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Winter 2008 ASUCD Election

JasonAller — 2008-09-28 17:34:50

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- * She definitely had that going for her. Plus, she worked really hard, had a diverse voter base, passionate supporters, and is really qualified and inteligent. Kinda like the "perfect storm" candidate. -["JamesSchwab"]	+ * She definitely had that going for her. Plus, she worked really hard, had a diverse voter base, passionate supporters, and is really qualified and inteligent. Kinda like the "perfect storm" candidate. -["Users/JamesSchwab"]

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JasonAller — 2008-09-13 11:55:29

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- * I think it would be great to get a clip of Ivan yelling "You can't stop me, I'm the Juggernaut bitch!" -["JamesSchwab"]	+ * I think it would be great to get a clip of Ivan yelling "You can't stop me, I'm the Juggernaut bitch!" -["Users/JamesSchwab"]
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- * I was in the dorms a couple weeks ago talking to students about ASUCD, Andrew was too. We're bad bad people. -["GregWebb"] - * It's a poor situation that this matter is taken so jokingly. The visitation logs on the elections server have shown for the past few elections a series of votes coming from one dorm room, then the one next to it a few minutes later, then the next, then the next, etc in this highly artificial manner. - ["ChrisThielen"]	+ * I was in the dorms a couple weeks ago talking to students about ASUCD, Andrew was too. We're bad bad people. -["Users/GregWebb"] + * It's a poor situation that this matter is taken so jokingly. The visitation logs on the elections server have shown for the past few elections a series of votes coming from one dorm room, then the one next to it a few minutes later, then the next, then the next, etc in this highly artificial manner. - ["Users/ChrisThielen"]
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- * I think there is a bit of a contradiction there. I agree that the Aggie didn't cover any of the election scandals and that there were no major ASUCD scandals or threats during the Fall 2007 election. Furthermore, I agree that there was a lot of drama and unproductive intensity, from what I heard. However, the Fall 2007 election saw the highest voter turnout in a Fall election in a long, long time. The turnout was even higher than the Winter 2007 election which had a fee referendum to "Save Unitrans". I think Andrew was close to the mark in regards to winter '08's low candidate turnout, however I think the "why bother" mentality came from the long hours and hardwork both sides put in. I think potential candidates might have been a bit put off by the amount of hours needed to win...the top two victorious senators in Fall 2007 both broke vote-getting records. Isn't that what people want out of an election? - Candidates and there supporters trying to engage as many students as possible and talking to them about the issues. Of course there is going to be conflict, that's the nature of an election in any country, at any level of government. - ["JamesSchwab"]	+ * I think there is a bit of a contradiction there. I agree that the Aggie didn't cover any of the election scandals and that there were no major ASUCD scandals or threats during the Fall 2007 election. Furthermore, I agree that there was a lot of drama and unproductive intensity, from what I heard. However, the Fall 2007 election saw the highest voter turnout in a Fall election in a long, long time. The turnout was even higher than the Winter 2007 election which had a fee referendum to "Save Unitrans". I think Andrew was close to the mark in regards to winter '08's low candidate turnout, however I think the "why bother" mentality came from the long hours and hardwork both sides put in. I think potential candidates might have been a bit put off by the amount of hours needed to win...the top two victorious senators in Fall 2007 both broke vote-getting records. Isn't that what people want out of an election? - Candidates and there supporters trying to engage as many students as possible and talking to them about the issues. Of course there is going to be conflict, that's the nature of an election in any country, at any level of government. - ["Users/JamesSchwab"]
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- * I believe what Ivan meant was; in the past the Aggie actually went through candidate by candidate and explained why they endorsed them and even gave more shout outs to candidates they didn't. Sometimes they would even discuss major issues. The Aggie, like its been since Eddie Lee took over, has been lazy in its coverage of ASUCD stuff. I dont think Ivan was questioning who they endorsed but the fact they didn't explain themselves. I think its a disservice to candidates like you that would like to know why as well as the populace reading them. Its an editorial, they should editorialize! - ["JamesSchwab"]	+ * I believe what Ivan meant was; in the past the Aggie actually went through candidate by candidate and explained why they endorsed them and even gave more shout outs to candidates they didn't. Sometimes they would even discuss major issues. The Aggie, like its been since Eddie Lee took over, has been lazy in its coverage of ASUCD stuff. I dont think Ivan was questioning who they endorsed but the fact they didn't explain themselves. I think its a disservice to candidates like you that would like to know why as well as the populace reading them. Its an editorial, they should editorialize! - ["Users/JamesSchwab"]
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- Schwartz, Webb, Blanco, Dietrich and Dayalji will bring eloquence and good ideas to student government," is from this Tuesday's Aggie. For the average student who knows little about ASUCD or the candidates all you can gather about this is that you guys like teamwork. This is a pathetic endorsement. I don't care who they choose to endorse, bur if they are going to make a endorsement they should, you know, delve deeper than 'they'll make a good team' and you know, be journalists. - - --["Users/MattBlair"]	+ Schwartz, Webb, Blanco, Dietrich and Dayalji will bring eloquence and good ideas to student government," is from this Tuesday's Aggie. For the average student who knows little about ASUCD or the candidates all you can gather about this is that you guys like teamwork. This is a pathetic endorsement. I don't care who they choose to endorse, bur if they are going to make a endorsement they should, you know, delve deeper than 'they'll make a good team' and you know, be journalists. --["Users/MattBlair"]

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OscarSabino — 2008-05-24 14:59:55

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	+ ------ + ''2008-05-24 15:59:55'' [[nbsp]] I must say that at first I was apprehensive about Carrillo but he seems to be doing a pretty good job. --["Users/OscarSabino"]

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JamesSchwab — 2008-02-26 07:23:25

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	+ + On Tuesday, February 26 Aggie columnist James Noonan [http://media.www.californiaaggie.com/media/storage/paper981/news/2008/02/26/Opinion/On.Apathy-3234553.shtml wrote about voter apathy.]

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GregWebb — 2008-02-25 21:45:48

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-25 21:45:48'' [[nbsp]] I like the spike of 7th place votes I received, glad to know LEAD likes me enough to almost vote for me. Those 109 people that ranked me 9th are haters though. --["Users/GregWebb"]

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EliYani — 2008-02-25 21:36:55

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- One reason for this is the apparent collapse of the GO leadership. ["GO"], a new slate formed from Focus last year, failed to recruit anyone as a candidate for President and Vice President, which likely speaks to internal divisions. Additionally, GO/Focus had a traditionally Greek base, much of which may go to ["Interfraternity Council"] President Andrew Bianchi, who is running with LEAD. GO who had invested so much in the ["Fall 2007 ASUCD Election" previous election] without any real change in their fortunes, simply did not have the momentum to organize a large-scale campaign for this election.	+ One reason for this is the apparent collapse of the GO leadership. ["GO"], a new slate formed from Focus last year, failed to recruit anyone as a candidate for President and Vice President, which likely speaks to internal divisions. Additionally, GO/Focus had a traditionally Greek base, much of which may have gone to ["Interfraternity Council"] President Andrew Bianchi, who ran with LEAD. GO who had invested so much in the ["Fall 2007 ASUCD Election" previous election] without any real change in their fortunes, simply did not have the momentum to organize a large-scale campaign for this election.

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WilliamLewis — 2008-02-25 21:21:11

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	+ + = Votes received = + + \|\| \|\|1\|\|2\|\|3\|\|4\|\|5\|\|6\|\|7\|\|8\|\|9\|\| + \|\|Andrew Bianchi\|\|531\|\|314\|\|195\|\|139\|\|119\|\|123\|\|76\|\|87\|\|53\|\| + \|\|Chris Dietrich\|\|251\|\|237\|\|154\|\|97\|\|84\|\|90\|\|130\|\|148\|\|61\|\| + \|\|Erica Oropeza\|\|314\|\|213\|\|197\|\|223\|\|171\|\|157\|\|86\|\|73\|\|63\|\| + \|\|Greg Webb\|\|98\|\|102\|\|162\|\|99\|\|95\|\|114\|\|154\|\|127\|\|109\|\| + \|\|Poonam Dayalji\|\|191\|\|223\|\|287\|\|254\|\|237\|\|161\|\|75\|\|64\|\|31\|\| + \|\|Ramneek Saini\|\|257\|\|217\|\|197\|\|255\|\|205\|\|165\|\|67\|\|60\|\|59\|\| + \|\|Rebecca Schwartz\|\|584\|\|424\|\|286\|\|200\|\|168\|\|91\|\|43\|\|30\|\|18\|\| + \|\|Sergio Blanco\|\|194\|\|212\|\|240\|\|221\|\|227\|\|189\|\|88\|\|65\|\|41\|\| + \|\|H. Seigenfeld\|\|178\|\|208\|\|73\|\|53\|\|59\|\|54\|\|102\|\|112\|\|302\|\| + \|\|Totals\|\|2598\|\|2150\|\|1791\|\|1541\|\|1365\|\|1144\|\|821\|\|766\|\|737\|\| +

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PaulAmnuaypayoat — 2008-02-25 19:17:28

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-25 19:17:28'' [[nbsp]] reply to Chris --["Users/PaulAmnuaypayoat"]

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BrentLaabs — 2008-02-25 18:36:27

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	+ * How can you be sure your friend wasn't lying to you? --["Users/BrentLaabs"]

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ChrisThielen — 2008-02-25 17:44:48

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	+ * It's a poor situation that this matter is taken so jokingly. The visitation logs on the elections server have shown for the past few elections a series of votes coming from one dorm room, then the one next to it a few minutes later, then the next, then the next, etc in this highly artificial manner. - ["ChrisThielen"]

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GregWebb — 2008-02-25 01:43:43

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-25 01:43:43'' [[nbsp]] I assume H got the most last-place votes, because he didn't have a statement. --["Users/GregWebb"]

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EliYani — 2008-02-24 22:12:58

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- The Winter 2008 ["ASUCD Elections" ASUCD Election] occured. We think there was voting on the 20 and 21 of February, but it was hard to be sure given the lack of publicity for this election.	+ The Winter 2008 ["ASUCD Elections" ASUCD Election] occured. Voting started on Wednesday, February 21st, and ended on Friday, February 23rd.

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WilliamLewis — 2008-02-24 21:54:32

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	+ Nope. That's just the senate race. Unfortunately, creative media is lame and hasn't published the blt files, so I can't find out who won it this time. I'm upset that the campus apparently didn't like hammocks. :( Btw, I <3 you. Come by ["ΨΦ"] sometime and say hello. --["Users/WilliamLewis"]

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LauraNevins — 2008-02-24 21:26:42

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-24 21:26:42'' [[nbsp]] -yeah- do i get to be the most hated person on campus again? cus that was... kinda fun. ;) --["Users/LauraNevins"]

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PaulAmnuaypayoat — 2008-02-24 19:23:40

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-24 19:23:40'' [[nbsp]] Is anyone gonna add any data, such as who got the most last place votes, etc? --["Users/PaulAmnuaypayoat"]

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ivancarrillo — 2008-02-24 11:23:35

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-24 11:23:35'' [[nbsp]] She does exist. A friend of mine told me that she lived in the dorms with Andrea. --["Users/ivancarrillo"]

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ChrisDietrich — 2008-02-23 16:43:59

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-23 16:43:59'' [[nbsp]] Andrea Thomas doesn't exist??? --["Users/ChrisDietrich"]

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JoseBleckman — 2008-02-22 16:52:13

Revert to version 210 (It has in the past.).

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	+ * ["Users/JoseBleckman" J. Bleckman] + * For Senate + * ["Greg Webb"] + * ["Chris Dietrich"] + * ["H Seigenfeld"]

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EliYani — 2008-02-22 16:43:15

Does the opinion of any one person really matter?

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- * ["Users/JoseBleckman" J. Bleckman] - * For Senate - * ["Greg Webb"] - * ["Chris Dietrich"] - * ["H Seigenfeld"]

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GregWebb — 2008-02-22 15:45:45

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-22 15:45:45'' [[nbsp]] I'm proud to have given Sergio the votes he needed to prevail over the soft money candidate. --["Users/GregWebb"]

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GregWebb — 2008-02-22 15:30:27

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	+ *StuFo wins 3 seats!!!

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JoseBleckman — 2008-02-22 14:58:59

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	+ * Damnit, Greg. For a second you had me thinking StuFo had come out of nowhere and turned Dietrich and 2 LEAD kids to the yellow zone. --["Users/JoseBleckman"]

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JamesSchwab — 2008-02-22 14:49:44

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- * http://media.www.californiaaggie.com/media/storage/paper981/news/2006/11/20/CampusNews/Asucd.Election.Results.Announced-2469953.shtml	+ * http://media.www.californiaaggie.com/media/storage/paper981/news/2006/11/20/CampusNews/Asucd.Election.Results.Announced-2469953.shtml + * She definitely had that going for her. Plus, she worked really hard, had a diverse voter base, passionate supporters, and is really qualified and inteligent. Kinda like the "perfect storm" candidate. -["JamesSchwab"]

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JamesSchwab — 2008-02-22 14:33:31

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-22 14:33:31'' [[nbsp]] ["Rebecca Schwartz"] received 586 #1 votes, putting in her 3rd place of the all time #1 vote receivers since Choice Voting was adopted. --["Users/JamesSchwab"]

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GregWebb — 2008-02-22 14:26:58

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-22 14:26:58'' [[nbsp]] Bleckman did very well considering he ran with someone that doesn't exist. --["Users/GregWebb"]

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JoseBleckman — 2008-02-22 14:11:51

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GregWebb — 2008-02-22 12:10:27

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GregWebb — 2008-02-22 11:30:51

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GregWebb — 2008-02-22 11:25:33

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-22 11:25:33'' [[nbsp]] 98 VOTES! --["Users/GregWebb"]

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-22 11:07:04'' [[nbsp]] Hammocks would be best to support the students, much better than gossamer idealism. --["Users/DavidPoole"]

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JoseBleckman — 2008-02-22 08:11:13

still contestin' that coronation

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- The Winter 2008 ["ASUCD Elections" ASUCD Election] is coming soonish. We think there's going to be voting on the 20 and 21 of February, but it's hard to be sure given the lack of publicity for this election.	+ The Winter 2008 ["ASUCD Elections" ASUCD Election] occured. We think there was voting on the 20 and 21 of February, but it was hard to be sure given the lack of publicity for this election.
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- ''2007-12-01 17:32:09'' [[nbsp]] The coronation and their welcoming committee will not go uncontested. --["Users/JoseBleckman"]	+ ''2007-12-01 17:32:09'' [[nbsp]] The coronation and their welcoming committee will not go uncontested. --["Users/JoseBleckman" J. Bleckman, potential President-elect]

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JamesSchwab — 2008-02-21 08:13:34

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-21 08:13:34'' [[nbsp]] I think a new controversy needs to be added to the Aggie controversies page. --["Users/JamesSchwab"]

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AndrewBianchi — 2008-02-21 04:03:43

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-21 04:03:43'' [[nbsp]] Hey all! You're right Joe, teamwork is possible without IFC experience. The endorsement article was beyond lacking. The lack of publicity for elections is the Elections Committee's fault. The lack of publicity for the opening day of elections is both the EC and the Aggie's fault. Lesson: There's little/no consistency in elections coverage, WHOOPS. Everyone who cares should come to Media Board. If I lose Senate, I'll still be a voting member as a Student Rep. Yip! --["Users/AndrewBianchi"]

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JamesSchwab — 2008-02-20 15:04:24

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	+ * People do and are. -["JamesSchwab"]

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EmilyTung — 2008-02-20 14:41:11

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-20 14:41:11'' [[nbsp]] See, I don't appreciate the action-less commentary. "They need to do a better job." It all sounds so one sided. If the Aggie is within the realms of your governing body, then perhaps it would be in your best interest to exercise your ability to influence the Aggie. It's easy to criticize and bitch about how the Aggie "doesn't do their job well", but I would like to see how we can encourage better quality in their publications. So unless someone can provide a great way to get the Aggie on top of their shit (even if that means firing a few people), I really think everyone should keep their problems with the Aggie to themselves. If you have a problem with it, go to Media Board meetings, air your grievances, and provide solutions. --["Users/EmilyTung"]

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JamesSchwab — 2008-02-20 13:36:37

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- Voter turnout was increased dramatically this past fall with the help of the Aggie's coverage and enthusiastic campaigning, but then they somehow forgot the Winter election was happening....they literally forgot. Of course good coverage is a privilege, just like good enterainment is. But what is a right is the right to criticize the body that provides the bad news coverage. In the past the Aggie did sloppy jobs, over critcized, and over editorialize but at least they worked and at least allowed letters to the editor. As the future President-elect of the ASUCD, which has millions of dollars invested in the Aggie, Ivan has every right to criticize them and their management; and through the media board an ASUCD rep can tell the Aggie how to do their job. No one is trying to tell the Aggie what to write, but to just do a good job. --["Users/JamesSchwab"]	+ Voter turnout was increased dramatically this past fall with the help of the Aggie's coverage and enthusiastic campaigning, but then they somehow forgot the Winter election was happening....they literally forgot. Of course good coverage is a privilege, just like good enterainment is. But what is a right is the right to criticize the body that provides the bad news coverage. In the past the Aggie did sloppy jobs, over critcized, and over editorialize but at least they worked and at least allowed letters to the editor. As the future President-elect of the ASUCD, which has millions of dollars invested in the Aggie, Ivan has every right to criticize them and their management; and through the media board an ASUCD rep can tell the Aggie how to do their job. No one is trying to tell the Aggie what to write, but to just do a good job. But I agree, vote for Bianchi....who is also very critical of the Aggie. --["Users/JamesSchwab"]

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JamesSchwab — 2008-02-20 13:35:04

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-20 13:35:04'' [[nbsp]] The criticism of the Aggie has nothing to do with voter apathy, but editor apathy. The lazy editorial is just another symptom of the various problems facing the Aggie, which could go weekly very if it continues down its current path. + Voter turnout was increased dramatically this past fall with the help of the Aggie's coverage and enthusiastic campaigning, but then they somehow forgot the Winter election was happening....they literally forgot. Of course good coverage is a privilege, just like good enterainment is. But what is a right is the right to criticize the body that provides the bad news coverage. In the past the Aggie did sloppy jobs, over critcized, and over editorialize but at least they worked and at least allowed letters to the editor. As the future President-elect of the ASUCD, which has millions of dollars invested in the Aggie, Ivan has every right to criticize them and their management; and through the media board an ASUCD rep can tell the Aggie how to do their job. No one is trying to tell the Aggie what to write, but to just do a good job. --["Users/JamesSchwab"]

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-20 12:12:26'' [[nbsp]] While we can all agree that the Aggie should be doing a better job with the editorials and keeping up with ASUCD events, honestly, consider a well written and in depth coverage of the election by the campus newspaper to be a privilege, not a right. I think the media has a responsibility to appropriately cover issues at hand, but as soon-to-be elected officials you have no right to tell the Aggie how to do their job. While the Aggie should rise to the occasion of doing so, ultimately, it is your responsibility to decrease voter apathy. Let's not forget those moments in time where the Aggie "over editorialized" the accomplishments of many ASUCD people (ahem*Entertainment Council) and how we didn't appreciate the "bad press" they generated. Consider the lack of press a nice break from what was written in the previous years. + + Andy Bianchi #1! --["Users/EmilyTung"]

Winter 2008 ASUCD Election

JoseBleckman — 2008-02-20 07:46:53

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- The Winter 2008 ["ASUCD Elections" ASUCD Election] is coming soonish. We think there's going to be voting on the 21 and 22 of February, but it's hard to be sure given the lack of publicity for this election.	+ The Winter 2008 ["ASUCD Elections" ASUCD Election] is coming soonish. We think there's going to be voting on the 20 and 21 of February, but it's hard to be sure given the lack of publicity for this election.

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JoseBleckman — 2008-02-20 07:46:05

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- * Indeed. Conflicts of interest are uncool. I did make it a point to talk to the editorial board, though, to give them a chance to jump on me if any of my ideas seemed too off of the wall. During our conversation I got the impression that they hadn't actually read the ASUCD budget. It's out of their typical realm of coverage, to be fair, but that did disappoint me. --["Users/JoseBleckman"]	+ * Indeed. Conflicts of interest are uncool. I did make it a point to talk to the editorial board, though, to give them a chance to jump on me if any of my ideas seemed too off of the wall. During our conversation I got the impression that they hadn't actually read the ASUCD budget. It's out of their typical realm of coverage, of course, but that did disappoint me. --["Users/JoseBleckman"]

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JoseBleckman — 2008-02-20 07:43:54

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- * I believe what Ivan meant was; in the past the Aggie actually went through candidate by candidate and explained why they endorsed them and even gave more shout outs to candidates they didn't. Sometimes they would even discuss major issues. The Aggie, like its been since Eddie Lee took over, has been lazy in its coverage of ASUCD stuff. I dont think Ivan was questioning who they endorsed but the fact they didn't explain themselves. I think its a disservice to candidates like you that would like to know why as well as the populace reading them. Its an editorial, they should editorialize! - ["JamesSchwab"]	+ * Indeed. Conflicts of interest are uncool. I did make it a point to talk to the editorial board, though, to give them a chance to jump on me if any of my ideas seemed too off of the wall. During our conversation I got the impression that they hadn't actually read the ASUCD budget. It's out of their typical realm of coverage, to be fair, but that did disappoint me. --["Users/JoseBleckman"] + * I believe what Ivan meant was; in the past the Aggie actually went through candidate by candidate and explained why they endorsed them and even gave more shout outs to candidates they didn't. Sometimes they would even discuss major issues. The Aggie, like its been since Eddie Lee took over, has been lazy in its coverage of ASUCD stuff. I dont think Ivan was questioning who they endorsed but the fact they didn't explain themselves. I think its a disservice to candidates like you that would like to know why as well as the populace reading them. Its an editorial, they should editorialize! - ["JamesSchwab"]
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JamesSchwab — 2008-02-20 07:34:51

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	+ * I believe what Ivan meant was; in the past the Aggie actually went through candidate by candidate and explained why they endorsed them and even gave more shout outs to candidates they didn't. Sometimes they would even discuss major issues. The Aggie, like its been since Eddie Lee took over, has been lazy in its coverage of ASUCD stuff. I dont think Ivan was questioning who they endorsed but the fact they didn't explain themselves. I think its a disservice to candidates like you that would like to know why as well as the populace reading them. Its an editorial, they should editorialize! - ["JamesSchwab"]

Winter 2008 ASUCD Election

ivancarrillo — 2008-02-20 00:46:24

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-20 00:46:24'' [[nbsp]] That is exactly my point. For these endorsements to be most effective, there needed to be elaboration. One sentence total for 5 candidates is a joke. --["Users/ivancarrillo"]

Winter 2008 ASUCD Election

MattBlair — 2008-02-20 00:25:31

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-20 00:25:31'' [[nbsp]] "In regard to the senatorial candidates, Andrew Bianchi is a standout candidate. He has experience that the senate table should find useful as former chair of the Business and Finance Commission, particularly in a year when ASUCD is facing a large deficit. + + Bianchi's experience on the interfraternity council will add a "teamwork" mentality to the senate table and hopefully stop counterproductive senate discussion before it begins. + + Schwartz, Webb, Blanco, Dietrich and Dayalji will bring eloquence and good ideas to student government," is from this Tuesday's Aggie. For the average student who knows little about ASUCD or the candidates all you can gather about this is that you guys like teamwork. This is a pathetic endorsement. I don't care who they choose to endorse, bur if they are going to make a endorsement they should, you know, delve deeper than 'they'll make a good team' and you know, be journalists. + + --["Users/MattBlair"]

Winter 2008 ASUCD Election

GregWebb — 2008-02-19 22:49:31

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-19 22:49:31'' [[nbsp]] I think the Aggie endorsements make a lot of sense, I do wish they would explain it for the general population. I wouldn't have understand the endorsement of Dietrich had I not have spoken to him on several occasions. I also think it's cool that they endorsed some of Andrew's views, it was a nice touch. And Joseph didn't do the interview because he's on the media board, that was a nice gesture whether you think he had a shot at the endorsement or not. --["Users/GregWebb"]

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ivancarrillo — 2008-02-19 21:12:05

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-19 21:12:05'' [[nbsp]] The Aggie endorsements were a joke. Everyday that passes I am more disappointed with our school newspaper. --["Users/ivancarrillo"]

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MaxMikalonis — 2008-02-19 19:47:40

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JamesSchwab — 2008-02-19 09:06:01

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-19 09:06:01'' [[nbsp]] How lazy was the writer who wrote those endorsements? The Aggie has really gone downhill. They use to explain their endorsements fully, now they seem to be cutting and pasteing language from previous endorements. --["Users/JamesSchwab"]

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GregWebb — 2008-02-19 01:48:32

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GregWebb — 2008-02-18 14:48:51

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- ''2008-02-18 14:48:27'' [[nbsp]] My favorite quotes from the candidates this quarter are "What's AB540?" and "I would ask Paul Harms. Gotta love those. --["Users/GregWebb"]	+ ''2008-02-18 14:48:27'' [[nbsp]] My favorite quotes from the candidates this quarter are "What's AB540?" and "I would ask Paul Harms". Gotta love those. --["Users/GregWebb"]

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GregWebb — 2008-02-18 14:48:27

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-18 14:48:27'' [[nbsp]] My favorite quotes from the candidates this quarter are "What's AB540?" and "I would ask Paul Harms. Gotta love those. --["Users/GregWebb"]

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JamesSchwab — 2008-02-18 11:39:45

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-18 11:39:45'' [[nbsp]] I think Molnar, Shively, Cohen-Cutler, Singh, FUCK, were very effective independent campaigns that ASUCD really needs in every election. Steve couldn't get more than 50 people to vote for one of his candidates and couldn't make enough noise to stir up a real scandal. --["Users/JamesSchwab"]

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GregWebb — 2008-02-17 14:45:16

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-17 14:45:16'' [[nbsp]] We need Steve back so there are more options in our elections, that's what people keep telling me on the campaign trail. And everyone misses Steve. Even LEAD brings him up now and then. --["Users/GregWebb"]

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JoseBleckman — 2008-02-17 14:31:09

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- Without any major scandals within the current LEAD incumbents, there are few negative campaign points for independent candidates or new slates to rally to. This is not to say LEAD does not have its problems, nor imply a lack of fundamental policy cleavages in student government. However, there is so little money available in the past five years for the diverse operations of ASUCD that unless one cuts stuff (which is doable) budget battles are confined to a few line items with a total value under $10,000. This arguably isn't the climate to lead to a vibrant election.	+ Without any major public scandals within the current LEAD incumbents, there are fewer campaign points for independent candidates or new slates to rally support around. This is not to say LEAD does not have its problems, nor imply a lack of fundamental policy cleavages in student government. However, there is so little money available in the past five years for the diverse operations of ASUCD that unless one cuts stuff (which is doable) budget battles are confined to a few line items with a total value under $10,000. This arguably isn't the climate to lead to a vibrant election.

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JamesSchwab — 2008-02-17 11:30:43

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-17 11:30:43'' [[nbsp]] I don't think it says anything about the association. These kind of low-candidate elections tend to happen after large, competitive ones or when there is no major scandal. It's assured that between this election and next Fall something controversial will arise, some scandal will happen and it will spark their interest again in ASUCD. Also, Eddie Lee will be out of the Aggie by next year, so maybe the school newspaper will start covering ASUCD again to arouse student interest. The Aggie didn't even know there was an election going on until a little over a week ago. --["Users/JamesSchwab"]

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EmilyTung — 2008-02-17 10:02:19

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-17 10:02:19'' [[nbsp]] I'm genuinely concerned with this year's election because voters are faced with fewer options. Furthermore, what does this say about our association? I think people are starting to believe that ASUCD has only one "political" viewpoint and without the representation of other opposing parties, ASUCD will be looking at a long road ahead. --["Users/EmilyTung"]

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JabberWokky — 2008-02-16 19:43:00

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- Without any proveable large-scale LEAD fuckups, there is little to organize independent candidates or new slates against. This is not to say LEAD does not have its problems, nor imply a lack of fundamental policy cleavages in student government. However, there is so little money available in the past five years for the diverse operations of ASUCD that unless one cuts stuff (which is doable) budget battles are confined to a few line items with a total value under $10,000. This arguably isn't the climate to lead to a vibrant election.	+ Without any major scandals within the current LEAD incumbents, there are few negative campaign points for independent candidates or new slates to rally to. This is not to say LEAD does not have its problems, nor imply a lack of fundamental policy cleavages in student government. However, there is so little money available in the past five years for the diverse operations of ASUCD that unless one cuts stuff (which is doable) budget battles are confined to a few line items with a total value under $10,000. This arguably isn't the climate to lead to a vibrant election.

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JoseBleckman — 2008-02-16 19:35:36

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- One reason for this is the apparent collapse of the GO leadership. ["GO"], a new slate formed from Focus last year, failed to recruit anyone as a candidate for President and Vice President, which likely speaks to internal divisions. Additionally, GO/Focus had a traditionally Greek base, much of which will go to ["Interfraternity Council"] President Andrew Bianchi, who is running with LEAD. GO who had invested so much in the ["Fall 2007 ASUCD Election" previous election] without any real change in their fortunes, simply did not have the momentum to organize a large-scale campaign for this election.	+ One reason for this is the apparent collapse of the GO leadership. ["GO"], a new slate formed from Focus last year, failed to recruit anyone as a candidate for President and Vice President, which likely speaks to internal divisions. Additionally, GO/Focus had a traditionally Greek base, much of which may go to ["Interfraternity Council"] President Andrew Bianchi, who is running with LEAD. GO who had invested so much in the ["Fall 2007 ASUCD Election" previous election] without any real change in their fortunes, simply did not have the momentum to organize a large-scale campaign for this election.

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JoseBleckman — 2008-02-16 19:34:31

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- Without any large-scale LEAD fuckups, there is little to organize independent candidates or new slates against. This is not to say LEAD does not have its problems, nor imply a lack of fundamental policy priorities in student goverment. However, there is so little money available in the past five years for the diverse operations of ASUCD that budget battles are confined to a few line items with a total value under $10,000. This is certainly not the climate to lead to a vibrant election, although Peake and Nevin's hammock-based platform has certainly brought some flair to the contest.	+ Without any proveable large-scale LEAD fuckups, there is little to organize independent candidates or new slates against. This is not to say LEAD does not have its problems, nor imply a lack of fundamental policy cleavages in student government. However, there is so little money available in the past five years for the diverse operations of ASUCD that unless one cuts stuff (which is doable) budget battles are confined to a few line items with a total value under $10,000. This arguably isn't the climate to lead to a vibrant election.

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MichaelMolnar — 2008-02-16 16:35:00

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	+ ------ + ''2008-02-16 16:35:00'' [[nbsp]] There is only one solution to this lack of candidates, have a random "ignite" wink, wink slate run with the inside help from George Andrews and those DCR guys. haha, jk. Seriously, this is the best opportunity for an independent to run as long as that person has somewhat of a base, a little organization and is willing to chalk and put posters up everyday. I pulled it off 2 years ago in a similiar situation. But Ivan and Molly will win Pres. and at least 4 LEAD candidates will win senate seats like in the Winter 2006, as long as there is only 9 cnadidates running. Anyways, I am glad I am a Naval Officer next friday and not dealing with ASUCD anymore. --["Users/MichaelMolnar"]

Winter 2008 ASUCD Election

BrentLaabs — 2008-02-13 21:31:10

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	+ This election has generated the least amount of interest of any ASUCD election in the past few years (since at least 2000 -- probably longer). One reason for this lack of enthusiasm is the low number of candidates for ASUCD Senate: 9 running for 6 seats. Without a large, organized opposition to ["LEAD"], the incumbent party, most candidates drive to get out the vote is essentially lower. + + One reason for this is the apparent collapse of the GO leadership. ["GO"], a new slate formed from Focus last year, failed to recruit anyone as a candidate for President and Vice President, which likely speaks to internal divisions. Additionally, GO/Focus had a traditionally Greek base, much of which will go to ["Interfraternity Council"] President Andrew Bianchi, who is running with LEAD. GO who had invested so much in the ["Fall 2007 ASUCD Election" previous election] without any real change in their fortunes, simply did not have the momentum to organize a large-scale campaign for this election. + + Without any large-scale LEAD fuckups, there is little to organize independent candidates or new slates against. This is not to say LEAD does not have its problems, nor imply a lack of fundamental policy priorities in student goverment. However, there is so little money available in the past five years for the diverse operations of ASUCD that budget battles are confined to a few line items with a total value under $10,000. This is certainly not the climate to lead to a vibrant election, although Peake and Nevin's hammock-based platform has certainly brought some flair to the contest.

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AndrewBianchi — 2008-02-01 21:31:54

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	+ * Paul, if you wish - I can be that guy. I can be the catalyst for change. I can be the "Gay Ceasar." I'll even authorize a subversive Youtube video expose to be featured on the "Down with Andrew Bianchi" facebook group. All jokes aside, the reality is that things aren't that bad. We had the highest turnout in a long time last quarter. Let's roll with the lack of competition this quarter and see what happens next year. I bet it won't be the case next fall. The opponents to LEAD put all their cards on the table Fall quarter, and did not plan on running a P/VP ticket. - ["Andrew Bianchi"]

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JamesSchwab — 2008-02-01 09:54:30

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	+ * I think there is a bit of a contradiction there. I agree that the Aggie didn't cover any of the election scandals and that there were no major ASUCD scandals or threats during the Fall 2007 election. Furthermore, I agree that there was a lot of drama and unproductive intensity, from what I heard. However, the Fall 2007 election saw the highest voter turnout in a Fall election in a long, long time. The turnout was even higher than the Winter 2007 election which had a fee referendum to "Save Unitrans". I think Andrew was close to the mark in regards to winter '08's low candidate turnout, however I think the "why bother" mentality came from the long hours and hardwork both sides put in. I think potential candidates might have been a bit put off by the amount of hours needed to win...the top two victorious senators in Fall 2007 both broke vote-getting records. Isn't that what people want out of an election? - Candidates and there supporters trying to engage as many students as possible and talking to them about the issues. Of course there is going to be conflict, that's the nature of an election in any country, at any level of government. - ["JamesSchwab"]

Winter 2008 ASUCD Election

PaulAmnuaypayoat — 2008-01-31 23:36:25

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	+ * Ya, I think the coming challenge will be to see if the government can make the ["students"] realize that they are stakeholders in the government. Its almost like we would need another ["Tiqula Bledsoe"] to come about and do alot of bad things as ["ASUCD President"] AND also have something catastrophic occur simultaneously like ["Unitrans"] shutting down or something. Things have to get really bad, and then immediately after, we need a candidate to run on a platform of change (kinda like US Politics today). Only while things are percieved as bad AND costly to the average ["students" student] can we expect to increase participation in both candidacy and voter turnout. - ["Paul Amnuaypayoat"]

Winter 2008 ASUCD Election

AndrewBianchi — 2008-01-31 23:17:51

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	+ ------ + ''2008-01-31 23:17:51'' [[nbsp]] I didn't participate much in last quarter's election process at all, but I think an overwhelming number of people heard about the indiscretions of last quarter's candidates by word of mouth. Certainly most people in the Greek system knew of some of the events, as it functions as one giant rumor mill at times. I think the lack of people interested in running has to do with the lack of integrity a lot of people witnessed last quarter. Most students ask "why bother" when there is so much drama and unproductive intensity. --["Users/AndrewBianchi"]

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PaulAmnuaypayoat — 2008-01-31 18:44:06

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	+ ------ + ''2008-01-31 18:44:06'' [[nbsp]] Given the patterns of the past that I have noticed, I think given the relative lack of attention given to the alleged controversies of this past Fall election this kind of makes sense. The government is really not something a lot of people want to participate in unless there is a perceived wrong done that warrants corrective action, and since most of the general student body did not really know about anything bad happening, they feel there is no need to get involved since the busses are running, the coffee house is still serving, etc. What we need to increase participation is a perceived wrong to occur that is widely recognized immediately (such as the Fall 2004 controversies), and then the public will respond by its increased participation (example being Rob Roy's candidacy in the Winter 2005 elections). --["Users/PaulAmnuaypayoat"]

Winter 2008 ASUCD Election

BrentLaabs — 2008-01-30 23:24:53

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BrentLaabs — 2008-01-30 23:24:13

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	+ * Count again, there are now only 2 + 1 running outside of LEAD. About the same is going on in the Presidential Election. Either the generation after ours is pretty bad at developing leadership, or the Senate has been doing so much pointless arguing and displays of pride that few really want to join that body. --["Users/BrentLaabs"]

Winter 2008 ASUCD Election

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JamesSchwab — 2008-01-27 20:24:50

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	+ ------ + ''2008-01-27 20:24:50'' [[nbsp]] Are there really only 3 GO and 1 indie? I dont think Ive ever seen this few of senate candidates. --["Users/JamesSchwab"]

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AndrewBianchi — 2008-01-23 22:28:54

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BrentLaabs — 2008-01-23 14:55:21

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AndrewBianchi — 2008-01-22 12:13:47

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- - L.E.A.D...The student government slate that makes a difference in this world!!! Helping the poor people around world to afford to pay for 3 meals a day!!!! - - - Does this mean that an ASUCD Senate candidate actually believes that a student government slate helps feed hungry people around the world? This shows that LEAD candidates are out of touch with the mainstream student body. --["Users/EricFriedman"] - * You doubt that LEAD will singlehandedly eradicate world hunger? :) --["Users/JoseBleckman"][[Footnote(Ran for Senate with ["Student Focus"].)]] - ------ - ''2007-12-06 18:52:47'' [[nbsp]] Seriously? Already? Those are two seperate statements. Ramneek has worked with LEAD and various organizations that fight hunger. Therefore she put them both under "interests" on her facebook. --["Users/AndrewPeake"] - I just read her ["Facebook"] profile myself, and while those are 3 separate statements, I can also see how they can be miscontrued as one long sentence. To prevent further misunderstandings, perhaps ["Ramneek Saini" Ramneek] could rewrite that portion using full sentences? Ultimately, it's up to her how she wants to build her profile and it's up to everyone else to form their own interpretations of her profile's content. - ["Paul Amnuaypayoat"] - ------ - ''2007-12-06 19:02:37'' [[nbsp]] Well, I at least one of LEAD's candidates, Ramneek, has organized events around hunger (which was heavily supported by members of a student government slate) and both Andy and Ramneek have volunteered for homeless shelters. Since there are no mass opinion polls of UCD students regarding how they feel about feeding the poor, I'm not sure where you came up with your assertion. - - Let's say the majority of students at UCD said they were apathetic or indifferent towards the issue of hunger. As a campus leader at a University which prides itself on community service, getting students un-apathetic towards hunger would definitely be within the realm of a student government elected official. - - Not that any ASUCD official does similar work to Ghandi, MLK, or Cesar Chavez....but they championed issues that the mainstream did not care about. Some people only go by what they feel the majority of a populace want. Some people champion issues that are less discussed but are very important. Both philosophies can work together. - - Why are you against someone in ASUCD working on the issue of hunger? - --["Users/JamesSchwab"] - ------ - ''2007-12-06 19:30:02'' [[nbsp]] This is stupid. I cant wait for yet another election to be over already. --["Users/EdWins"] - Yeah. And those people wonder why ASUCD isn't relevant to student life. --["Users/BrentLaabs"] - * Cmon Brent. Are'nt you dying to come to the ["Davis Wiki" wiki] next quarter to sht talk against your political enemies during elections? You seemed to get off quite a bit from your conflict with ["Eric Friedman"], as evidenced by your "insightful" input on his talk page. - ["Paul Amnuaypayoat"] - I would appreciate it Paul if you didn't make reference to my sexuality in your argument. It has no place here on the wiki. As a former UC Davis student, you should at least try to uphold the Principles of Community. --["Users/BrentLaabs"] - * ?? What? You are attracted to attacking me and shit talking? Naughty, naughty. You into leather also? --["Users/EricFriedman"] - ------ - ''2007-12-06 20:01:06'' [[nbsp]] Sweet mudsling! Good thing H Seigenfeld edited his favorite quotes before they were transfered to the wiki. He had some choice ones! --["Users/AndrewBianchi"] - I never had any favorite quotes listed, what are you talking about? --["Users/HSeigenfeld"] - ------ - Before we get ourselves entrenched in next quarter's elections, can we at least straighten out the ["Davis Wiki"] entries surrounding the ["Fall 2007 ASUCD Election"] first, please? I really don't think we have all of the necessary information written out yet to properly inform the community of everything that happened. - ["Paul Amnuaypayoat"] - ------ - ''2007-12-06 20:16:42'' [[nbsp]] Andrew: yes, already. I'm so pleased to hear that you have decided to run. As Hillary would say, now the fun begins. =) - - James, I never said that I was against someone in ASUCD working on issues of hunger. But, since you asked, I believe that efforts to "feed the hungry" just function as an enabler to a chosen lifestyle that simply puts a drain on our economy. - - My intention here is to simply point out that Ramneek's comments exhibit a lack of rationality and foresight, which are both essential characteristics an ASUCD Senator must possess. Her assertion that LEAD helps poor people around the world pay for three meals a day is simply not grounded in reality and borders on the delusional, unless your can offer some sort of proof to substantiate this comment. - - This time, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. Ramneek was probably just expressing her zeal for her work as a Hunger and Homelessness intern and enthusiasm for her slate. But for someone running for a position that controls such a large amount of money to make such a comment calls into question her judgment and credibility in my opinion. - --["Users/EricFriedman"] - - - You're asserting that poor people are a drain on the economy and by helping them you are enabling their poverty? And I guess if the major fault you can find with one of LEAD's candidates is that they are really ambitious about making the world a better place, well....you got them there.-["JamesSchwab"] - - * You don't read very well do you. I am referring to homeless people, not poor people. And, the fault I am pointing out is her judgment, or lack thereof. --["Users/EricFriedman"] - * So you're asserting homeless people are a drain on the economy and by helping them you are enabling their homelessness? -["JamesSchwab"] - * Yes. Helping and celebrating their "homelessness" provides them with less incentive to get a job and take care of themselves, since their needs are being met by charity. Is it OK to help someone get back on their feet so that they can one day get a job? Of course. But to celebrate their lifestyle (Homelessness Awareness Day) is misguided. --EF - * Wanting to help unsheltered people points to a lack of judgment? Andrew - * No Andrew. Claiming that LEAD feeds the world by providing them with three meals a day does. --EF - - * Eric, I respect your courage in making non-PC statements. But I also suggest that as a member of a couple different minorities yourself it would be good to show some empathy. According to the U.S. Conference of Mayors, 46% of cities surveyed identified domestic violence as a primary cause of homelessness. According to the Association of Gospel Rescue Missions, out of a Survey of 11,000 men - 32% of them were veterans. And the National Health Care for the Homeless Council estimates that one third of homeless people have a mental illness. On a personal note; I lived my car, partly out of choice, partly out of economic necessity because I received no financial aid my freshman year and had to choose to pay either tuition or rent. At that time in my life not only did I have a job but I was in management and in charge of human resources. Most business managers would not hire a person without a permanent address. Who knows, ironically maybe I wouldn't have even hired myself. Homelessness is not a synonym for laziness. Wealth, on the other hand, is a synonym for luck. As a person that has been elected to serve a diverse group of people, it would be good to try to see things from the other point of view. They teach you to do it in law school, so get a head start. --["Users/RobRoy"] - - * Rob, although it may not seem like it, I do show some empathy on occasion. I have no doubt that these stats are correct, and feel horrible that sometimes, circumstances drive people to the streets. But, my main concern is a "celebration" of the homeless lifestyle that LEAD and CalPirg supports through events like Hunger and Homelessness Day. I think it's safe to say that no one wants that be homeless. I'm sure you didn't want to be homeless when you lived in your car, but you made a decision that worked out for you. And, you obviously have higher aspirations than being homeless and you weren't an economic drain because you managed a business. But, there is a distinction between your case or cases of abused women being forced onto the streets, and cases of homeless people that just don't want to get a job, or want to help themselves and resort to crime and drugs. And, I don't think enabling people in this case is in their best interest. Also, sometimes wealth is synonymous with hard work too, not just luck. --["Users/EricFriedman"] - * What makes you thinking they were "celebrating" homelessness? They were promoting helping people to not be homeless and educating the campus about the issue of homelessness. - ["JamesSchwab"] - * Who said that's what was going on? Who said that charity was the only solution? CALPIRG's campaign DOES NOT focus on charity - like all of our campaigns we're interested in longterm, systemic changes like affordable housing and rehabilitation. Apparently you weren't paying attention much when Homelessness Awareness Day happened, or when the local homeless community came to the senate multiple times to present - it WAS NOT created to celebrate a lifestyle. It was merely to educate students on the problem of homelessness and provide them with different resources and organizations to partcipate in and solve the problem SYSTEMICALLY. Lies, lies, lies, Eric. Do your research before making ridiculous blanket statements. ["Users/DanXie"] - ------ - ''2007-12-06 20:45:44'' [[nbsp]] "Interests: - L.E.A.D...The student government slate that makes a difference in this world!!! Helping the poor people around world to afford to pay for 3 meals a day!!!! Lobbying for social justice!!!!" - - She's the Hunger & Homeless coordinator for CalPIRG and she is also running for Senate. Therefore her interests are LEAD, fighting hunger & homelessness, and lobbying for social justice. She's amazing. --["Users/AndrewBianchi"] - - The operative word is helping. There are some people in LEAD who work to help alleviate hunger and homelessness, but that's not to say LEAD is solving the problem singlehandedly or that this is the only issue LEAD cares about. -JZwald - - * The key point here is that it's a list of three interests in separate sentences. Granted they aren't grammatically correct, but they are three separate ideas. If that is too hard to understand, then perhaps someone's analytical skills need some fine tuning. The three aren't meant to be fused into "LEAD fights homelessness and works for social justice." I mean, I guess EF could be right. I guess her lack of judgment not to make the sentences into three bullet points under the "Interests" section on facebook is representative of a grave character flaw that makes her a poor senate candidate. And if someone believes that the issue in question is the only thing I (or other candidates) care about, then that's an indication of their inability to read my facebook profile or judge my previous involvements in ASUCD, fraternity life, the gay community, or the campus in general. - ["Andrew Bianchi"] - - * The key point Bianchi is that I used my analytical skills to put two and two together. While, you are correct in stating that the interests are listed in separate sentences, the grammatical structure leads me to believe that all three ideas are linked. The first thing she states under activities is LEAD, then, she goes on to describe this slate in multiple sentences. All three sentences accurately decribe LEAD to a tea; fighting world hunger, fighting for social justice. LEAD has sponsored "Hunger and Homelessness" events before (Rosas-Romero's bill) and is running a candidate linked to this cause. So, in my mind there is a relationship between LEAD and activities that support Homelessness. Can you honeslty say that because all three are separate sentences, they are not related? I think your analytical skills need some fine tuning. My point is simple: LEAD is a one issue slate, Ramneek is a one issue candidate. These issues are out of touch with the student body. And, although I never attacked you directly, yet you felt the need to defend yourself, I will say that you are running on a one issue slate, even though you are a multi-issue candidate. You could have easily won as an independent. --["Users/EricFriedman"] - * Eric, yourr asserting that every LEAD candidate, ever, has only cared about and worked on the issue of homelessness? -["JamesSchwab"] - * I think your experiencing some projection issues Eric. Last time I checked, doesn't GO "just want to have fun!"? Seems pretty simple and uniform to me. It's almost as if it's GO's only issue. Take a look at the LEAD wiki page and look at the ratio of non-homelessness centered accomplishments compared to the "Homelessness Awareness Day" bill. I could have won as an independent. I decided to run with LEAD in opposition of you and what GO has come to represent through your work, among other reasons. Just because your primary work on Senate concerned the Jewish community alone, doesn't mean all other senators discriminate in their outreach and only concentrate on their base. After I win, I plan on working with as many communities as I can get around to, and I know Ramneek has the social networking skills and the passion to listen to more than just one side. I'm going to take a page out of her book at this point and refrain from caring about the nonsense you seem to drum up. --["Andrew Bianchi"] - * Actually ["Andrew Bianchi" Andrew], I think that sense of different communities is one very big weak point of ["LEAD"], and many other similarly thinking people. The idea that different "communities" are defined by race/ethnicity. The goal of ["ASUCD"] is to advance the one ["UC Davis"] community, not to advance all of the different races/ethnicities separately but equally, or even unequally in some cases. If anything, ["LEAD"] should redefine how it classifies people not by using race/ethnicity, but instead by things such as economic class, which are more controllable by people and which also have a bigger impact on how people are treated in today's society. Rich ["African-Americans"] do not live significantly different lives than rich ["European-Americans"]. ["LEAD"] should get people focused on everyone's similarities and unify all different races/ethnicities as one big community rather than focus on the differences. I really hope that is the direction ["LEAD"] and the rest of ["ASUCD"] is going, because I remember years ago, when ["LEAD"] had to have 1 of every possible racial group because every race need representation in ["ASUCD"], and it seemed as if they thought that people of 1 race could not properly represent the interests of a different race. - ["Paul Amnuaypayoat"] - * This is just out of pure interest, but what do you make of the existence of the CCC, the LGBTRC, the WRRC, and the various departments focused on racial or ethnic studies? I agree that ASUCD should be about creating a common community. However, the fact that aspects of the Greek system are fractured into separate microcosms based on ethnicity is evidence to me that even in small communities like UC Davis, or the UC Davis Greek system, people want to find and define their identities in a communal way. The advancement of smaller communities within the general community deals with social issues including socio-economic hierarchies. I believe that most active ASUCD officials who have witnessed my involvement can attest to my desire to unite people regardless of slate affiliation and personal identities, and that is what I hope to achieve while on Senate if elected this Winter. It's impossible to "ignore" identities because as much as they divide us, they provide people with a sense of community enabling them to retain cultural traditions, values, and mutual support in a shallower pond. I may not agree with some of GO's platform issues, but I also don't agree with some of the things LEAD senators past, present, and future hope to accomplish. For me, slating is an election process - not a declaration of a strict set of values. I believe in the Principles of Community. Anyway, I want to hear your thoughts. Thanks Paul. --["Andrew Bianchi"] - - * Hmm, I only served the Jewish community?? Please refer to my page for my list of accomplishments. Please look at the ratio of things I did to just serve the Jewish community and the things I did that affects all students on campus, like the outlets in the 24 hr room, the cameras in the Tercero DC, and extending the hours of Griffin Lounge. How do these accomplishments only serve the Jewish community on campus? No, GO is not a "one issue" slate. Please refer to our fall candidates platform and also our [http://www.goucdavis.com website] to see our mission, our values, and what we stand for. Alex Frick successfully outreached the Science and Engineering community, Jesse Rosales successfully outreached to the agricultural community on campus, and JD successfully outreached to the Greek community on campus. Pretty diverse, no? In contrast to the traditional constituency LEAD brings in, underrepresented communities on campus, and the occasional Greek. In opposition to me and my work? What are you referring to? My efforts to run good people for senate?? Good luck Bianchi. Take it from someone who can win. --["Users/EricFriedman"] - ------ - {["Davepoole" Dave] was tired, and bored, so he decided to add commentary to this debate as it really is pretty pointless anyway} - ''2007-12-06 21:53:40'' [[nbsp]] As you progress in your student government career Jack, you will eventually find out that it is the only thing they care about. --["Users/EricFriedman"] {Who are you addressing this to? and honestly you can make such a better point to say that they care more about the government than the students, that may be biting rather than meaningless} - * Better that than Senators like you. The only thing you care about is power and control. --["Users/BrentLaabs"] {What about his life? I think he cares about that too, feel the inner troll{ - * Another attempt to smear my name and to detract from my laundry list of accomplishments and all the good I did as an ASUCD Senator. May the force be with you Mr. Laabs. Beware the dark side. --["Users/EricFriedman"] {Holier than thou, seriously, is it really a metric contest of how much good you did Mister Friedman} - * Eric, from my experience at Davis, you sufficiently smear your own name. Brent adds icing to the cake if anything. I sincerely hope Winter's GO candidates distance themselves from your petty ways. There are some good people in that organization, you, unfortunately overshadow them. Do everyone a favor a pipe down for a while. --["Users/MattBlair"] {Biting, but if they choose to associate with him, they would be fools not worth the offices anyway then right?} - * Hey Matt. Since you are a freshmen and your "experience" at UC Davis amounts to only one quarter, and you have been taken in by the LEAD propaganda machine, I'll go easy on you. But, honestly, you have nothing substantive to add to this, unless of course you can give me a specific instance when "I smear my own name." Are you referring to my beliefs and principles that are"unpopular" with most of the ["LEAD"] kids? Or are you just pretending that you know what your talking about, like your mentor? --["Users/EricFriedman"] {Ooh vicious words, now, he has had experience regardless of how expansive it is, so don't go denying that, he can also have the experience of hearing things from the past too, Eric. Now, if LEAD is the majority, and your beliefs differ from theirs, you are bound then to differing from the majority, really this point is unrelated to his comment but you can point out that because your opinion is dissenting that it isn't necessarily wrong, however to the point he was making is that you make these other people look bad, a perfect moment here you can say that this new generation, as successors in the slate are shining examples of the Go ideals, whatever those are, and really that would be a great move to end this entire thing, but you really cannot seem to get out of a flaming bag of shit} - * Oh ya, the propaganda sure got me. God forbid that I made an independent decision and came to a conclusion that's similar to others. You wanted a specific instance though. How about the time you walked out of a Senate session because you and your decisions were being criticized. Senator Turhal received just as much, if not more, criticism as you did that night. He acted professionally and remained for the entirety of the meeting. Being a leader on campus entails that you take responsibility. You either deflect problems and criticisms onto others or simply ignore them. There are also the many times where you have prolonged or began flame wars on the Davis wiki; you're not alone on that one though, many are guilty for flame wars. I've just found yours to more noticeable/prominent in the articles I've read that could be deemed controversial. Seriously Eric, pointing out lack of clarity of the Interests section in Ramneek's Facebook profile as something that is worthy of debate? That's just being petty and trying unsettle things. But I digress and am curious as who my mentor is. I'd love to know if they're my secrety santa too. --["Users/MattBlair"] - {Spelling errors aside, I firstly don't believe there is really such a propaganda, but truth aside, would you ever know? perhaps you are really that biased despite your best efforts not to be. Good examples though, however you are assuming his reasons for leaving senate that time, it would be better to quote or paraphrase the statements made in his leaving that reveal his motive, oh that would be biting, it may also be good to relate him to SteveO, also what are you thinking, being a campus leader hardly entails responsibility. - I was present for the entirety of that senate meeting, him and GO as a whole took quite the tongue-lashing. I'm quite familiar with the context of his leaving. I believe he couldn't take the criticism, Eric believes he was targeted in an unjust matter, I doubt we'll ever agree on that. As for relating to SteveO I've heard of the person and that's all, so I can't make the comparison. -MB } - Matt Blair....(huuuuuuh)...I. am. your. father. --["Daddy Darth"] {Cute.. so are we bringing more Steve into the debate?} - - * I walked out of that Senate meeting to protest the unwarranted and discriminatory political attack. In hindsight, I probably should have stayed, but I was just so discussed. After I was criticized for pouring my heart out and apologizing, I knew that the mob didn't want me to apologize. They wanted to smear my name, Cem's name, and ["GO" GO's] name. There was no point for me to stay. The mob appeared to want blood, I gave them blood, but then, it wasn't good enough. That meeting was a complete waste of time. Do you know what got accomplished during that Senate meeting? Nothing. No bills were considered. And let me remind you, that is why the Senate exists, to carry out the business of the association. The attack was baseless also. They said it offended them. All the black people I talked to after that meeting said the flyer wasn't offensive. Don't you understand what LEAD did? They took something and completely blew it out of proportion and turned it into a political attack by touching on an emotional issue that affects a large part of their constituency. Looks familiar huh? As I said before Matt, you don't have much experience here, so you can't say much. But, if you want, I'll be here till 5. --["Users/EricFriedman"] - {ooh, you made a mistake, and then another one, and yet another, but it doesn't matter because it was all pointless anyway, because it wasn't related to the initial purpose. Anyway, this entire point made was irrelevant because of this sweeping generalization I will make without investigation into the cause, therefore the point was entirely irrelevant and only supposed so by the other guys when representing their constituents, now I am not doing anything important for some time, so feel free to continue discussing all these irrelevant matters about a pointless issue.} - If I was being discussed, I would certainly want to be present. --["Users/NickSchmalenberger"] {Really, sometimes it may be akward.. like when the girls are talking about you with each other, eh, that would really be weird maybe, at least for them.. } - ------ - ''2007-12-06 23:07:05'' [[nbsp]] LEAD fought for hungry commissioners during budget hearings. But on a serious note, hunger is a serious issue that exists on a small enough scale for students to make a positive change. --["Users/GregWebb"] - ------
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- - ------ - ''2007-12-08 15:54:33'' [[nbsp]] "This shows that LEAD candidates are out of touch with the mainstream student body. --["Users/EricFriedman"]" I'm sorry, I missed the part where any of us can speak for the mainstream student body. What does "mainstream student body" even mean? - - Talking to some current and former ASUCD officials, you'd think that UC Davis undergraduates only care about getting free tube socks at sporting events and having a lounge open for a few extra hours on campus. I believe that a significant portion of the student body, possibly the majority, cares about social justice issues. It isn't on the top of every student's list, but the concern is still there. Let me know if you think I'm wrong. - - --["Users/PaulHarms"] - - - - I usually never comment on wiki, because I do not like to get involved in this internet, gossip, rumor paradox that is called daviswiki, however, after Ms. Xie posted that note about Friedman's comments about the GO-UNIT. I have to say that I am very disappointed. Friedman said that all the Black people he spoke to was not offended, however, he did speak with me and I am pretty sure I am Black and I was offended. Also, he claims that it was LEADs propaganda that blew the image of proportion, however, many of the concerned students who brought the issue forward was not part of LEAD. In addition, somebody who is elected to represent the student body, should never walk out on the student body when problems arise. That shows lack of professionalism, rudeness, insincerity and is blatantly disrespectful. As a public official you are held accountable for your actions, and running from them are not going to make them go away. Now I regret even sending that e-mail out to the African-American listserv, because clearly not all of GO feels a apology is warranted. I sent the e-mail out on the basis that Turhal told me that he wants to publicly apologize for any misconceptions about the image and if anybody was offended by it, therefore, I decided to offer my assistance so the apology can reach a portion of the population that was offended. And at the end of the apology was a list of names and Friedmans name was one of them, now if Friedman beleived that the image was not offensive, he would have never attached his name to the apology letter, therefore, Friedman is being very hypocritical and dishonest. So my question is for Friedman, is the image offensive or not, and if it is not offensive than why attach your name to apology letter that says and I quote "As the executive board of the GO slate, we would like to deeply apologize to all individuals offended by the �GO Unit� image that was posted on facebook during the 2007 fall election campaign." Clearly this letter acknowledges that people were offended. Like I said before I usually do not comment on wiki, but this is one time that I felt I had a obligation to speak - upon. - -Albert Parnell - ------ - ''2007-12-08 16:33:42'' [[nbsp]] Albert, - - I don't think I'm being hypocritical. I'm sorry you feel that way. The letter we sent out was directed at the students who came to the senate meeting and anyone else offended. We wanted our letter sent out over the aau listserv to respond to other letters sent out over that listserv regarding the G Unit image. And, I'm sorry to say but what I said in my comments earlier was absolutely the truth. Many people in the black community I spoke with, as well as people on other listservs that receive the initial message about the G Unit flyer, really did not think it was offensive and kind of thought it was a joke. But, obviously I didn't speak with everyone in the black community, and I'm sure some people did find it offensive. That's why we sent out the letter, to apologize to those who we offended. In the letter, we repeatedly say "The GO slate apologizes to all individuals offended by the image." And I stand by that 100%. So, to answer your question, yes, I recognize that it was offensive for some, and it wasn't offensive for others. - - But, don't you see the political undertones associated with that whole fiasco? I'm not accusing you of being a part of that at all, but when I hear that members of the LEAD slate as well as the people that brought up the image had a meeting in Wellman before the senate meeting, this just confirms my intuitions. Listen Albert, I respect you and I have always thought that you add a great deal to the senate. In hindsight, I shouldn't have walked out. I let my emotions get the best of me. But, what you need to understand is that I did everything I could to rectify the situation at the meeting, apologizing and talking to many people who brought up the issue during breaks, and I was dismissed as being insincere. That was a shot that hurt me a great deal (as I'm sure the issue that hurt you so much about the flyer) and I knew that I wouldn't accomplish anything by staying. I did all I could, but it wasn't good enough. I feel bad that this whole incident has really unnecessarily marred my reputation, and I'm not too happy about it. That's where the above comments are coming from. - - Just to be clear, I didn't walk out on the student body. It's not so simple. I walked out in protest to something I though was unjust. But, after thinking about, I recognized that the image could have offended people, and that's why I attached my name to the letter, even though a lot of people I spoke thought it was bogus. --["Users/EricFriedman"] - ------ - ''2007-12-08 17:40:35'' [[nbsp]] Ok, there has been a heck of a lot of talk about ["Eric Friedman"] walking out due to some image was or was not offensive. Is there a way we in the ["Davis Wiki"] community can see it in order to judge for ourselves? Maybe also make some sense of what exactly happened? Can someone upload a JPG file of it please (assuming the image doesn't break any ["Davis Wiki"] rules on images)? --["Users/PaulAmnuaypayoat"] - * It doesn't violate our rules, but I don't really think we need to be spreading that kind of racism on the wiki. --["Users/BrentLaabs"] - * Could you, or anyone for that matter, email me the image then, if it was that bad? Or send me a link to it? I am now very curious, and I am sure there are at least a few other wikizens who are also curious. Don't worry, I am an internet veteran and have seen a lot; I am sure this image won't piss me off that bad if at all. - ["Paul Amnuaypayoat"] - ------ - ''2007-12-08 18:25:05'' [[nbsp]] The image is simple. It is a picture of G-Unit, but all of the faces have been replaced by people from the Go Slate. The poses remain the same, only the faces have been changed. What actually happened is called whiteface (you may remember Chappelle's crack addict impersonation), not blackface like some have characterized it. Whiteface is not racist towards African-Americans, in fact it was used primarily by African-Americans much in the same way, white people used blackface. Personally I am sorry that this offended the black community, but fail to understand how it did so. --["Users/HSeigenfeld"] - - * From wikipedia: "Whiteface, or paleface, is sometimes used to describe non-white actors performing white parts (for example, in the film White Chicks), although it more commonly describes the clown or mime traditions of white makeup." The picture definitely was not whiteface. - - I'm also waiting for people involved in ASUCD (including Senate candidates) to realize that "I'm sorry you're offended by my actions" is not a real apology. -PH - ------ - ''2007-12-08 18:47:06'' [[nbsp]] Well it was not blackface, and you are saying it was not whiteface, so what was it, and how was it offensive. furthermore, how is that not an apology? --["Users/HSeigenfeld"] - - I am not an expert in these type of things, but when a white individual portrays themselves as an african american (or an african american stereotype) it can be a type of blackface. Even if you don't consider that term accurate, it is dumb and offensive. We have some great african american studies courses at UCD, take one and try to understand a different point of view. Andrew Peake - ------ - ''2007-12-08 20:17:39'' [[nbsp]] Friedman: I have to agree with Paul. That was the most weaksauce apology that I've seen in ASUCD. Telling someone "I'm sorry you got offended" doesn't really qualify as "pouring my heart out and apologizing". Maybe you should have looked to your left to see the way Molly Sundstrom apologized the same night. Or had you already left before that, Mr. Friedman? There's one thing I don't really understand: every other senator I've met has become a better person because of their time in ASUCD. You seem to be the only one that got more bitter, more selfish, more racist, more vicious, and more driven by emotions. Instead of looking around you and seeing the good that the campus leaders do or at least try to do, your vision became clouded with partisanship and hatred. Seriously, just stop it, and life will get better. --["Users/BrentLaabs"] - ------ - ''2007-12-08 21:17:30'' [[nbsp]] Mr. Laabs, are you seriously accusing me of being driven by emotions and being vicious? You of all people? Just look at your edit history! And, are you seriously going to tell me that LEAD kids are not driven by emotions and viciousness? Just what do you call the political attack at the Senate meeting? I can go on and on giving you other examples. Come on now. I would assume that you and Paul think that apology was insincere. Well there's nothing I can do about that. I can only speak the truth, and if people don't believe me, then so be it. If you don't think it was a real apology, then this just proves my point, my best efforts cannot satisfy those that want blood (the real vicious people). I don't apologize for the purpose of putting on a show; I do it from the bottom of my heart, and if that's not good enough, then I don't want to be part of an organization that thinks that way. You're right, I have become far more jaded as my Senate term progressed, particularly in this election cycle. The true colors of the other side shown through, and it is very disheartening. If you claim that I'm the only Senator who feels this way, then you don't know many Senators. - - What's you're vision Brent? You offer that criticism to me, so let me throw it back at you. What's yours, "shaking things up?" Causing chaos? You sir should do some soul searching and then see if you have any ammunition left to throw mud at me. --["Users/EricFriedman"] - ------ - ''2007-12-08 21:29:42'' [[nbsp]] This is seriously stupid. I cant wait for yet another election to be over already. --["Users/EdWins"] - ------ - ''2007-12-08 23:44:07'' [[nbsp]] You're right Eric. Your apology was sincere. It just was very limited in scope. - - You're also right about the LEAD kids. They are motivated by emotions: love, hope, and faith. And that's probably true of the GO kids as well -- certainly Molly, Alex, and Mara have their hearts in the right place. No, it's really just you that has evil in his heart. - - As it turns out, yes, I like chaos a lot. Chaos is good for society, especially in a culture bogged down in rules and red tape. Still, I know I'm not a very good person. In fact, I screw things up on pretty much a daily basis. It doesn't mean that I don't love everyone in my community. It would be good for you if you started to do the same. --["Users/BrentLaabs"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-08 23:44:07'' [[nbsp]] You're right Eric. Your apology was sincere. It just was very limited in scope. + + You're also right about the LEAD kids. They are motivated by emotions: love, hope, and faith. And that's probably true of the GO kids as well -- certainly Molly, Alex, and Mara have their hearts in the right place. No, it's really just you that has evil in his heart. + + As it turns out, yes, I like chaos a lot. Chaos is good for society, especially in a culture bogged down in rules and red tape. Still, I know I'm not a very good person. In fact, I screw things up on pretty much a daily basis. It doesn't mean that I don't love everyone in my community. It would be good for you if you started to do the same. --["Users/BrentLaabs"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-08 21:29:42'' [[nbsp]] This is seriously stupid. I cant wait for yet another election to be over already. --["Users/EdWins"]

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- * Who said that's what was going on? Who said that charity was the only solution? CALPIRG's campaign DOES NOT focus on charity - like all of our campaigns we're interested in longterm, systemic changes like affordable housing and rehabilitation. Apparently you weren't paying attention much when Homelessness Awareness Day happened, or when the local homeless community came to the senate multiple times to present - it WAS NOT created to celebrate a lifestyle. It was merely to educate students on the problem of homelessness and provide them with different resources and organizations to partcipate in and solve the problem SYSTEMICALLY. Lies, lies, lies, Eric. Do your research before making ridiculous blanket statements. ["Users/DanXie"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-08 21:17:30'' [[nbsp]] Mr. Laabs, are you seriously accusing me of being driven by emotions and being vicious? You of all people? Just look at your edit history! And, are you seriously going to tell me that LEAD kids are not driven by emotions and viciousness? Just what do you call the political attack at the Senate meeting? I can go on and on giving you other examples. Come on now. I would assume that you and Paul think that apology was insincere. Well there's nothing I can do about that. I can only speak the truth, and if people don't believe me, then so be it. If you don't think it was a real apology, then this just proves my point, my best efforts cannot satisfy those that want blood (the real vicious people). I don't apologize for the purpose of putting on a show; I do it from the bottom of my heart, and if that's not good enough, then I don't want to be part of an organization that thinks that way. You're right, I have become far more jaded as my Senate term progressed, particularly in this election cycle. The true colors of the other side shown through, and it is very disheartening. If you claim that I'm the only Senator who feels this way, then you don't know many Senators. + + What's you're vision Brent? You offer that criticism to me, so let me throw it back at you. What's yours, "shaking things up?" Causing chaos? You sir should do some soul searching and then see if you have any ammunition left to throw mud at me. --["Users/EricFriedman"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-08 20:17:39'' [[nbsp]] Friedman: I have to agree with Paul. That was the most weaksauce apology that I've seen in ASUCD. Telling someone "I'm sorry you got offended" doesn't really qualify as "pouring my heart out and apologizing". Maybe you should have looked to your left to see the way Molly Sundstrom apologized the same night. Or had you already left before that, Mr. Friedman? There's one thing I don't really understand: every other senator I've met has become a better person because of their time in ASUCD. You seem to be the only one that got more bitter, more selfish, more racist, more vicious, and more driven by emotions. Instead of looking around you and seeing the good that the campus leaders do or at least try to do, your vision became clouded with partisanship and hatred. Seriously, just stop it, and life will get better. --["Users/BrentLaabs"]

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	+ + I am not an expert in these type of things, but when a white individual portrays themselves as an african american (or an african american stereotype) it can be a type of blackface. Even if you don't consider that term accurate, it is dumb and offensive. We have some great african american studies courses at UCD, take one and try to understand a different point of view. Andrew Peake

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-08 18:47:06'' [[nbsp]] Well it was not blackface, and you are saying it was not whiteface, so what was it, and how was it offensive. furthermore, how is that not an apology? --["Users/HSeigenfeld"]

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	+ * From wikipedia: "Whiteface, or paleface, is sometimes used to describe non-white actors performing white parts (for example, in the film White Chicks), although it more commonly describes the clown or mime traditions of white makeup." The picture definitely was not whiteface. + + I'm also waiting for people involved in ASUCD (including Senate candidates) to realize that "I'm sorry you're offended by my actions" is not a real apology. -PH

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-08 18:25:05'' [[nbsp]] The image is simple. It is a picture of G-Unit, but all of the faces have been replaced by people from the Go Slate. The poses remain the same, only the faces have been changed. What actually happened is called whiteface (you may remember Chappelle's crack addict impersonation), not blackface like some have characterized it. Whiteface is not racist towards African-Americans, in fact it was used primarily by African-Americans much in the same way, white people used blackface. Personally I am sorry that this offended the black community, but fail to understand how it did so. --["Users/HSeigenfeld"]

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PaulAmnuaypayoat — 2007-12-08 17:54:02

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	+ * Could you, or anyone for that matter, email me the image then, if it was that bad? Or send me a link to it? I am now very curious, and I am sure there are at least a few other wikizens who are also curious. Don't worry, I am an internet veteran and have seen a lot; I am sure this image won't piss me off that bad if at all. - ["Paul Amnuaypayoat"]

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BrentLaabs — 2007-12-08 17:46:39

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	+ * It doesn't violate our rules, but I don't really think we need to be spreading that kind of racism on the wiki. --["Users/BrentLaabs"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-08 17:40:35'' [[nbsp]] Ok, there has been a heck of a lot of talk about ["Eric Friedman"] walking out due to some image was or was not offensive. Is there a way we in the ["Davis Wiki"] community can see it in order to judge for ourselves? Maybe also make some sense of what exactly happened? Can someone upload a JPG file of it please (assuming the image doesn't break any ["Davis Wiki"] rules on images)? --["Users/PaulAmnuaypayoat"]

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-08 16:33:42'' [[nbsp]] Albert, + + I don't think I'm being hypocritical. I'm sorry you feel that way. The letter we sent out was directed at the students who came to the senate meeting and anyone else offended. We wanted our letter sent out over the aau listserv to respond to other letters sent out over that listserv regarding the G Unit image. And, I'm sorry to say but what I said in my comments earlier was absolutely the truth. Many people in the black community I spoke with, as well as people on other listservs that receive the initial message about the G Unit flyer, really did not think it was offensive and kind of thought it was a joke. But, obviously I didn't speak with everyone in the black community, and I'm sure some people did find it offensive. That's why we sent out the letter, to apologize to those who we offended. In the letter, we repeatedly say "The GO slate apologizes to all individuals offended by the image." And I stand by that 100%. So, to answer your question, yes, I recognize that it was offensive for some, and it wasn't offensive for others. + + But, don't you see the political undertones associated with that whole fiasco? I'm not accusing you of being a part of that at all, but when I hear that members of the LEAD slate as well as the people that brought up the image had a meeting in Wellman before the senate meeting, this just confirms my intuitions. Listen Albert, I respect you and I have always thought that you add a great deal to the senate. In hindsight, I shouldn't have walked out. I let my emotions get the best of me. But, what you need to understand is that I did everything I could to rectify the situation at the meeting, apologizing and talking to many people who brought up the issue during breaks, and I was dismissed as being insincere. That was a shot that hurt me a great deal (as I'm sure the issue that hurt you so much about the flyer) and I knew that I wouldn't accomplish anything by staying. I did all I could, but it wasn't good enough. I feel bad that this whole incident has really unnecessarily marred my reputation, and I'm not too happy about it. That's where the above comments are coming from. + + Just to be clear, I didn't walk out on the student body. It's not so simple. I walked out in protest to something I though was unjust. But, after thinking about, I recognized that the image could have offended people, and that's why I attached my name to the letter, even though a lot of people I spoke thought it was bogus. --["Users/EricFriedman"]

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- I usually never comment on wiki, because I do not like to get involved in this internet, gossip, rumor paradox that is called daviswiki, however, after Ms. Xie posted that note about Friedman's comments about the GO-UNIT. I have to say that I am very disappointed. Friedman said that all the Black people he spoke to was not offended, however, he did speak with me and I am pretty sure I am Black and I was offended. Also, he claims that it was LEADs propaganda that blew the image of proportion, however, many of the concerned students who brought the issue forward was not part of LEAD. In addition, somebody who is elected to represent the student body, should never walk out on the student body when problems arise. That shows lack of professionalism, rudeness, insincerity and is blatantly disrespectful. As a public official you are held accountable for your actions, and running from them are not going to make them go away. Now I regret even sending that e-mail out to the African-American listserv, because clearly not all of GO feels a apology is warranted. I sent the e-mail out on the basis that Turhal told me that he wants to publicly apologize for any misconceptions about the image and if anybody was offended by it, therefore, I decided to offer my assistance so the apology can reach a portion of the population that was offended. And at the end of the apology was a list of names and Friedmans name was one of them, now if Friedman beleived that the image was not offensive, he would have never attached his name to the apology letter, therefore, Friedman is being very hypocritical and dishonest. So my question is for Friedman, is the image offensive or not, and if it is not offensive than why attach your name to apology letter that says and I quote "As the executive board of the GO slate, we would like to deeply apologize to all individuals offended by the �GO Unit� image that was posted on facebook during the 2007 fall election campaign." Clearly this letter acknowledges that people were offended. Like I said before I usually do not comment on wiki, but this is one time that I felt I had a obligation to speak upon.	+ I usually never comment on wiki, because I do not like to get involved in this internet, gossip, rumor paradox that is called daviswiki, however, after Ms. Xie posted that note about Friedman's comments about the GO-UNIT. I have to say that I am very disappointed. Friedman said that all the Black people he spoke to was not offended, however, he did speak with me and I am pretty sure I am Black and I was offended. Also, he claims that it was LEADs propaganda that blew the image of proportion, however, many of the concerned students who brought the issue forward was not part of LEAD. In addition, somebody who is elected to represent the student body, should never walk out on the student body when problems arise. That shows lack of professionalism, rudeness, insincerity and is blatantly disrespectful. As a public official you are held accountable for your actions, and running from them are not going to make them go away. Now I regret even sending that e-mail out to the African-American listserv, because clearly not all of GO feels a apology is warranted. I sent the e-mail out on the basis that Turhal told me that he wants to publicly apologize for any misconceptions about the image and if anybody was offended by it, therefore, I decided to offer my assistance so the apology can reach a portion of the population that was offended. And at the end of the apology was a list of names and Friedmans name was one of them, now if Friedman beleived that the image was not offensive, he would have never attached his name to the apology letter, therefore, Friedman is being very hypocritical and dishonest. So my question is for Friedman, is the image offensive or not, and if it is not offensive than why attach your name to apology letter that says and I quote "As the executive board of the GO slate, we would like to deeply apologize to all individuals offended by the �GO Unit� image that was posted on facebook during the 2007 fall election campaign." Clearly this letter acknowledges that people were offended. Like I said before I usually do not comment on wiki, but this is one time that I felt I had a obligation to speak + upon. + -Albert Parnell

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	+ + + + I usually never comment on wiki, because I do not like to get involved in this internet, gossip, rumor paradox that is called daviswiki, however, after Ms. Xie posted that note about Friedman's comments about the GO-UNIT. I have to say that I am very disappointed. Friedman said that all the Black people he spoke to was not offended, however, he did speak with me and I am pretty sure I am Black and I was offended. Also, he claims that it was LEADs propaganda that blew the image of proportion, however, many of the concerned students who brought the issue forward was not part of LEAD. In addition, somebody who is elected to represent the student body, should never walk out on the student body when problems arise. That shows lack of professionalism, rudeness, insincerity and is blatantly disrespectful. As a public official you are held accountable for your actions, and running from them are not going to make them go away. Now I regret even sending that e-mail out to the African-American listserv, because clearly not all of GO feels a apology is warranted. I sent the e-mail out on the basis that Turhal told me that he wants to publicly apologize for any misconceptions about the image and if anybody was offended by it, therefore, I decided to offer my assistance so the apology can reach a portion of the population that was offended. And at the end of the apology was a list of names and Friedmans name was one of them, now if Friedman beleived that the image was not offensive, he would have never attached his name to the apology letter, therefore, Friedman is being very hypocritical and dishonest. So my question is for Friedman, is the image offensive or not, and if it is not offensive than why attach your name to apology letter that says and I quote "As the executive board of the GO slate, we would like to deeply apologize to all individuals offended by the �GO Unit� image that was posted on facebook during the 2007 fall election campaign." Clearly this letter acknowledges that people were offended. Like I said before I usually do not comment on wiki, but this is one time that I felt I had a obligation to speak upon.

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	+ ------ + ''2007-12-08 15:54:33'' [[nbsp]] "This shows that LEAD candidates are out of touch with the mainstream student body. --["Users/EricFriedman"]" I'm sorry, I missed the part where any of us can speak for the mainstream student body. What does "mainstream student body" even mean? + + Talking to some current and former ASUCD officials, you'd think that UC Davis undergraduates only care about getting free tube socks at sporting events and having a lounge open for a few extra hours on campus. I believe that a significant portion of the student body, possibly the majority, cares about social justice issues. It isn't on the top of every student's list, but the concern is still there. Let me know if you think I'm wrong. + + --["Users/PaulHarms"]

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	+ ''2007-12-06 18:36:16'' [[nbsp]] A direct quote from one of the LEAD candidate's facebook profile: + + + L.E.A.D...The student government slate that makes a difference in this world!!! Helping the poor people around world to afford to pay for 3 meals a day!!!! + + + Does this mean that an ASUCD Senate candidate actually believes that a student government slate helps feed hungry people around the world? This shows that LEAD candidates are out of touch with the mainstream student body. --["Users/EricFriedman"] + * You doubt that LEAD will singlehandedly eradicate world hunger? :) --["Users/JoseBleckman"][[Footnote(Ran for Senate with ["Student Focus"].)]] + ------ + ''2007-12-06 18:52:47'' [[nbsp]] Seriously? Already? Those are two seperate statements. Ramneek has worked with LEAD and various organizations that fight hunger. Therefore she put them both under "interests" on her facebook. --["Users/AndrewPeake"] + I just read her ["Facebook"] profile myself, and while those are 3 separate statements, I can also see how they can be miscontrued as one long sentence. To prevent further misunderstandings, perhaps ["Ramneek Saini" Ramneek] could rewrite that portion using full sentences? Ultimately, it's up to her how she wants to build her profile and it's up to everyone else to form their own interpretations of her profile's content. - ["Paul Amnuaypayoat"] + ------ + ''2007-12-06 19:02:37'' [[nbsp]] Well, I at least one of LEAD's candidates, Ramneek, has organized events around hunger (which was heavily supported by members of a student government slate) and both Andy and Ramneek have volunteered for homeless shelters. Since there are no mass opinion polls of UCD students regarding how they feel about feeding the poor, I'm not sure where you came up with your assertion. + + Let's say the majority of students at UCD said they were apathetic or indifferent towards the issue of hunger. As a campus leader at a University which prides itself on community service, getting students un-apathetic towards hunger would definitely be within the realm of a student government elected official. + + Not that any ASUCD official does similar work to Ghandi, MLK, or Cesar Chavez....but they championed issues that the mainstream did not care about. Some people only go by what they feel the majority of a populace want. Some people champion issues that are less discussed but are very important. Both philosophies can work together. + + Why are you against someone in ASUCD working on the issue of hunger? + --["Users/JamesSchwab"] + ------ + ''2007-12-06 19:30:02'' [[nbsp]] This is stupid. I cant wait for yet another election to be over already. --["Users/EdWins"] + Yeah. And those people wonder why ASUCD isn't relevant to student life. --["Users/BrentLaabs"] + * Cmon Brent. Are'nt you dying to come to the ["Davis Wiki" wiki] next quarter to sht talk against your political enemies during elections? You seemed to get off quite a bit from your conflict with ["Eric Friedman"], as evidenced by your "insightful" input on his talk page. - ["Paul Amnuaypayoat"] + I would appreciate it Paul if you didn't make reference to my sexuality in your argument. It has no place here on the wiki. As a former UC Davis student, you should at least try to uphold the Principles of Community. --["Users/BrentLaabs"] + * ?? What? You are attracted to attacking me and shit talking? Naughty, naughty. You into leather also? --["Users/EricFriedman"] + ------ + ''2007-12-06 20:01:06'' [[nbsp]] Sweet mudsling! Good thing H Seigenfeld edited his favorite quotes before they were transfered to the wiki. He had some choice ones! --["Users/AndrewBianchi"] + I never had any favorite quotes listed, what are you talking about? --["Users/HSeigenfeld"] + ------ + Before we get ourselves entrenched in next quarter's elections, can we at least straighten out the ["Davis Wiki"] entries surrounding the ["Fall 2007 ASUCD Election"] first, please? I really don't think we have all of the necessary information written out yet to properly inform the community of everything that happened. - ["Paul Amnuaypayoat"] + ------ + ''2007-12-06 20:16:42'' [[nbsp]] Andrew: yes, already. I'm so pleased to hear that you have decided to run. As Hillary would say, now the fun begins. =) + + James, I never said that I was against someone in ASUCD working on issues of hunger. But, since you asked, I believe that efforts to "feed the hungry" just function as an enabler to a chosen lifestyle that simply puts a drain on our economy. + + My intention here is to simply point out that Ramneek's comments exhibit a lack of rationality and foresight, which are both essential characteristics an ASUCD Senator must possess. Her assertion that LEAD helps poor people around the world pay for three meals a day is simply not grounded in reality and borders on the delusional, unless your can offer some sort of proof to substantiate this comment. + + This time, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. Ramneek was probably just expressing her zeal for her work as a Hunger and Homelessness intern and enthusiasm for her slate. But for someone running for a position that controls such a large amount of money to make such a comment calls into question her judgment and credibility in my opinion. + --["Users/EricFriedman"] + + + You're asserting that poor people are a drain on the economy and by helping them you are enabling their poverty? And I guess if the major fault you can find with one of LEAD's candidates is that they are really ambitious about making the world a better place, well....you got them there.-["JamesSchwab"] + + * You don't read very well do you. I am referring to homeless people, not poor people. And, the fault I am pointing out is her judgment, or lack thereof. --["Users/EricFriedman"] + * So you're asserting homeless people are a drain on the economy and by helping them you are enabling their homelessness? -["JamesSchwab"] + * Yes. Helping and celebrating their "homelessness" provides them with less incentive to get a job and take care of themselves, since their needs are being met by charity. Is it OK to help someone get back on their feet so that they can one day get a job? Of course. But to celebrate their lifestyle (Homelessness Awareness Day) is misguided. --EF + * Who said that's what was going on? Who said that charity was the only solution? CALPIRG's campaign DOES NOT focus on charity - like all of our campaigns we're interested in longterm, systemic changes like affordable housing and rehabilitation. Apparently you weren't paying attention much when Homelessness Awareness Day happened, or when the local homeless community came to the senate multiple times to present - it WAS NOT created to celebrate a lifestyle. It was merely to educate students on the problem of homelessness and provide them with different resources and organizations to partcipate in and solve the problem SYSTEMICALLY. Lies, lies, lies, Eric. Do your research before making ridiculous blanket statements. ["Users/DanXie"] + * Wanting to help unsheltered people points to a lack of judgment? Andrew + * No Andrew. Claiming that LEAD feeds the world by providing them with three meals a day does. --EF + + * Eric, I respect your courage in making non-PC statements. But I also suggest that as a member of a couple different minorities yourself it would be good to show some empathy. According to the U.S. Conference of Mayors, 46% of cities surveyed identified domestic violence as a primary cause of homelessness. According to the Association of Gospel Rescue Missions, out of a Survey of 11,000 men - 32% of them were veterans. And the National Health Care for the Homeless Council estimates that one third of homeless people have a mental illness. On a personal note; I lived my car, partly out of choice, partly out of economic necessity because I received no financial aid my freshman year and had to choose to pay either tuition or rent. At that time in my life not only did I have a job but I was in management and in charge of human resources. Most business managers would not hire a person without a permanent address. Who knows, ironically maybe I wouldn't have even hired myself. Homelessness is not a synonym for laziness. Wealth, on the other hand, is a synonym for luck. As a person that has been elected to serve a diverse group of people, it would be good to try to see things from the other point of view. They teach you to do it in law school, so get a head start. --["Users/RobRoy"] + + * Rob, although it may not seem like it, I do show some empathy on occasion. I have no doubt that these stats are correct, and feel horrible that sometimes, circumstances drive people to the streets. But, my main concern is a "celebration" of the homeless lifestyle that LEAD and CalPirg supports through events like Hunger and Homelessness Day. I think it's safe to say that no one wants that be homeless. I'm sure you didn't want to be homeless when you lived in your car, but you made a decision that worked out for you. And, you obviously have higher aspirations than being homeless and you weren't an economic drain because you managed a business. But, there is a distinction between your case or cases of abused women being forced onto the streets, and cases of homeless people that just don't want to get a job, or want to help themselves and resort to crime and drugs. And, I don't think enabling people in this case is in their best interest. Also, sometimes wealth is synonymous with hard work too, not just luck. --["Users/EricFriedman"] + * What makes you thinking they were "celebrating" homelessness? They were promoting helping people to not be homeless and educating the campus about the issue of homelessness. - ["JamesSchwab"] + * Who said that's what was going on? Who said that charity was the only solution? CALPIRG's campaign DOES NOT focus on charity - like all of our campaigns we're interested in longterm, systemic changes like affordable housing and rehabilitation. Apparently you weren't paying attention much when Homelessness Awareness Day happened, or when the local homeless community came to the senate multiple times to present - it WAS NOT created to celebrate a lifestyle. It was merely to educate students on the problem of homelessness and provide them with different resources and organizations to partcipate in and solve the problem SYSTEMICALLY. Lies, lies, lies, Eric. Do your research before making ridiculous blanket statements. ["Users/DanXie"] + ------ + ''2007-12-06 20:45:44'' [[nbsp]] "Interests: + L.E.A.D...The student government slate that makes a difference in this world!!! Helping the poor people around world to afford to pay for 3 meals a day!!!! Lobbying for social justice!!!!" + + She's the Hunger & Homeless coordinator for CalPIRG and she is also running for Senate. Therefore her interests are LEAD, fighting hunger & homelessness, and lobbying for social justice. She's amazing. --["Users/AndrewBianchi"] + + The operative word is helping. There are some people in LEAD who work to help alleviate hunger and homelessness, but that's not to say LEAD is solving the problem singlehandedly or that this is the only issue LEAD cares about. -JZwald + + * The key point here is that it's a list of three interests in separate sentences. Granted they aren't grammatically correct, but they are three separate ideas. If that is too hard to understand, then perhaps someone's analytical skills need some fine tuning. The three aren't meant to be fused into "LEAD fights homelessness and works for social justice." I mean, I guess EF could be right. I guess her lack of judgment not to make the sentences into three bullet points under the "Interests" section on facebook is representative of a grave character flaw that makes her a poor senate candidate. And if someone believes that the issue in question is the only thing I (or other candidates) care about, then that's an indication of their inability to read my facebook profile or judge my previous involvements in ASUCD, fraternity life, the gay community, or the campus in general. - ["Andrew Bianchi"] + + * The key point Bianchi is that I used my analytical skills to put two and two together. While, you are correct in stating that the interests are listed in separate sentences, the grammatical structure leads me to believe that all three ideas are linked. The first thing she states under activities is LEAD, then, she goes on to describe this slate in multiple sentences. All three sentences accurately decribe LEAD to a tea; fighting world hunger, fighting for social justice. LEAD has sponsored "Hunger and Homelessness" events before (Rosas-Romero's bill) and is running a candidate linked to this cause. So, in my mind there is a relationship between LEAD and activities that support Homelessness. Can you honeslty say that because all three are separate sentences, they are not related? I think your analytical skills need some fine tuning. My point is simple: LEAD is a one issue slate, Ramneek is a one issue candidate. These issues are out of touch with the student body. And, although I never attacked you directly, yet you felt the need to defend yourself, I will say that you are running on a one issue slate, even though you are a multi-issue candidate. You could have easily won as an independent. --["Users/EricFriedman"] + * Eric, yourr asserting that every LEAD candidate, ever, has only cared about and worked on the issue of homelessness? -["JamesSchwab"] + * I think your experiencing some projection issues Eric. Last time I checked, doesn't GO "just want to have fun!"? Seems pretty simple and uniform to me. It's almost as if it's GO's only issue. Take a look at the LEAD wiki page and look at the ratio of non-homelessness centered accomplishments compared to the "Homelessness Awareness Day" bill. I could have won as an independent. I decided to run with LEAD in opposition of you and what GO has come to represent through your work, among other reasons. Just because your primary work on Senate concerned the Jewish community alone, doesn't mean all other senators discriminate in their outreach and only concentrate on their base. After I win, I plan on working with as many communities as I can get around to, and I know Ramneek has the social networking skills and the passion to listen to more than just one side. I'm going to take a page out of her book at this point and refrain from caring about the nonsense you seem to drum up. --["Andrew Bianchi"] + * Actually ["Andrew Bianchi" Andrew], I think that sense of different communities is one very big weak point of ["LEAD"], and many other similarly thinking people. The idea that different "communities" are defined by race/ethnicity. The goal of ["ASUCD"] is to advance the one ["UC Davis"] community, not to advance all of the different races/ethnicities separately but equally, or even unequally in some cases. If anything, ["LEAD"] should redefine how it classifies people not by using race/ethnicity, but instead by things such as economic class, which are more controllable by people and which also have a bigger impact on how people are treated in today's society. Rich ["African-Americans"] do not live significantly different lives than rich ["European-Americans"]. ["LEAD"] should get people focused on everyone's similarities and unify all different races/ethnicities as one big community rather than focus on the differences. I really hope that is the direction ["LEAD"] and the rest of ["ASUCD"] is going, because I remember years ago, when ["LEAD"] had to have 1 of every possible racial group because every race need representation in ["ASUCD"], and it seemed as if they thought that people of 1 race could not properly represent the interests of a different race. - ["Paul Amnuaypayoat"] + * This is just out of pure interest, but what do you make of the existence of the CCC, the LGBTRC, the WRRC, and the various departments focused on racial or ethnic studies? I agree that ASUCD should be about creating a common community. However, the fact that aspects of the Greek system are fractured into separate microcosms based on ethnicity is evidence to me that even in small communities like UC Davis, or the UC Davis Greek system, people want to find and define their identities in a communal way. The advancement of smaller communities within the general community deals with social issues including socio-economic hierarchies. I believe that most active ASUCD officials who have witnessed my involvement can attest to my desire to unite people regardless of slate affiliation and personal identities, and that is what I hope to achieve while on Senate if elected this Winter. It's impossible to "ignore" identities because as much as they divide us, they provide people with a sense of community enabling them to retain cultural traditions, values, and mutual support in a shallower pond. I may not agree with some of GO's platform issues, but I also don't agree with some of the things LEAD senators past, present, and future hope to accomplish. For me, slating is an election process - not a declaration of a strict set of values. I believe in the Principles of Community. Anyway, I want to hear your thoughts. Thanks Paul. --["Andrew Bianchi"] + + * Hmm, I only served the Jewish community?? Please refer to my page for my list of accomplishments. Please look at the ratio of things I did to just serve the Jewish community and the things I did that affects all students on campus, like the outlets in the 24 hr room, the cameras in the Tercero DC, and extending the hours of Griffin Lounge. How do these accomplishments only serve the Jewish community on campus? No, GO is not a "one issue" slate. Please refer to our fall candidates platform and also our [http://www.goucdavis.com website] to see our mission, our values, and what we stand for. Alex Frick successfully outreached the Science and Engineering community, Jesse Rosales successfully outreached to the agricultural community on campus, and JD successfully outreached to the Greek community on campus. Pretty diverse, no? In contrast to the traditional constituency LEAD brings in, underrepresented communities on campus, and the occasional Greek. In opposition to me and my work? What are you referring to? My efforts to run good people for senate?? Good luck Bianchi. Take it from someone who can win. --["Users/EricFriedman"] + ------ + {["Davepoole" Dave] was tired, and bored, so he decided to add commentary to this debate as it really is pretty pointless anyway} + ''2007-12-06 21:53:40'' [[nbsp]] As you progress in your student government career Jack, you will eventually find out that it is the only thing they care about. --["Users/EricFriedman"] {Who are you addressing this to? and honestly you can make such a better point to say that they care more about the government than the students, that may be biting rather than meaningless} + * Better that than Senators like you. The only thing you care about is power and control. --["Users/BrentLaabs"] {What about his life? I think he cares about that too, feel the inner troll{ + * Another attempt to smear my name and to detract from my laundry list of accomplishments and all the good I did as an ASUCD Senator. May the force be with you Mr. Laabs. Beware the dark side. --["Users/EricFriedman"] {Holier than thou, seriously, is it really a metric contest of how much good you did Mister Friedman} + * Eric, from my experience at Davis, you sufficiently smear your own name. Brent adds icing to the cake if anything. I sincerely hope Winter's GO candidates distance themselves from your petty ways. There are some good people in that organization, you, unfortunately overshadow them. Do everyone a favor a pipe down for a while. --["Users/MattBlair"] {Biting, but if they choose to associate with him, they would be fools not worth the offices anyway then right?} + * Hey Matt. Since you are a freshmen and your "experience" at UC Davis amounts to only one quarter, and you have been taken in by the LEAD propaganda machine, I'll go easy on you. But, honestly, you have nothing substantive to add to this, unless of course you can give me a specific instance when "I smear my own name." Are you referring to my beliefs and principles that are"unpopular" with most of the ["LEAD"] kids? Or are you just pretending that you know what your talking about, like your mentor? --["Users/EricFriedman"] {Ooh vicious words, now, he has had experience regardless of how expansive it is, so don't go denying that, he can also have the experience of hearing things from the past too, Eric. Now, if LEAD is the majority, and your beliefs differ from theirs, you are bound then to differing from the majority, really this point is unrelated to his comment but you can point out that because your opinion is dissenting that it isn't necessarily wrong, however to the point he was making is that you make these other people look bad, a perfect moment here you can say that this new generation, as successors in the slate are shining examples of the Go ideals, whatever those are, and really that would be a great move to end this entire thing, but you really cannot seem to get out of a flaming bag of shit} + * Oh ya, the propaganda sure got me. God forbid that I made an independent decision and came to a conclusion that's similar to others. You wanted a specific instance though. How about the time you walked out of a Senate session because you and your decisions were being criticized. Senator Turhal received just as much, if not more, criticism as you did that night. He acted professionally and remained for the entirety of the meeting. Being a leader on campus entails that you take responsibility. You either deflect problems and criticisms onto others or simply ignore them. There are also the many times where you have prolonged or began flame wars on the Davis wiki; you're not alone on that one though, many are guilty for flame wars. I've just found yours to more noticeable/prominent in the articles I've read that could be deemed controversial. Seriously Eric, pointing out lack of clarity of the Interests section in Ramneek's Facebook profile as something that is worthy of debate? That's just being petty and trying unsettle things. But I digress and am curious as who my mentor is. I'd love to know if they're my secrety santa too. --["Users/MattBlair"] + {Spelling errors aside, I firstly don't believe there is really such a propaganda, but truth aside, would you ever know? perhaps you are really that biased despite your best efforts not to be. Good examples though, however you are assuming his reasons for leaving senate that time, it would be better to quote or paraphrase the statements made in his leaving that reveal his motive, oh that would be biting, it may also be good to relate him to SteveO, also what are you thinking, being a campus leader hardly entails responsibility. + I was present for the entirety of that senate meeting, him and GO as a whole took quite the tongue-lashing. I'm quite familiar with the context of his leaving. I believe he couldn't take the criticism, Eric believes he was targeted in an unjust matter, I doubt we'll ever agree on that. As for relating to SteveO I've heard of the person and that's all, so I can't make the comparison. -MB } + Matt Blair....(huuuuuuh)...I. am. your. father. --["Daddy Darth"] {Cute.. so are we bringing more Steve into the debate?} + + * I walked out of that Senate meeting to protest the unwarranted and discriminatory political attack. In hindsight, I probably should have stayed, but I was just so discussed. After I was criticized for pouring my heart out and apologizing, I knew that the mob didn't want me to apologize. They wanted to smear my name, Cem's name, and ["GO" GO's] name. There was no point for me to stay. The mob appeared to want blood, I gave them blood, but then, it wasn't good enough. That meeting was a complete waste of time. Do you know what got accomplished during that Senate meeting? Nothing. No bills were considered. And let me remind you, that is why the Senate exists, to carry out the business of the association. The attack was baseless also. They said it offended them. All the black people I talked to after that meeting said the flyer wasn't offensive. Don't you understand what LEAD did? They took something and completely blew it out of proportion and turned it into a political attack by touching on an emotional issue that affects a large part of their constituency. Looks familiar huh? As I said before Matt, you don't have much experience here, so you can't say much. But, if you want, I'll be here till 5. --["Users/EricFriedman"] + {ooh, you made a mistake, and then another one, and yet another, but it doesn't matter because it was all pointless anyway, because it wasn't related to the initial purpose. Anyway, this entire point made was irrelevant because of this sweeping generalization I will make without investigation into the cause, therefore the point was entirely irrelevant and only supposed so by the other guys when representing their constituents, now I am not doing anything important for some time, so feel free to continue discussing all these irrelevant matters about a pointless issue.} + If I was being discussed, I would certainly want to be present. --["Users/NickSchmalenberger"] {Really, sometimes it may be akward.. like when the girls are talking about you with each other, eh, that would really be weird maybe, at least for them.. } + ------ + ''2007-12-06 23:07:05'' [[nbsp]] LEAD fought for hungry commissioners during budget hearings. But on a serious note, hunger is a serious issue that exists on a small enough scale for students to make a positive change. --["Users/GregWebb"] + ------ + ------