B2865] (1U) - Estimated cost: $650 + * Athlon64 dual core 3800 - Estimated cost: $300 + * Two 1GB PC3200 ECC DIMMs - Estimated cost: $250 + * Two 74GB Western Digital Raptor hard drives (10K RPM, Serial ATA) - Estimated cost: $350 (These would be configured in a RAID1 for data redundancy) + Price estimates were found through [http://www.pricewatch.com/ Pricewatch]. This configuration would cost roughly $1600. -["AmitVainsencher" AV]

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-11-26 23:41:26

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	+ + = Buying a server = + We can occupy 1-2U of space in the rack. This means that we can opt for a 2U or a 1U machine.

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-11-24 03:10:57

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- === Possible routes to take === - 1. Throw together a bad ass server and colocate it. - * Pros: The price of the hosting is probably about the same if we shop around hard enough. We have physical access, can upgrade our machine, and can move our machine elsewhere if need be. - * Cons: We have to buy a server, or at least some major parts to a server. The cost seems to be around $2k. - 2. Keep what we've got.	+ It's looking like we will take the colocation option. ''I found someone who is willing and has some open rack space, and there would not be tremendious costs. However, we would need to put together/purchase a server.'' --["PhilipNeustrom"]
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- === Colocation providers and questions === - * [http://www.unitedlayer.com/services/collocation.html United Layer: $100/month for 1U colocation] with 1Mbps connection. Pro: Seems cheap. Con: It's in SF. - * [http://omsoft.com/services/colocation/ Omsoft] $100/month for 1U with 512kbs connection, billed with [http://www.frii.com/support/knowledgebase/viewArticle.php?articleID=193 95th percentile method]. Pro: In Davis! Con: Not that cheap. Will not give Davis Wiki a discount. - * Alternative route.. - - ''Where is the server located? Davis?'' We are essentially 'leasing' our server from this company, and they house it on the East Coast. - - ----- - ''The colocation route is looking like it may work out. I found someone who is willing and has some open rack space, and there would not be tremendious costs. However, we would need to put together/purchase a server.'' --["PhilipNeustrom"]	+ Now it's a matter of planning what equipment we need, how much it will cost, and how we will cover those costs. Of course, the more money you have the better equipment you can get. So, perhaps it would be best to look at ways of rasing money, a time interval, and a definite amount that's needed to get something decent.

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-11-22 21:55:10

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- * Cons: We have to buy a server, or at least some major parts to a server. What's the cost of this?	+ * Cons: We have to buy a server, or at least some major parts to a server. The cost seems to be around $2k.

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-11-22 21:53:32

update

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SteveDavison — 2005-11-19 22:14:32

where located?

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ArlenAbraham — 2005-11-19 08:46:12

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- * [http://omsoft.com/services/colocation/ Omsoft] $100/month for 1U with 512kbs connection, billed with [http://www.frii.com/support/knowledgebase/viewArticle.php?articleID=193 95th percentile method]. Pro: In Davis! Con: Not that cheap.	+ * [http://omsoft.com/services/colocation/ Omsoft] $100/month for 1U with 512kbs connection, billed with [http://www.frii.com/support/knowledgebase/viewArticle.php?articleID=193 95th percentile method]. Pro: In Davis! Con: Not that cheap. Will not give Davis Wiki a discount.

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-11-18 21:27:07

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- * [http://www.unitedlayer.com/services/collocation.html United Layer: $100/month for 1U colocation] with 1Mbps connection. Con: It's in SF. - * [http://omsoft.com/services/colocation/ Omsoft] $100/month for 1U with 512kbs connection, billed with [http://www.frii.com/support/knowledgebase/viewArticle.php?articleID=193 95th percentile method].	+ * [http://www.unitedlayer.com/services/collocation.html United Layer: $100/month for 1U colocation] with 1Mbps connection. Pro: Seems cheap. Con: It's in SF. + * [http://omsoft.com/services/colocation/ Omsoft] $100/month for 1U with 512kbs connection, billed with [http://www.frii.com/support/knowledgebase/viewArticle.php?articleID=193 95th percentile method]. Pro: In Davis! Con: Not that cheap.

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-11-18 21:16:03

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- * [http://omsoft.com/services/colocation/ Omsoft] $100/month for 1U with 512kbs connection, billed with [.http://www.frii.com/support/knowledgebase/viewArticle.php?articleID=193 95th percentile method].	+ * [http://omsoft.com/services/colocation/ Omsoft] $100/month for 1U with 512kbs connection, billed with [http://www.frii.com/support/knowledgebase/viewArticle.php?articleID=193 95th percentile method].

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-11-18 21:15:48

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- * [http://omsoft.com/services/colocation/ Omsoft] $100/month for 1U with 512kbs connection.	+ * [http://omsoft.com/services/colocation/ Omsoft] $100/month for 1U with 512kbs connection, billed with [.http://www.frii.com/support/knowledgebase/viewArticle.php?articleID=193 95th percentile method].

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-11-18 21:00:09

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- * [http://www.unitedlayer.com/services/collocation.html United Layer: $100/month for 1U colocation] with 1Mbps connection.	+ * [http://www.unitedlayer.com/services/collocation.html United Layer: $100/month for 1U colocation] with 1Mbps connection. Con: It's in SF. + * [http://omsoft.com/services/colocation/ Omsoft] $100/month for 1U with 512kbs connection.

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PhilipNeustrom — 2005-11-18 16:54:10

resurrected!!

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- #redirect System Info	+ Currently (11-18-2005) the wiki is hosted on a dedicated machine through [http://1and1.com]. The machine is a 3Ghz hyperthreaded P3 with 1GB RAM, 120GB HD. The plan includes for 500GB/month transfer. However, the hosting plan will expire in two months, and the plans are purchased in one-year intervals. This doesn't mean we'll get kicked off our current machine; it just means we have the option of leaving. + + We are unable to upgrade the current machine, even if we mail them RAM, etc. Ideally, we'd like to have a server colocated someplace so that we can upgrade it ourselves. The cost of the current hosting plan is $100/month. + + === Possible routes to take === + 1. Throw together a bad ass server and colocate it. + * Pros: The price of the hosting is probably about the same if we shop around hard enough. + * Cons: We have to buy a server, or at least some major parts to a server. What's the cost of this? + 2. Keep what we've got. + + === Colocation providers and questions === + * [http://www.unitedlayer.com/services/collocation.html United Layer: $100/month for 1U colocation] with 1Mbps connection. + + How does billing based upon Mbps rather than total monthly bandwidth work? Is 1Mbps enough bandwidth? 1Mbps = 128k/second.